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- Chicken eater gets into full-blown debate with #vegan (must see)
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The fact that we need to argue with people for them to have empathy and compassion is scary
Exactly! Somehow my argument too.
Cope
Very scary
You don't! You just eat what you want ,and let others do the same
@@mhl8396you are making this about yourself Pleasures when this is about actual living innocent sentient animals. These innocent sentient animals are suffering because of people who are allowing this torment to continue. When you know the truth and you know how they're being tormented to death why would you support that? Did you lose your compassion?
A quick 30 second chat with that guy at the end was enough to convince him. A 22 minute chat with the other "I'm too lazy" guy still wasn't sufficient. If your heart is in the right place, and you care enough, then laziness doesn't come into the equation at all.
Yeah, I think it was more stubbornness than laziness on Jordan's part. I hope the truth weighs on him and he changes.
Truth
Vegetables and fruits are bad for you
@@shaneboxhall1614 the only bad thing is your comment. Maybe learn some facts about nutrition before writing bs comments on RUclips. Thanks.
@@Phaseriffic I have learnt some facts about nutrition, for example vegetables oils are toxic and fruits are more sugar then vitamins and or minerals
Easily one of the most influential vegan out there alongside Yourofsky and Earthling Ed. One day we will get to experience a life free from animal slaughter. Sooner than what the likes of Peirce Morgan thinks
Mate, I hope you're right, but the sad thing is veganism is probably not gonna go mainstream until lab grown meat is affordable and widespread. I've talked to a lot of people, from friends to internet strangers, and I've yet convince anyone to change, even those whom I thought were empathetic and most likely to care
@@notsoma Plant based versions of meat tastes almost identical now. They've even perfected sharp vegan cheese. People don't need to wait decades for lab stuff.
@@Empathy4Animals411 I agree, I mean even if there were no meat substitutes, it would still be moral obligation to go vegan. Problem is that isn't going to happen. Also, meat substitutes are still more expensive, are not available everywhere, and are not nutritionally the same.
What I'm trying to say is that change will accelerate when lab grown meat is just as easy and cheap to buy as the alternative. Yes, I realize how bleak and cynical I sound like.
@@Empathy4Animals411 unless you’re a really good cook it doesn’t taste identical at all
@@notsoma Certain products being more expensive is only temporary as it changes with competition and demand. And thank God they're not nutritionally the same as a dead corpse riddled with tumors and pus and bacteria and growth hormones.
Not sure which side of the fence you're on as you seem to not want a vegan world. You envision what you want to see happen, it's how things work. Try it sometime.
Joey your arguments have gotten better!! Your anger has been integrated and channelled in a more logical way and I’m here for it! ❤️
No logic in comparing the moral worth of a chicken to that of your own father.
I'd eat a parrot.
Yea if parrot was farmed properly I'd also eat it
The first guy will eventually go vegan. I had the same mentality as him for the longest time.
It got to the point where I'd reflect on how an animal had to suffer whenever I bought food/groceries. Though I still felt too 'lazy' to make a change. The thought of having to learn new recipes, having to explain to my friends why I can't eat specific meals at restaurants, etc., having to explain to the family that I can't eat the traditional food we usually eat, the fear of not being able to maintain gym gains due to a reduction in protein intake; these thoughts always stopped me from taking the leap.
Eventually, I just gave it a crack and within roughly 4 weeks I learned a few meals that I liked and I realised I could live comfortably on those meals. Along the way, I've discovered seitan is incredibly diverse in what meals you can add it to and it tastes like real meat if made correctly, not to mention the high amount of protein it provides. I also realised there are some great alternatives to burger paddies and schnitzels for the occasional cheat meals.
Been vegan for over 2 years now. It is super easy once you know what to look for in shops and at restaurants etc.
Fark that 🤦♂️
Joey absolutely at the top of his game, dropping those truth bombs and holding this gentleman accountable for his rights violations. Superb.
Aaaannnnd I wonder if "holding this gentleman accountable 🤣🤣" will make this "gentleman" become vegan?? I know where my wager is gonna be!!
Cool delusion, vegan.
