The thing that sets Tim Duncan apart from the other superstars in the league is the fact he's egoless. He can take criticism and lets his play do the talking. KG needs to hype himself up by yelling at people and playing semi-dirty, bully, basketball. Tim didn't need such antics to get himself amped for a game.
zzDzCzCzz getting yourself hyped for a game is great for mentality, according to sports science. KG set the energy for the players around him, he was a bully on the COURT, which is great (entertainment) he always kept it on the court.
Thing is, he could never bully Duncan Tim would just look at him, shrug and end on down the field leaving KG standing there looking foolish. Shaq says Duncan was the only player he could never get to lose his cool. He says Tim would just shrug, and say ,”
watch the documentary on why he does so. being a quiet player doesn’t mean anything doesn’t define your skill or value. Shaq was crazy animated and he’s better than both
Let's be honest for a sec: They are both great, both HOFers for sure. Sure, Timmy D won more and sure, he produces better numbers today than KG. But don't dismiss KG just like that. KG gave it his all and there can't be doubt those 12 seasons with the Wolves must've taken a toll on his body. So it isn't fair to say KG could've won more with Boston. Or even Nets now. Especially after he's blown his knee in the season the Celtics were looking to defend the chip. Tim Duncan sure has had better career (easy to say day after he's won his 5th ring). But a better player? C'mon. They're both the absolute pinnacle of basketball.
I'd never dismiss KG ever. But I do think Duncan's the absolute best at his position and it's not only the rings that back up that standpoint in my view. But Garnett's probably top five.
I personally love KG & like him a lot more than Duncan but i think Timmy is more fundamentally sound than KG. KG relied a little more on his athleticism in my opinion (which obviously was better than Duncan's). In both their primes, I think KG was better but Duncan has a seemingly ageless game cuz of his fundamentals! i agree with you 100% though! i think KG could've had a much better career with a different team, coach, etc. The Wolves' front office had SO many problems when KG was there; he basically had to do EVERYTHING for that team!
gerizzyYMcrew Don't know what NBA are you watching but Pop didn't put the ball in the basket nor he created Duncan. With your stupid logic, you are also saying that Mike Brown created Lebron.
gerizzyYMcrew Pop created Duncan!? Are you high? TD has been playing basic fundamentals since college and he's the number 1 draft pick. Pop doesn't have anything to do with it. Oh really? Look at KG. The Nets have the most number of stars this season and they can't do shit. Now, look at the Spurs. TD has been averaging double-doubles despite being older than KG. Who's your savior now?
gerizzyYMcrew KG is only better at steals, and barely better at rebounding, other than that tim duncan has 3 more championships and finals MVP's, 1 more MVP award, 6 more nba first teams, 3 more defensive 2nd teams,and the NBA rookie of the year award
gerizzyYMcrew Also KG has been reduced to a useless player, while Tim Duncan has kept his team as one of the best in the west for his whole career, and there was only one season with Tim Duncan that the Spurs had less than 50 wins and that is because there were only 50 games
To sum it up, TD: Had good role players and AllStars in 'The Admiral', Tony, Manu. KG: Bad role players during his Minnesota years, basically had to carry them on his back. Going to Boston past his prime with Ray&Paul. The road KG took to win that 1 ring, if he had to do it all over again he would, thats what fuels him, failure after failure, nobody likes to lose, but he didn't gave up and 13 years later he won his 1st ring. I know TD 4rings>KG 1 ring, but the road to their 1st ring respectively was different.
He had Cassell and The Strangler... Number one seed, and still got bounced... He was the type to need everything to be better than the other teams to close the deal, kinda like Durant did. Keep your excuses, Duncan was better, and his individual greatness was validated by guys who played the position Malone and Barkley. They say he's the best 4 man, and I'll roll with them over haters.
@@TheRealist1. bro in the series they lost in 6 games to the lakers was because cassell got hurt so kg had to play point guard dont act like the wolves had depth in their lineup educate yourself
@@TheRealist1. he not making excuses that was a fact. I don't care if he would've won against LA cuz Minnesota damn sure wasn't fucking wit them Pistons that year
Adam Gottlieb I didn't had the chance to watch Bob Pettit play. I read some things about him and watched some film, but that's it. I'm sure he is right there with the greatest, but I'm bias towards the 80's onward. The NBA and basketball in general has evolved a lot since the 50's, probably as good as he was, he couldn't compete with later generations.
shamier smith I'm not going to bad mouth Malone. He is as good as they come. But to my eyes, McHale had better fundamentals and the best post moves ever in the history of the game alongside Olajuwon. In top of that he has three rings and had many more moves and resources than Malone. McHale was obviously not as stronger as Malone, but he had better basketball IQ. He was the better player.
KG is my favorite player in all of sports since I'm from Minnesota but I've accepted that Duncan is the better player. Even if you put KG on the Spurs and compared it to what Duncan has done with the Spurs, Duncan's teams either would win more or look more impressive doing so if they won the same amount, though Garnett with David Robinson would probably be better than Duncan-Robinson based on spacing but Garnett with Ginobili and Parker, which when talking about Duncan is how you should measure him with those teammates, wouldn't work as well for KG than Duncan. The thing is Duncan does the two most impactful things on offense and defense better than Garnett, which is low-post offense and low-post defense. On offense, being a great post player means you have an unstoppable shot that is highly effective since you're closer to the rim. On defense, being a great low-post defense means that everyone has to rely on perimeter shot since they can't drive it in and if they do, it's going to be contested, which is especially so in today's NBA where defenses try to funnel players into taking shots inside against great low-post defenders.
Also, versatility-wise, Garnett worked better as a ball-handler, perimeter shooter, and perimeter defender but I could go the other way and say Duncan had versatility with a good inside-out game since he had that nice bank shot to compliment his post scoring, along with either defending the C or PF spot except with less range as a defender but like I said, low-post defense trumps all. Passing-wise and rebounding-wise, they were the same.
Mahad Mohamed Duncan is Number 3 on all time playoff win shares while KG isn’t even in top 20 and TD is in the top 10 in rebounds, points, and blocks in the playoffs beating KG in every category and TD was more effective than KG at the end of both there careers TD was still good for 10 points while KG was barely scoring above 5 and both were good on defense but TD made All Defensive team more times anyway.
I think you may have overlooked one thing that could have made the difference in KG's career if he had been on Duncan's Teams...The Coach KG out of High school probable would have been ready to soak up what ever knowledge Popovich was teaching! I believe KG was the better Athlete, a legendary coach early in his career fresh out of high school might have made a huge difference! Also playing along side David Robinson early in his career as you mention already! Practicing against David Robinson everyday might have made him a much better low post defender and gave him a more polished game in the post offensively!
If a person says that Duncan had help, they lost the argument. Nobody could've predicted that tony and Manu were going to be all-stars. Garnett played with stars too...he just wasn't able to lead and develop his teammates. Garnett teamed with 2 all-stars(like lebron) and barely won 1 title. He had a great coach too...your excuses are sad.
Better player = KG Better career/legacy = Tim Duncan Overall = Tim Duncan You have to remember KG carried the *Minnesota Timberwolves* to the *Western Conference Finals* in his MVP year and lost to the great *Lakers* in *six* games. Duncan had an amazing team his whole career. I'm not taking any credit from him but Imagine KG in the Spurs system in his prime years.
Well since eveyone saw his stats greatly diminish when he had to split stats with 2 other established superstars and an up and comer point guard in Boston, I'd imagine his stats would be similar to inferior to Duncan's. He was on the overloaded celtics team for 6 years and only managed one ring, proving Tim Duncan is the best winner at that position all time.
My sentiments exactly. If you talk about career, yes, Duncan is better. If you're talking about actual talent and gift, KG is better. KG is individually a better player than Duncan.
Tim led his team to an NBA championship his second year in the league, that counts for a lot. It seemed to me at first that Kevin was a little better than Duncan, was scoring and rebounding at higher rates but personal stats do not necessarily = the "best". Knowing how to work within your team has proven just as valuable as personal skill. Who knows what KG could have done in Duncan's actual shoes, having a great coach like pop and great players around him. Since we don't know we just have to look at who wins playoff games the most. If winning is any measure.
2 of the greatest PFs of all time..But in my opinion KG is better..The intensity, the leadership, the defence, the strength, the hustle..A much more cerebral player also..But Timmy is also an incredibly reliable PF with decisiveness, great basketball IQ and high offensive awareness..And oh..RINGS DON'T MAKE PLAYERS..GET THAT IN YOUR THICK SKULL PEOPLE
Well that's your opinion and I accept it.But like I said I believe rings do not make players great..And no..Tim is not a better defender than KG..How can you say that?They have exactly the same height and they do exactly the same job in the paint..Plus KG can play excellent perimeter defence..I think that KG in his prime is a lot better than Tim but if someone compares them today in 2013-2014 KG looks very rusty and old but Duncan looks fresh and can still provide for the team.In terms of overall presence in the NBA Tim wins easily but in terms of basketball IQ, physical qualifications and dominance I choose the Big Ticket..I would love to hear the contradiction from you
I really like how this conversation turns out..It's like I'm in a forum or something..Well Duncan was amazing in the '03 playoffs and I can't argue that.Yes he made it to the playoffs more times than KG (I think Tim is on the top 10 players in playoff time in general)..Yes Tim has 4 rings while KG just one..But we have to think of how unlucky Kevin was..Remember Malik Sealy?How unfortunate could that be for Malik at first and for Garnett also..This death crushed his inner strength, messed up his mentality in an era which KG and Sealy where like brothers..Remember Stephon Marbury and the way he left KG alone in the Wolves in 99?I believe with Marbury and Garnett the Wolves had a chance to the finals..I also believe that Manu and Parker where bound to become great players I don't think Duncan made them..So comparing the teammates of both players in certain eras I think Kevin was very unlucky in his prime not having a strong player both mentally and physically to help him.. :)
well I haven't given it too much thought..But I don't think I would rank Duncan higher than Bryant..I don't know it just doesn't seem right..And I would propably go like:MJ,Kareem,Bill Russel,Bird,Olajuwon,Magic,Oscar Robertson,Isiah Thomas,Karl Malone,Scottie Pippen and then Duncan (because of the titles and the overall presence in the NBA)otherwise Let's don't forget Dirk,Dr J and Shaq either..Don't comment about arl Malone's position in my list..He was playing basketball in MJ's era..That's a curse :)
Well I agree for Pippen.He propably should not be on the list but I will say it again that in MJs era everything is complicated :P ..But you are right about that.But I still believe that Kobe is a greater player than Tim..Not a better personality, although you should know that in practice sessions and in the locker room Duncan is like a soldier and not the most fun guy around..He takes no jokes and has a military-kind-of-theory for his game..He's waay to professional..Dunno sounds bad for me.As far as it concerns Kobe, I never liked the guy but he IS Kobe bryant..5 rings, 4 time NBA All-Star game MVP, 2 time NBA scoring champion, 2 time NBA Finals MVP, 15 time all star..I think he deserves to be higher than Tim despite the fact that he is an ass like you said..I totally agree with you about Pippen..Let's erase him from the list (I just got emotional because I liked him back in the day)MJ and Scottie, well you know....
