Lol GT-R never crushed competition, if by anything, it's all staged to make it stands out against high spec foreigner cars This shows favors their skylines, Honda & Mitsubishi Evos, so they will do anything to not make them look good, it makes me wonder how much some of the drivers are paid to get to do this
It didnt exactly crush the competition when it was new but it did perform well alongside its competition with supercars when its first debut years. No doubt the R35 was definiteley an insane car when it debuted in its first few years. The fact it was able to perform a bit slower against some top supercars like 458 italia, C6 Zr1, Gallardo Superleggera, (not gonna name all top supercars around the era of the r35 first few years) with around 1/3 of the price of the top supercars. Only downsides to the R35 was the weight and it was just carried by its electronics that only made it fast and this basically makes the R35 not good for long races cuz its weight puts massive strain on tires when driving fast. It didnt really have great qualities compared to its supercar rivals cuz the R35 was meant to be a decently reliable extremely fast sports car with more than 2 seats and decent interior space but at the same time very quick for its price. The R35 wasnt really a proper supercar or just isnt a supercar in general to begin with. Only reason why it was fast cuz of its advanced electronics and nowadays its just outdated even with the latest R35 cars to the point even a Mustang GT350r beats it which also isnt a supercar like the R35. Simply nowadays the R35 is not living up as it did when it newly debuted. Heck, even the Carrera in this vid which had 100 less hp beat the r35 by 1 sec in Tsukuba. Also keep in mind this Porsche in the vid is LITERALLY just the Carrera version not the Turbo version or the GT3 and GT2 version .
This 4s is amazing! In Germany we have a little Upgrade kit for this 700hp 900hp or 1100hp and the Engine is stock no roods no pistons or something! Best Engine that Porsche build!
@@rdmz135 911 from part 1 was also lighter than both cars so they could’ve just used that too here. Issue isn’t about giving Porsche a better chance it’s to not make the Japanese cars look overly outmatched.
Can't turn the driving aids off all the way and they are very intrusive when they activate. I'm guessing this is due to the hybrid systems but I'm not an engineer and haven't driven one.
A 911 turbo should have been used instead given the cost and power of the NSX/GTR and it would have beaten both. The fact that that basic 2 wheel drive Carrera S with less power can keep up shows how superior Porsche is! It also put down the fastest lap!
Gtr nismo would have probably beaten Porsche turbo. Just goes to show you how much better Japanese engineering is. A big all utility sports car can rival a light sports car made especially for this kind of racing.
@Ed Rod lol maybe in 2009. Not now. Even a cayman gt4 is faster than a GTR nismo around a track. Nissan stagnated while Porsche does what Porsche has always done. Refine and improve.
I'm sure the NSX is a lovely road car, but it's gotten so fat ... Not for the track. Not only does it disappoint, but it will cost so much to run it on the track. Think of the tires and brakes this thing goes through.
Der 4s ist jetzt hier in Deutschland schon ein Classicer der Motor ist unglaublich standfest und schafft ohne den Motor zu öffnen 700-1100hp das Gewicht ist mir persönlich zu hoch aber es hat schon Gründe warum der viel gekauft wird! PS vergessen sie den AMG GT Black Series nicht der ist schneller als gt3rs oder gt2rs
When you realise the NSX is literally £250,000 while GT-R is around £80,000... The GT-R still is amazing value, and still compares to cars 3x more expensive or more.
@@K0well and for the 4s Not! Upgrade whit a stock Engine is 700-1100hp and you dont need to open the Engine! And 300-400kg less then the gtr! For me only porsch
@@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376 Jdm fanboy at it’s finest😂 Porsche come out with new development all the time meanwhile Nissan is selling their overpriced ancient gtr with terrible reliability
The nsx is easily the most comfortable out of those three, and it hurts lap times unfortunately. The problem is the nsx is the lack of trims.. It's been one trim for all of its life. The GT R has the premium, track, Nismo, etc. The 911 has like a million trims lol. The nsx needed a base model, a sport model, a type s, and a type r. Otherwise it's too focused on ride comfort and it can't be fast that way.
@@iforyou that's what i want to hear when we speak about a "sportcar". Ohh but this is the most comfortable.... Dude... :D This NSX is a car which should not be called NSX in the first place. Second then not call it a sportcar when you want to make a comfort car. (Btw the Turbo S is way more comfortable and more luxury and the build quality is not even in the same century)
@@iforyou The 911 was only a Carrera S, not even a GT3. It's an embarrassing result for the two Japanese cars really, especially when they are both supposed to compete with the 911 Turbo S in theory. 😐
Production ceased 2022. Not much to mourn. The old NSX slayed because it set new standards for super cars. It was set up by Senna and it showed. This NSX seems to not know what it is and also lacks refinement. Another reason people shy away from hybrids.
