How Honda Have Fixed The NT1100 Tourer For 2025: 9 Things To Know!
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Any UK rider whos been around the block a few decades knows that 100hp is plenty, and a stomping midrange is where it's at for blasting uk roads.
Agree on that mate. Have borrowed so many revvy press bikes where you barely ever get to use their full potential.
100hp is more than the majority of riders can truly handle and master. Its enough for almost every need, unless you wanna track your bike.
Anything beyond 100hp is chest thumping.
Problem with this bike is it looks like an oversized scooter.
Come on Honda, release a proper sports tourer since you have none since the discontinuation of the VFR1200
Im not asking for much. I want a new VFR 800 and a new Blackbird.
True
It is indeed a big X-Adv
indeed!
So agree,I have had it with chains and sprockets!
I ride an Africa Twin but, at 72 years old, well . . . you get the drift. From my point of view, the only way Honda can fix the NT is to sell it in North America. It’s the bike I’ve been wanting to buy since its release. Pity.
PS - While I appreciate the dribble down technology from the Africa Twin, I’m also convinced the NT is an aftermarket magnet. Like the Africa Twin, it calls for aftermarket exhaust, better and heated seats, windscreens and other farkles.
just get a maxi scooter. We all know deep inside that scooters are fun as hell
So we still don't get the bike in the States?? Oh well, they'd probably only give us the flat black one anyway.
Still looks like a scooter
Give the NT a shaftdrive and we talk again
Impossible, the engine is not made for shaft drive use, it is the africa twin engine, a shaft drive require engine already designed with it in mind.
And add 15Kg and another 2-3 grand. Just buy a GS or Tiger 1200 instead 😂
I wouldn’t bother unless it’s shaft drive. Good bye Honda, hello Yamaha Tenere 1200. I like less maintenance and expense. Well over 80% of your total maintenance, is the chain alone. Honda just decided to cheap out.
What about the 700 v twin, that was a chain and shaft drive on two different models. Surely you just need a transfer box? @fs5866
I have to say that a good comparison for the NT1100 would be with the Kawasaki Versys 1000 as it looks like they are both trying to be on the touring side of sport touring, forgoing any offroad prowess. Makes sense for my riding style and I think just about anyone who really wants a larger displacement bike. I think the similar styling and purpose between these two would make a good comparison, and the difference between the 1100cc parallel twin and the 1000cc (now 1100cc) inline four would shed a lot of light on what makes the perfect modern sport tourer.
Nice summary Rob and the new bike looks great, ticking lots of boxes that should've been ticked before (screen adjustment, IMU, pannier size, headlights) and some neat additional extras like the electonic suspension and sleeker aesthetic update. Keeping the price the same is a good move by Honda too. Shaft drive it doesn't need - chain adjust is simple and quick while I'd much rather have the weight saving and power efficiency from a chain. The only thing I'd add are more colour options, the white and red being the best schemes previously. Overall, I'm liking it!
Really needed shaft drive. I realise that wasn't going to happen, but it doesn't change the reality.
Does it have backlit switch gear? If not, why not?
Do the revised panniers hold a full face helmet? Those on my BMW do, the ones on my Forza 750 are woeful.
If you need to see and read the switches you are going to use then you shouldn't really be on a motorcycle.
That’s the bike I’m looking for. A non DCT model. Too bad it’s not available in the US
For me personally, this should be a 3 inline. 130hp for a 1100cc at least. Maybe in the UK and EU it might be appropriate but not in the USA, Africa, AUS or NZ. Not for 2 up at least. Why do we not see drive shafts??? My Yami XJ900 drive shaft was an absolute pleasure for 12 years. The new Kawi Versys 1100cc hits the nail this year. 133bhp and 112nm. Spot on for me. Guess what I will buy??
Fred, Comments like yours are typically divorced from reality. Always big on quoting power and torque numbers but NEVER any mention of how and where that urge is developed. I have a 2014 150hp Ducati 1200 Multistrada and the power and handling are sublime. Trouble is I'm really sick of riding it and not just for the general unreliability and so-so build quality. The thing is like a clunky farm implement at low - medium rpm. Until the motor is spinning at a higher rpm it isn't happy at all and neither am I happy. Conversely, the bike I will swap for it soon, Africa twin DCT, is buttery smooth (like NT1100) and develops the big torque at an rpm that has the Ducati about to chug into an embarrassing stall. So the Multi has much more power but develops it, with max torque, at a stupidly high rpm. The Africa Twin/NT1000 develop this where it is USEFUL and NEEDED. There's always a trade off between high power, high torque and whether it is developed early or late. Honda made the right choice and gave AT/NT REAL guts down low and mid range. maybe 5% of the time riders want high rpm acceleration/high power but that's hardly worth ruining the other very friendly and useful characteristics of these sublime Honda motors. Everything is a trade-off and people should stop talking max numbers and talk WHER and what TYPE of power/torque is produced. Is the bike happily rideable or just rev-able like the young sportsbike jockeys seem to be enamored with?