@@Trolloftruth mabie not him, but someone watching with a conscience
@@mrwallygator501 i think you mean someone with the mental depth of a tea spoon.
@@mrwallygator501 spelling is everything when making a point
It’s very simple. These people don’t care about the animals. They come out with all these other points which they don’t really believe in (plants feel pain, we’re more intelligent etc.) but really it comes down to the individual person caring more about their tastebuds than the animals dying for them. Every single time.
Animals dying for food is perfectly ethical.
B12 tho
@@jackson1342 You mean the B12 animals are supplemented with? Skip the animal and take the supplement directly.
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent we're ok, we can choose from the menu for ourselves thanks.
Enjoy your rabbit food, I'll have the rabbit in a stew. Cheerz.
@@evilsbrother8247 I don't think the rabbit would choose to be in your stew - you can't morally justify taking a life for a ten minute meal.
Fair play to you and Jordan for holding a respectful and informative debate, finding common ground in some areas.
Respect Jordan and people like him more for not making up bs excuses and bs justifications. But also it's so easy to be vegan once you've got the mentality switch, and the nutritional know how, so even laziness doesn't cut it, although it's honest.
@@Lyran7 another person who won't stop eating meat no matter what you do
@@shaneboxhall1614 if there's so few vegans in the world, and vegan outreach achieves nothing, why are you saddos so desperate to come to channels with content that you care nothing about, to sound off? It's weird 🤣
@@Lyran7 coz we are sick of hearing you ppl cry and whinge. So if you would kindly stfu that would be great or ... Or actually do something about the things your complaining about and when the world tell you your an idiot and get back in Ur hole learn to shut yours 😀
@@shaneboxhall1614 ..👈👓😩🦠🍖🔴... Jeffrey Dahmer, but worse, you pay others, Charles Manson, proxy, -2 🔴👎🔴👎, over a 5 minute burger etc !!! CuIt🖕foIIowing !!! I was a loser. But now I’m vegan. I don’t hurt animals. Simple really ✅🤷🏼♂️. ruclips.net/video/0EmTTMHjYnU/видео.html .
Bottom line: he doesn’t give a shit. He would prefer not having to take responsibility for his actions. Thank god for the last guy who was affected and who genuinely seemed like he wanted to become a better person.
It seems the last guy is genuinely compassionate. Hopefully, the conversation will plant a seed. I might be wrong, but he also seems somewhat intoxicated? So, it's easy to have a cloudier and forgetful mind in that state, too. But it's a good start, at least.
He "can't argue it" but he is still trying to justify it. He just doesn't want to change.
Your health or the chickens health ? Seriously cognitive dissonance by every Vegan.
@@misty_oar everyone instinctualy knows to eat meat that doesn't mean they can explain it
@sadiebrennon I wouldn’t even have anything to argue. It’s simply just a completely different way of thinking and that is ok. I personally don’t view cattle/chicken/pigs etc as having the same value as human life. You can give me all the reasons why you believe it’s the same, but we just won’t see eye to eye and that’s ok. I enjoy eating meat, do I try and get vegans to eat meat? No, I just personally enjoy meat and there are some vegan alternatives that I’ve had and enjoyed but I’ll never full swap them for meat and dairy because they just aren’t the same. Maybe you’ll think I’m an awful person or ethically cruel but that’s fine cause personally through my perspective I don’t view it the same. Also if I go to store and decide not to grab the steak off the shelves, it’s already been killed and if I don’t grab it someone else will. I just think there are many people like me who just will not view those animals lives the same as humans no matter what argument you try to make and I’m not trying to change ur mind or bash you for being vegan, but I don’t think much will change honestly cause the 2 thought processes are just miles apart.
Superior at being oppressive monsters.
Superior stupidity
Nice cope georgy
@@x-latetv-x6816 just had a look at your comment history why are you seeking out these vegan videos if you disagree so much? guilty conscience?
@@gbf111 no it's because he has no friends 🤣
@@gbf111 Cry
That was a new argument to add to my back pocket: animals are superior to humans in different ways. Love that.
