New NSX vs. GT-R vs. 911 turbo S (Best MOTORing 2018)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- [Entry Car]
Honda NSX,
Nissan GT-R track edition engineered by NISMO
Porsche 911 turbo S
[Driver]
DK Keiichi Tsuchiya,
Max Manabu Orido
NOB Nobuteru Taniguchi
[Stage]
TSUKUBA Circuit
速さ云々は置いといて、FRの横滑りとも違う、滑りながらも前に進んでく911のコーナリングが個人的にカッコイイ
このGTRのエディションがニスモみたいに派手でもなくでも中身がすごいしっかりしてるのがかっこいい。そしてもうすぐ出るNSX typeSがどのくらいの進化をしてスーパーカーを蹴散らすのか楽しみ
蹴散らせずダメダメでしたね結局。残念。
劣化版マクラーレンでおわっちゃった
こういうの見てるとGTカーとかフォーミュラカーのコーナリングって異常だなってのが良く分かる。
前でこんなフラフラされたら怖くて抜きにいけんだろｗｗ
NSXのブレーキが効かなかったりコーナーでフラフラだったりで、ガンさんがダメ出しした訳が分かった気がする
土屋さん「ちょっと俺の腕では無理だな〜。難しすぎる」
って誰が乗りこなせるんや
プロのテクニックが電子制御と喧嘩してる状態だから、素人の方が割と乗りこなせる
プロも電子制御も挙動を読み取って修正するから合わさって過剰修正になってしまうんだっけ
@@ゼロワン-l3d それは無い
プロだと電子システムが邪魔で「乗りこなせない」
素人だと電子システムに「乗せられる」だけ
結論、「誰も乗りこなせない」
良くも悪くも腕の差が出にくいのでしょうね。ある程度の腕があればプロだろうがアマチュアだろうが同じタイムを出せると思う。
旧型NSX、インテグラR、シビックR、S2000。相談役(市島さん)も日本の宝と言っていたように、まさに日本が誇る名車を作っていたのに…
時代の流れというのは悲しいものですね。
ＮＳＸがブレーキ効かないってなんだよ・・・
もうＮＳＸという名前の別のスーパーカーって理解でええな。ランボルギーニやフェラーリと同様、走る楽しさや究極の速さよりもスーパー感に重きを置いてる感じ。
その方向でいくなら、もっと高くなっても内外装ちゃんとすべきよな。マジでこのNSXはどこ目指してんのか分からん。
土屋さんが「俺の腕では無理」って、土屋さんがだめならもうこの車乗れる人いないじゃんw
｢なんかやろうとすると･･全～部､電子制御に止められるんだもん･･･こんなんで、速く楽しく走れるワケねぇｰだろ！ ﾌｻﾞｹﾝﾅｰｯ !! ヽ(｀Д´#)ﾉ; ｣･･･を....やさし～く やさし～く､言ってらっさるのかな？
@@ためせん 電制切るとあまりにも不安定すぎて走れないと聞くし、電制に頼りきりでクルマ本来の走行感の調整が良くないんだろうね
@@Kiromaki 独特の駆動方式と開発中に大破炎上しちゃって冷却系の強化で重量がガッツリ増えた影響がありそう
俺忘れんな
Great, thank you for have the English Subtitles
The disappointment in dk's eyes is real.
Yeah, he loves old NSXs, knows how they behave and their limits, I bet he was very curious and excited about the new one, so this must´ve been a very dissapointing experience.
@@cesarg4328 new one just overprice... and all the part just too OEM.... that why it don't sell....
It's a completely different car with the NSX badge
He's wearing sunglasses 😂😂😂😂
@@cesarg4328 he said in an old interview the old NSX is the perfect car from factory and own 1 himself he drives daily with just tyres and his own factory's coilovers
Please Honda build a Type R NSX made in Japan.