I watched recently NBA open court and Charels Barkley, Kerr and MacGrady all said that Tim Duncan is without any doubt the best PF of all time, well I suppose thye know what they say.
Tim Duncan managed to be a leader in more competitive teams and make the difference, he also managed to play good basketball for a longer period in his career. KG a great player but Timmy is the best PF ever
Two things that set Duncan over Garnett, first is defense. Second is temperament, people like to say that Tim was drafted into one of the best run organizations, but they fail to realize is that Tim is one of the main reasons it is so. He was always a teacher, young Manu and Parker would credit not just Pop but also Tim for helping them develop into the players they became. Time was very effective almost up until the end when his knee finally caught up with him, his game translated well into old age, but more importantly he was a leader and teacher. Put KG into the same locker room and you would not have had the same result.
I'm a KG stan but I can admit TD is the greatest PF ever by a long margin, with KG second and Dirk 3rd (Malone played with the second best PG throughout his whole career and then a stacked Lakers and couldn't do much, Barkley carried some teams but again lost with Phoenix and Houston and couldn't defend). I always maintain that those who thinking them switching teams would make a difference are idiots. Tim can raise his game in big moments, KG can't. Whilst rings don't make players, it does show how much of an impact on the guys around him the main dude has. Tim made Parker and Manu, won Robinson (a former MVP) chips and showed that he has been the best player over the past 15 years bar none. KG is a better defender (both individually through pick and roll switches and guarding all 5 men in Minne and coaching others), better passer (averaged 4 or more in 10 years, I don't think Tim has ever averaged more than 3.8) and a slightly better rebounder (grabbed more of the available in his prime). But Tim is a better leader, scorer, blocker, winner and talent. Two all time greats, with Dirk being the best offensive option of all 3.
you forget to say how the spur did a better job of maintaining talent around timmy then t wolves did for kg I agree tim is 1 and kg 2 but by a far less margin kg prime years were wasted and when the t wolves final got him a little help in cassel and spree he took the team to the western conference finals playing all 5 postions in the playoffs to deal with injuries etc..
Rovic Vi How do you figure? Statistically they are pretty similar, KG averaged more rebounds/assists and steals but again less points and blocks, whilst playing slightly more minutes and winning I think 10 less games if memory servers correctly. How can you be the MVP of the league with the 5th best record? He deserved it 100% in 03/04, that year is better than any-one Duncan year, but Duncan deserved both, he also won which proved it.
KG IS BETTER!!! In their prime KG was WAY more talented than TD.. TD Also had Arguably the BEST COACH in NBA history TD had a basic game nothing flashy got the job done I'll admit.. KG led the league in rebounding FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (ONLY RODMAN 7 AND KARL MALONE 5 DID IT MORE) - TD never led the league in anything (well maybe championships) KG IS SECOND ALL TIME IN REBOUNDS KG is a better FT% shooter (+10% for his career)and then these: - Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career - Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons - Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season - Fourth player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year during his career
Kevin Garnett------ Tim Duncan 22.5 Pts--------------21.6Pts 12.7 Reb-------------11.7 Reb 5 Ast-------------------3.2 Ast 1.5 Blk----------------2.4 Blk 1.2 Stl-----------------0.8 Stl 49% FG---------------50% FG 80% Free Throw--69% Free Throw 124.6 Win Shares - 119.8 Win Shares 65.8 VORP -------- 53.5 VORP (Value over Replacement Player) 99-08 For 8 straight seasons, KG was the best Power Forward in the league. Robbed of at least 1 MVP by Duncan because he played for a better team. 4 time league leader in rebounding. Last time I checked Duncan never led the league in rebounding..... When compared to Duncan. KG more than stacks up, but gets crap because the T-Wolves never gave him anyone to work with. Everyone likes to forget that KG was playing POINT GUARD at 7 foot tall in the 04 conference finals because we didn't have anyone but KG..... Put Tim Duncan on the 04 T-Wolves and they don't make it out of the first round......
+SixtySixNation Lol yea this post isn't biased at all.. KG put up SLIGHTLY better offensive numbers on a much worse team. That's easier to do. Duncan was/is the backbone to a perennial title contender. He's been better for longer as well. KG was been washed for a couple years now. The Spurs are in the middle of their 19th (!!) straight season of 50+ wins. What Duncan's done is truly remarkable. And if you really want to play the stats game, then here, have a look at what someone else posted in the comments already: Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.
+Brandon Van "I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002." You know, I could counter by saying Tim Duncan Averaged 29ppg/17/rbg/5apg/3bpg in the 02 conference semi's. But then we'd have to also look at his 5 Turn overs per game. His 42% shooting. And the fact he lost in 5 games. The only game they won, they won in spite of Tim Duncan's 10 turnovers. Tim Duncan's impact that season's post season was about as good as Kevin Love's during his time in Minnesota. "Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg" There is a reason I removed the latter portion of KG's career. KG's game is built on Athleticism. Nobody here is arguing that Tim Duncan had a worse career than KG, or that KG has more longevity in his game than Tim Duncan. I'm talking about Prime vs Prime, who was a better individual player. KG's Post season stats in his prime years 99-08 22.3 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 4.5 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.6 bpg Tim Duncan's Post season stats during the same years: 23.4 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 3.5 apg / .7 spg / 2.4 bpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, I'm not saying that KG had a better career than KG. But only a fool would compare rings in a team sport. 1 for 1, KG was a better individual player than Duncan. Would KG have won 5 rings in SaS? Probably not, his personality does not fit with the great spurs organization and their philosophy. Would Tim Duncan have been able to carry the 04 wolves to the Conference finals? Not a chance in hell.
+SixtySixNation You're living in a fantasy world. The only time Garnett was ever better than Duncan was his MVP season. That's it. Duncan was always the better player.
Young KG in Minnesota is a beast. Unfortunately, he had to face some of the super teams such as the Lakers, Spurs, Kings. When I saw this vid, comparing how Lebron played in Miami, there is no way that Lebron can beat this young Garnett 1on1.
I always thought that Garnett was better, but every basketball coach I had growing up always mentions Tim Duncan. Tim could do so much by doing so little. Tim is like the master of fundamentals, and he became a star doing it. Most basketball fans don't like Tim Duncan because he doesn't do 360 and windmill dunks or flashly crossover moves. But Garnett is one of my favorite players of all time.
Its also crazy how similar they are when it pretains to how they approach the game, they both play the mind game, KG get all up in your face trying to break you down, Duncan is like a rock, you can dunk, block, bump him over and wont be phased by it... If only the T-wolves were a better team/franchise, KG and Duncan could've had some epic playoff battles throughout the era.
I'm pretty sure KG would have just as many titles had he played with Ray Allen and Pierce his entire career like Duncan has with Manu/Parker.Tim's got to play with David Robinson. Hes had a top 5 NBA coach all-time since he was drafted. Look at what the Timberwolves have done with Love since KG finally got out of there. Its just a bad franchise. "TD was just able to do it for so much longer", no shit. His team never relied completely on him. Have you seen what Pop does with minutes? He has been sitting these guys at the end of the season forever while KG played on O.K to bad teams that relied on him the entire game.
No, I disagree. They still had to content with the West. Lakers and Spurs would have a lot to do with them not winning titles. Also, you can't discard that they always had a hard time beating the Heat, that they finally went to plan B. Disbanded the team. Your argument has been proven wrong by the same team you are making a case for, the Celtics.
If Manu and Parker played with Garnett, neither one of them would be mentioned as Hall of Famers. Basketball is about role playing, letting everyone contribute. Duncan can shoot jump shots just like KG but that is not his role. He is an inside player letting Manu and Parker play the perimeter. KG wants to do it all. Look at great teams, they have clear defined roles for their players, it is not a coincidence. If you play with Duncan when he was young you knew you would get open look jump shots when he was on the blocks.The same thing with the Lakers with Shaq and Gasol you could depend on them on the blocks opening things up for their teammates. It is reason why San Antonio and the Lakers have won the most championships in the last 15 years. If you play with KG and Dirk where are you playing off them when they are shooting jumps shots too. As great of players as KG and Dirk have been through the years they each only have one championship. Both of them had strong inside presence from role players on teams when they did win. If they both were strong inside players they would have won multiple championships. Although they are both seven footers in their heyday they could have both been 6'6". They dominated with their skills not their size. A big man should dominate with his size and skills, he has plenty of other talented teammates who aren't seven feet. You cannot coach size, use that talent under the basket then every team has to double and triple you opening it up for your teammates. Even in modern day basketball all these big men that shoot threes do not make their teams that great if they do not have an strong inside presence.