I miss Edmonton so much! You guys have so many great vegan options there. Friggin Doughnut Party is so good 🤤
Humans are animals, so...
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Doughnut party is great! Never disappoints. I wish we had a V Burger like Calgary. Their chickpea milkshake is sooooooo good 😋
Keep fighting the good fight Joey. ✊
All the excuses
i don’t think human animals are superior. nonhuman animals are super cool
Chicken, E🤮xcrement 92%. Pictures included. Peer review science.. 👅💩🦠💊🍗🍳🔴... ruclips.net/video/XwwLExz5QYo/видео.html 🤮. Can have vegan ‘chicken’, without 💩🦠💊❌😉.
We are superior though, even though some animals are "cool"
no one cares about what you think
@@shaneboxhall1614TROLL ALERT!!!!
Let's close all supermarkets, butcher shops and restaurants for a week and we will see how superior humans are.
I've been following you for quite sometime now and the evolution in the level of maturity in your arguments and your composure over the years, is truly commendable my man! 💚
I agree ❤❤❤
He's also gotten more yellow
“ I know it’s wrong, but everyone’s doing it so who cares I like chicken”
Basically.
Thank you Joey 👍
The last one has made the "click" so fast...
Some people just want to ignore the evil, by making dissonance excuses.
Vegans do acts of evil all the time
Are they the same excuses u make for urself when ur feeding ur face with food, whilst ppl starve in Africa…
Incredible activism 👍
Don't activists try and get laws and stuff changed for the animals or whatever cause they are fighting for?
Great debate! Thanks Joey!🌱
The phrase he's looking for is cognitive dissonance.
cope
Good on you, joey. Good work.
Terrible work
Jordan you’re an intelligent guy for sure but I just watched you straw man yourself and go though every single justification with yourself that you admittedly know is flawed 😂 Joey nailed it with “auto pilot” at the end of the day no matter the “justification” it doesn’t justify a life for a 5 minute meal… I hope you reflect on this, you’re too smart to continue on this out dates path bro
Every time you post i slash the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 corr I bet you tried really hard to come up with that one 😂
@@HeIsZee no effort whatsoever. Infact i dont even wield the axe i have employees to do it. I even have employees to deliver the chooks on my behalf. Underprivileged people thank you for your virtue signalling.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 you don’t have to be privileged to eat some pasta mate
@@HeIsZee ok, sure. Whatever you say. 🙂👍
You’re awesome Joey, keep on spreading the truth.
do you still eat meat?
Won't change anything
@@shaneboxhall1614 . 10% now is vegan all over the world. Skyrocketed ✅❤️💹. Shane, 😭💦🧻 ???
@@GarudaLegends . 10% now is vegan all over the world. Skyrocketed ✅❤️💹. GarudaLoser, 😭💦🧻 ???
@@VeganV5912 85 percent of vegans quit
Joey, your non-violent ethics increases your moral worth in the hierarchy of sentient beings. Its Karma. It’s very difficult to do what you do. You are courageously fulfilling an essential dharma. Thank you.
Ok no more hallucinogens for you then.
@@EVIL-en1ym Laying off the soy would probably help
What is violence
Physical harm, dishonesty, stealing, sexual harm, and coveting or greed.
@@krishnaveganathar feel free to bring your claims and accusations about animal ag before a magistrate. Joey tried and was laughed out of the courtroom.
Great debating, Joey. I couldn't do this... just too frustrating.
Yes it becomes increasingly difficult when you have to spin your bs 100 different ways and still be unsuccessful in your attempts to brainwash someone capable of critical and independent thought.
Lmao this guy
@@EVIL-en1ym and you’re capable of critical and independent thought when you have believed the bs that the meat and dairy industry has fed you for centuries? Who’s the one brainwashed? 🤡
Listening to people do mental gymnastics and try to justify their inconsistent logic would be the most difficult part. It’s easier for those to just admit they want to eat meat just because and not make themselves look foolish with so many excuses not to.