噂ではＣＲ－Ｚの開発でも、ハイブリッドにしないと案が通らなかったそうですね。
ミニバン時代もそうですがホンダの上層部には良い車に仕上げるのを邪魔する人がいるそうな。
いつの時代も有能なエンジニアの足引っ張るのは無能な経営者だからね
日産も世界レベルの技術力あるのに上があれじゃあね…
そうなの？最新のシビックタイプRもNSXも収益度外視で技術者のオ○ニーの様な車だとおもうのだけど。
〇〇「あのV10(RA109-E)積もうぜ。」
？？「ダメ。」
…という伝説の話がNSXにあったとかなかったとかw
I love how this channel really shows the overall capability of the cars , not just like showing exterior and interior as well as 0-60 figure . keep it up
Real
I'm guessing you are new to bmi/hot version.
@@Traumatree You're not serious P J. He lapped 1:03 with the old NSX-R with only ~320hp (officially 280hp)! Seems like the issue of non-defeatable stability control of the new NSX was fixed later.
@@Traumatree I can't think of anyone else in the world who would do a better job than Keiichi Tsuchiya. An adaptable and creative driver with decades of experience, he's a racing legend.
@@Traumatree a better driver then Mr. Keiichi? I see you don't know who that man really is. One of the fathers of drift and most likely the best man to drive that NSX.
NSXは乗ってる側もだけど後ろに着いてる側もかなりイライラしそう
Thanks for the subtitle! I preffer 80's & 90's tests, but it look very nice, it have the same style than ever✨
that classic NSX-R just looks so good. The new NSX looks terrific too, but the old one is way more special
NSXが好きなのね、土屋の伯父様は。 旧型は本当に楽しいよ。 MR2に乗ってた頃、たまたま乗せてもらったけど全部違った。 ハイパワー＝重さって課題だね。 ロードスターがいつまでも楽しい車の由縁でもあるよ。
速度感が違うw
この3台のバトルはすげーかっこいい
電制あり過ぎてのるのほんとつまらなそう
おじいちゃん乗る車かよってね
基本システムが明らかに頭デッカチなデジタル制御にふり過ぎ。ホンダらしくない。
いや、個人的にはむしろ逆
時代に合わせて正常進化したホンダの姿って感じがするけどね
GT-Rがアテーサ振り切りで変わった様にホンダもハイブリッドの進化と言う意味での答えだと思う
Acura made an nsx that can’t corner
「世の中にスポーツカーが無くなったら子供たちの夢が無くなる」
ほんとその通り。
”NSX”の名を復活させてくれたホンダには感謝です。
これから今のR35のように熟成していってくれる事を期待してます！！
同感です。僕も将来スポーツカーに乗りたいです！
生産終了しちゃたよ…
NSX should had been created in Japan
Yes, feel like its a dishonor to the legacy to have it made elsewhere, but that is only my opinion.
@@RAYSGT the base c8 isn't faster than a 488GTB lol
@@RAYSGT it's faster than the Ferrari 458, not the 488.
@@sonicloud7774 that is way more believable, i really think it is tbh but keep in mind that the 458 is a decade older than the C8
The closest thing I know to a classic NSX is a Lotus Evora
Hell, it even has a Japanese engine
最後に土屋さんがコメントしている時に
夕日が差しているところが凄いかっこいい
you can see this was made by people that just wanted the nsx name plate and none of the dna
It's created in USA, where people love fast acceleration on a straight away.
@@xiebaiqin but it is still slower than gtr 😂
bro my entire recommended section is japanese i need hope please
@@And4224 not really ruclips.net/video/b3lPbVTsXc8/видео.html
@@And4224 ruclips.net/video/Ivj97S1mOFM/видео.html
谷口さんと織戸さんは主役が誰かわかっててオープニングラップ譲ったりとか気が効くところがすごく好感高いですよね
HONDAは製造日本の車じゃないと酷評になるって気づいてくれ
クルマもそうですが、バイクも含め
国内生産を重点としてた時がやっぱよかったです。
カブも一時期ひどかったもんね
Made in japan じゃないNSXってアメリカでウケてるんだろうか？
アメ車スポーツ欲しけりゃコルベットとかV8マスタング、チャージャー買うわな
@@Nori-e1m
各年間販売数は半年程で売り切ってるよ
売れればいいって理論ならトヨタの車が最高だね^^;
こんなに熟練のドライバー達でも操れない車はどんなに早くても一口に「いい車」とは言えないのかもね。車を走らせるにあたって、大切なのは速さだけは無いという事を教えて貰った動画です。
早く→速く？
熟練だからダメなんだろうな！
@@さすらいの美食家 逆にな
オートサロンのトークショーで土屋が暴露してたけど、この映像で「俺には（新型NSXを乗りこなすのは）無理だな！」と言ってるシーンをホンダが見てて、しばらくホンダの仕事なくなったらしい。
モデューロのアドバイザーなのに。。
ホンダは自分たちの非を認めないんですね、、、いつからそんなつまらない会社になったんでしょうか、、、
Such a modest man for a Legendary hero ! ❤🙏🏼✌🏼😎
このNC型の初期型NSXの挙動はシビア...