I've always felt that Flip Saunders squandered a lot of Garnett's potential and that under a different coach early in his career Garnett could have been one of if not the best in recent memory. Making Garnett into a power forward and turning him into a somewhat generic post player was a huge mistake in my opinion. KG came into the league as a wing player and was crossing people up at 7 feet tall with all kinds of agility. His length and speed let him play great perimeter defense too and not just post. I don't think people really knew what Garnett was and what to do with him, so they just looked at his height and put him in the standard bigman role. Granted, Garnett's attitude of being content with his game because his numbers were above average didn't help. But I blame his coaches for some of that too. As Garnett was used and how their circumstances ultimately played out, you can say Duncan was better than him. But Garnett was more talented than Duncan could ever think of being and if I was starting a team I'd take Garnett over him.
How would you play KG? As a stretch 4, or pick and roll type big? I don't know what other style he could've played tbh. He was a really unique player though. I wouldn't know WTF to do with him either.
***** Well you could switch him up as needed, but I would have played him at small forward as a total match-up headache for opposing teams and run more plays for him as a score-first option. I'd have also made him primarily a roaming perimeter defender a la Andrei Kirilenko, but have him lock in on his man if defending a good scorer. Garnett could have and probably should have been regularly top 3 in scoring. It's also wild to me that he wasn't utilized to get more roving blocks and steals.
TheRiggedBA His contract screwed thw T Wolves. He signed for a stupid amount before the 98-99 lockout. Acutally pissed off Marbury that he was making significantly less. Then they changed the rules for what rookies could make coming out of their first contract. Long story short they were not able to put the right pieces around Garnett consistently.
***** He also guarded Wizards Mike and held his own against him, this was the Mike before knee injury so it still meant something to guard him. I can't think of any 7 footer who could hold his own consistently guarding an elite perimeter player throughout a game. And then you add his team defensive impact with Boston and his shot-blocking/rebounding and being able to lead a team in 5/5 categories for a whole season - doing it all on both ends. Top 10 defensive player ever easy Wolves = 4-21 (0.160 win%) without KG during his first stretch in MIN
Kobe Not Top 100 KG had poor teams in MIN but he didnt even get out the first round once except for 2004, and that's when the Wolves added Latrell Sprewell who almost outplayed Kobe in the 2004 WCF *2004 WCF* Kobe 24.3 - 4.0 - 5.5 - 1.5 - 0.3 on 41% Sprewell 20.8 - 4.0 - 5.0 - 1.5 - 0.0 on 41% plus they added Sam Cassell to the 2004 team When Duncan was injured in 2000, the defending champion Spurs lost in the first round with home court to the Suns and Jason Kidd only played 1 game for the Suns in that series When KG was injured in 2009, the Celtics made the 2nd round without him and took the EC champ Magic to 7 games without him KG had a better supporting cast on the Celtics and still only got 1 ring with them, and he was playing in the weak East Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 9 playoff series Garnett = led his team in 4/5 categories in 4 playoff series Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in the 2001 WCF (only PF to do this in a playoff series) Garnett = never led his team in 5/5 categories in a playoff series Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in 2001 WCF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 WCF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2008 WCF Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in a WCF or ECF Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 Finals Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2007 Finals Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in an NBA Finals Duncan does much more for his team than KG. PS. Shaq = never led his team in 4/5 categories in any playoff series, in any round, ever
But Garnett has his advantages over Duncan especially when they both were in their prime. Garnett was great defensively obtaining more defensive rebounds which limits opponents scoring. His ball handling was what made Garnett a 3/4 forward, his penetration on offense and the ability to pull up with a clutch jump shot mm
All I can say IS KG IS A BEAST! One of the best to ever do it @that position. If I were an NBA owner, i would take da Big Ticket on my squad any day. He can defend, block shots, pass and score. KG has one of the smoothest touches when shooting (for a big man) that I've ever seen! Plus he brings a passion to the game like none other! If Kevin Garnet can't motivate you to win then I don't know who can* Signed-2real4realB-real Da beast frum da east B.BRADFORD
Just because Duncan didn't act like Garnett does not mean Kevin played with more heart or passion. Some players, like Duncan, keep their intensity in check, and only display it at certain times. Not on every play because it is not necessary.
I like Pop but Like Doc Rivers he wasn't really known as a great coach before their winning days which just so happen to be when TD arrived and the celtic big 3 arrive. So I give a big chunk of the Spurs success to Tim rather than Pop. Also Tony Parker and Mano were made into good players by TD, that's basically my point. those guys were not expected to be good but they became what they are cause of TD. If I recall parker was drafted 28 and mano in the 2nd round, that basically says it all.
Adam Brunmeier huh, what do you mean? Timmy got a scholarship to wake forest. KG wanted to go to college but he wasn't able to pass the ACT that would let him play bball in college.
you must have missed kg in his prime, cause he was a beast and more versatile than duncan...so overall yea td obviously is producing better numbers at this point of their career but back then kg had a slight edge over every pf...of the league he was a smooth beast
cariocabassa Did I say anything about one players prime vs another? I'm talking about a full career, body of work, which players overall package was the best. That means your prime, your later years, your awards, moves, stats, accolades, EVERYTHING. And no, I did not miss KG in his prime, his years with the wolves were amazing, and it's simply a shame they could never put the right pieces around him. If anything, he was too loyal and should have left for greener pastures earlier than he did. Maybe he leaves 2 years earlier and wins 3 rings instead of 1, and we could be talking about him in the conversation of the best ever.
I agree with everything but him being a better fit on the Spurs. No player fits in better with a coach, playing style and culture as Tim Duncan does with the Spurs.
It's odd to say it, but KG may end up being one of the more underrated players in history. I don't know if people realize how amazing he really was in his prime in Minnesota, I don't think there's any question that if he had more championships, he'd easily be considered at least a top 5 power forward of all time, if not possibly top 5 big man of all time.
KG IS BETTER!!! In their prime KG was WAY more talented than TD.. TD Also had Arguably the BEST COACH in NBA history TD had a basic game nothing flashy got the job done I'll admit.. KG led the league in rebounding FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (ONLY RODMAN 7 AND KARL MALONE 5 DID IT MORE) - TD never led the league in anything (well maybe championships) KG IS SECOND ALL TIME IN REBOUNDS KG is a better FT% shooter (+10% for his career)and then these: - Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career - Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons - Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season - Fourth player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year during his career
Yeah but Garnett was a garbage teammate. Even old teammates said that. It's not Tim Duncan's fault he played with other greats to split stats with. The thing is, Duncan has been successful with different supporting casts for years and years, ever single consecutive year to be exact. Garnett was given teammates here and there as well, but never helped them be successful like Tim Duncan did for his. Some of his old teammates who were actually pretty good talked about this. Terrell Brandon, Sczerbiak, Troy Hudson, Rasho Nesterovic, even Chauncy Billups. They all talked about how he would just act like a selfish kid through stretches of a season, which most players out of high school tend to do. And we all know what teams Nesterovic and Billups went to, and the success they had with them. Nesterovic was asked which power forward he thought was better, and he didn't hesitate to say Tim Duncan. Chauncy Billups talked about the night and day difference, and his excitement to be in a team that could use his skills. It's not like Garnett wasn't given the chances Tim Duncan was given, it's that he didn't utilize his team to the best of their abilities. The problem with Timmy is that he was an obsessed winner, while Garnett was just an obsessed individual.
Even if KG played with Popovich instead of Duncan, Spurs would not become a greater team. TD created systems, but KG couldn't. No team could rely on KG 's offense skill. TD got double team by his own lowpost offense skill and made his teammate open. And, Karl Malone never lead rebounding. You mean Moses Malone?
In their primes, KG was better. Don't take this as me saying he was significantly better, only marginally. Overall TD had the better career and sustained a higher level of play. Once KG's athleticism went out the window, you could notice all his major flaws. Both will go down as some of the best PF's ever, but only TD will be argued to be the best.
+noobhealz402 Duncan has also had the virtue of being very lucky. (Which he has admitted himself) Me personally, I think he's the luckiest superstar in sports history. He was never in a KG, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins situation. Being on good teams your whole career get to relax more, mentally and physically during the season. It's helped Duncan last longer. While KG is the complete opposite...His body was destroyed, putting it all on the line every single game. No rest, all grind. I think no one on earth can deny...In their primes...it's not even a question who was better.
+noobhealz402 Disagree. Duncan was literally unguardable in his prime. And he's always been the better shot-blocker. Both were great players, but Duncan was slightly better imo. Plus Duncan carried his team to a title in '03 without another All-Star on the roster. Dirk in '11 and Hakeem in '94-'95 are the only other 2 players to do that in the last 30 years.
Kevin Garnett was nicknamed "The Kid" back in Minnesota when he was in his prime. Kevin Garnett was a beast playing all five postilions in a playoff series against the L.A. Lakers but the Lakers eliminated Minnesota from the playoffs. Just like everyone else when they feel they can't win because they don't have the supporting cast he left for Boston to join the Celtics but nobody criticized him like Lerbon James was criticized when he left for the Miami Heat.
Duncan is hands down the best PF in the era. KG is more versatile and can fulfill multiple roles, but Duncan, he has such a wide array of basic skills that he doesn't even need to do anyth flashy. Even when he's only averaging 20 or minutes he still averages about 15 points. If u're a learner of the game, Duncan is the player to learn from.
