The REAL COST of HEATED FLOORS - Are They WORTH IT???
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- The Real COST of HEATED FLOORS - Are They WORTH IT???
In this video, I discuss the actual cost of heated floors: Installation, Materials, and what the electricity costs will be to run them.
I discuss using Schluter Ditra-Heat and Laticrete Strata-Heat on floors, how they are installed, and what the costs will be once you add all the factors. One of the main costs is running a new 20 amp dedicated circuit to the thermostat location--which is required by the manufacturer. These systems can draw up to 11 amps per thermostat, requiring the dedicated circuit.
The nice thing about the new floor heating systems is that they incorporate the uncoupling membrane into the heating cable installation.
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A license to set tile? Wtf?
@@TileCoachI guess that explains why there's so many homeless people in California. My grandpa used to say he could make a living with a spoon. He would need a license now to bend it into a ring. Thanks for your response.
Isaac Ostrom Az too , i think most states require a license after a certain dollar amount
I'm not sure what to say. I was an apprentice in a lot of trades. But the amount of hours required working as a slave to take a test is done on purpose. I'm grateful for the knowledge, but if a person can do things themselves and pass inspection, screw all that BS. This is exactly why things cost so much. Government sucks the wind from everyone's sails.
@@SuperAfranks "Government [is bad]."
NO. In this case, the government is there to make the incompetent and unscrupulous think twice before scamming innocent dupes (not you of course), something the "free market" cannot compensate for.
@@SuperAfranks I think any licensing should be based on a knowledge/skill demonstration and that required hours should be eliminated.
3 years later and this is one of the best videos out there for understanding radiant heat flooring. Thank you so much!!
Thank you for the breakdown. I'm also glad to see people chime in with additional thoughts and even some corrections. That's what makes RUclips so valuable. Some brave soul starts the conversation and some other people further the discussion.
I'm going to chime in too: the cost is exactly as you said "running hours", time when the thermostat calls for heat, not time when the system is enabled.
Insulation below the slab (assuming you're installing on a slab) can vary from none at all to R30 and all points in between. Mainly this, but also the overall efficiency of the home, will vary the run time and the subsequent operating costs. That being so variable, I'm glad you presented it as running hours because anything else would be a hazardous guess. Great job!
One slight correction: the electrician would run 12/2 for either area. There is no neutral needed for a 20A 2 pole circuit, unless the system uses a 120v control circuit or motor, as in the case of an electric range or clothes dryer, respectively.
Great video! A few years ago I did a heated tile floor in my washroom; its awesome. Decided to not heat my kitchen floor and I regret it. Its not feasable to tear up the tiles just to put back heated floor now. Live and Learn
Isaac, thank you for your thorough presentation. I am planning to remodel our basement entertainment room. The original room design included a thermostatically controlled gas fireplace which is at the end of its recommended life. We also have forced air gas heating being pushed down from the ceiling. While the ambiance of the fireplace was nice the space it occupied was awkward. A heated floor system most likely will be cheaper to install, operate and leave more living space.
First off, love the videos, always very helpful. Just a little math point, 2 x 290 for the larger membrane is 580 rather than the 480 that you've put :)
Saw that too...lol
Me too. But all good we still love your videos! But I won't be asking you for financial advise! Lol. Have a great holiday everyone
Have to use both your ears, in the beginning he did say that as you purchases larger systems it becomes more cost effective. Therefore 480 is more cost effective than 580 as it should be ;)
Saw that too. I know laticrete sells strata mat in 2 sizes 150sqft and 323 sqft or something like that and the bigger roll is cheaper. I suppose schleuter has something similas
Thank you for this interesting, transparent and honest breakdown of costs.
Excellent Video Isaac. I'm a GC myself and this is brought up just about every time I remodel a bath. Funny thing is I was just talking to my wife about this yesterday when we kicked on our Schluter heated floors for the first time this winter after remodeling our master bath this spring. I'm totally jealous of your Kwh rates in Roseville. Here in Antioch CA we are at 24 cents
Your videos are greatly appreciated. It is inspirational when someone is truly trying to improve the world around them. Thank You.