無理矢理NSX勝たせようとしないで駄目なもんは駄目って言わなきゃ成長しない
井口はしっかりマシンの挙動を言語化が出来てて素晴らしいね。
this is the best car racing channel in the whole world.
For a 991.2 Carrera S to be able to clock a 1:02.5 lap at Tsukuba with standard Pirelli tyres with such ease, it’s really impressive.
やっぱNSXは旧型だなぁ…
今回のGTRはNismoではなくpremium。カレラもturboではなくS。
相手が譲れないと勝てない改良型NSXは一体本当にNSXでしょうか。
NSXよりDレンジて攻められるポルシェの制御のバランスの良さに感心した 。
ここに コストパフォーマンス抜群の新型シボレーコルベット加えてバトルを見てみたい！
First time i see a GT-R starts on front! And a amazing performance of 911, best laptime with 150 hp less.
NSXはGT-Rみたいな最速を目指す方向じゃなくて最新技術を取り入れつつも軽さや楽しさを優先する車作りをして欲しかったな
土屋さんが俺には難し過ぎて無理だって、誰が走らせれるの😂
NSX はホンダイズムが消え去った高いだけの車になったって事なのか？
荒さん大人な対応だね〜
普通にトップ取れてたけど空気読んだ😂
carトップのスーパーカーバトルで桂さんがnsxを乗りこなしてましたね
電子制御に任せてカウンター当てたとしても直ぐに戻さないと大変だそうです
このNSXは残念に終わったよなぁ...俺は物凄く好きなんだけどね
重すぎてクセが強すぎたのか！？街乗りでは優れてると思う。
とはいえこれでNSXの歴史を終わらせて欲しくはない。次期型待ってます
街乗りではプリウスみたいに低回転は静かで燃費もいいし、乗りやすいだろうからねぇ…
非力だが軽量の外車がパワーはあるが重い国産車をコーナーでカモるというのは、ベスモの90年代バトルと完全に立ち位置が逆転してしまったのだなあという印象です。
Wie Zeiten sich ändern! Gruß aus Deutschland
日産の凄いところはGTRを採算ベースに載る車として開発し熟成を続けて、採算度外視のNISMOで筑波分切りをさせた。HONDAは採算度外視でNSXを開発し未熟なまま生産終了し以降の発展的展開もないのが残念。
Brilliant race. Did not expect the NSX to be given such a hectic run for 5 laps straight. 🏁
Such a well engineered car this Porsche is. Well their whole range is, but this is surprising.
値段的にGT-Rいいね
街中走ってても楽しそう
911カレラSにも負けるってどういう事？
ty so much for the eng subs ❤❤
GT3とかに負けるならまだしもカレラSに負けたらなんかなあって感じ
Tsukuba usually favors lighter cars, I think Honda refined the NSX further to fix these handling issues with the stability controls 2020+
NSXを勝たせようとする編集部の強い意志を感じる車種選択
GT-Rにスバルのドライバー乗せてるのもNSXを勝たせるためでしょうか？
I remember the days GT-R was crushing all of the competition ... it's just sad to see losing even against carrera ...
big weight difference, tsukuba is really for lighter cars
@@henrik1743 Not a factor here at all. Actually AWD is an advantage here.
Lol GT-R never crushed competition, if by anything, it's all staged to make it stands out against high spec foreigner cars
This shows favors their skylines, Honda & Mitsubishi Evos, so they will do anything to not make them look good, it makes me wonder how much some of the drivers are paid to get to do this
@@xXVibrantSnowXx it did. It beat the 911 turbo of the 997 gen, but since than it just aged
It didnt exactly crush the competition when it was new but it did perform well alongside its competition with supercars when its first debut years. No doubt the R35 was definiteley an insane car when it debuted in its first few years. The fact it was able to perform a bit slower against some top supercars like 458 italia, C6 Zr1, Gallardo Superleggera, (not gonna name all top supercars around the era of the r35 first few years) with around 1/3 of the price of the top supercars.