@@paulb8251 meat is good for you and most ppl instinctualy know this
Loved both conversations in this video. Sadly what Jordan was describing is what I believe a large part of society are experiencing now. I kept thinking about Melanie Joy’s term Carnism when watching this chat. I love that both participants thanked Joey for his activism. Those that have the attitude that Joey is a steamroller who doesn’t listen are wrong. I’m glad we have Joey and anyone out there doing activism or outreach. If the animals could thank you they would. When you think about all the victims that have been spared because of the work of Joey alone, it is pretty awesome. I too am grateful for what you do Joey. Never give up. Keep positive. Your life is one of service to humanity and animals alike.
Amazing discussion!
Say it everytime, you are incredible Joey, the last guy really looked like he was on his way to become vegan, that's the absolute goal, great work keep it up! ♥️
Being a vegan means isolation and misery
"There's beauty in killing a sentient being who didn't want to die...."
But is it beautiful from the victim's perspective
@Debug Your Brain
"There's a beauty in killing..."
... as Ted Bundy said to his prosecutor (Gary Dobson too 😶).
Pol Pot and Ghengis Khan were vegans
Every time you post from now on i will slash the head off a chicken and donate the meat to a homeless shelter for men.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299
You forgot Charles Manson.
You wanna p×ss a Vegan off?... ya' betta work b×tch.
😁
What is your stance on needless rape, murder, torture, enslavement, and exploitation of domesticated livestock animals...and would you actively support and promote an industry that facilitates the rape, murder, torture, exploitation, and enslavement of billions upon billions of same said domesticated livestock animals?
@@BeardedDevil-cn9tw you need to be more honest and intelligent with your wording when you describe animal ag. Because you just sound like a fool and thats why anytime you bring your concerns before a magistrate, you get laughed out of the courtroom.
The shock shame and revolt terminology simply doesnt work.
People who refuse to acknowledge the blatant fact that animals have as much right to their lives as us humans. Countless times video Evidence shows when an animal a cow for example are in a slaughter house and know that their fellow has been savagely slaughtered in front of them they are in a state of total terror doing everything to resist the murderer in front of them. Only a pure fool could say that they are unaware of what is happening to them. After watching a few videos of slaughter house footage of cows being butchered and seeing pigs being gassed to death. I decided that I could no longer be party to such misery. I didn't touch meat again or any animal products. Thanks for your ceaseless efforts in trying to reach the hearts and minds of the British people Joey. And I am blessed to have come across your channel your winning mate you really are.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🌱
After a few days of frustration and negative thinking, these videos restore my faith in humanity. Thank you Joey, your relentless efforts are making change possible. 🌱🙂✌🏼
Lol I thought the opposite, this was incredibly frustrating to me because of how many pathetic conversations I've had that run that exact course:
"You're right. Paying for animal abuse is a bad thing to do, even if it's for my taste pleasure. But I don't really care. Let's keep suffocating the pigs, slicing the chickens' heads off and raping the cows for some tasty meals and some extra health problems."
Makes me think there's gonna have to be as much activism targeting the supply side as the demand side.
Every time you post i slash the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter for men.
@@main3182 I hope you’re right…. It did take some time for me, but that was because I didn’t know how the animals were being treated, and the logic for why paying for it is bad hadn’t occurred to me, and no one walked me through it. The people I’m referring to are past that point, but I guess it’s still theoretically possible that they’ll get tired of their cognitive dissonance.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 hehe yeah dude, go raise the cancer rates of those homeless men! I’m with you, in fact I’ll join you: you can slash your chickens’ heads off and I’ll slash my dogs’ heads off, and we can donate them to the same shelter. It’s not as if there’s an alternative that doesn’t involve slashing heads off roflmao, anyone who thinks otherwise is trippin’!
@@gotatochigs314 ok cool. I'll probably get a Queens birthday honour and you'll get 5 yrs imprisonment and a massive fine.
Dont forget to play the mental health card. That would be justified in your case dOOd.
Another great outreach video ✊🏼
Great discussion Joey, so many good points raised, too numerous to mention. When he said 'laziness', and guilt being triggered, he's at least being more honest than most. But knowing something is wrong and doing it anyway makes the act so much worse in some respects.
Yes, once you know, you become culpable for your inaction and apathy.
Have some wisdom, you need it.