I just did 64sqft including the shower( something they don’t recommend with the same wire), and my numbers are similar. If you are doing a new build or a significant remodel there might be some efficiencies on the electrical costs. The electrician also needs to know the product and have a megaohm meter to check the wire at each step of installation. Not cheap, my Fluke was $600. My only struggle is the membrane and the memory effect in the roll, it wants to lift near the edges, otherwise I also think it’s a great product. I only time it for 3 hrs in morning and 3 hrs at night, and only during the cooler months. It has spoiled my girlfriend, I don ‘t think she would allow me NOT to use it on the next remodel. Keep up the great vids Isaac. 👍
exceptional video. thank you for taking your time to do this. we are all grateful !
I did it in Northern Wisconsin in the kitchen where I spend a lot of time, and in the bathrooms. It makes it much easier to feel comfortable in a place with no basement. With a basenent, your furnace in the basement and heat runs below the first floor keep it warm. Because we have at least a half month of well below zero temps, I knew as we age the comfort will make it worth the expense. If I didn't have the money to do the kitchen, I woukd still try to do the baths.
Hey there. Also in Wisconsin, just bought first home. Can you point me in a direction to a distributor?
Thank you for your valuable insights.
So good of you to share!!
You are a great coach!!!
Also, if your wife is happy with this form of home heating I am going to follow suit 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Again THANK YOU!!!
Best heat ever! After I super insulated my attic and under my floor I installed a warm electric heated floor and it is awesome. Especially since it is powered by renewably powered electricity from my roof top solar PV system.
AARON! please text me! We have the solar panels but we haven't figured out the whole where to store the batteries...we simply have questions... were almost finished painting and we need to get a move on the floors. Ordering and getting what we need, so we can start already!!! Thank you. Om at 720 828 1202
@@Suzyston My SunPower solar PV system is grid connected. So I export electricity seamlessly during sunny days and at night my house imports electricity from the grid.
I have a light switch on my thermal mass electric floor heating slab. It is then plugged into the wall socket. When switched off the floor emits even, constant and silent heat for 8 hours before needing more electricity.
My 3' x 9' unit cost around $1,000 in materials. On the hardwood floor I laid down an R6 layer of tinfoil foam board, then 2 layers of concrete board, then a 3" perimeter layer. Inside I rolled out the electric heating serpentining $300 mat. With a stapler I made it flat as possible and filled it will grout. I then placed another layer of concrete board and then tiled it completely.
I recommend we focus on high insulation in all perimeter walls, floor and attic. New windows are nice but not really necessary. Thin flim plastic works really well. R35 floors are necessary along with R100 attics. You will feel an immediate increase in comfort.
I dug out the crawlspace under the whole house over two winters. By allowing 2 feet of wiggle room I installed R29 batts of recycled glass up between the 10 inch floor joists. They fit perfectly. But to hold them up I plated the underside with 1" R6 tinfoil foam insulation using 2" screws and large washers. I then can spray foamed the seams, cut even and sealed everything with the aluminum tape forming an R35 plate of insulation under the whole footprint under the house.
For solar PV and batteries, I say start small and add batteries and solar panels as needed in off grid applications.
One 100 watt solar PV panel in cloudy northwest winter will give you 3 hours of LED 8 watt light. 600 watts of solar PV will power tools. But anything with heat...no go. Your inverter will beep beep immediately.
Perhaps with an electric vehicle and off grid large batteries we can have off grid electric heated floors too.
I think for off grid heat one needs high insulation then wood heat, liquid heated floor plus electric heating...with a growing solar PV rack. So after the batteries are full the extra electricity is directly into heat in the floor.
Hope this helped.
Nice video. We installed our own heated floor, before the tile work. Just a small area in front of the vanity and toilet. About 15 Sq Ft to keep the feet warm and heat a small bathroom.
$500 or so material cost. I did it myself - a few hours each day for 2 days.
Materials:
Thermosoft mat, Honeywell GFI Thermostat, 20 amp dedicated circuit (bathroom is very close to the main panel), Sensor and backup sensor, staple gun, and Self-Leveling Cement (to protect the mat/wires).
Process:
- Quick coating of any waterproof membrane on subfloor (for SLC to adhere)
- seal gaps where slc would run using spray foam, etc
- Staple mat down
- Install thermostat, circuit, and sensor (1 primary , 1 backup - backup is not connected to thermostat - just leave wires there in case first sensor fails).