Well, Duncan transformed the Spurs into an always contender team. Garnett had exactly the same opportunity with Minnesota but achieved nothing, absolutely nothing.
No, wrong. Duncan arrived to the Spurs in '97, since then the Spurs have reached the playoffs every single year. You know in order to do that you need the support of your team.; something that Garnett didn't have. I think you are confusing the Spurs with the Timberwolves and Duncan with Garnett.
"More than that, by reaching the latest in his mash-up of big number thresholds - at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks - Garnett joined an elite class of … one." No one in league history has reached that kind of versatile accolade. The guy is still the only player in nearly 40 years to lead the league in total points and rebounds in a season. His MVP ceremony, Stern said last time was 29 years ago, that was 10 years ago.
KG had the better peak play, Duncan was better in every other aspect. Put KG prime mvp (04) against the same prime Duncan (03), dude... KG would won, but a very low margin.
Really? Look up Sprewell's career stats compared to Ginobili's. Look up Cassell's compared to Parker's. Not to mention guys like Wally Sczcerbiak who made the all-star team. Garnett just wasn't ever on the same level as Duncan, period.
Ry Bur Well, then look at their coaches, lol Individually, KG have a slight advantage over Duncan, that's my point. Duncan obviously has a better career. Prime KG is a bit more taller and has the overall athleticism, rebound, defense and range advantage compared to Duncan, Tim is superior in everything else. A 1x1 matchup, forget the team, would be very close. Not only KG but Malone as well are better individual players than Duncan in my opinion. But individuality means nothing in the NBA.
No, Garnett is garbage on offense compared to Duncan and has to have a point guard set him up for his buckets. Duncan was a dominant low post player earlier in his career and now is a great jump shooter for a big man. Rasho Nesterovic played with both in their primes and didn't hesitate when he was asked who the better player was; Duncan.
Wow, I actually remember a lot of these moments. :) I'm also amazed that Duncan and Garnett are even still playing today, let alone at good levels for their ages (though Garnett is clearly more in his twilight than Duncan). Both players have a very good if not inevitable shot at reaching one of the Holy Grails of basketball: 15,000 career rebounds. It still surprises me that both Duncan and Garnett have been able to play long enough to get 15,000, given that most of their peers haven't been nearly as durable.
both of them are good they have talent too but garnet is too flashy and selfish while TD is just a simple gameplay with a heart for his team this is the reason why TD > KG I'm just look for the quality not the quantity but still both of them are great players in a different way of basketball...
+cem ertugrul no way no how....that spot belongs to KARL MALONE!! altho KG and TD are still great players...but they are not better then karl malone...for me all time bets 3 PF where, karl malone, (here i would put denis rodman just because he was anomaly who could shut down anyone in any position at any time of nba history) then perhaps kevin mchale and tim duncan
+cem ertugrul Na Tim Duncan was better. Duncan carried his team to a Championship in 2003 without another All-Star on the roster. Won MVP that year too.
I don't necessarily disagree, but an argument can be made to the contrary. At the same time, playing against a good defense/team defense that take away your mastered scoring options, and you'll find yourself getting clogged. Whereas, if you are above average or good with more moves, then you'll always be able to put up a good shot vs. putting up a tough shot in traffic (even if Duncan still makes a good amount of them).
Dumb argument. I watch basketball, sometimes, and Kevin Garnett was SMALL FORWARD for most of his career! Tim Duncan also played CENTER when the Spurs won in 2005 and 2007! Great players but the best power forward of all-time = Elvin Hayes, Kevin McHale, Karl Malone, and Josh McRoberts!
Tony Parker actually made his debute in 2005. He was starting to show some spark and became the Spurs second player in 04, but in 05 was when he, and Ginobli became official.
im from San Antonio and i love the spurs more than anything else in the world. Timmy is the best powerfoward of all time, what seperates him from garnnet from duncan is two things. 1.Duncan is a better passes, especially out of doubles. 2. Duncan was drafted by a great franchise which has stability and better pieces that garnett ever had in Minnesota. You saw what he did in Boston when he had help around him. Always wished spurs could get Garnett. Love his passion and vocality as a leader.
lol @ end of discussion. KG had a better all around game, but Dirk was a much better scorer. KG never carried a team to a championship like Dirk did in 2011 and almost did in 2006. KG wasnt even the 1st option on those Celtic teams. Dirk never had a legit star around him and made the Mavs a contender for an entire decade. KG made the T-Wolves a contender 1 year. In the playoffs, which matter the most... Dirk: 25.3--10.0--2.5 KG: 18.7--10.7--3.3 "End of discussion"
+Mo TV You need to read my post again. Those are what they both average in the playoffs. And are you really gonna act like Dirk had that much more talent around him than KG. The best player Dirk ever played with was Nash who left before he entered his prime cause Cuban didn't wanna pay him. Despite that, Dirk took the Mavs to at least the 2nd round 7 times, to the Finals twice and won a ring. KG took the Twolves out of the 1st round once and they never got to the Finals.
Mo TV In the late 90's, he had Stephon Marbury (tho I was never a fan) and Tom Gugliotta who was an all-star. When Marbury left, he had Terrell Brandon. He had Wally/ Latrell Sprewell/Cassell and couldnt get the job done in 04 and missed the playoffs all together in 05. Stop acting like he played with nothing but bums in Minnesota. Dirk led the most efficient offense in the league from 2000 to 2007. Bottom line is, Dirk led the Mavs to multiple deep runs in the playoffs and a ring which is far more than KG did in Minnesota. Even individually, Dirk was better than Garnett when it mattered most which is the postseason.
Because a 1 on 1 game is very very different than a team game. Monta Ellis in his prime would wash Jason Kidd in his prime, but which would you rather have on your TEAM?
No, your not judging their impact of that star player. basically what I'm saying is that KG played with as good talents around him than TD, the only difference is that stat that's not in the #s and that is making players around you better which TD trumps KG.
STFU pau and kevin garnett r u high? KG in his prime is a top 10 all time PF avergin 22 13 and 2 like 7 years in a row pau never even sniffed those stats stop with that nonsense. KG and tim duncan is a comparison that makes a ton of sense.
Agreed about gasol is nonsence... KG much better... but still im cannot see a way, how KG can be compared with TD... Nervous man VS calm strategy man... common.. :)
I feel this, I can definitely agree with this. Not so sure about Duncan being the better player, he's played a better role on his team's because we've seen him in his prime and win, while KG won literally at the end of his prime. I'd say it's a tie, Duncan is just better at being a big man, but KG is the better basketball player because of his "position-less" skillset ya know what I mean?
Kevin Garnett was an all-star 2 years ago. He's going into his 20th season. It would be not human if he didn't decline. Tim Duncan never averaged 4 Assists for a season EVER. While KG did it for 10 straight seasons...KG and Kareem Abdul-Jabber are the only big man in the top 50 for assists All-Time. So to say Duncan is a better passer is inaccurate. And a better teammate?? Lol...Thats funny.
I don't think anyone could say with all certainty that either man is better than the other. They both have their own unique styles: Garnett, uber aggressive; Duncan, subliminally dominating. They both have terrific long-2 abilities, post moves and superior defense. Their career stats are almost identical. Really, check em out --it's eery. Timmy's got a lot more bling, but who's to say KG wouldn't have the same hardware given more comprable circumstances. Love em both! They are good for the game!
Out of all the greats Tim Duncan had it the easiest. Drafted to a hall of Fame center and once of the greatest coaches of all time. Plus 2 Hall of Fame players in manu and Tony. And a possible Hall of Fame player in Leonard.
Do not know what point you are trying to make with 'had it the easiest', but regardless of coach and teammates Tim still had to step on the court and play the game. Tim has also adapted his game to the competition and his free throw percentage has improved. Another false argument I hear is that Manu and Tony are only used to disprove Tim's success yet when they talk about the best point guard and 'sixth man' their names are never mentioned.
Who was Greg Popovich before 1999. How many Finals had San Antonio been in with David Robinson in between 1988 and 1998. You have to stop rewriting history. Duncan is the main catalyst behind the Spurs, just like Russell was for the Celtics.
The reason Manu and Tony are hall of Famers is the same reason all those players on the Celtics were Hall of Famers. When Duncan had those foot problems San Antonio was going no place.
***** I have no clue what I am saying when Kobe wasn't even drafted to the Lakers. Not to mention, Magic Johnson had to struggle a little bit before he really did anything. Tim Duncan has never missed the playoffs. And Pop was a coach who as mentored by the Larry Brown. One of the greatest coaches of all time. And Kobe had to struggle with that crap team in 06-07 which Tim Duncan never had to do because Tim Duncan never played with scrubs like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. As for Jordan I'm not sure if you remember his time before the 90's or even with the Wizards. And Bird didn't have a good team for nearly as long as Tim Duncan did.
Agreed.TD had players like David Robinson(although was mediocre after '98),Manu Ginobili,Tony Parker,Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry also role players like Steve Kerr,Steve Smith,Sean Elliot,Avery Johnson,Malik Rose,Stephen Jackson,and Brent Barry.K.G. never had that kind of quality help,he had Stephon Murbury,and non-matured C-Bills,but that was it.If he had been handed a talented squad like TD was handed,he would've been the "Greatest PF" but i consider him as the "Best PF" of his generation.
chukk mane Are you really going to play that game? Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs. KG Playoff career averages: 18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg TD Playoff career averages: 21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.
Wait what? Did u say the Spurs has a chance this year lmfaooooo, Timmy D Hasn't been a dominant force since 2010 I must admit he steps up in the playoffs though, but don't over due it he's a solid all star he hasn't been a superstar since 2010 probably before that. Same as KG 2010 was his last "all star" like year. And don't bring rings into question Duncan obviously has had way better teams than KG his whole career even when he was in Boston. Put KG in a Spurs uniform and he'll win 10 rings GOAT. The real 21 FOH Kg far better defender than Timmy D.