Neither the oldest man in the world juan vincente perez or the oldest woman, kane takana were vegan or even vegetarian.
Heres a list of cattle and milk biproducts. Tell me another plant that is so versatile. I'll wait.
Candles, cellophane, ceramics, cosmetics, crayons, perfumes, paints, linoleum, mouthwash, detergents, synthetic rubber, floor wax, toothpaste, paper, shoe cream, shaving cream, soaps, pet food, deoderant, insecticides, insulation plastics, photographic film, paint brushes, bandages, wallpaper, emery boards, glues, sheet rock, sporting goods, luggage, boots and shoes, clothing, gloves, belts, purses, wallets.
Insulin, chymotrupsin (promotes healing of burns and wounds), pancreatin, glucagon (treats hypoglycaemia and low blood sugar),,heparin (anti coagulant), liver extract (treats anemia) vitamin b12, bone marrow (treats blood disorders), soft cartilage (plastic surgery), bone meal (calcium and phosphorous), prolactin (promotes lactation), pressor hormone (regulates blood pressure), vasopressin (used for renal patients), ACTH (treatment of arthritis and allergies), blood factors (treatment of haemophilia, viruses, and making anti rejection drugs), iron, thrombin.
Tyres, antifreeze, asphalt, adhesives (for motor industry), numerous lubricants and fluids, steel ball bearings (contain bone charcoal).
Then there are the hundreds of dairy products which i wont bother listing.
This is why you vegan nitwits will never stop meat and dairy production. Because you depend on it ever single day.
You can't eat your way out of being the reason animals go to slaughter. That's not how agriculture, nature, or life works.
Just because you don't patron the meat aisle doesn't mean you do not utterly depend on livestock as much as the people who do. It just means you don't know how the system works, and the scammers who preach veganism are counting on that.
"Deep in your heart you know it's wrong!" No, deep in our hearts we know you're just stupid and immature.
Every time you post i slash the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter.
Lets feed the hungry.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 Grow up!! what goes around comes around.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 seventh brigade troll
Joey… Thank you so much! I admire you greatly!! 🥰🌱
“You can’t poke holes in the vegan argument” the only choice is to be apathetic and they have unfortunately chosen, i hope they change
Joey you do an awesome job of talking slowly in simple speak to give carnivores a chance to understand.
Great activism Joey, thank you.
Joey doing amazing work again!
No more animal exploitation! Wonderful vegan content, here to spread the much needed message of animal liberation.
Animals health or your health ? Simple question.
"I believe we have a superiority complex, and I also believe that we are superior."
You can't make this s* up.
Amazing.
So it's impossible for that to happen?
Yet another great video from joey and his team ,thanks for all the hard work .
Bad joey, go sit in the corner 10 minutes
These are the kind of debates I want to see. People sharing different opinions while being respectful. Unlike others out there who choose being aggressive because they lack arguments to defend their ideas. Wonderful job, Joey💙
Aced this Joey .. Derby lad from meat-eater to Vegan for 5+ years 💚🙏
Thank you Joey 😥
Spends twenty plus minutes explaining how he's too lazy to go vegan
Won't spend two seconds moving his arm slightly to the left or right at the supermarket
@Robert Grayson
America went to war with Herself in order to defend cognitive dissonance.
... is STILL at war with Herself defending cognitive dissonance.
😶
People don't have to go vegan like you don't have to be a meateater
@@x-latetv-x6816
Just like an emphysema patient, doesn't have to quit smoking.
It's their "personal choice".
😽
ruclips.net/video/AfKe_JvqG9U/видео.html
@@x-latetv-x6816 Inane. That's like saying "People don't have to stop abusing their dogs just like you don't have to start abusing yours". You're right, nobody can force you to stop harming animals but if you care about being morally consistent you will choose to do just that.
@@robertgrayson395 Cope
Does superiority justify mistreatment?
Most people wud say no but actually have this superiority complex where parents can do what they want with their kids, boss can mistreat employee, husband can order their wife and so on... Its sad...