清水さんは「なんだこれーあーー！」ってなって事故りかけてたし
ガンさんは「タイヤの横剛性がない（中略）脚の設計者に良いのがいない...」って言ってた
R35 ATTESA E-TSのように最初からうまく決まっていれば良いのだろうけど
SH-AWDは人間との感覚が離れすぎているのかもしれない、初期型に飛びついて買った人は、改良型が出た時点で納得いかなかったでしょうね^ ^;
焦ってビックパワーを求めてしまった感が否めないけど、今後の開発に期待🇯🇵
So what my expectations were about this new “NSX” seem to have been confirmed by Tsuchiya-san: the late great Ayrton Senna would NOT have approved of this car.
NSXはそこまでスーパースポーツとして出来が良くないという話は聞いたことあるけど、予想以上。制御がダメダメすぎる。全開走行がここまで不自由なのはスポーツカーとしてどうなんだろう。
なるみん マイナーチェンジ後は電子制御も良くなってるよ
ホンダはもうダメ。アメ車
前輪モーターのトルクベクタリング制御、色々な車両駆動制御の中で段違いに難しいようで、ピーキーなのも頷ける
そもそもベクタリングとは主にアクセルを開けてコーナー脱出時のリア車軸の内側から外側にトルク移動させて効力を発揮するもの、トラクションの殆ど無いフロントをベクタリング制御する意味が解らん、フェラーリSF90も同じフロントモーターベクタリングだがあちらはリアにも電子制御Eデフがあって全輪トルクベクタリングなので違いが楽しみ...
what a dangerous car is that NSX.
モーターによる加速ってホンマにバケモンやなあ。
NSXの電制完全OFFにできないのは本当に操りずらそう…
あとあの速度帯でブレーキが効かないのは致命的では？
ドリキンで「操れない」なら本当にひと握りの人間しか操れんのやろなあ。
GTRは他の二台より1000万も安いのか…
コスパで勝てるスーパーカーない希ガス
@@Kind-Barley-Tea スーパーカーにコスパってなんか草
@@Kind-Barley-Tea GT-Rはスポーツカーっしょ
NSXなんて鈴鹿サーキットのセーフティーカーでしか見たことないw
"I see cool outside, please refine inside mechanism, please"
OOOF
I really like the new NSX.
I don't understand why many auto journalists said its bad its not a full fledged race car nor is a style statement its something in between like the old NSX.
You will reach your destination fast and looking good while being comfortable.
You can keep up with your friends in Mclaren and GT2rs and GT3rs and ferrari.
Its an amazing machine and a piece of innovation.
I like it.
But to each their own.
今やトヨタが昔のホンダになり、ホンダは昔のトヨタになっているようだ。
GRヤリスの本気度と完成度vsNew NSXの中途半端度が如実にホンダの企業性を表している。
Very underwhelming performance by the 2017 NSX. The 2019 refresh fixed some of the stability issues. The one I drove on winding roads felt invincible. Curious how it performs on track against the latest GTR and Turbo S.