- Protect mat & wires with thin layer of SLC
Note: SLC is optional but Very Smart. Otherwise, the tile guy can nick/cut the heating wires or sensor wires. That would be BAD. Spend a few bucks and protect it with SLC - and the floor will be fast, easy, flat and level = perfect lippage.
Thanks Isaac. This is extremely valuable.
We have had our Ditra floor installed for two years now under slate tile in our family room and have loved it. We would absolutely install it again. Our thermostat will even tell us how much electricity we have used. Would not have stone or tile floors without the heated floors. We put it in the laundry room too. It will also go into the bedroom bathroom when we remodel those rooms. If you can afford it it is worth it.
I have forced hot air heat in my condo currently. But I will soon be installing my primary heat system with electric flooring mats or cables.
As a retired person what better use of my money than to make myself comfortable in my own home? (Yes, I donate money to worthy causes, too!) But the issue for me is the noise from the furnace cycling on and off. It drives me bananas!!! And it blows dust everywhere.
Yes, I know there are 2 cycle furnaces but then there is still the dust issue! Even with the best filters I can find, which are about $30 a piece, dust, dust, dust. So electric heating seems ideal.
Now if I can figure out the a/c issues I'll really be a Very happy person! 🤗
can the electric. chilled water in a hydronic system. raz
Thanks!
That was thoughtful and informative.
I did my kitchen floor, insulation, heating matt, latex then tile. I found even without heating on it was much warmer than before because of the insulation, you can really notice the difference as the next room hasn't been done yet and it's freezing I tested it with the kitchen floor heating off for two weeks, walking between the two was massively different.
I'm a newbie attempting to do my bathroom floor. Can you tell me more about the layers please? Thank you!
Hmm.. the insulation alone would definible make a difference good to know my kitchen floor is a mother foker cold stone anytime of the year
Nuheat system!!41 btu's.Customers love it here in cold Pa.
Great video. I'm new to Ditra heat and this answers a lot of questions. My plan is to heat a 700 sq ft insulated workshop and my kwh is just 8.5 cents.
Your killing it! Thanks for the vids!
For operational costs, we must first figure out how many kw will be required and that requires a heat loss calculation for the space. You can actually use the R-rating of the walls, ceilings and floors, together with U-values for any windows, and figure out the heat that will be lost (and thus needs to be replaced) in BTU per hour per square foot. For easy math, let's consider standard values for new home construction that result in a value of 15 BTU/hr/sqft of heat loss. Convert this to kw and you'll need to spend about 0.0045kw/h for every square foot of tile. Since the system is capable of providing about 3x that, your thermostat will need cycle on and off in order to maintain a constant temperature. In short, while the system is rated to provide a maximum of 12.7W/sqft, it's not likely that you'll need that all the time, so the operational costs may, in fact, be quite lower. I estimate it to be about 1/3rd of the cost calculated in the video but I'd love to hear from anyone who has real-world numbers to share.
I wonder if running it on solar is completely out of question, because if it is, that will be the law , in California..
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Thank you Isaac. Planning on having a master shower added to our 2nd floor bedroom. I don't believe adding a forced air vent is a viable option. Your video gives me some ballpark $ for planning and what company for the heating system.
Isaac, thank you for your excellent videos. Keep them coming.
Isaac huge fan of your channel and your profession. I am in the HVAC industry and work for a wholesale supplier , I think it would be great for you to look at Viega products for in floor and also plumbing products. Great company and the leader in press fittings. Also good to note is on -in floor systems ( hydronic system) one stat can control several zones.
The industry now has 96% efficient combi boilers - for both heating the home and for the hot water side on appliances.
I'm gutting my tiny master bath and incorporating a same size walk-in closet sometime next year.
The small south facing window will be 4X larger. I debated on solar warmth gained through the floor massing vs how much ditra would block this. Well, the sun hasn't been out in 3 days and it's 38* this morning, so who cares.
Thanks for the info, and luckily, there's already 220 ran to an electric heater that's coming out.
I'm in so. Cal, but I grew up in that area. My daughter lives in Rocklin. Great informative video.
Ive gotta give you a standing ovation for your videos. You hit everything it seems like
Great sharing. So much details about the hearing floor.
I love my electric radiant bathroom floor heat. It is the best thing I've ever done to my home. I have helped several friends install it in their bathroom remodels. Nobody regrets it. Everybody loves it.