@@brianhoward9217 I'm with Fred here. The simple fact is that whilst 100HP may be OK for general riding, it's just not enough imho for two up and luggage touring, of which we do a lot. 120-130 hp is much more enjoyable and effortless, particularly for open road overtaking.
@@malcolmhansen8276 Cost, weight and power sapping - that's why Honda stick with chain drive. Not to mention, so much easier to fix a broken chain out the back of nowhere. You can even take tools with you and parts to fiux it on the side of the road. No such luxury with a heavy and large shaft drive setup.
I have a '23 Versys 1000 and would find it hard to trade it, and the inline four engine for a parallel twin. You can talk about lowdown grunt in a twin all you want but it's just a matter of shifting and rpm's to get all the grunt you want out of the inline four.
As an owner of the current bike, I think they absolutely nailed the updates! Exactly what was needed! (too bad for no more power though).
More torque though and that helps create a useful separation against bikes like the Triumph tigers 900 and the Guzzi mandello or stelvio. Honda have nailed this update, only way it could be better is if the electronic suspension included a minimum preload lowering function. That would help for me as I can't quite flat foot this bike.
My BMW side paniers are also big enough for a full face. Sadly not for a Neotec2 fliplid, Top box should take 2 full faces but just one fliplid. For a touring bike i think you need space for 2 fliplids, to be practical.
Sometimes it's just the special shape of the top box that does. I have a Givi V47 that cannot hold two Neotec2 on my Crossrunner. So had to buy a V56 for riding with my wife. Could be that the 50l hold two. To be tested!
That what the topbox is for
Had a couple of St s and a vfr 1200 , really like the NT just the right amount of hp with torque at the right place . I’d have to get one in blue ( favourite colour) just wish the electric suspension could lower the bike a couple of cms for us oldies with bad hips to get on . Bob great review 😊👍👍
I had a VFR1200 for five years and I have yet to own another bike that pulls so hard and strong, and feels so solid. Perhaps I'm lookin g at things with rose-colored glasses, but that's one bike I should have kept.
I think also this bike needs shaft drive to keep up with its competition
Nothing likes my VFR800X Crossrunner. Honda's bikes are uninspiring now.
Some of us like a plain, white vanilla that tends to disappear before cops notice....
Same here😊
Solid update package just 3yrs in. Wish they brought it to the US. I don’t need another expensive bagger (Goldwing) to go with my Harley, but this would be a nice midrange sport touring bike for shorter trips. Price is excellent, and checks the Honda box for me.
I think it would do well in Canada as well. it is 300 lbs lighter than my 2014 F6B. I would have one.
Well done Honda. It's unlike Honda to be this responsive to customer feedback. Must mean this bike is very important to them.
Can’t be that important to them. Not available in the States. Guess they don’t want it taking people away from the Goldwing and Africa Twin.
I will stick with my FJR 1300.
Electric screen and shaft drive.
If anyone can tell me of another bike that ticks more boxes then I am all ears
Peace
I just can't get my head around the fact that Honda doesn't offer the NT1100 with shaft drive. I know the target price was the reason, but why not make a higher priced version with shaft drive and DCT? It would be an awesome commuter bike and realy compete with many bikes from other brands. Too bad....
because the engine is not designed with a shaft drive in mind?You do realise to do that you have to pretty much redesign the engine
@@fs5866 Honda has the XL700 Transalp with a chain, and the same engine for the NT700 Deauville, which has a shaft. So in a way, Honda should know how to make an engine suitable for both I guess...
Get a VFR1200X Crosstourer DCT and you’re all set to go! 😅 not to mention the other things it brings.
@@Jetowner man what are you smoking,the new Transalp engine is brand new design.
@@fs5866 The brand new Transalp is the XL750. I am talking about the previous generation, the XL700. I am smoking nothing.
If you do test whether a full-face helmet fits in the side cases, please test it with a larger size. I’ve found that some luggage that the manufacturer says will accommodate a full-face helmet will hold a medium or large but maybe not an XL or 2XL.