NSX can match GT-R but the chassis gone beyond its use by date, Nissan need to pull their act together...... but NSX can't do much with 992 turbo s.... the German's just too strong
9:28 only best motoring shows track and weather conditions
電子制御効かせないように走らないといけないってもう電子制御いらないじゃん
何気にスラロームのコーンギリギリをあの速度で走り抜けるのを
サラッとするの本当にプロって感じがしてかっこいい
ホンダは土屋さんと一緒にNSX煮詰めてモデューロX出してみれば良いのでは。
金がかかっても売れると思うし、現行NSXファンとして応援したい
モデューロXとNSX Rどっちが先に出るやら。どっちが先出てもいいけどどっちもでないかも……
Don't know why the Americans built and designed the nsx
Not a true successor to original
Should have just named it something else
R35も出始めの頃「つまらない」とか言われたけど安心感は有った、
それに対せて新型NSXは初物とはいえ危険すぎでは。
The 5 lap battle is disappointing. Seems the GTR covered the NSX just for it to not finish last. So many times it could have passed the NSX in the earlier laps. The NSX is so twitchy and unstable. The two cars are so much faster around the track
I'm glad you said this, because I was about to point out in detail every turn, every straight, and every sideline conversation where the GTR and the 911 could have passed. CLEARLY both cars were holding back until the very last lap. No way should they have even been that close (in that year), even around this circut. I didn't expect this kind of behavior after watching their previous battles in other vehicles. Now it makes me wonder...how many times have they done this??
@@NSXlover18 From what I could see both Orida and Nobu spent the first few laps observing how the NSX runs, then tried to pass but realized how dangerous it would be to try to do it because of how twitchy and finicky it was, you try to pass during one of those twitches and there goes tens of thousands of dollars. The last lap looked more aggressive because they tried much harder to pass the NSX, but as you can see the NSX's electric motor helped pull it out of corners much faster than the other two.
Essentially, just like how Orido and Nobu described it in the end, the 911 and GTR could very easily keep up with the NSX with a lot of room to spare, but both found it extremely hard to PASS it. Passing cars on its own can use a whole college thesis to explain, it's not just "a car should be faster, so it will win."
At the end of the day, had they not done reverse pole (the fastest time attack car in the rear most position), the NSX would've been left in the dust by the other two, but since it was running in the front, the others simply had trouble passing it. It doesn't mean they didn't race fairly.
The 911 with worse tires is disappointing but no one sees that.. also it makes the fastest lap on time atack.
NSXコーナーがカックカクのフラフラでほんと草www
This one of the best car video EVER.
ABSOLUTELY AMAZING PROFESSIONAL WORK.
Huge BRAVO 👍👍
Big salut from France 🙋♂️
今のホンダみたら本田宗一郎が泣くだろうな。
DC2乗ってますが高回転の気持ちよさ、楽しさを教えてくれるようなホンダになってほしいです。
This is the best car show ever! Thanks for the sub.
NSX just won 'cause everyone was so afraid to pass and get crashed lol Let's see if Honda can develop a better NSX, it deserve it! It's a legend!
I was thinking the same, can't get beside such a twitchy car
OMG! that was terrible for the NSX. The electronic control made the NSX DANGEROUS! I'd like to see it again, with it disabled. The stress in the voice , was not the excitement for driving that death machine!
this one shoot in 2018, newer NSX already got firmware update that fix that problem... they really need to make new comparison video to see the progress......
keep calm and wait for nsx type-r
@@alphaxfang they have tho, but only members can access.
@@brianhahnejong is the content avilable with subtitles? this is the only car show I would pay money for, I know a few other decent ones but best motoring / hot version is using a lot of resources to create this content for us and all of it will be available for free later on so that's the only case where I feel like I should support them. the only other shows I like are produced with low budgets or they aren't available for free so only privileged people can watch that content and that's something I don't support, and half of the shows which visit tracks ruin the track footage by focusing the camera on the driver for no reason.
@@brianhahnejong members ? can you tel me more
色々言われるけど現行NSXいいなぁ。是非これは1度乗ってみたい。そして土屋さん「俺にはこのクルマは無理だぁ…」と言いつつもここまでタイ厶縮めてるのはほんとにすごい。
現行NSXいいと言ってるのは珍しいですね〜。ネット上には「昔の車が最高」みたいな頭固いおやじしかいませんからね。車としての出来は現代車のほうが高いので、私も現行NSX好きです
NSX has the potential but it does not seem like the product development was finished before they started selling the car.
Can you explain what you mean it's better than mclaren and I am sure it will be more reliable too
@@RSADYNAMICS As you can see in the video the suspension/electronics setup don't work well at all together.
@@RSADYNAMICS Like he said, it has the problem regarding the electronics, sliding the car suddenly when cornering and the brakes not working properly.
