Triangle Borea BR03 Review | Pretty with Sound To Match | Plus BRC1 Center Channel
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I replaced ELac UB5's with the BR03's. Huge upgrade in sound. The UB5's sounded dead and restricted even with a 150 wpc in 4 ohms amp. The BR03's took me to a new level. The sound is exciting and I can listen to them all day with no fatigue. I found the bass to be quite strong down to 50 hz
I still use my UB5's. They really sound better at louder volumes. The BR03 sound good at a wider range of volumes.
My experience with UB5's were, they needed alot of power, and very compressed sound. I didn't hate them, but i didn't love them either. I now own these BRO3's, and Epos Epic 2s. They are both very nice sounding speakers!
@@scottdavis0801 I think you described my frustration with the UB5's much better than I did.
@@joentell I can get the ub5 slim second hand for a good price , but I am listening more low to medium volume, I have read they sound dull with some amps. I think I will get the comete EZ or Klipsch rp 600m 2
A very well rounded review. The speakers are amazing at their price point. Actually they are as good as speakers 3x's their price. They are forward and slightly bright, but paired with a Dynakit ST70 they really sing. Pretty wide soundstage with plenty of air between instruments. They do vocals, especially females (biologic not trans, sorry) quite realistically .I swapped out a pair of MBL 323's that cost a whole lot more years ago, and don't miss them. A very satisfying speaker all around!
Joe, love your scientific and objective approach for reviewing speakers. Definitely find your reviews the most interesting.
I bought a pair of Denton 85th based upon your review and have been so happy with that! Every time you review new speakers, I have butterflies in my stomach if the top of the speaker leader board would change, lol! Anyway, always thanks, Joe!
Lol. I'm glad you like them. It's funny about watching the speaker leaderboard.
Hi,what do you think about the uppermids/highs of the dentons.Some say that they are too "crispy" or a little "bright" compared with the dentons 80th.I have diamonds 225's and looking for a second sweet sounding speaker for another room.Bass i hear that it is very very deep/strong. In final are they sweeet sounding?or something else.Which amp they are playing with?
@@andreassouth1523 Hi, I don't think they're too crispy or bright... Their uppermids/highs are still on the warm side than B&W or KEF kind of speakers.
Compared to Denton 80ths(I also had 80ths), they have slightly more tweeter OUTPUT, so they actually sound brighter than 80ths..
But they're more balanced in tonality to my taste cause they have more extended bass.. So I sold 80ths and kept 85ths and I'm happy with them.
@@taeheeyoon6020 It is enough for me that they are warmer than kef b & w. I also like big bass.Which amp do you use with them?For a big room about 7mX4.80 are they capable enough?Some say that they can fill a big room. How big is your room.
@@andreassouth1523 I run them with a Denon PMA-2500NE integrated amp in about 3.5m X 5.5m living room. They have strong and big bass so they can cover your room I think..
Nice Job J-N-T and yeah alot of speakers have that 16khz dip ,
You said to mention another speaker
The Jbl studio 530s have that dip also but thier amazing for the price point layed back horn loaded compression driver and the woofer has exellent bass I use to like my KEF Q-100s better but once i put me pitbull the Yamaha AS1100 on them both the J.B.L. took off ! The J.B.L. like powahaaa ! 😆
Thanks again Joe hope everything going good for ya ! Those Triangles do look Retro !
I'm just here for the speaker leader board! My favorite part!
Bruh 3's Just grabbed a pair - thanks for the terrific review!
Nice classic looks on these. Gonna chill with some silog. 😂👌
My man! I'm would some also. 👊😎
Joe: I really like the graphs. One suggestion. Pick a speaker, any speaker that is flat and use that response as a base and use it to compare all new speakers to be reviewed. Say use the SVS Prime as a base, the public will kind of know how they sound and then as new speakers are measured they would serve as a comparison. Stereo review, Hirsch used to have a reference speaker to compare in the reviews.
Decent idea. I just use the graph to explain how they sound in my room. Some would argue that flat isn't reference. I think it is. I hear what you're saying and I'll consider it
@@joentell I know, but everything else being "almost equal" you can say, compared to our references, this has more detail this or that and then check the graph. Anyway cheers and looking forward to the summit.
I see what you're saying.