Ive done these type of floors. And the methods and cost can vary... But a factor that is not calculable in monetary terms, is quality of the floor radiant heat.... It is fantastic. I would highly recommend
Thank you for the information.
Looking at installing heated floor for my kitchen remodel. Which system is better: Strata or Schluter?
What a great resource, thank you very much for taking the time.
thanks for this. My Hubby and I will be putting in a legal apartment in our basement in Canada. We want our tenants to be comfortable. I appreciate your break down.
the guy is right....I spent 10yrs in S.Korea and there floor heat is part of Korea...and it truly well living...it is worth to spend the money on it...Koreans use hotwater though vs. wires...
Thank-you so much for understanding the idea of material cost and installation and heat usage. Thank-you!
I'm in Northern California as well. Tonight felt like the first cold night!! great video as always.
Me too.
It is soooo cold!!! Brrrrrr!!!!
I’m laughing right now those aren’t even cold temps
Eduardo Bermudez I don’t know if you’re being rude or not lol. But I’m from California so 30 degrees is cold for me.
Just a comment regarding the 8hrs. Even though you have the thermostat scheduled for 8hrs (eg. 6-9am and 5-10pm), the system may not actually be running 100% of those 8hrs. Depending on the temperature you have your floor set at, the thermostat usually cycles the power/heat on and off to maintain the desired floor temperature. We have our floors set to 82F when it's on which is plenty warm in my opinion and out of the 5.5hrs that it's scheduled to be on, it's only really heating about 3.5hrs of that time.
In Canada electricity is insane. But if I were building a new home or advising a client I would 100% go with heated floors via hot water system for entire home along with walls and ceiling spray foam. So efficient and really the cost difference these days is fairly small.
Till you get a leak . Like vampire taps on a ice maker
Thanks for your dedication in coaching others and providing such great information. I’m going for my certification next month! 💪🏽 let’s keep the trade going!!!
Gustavo Tirado I’m in the HVAC trade and have much respect for your trade. I don’t think there’s going to be a drop off of need for good tile installers unless there’s another major recession. I wish I had heated the whole floor in my master bathroom and not just where we stand at each sink.
Thank you for sharing that but I am curious to know what is the power consumption on the radiant heat pipe?
Thank you for discussing costing
Thanks for the video! Warm wire (and heat matrix mat) is what I use the most, and install 10-15 systems per year. Last year I installed a couple of 400-500 sf systems, and had to split them in to several zones (and supply a relay). Two years ago we installed a warm wire in a Master bathroom and the client had us install it everywhere (as in the entire floor, tub deck, curb, shower pan floor, bench and walls of the shower....she didn't want to touch cold tile anywhere). Also, the electrician always does the hooking up on our projects and I always install an additional temperature sensor (as a back up).
May I ask what type of licence one has for tile installation in your area? Here in Colorado there aren't any credential requirements, though most guys will carry a liability policy. Also, some of the cities require a shower pan "flood test", but most of the counties don't...so not a lot of oversight.
One other (unrelated) thought on heated floors, I have often had clients want me to install an "off the shelf" heat mat from Home Depot in the center of the room, as the often assume that it will be adequate to heat the entire floor. I always talk them in to custom or not at all, as I have heard too many complaints from clients having "cold spots" in floors that were installed with out full coverage..
@@TileCoach Thanks for the reply!
Well Done Coach. One Thing that needs to be considered, especially in Warm Climates is the Fact that You'll be warming the Floor and the Room And at the same Time Cooling the Airspace, with Your Air Conditioner, which would tend to Add to Your Energy Cost. Not that I wouldn't be Giving a Thumbs Down to Ditra Heat being installed in the Bathroom and Even the Master Bedroom But I think it needs to be Said...
Really love to watch your videos. always inspiring to get your from-the-other-side-of-the-ocean view. but after all i am shure that kerdi schlüter is your main sponsor... :)
Isaac, how long does it take to heat up your 73 sq ft bathroom after the system kicks on? I'm just curious as I would probably want to turn it on manually instead of having it on a timer but I always figured these would take quite a bit of time to warm up the floor.
Thanks for the information. I appreciate it. I want to replace a back porch with a bathroom with heated flooring. We are in the north east usa. Gets well below freezing. Underneath this bathroom it is unheated. Is it worth it? And will the heated tile flooring help keep the water lines from freezing? Thanks for any input you can give me on this
One thing in the wattage calcs. Since the cable is sold in specific lengths it doesn't specifically vary by sq footage but in steps and it depends if you're installing for heat or warmed tile in terms of cable density per SQ foot/wattage a sq foot. My install in a home with hydronic towel rack and warmed tile at shower and vanity on a programmed schedule consumes very little compared to the same bathroom using the floor as the heater.