The introduction of the New NSX is like a real Acura Commercial. If only Acura would had made an NSX commercial set in Japan.
Thanks for the translation! I would be very curious to see if the same results held with all cars on the same tire. I could not tell which P-Zero model they swapped onto the NSX, but the Porsche at least may have been at a disadvantage with the GT-R having a very aggressive tire by comparison (?).
+1 I felt exactly like him when playing Dirt Rally, I didn't understand why vehicles changed behavior no matter how I drove, later I found out that all assistance, ABS, Handling, Stability so later I found out that all this, the control became on my hands.
Definitely the best automotive program!
By far
Hands down.
only when they don't charge people for it.... 2018... is so long again... people just don't care about those car anymore...
This is basically like an japanese tv show if you don't know:)
I miss Best Motoring and Hot Version videos. If I can see them on RUclips I will be watching this again. Kind of like Top Gear but more focused on Japanese cars. (:
The Japanese build Awesome cars. This Honda wasn't unfortunately. Built in America. I love Japan.
Your opinion is very wrong and stupid. New nsx is a monster of engineering and on the road.
@@cr2nr He's not wrong, you're not either. It's just that the new NSX is a great car, but not deserving of the NSX lineage.
性欲
I love seeing the new NSX on the road, looks really good.
Hopefully more tuners get to work on it. Or hopefully the next generation allows for tuning.
土屋さん尊敬してます。3人のバトルは本当に楽しい、皆さんプロフェッショナル。
やっぱこの3人だね！(語彙力)
3人で誰か察したw
ナレーションもいれたげて！
見た目はかっちょいい。何年か制御煮詰めたら、過去型もプログラムアップデートで改善されるといいな。ないやろけど。
多分、ここまで電制のこと酷評されてるから、凄いアプデ来るよ。
NSXはマイナーチェンジで開発を日本のホンダ主体にしたら、相当良くなったみたい。
ドリキン主体にしたらもっと良くなるハズ
普通のNSXは誰でも速く走れる仕様にして
タイプRは腕に自信がある人向けのカスタムにしていけばいいと思う
Oh NSX....i think visually it looks great and as a "take my wife out for a night drive"...it's a great car. But it's not a NSX. It's not what we wanted and I agree with the Drift King...NSX is the last generation....not this one.
Another letdown is the new Supra.....
Honestly only the GTR R35 is good out of these 3 JDM legends. NSX & Supra have lost there Japanese soul =(
There was something wrong with this NSX. I'm not sure why it was behaving like that around the track. In other tests it's shown to be a very capable handling car.
Glad Toyota decided to make the new supra a lightweight sports car (lightweight in comparison to the NSX and R35). Might not be true JDM but neither is the NSX and the supra is still relatively affordable for the masses
NSX‥ 理論だけ「速いはず」で造ったら、こうなったでござる。の巻。
電気なんだから早くて当たり前ですよね。
911フロントガラスヒビ入ってない？w
光の反射かな……
I don’t know it’s just me but this new NSX is really hard to drive in GTS. I don’t know it is error or just how this car is behave but it has its own mind when hitting the apex and make the car really hard to control. Looks like it does the same thing here on final 3 car battle which shows driver is fighting against the cpu not the track it self.
アメ車とは言え開発に日本人スタッフが関わっていない事はないと思う、アメリカ、日本で熟成されていくだろうからその時が本当の勝負になると思う。とは言ってもモーターが入っているし電制がネックだろうがね。
NSX・・・。やはり新しい時代に新しい技術で作ったとしても必ずしも楽しい物が生まれるとは限らないんだなぁ
要はサーキットじゃあ面白くないけど普通に乗る分には楽しく乗れますよって感じか
にしてもホンダらしさってのはないし値段の割にはって感じか
初代に比べて全然違う感じになるなら名前変えれば良かったのに
あとやっぱGT-Rはすごいな
何だかんだ35までしっかり名車だわ
Great video!
And thanks for the subtitles! Really appreciated
Just make more old NSX. No one is interested in the new NSX...
