I use slice and dice all the time leveling my rogue, it's actually a really effective way to kill mobs bc you only need 1-2 combo pts for SnD to last for the entire duration of the fight. Don't just stick to one rotation, figure out what is most effective and engaging for you.
How come the 1% dodge isn’t acknowledged as useful for pve? You said “you’ll never be tanking so it doesn’t matter”, but doesn’t it mean less damage taken over time and so less downtime between mobs?
I always loved Night elf rogues for the looks and the racial passive. Of course they are not as broken as other, but still I always prefer the race above the better bonuses.
Meh when you say the races in classic wow matter alot you should caveat that with "if you are trying for hardcore pve/pvp" If you are not trying to be a top tier world first guild in pve or a rank 14 in pvp than the race can essentially be looked at as purely cosmetic.
Little tip for new rogues... don’t spam sinister/eviscerate. If you garrote, 1 point rupture, 1 sinister, 1 point slice & dice then do your combo you will save a ton of time eating compared to the face tank noobs. In the long run it will speed up your lvling.
That clickbait thumbnail though, this pretty much taught nothing. Slice n dice is quite worth it at rank 2 lvl 42 btw. "Same rotation as lvl 1" I actually lol'd
This is what works for me and my brother. Dual swords, garrote from stealth and then Immediately hit sin strike then SnD. You can then build up points much faster. Kill faster because you’re hitting faster. And of course this is situational. If you’re caught out of stealth you obviously can’t use garrote. You may have to sap first or you may have to switch up your attacks depending on the situation but typically that is what we do.
I'm a dagger rogue. Always have been, always will be. Not sure why lol but that's rogue to me. I am a stealth addict as I pick pocket as I'm sneaking around. As for SnD, I use it from my stealth opener. If it's a heavy armored mob, I expose armor. Works wonders.
Rotation stays same from 1 - 60 ? Even in 1v1 i allways use SnD after level 42 - i like to open up with cheap shot in pve against 2 mobs too - stun neglects some damage and 2 combopoints allows you to instantly use snd with bladeflurry to melt 2 same level mobs in just barely over 10 seconds
Blood Fury the best racial if you want your healers to stop healing you and letting you die. Seriously roll the class you think look the best and if youre into min maxxing the haste bonus from Trolls will end up scaling better with gear.
My main interest is having fun doing PvP as a Rogue. Would be a Dwarf or an Orc more advantageous in terms of 1) racial trait 2) opponent and your faction's races 3) faction-specific classes?
I'd say Orc is better. His racial that gives stun resistant is so OP it got nerfed 3 times in later expansions. Also, shamans were imo more useful at PVP than pallys were in classic. The windfury buff is really cool and helps melee dps a lot
Sorry but I couldn’t finish this video. While there are better Alliance races for rogues such as gnome and humans, night elves aren’t all too bad. Sure 1% dodge doesn’t seem like much but what do you mean rogues don’t tank. Leveling as melee in Classic is a bit tougher than casters and ranged because you have to face tank the mobs you’re fighting. Sure in dungeons and raids of course you aren’t the tank. That’s like advising people not to take Evasion to save money...
@@relog Undead is better, WOTF + PvP trinket = Un-CCable, Cannibalize is like a 2nd bandage if there are nearby corpses and they're by far the coolest looking race in the game. Orcs are too fat and ugly to be rogues. Also, slight shadow resist for those pesky locks and spriests.
Rogue in classic WoW was popular because they were the least complex characters. Out of their whole move set they rotate about 3 of their moves with the added combination of combo attacks and having no mana or rage that they needed to gain in order to deal damage..
"least complicated" Hahaha haha. Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. Rogue pvp is highly positional, takes very high activity, precise timing, use of dead zone and the full use of many more than "3" abilities. "no mana or rage" right, because they use energy, which has a fixed regeneration rate and must be tick timed and managed to be successful against good players. What a stupid remark. Easy to play (like any class) , but very high skill cap.
Rogue is not easy. You must keep weapon swings and its hard too gear up, hard too get slot in raid/dung. If you want easy take mage or warlock 1 spell rotation and realy usefull for team. I talk about PvE. And rogue its a nightmare too lvl up. Propably hardest too lvl or one of the worst. I know what im talking becouse i play rogue many many years. Now i go mage... i want too chill and relax :).