We are in upstate New york. I pay 13 cents per kilowatt. We have a living room dining room and hallway ditra heat under vinyl tile planks. Over 700 sq ft. Using 240... it's only using 3 KW hours per day and it runs 24/7. (Vinyl flooring does not hold the heat.)
Ceramic Tile floor is much warmer and a better suited as we have that installed in our kitchen...
But the material and labor savings using the vinyl tile over ceramic tile... it's so cheap to run.. we're glad we used vinyl tile...
Last thing I would recommend you use the company Warmly Yours. You get a much more even heat distribution but it's much more labor intensive to install... We have both systems in our house..
Wow! Thanks for this breakdown. Was looking to use heated floors in our current remodel. I won’t be using this method. If you’re familiar with it, Can you do a review on radiant heat flooring?
Isaac, try the Suntouch thermostats, I believe most Home Depot's carry them but they are much nicer then the Schluter ones. They also come with a sensor of their own, plus the one from the Schluter heat cable so you get to install a spare. Suntouch tstat with wifi is still only about $220
My cousin who does tile applications and wood floors ONLY uses Schluter Systems under his tile work!! He says they are the best and he’s tried them all. Best for floor underlayment and for shower buildout. Having the cable inside the channels also protects the cables from damage which laying it on top of underlayment does not. Schluter looked much more substantial than the other channeled brand he showed. I have found after enduring the building of a house and doing 3 different house remodels cheaper is NEVER better. You get what you pay for. Like Mike Holmes says “do it right the first time”.
Excellent video. I'm new to this product and concept. Very informative!
I’m planning on a remodel
I’ll put in floor heat in the bath just for comfort
You get quite a lot of apartments here in the Netherlands which are now being built with heated floors being the only source of heating in the house. Combined with high energy efficiency e.g. double glazing etc, it makes for a very cozy economical home.
What is “double glazing”?
@@monicaduby1362 common windows with insulated glass.
Great video and great information,but for the 240 shouldn't it be 10 wire?im no electrition,but have done my fair share.im looking to install my first ditra heat floor.ive done the cheap home depot mats and done one years ago with the clips and floor leveler.this system however seems legit
Another great video! You are great man!
I just looked we’re at .0685 cents per kWh in Portland. We export a lot of power to Cali so it makes sense. It’s cheaper yet if you live in the gorge and switch to wind energy.
Great video! Best explanation I’ve seen so far.
Hello I install insulation in crawl spaces and ran into a house that is installing a heater floor. On the tule guide it says to not install more than R-20 and that’s 6” insulation but the house calls for R-30 10” would the that be an issue it all?
I've been using NuHeat for over 20 years now. I prefer the mat over the strand. Customers love it and had never had any issues and it's far more affordable than the Schluter system. Just wondering if you've ever had any experience with NuHeat? It's all I reccomend, anymore.
Nevermind heated tile bathrooms, can you use this on a concrete slab house? My living area is on a concrete slab and the carpeting on top of the slab. Very cold in the winter months (I live in NJ). I was told very expensive to install heated floors whether we replace carpeting or go with hardwood floors.
Did two myself so my cost is nowhere near this. Ditra heat membrane is a little over $3/ft2 at HD. I have used Danfoss cable and it fits perfectly in the Ditra membrane about $2/ft2 at SupplyHouse. Use a Honeywell floor heat Tstat for about $110. In a shower need to use Kerdi so that adds a little. Did them both in my house so no need for an electrician.
In a master shower I would highly recommend. Nice to walk onto a warm floor first thing in the morning!