In their primes Duncan was better and in old age Duncan is better. But what do you know you're just another nay sayer who say the Spurs don't stand a chance this year. After all these years and they still never learn.
if you have a better teammates then its easier for you to produce those stats, but if you have a shitty team most of your career then you have to do most of the work yourself meaning you are more prone to mistakes.
I think that KG has more moves on the block, so I suppose more versatile on the post. However, Timmy has taken 3 or 4 post moves and have as you said "mastered" it. So the argument is up to whether or not it's better to have a player that is good with more moves, or great with fewer moves. At the end of the day, that is practically a microcosm of KG and Duncan's careers when you compare these two All-Time greats
TD: Better basketball IQ, better post game, better team player, more reliability. KG: Better athlete, better shooter, better mobility, more explosiveness. Those two along with Dirk are 3 of the most versatile 7 footers in the history of basketball. They totally revolutionized the PF position.
Xun Wang Dirk Nowitzki does not belong in the "greatest PF of all time" convo. I dont understand why people keep inserting him in it. The man could not play defense....
Fro Buntu I didn't imply Dirk is the greatest PF, but for all the things he can do on the offense, he definitely deserves a mention. It's not like every superstar needs to play good D. Magic and Bird were legendary players but average defenders too.
i totally agree.. ring counts shouldn't be used as a measurement of a player's greatness.. correct me if i'm wrong but championship is won by a TEAM not by an individual player.. for those who are saying that Duncan have more MVP awards, if you're on a winning team, it's pretty easy winning an MVP title.. even with a crappy team, Garnett managed to win a season MVP award (2004).. no matter what Duncan do, he can't match Garnett's intensity..
I don't see why many people claim Garnett would be nearly as successful as Duncan in the same shoes. Duncan is the only shot-clock era player to win 2 championships with 0 Playoff teammates averaging 16 PPG (1999 and 2003) And the only post-1955 player along with Hakeem to win a title with 0 Playoff teammates of 15 PPG (Hakeem did it with 0 teammates of 14 PPG in 1994). Duncan also took the Spurs to the 2001 WCF and 2002 WCSF when his best teammates Derek Anderson and David Robinson were injured. The Spurs were 1-4 in the 2000 and 2002 Playoffs when Duncan was injured/did not play, despite playing lower seeds and injured teams (Suns without Kidd, Sonics without Lewis). So to claim that he was gifted with great supporting casts from the beginning is not true. Garnett failed to pass the 1st Round with similar or better teams up to 2003, even when having 20+ PPG teammates in his 2002 and 2003 exits. And most of the time, Garnett didn't even lose to the best competition, only losing to an eventual NBA Finalist/Champion twice in Minnesota (1999 Spurs, 2004 Lakers) When Garnett did lead a championship team and had good help around him in 2008, he had lesser numbers than Duncan did in any Playoff run from 1999-2007 including his 4 titles as the leader. Despite playing under easier defensive circumstances than the pre-2005 era. Duncan's 2013 Finals (19-12-1-1-1 on 49/81) at age 37 was also equal or better than Garnett's 2008 Finals (18-13-3-2-1 on 43/76) in his prime while Duncan played against a better defensive and overall team.
Right, nobody has disagreed with you or that TD is a beast. He has a better team is what's being argued and you can't seem to wrap your head around that.
Ppl forget Duncan could've easily been the finals mvp instead of Kawhi last year. I'll give him a slight edge ahead of KG just because he's still a force down low,putting up numbers and anchoring the Spurs defence as well as anybody,while KG just keeps getting them checks!!! In my eyes,they are the best power forwards to ever play the game. They could simply do it all on both ends,unlike Karl dirk and Chuck who where mediocre defenders at best
He's not garbage now: just older. He's suffered more injuries than Timmy, especially with his legs. Look how he moves... KG's knees seem to buckle: his movement is not as fluid (more mechanical if that makes sense). He can still hit the mid-range J, put up double-doubles and play solid D. With this Brooklyn team, I'm sure he'll be more rejuvenated, but he is slowing down.
D-Wade still shows spurts of his superstar status for a good portion of the season; usually gets injured later in the season. Still, I would be interested to see what would've happened if they added KG instead of Bosh (via trade, amnesty, etc.).
I think Kevin Garnett has always more athletic than Tim Duncan. As far as who is better it is hard to dismiss what Tim has done. KG has a lot of intensity but that does not equate or guarantee success. Tim has helped earned 51 championship rings for 51 different players, not counting multiple championships, and has led his teams to 5 championships. When he joined the Spurs many said the twin towers could not win in all. They won two championships. Then when David retired again many said he could not win without David. He has won three more championships. In my opinion, Tim is definitely better than Kevin overall. As far as Dirk versus Kevin, I would pick Dirk over Kevin.
I have always been a KG fan since his rookie days, to be fair,Spurs comprises of more championship material as a team where TD benefited more compared to KG when he was with Wolves. Being in a all rounded team, TD was very much protected by his reliable team mates where spurs do not need to overexpose their star at an early age this leads to his longevity in playing, so old yet still so good. KG on the other hand has been placed in the furnace since day 1 almost at times single-handedly pulling his team through. By the time KG was in Celtics, it was nearing the end of his career and injuries took over his battled rammed body. KG is a more balanced player especially in his prime but TD simply excels in his task either as PF/C to such a high pedigree. Instead of comparing heads on, If you place TD and KG in a team together.. that would be out of the world. Similar to the Moses and Olajuwon era when they were in same team.
The thing that sets Tim Duncan apart from the other superstars in the league is the fact he's egoless. He can take criticism and lets his play do the talking. KG needs to hype himself up by yelling at people and playing semi-dirty, bully, basketball. Tim didn't need such antics to get himself amped for a game.
zzDzCzCzz getting yourself hyped for a game is great for mentality, according to sports science. KG set the energy for the players around him, he was a bully on the COURT, which is great (entertainment) he always kept it on the court.
Thing is, he could never bully Duncan Tim would just look at him, shrug and end on down the field leaving KG standing there looking foolish. Shaq says Duncan was the only player he could never get to lose his cool. He says Tim would just shrug, and say ,”
Watch this Shaq and then bank the ball off the glass.
Garnett like Tim you ugly AF... tims like yeah sure whatever then scores on him, and says to garnett your mothers cookie tasted delicious 🤣
watch the documentary on why he does so. being a quiet player doesn’t mean anything doesn’t define your skill or value. Shaq was crazy animated and he’s better than both
Let's be honest for a sec: They are both great, both HOFers for sure. Sure, Timmy D won more and sure, he produces better numbers today than KG. But don't dismiss KG just like that. KG gave it his all and there can't be doubt those 12 seasons with the Wolves must've taken a toll on his body. So it isn't fair to say KG could've won more with Boston. Or even Nets now. Especially after he's blown his knee in the season the Celtics were looking to defend the chip.
Tim Duncan sure has had better career (easy to say day after he's won his 5th ring). But a better player? C'mon. They're both the absolute pinnacle of basketball.
I'd never dismiss KG ever. But I do think Duncan's the absolute best at his position and it's not only the rings that back up that standpoint in my view. But Garnett's probably top five.
Tim used to be able to run the floor too guys
I personally love KG & like him a lot more than Duncan but i think Timmy is more fundamentally sound than KG. KG relied a little more on his athleticism in my opinion (which obviously was better than Duncan's). In both their primes, I think KG was better but Duncan has a seemingly ageless game cuz of his fundamentals! i agree with you 100% though! i think KG could've had a much better career with a different team, coach, etc. The Wolves' front office had SO many problems when KG was there; he basically had to do EVERYTHING for that team!
Stephen Cogan "Garnett's probably top five". PROBABLY? He is a lock for top 3 PF all time.
1.Duncan
2.Malone
3.Dirk
4.Garnett
5.Barkeley
TD is better. He always had been. Even Charles Barkley said that TD is the greatest PF of all time and that's hard for Barkley to admit it.
gerizzyYMcrew
2 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs. Nuff said.
gerizzyYMcrew
Don't know what NBA are you watching but Pop didn't put the ball in the basket nor he created Duncan. With your stupid logic, you are also saying that Mike Brown created Lebron.
gerizzyYMcrew
Pop created Duncan!? Are you high? TD has been playing basic fundamentals since college and he's the number 1 draft pick. Pop doesn't have anything to do with it. Oh really? Look at KG. The Nets have the most number of stars this season and they can't do shit. Now, look at the Spurs. TD has been averaging double-doubles despite being older than KG. Who's your savior now?
gerizzyYMcrew KG is only better at steals, and barely better at rebounding, other than that tim duncan has 3 more championships and finals MVP's, 1 more MVP award, 6 more nba first teams, 3 more defensive 2nd teams,and the NBA rookie of the year award
gerizzyYMcrew Also KG has been reduced to a useless player, while Tim Duncan has kept his team as one of the best in the west for his whole career, and there was only one season with Tim Duncan that the Spurs had less than 50 wins and that is because there were only 50 games
To sum it up,
TD: Had good role players and AllStars in 'The Admiral', Tony, Manu.
KG: Bad role players during his Minnesota years, basically had to carry them on his back. Going to Boston past his prime with Ray&Paul.
The road KG took to win that 1 ring, if he had to do it all over again he would, thats what fuels him, failure after failure, nobody likes to lose, but he didn't gave up and 13 years later he won his 1st ring. I know TD 4rings>KG 1 ring, but the road to their 1st ring respectively was different.