NOT 25% CHANCE. Ohhh, this is vaulty. He doesn't ever know what hes taking about. its 25% increase from your current chance, so if 8, then 10. Don't watch this dudes videos
What do you mean the cast majority of beat in alot items are swords? You can only have one best in slot item.... For each alot.... you can't just say most of the best in slot items are swords because that's the whole purpose of BIS.... Identifying the ONE item that is best for that slot.
Night elf you are mistaken about, with power really.. Shadow Melt, if you make a macro, using shdaowmelt+stelath in it you have a plan b+ vanish that is for free.. All it takes is a lil away, so if pvp.. simeply a grogue, are you about to die in PvE or see a new stun is needed and no inteurpt ready, you can do the same and place a stun.. But with that said human is better.. but night elf is far from useless. :)
Shadowmeld can be clutch for a rogue when your sneaking around. Stealth has a cool down. So you can drop stealth for whatever reason and instantly disappear and wait the 5sec to restealth. When I'm low health and I'm being hunted in stealth in pvp you can eat/meld and get to full without a trace... Is it better than swords/human... All I can say is flip is bis lol
As far as i've heard weapon skill does have effect in pvp but both weapon skill and defence are calculated as if they were maxed out according to your level when attacking another player. At max level i don't know the exact calculations, but with the little i do know i can only assume that 5 extra weapon skill gives you (5 x 0.04%) of all the weapon skill advantages, and 0.2% extra is really not that big of a deal.
@@austinowens2451 I'm not saying its bad by no means . I'm just saying there is nothing better than improved sprint + wotf IMO . Hardiness is definetly 2nd best in my book though!
@@austinowens2451 well WotF has far more usage in pvp then hardness. if you are only fighting things that stun then hardness for sure but if you fight others like mages locks priest wars. then WotF is far better. as a undead warlock all i have to do is get one fear on a rogue or really most classes and they are dead. i can live though most stun locks atm
Definitely nothing close to a comprehensive guide . . . essentially a "fluff piece". Nothing about professions, very little about types of rogues and what they're good at, nothing about which stats to shoot for, zip about calculating "combat power" (how powerful your rogue is in combat), one's expected role in a group, roleplaying considerations, etc.
Bro of you need to resist a stun as a rogue your playing wrong because you literally have a no you stun and in a Dungeons and Raids if your rotation is correct you won't pick up threat and that's not to hard whit some practice play Troll because of their massive damage to beast enemies amd Frenzy that makes them do like a trilon dmg and big atk speed boost and the crazy regeneration but it falls off a bit + you're only resisting stuns if I see a Ork in PvP I Polly or sleep so better go undead for PvP and get poisons and engineering to break free from stuns and such
The only time the weapon racial abilities are useful is if you want to run Assassination. Which YOU WON'T. Almost all PVE and PVP Rogues will be combat until NAX. (Which is years away.) wherein you get weapon expertise from the spec, essentially WASTING the racial from humans. Which will literally only MATTER for all of one single patch before BC launches. Fact is escape artist is better for pvp. And the damage boost from Night elves is better for PVE dagger rogues. Then for Horde. Orc for PVE, undead for PVP. which is a fractional difference and more preference. As both of them are pretty damn good rogues.
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I use slice and dice all the time leveling my rogue, it's actually a really effective way to kill mobs bc you only need 1-2 combo pts for SnD to last for the entire duration of the fight. Don't just stick to one rotation, figure out what is most effective and engaging for you.
This guy doesnt even know what hes talking about
3:47 "Armor only gives you a slight increase in dps."
Armor is suppose to help me do more damage whilst the weapon buffs my defense, right?
@@Hybridsixtynine heard about stat increase?
@@Hybridsixtynine what are you on about lol
He left out the fact that nelf rogues get an improved stealth...
@@alec7568 1% its rly not that impressive he should've pointed out that Night Elves have increased agility
So about that, you'll never be tanking part.
How come the 1% dodge isn’t acknowledged as useful for pve? You said “you’ll never be tanking so it doesn’t matter”, but doesn’t it mean less damage taken over time and so less downtime between mobs?
I always loved Night elf rogues for the looks and the racial passive. Of course they are not as broken as other, but still I always prefer the race above the better bonuses.
4:04 Hemorrhage is far superior ability to SS. (you can always respec later) 🙂🙂
Edit: You can get it at level 30.