Wish it would make it's way over to North America, but I guess Honda doesn't want it competing with the Goldwing.
Looks good...However, if there is one thing this bike is lacking its back lit controls on the left hand side...its a mess and Honda have yet again failed to address the problem on this bike and the Africa Twin. ..Even the NX 500 is now back lite
Said it before and I'll say it again, if they sold this bike in the US I'd buy one. 6spd manual for me.
Surprised Honda has stuck with DCT and not just added auto changing to the manual box as per BMW and Yamaha. Add the e-Clutch to the mix for low speed control and you have the perfect combo. One model instead of separate manual and DCT bikes, slightly lower weight, and no arguments over manual/auto as you can basically have it all.
There are definitely some benefits to these new AMT systems, but DCT is really very smooth and gives them that as a competitive selling point. Got the AMT MT-09 coming in a few days so interested to see how it compares, but the E-Clutch for example isn't as slick as DCT IME and not perfect on the clutchless downshifts
@@motobob I ride a DCT NC so understand some of the advantages of DCT however as long as an AMT system is slicker than manual then most would be happy. My point was more about with one system with an AMT system and e-clutch Honda would be well in front of the pack and there would be none of this I would never go auto or I must have a clutch what about low speed control, everyone could be happy and that could be their selling point.
@@motobobinteresting you say that, I test rode the 24 tiger 900 gt pro recently, the quickshifter was smoother than I can be in both directions from 2nd gear up. Really sublime and made me think why does anyone need anything else? Clutch for low speed control and a sublime quickshifter for everything else. This was riding 2 up BTW with the Mrs whose quick to point out any clunky shifts 😂
It's going overboard with tech & I've been over it years ago,,,no longer a rider bike, ahi tech 2 wheeled vehicle,,,what's the point.
That's the items I want updated on my NT. I will hold off until 2026 as I only bought mine in March.
Thank you for specifying about seat height for the general seat and for the comfort seat. It's very important.
This design language looks great on the XADV scooter but it looks hideous on a motorcycle.
It would have been better if it were shaft or belt driven and e-clutch.
It might be practical but holy smokes. You need your beer goggles on.
The previous gen had annoying vibrations on the handlebars.
Bring it to the U.S. please
Is the DCT better behaved? My abiding memory of the NT was that it got to 6th WAY too soon... Honda reckoned that was to conserve fuel, but it laboured the engine too much so riders switched it to one of the sports modes so it wouldnt do that...
The DCT adapts to the riding style, you just need to give it some time. Also, in standard mode it switches to higher gear as soon as possible to save fuel, but in a sport mode it behaves completely different. Also, you can customise modes and set up rpm range where it should go to higher gear.
Agree that it goes for 6th as quick as poss, and found myself always running it (and other DCT bikes) in Sport mode on the DCT to help it hang onto the gears a bit. I didn't go into it too much in this video but there was a mention of tweaks to the shift timing both up and down the box, and they also specifically said it'll downshift under braking to take advantage of engine braking which will be a big improvement. It had this weird feeling of running on into corners before which was a bit unnerving and so you really had to have it in Manual if you were pushing on
I tried the new Africa Twin a couple of weeks ago, which has the new DCT updates and integration with IMU (just like this NT will have) and I have to say it's a lot better! (I own the current NT with DCT, so I can easily compare).
Anything new for 25 transalp?colors at least?
Nothing so far but I do believe there are still more Honda announcements to come and we'll post up as soon as we hear anything
I'm really intriged by this bike it checks a lot of boxes and it's more affordable than the BMW R1300RT, it gets my vote for my next touring bike.
And it's a Honda☝
Honda. Look at me. Shaft drive. Do it. Now
As much as an an improved screen is the least Honda could do I’ll just make this one comment, the sub £6000 Forza 350 scooter has an electrically adjustable screen. Seriously what is Hondas problem is it that they don’t have anywhere to put the switch?
As an ex owner of a forza 350 and current NT owner i have to say you cant just take one and install it on the NT. It is waaaay too small first of all. Secondly, the electric motors wont budge the screen when over 140kph so forget it when doing 170 on the NT. Also it wouldnt be rigid enough. BMW ones and the goldwing one are beefy installations. The Forza one really isnt. To be honest, it isnt that much of an issue. Having a good protection is more important than being able to move it.
I wish they would bring this to the US. I have the NT700 and this would be an incredible upgrade.
V-Strom 800 Touring is a fantastic machine, available in the US. Sportier side of Sport-Touring. My 2022 Africa Twin Base just sits now.