Thanks for adding a few words about the center channel as well. Comments below related to some comparisons to the Elac UB5, anxious to hear your take on the UB52's especially where they place on your leaderboard - don't envy you on this !
At this price point very good value
I like them, I own reference speakers 4 times the price and they aren’t 4 times better
Just saying
3 weeks in... They sound/look really good. I have seen a couple of EQpresets, with that dip in the 16k area. Think it's popular to do that. Can you try a speaker that don't have that and check that with EQ settings and tell us about the difference?
I have the BRO3 and I pair them with my Carver M500t power amp, 250wpc. Sweet sounds!
3:18 At this very point Joe turns into reviewer Andrew Robinson! LMAO!
That would be scary. I like being me.
I like white speakers, and to me the white ones look cheap. Wharfies look so much better in white! Cheers for the review!
Agree. I think the white doesn't look as good on these. The Wharfedales look great in white!
The center looks easier fix for a good room correction software. The sound signature and the demos I've heard, these sound really nice.
These are incredible
0:09 - 0:19 Love that editing joe. Nice work.
I believe the bar on the tweeter bar is a dispersion bar.
yep. it is acting as a sort of waveguide
joe, review the kef q350...that one would be awesome
If you like bass you might need to try out the jbl studio 580 or 590. The bass from my 580 is like nothing I ever heard. It's a little slow but very low and soothing. Powerful but not really in your face or boomy. Interesting speaker. I wouldn't be surprised to see them above the Klipsch and I would think above the q acoustics.
I need to try some more JBL/Harman stuff
This is subpar to the elac reference? I'm debating with myself if I should get this or the elac reference lol. Other reviewers say the bass on these are too much if placed near the wall so now I'm confused haha. I thought I was done =))
Anything placed near a wall increases bass response. It depends how many walls also. So a corner increases bass the most.
I think maybe the ELAC Debut Reference is technically better. Better internal bracing for sure....it's heavy!
Hi Joe N Tell! Please fix this: you copied the wrong image for the Q 3030i speaker on the Speaker Leaderboard (Best (Passive) Bookshelf column). Btw your Speaker Leaderboard is amazing!
Thanks. I fixed it. Something must've happened with the link. They choose the image automatically.
have you tested HECO aurora 200 or 300 or the Bentley acoustic R-line ? or can you review Magnat Signature 503 3-Way
Interesting that you would rate the Bro3 above Klipsch. I was all set to consider buying the Klipsch until I saw reviews for the Triangle. Should I get the Klipsch instead?
I do? It looks like the website is starting to trip up having so many speakers. I don't remember rating the Triangle higher.
Hey Joe, I have 2 pairs of speakers connected to my Basement Studio created during COVID. 1 pair of Elac Debut 6.2s and a 1 pair of Fluances Signature Series HiFi Bookshelf speakers connected to a Denon DRA -800H Receiver. those seem to work and sound together very well..... However, now tat I have gotten bit by the AudioPhile Bug , I'm tempted to replace the Fluances with these BRO3s.... This equipment equipment was all purchased this year. IYO , the BRO3s would work well with the Elacs....?
great video. thanks mate!
MISSION QX-1 review in the future?
Hey Joe, i want to buy a new 5.1.4 HT. How do BR08 compete with other well known bands like Polk s60, or Kef q950 or Klipsh 8000? I think of buying BR08, BR 02(as surrounds will they be enough right?) and BRC1. What do you think? Thanks
Which would you recommend: these or Klipsch The Sixes?
It the Borea 3 sound very similar to the Wharfedale 11.2s I have a decent idea of their SQ in relation to and what I need/want. BTW, I sent the 11.2s back. Thanks for the review.
I remember the Wharfedale Diamond 11.2's being a bit brighter on the top end
Hey Joe why didn't you put these on your speaker leaderboard? I'm more interested in the br08 even though I don't need anything else. The br08 are like half price. From the way reviewers describe the triangle, it sounds like bros are similar to jbl studio 580.
They are on there. I think the Speaker Leaderboard is starting to act up because I have so many speakers on there now. Check it on a computer.
3020i or br02?