Meh when you say the races in classic wow matter alot you should caveat that with "if you are trying for hardcore pve/pvp" If you are not trying to be a top tier world first guild in pve or a rank 14 in pvp than the race can essentially be looked at as purely cosmetic.
Little tip for new rogues... don’t spam sinister/eviscerate. If you garrote, 1 point rupture, 1 sinister, 1 point slice & dice then do your combo you will save a ton of time eating compared to the face tank noobs. In the long run it will speed up your lvling.
What? 😂
That clickbait thumbnail though, this pretty much taught nothing. Slice n dice is quite worth it at rank 2 lvl 42 btw. "Same rotation as lvl 1" I actually lol'd
As a dwarf rouge you can find treasure as a racial which is VERY usefull for lockpicking leveling!
This is what works for me and my brother. Dual swords, garrote from stealth and then Immediately hit sin strike then SnD. You can then build up points much faster. Kill faster because you’re hitting faster. And of course this is situational. If you’re caught out of stealth you obviously can’t use garrote. You may have to sap first or you may have to switch up your attacks depending on the situation but typically that is what we do.
This was beyond vague and really not helpful. Literally everything is basic knowledge
For some people that's exactly what is needed.
It's not even that, there is quite a bit of wrong info in this video. I recommend looking for information elsewhere
I dont even know what specialization I should get lol
Play as you like.
Lose often.
Clearly he has never played a rogue over lv10 before.
I logged in and can't find the "wowge" class
I'm a dagger rogue. Always have been, always will be. Not sure why lol but that's rogue to me. I am a stealth addict as I pick pocket as I'm sneaking around. As for SnD, I use it from my stealth opener. If it's a heavy armored mob, I expose armor. Works wonders.
Rotation stays same from 1 - 60 ? Even in 1v1 i allways use SnD after level 42 - i like to open up with cheap shot in pve against 2 mobs too - stun neglects some damage and 2 combopoints allows you to instantly use snd with bladeflurry to melt 2 same level mobs in just barely over 10 seconds
its too slow
Blood Fury the best racial if you want your healers to stop healing you and letting you die.
Seriously roll the class you think look the best and if youre into min maxxing the haste bonus from Trolls will end up scaling better with gear.
True but you would only pop the racial when its optimal not when ur getting trained by 5 people in a bg, although troll is better agreed overall
Rogues cant wear axes in vanilla cuz you stated it when talking about orcs
My main interest is having fun doing PvP as a Rogue. Would be a Dwarf or an Orc more advantageous in terms of 1) racial trait 2) opponent and your faction's races 3) faction-specific classes?
I'd say Orc is better. His racial that gives stun resistant is so OP it got nerfed 3 times in later expansions. Also, shamans were imo more useful at PVP than pallys were in classic. The windfury buff is really cool and helps melee dps a lot
orc or dwarf for sure, stone form is insane, and stun resistance is never a bad thing
For my rotation for loving I just use cheap shot,slice and dice,sinister strike,sinister strike,sinister strike,eviserate
Sorry dude but I’m gonna play a Night Elf Rouge. I’m gonna play whatever I want👌🏼💯
same
😂😅 calm down killer
The extra stealth is very good especially against other rogues for pvp
3 years later, but NE Rogue is the best for Rogue tanking/AKA boss soloing. Stack that Dodge!
Also you can do dagger spec and not feel bad about it
Wil of the forsaken is way better than hardiness
It should be noted that night elf rogues and druids have an improved stealth over any other rogue or druid. Defenitely useful for both pvp and pve
I always kept my lockpick up. I mentored rogues in my guild and sometimes even provided protection from mobs while they practiced lock picking
No fucking way would I take 25% stun resist over removing fear or charm lmfao.
You can 1. Do the noob way to lvl up lockpicking doing the boxes
Or you can pickpocket boxes and lvl up that way
Sorry but I couldn’t finish this video. While there are better Alliance races for rogues such as gnome and humans, night elves aren’t all too bad.
Sure 1% dodge doesn’t seem like much but what do you mean rogues don’t tank. Leveling as melee in Classic is a bit tougher than casters and ranged because you have to face tank the mobs you’re fighting. Sure in dungeons and raids of course you aren’t the tank. That’s like advising people not to take Evasion to save money...
Kevin Kim pretty sure he’s referring to raids. Duhh
Lvl 15 you just cant run at same lvl mobs....unless you want to almost die every pull.