I have a learning disability... Does that mean I'm being turned into Synny burgers?? 😱
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First off im against factory farms. They're cruel. But these animals are not alive any where near the level we are. They don't date, they don't go on vacations, they don't form complex social connections, they don't have graduations, ect ect.. I think they should live x amount of years in humane environments suited for them and then be killed in a very quick painless way. Like a sharp wooden arrow or rod thought it's head killing it before then feel anything.
@@klh768 Yeah, dog burgers all the way!
They keep churning out these tired lame excuses and Joey just bats them away simply, calmly and intelligently 👏👏
Aaaannnd excuse or not...still eating animals!! Always will!!
Every time you post I slash the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter for men.
You make people connect to their morals and understand what they are "unconsciously" contributing to. Most people want to turn a blind eye and pretend they're not actually doing anything wrong, because it's painful to be confronted with the reality, BUT more painful to be an animal that didn't choose to be killed for our tastebuds.
even him, who watched documentaries etc. still takes culture and comfort as a justification. that made me think. i guess people really need time to change. so give them time. be inspiring and approach everyone individually.
Farmed table animals dont make choices. They just eat breed sleep, then become food for the masses.
@Vegan-Booty That’s because they are neglected of their choice since they are bred in captivity only to be slaughtered.
@@EVIL-en1ym they don't have to eat the food they can choose when or if to eat it
@@shaneboxhall1614 thats right. Bovine banquet, eat as you see fit.
Great video J
Good activism Joey!!!!!!!!!
The argument about the animals purpose is so weird, I mean we dont breed humans into existience to be living organ donors or something like that…
Yeah it's almost like animals are completely different from humans and don't have the same rights.
Great convo with this guy, chipping away at that laziness or apathy, as opposed to this second guy who just had a gut-reaction. How easy the convos would be if everyone were connected to that gut-reaction. This is why vulnerability Is a strength, because to be empathic takes guts.
Mr. Carbstrong is very good at using the Socratic method in his argument. Best way to argue I feel
Without the socratic paradox the socratic method is faux diplomacy and sleaze.
From now on every time you post i will lop the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter for men.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 ok have fun
Great conversation, thank you for sharing
It's hard to believe some people still defend these things.
In the end the only argument people have against veganism is taste. And killing and causing suffering for pleasure is inherently evil.
@@martingarreis balloon Armageddon (are we just using random words here?)
It sucks bc it just shows that they have never had delicious plant-based food either 😔
@@Alexxb159 it is not delicious
@@GarudaLegends Do you not eat fruits, vegetables, legumes, nuts or seeds?
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent some fruit, and a few veggies. i had vegan food, and it is cringe.
The title should be, Joey carbstrong exposes himself as a racist saying chickens are equal to people of color.
@Homie you must be suffering from brain fog because of malnutrition. I'm a person of color and you're saying that I'm equal to a chicken, therefore I should go vegan because land to grow animal feed is what I should be eating. You're a goddamn racist to!
He didn't say that????
@@ARKSURVIVOR879 but it was implied. I'm headed to a black-owned business right now and ordering extra chicken and no vegetables to fight vegan racism. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
@@Givemeliberty30 you are awesome. i hate how racist vegans are.
@Homie im·ply
/imˈplī/
verb
strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).
His morals align w/ the scary thought of Aliens(Higher Beings) coming to earth, and it is okay for them to exploit us. Animals are so loving, kind, & intelligent. They SIMPLY do not deserve the way (some) humans treat them. 😳😧☹💚💚
We're not more important than any other animal! What gives us the right to think that WE are?! LoL. God help us all, and God bless you Joey!🙏👍👏♥️♥️♥️
Every time you post i slash the head off a chicken and donate it to a homeless shelter for men.
The chickens would want it that way.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 sounds beau T ful
God said we are more important than every other animal, maybe not in those exact words but he did tell us
@@shaneboxhall1614 i believe ya but religion isnt big on my list of stuff to give a fk about.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 ooh the god thing was for the original post lol not religious over here
As always very good work vegan hero! 🙂
Great conversation!
Did nobody else notice that homeless guy??? And we are standing around talking about animals lives and well-being are important #vegan #homeless #humanrights #love #pride
Once I see that their Vegan at Heart, I turn it off. The rest is just scrambling for excuses to continue.