Only downsides to the R35 was the weight and it was just carried by its electronics that only made it fast and this basically makes the R35 not good for long races cuz its weight puts massive strain on tires when driving fast. It didnt really have great qualities compared to its supercar rivals cuz the R35 was meant to be a decently reliable extremely fast sports car with more than 2 seats and decent interior space but at the same time very quick for its price. The R35 wasnt really a proper supercar or just isnt a supercar in general to begin with. Only reason why it was fast cuz of its advanced electronics and nowadays its just outdated even with the latest R35 cars to the point even a Mustang GT350r beats it which also isnt a supercar like the R35. Simply nowadays the R35 is not living up as it did when it newly debuted.
Heck, even the Carrera in this vid which had 100 less hp beat the r35 by 1 sec in Tsukuba. Also keep in mind this Porsche in the vid is LITERALLY just the Carrera version not the Turbo version or the GT3 and GT2 version .
I hope they fixed the handling in the new NSX Type S. This one is barely improved from the previous one.
I think the new type s looks really good at least. The NSX should handle well. Oh well atleast this video makes me happy as the owner of a 991.
この動画を見るとNSXファンとして悲しくなる。開発陣が旧型から学んだことは何だったんだろうか？重量が一番重い！やコーナーでふらつく！とか目も当てられない。
やはりこのモデルにはNSXの名前を使って欲しくなかった。
土屋さんで無理なら、一体誰なら乗りこなせるんですかね…この車…()
Wow, that was crazy to watch, a lot of emotions. NSX is the best looking IMO, but I am big fan of low weight... So Porsche is my win-win car :-)
ターボsじゃないし、GTシリーズでもないのにこんなに速いんだな
NSXが遅いだけ
まさかのタクティー参戦で(´つヮ⊂)ｳｵｵwww(語彙力消失)
This 4s is amazing! In Germany we have a little Upgrade kit for this 700hp 900hp or 1100hp and the Engine is stock no roods no pistons or something! Best Engine that Porsche build!
ホンダはとりあえず新しい車作ってすぐ止めちゃうのをやめるべき。
だから車が熟成しないまま生産終了になる
周りのレベル下げてやって進化したってのはどうかと思いますが？ポルシェもGTRも前回より1秒遅いグレードなのにNSXのタイムほとんど変わってないですやん
間違いない
自分は初代のNSXの方が好き
日本のメーカーならモードを変えて電子制御をなるべく抑えることができると思う
一台だけrr（笑）
でもポルシェのバランスは半端ない
このNSXはサーキット走る車じゃない感
街乗りワインディングくらいなら丁度良いのかもな
そういう扱いならNSXもアリかな？
タイプSがこれからどれほど進化したのか楽しみではあるよね。
相手はやっぱニスモの22とポルシェターボかな
NSXにモーターを付けた罪は重い
確かにハイブリッドにした必要性は感じにくい
別の車名で出せば良かったのに
まあなくなるよりはNSX出してくれたのは感謝してますね
3.5Lツインターボなら500～550PSくらい安全に引っ張れるだろうし
重たいHVなんていらんから1500kg前後に収めて欲しかったね
SRTバイパー出てほしい🥺
Carrera S instead if 911 Turbo was a good call, all cars have similar speeds.
すげえキャスティング…笑
ARTAの監督に
SUBARUとStudieのどらいばーw
スタディのドライバーのスーツがアウディってのも追加
Wow, the porsche was very impressive
タイプSはどうなんだろ
この gtr と nsx は素晴らしい車です 合法的な日本のスーパーカー🎌💯
ポルシェの方が良いとおもう 個人的な感想
ポルシェはなんでこんなに速いのか
工学
続けてるからじゃない?
Porsche is regular Carerra S not Turbo s ?
it was still faster then the NSX and GT-R. :) Imagine a Turbo S or GT3 or RS.. different level
Carerra S might actually be better suited for this track. Lighter cars always win on Tsukuba.
@@rdmz135 911 from part 1 was also lighter than both cars so they could’ve just used that too here. Issue isn’t about giving Porsche a better chance it’s to not make the Japanese cars look overly outmatched.
Surprised with the 992 C2S
Its a 991 facelift in fact
忖度はホットバージョン、ベスモらしくないね
前回は911ターボだったのに今回はカレラ
明らかに敵がランクダウンしてるじゃん
結局2代目NSXは初代とはまるで違う凡作で終わっちゃったな
NSX Type-S でのリベンジかと思ったら古い動画でしたか。。。。
ざんねん。
Why NSX is still so unstable in the corner...even after 2 years?
Can't turn the driving aids off all the way and they are very intrusive when they activate. I'm guessing this is due to the hybrid systems but I'm not an engineer and haven't driven one.