Hey how do you see the borea in a 5.1 HT setup ?I wanted to do a pair of br09 for frone, the brc1 for center and a pair of br03 for the rear channel. Will them be good ?Or better go with a movie-oriented brand like Polk or Klipsch ?ty
The dip around 900 to 1500 might be concerning. I think my Denon or Yamaha could take it out though. Question is how well do they soundstage/image, produce voices? These from what I hear them over my Klipsch reminds me of b&w but the way they're described sounds more like my jbl studio 580.
They image well. I think it's accurate to say, they're voiced similarly to other B&W bookshelf speakers I've heard.
I absolutely love watching all these reviews. Sound is subjective, and it's very cool to see that you are not WOWd by these like so many RUclipsrs, including Z Reviews. Oddly enough, it looks like he does not care for ELAC at all, and loves the tone of these over Elac's by a long shot. I assume you like the opposite?
I listen and I measure also. I believe a frequency response graph will tell you a good amount about the tonality of a speaker. It won't tell you everything, but it tells you a lot. That means the measurements help keep me accountable for what I say. It doesn't determine what I say, but if they're consistently at odds, there's an issue. It's ok if someone doesn't prefer a sound signature of a speaker as long as they're consistent. ELAC speakers have changed their sound signature over the years. If it's about not liking a particular brand, I would want to be more up front with that. There are probably brands I don't like based on how they do business, but I would say it straight away.
@@joentell Hi Joe, Had a great conversation with Andrew, and thanks to your videos, and hard work you have tremendously helped me in my speaker upgrade from my JBL S38s. I had a chance to hear the Debut 2.0 and got a sense of that speaker. Before giving you my thoughts, I am trying to find your graphs to compare the Debut 2.0 vs the newer Reference vs the newer UNi5 so I can get a better idea of what I like. Are you able to share an overlay so I can compare the speakers? It's between those 3 and the Triangle (if possible, could you throw that int too)?
I think you can find some pretty reliable graphs of the Debit 2.0 online. I think I might only have a graph of the floor standers. I'm a bit busy right now with The Hi-Fi Summit
@@joentell Totally forgot about the Hi-Fi Summit. Have fun!!
Z likes the BR02’s not the BR03’s.
Hello :) do you think that triangle BR03 are comparable to Wharfedale Denton 85th in sound signature ?
Thank you ! :-)
No, not really. They both have distinct sound signatures. The BR03 sound is going more for quick....light...dynamic and the Denton 85th is more about warmth and sounding big. Kind of opposites. The new Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 is more similar to the BR03 while still retaining the Wharfedale smoothness.
@@joentell Thank you VERY much for responding :-)
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Uhhhhh, why do these cost $100/pair in that Amazon link!? Is that really legitimate?
I think it's a typo, but I would try to get them if I didn't already have some decent speakers.
@@joentell Thanks, Joe!
And they're gone!
@@JacobFrey did they cancel your order?
I wanted to get the bro3s but according to Erin's audio channel The mid-range isn't very good. So I'm not sure now
I think there are better speakers at the price. Check out my speaker leaderboard for some ideas. speakerleaderboard.com
@@joentell thanks for your response! I'm debating between the Wharfedale 12.2 and the Kef q150. Can you please do a video on Kef Q150?
@@Matt369oi I will one day. Not in the near future though
These look nice, but with regards to a better looking speaker in the $500 range, I would pick the Wharfedale Denton 80th Anniversary which goes for $499. Those have real wood veneer finishes, not vinyl wrapped like these.
I do agree that Wharfedale using real veneer is pretty awesome at this price range.
Any chance you had a samsung bluray player that decided to protest within the past few days?
Would you say that these offer the same sound signature as the rp600m minus the added upper treble brightness of the rp600m? If not, what would you recommend ?
Similar treble although it doesn't project the way it does with the horn. Also Klipsch has deeper bass.
Just in time!!!
I'm really curious about these versus the wharfedale 11.2
How do the Triangle BR03 compare to the Polk LSiM703?
What's with the black and white?
Messed up on my settings on my b-camera and the colors were impossible to match. It was more distracting than black and white. I spent hours trying to match them and gave up.
Yeah...covering up a mistake I made in the camera settings
@@joentell LOL!!
I have seen so many reviewers hating on these
Was I hating? I think I was fair in my assessment. Anything in particular that you don't agree with?