First off - great video. The best I've seen on this subject. Also a great reply to Super Afranks on the Contractors license requirements in CA. As a GC I've looked into this quite a bit for my Clients. One thing to note is that slab on grade electric floor heating is VERY inefficient. This is even more so in California (I live here also) because there is no insulation under the slab like is used (or should be) in colder areas of the country. Since the slab is directly on the ground, by some estimates, the slab soaks up up to 70% of the heat generated by the cables. Basically you are heating the ground under your house - which is virtually impossible. Yes, it feels great on your feet. Yes, you will heat the air in that room to an extent. But the cost to heat the air is MUCH more than the cost to use your HVAC unit with natural gas (which is used almost exclusively in my area). As an example, my entire house gas bill goes up about $40-$50 a month in the winter (southern California). Compare that to the cost for the 225 SF in your example. I'm not saying that it is not worth it. I'm just saying that the savings on heating the overall house (or even in these individual rooms) is minuscule. The way to go for in floor radiant heating is definitely not electric like others have noted in the comments. The possible exception might be if you have the $$ to invest in a solar system that is sized for this kind of heating - which would be quite large for a 1500+ SF house.
@@TileCoach Hi Isaac. About 10-12 years ago I had Clients who wanted heated floors in their master bathroom. It was before Ditra Heat or at least before I had heard about it. I talked to the local Rep for the system I was looking at. I don't remember the name of the product. The Rep said that going over an uninsulated slab was so inefficient that he recommended a particular insulated panel with a built-in radiant barrier. It was 7/8" thick before the thinset to adhere it and before the thinset to float over the wires. The added height was around 1 1/4" before tile. The Clients didn't want to have that much of a step into their bathroom so they decided against doing any heated floors at all. At least the Rep was honest enough to let me know instead of just trying to sell his product.
Love it I install lots of this in Canada an like to use the Newheat cable an thermostat
That was an awsome video for doe of us that also install tile. Very informative! Thanks
On the 73 square foot, was that on the overall space of the bathroom or the usable radiant floor space?
Video autoplayed on me... I'm glad I am able to do this kind of work myself. Everyone who wants nice things but isn't rich should learn some DIY skills. I did 80sqft for about $400 - no contractors. The only Schluter stuff I bought that was the Ditra-Heat membrane because Schluter is hollier than thou... You can get safe reliable wire, sensors, and thermostats for a fraction of the price from other manufacturers.
Hi Isaac, Amazing work once again! Truly enjoy your videos. One thing to consider when determining kw costs are "tier" pricing. Your costs of .11 cents per kw is based on the lowest tier which unfortunately will not be what you actually pay (unless you are ONLY using the bathroom heating as a source of your house's entire energy use). In central California the tier price easily hits .32 per kw. I don't know if the US average that you used has tier pricing. I suppose it depends on the provider.
Nice price breakdown. How much height does this system add to the subfloor? Looks like maybe 1/2"?
Did Nu Heat throughout. Benefits: ditched central heating and gas, gained space used for ducting we no longer needed, heat is passive so doesn't dry out the air, cause your feet are warm thermostat can be lower, and biggest benefit was our energy bill without gas was 40% lower. Even changed to electric hot water on demand which also dropped our electric bill another 30% - no hot water tank.
What would you think about using this as the only heat source in an alaska cabin? 20*20?
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks. Good idea on costs. Am in the middle of a bathroom make over from a goat pen, so this is interesting.
Heated floors are wonderful. What about a hydronic heated floor? My boiler (in Michigan) has a second set of coils that were meant to heat the driveway, but if I add on, they'll go to heat the slab of the addition.
Are these systems enough to hear the whole house? Or do you still need your central heating system?
I'm am electrical contractor and I'd say the detra heat membrane is great but the cable/thermostat price is crazy. For around 75 sq.ft. I pay around $120 for the cable and $110 for a programmable digital thermostat. So $230 Canadian. So $175 usd.
but the cost of our hydro is more expensive...so he's probably right. as of 2020: Off-peak10.1 ¢/kWh.
Mid-peak14.4 ¢/kWh.
On-peak20.8 ¢/kWh.
Awesome video. I just installed one of these systems for the first time and I was wondering what the cost to run it daily might be.
I wonder about the 8 hours a day of run time. I find I can turn on my floor heat and get from 63 to 73 in 15 minutes. I really dont think they run 8 hours a day.
Its been a year since this post. How about an update? Regrets? Wish you knew before things? Glorious?
Thank you
I have small rooms. What about those under rug heat pads? Are they as efficient as those dedicated systems without all the installation costs?
$13 a sqft covers the cost of infloor heat. That includes the wire, thermostats mats, mud and labor. Tile and grout supplied my customer.
In what state? That's far too cheap for a heated floor buddy
Can this same system be used for laminate and or wood floors?