He had Cassell and The Strangler... Number one seed, and still got bounced...
He was the type to need everything to be better than the other teams to close the deal, kinda like Durant did.
Keep your excuses, Duncan was better, and his individual greatness was validated by guys who played the position Malone and Barkley. They say he's the best 4 man, and I'll roll with them over haters.
5 now
@@TheRealist1. bro in the series they lost in 6 games to the lakers was because cassell got hurt so kg had to play point guard dont act like the wolves had depth in their lineup educate yourself
@@bryscul22 you can make all of the excuses you want... The fact still remains
@@TheRealist1. he not making excuses that was a fact. I don't care if he would've won against LA cuz Minnesota damn sure wasn't fucking wit them Pistons that year
the funny thing is KG played 147 games more and tim duncan still produced better stats. along with rings.
Quit hating
Kevin Garnett better bro im sorry
@@Suge8263 no he's not
Please add that he played with a better team and coach!
We all know duncan is superior if you watch hem play, it is obvious
1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin McHale
3) Malone
4) Barkley
5) Garnett / Nowitzki
davidrivas305 Where do you rank Bob Pettit?
McHale over Malone and kg? Really
Adam Gottlieb I didn't had the chance to watch Bob Pettit play. I read some things about him and watched some film, but that's it. I'm sure he is right there with the greatest, but I'm bias towards the 80's onward. The NBA and basketball in general has evolved a lot since the 50's, probably as good as he was, he couldn't compete with later generations.
shamier smith I'm not going to bad mouth Malone. He is as good as they come. But to my eyes, McHale had better fundamentals and the best post moves ever in the history of the game alongside Olajuwon. In top of that he has three rings and had many more moves and resources than Malone. McHale was obviously not as stronger as Malone, but he had better basketball IQ. He was the better player.
davidrivas305 Which Malone though?
KG is my favorite player in all of sports since I'm from Minnesota but I've accepted that Duncan is the better player. Even if you put KG on the Spurs and compared it to what Duncan has done with the Spurs, Duncan's teams either would win more or look more impressive doing so if they won the same amount, though Garnett with David Robinson would probably be better than Duncan-Robinson based on spacing but Garnett with Ginobili and Parker, which when talking about Duncan is how you should measure him with those teammates, wouldn't work as well for KG than Duncan.
The thing is Duncan does the two most impactful things on offense and defense better than Garnett, which is low-post offense and low-post defense. On offense, being a great post player means you have an unstoppable shot that is highly effective since you're closer to the rim. On defense, being a great low-post defense means that everyone has to rely on perimeter shot since they can't drive it in and if they do, it's going to be contested, which is especially so in today's NBA where defenses try to funnel players into taking shots inside against great low-post defenders.
Also, versatility-wise, Garnett worked better as a ball-handler, perimeter shooter, and perimeter defender but I could go the other way and say Duncan had versatility with a good inside-out game since he had that nice bank shot to compliment his post scoring, along with either defending the C or PF spot except with less range as a defender but like I said, low-post defense trumps all. Passing-wise and rebounding-wise, they were the same.
Mahad Mohamed Im a Duncan fan and I appreciate your honesty. Garnett is great but what Timmy has won with 4 different teams
Mahad Mohamed Duncan is Number 3 on all time playoff win shares while KG isn’t even in top 20 and TD is in the top 10 in rebounds, points, and blocks in the playoffs beating KG in every category and TD was more effective than KG at the end of both there careers TD was still good for 10 points while KG was barely scoring above 5 and both were good on defense but TD made All Defensive team more times anyway.
If you put KG on the Spurs with Pop and the same supporting cast, he would have 5 rings too
I think you may have overlooked one thing that could have made the difference in KG's career if he had been on Duncan's Teams...The Coach KG out of High school probable would have been ready to soak up what ever knowledge Popovich was teaching! I believe KG was the better Athlete, a legendary coach early in his career fresh out of high school might have made a huge difference! Also playing along side David Robinson early in his career as you mention already! Practicing against David Robinson everyday might have made him a much better low post defender and gave him a more polished game in the post offensively!
Two of the greatest power forwards of all time
If a person says that Duncan had help, they lost the argument. Nobody could've predicted that tony and Manu were going to be all-stars. Garnett played with stars too...he just wasn't able to lead and develop his teammates. Garnett teamed with 2 all-stars(like lebron) and barely won 1 title. He had a great coach too...your excuses are sad.
Wow your stupid as shit
The truth hurts.......
Better player = KG
Better career/legacy = Tim Duncan
Overall = Tim Duncan
You have to remember KG carried the *Minnesota Timberwolves* to the *Western Conference Finals* in his MVP year and lost to the great *Lakers* in *six* games.
Duncan had an amazing team his whole career. I'm not taking any credit from him but Imagine KG in the Spurs system in his prime years.
Well since eveyone saw his stats greatly diminish when he had to split stats with 2 other established superstars and an up and comer point guard in Boston, I'd imagine his stats would be similar to inferior to Duncan's. He was on the overloaded celtics team for 6 years and only managed one ring, proving Tim Duncan is the best winner at that position all time.
My sentiments exactly. If you talk about career, yes, Duncan is better. If you're talking about actual talent and gift, KG is better. KG is individually a better player than Duncan.
If I could choose out of the 2, I'd choose Kevin without any hesitation...he's so versatile
Tim led his team to an NBA championship his second year in the league, that counts for a lot. It seemed to me at first that Kevin was a little better than Duncan, was scoring and rebounding at higher rates but personal stats do not necessarily = the "best". Knowing how to work within your team has proven just as valuable as personal skill. Who knows what KG could have done in Duncan's actual shoes, having a great coach like pop and great players around him. Since we don't know we just have to look at who wins playoff games the most. If winning is any measure.
Duncan won a shorten season championship *asterisk*
KG won a super team chip *
2 of the greatest PFs of all time..But in my opinion KG is better..The intensity, the leadership, the defence, the strength, the hustle..A much more cerebral player also..But Timmy is also an incredibly reliable PF with decisiveness, great basketball IQ and high offensive awareness..And oh..RINGS DON'T MAKE PLAYERS..GET THAT IN YOUR THICK SKULL PEOPLE
Well that's your opinion and I accept it.But like I said I believe rings do not make players great..And no..Tim is not a better defender than KG..How can you say that?They have exactly the same height and they do exactly the same job in the paint..Plus KG can play excellent perimeter defence..I think that KG in his prime is a lot better than Tim but if someone compares them today in 2013-2014 KG looks very rusty and old but Duncan looks fresh and can still provide for the team.In terms of overall presence in the NBA Tim wins easily but in terms of basketball IQ, physical qualifications and dominance I choose the Big Ticket..I would love to hear the contradiction from you
I really like how this conversation turns out..It's like I'm in a forum or something..Well Duncan was amazing in the '03 playoffs and I can't argue that.Yes he made it to the playoffs more times than KG (I think Tim is on the top 10 players in playoff time in general)..Yes Tim has 4 rings while KG just one..But we have to think of how unlucky Kevin was..Remember Malik Sealy?How unfortunate could that be for Malik at first and for Garnett also..This death crushed his inner strength, messed up his mentality in an era which KG and Sealy where like brothers..Remember Stephon Marbury and the way he left KG alone in the Wolves in 99?I believe with Marbury and Garnett the Wolves had a chance to the finals..I also believe that Manu and Parker where bound to become great players I don't think Duncan made them..So comparing the teammates of both players in certain eras I think Kevin was very unlucky in his prime not having a strong player both mentally and physically to help him.. :)
well I haven't given it too much thought..But I don't think I would rank Duncan higher than Bryant..I don't know it just doesn't seem right..And I would propably go like:MJ,Kareem,Bill Russel,Bird,Olajuwon,Magic,Oscar Robertson,Isiah Thomas,Karl Malone,Scottie Pippen and then Duncan (because of the titles and the overall presence in the NBA)otherwise Let's don't forget Dirk,Dr J and Shaq either..Don't comment about arl Malone's position in my list..He was playing basketball in MJ's era..That's a curse :)
Well I agree for Pippen.He propably should not be on the list but I will say it again that in MJs era everything is complicated :P ..But you are right about that.But I still believe that Kobe is a greater player than Tim..Not a better personality, although you should know that in practice sessions and in the locker room Duncan is like a soldier and not the most fun guy around..He takes no jokes and has a military-kind-of-theory for his game..He's waay to professional..Dunno sounds bad for me.As far as it concerns Kobe, I never liked the guy but he IS Kobe bryant..5 rings, 4 time NBA All-Star game MVP, 2 time NBA scoring champion, 2 time NBA Finals MVP, 15 time all star..I think he deserves to be higher than Tim despite the fact that he is an ass like you said..I totally agree with you about Pippen..Let's erase him from the list (I just got emotional because I liked him back in the day)MJ and Scottie, well you know....
I watched recently NBA open court and Charels Barkley, Kerr and MacGrady all said that Tim Duncan is without any doubt the best PF of all time, well I suppose thye know what they say.
Great game. I randomly googled Garnet vs Duncan and was treated to this. I miss those days. LakersDynasty42, thanks for posting this.
possibly the top 2 PF in nba history
Career wise , Duncan ! Actual talent/gift , I have to go with KG. KG is individually a better player than Duncan.
Tim Duncan managed to be a leader in more competitive teams and make the difference, he also managed to play good basketball for a longer period in his career.
KG a great player but Timmy is the best PF ever
They both are great in their own way and I respect them both. They gave us good battles from 98- 2008.
4:40 = a Sean Elliot sighting!!!
Forget how good HE was...