A 911 turbo should have been used instead given the cost and power of the NSX/GTR and it would have beaten both. The fact that that basic 2 wheel drive Carrera S with less power can keep up shows how superior Porsche is! It also put down the fastest lap!
911 is a beast, perfect car. I love 911 GT2 RS my dream car.
Gtr nismo would have probably beaten Porsche turbo. Just goes to show you how much better Japanese engineering is. A big all utility sports car can rival a light sports car made especially for this kind of racing.
@Ed Rod lol maybe in 2009. Not now. Even a cayman gt4 is faster than a GTR nismo around a track. Nissan stagnated while Porsche does what Porsche has always done. Refine and improve.
It didn't just keep up. It beat them.
2代目NSX直線だけやな
これはホンダNSXではないな
I'm sure the NSX is a lovely road car, but it's gotten so fat ...
Not for the track. Not only does it disappoint, but it will cost so much to run it on the track. Think of the tires and brakes this thing goes through.
Yeah the tires cars making these days are overgrown and very expensive to maintain
おいHONDA見てるかぁ〜
こんにちは今から見ますね！NSXでのバトルめちゃくちゃ楽しみです！やっぱり土屋さんの走りが大好きです。流石です！ありがとうございます。これからもよろしくおねがいします。
結論、アメリカ人にはスポーツカーは創れない。
Hope Honda takes notes.
NSXカッコイイ！
教訓、アメリカ人にスポーツカーを作らせちゃいけない。
一部例外を除く。
残念ながら、マイナー後も本質は変わらなかったか😞
NSXのSPORT HYBRID SH-AWDは前輪のモーターが駆動力だけじゃなくて回生を利用した減速力も左右に分配していて、しかも操舵側で行われているから
車両をコントロールするための要素が多すぎて挙動がピーキーになっちゃう
これもあって賛否両論の評価だけど、技術的には非常にチャレンジングだったし、世に送り出せたNSXの制御の開発チームは相当凄いと思う(たぶん精鋭揃い)
“Best team hahahahaha” is that why they ended the production of the nsx? Because they are just so good?😂
ランサーも最初は曲がらなかったしNSX登場当時は今後に期待と思ってたけど5年ちょいで辞めたのは気に食わない
アイルトンセナが乗ったらなんて言ったんだろう…と思う。
Wonder how the type S is, but overall, this generation NSX is such a disappointment
Ouch. And this is only a Carrera S..
The only problem with the NSX is it's too "American". I wish Japan rebuild the car, or for the next gen just let Japan build it.
Agree. Any next gen japanese sports car should be developed in Japan ONLY.
@@benf3996 nope
このNSXはどこを目指して作られたんだろ
ニュルなのかな？
エンジンだけのあればなぁ
値段の価値はあるのかな？
ホットバージョン2019年の新型NSX超カッコイイですね、❤😊
ポルシェすげぇ
動画見る前
いくらポルシェといえど、600馬力近い4WDのハイパワー車2台には全然敵わないんじゃ…
ましてやターボならまだしも通常のカレラS…
流石に勝負にならないんじゃ…
動画見た後
いやポルシェすご…
GT-Rはこの上にnismo、NSXもtypeSがあるけど、911はカレラSの上に
カレラGTS、ターボ、ターボS、
GT3、GT3RS、GT2RSとまだまだ控えているあたり、恐ろしい…
Der 4s ist jetzt hier in Deutschland schon ein Classicer der Motor ist unglaublich standfest und schafft ohne den Motor zu öffnen 700-1100hp das Gewicht ist mir persönlich zu hoch aber es hat schon Gründe warum der viel gekauft wird! PS vergessen sie den AMG GT Black Series nicht der ist schneller als gt3rs oder gt2rs
@@uc-gy2fc ニュルのタイムでは、ターボSでは992より991.2の方が速かったですけどね。
初代NSXみたいなピュアスポーツでもなければフェラーリ、ランボみたいなスーパースポーツでもない
未だこのNSXのコンセプトが判らん
its real crz type r..
無限CR-Zはグッドウッドに認められてジェレミーも称賛した名車なんだよなぁ
The driver and NSX computer is not one.
When you realise the NSX is literally £250,000 while GT-R is around £80,000...
The GT-R still is amazing value, and still compares to cars 3x more expensive or more.
and there's an isane aftermarket support to make the car even better !