@@joentell no i meant in general
@@jeremymerry7967 I haven't noticed. When I reviewed these, all the other reviewers we're raving about them.
ah i see i must have been looking at smaller reviewers @@joentell
I hope that all of the reviewers of the speakers let us listen some songs with these speakers because what matters more is how is their sound. This would have been helpful before buying any set. Let the speakers talk!
Wow those speakers are indeed sexy! They have thetas and comete lines but this is quite a value.
What about some Dali speakers?, like Spektor or Zensor or any other line-up.
I've been asking Dali forever. Now they can come and find me.
How these compares to klipsh rp600m and elac debut reference
Watch the video. I place them on the speaker leaderboard.
Aesthetics rule!
about as important as the speakers in a television.
How come on your link they say its $100.00?
I don't know. Probably a typo, but I would buy that right away if I were someone wanting these! 1 left in-stock!
Hi. I wonder if this is available here in UK. I'm in London E1 area...
They are available in the uk, I've seen them online just search it up.
France nearby so it would make sense.
Wow these rates below ub5. I trust you Joe. I'm still chugging along my Klipsch 280f. But have lately found my jbl studio 580 to be a pleasant easy to listen to speaker. The jbl atm have replaced my ub5 and my infinity beta 50. But they're all a bit different.
It's also just my opinion. Someone else might put things another way. It also depends on the room, although I try to take that into account.
Triangle borea br 03vs Dali oberon 3with marantz pm 6006, please? Thank you.
Never had the chance to review Dali
Did you decide on Triangle or Dali? I'm trying to decide too!
@@dalestorie3726 I decided on the Dali ob 3, more suitable with the Marantz 6006. It looks better built than the Triangle, in my opinion. Triangle may also have a sharper sound, according to some, but I didn't listen to them.
@Joe N Tell Could you comment on the question of importance of the speaker frequency response in situation where Denon Audyssey XT32 is used? I own older Triangle Color speakers, which look nice in the living room, but have way too strong high frequencies when in Direct mode. I am considering getting the Borea speakers to "solve" this problem, but the question is: if I am using Audyssey, which "fixes" high frequencies in the current speakers, does it make sense to change speakers and get presumably the same final result with DSP on?
DSP can do a lot to tame harsh treble. I'm a proponent of using DSP, but I don't think Audyssey Auto-EQ does a great job. If you have an AVR that can use MultEQ-X ($200), I offer remote calibration services (not cheap) where I manually calibrate the system based on your speakers in your specific room.
@@joentell Do you have a video that describes this calibration service/method? How do you perform calibration remotely?
@@kotolows I have courses I'm selling
@@joentell Can you point me to further information? Before I invest in the new 200 USD windows app plus your course, I would like to more deeply understand the benefits I could potentially get above the mobile app.
@@kotolows I did a Q&A with Jeff Clark at Audyssey about MultEQ-X ruclips.net/video/27bP2a8dIqA/видео.html
Flat speakers are overrated. No one would actually want a flat speaker I don't think. You want one that can produce evenly but flat sound is not good sound.
Perhaps, but double-blind research from Olive and Toole from Harman suggest otherwise. People prefer a speaker with a flat anechoic frequency response, but it also has to behave off-axis. This translates to a better in-room response because the reflections are also more similar to the original source signal. If flat doesn't sound good, that would imply the source signal isn't good. It's typically the room that screws things up. So the debate is more about how to voice a speaker so it sounds good to most people in most rooms. Some people don't agree with Olive and Toole and they believe their method of designing a speaker is superior. I'm all for it. I want to try it all.
To me they don’t look like they’re made very well
Really? What about it specifically?
@@joentell He's probably saying the front is too crowded. Two front firing ports and a guard for the tweeter. I personally love the way it looks too.
Looks often referred to as WAF. Wife Acceptance Factor.
Hey BR03, it's going very bad right now... please carry on with the Triangle stuff, speak about me a bit. I'm bit sick with the way u play with my woofs, see what I mean ?
Are you crazy ?
Love demoing hhese triangle speakers to this song ruclips.net/video/LsAiCs66l40/видео.html
Summary of your reviews:
Blah blah ... more bass...higher. Blah blah...not as much bass...lower...
I respect the consistency tho. Haha
There it is. Now you can start your own channel with everything I've taught you.