Two things that set Duncan over Garnett, first is defense. Second is temperament, people like to say that Tim was drafted into one of the best run organizations, but they fail to realize is that Tim is one of the main reasons it is so. He was always a teacher, young Manu and Parker would credit not just Pop but also Tim for helping them develop into the players they became. Time was very effective almost up until the end when his knee finally caught up with him, his game translated well into old age, but more importantly he was a leader and teacher. Put KG into the same locker room and you would not have had the same result.
I'm a KG stan but I can admit TD is the greatest PF ever by a long margin, with KG second and Dirk 3rd (Malone played with the second best PG throughout his whole career and then a stacked Lakers and couldn't do much, Barkley carried some teams but again lost with Phoenix and Houston and couldn't defend).
I always maintain that those who thinking them switching teams would make a difference are idiots. Tim can raise his game in big moments, KG can't. Whilst rings don't make players, it does show how much of an impact on the guys around him the main dude has. Tim made Parker and Manu, won Robinson (a former MVP) chips and showed that he has been the best player over the past 15 years bar none. KG is a better defender (both individually through pick and roll switches and guarding all 5 men in Minne and coaching others), better passer (averaged 4 or more in 10 years, I don't think Tim has ever averaged more than 3.8) and a slightly better rebounder (grabbed more of the available in his prime). But Tim is a better leader, scorer, blocker, winner and talent.
Two all time greats, with Dirk being the best offensive option of all 3.
you forget to say how the spur did a better job of maintaining talent around timmy then t wolves did for kg I agree tim is 1 and kg 2 but by a far less margin kg prime years were wasted and when the t wolves final got him a little help in cassel and spree he took the team to the western conference finals playing all 5 postions in the playoffs to deal with injuries etc..
***** Well, then Duncan really is a C, Gary Payton is a SG and Barkley is a SF...
Clark you forget to mention the fact that TD robbed KG of an MVP for the 2002-2003 season.
Rovic Vi How do you figure? Statistically they are pretty similar, KG averaged more rebounds/assists and steals but again less points and blocks, whilst playing slightly more minutes and winning I think 10 less games if memory servers correctly. How can you be the MVP of the league with the 5th best record? He deserved it 100% in 03/04, that year is better than any-one Duncan year, but Duncan deserved both, he also won which proved it.
KG IS BETTER!!!
In their prime KG was WAY more talented than TD.. TD Also had Arguably the BEST COACH in NBA history TD had a basic game nothing flashy got the job done I'll admit.. KG led the league in rebounding FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (ONLY RODMAN 7 AND KARL MALONE 5 DID IT MORE) - TD never led the league in anything (well maybe championships) KG IS SECOND ALL TIME IN REBOUNDS KG is a better FT% shooter (+10% for his career)and then these:
- Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career
- Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons
- Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season
- Fourth player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year during his career
Duncan also went to the western conference finals 3 of the last 6 seasons in 2008, 2012, and 2013.
Tim Duncan is the greatest player in history
And you're brain damaged
Séamus Kelly Lmfaoo, I commented that 5 years ago and you wanted to call me brain damaged, thanks bro
@J B Its just my way of saying that you're wrong
Best power forward ever Tim Duncan, you can't argue with that!
Kevin Garnett------ Tim Duncan
22.5 Pts--------------21.6Pts
12.7 Reb-------------11.7 Reb
5 Ast-------------------3.2 Ast
1.5 Blk----------------2.4 Blk
1.2 Stl-----------------0.8 Stl
49% FG---------------50% FG
80% Free Throw--69% Free Throw
124.6 Win Shares - 119.8 Win Shares
65.8 VORP -------- 53.5 VORP (Value over Replacement Player)
99-08
For 8 straight seasons, KG was the best Power Forward in the league. Robbed of at least 1 MVP by Duncan because he played for a better team. 4 time league leader in rebounding.
Last time I checked Duncan never led the league in rebounding.....
When compared to Duncan. KG more than stacks up, but gets crap because the T-Wolves never gave him anyone to work with.
Everyone likes to forget that KG was playing POINT GUARD at 7 foot tall in the 04 conference finals because we didn't have anyone but KG.....
Put Tim Duncan on the 04 T-Wolves and they don't make it out of the first round......
+SixtySixNation Lol yea this post isn't biased at all.. KG put up SLIGHTLY better offensive numbers on a much worse team. That's easier to do. Duncan was/is the backbone to a perennial title contender. He's been better for longer as well. KG was been washed for a couple years now. The Spurs are in the middle of their 19th (!!) straight season of 50+ wins. What Duncan's done is truly remarkable. And if you really want to play the stats game, then here, have a look at what someone else posted in the comments already:
Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs.
KG Playoff career averages:
18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg
TD Playoff career averages:
21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg
I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.
+Brandon Van
"I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002."
You know, I could counter by saying Tim Duncan Averaged 29ppg/17/rbg/5apg/3bpg in the 02 conference semi's.
But then we'd have to also look at his 5 Turn overs per game.
His 42% shooting.
And the fact he lost in 5 games.
The only game they won, they won in spite of Tim Duncan's 10 turnovers.
Tim Duncan's impact that season's post season was about as good as Kevin Love's during his time in Minnesota.
"Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs.
KG Playoff career averages:
18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg
TD Playoff career averages:
21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg"
There is a reason I removed the latter portion of KG's career.
KG's game is built on Athleticism. Nobody here is arguing that Tim Duncan had a worse career than KG, or that KG has more longevity in his game than Tim Duncan.
I'm talking about Prime vs Prime, who was a better individual player.
KG's Post season stats in his prime years 99-08
22.3 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 4.5 apg / 1.4 spg / 1.6 bpg
Tim Duncan's Post season stats during the same years:
23.4 ppg / 12.7 rpg / 3.5 apg / .7 spg / 2.4 bpg
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Again, I'm not saying that KG had a better career than KG. But only a fool would compare rings in a team sport.
1 for 1, KG was a better individual player than Duncan.
Would KG have won 5 rings in SaS? Probably not, his personality does not fit with the great spurs organization and their philosophy.
Would Tim Duncan have been able to carry the 04 wolves to the Conference finals?
Not a chance in hell.
+Brandon Van
People love to bring up career averages like he didnt sacrifice his stats in Boston
+SixtySixNation You're living in a fantasy world. The only time Garnett was ever better than Duncan was his MVP season. That's it. Duncan was always the better player.
Rob G Given that I brought evidence, and you just made a claim with no evidence. I think we know who is right here.
Duncan, hands down. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duncan sorrounds many talented player..
Young KG in Minnesota is a beast. Unfortunately, he had to face some of the super teams such as the Lakers, Spurs, Kings. When I saw this vid, comparing how Lebron played in Miami, there is no way that Lebron can beat this young Garnett 1on1.
Yes he can lol
it would be one hell of a matchup...i see garnett's intensity against lebron...so it is strongly possible.
I always thought that Garnett was better, but every basketball coach I had growing up always mentions Tim Duncan. Tim could do so much by doing so little. Tim is like the master of fundamentals, and he became a star doing it. Most basketball fans don't like Tim Duncan because he doesn't do 360 and windmill dunks or flashly crossover moves.
But Garnett is one of my favorite players of all time.
timmmyyy!! both great players... but i will always pick timmy
Its also crazy how similar they are when it pretains to how they approach the game, they both play the mind game, KG get all up in your face trying to break you down, Duncan is like a rock, you can dunk, block, bump him over and wont be phased by it...
If only the T-wolves were a better team/franchise, KG and Duncan could've had some epic playoff battles throughout the era.
I'm pretty sure KG would have just as many titles had he played with Ray Allen and Pierce his entire career like Duncan has with Manu/Parker.Tim's got to play with David Robinson. Hes had a top 5 NBA coach all-time since he was drafted. Look at what the Timberwolves have done with Love since KG finally got out of there. Its just a bad franchise. "TD was just able to do it for so much longer", no shit. His team never relied completely on him. Have you seen what Pop does with minutes? He has been sitting these guys at the end of the season forever while KG played on O.K to bad teams that relied on him the entire game.
No, I disagree. They still had to content with the West. Lakers and Spurs would have a lot to do with them not winning titles. Also, you can't discard that they always had a hard time beating the Heat, that they finally went to plan B. Disbanded the team. Your argument has been proven wrong by the same team you are making a case for, the Celtics.
If Manu and Parker played with Garnett, neither one of them would be mentioned as Hall of Famers. Basketball is about role playing, letting everyone contribute. Duncan can shoot jump shots just like KG but that is not his role. He is an inside player letting Manu and Parker play the perimeter. KG wants to do it all.
Look at great teams, they have clear defined roles for their players, it is not a coincidence. If you play with Duncan when he was young you knew you would get open look jump shots when he was on the blocks.The same thing with the Lakers with Shaq and Gasol you could depend on them on the blocks opening things up for their teammates. It is reason why San Antonio and the Lakers have won the most championships in the last 15 years.
If you play with KG and Dirk where are you playing off them when they are shooting jumps shots too. As great of players as KG and Dirk have been through the years they each only have one championship. Both of them had strong inside presence from role players on teams when they did win. If they both were strong inside players they would have won multiple championships. Although they are both seven footers in their heyday they could have both been 6'6". They dominated with their skills not their size. A big man should dominate with his size and skills, he has plenty of other talented teammates who aren't seven feet. You cannot coach size, use that talent under the basket then every team has to double and triple you opening it up for your teammates.
Even in modern day basketball all these big men that shoot threes do not make their teams that great if they do not have an strong inside presence.
"His team never relied on him completely"... 2003 called...
Nobody can win a championship by themselves but Tim Duncan did
The Spurs never relied on Duncan, right there you killed your argument.
they are both incredible, i can't figure out who is better...