@@K0well and for the 4s Not! Upgrade whit a stock Engine is 700-1100hp and you dont need to open the Engine! And 300-400kg less then the gtr! For me only porsch
Best value is Porsche. Why do people keep forgetting this car? Fanboys out here worshiping a 15 yr old relic 💀
@@Chicken_cocknballsoup7376 Jdm fanboy at it’s finest😂 Porsche come out with new development all the time meanwhile Nissan is selling their overpriced ancient gtr with terrible reliability
It's crazy the NSX wasn't even faster then a mid range Porsche. This is not even the turbo or GT version.
I think tires are affecting performance a lot. Also NSX is quite heavy and jerky.
The nsx is easily the most comfortable out of those three, and it hurts lap times unfortunately. The problem is the nsx is the lack of trims.. It's been one trim for all of its life. The GT R has the premium, track, Nismo, etc. The 911 has like a million trims lol. The nsx needed a base model, a sport model, a type s, and a type r. Otherwise it's too focused on ride comfort and it can't be fast that way.
@@iforyou that's what i want to hear when we speak about a "sportcar". Ohh but this is the most comfortable.... Dude... :D This NSX is a car which should not be called NSX in the first place. Second then not call it a sportcar when you want to make a comfort car. (Btw the Turbo S is way more comfortable and more luxury and the build quality is not even in the same century)
@@iforyou The 911 was only a Carrera S, not even a GT3. It's an embarrassing result for the two Japanese cars really, especially when they are both supposed to compete with the 911 Turbo S in theory. 😐
@@TassieLorenzo next time people will say the NSX have bigger trunbk space X D that's what matter at sportcars.... :D
カレラS、頭の入りレベチだな
typeS 対 最新nismo 対 992GT3のレースを是非とも見てみたい....
911 Carrera S？
Why not 911 Turbo S？
sutl liao because new nsx isn’t that good lol
ruclips.net/video/4gy-cyA-N5Q/видео.html
HONDA NSX
NISSAN GT-R Engineered by NISMO
PORSCHE 911 Turbo S
リベンジバトル？
992 Turbo S isn't released
Is there subtitles?
@@sutlliao probably due to availability. This carrera S is still 991.2 and the turbo s version probably not avaolable to be tested at that time
ポルシェ良いな ターボSでバトルして欲しかった
Production ceased 2022. Not much to mourn. The old NSX slayed because it set new standards for super cars. It was set up by Senna and it showed. This NSX seems to not know what it is and also lacks refinement. Another reason people shy away from hybrids.
ポルシェ最高！
911ターボ（991,2）が妥当だと思うけど、圧勝してしまうから？
タイヤ見て納得
ホンダ 電子制御の開発頑張りました！
土屋 電子制御効かせなければいい！
価格的にもnismoに勝てるくらいになってほしいな
They deliberately used the base Carrera instead of the 911 Turbo to give the other two a chance 😂😂
They show the lap times of the cars including the Turbo S near the beginning of the video.
If anything this is more of a compliment to the 911, that even a carrera s can surpass these two cars.
Even the base model 911 which is 911 carrera S trashed the other two. just look at the lap times😂😂
911 Carrera S is about the same price as the other 2, and $100,000 less than the turbo.
NSX is the geatest Honda!
Definitely not this American-ised, overweight generation. 🤣
Nsx ❤️
Yeah it's Garbage
HONDA 🏆🏆🏆
No matter what you say, NSX has a nasty behavior
NSX 二代は私の好きな車じゃないです。NSX 一代のほうが好きです。
カレラSでここまで速いと思わなかった
It would be even faster if they pushed it
NSXはトルクベクタリングで無理やり曲げてるのをオーバーを勘違いして、慣れてる人ほどステアリングを戻しちゃうってパターンに見えるなぁ
そりゃスポーツカーを作り続けているポルシェに勝てるわけないやな。。。でも失われた30年を経ても尚、90年代のように吊るしのNSXやGTRがポルシェとバトルする光景を見れるということが嬉しいな。まあ世代じゃないんだけれど。
Wow!!!!!!!
NSXはサーキットはダメそうなので一般道だけを走りましょう！type Sはどうなんでしょう？
ワインディングで大人に乗りこなそう！ってことやね。土屋さんワインディングで100点つけたし
TypeR を名乗らないのには理由があるんでしょう
言い訳にはしたくないけど、NSXはHVカーなんだよな
NSX復活ってなった時は盛り上がったけど、結局期待外れのまま終わったね
初代の良さだったハンドリングとかNAのフィーリングも無くなった
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