Hi Isaac, Do you use a OSB subfloor primer before putting down mortar whether in a shower or not wet areas? Kiilto Start Primer is one I found, that is a dust retarder as well, roll on application. Asking because I am installing warmup peel and stick membrane, going over subfloor and want a nice clean dust free dry surface before installing. What do you go with usually?
Canadian Maritimer here. I have had 2 homes with infloor hotwater radiant homes heated by electric on demand boiler. Would not have any other heating systems due to the efficiency, warmth and ease of care associated with these systems. I had a 3 story home with concrete subfloors throughout and feel the construction costs were reasonable and payback was through low maintenance, low heating costs and increased resale value.
Did you include in your labor price also installation of Ditra? Thank you
Can this be used with a laminate wood floor?
I loved the video! I'm a bit of a data nerd in addition to being fascinated by building techniques so this really appealed to me. Not to get too nerdy but I would suggest separating the costs between 'costs per square foot' vs. 'fixed costs' vs. 'variable costs'. The one big question mark that seems to be throwing off all the numbers is the electrical, so I would remove it from the equation and quote the job per square foot, plus electrical (whatever that turned out to be).
Work out your 'per square foot' costs for cable, membrane, and tile labour. These costs should be the same whether it's a small room or a large room if you keep extra materials for future jobs and don't throw away the rest of the roll/package/etc. So, if a 135 sqft roll of membrane costs $290 then it's $2.15 per sqft. Doing this makes it much easier to estimate a job. When you're able to purchase larger rolls of cable because you're doing more jobs, this cost will go down.
Then, you have your fixed cost... the thermostat. This is tiered since you need one for every 225 sqft.
And finally, you have your electrical which is a big unknown, so add it as a an additional cost and give a wide range estimate.
This allows you to quickly size up a room and provide a ball park estimate to a home owner because you know your cost per square foot plus the thermostat for every 225 sqft and then quote electrical as an extra, dependant upon inspection and give a range.
I found the operational cost estimate very interesting! That was not something that I have ever seen broken down before so thanks for that. :-)
I think the presenter did very well. Pricing a job size is more easier to understand vs. by sq. ft. Also keep in mind that there aren't a lot of options for cable size-so by room size is the best approach
Hi how much did you take for Instalation 1000 sqf tile + ditra heat NC
great helpful video. But there are plenty of lower cost nonSchluter heating systems like Warmall for less. I put in my last house spare bath for $300 all in, and doing it again in a week for maybe 400 all in. Also the wattage is just for when the element is running. Most of the time it is off waiting for the thermostat to turn it on again. a 400 watt rated system is really only gong to cost a couple dollars a month to heat a kitchen or master bathroom, like running a few incandescent light bulbs part time. Heck my Tesla only costs $25 a month to keep charged up at home. My big hot tub costs more like 40 a month though that is outside in Canadian winter.
Great video! Plus the tile cost!
Buying a house with a heated floor.. And the piles in the house we want to change.. But is there a possibility that we can put piles on piles without demolishing the old piles without loosing the heating?
your the tile expert, how can labor for tile only be $500? i am a GC and my tile guy charges me that amount per day and a typical 80sft takes 2-3 days and runs me in the range of 100-1500. am i getting over charged? idk $500 seems low. maybe you can help me understand. thx
Kick ass vid. Great job.
This is a well thought out video. You did plenty of research. Thank you. You have 2 math mistakes which you might want to put a bubble on when they appear. The membrane is $290 for one, or $580 for 2 (not $480). Also, you have a small mistake at the cost per day: .11 x 8 = .88 (not .89). I'm not a math teacher, and I don't care about these mistakes, but if you might want to correct it. Again, thank you very much for the video!! I have electric heat in my bath. It's wonderful.
I can't say enough about how much I liked having heated floors. Den and bath room. Use water so you can switch from which ever is cheaper to heat the water. I saw a video where the "owner" had heated floors under the marble. Even the marble floor in the elevators were heated. Now that is living. I am sure he must have had a nice house as this was on his yacht.
super helpful. thanks man! NorCal!
Also of note, CA is brutal with their “tiered pricing” of electricity so a kWh isn’t a constant cost, and this type of setup using electric resistive heating can easily put you up into the next tier if you have the thermostat programmed to heat that bathroom floor every morning
Great video. Thanks so much.