"I don't want to get confused."
... bit late for that kind of talk.
😋
oh my god, the one at the end is giving me so much hope💚i can definitely see them going vegan
It was great to hear Joey say that he is not against lab-grown meat, I really do think it's a step in the right direction.
That's what I think, too.
Thanks for your work for the animals, Joey!
It never ceases to amaze me what bullshit people come up with in a desperate attempt not to admit that they're paying into animal cruelty through their choices.
I eat cruelty free meat and dairy😀
@@shaneboxhall1614 No such thing unless it's cultured
@@GrantH2606 you don't have to be cruel to farm animals lol, infact I'm pretty sure it's against the law to be cruel to animals
@@shaneboxhall1614 exploiting and slaughtering an animal, when there is absolutely no need to, is cruel.
@@GrantH2606 I don't believe that falls under the definition of cruel
"The assumption that animals are without rights, and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance, is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality." -Arthur Schopenhauer
Wow that was one difficult conversation to watch and listen to 🤦♂️
Same logic, difference topic:
“I really understand the non-racist standpoint. I can’t argue with it. But at the end of the day I still want to be a racist and it’s easier to not think about the people I’m hurting”
Why is racism wrong?
The arguments these people make in the name of 'culture' just because they like the taste so much that they have difficulty giving up, forgetting the fact that it was 'culture' that oppressed women, it was 'culture' that had human sacrifices and so on. Joey tried really hard to make him realise. Hope he does, soon.
If humans are so superior and have so much potential, then why don't we start acting like it?
arent we? look at you typing on electronic device sending messages around the globe
@@kozarozmata6016 Whilst also destroying the planet that we need to survive on and killing each other in wars.
@@garibaldi54 indeed, superior with much potential. Not used good but still is there
Ever wonder why we aren't extinct yet?
@@vzzz9648 It won't be long. The dinosaurs lasted 1000 x longer than we will.
Superiority is not a valid justification to kill an animal. Superiority should make you protect defenseless beings not oppres, kill or exploit them.
Even if we are superior (which I agree with), do not rationally lead to violence towards inferior
This was so hard and frustrating to watch ! This young guy is super healthy but it won’t stay that way if he continues to eat meat. His arteries will clog and develop all sorts of ailments. He needs to do a practical in a slaughterhouse ! And how about the destruction of our planet for crying out loud ! Joey, you have so much patience. I just wish we had the power to have people experience the life of a chicken for a day. That would change things ! Thank goodness for the last person. It made my blood pressure lower a bit.
Lies
Thank you Joey!
Joey for Prime Minister. :)
During the first part of this, the older guy next to Joey, I think he's just super hungry and I want to scream "JUST FEED HIM THE VEGAN YUMS ALREADY!". lol I hope he eventually got some. :)
7:13 I almost vomited in disgust.
You're not celebrating life; you just like the taste of chicken.
Haha no one cares
I hear people like this talk and all I want to do is move to the middle of nowhere to live alone.
That's a good shout, something I have been working towards for years.
@@OM617a it is possible! Imagine the peace of mind. Can't wait.
@@electron-Volt Definitely, I have always looked at the south of France, great climate to grow food and lots of space.
lol. i will still eat meat
@@GarudaLegends lol you can eat children if you want to, like you say nobody will stop you.
A conversation with a half drunk person is always going to be one sided, it would great to see this discussion again on a level sober ground
Love the conversation. If you've seen dominion how can you not go vegan
Thank you!!! I know I could not even watch it, I cannot even handle 30 seconds of watching cruelty.....Vegan almost 3 years.
I'd rather be happy
@@wheatstonebridge Exactly. You are unwilling to change. Change doesn't equate unhappiness.