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gnomes are great in vanilla pvp escape artist ftw
orc = BiS Rogue
passive 25% stun resis+pvp trinket=NEVER DIE
Consider yourself marginated if you play a gnome. Jk.
@@relog Undead is better, WOTF + PvP trinket = Un-CCable, Cannibalize is like a 2nd bandage if there are nearby corpses and they're by far the coolest looking race in the game. Orcs are too fat and ugly to be rogues. Also, slight shadow resist for those pesky locks and spriests.
just hit 60 on twow love it, going to way out dps my druid when i get into raiding gear honestly
Rogue in classic WoW was popular because they were the least complex characters.
Out of their whole move set they rotate about 3 of their moves with the added combination of combo attacks and having no mana or rage that they needed to gain in order to deal damage..
"least complicated"
Hahaha haha. Sorry but you don't know what you're talking about.
Rogue pvp is highly positional, takes very high activity, precise timing, use of dead zone and the full use of many more than "3" abilities.
"no mana or rage" right, because they use energy, which has a fixed regeneration rate and must be tick timed and managed to be successful against good players. What a stupid remark.
Easy to play (like any class) , but very high skill cap.
Rogue is not easy. You must keep weapon swings and its hard too gear up, hard too get slot in raid/dung. If you want easy take mage or warlock 1 spell rotation and realy usefull for team. I talk about PvE. And rogue its a nightmare too lvl up. Propably hardest too lvl or one of the worst. I know what im talking becouse i play rogue many many years. Now i go mage... i want too chill and relax :).
NOT 25% CHANCE. Ohhh, this is vaulty. He doesn't ever know what hes taking about. its 25% increase from your current chance, so if 8, then 10. Don't watch this dudes videos
I have totally chosen the wrong race and class combos so far. Nelf rogue and a human lock. I stand by my toons though haha
What do you mean the cast majority of beat in alot items are swords? You can only have one best in slot item.... For each alot.... you can't just say most of the best in slot items are swords because that's the whole purpose of BIS.... Identifying the ONE item that is best for that slot.
Night elf you are mistaken about, with power really.. Shadow Melt, if you make a macro, using shdaowmelt+stelath in it you have a plan b+ vanish that is for free.. All it takes is a lil away, so if pvp.. simeply a grogue, are you about to die in PvE or see a new stun is needed and no inteurpt ready, you can do the same and place a stun.. But with that said human is better.. but night elf is far from useless. :)
Just pick the race you like
Thanks so much. It was very informative.
half a video on races, click bait
Rogue cant use 1h axes in classic or tbc.
I want to pvp with rogue but also want look cool so dwarf is not a choice what else can I pick
troll rogues dope
ooga
ye mon
Nelf shadowmeld+stealth is kind of another vanish. So I've always picked nelf on alliance
but shadowmeld can’t be used in combat
Shadowmeld can be clutch for a rogue when your sneaking around. Stealth has a cool down. So you can drop stealth for whatever reason and instantly disappear and wait the 5sec to restealth. When I'm low health and I'm being hunted in stealth in pvp you can eat/meld and get to full without a trace... Is it better than swords/human... All I can say is flip is bis lol
Will you do an episode for every classes?
Why are there so many dislikes...?
mage plz
Why you dont mention Undead rogue as best for pvp. they have free trinket for racial ...
He did mention it.
Do death knight next
number 15, burger king foot lettuce...
undead is my far the best spec for horde due to wotf
As far as i've heard weapon skill does have effect in pvp but both weapon skill and defence are calculated as if they were maxed out according to your level when attacking another player. At max level i don't know the exact calculations, but with the little i do know i can only assume that 5 extra weapon skill gives you (5 x 0.04%) of all the weapon skill advantages, and 0.2% extra is really not that big of a deal.
Much thanks Vaulty! 👍👍
Will of the forsaken is hands down the best racial ability.
I’d argue hardiness would be better. It’s ALWAYS on and a 30% chance to resist stuns is huge for a rogue.
@@austinowens2451 I'm not saying its bad by no means . I'm just saying there is nothing better than improved sprint + wotf IMO . Hardiness is definetly 2nd best in my book though!