Nice to see they actually made it a proper tourer and added a shaft drive.........oh wait. No thanks Honda, you have seriously lost your way in this sector.
No thanks...shafts belong on trucks...500bhp trucks!
Nice bike, but uh to pricy for it engine
Needs shaft drive.
Having done 22,000 miles on my from new NT1100 in 20 months can say these updates are just whats needed.
I havent own a chain drive in 40 years and boy, how they've changed, Scot oiler 3,500 miles round Europe didn't even look at it! O and oem chain lasted 20,000 miles and cost £150.
Would hate to see what BMW shaft cost at 60,000 miles as a serviceable item!!! Think I'll stick with chain.
As for power? I travel with KTM 1290, BMW 1250GS, Triumph Tiger 1200 and 900 and have no problems keeping up, in fact it sounds great!
Keep up the good work Moto Bob.
ps. Its 150mm at rear of front mud guard.
Alas, not available in the US 😢😢😢
Great analytical dissection!
Thanks David, appreciate the kind words 👍
My BMW C650 Sport is fully automatic. There are also other brands including Honda that have fully automatic bikes, such as the Suzuki Burgman.
Adaptive ride height would be a bonus on the electronic suspension option
True although it's not as high as a big adventure bike - 820mm seems reasonable
Your videos are not just content, they are a source of inspiration and learning. Thank you for your creativity and hard work!🏓💿🦐
I have driven the NT1100 (2024) last saturday, its a very good bike but because it has so good weather protection its a little bit boring
Save yourself a bundle of cash a get an approved used BMW RT with 2 year warranty etc. 🤔
Would have liked to see shorter seat height to cater to shorter riders. If it had 780-800 and not 820, I would seriously consider it.
If they really want to fix it, put the cb1000 motor in it. If others can run an inline 4 and meet emissions rules why can’t Honda?
They nailed it in my opinion, new colours looks very good, active suspension and much much more.
Many criticizing lack of shaft drive? Really! A modern O-ring chain and a sprocket set will last around 35K km's with little maintenance, saving weight. I hardly ever clean the chains on my bikes, just a bit of lube after a rainy day in the saddle.
GS1300 shaft drive is now considered a wear part from BMW and you pay for that, I forgot how many km's but around 75k km if I remember correctly.
Just one thing they have missed for touring that’s a SHAFT DRIVE , COME ON HONDA?
Makes you wonder why the Africa Twin AS DCT is £3.5k more and centre stand and bags are extra. No hill hold assist/blind spot/ adaptive cruise/ heated seats options and the tft screen is really looking dated on both models. Needs a thorough update.
Do I still have to use a USB cable if I want to use Android Auto, or will the 2025 version finally allow it to be done wirelessly?
Meh, its hideous. It can be the best thing since sliced bread, but when I look at one of those bikes I can only think of throwing a bike cover over it rather than taking it for a spin.
Honda knows their target market for this bike well. Wealthy old farts 😂
Hilarious to see various comments about its use as a commuter (it’s 14 grand FFS) or that it needs a shaft (it’s already porky and very few bikes now have a shaft because no one outside a BMW forecourt could care less and the accountants need to keep that 14 grand price in check).
It’s a nice enough bike, gets the job done, the engine has plenty of poke. However as with the AT it has become a very expensive, complex and lardy beast. The target market therefore remains the same, so stop trying to make it something it isn’t!
I care about shaft drive, I ride a moto guzzi. Your 💯 right though, clearly it isn't important enough for the market or everyone would be riding guzzi and bmw twins.
Guzzi and BMW historically used a shaft because o the transverse engine mounting in the frame meaning the crankshaft is parallel to the driveline. Chain drive is simpler for inline motors where the output shaft is perpendicular.
However I do wish belt, and especially enclosed belt had been more widely used. It’s cheap to manufacture, clean, quiet, has a nice direct drive feel, little to no maintenance, long life and no weight penalty. It’s not ideal for high power scenarios as it’s less efficient than a chain. I loved it on my F800ST
I assume no heated seats and Car Play is not wireless still as these get no mention, but a good update and getting close to being a default choice. Still would like a full spec version with these and perhaps an electric screen . Can understand the lack of shaft , based on AT platform and cost to develop.
Current owner of a DCT and love it despite its issues. 62to 64 mpg and all day comfort and weather protection as yet unparalleled from my 53 year riding experiennce. Touring using Google maps and listening to the radio just tops it off. Great that Honda have listened. They need to as the Chinese makers are very quick to! Great review but you forgot to mention the in headlight indicators a la ADV. At least they won't poke a hole in the fairing now when it gets dropped! Doesn't look like they are permanently lit either.....but this may be different for UK bikes when they arrive.