NSX性能のわりに高すぎでしょ？だって公道で見ないもんね。LFA￥四千万じゃあるまいし、なんで三千万円？デザインも古くなってきた感。売れてないでしょ
土屋さんの難しい判断を感じました。
これだけホンダの息がかかった人なのにホンダブランドより土屋ブランドを守った、本当の車と向き合う人だと思いました!!
改めて土屋さんをリスペクトします。
What a JOKE!! Such a disgrace to the legacy model.
It really is.
Some other comments complaining "When Honda don't make vehicles in Japan, whether it is motorcycle or supercar, bad thing happen..."
Omg thank you for including the English subs
ホンダが安全な車を作ろうとしてるのは凄く伝わる。
けど、サーキット限定とかで完全に電子制御オフできるようにすれば良いのにと思いますね。
20:14 「もう…電車みたい！」は流石に草
The NSX Need a driver! The contenders are amazing but NSX need a driver ASAP! so I enjoy it but no make sense even the driver wasn't the best and make a good race until I saw it!
15:52 me in Gran Turismo first corner in a c63 Amg
ホンダさんしっかりしてくれぇ〜
グランツーリスモではコーナーで変な挙動して正直速くないから
「スーパーカーでこんなわけないだろ」
と思ってたんですが、事実みたいでなんか悲しいですね・・・
ごめんなさいポリフォニー・デジタル
The track was just too short & limited for that tremendous amount of power on these cars.. Fujispeedway track might be the good one :)
there was one battle they filmed at sugo(comes with high speed straights) along with gtr nismo, amg gtr and new nsx, turns out the nsx having trouble to keep up because of it's factory speed limiter lol
The new NSX is a joke...I admit I'm a GT-R fan, but I would take the older NSX ANY DAY ANY TIME over this new hot garbage...
Honestly if the Porsche was on P1, I think it will outrun both GT-R and NSX. You can clearly tell the Porsche is being blocked so badly lol..
Don't be too surprised that this show is heavily biased on JDM since the 90s. To make things "balanced", they race all cars on Tsukuba Circuit and JDMs (which were then restricted to 280 HP at that time) were given grippier tires and then the Euro and American cars will have road tires. The only instances of foreign cars winning were the Ferrari F40s and a few Porsches, and that's it.
on touge stage "It has Honda DNA!"...After some track "it is born in USA" :D LOL
Its 2020 and Honda addressed none of his feedback 😂
they updated the tires for 2019 though lol but its not much
@@ShaiyanHossain It's the weight of the car... it's not as light as it used to be plus all of the electronics intervening... someone said once that the new C8 Corvette is the old NSX and I kinda agree with that statement
The nsx has gotten an update
AMERICANS TURNED THE NSX INTO PRIUS
おりどさんすげーな。
よく後ろからみてるだけで症状わかるな
Jeremy-James-Hammond = old school Top Gear host
DK - Nob - Max = Perfect JDM Top Gear 👏👏👏👏👏😅😅
Top gear is nowhere near these guys.
Dk, hattori, orido
Jeremy/James/Richard are entertaining but can't drive 20% as well as their JDM counterparts haha. They're full of hyperboles and really can't accurately comment on driving dynamics.
日本語ですまないが･･･トップギアの3人には3人なりの良さがありますし単純に古臭いと否定する気にはならないなあ
old schoolが古臭いという意味じゃなかったらごめんね
@@Zygrene it's not even about commenting on dynamics, that show will focus the camera on the driver while he's driving fast on beautiful roads, comparing that to a real motoring show is seriously disrespectful. top gear is made for ALL people, they especially want to draw in people who don't even like cars. so there are (almost) more culture/traveling/comedy aspects to it than any driving, they use cars to get exposure for their comedy show, you simply must not compare some mainstream garbage like that to the best automotive content there is. besides the fact that both shows are entertaining they have very little in common. when children watch best motoring/hot version they will start to be interested in driving, when children watch top gear they want to become comedians and own cars as status symbols.
ガンさんがボロクソ言ってた...
サーキットで遅いNSXはちょっと見たくなかったな〜
6:21 モデルの子向けに噛み砕いて説明してるNOB優しい
Looks like an Accord Coupe. That GT-R showed it's still the boss of JDM.
今度は20年モデルでお願いしたいですな
この車高いからなぁー(笑)