@@austinowens2451 well WotF has far more usage in pvp then hardness. if you are only fighting things that stun then hardness for sure but if you fight others like mages locks priest wars. then WotF is far better. as a undead warlock all i have to do is get one fear on a rogue or really most classes and they are dead. i can live though most stun locks atm
@@austinowens2451 It's a 25% stun resist. Not 30%.
Definitely nothing close to a comprehensive guide . . . essentially a "fluff piece". Nothing about professions, very little about types of rogues and what they're good at, nothing about which stats to shoot for, zip about calculating "combat power" (how powerful your rogue is in combat), one's expected role in a group, roleplaying considerations, etc.
wow I ever think that the nigth elf are the best option
U missed the most important thing about resetting AA with talent and sinister strike, and im not even a rogue player. Amateur.
Doing that is very important, but i feel like this is a basics video and that tip doesn't really fit.
Could you talk about Druids next plz ?!
You only can play night elf Druids on the alliance side and troll and tauren druids are not that good in my opinion but i prefer tauren.
Thatz world of warcraft that you play. Yeah yeah yeah thats the world of warcraft you play!
Lol you're funny, Moes.
Bro of you need to resist a stun as a rogue your playing wrong because you literally have a no you stun and in a Dungeons and Raids if your rotation is correct you won't pick up threat and that's not to hard whit some practice play Troll because of their massive damage to beast enemies amd Frenzy that makes them do like a trilon dmg and big atk speed boost and the crazy regeneration but it falls off a bit + you're only resisting stuns if I see a Ork in PvP I Polly or sleep so better go undead for PvP and get poisons and engineering to break free from stuns and such
Why dis you change thumbnail
Did you manage to buy your name back?
Orc rogue can't use axe btw
Please cover hunter
SS spamming is not a good way to play a rogue.
Dwarfs and undead are the Best for rogues and trolls too
What the fuck are you talking about? Only use sinister strike? Dont need to use slice and dice? Dont need to stealth!?! Did you ever play a rogue?
"If you play a Rogue, you play Undead, because of the Will of the Forsaken!!!!"!!!!§1111
This video adds absolutely nothing to the Rogue Starter information that's already out there.
3:24 thats some shit advice, right there.
Fank you for teaching me these fings
Why are you hiding your sub count homie?
people can play how they want there is really no right nor wrong way of playing its a game people can learn and play in anyway
Yea, but there will always be ppl making meta guides.
Undead rogue FTW, nightmare for casters!
with eyes of the beast coming back, i think its going to be more fun to gank as a hunter
Ahh hunters very feared among the low levels!
where tf is your sub count???
Tip 1: Stay away from foot lettuce
He totally forgot Nightelfs...Nightelfs are actully better Rogues than humans, with their Racial ability. This guy doesn't know what he is saying
Do the warlock next plz!
Never really get past Ambush when fighting mobs, it hits like a train one shotting mobs your level. Surprised it wasn’t mentioned
one hitting people in WSG with Ambush and the talent that made it crit 50% of the time was amazing
On top of 25%stun resist you have a base of 5 so its actually 30.
human best choice for alliance. undead best choice for horde. if you aren't sub daggers, you aren't rogue-ing correctly.
raid v raid gnome is master race
I play gnome cause they're smol
Is this a troll?
The only time the weapon racial abilities are useful is if you want to run Assassination. Which YOU WON'T. Almost all PVE and PVP Rogues will be combat until NAX. (Which is years away.) wherein you get weapon expertise from the spec, essentially WASTING the racial from humans. Which will literally only MATTER for all of one single patch before BC launches. Fact is escape artist is better for pvp. And the damage boost from Night elves is better for PVE dagger rogues. Then for Horde. Orc for PVE, undead for PVP. which is a fractional difference and more preference. As both of them are pretty damn good rogues.
the best race is the one you want to play
Hunters talk about hunters!
Do warriors next
Gnomes are gr8 for PvP cause of dagger mastering and escape artist. You didn't mention it but as sub/asa rogue gnome is 1 of the best!
noob Shortblade Specialization
is added in Cata LOL
In finland this thing called, vittu mitä paskaa 😄
Plz do paladin next
Don't even gotta watch, imma gank people in STV
Wow the likes and dislikes are balanced
:Edit don’t tell people how to play, play as you like
I already have a lvl 26 human rouge 😂
“Rogues are the only class with class specific skills” what about conjured mage food lol?
Warlock
My fave class
İ liKe daggers,rogues should use daggers