Always found the DCT box to be clumsy at slow speed. I'm surprised that Honda haven't offered the e-clutch as an alternative as the option to use a clutch at slow speed and when manoeuvring would be advantageous.
Thanks for a great vid! Do you believe/know if the NC750X will be revisited as well next year?
The upgrades look good, this was already a good platform. One of the rare Honda's I like the look of.
Excellent price, especially compared to their ridiculously expensive Forza 750cc scooter.
Could never see the point of electronic suspension until I recently got a multistrada v4s - why did I wait so long - now a must have feature
Whats missing from the new update? Nothing except they do not sell it in the USA! 🤬
Ik didn't hear anything about Android Auto/Apple CarPlay. So I guess that still requires a USB cable and no place to store your phone?
Same as before. Quad Lock make a wireless CarPlay adapter which could be worth a shot
@@motobobHmm... I'm afraid that's not going tot work with my Android phone... Great tip for Apple users though!
@@Benjimica "Ottocast A2Air Pro" should do it
Look like they have a longer front fender to..have a red 2024 and the front fender was so short the the rain water hit the upside of the tank...
I know its not your interest but there is a rumor about Forza Honda also made some improvements against xmax navigation option??
god that shot at 10 sec in is why I dont like it, it just looks so god dam boring
Can you in the future when you put the price of a bike, also put it in euros? Keep up the great work! #regardsfromcroatia
Make a new st1300 V4 not a two cylinder with only 100HP
Where have the front turn signals gone?
Good point forgot to mention that - they're integrated into the DRLs like the X-ADV now.
Good looking bike but I think it should be 135-150 bhp
I wish some of these new updates would be fitted to the older model years...
I wonder if those seats can be made to fit the Africa Twin???? Anyone tried yet?
As a former owner of the NT1100 and now a owner of the BMW R1250 RT, I'm pleased to see that the NT has finally received active suspension and an IMU-features I definitely missed. However, I had hoped they would also introduce active cruise control. The main reason for my switch, though, was and still is the 1250 engine, along with the superior comfort of the RT compared to the NT. Honda really needs to develop a CRF 1200 engine with more power. Right now, it's just too lackluster. My wish list for Honda: active cruise control, more power, and an electric windscreen-then they'd really have something.
Honda has the goldwing to rival the RT. The NT is the entry level touring bike.
One the best tourers out there, just got better 100bhp is the best
I don't see anything that would coax me off my 2019 R1250RT. The R1300 will have ASA (automatic shift assistant). Seems like a less powerful, less capable version of my bike. I guess it is lighter, but it carries higher than the RT. I guess it is cheaper.
I dont honestly think honda target people who already have big touring bikes with this. It is mainly to get into touring cheaply. A very good option if you are not acustomed to touring bikes but it would definetely be a downgrade from an RT. But as you said, it is realistically half the price of a brand new RT.
i'm still waiting for the cb4x crossover that they showed a few years ago, i can't imagine that the nt1100 replaced it as their crossover bike
True but they have their street looking crossover bike (the NT) and their offroad looking crossover bike (the AT). I'm afraid they will not make a third one
Waiting for a NC750X update…
How did honda fix this bike...it's still ugly!!!
When will it be in North America?
When is it coming to the usa!!!!!?!?
Missed the re-location of the front indicators. The previous setup used to reflect in the screen winglets. The re-location to being integrated into the headlights is much better 👍
Good point on the reflections - a bit annoying they were!
An L-Helmet will fit, an XL won't.
Still incredibly dull looking
Honda advertisers i.e. their subcontractors really like Ljubljana apparently. Promo for 2nd bike in a row shot on this location (after x-adv 750).
Looks pretty nice to be fair!
@@motobob sure, do come and visit sometime :)
Does anybody knows if the left hand controls stayed the same 1000 buttons or was it updated as well?
Stayed the same according to pictures
Thanks!
Apple car play still by wire ??
Afraid so, but Quad Lock for example sell a wireless CarPlay box. I use it in my van and it's really very good
Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit from a press release. How to make a 2 minute read into a 12 minute video.
They're really never gonna revive the v4 huh..
One word
Emissions
Its already suprising that Suzuki can keep 4cylinders emissions compliant, don't even wanna mention small 800cc V4s or sth similar
im sure its and emission issue sadly.
Gone for ever sadly. Expensive to create a new V4 and the old one had higher emissions than allowed in Europe
boring crap