Because I'm not soft and weak minded
@@antibigotpolice that's exactly what you are
Hey joey! I have a quick question… I’m curious to know whether the Duchy range in waitrose is ethical and what they state is true. It would surprise me if it is but it will be quite interested to figure this one out as they promote this range and stand by it! when I wasn’t a vegan I ate it and still don’t know to this day
What do they do? Just curious
He is just saying. Might makes right. And he doesn’t see the benefit for living in line with his own values by being vegan
Because there is absolutely no benefit from being vegan
There is no excuse for veganism
@@Trolloftruth haha your sarcasm is funny
@@veganix6757 no sarcasm
I'm not vegan
There is no excuse for veganism
@@Trolloftruth lol. Vegan is for people who are against animal abuse
@@veganix6757 did I mention that I'm not vegan?
Appreciate it!🌱
An Australian walking round the UK shouting at people who eat a different diet to him. When did this become a thing?
Legend! Thank you joey
Carnivores just won't accept their intelligence or empathy hasnt evolved beyond 'ugg' 'grr'
What carnivores are you talking about, lions, crocodiles?
Keep it up, Joey!🙏
And he already watched Dominion........I don't even think I can watch Dominion and I am Vegan........💔💚💔
Its because our bodies know the meat is packed with nutrition. That's why we turn a blind eye to the cruelty. The argument doesn't come to mind because society tells us it's unhealthy but the body knows better. It's our evolutionary food, every animal is edible to a Human.
Exactly
There isn't a single nutrient we can't get from plants that are in flesh. Where do you think the animal gets it's nutrients from?
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent Creatine, taurine, EPA, carnosine, DHA, choline, carnitine, creatinine, CLA, omega 3 fatty acids, choline, heme-iron, anserine, k2, collagen and that biggy - b12. They all need to be converted and that can lead to issuess in some. There is nothing to say that any person will be able to convert all of these nutrients which is why do many run into health issues in veganism.
Herbivores have distinctly different bodies to Humans. Their large guts are specialised for making the most out of their low quality diet. They have a Cecum that ferments the plant matter into something more useful to the animal which is why a lot of them eat their own poop. We once had a Cecum too but nowadays it's called the appendix.
@@trevorbletso2133 CAN lead to issues for some. Just like the saturated fat and cholesterol in meat, dairy and eggs DOES lead to issues for many. B12 is the only one that needs to be supplemented - the animals you eat are supplemented so skip the middle man.
The incredibly remote possibility that someone will have issues healthwise does not condone the slaughter of 80 billion animals per year.
Convince all the major dietetic associations and then we can chat. Unless you know better than all the dietetic professionals?
@@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent I'm sorry but it's really easy to find visually declining health in vegans. I regularly see new accounts from ex-vegans who had to go back to meat because they couldn't take it any more. It is not a "remote possibility". You're either just choosing to ignore it or you're simply not looking.
It’s laziness yet he left his home today to go to wing fest?
You are amazing Joey. Love you very much, keep up the good work on behalf of the animals.
His only rebuttal, the single push-back, argument he had was: "Yeah"... He thought he was raising good points and winning, but it was all built upon the foundation that 'killing animals is good 'cause they're different'.
Honestly i've been thinking about activism and i think the best way so far to do it is to pretend you believe the extreme opposite of what you do.
For example, instead of debating people about the theme "Animal lives matter", perhaps you could put the theme "Animal lives dont matter". And then while arguing, you put on extreme propositions such as, torturing a trillion animal lives with the goal of saving a single human fetous is worth it. People are gonna get so disgusted by your opinions that they'll try their hardest to go to the other extreme on their points, ending up going torwards veganism. You could also mock them " you look like those vegan freaks with what youre saying ". I think for this to work, you cant end telling them the truth and just go all the way with your acting
Yeah one thing that also works is advocating to farm cats and dogs or talking like you own a charity that tortures animals because its fun to that
shame on the animal abusers and people who support it.
From now on every time you post, i will take the head off a chicken with a small axe and donate the meat to a homeless shelter for men. Atleast then you will have a tangible reason to feel morally superior.
Lol ok
@@wheatstonebridge what's funny about it
Cope
@@antibigotpolice good one, repeating some tired lame-o word again and again that all the dumb kids use... bye loser have fun talking to yourself.
Amazing activism Joey
Just because its valued less doesn't mean it has no value or deserves no rights.
Well isnt that happening already?