I've always felt that Flip Saunders squandered a lot of Garnett's potential and that under a different coach early in his career Garnett could have been one of if not the best in recent memory. Making Garnett into a power forward and turning him into a somewhat generic post player was a huge mistake in my opinion. KG came into the league as a wing player and was crossing people up at 7 feet tall with all kinds of agility. His length and speed let him play great perimeter defense too and not just post. I don't think people really knew what Garnett was and what to do with him, so they just looked at his height and put him in the standard bigman role. Granted, Garnett's attitude of being content with his game because his numbers were above average didn't help. But I blame his coaches for some of that too.
As Garnett was used and how their circumstances ultimately played out, you can say Duncan was better than him. But Garnett was more talented than Duncan could ever think of being and if I was starting a team I'd take Garnett over him.
How would you play KG?
As a stretch 4, or pick and roll type big?
I don't know what other style he could've played tbh.
He was a really unique player though. I wouldn't know WTF to do with him either.
***** Well you could switch him up as needed, but I would have played him at small forward as a total match-up headache for opposing teams and run more plays for him as a score-first option. I'd have also made him primarily a roaming perimeter defender a la Andrei Kirilenko, but have him lock in on his man if defending a good scorer. Garnett could have and probably should have been regularly top 3 in scoring. It's also wild to me that he wasn't utilized to get more roving blocks and steals.
TheRiggedBA His contract screwed thw T Wolves. He signed for a stupid amount before the 98-99 lockout. Acutally pissed off Marbury that he was making significantly less. Then they changed the rules for what rookies could make coming out of their first contract. Long story short they were not able to put the right pieces around Garnett consistently.
*****
He also guarded Wizards Mike and held his own against him, this was the Mike before knee injury so it still meant something to guard him. I can't think of any 7 footer who could hold his own consistently guarding an elite perimeter player throughout a game. And then you add his team defensive impact with Boston and his shot-blocking/rebounding and being able to lead a team in 5/5 categories for a whole season - doing it all on both ends. Top 10 defensive player ever easy
Wolves = 4-21 (0.160 win%) without KG during his first stretch in MIN
Kobe Not Top 100
KG had poor teams in MIN but he didnt even get out the first round once except for 2004, and that's when the Wolves added Latrell Sprewell who almost outplayed Kobe in the 2004 WCF
*2004 WCF*
Kobe
24.3 - 4.0 - 5.5 - 1.5 - 0.3 on 41%
Sprewell
20.8 - 4.0 - 5.0 - 1.5 - 0.0 on 41%
plus they added Sam Cassell to the 2004 team
When Duncan was injured in 2000, the defending champion Spurs lost in the first round with home court to the Suns and Jason Kidd only played 1 game for the Suns in that series
When KG was injured in 2009, the Celtics made the 2nd round without him and took the EC champ Magic to 7 games without him
KG had a better supporting cast on the Celtics and still only got 1 ring with them, and he was playing in the weak East
Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 9 playoff series
Garnett = led his team in 4/5 categories in 4 playoff series
Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in the 2001 WCF
(only PF to do this in a playoff series)
Garnett = never led his team in 5/5 categories in a playoff series
Duncan = led his team in 5/5 categories in 2001 WCF
Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 WCF
Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2008 WCF
Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in a WCF or ECF
Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2003 Finals
Duncan = led his team in 4/5 categories in 2007 Finals
Garnett = never led his team in 4/5 categories in an NBA Finals
Duncan does much more for his team than KG.
PS. Shaq = never led his team in 4/5 categories in any playoff series, in any round, ever
But Garnett has his advantages over Duncan especially when they both were in their prime. Garnett was great defensively obtaining more defensive rebounds which limits opponents scoring. His ball handling was what made Garnett a 3/4 forward, his penetration on offense and the ability to pull up with a clutch jump shot mm
I always thought Duncan was just more smooth than Garnett. He just looks more natural with his moves. KG was the better athlete tho.
All I can say IS KG IS A BEAST! One of the best to ever do it @that position. If I were an NBA owner, i would take da Big Ticket on my squad any day. He can defend, block shots, pass and score. KG has one of the smoothest touches when shooting (for a big man) that I've ever seen! Plus he brings a passion to the game like none other! If Kevin Garnet can't motivate you to win then I don't know who can*
Signed-2real4realB-real
Da beast frum da east
B.BRADFORD
Duncan is and has always been greater than KG.
I like both of them and I think is hard to compare which one is better, but I love KG for his passion in the game and how he motivates his team!
tim duncan will go down as the greatest power forward of all time, but kg will always be the guy that played with the most heart imo
Just because Duncan didn't act like Garnett does not mean Kevin played with more heart or passion. Some players, like Duncan, keep their intensity in check, and only display it at certain times. Not on every play because it is not necessary.
don't confuse heart with attitude. Look how much heart TD has shown over the years.
I like Pop but Like Doc Rivers he wasn't really known as a great coach before their winning days which just so happen to be when TD arrived and the celtic big 3 arrive. So I give a big chunk of the Spurs success to Tim rather than Pop. Also Tony Parker and Mano were made into good players by TD, that's basically my point. those guys were not expected to be good but they became what they are cause of TD. If I recall parker was drafted 28 and mano in the 2nd round, that basically says it all.
not to mention KG played longer than duncan and duncan still produced better stats.
gerizzyYMcrew Their head to head match stats were pretty much the same.. Btw Timmy won a good amount of those games 32-19
Ed Tidor Tim usually had a better team though
oreoking360 lol that dude gerizzyYMcrew delete his comment so you didnt see what he typed.
maybe because nobody wanted to draft timmy out of highschool
Adam Brunmeier huh, what do you mean? Timmy got a scholarship to wake forest. KG wanted to go to college but he wasn't able to pass the ACT that would let him play bball in college.
It's great to see two GOATS
duncan is the greatest PF of all time, end of story
you must have missed kg in his prime, cause he was a beast and more versatile than duncan...so overall yea td obviously is producing better numbers at this point of their career but back then kg had a slight edge over every pf...of the league he was a smooth beast
cariocabassa Did I say anything about one players prime vs another? I'm talking about a full career, body of work, which players overall package was the best. That means your prime, your later years, your awards, moves, stats, accolades, EVERYTHING. And no, I did not miss KG in his prime, his years with the wolves were amazing, and it's simply a shame they could never put the right pieces around him. If anything, he was too loyal and should have left for greener pastures earlier than he did. Maybe he leaves 2 years earlier and wins 3 rings instead of 1, and we could be talking about him in the conversation of the best ever.
I agree with everything but him being a better fit on the Spurs. No player fits in better with a coach, playing style and culture as Tim Duncan does with the Spurs.
Good old NBA days.
both of these guy were my fav pf's back than
It's odd to say it, but KG may end up being one of the more underrated players in history. I don't know if people realize how amazing he really was in his prime in Minnesota, I don't think there's any question that if he had more championships, he'd easily be considered at least a top 5 power forward of all time, if not possibly top 5 big man of all time.
But anything Kevin can do, Duncan can do better.
KG IS BETTER!!!
In their prime KG was WAY more talented than TD.. TD Also had Arguably the BEST COACH in NBA history TD had a basic game nothing flashy got the job done I'll admit.. KG led the league in rebounding FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (ONLY RODMAN 7 AND KARL MALONE 5 DID IT MORE) - TD never led the league in anything (well maybe championships) KG IS SECOND ALL TIME IN REBOUNDS KG is a better FT% shooter (+10% for his career)and then these:
- Only player in NBA history to reach at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks in his career
- Only player in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists per game for 6 consecutive seasons
- Third player in NBA history to lead his team in all five major statistics (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks) in the same season
- Fourth player in NBA history to win Most Valuable Player and Defensive Player of the Year during his career
Yeah but Garnett was a garbage teammate. Even old teammates said that. It's not Tim Duncan's fault he played with other greats to split stats with. The thing is, Duncan has been successful with different supporting casts for years and years, ever single consecutive year to be exact. Garnett was given teammates here and there as well, but never helped them be successful like Tim Duncan did for his. Some of his old teammates who were actually pretty good talked about this. Terrell Brandon, Sczerbiak, Troy Hudson, Rasho Nesterovic, even Chauncy Billups. They all talked about how he would just act like a selfish kid through stretches of a season, which most players out of high school tend to do. And we all know what teams Nesterovic and Billups went to, and the success they had with them. Nesterovic was asked which power forward he thought was better, and he didn't hesitate to say Tim Duncan. Chauncy Billups talked about the night and day difference, and his excitement to be in a team that could use his skills. It's not like Garnett wasn't given the chances Tim Duncan was given, it's that he didn't utilize his team to the best of their abilities. The problem with Timmy is that he was an obsessed winner, while Garnett was just an obsessed individual.
Even if KG played with Popovich instead of Duncan, Spurs would not become a greater team.
TD created systems, but KG couldn't. No team could rely on KG 's offense skill. TD got double team by his own lowpost offense skill and made his teammate open.
And, Karl Malone never lead rebounding. You mean Moses Malone?
I never watched Wilt but I've watched interviews of people who played with him or watched him and they all talk about him like he was a super human
In their primes, KG was better. Don't take this as me saying he was significantly better, only marginally. Overall TD had the better career and sustained a higher level of play. Once KG's athleticism went out the window, you could notice all his major flaws. Both will go down as some of the best PF's ever, but only TD will be argued to be the best.
+noobhealz402 Duncan has also had the virtue of being very lucky.
(Which he has admitted himself) Me personally, I think he's the luckiest superstar in sports history.
He was never in a KG, Anthony Davis, Demarcus Cousins situation.
Being on good teams your whole career get to relax more, mentally and physically during the season. It's helped Duncan last longer.
While KG is the complete opposite...His body was destroyed, putting it all on the line every single game. No rest, all grind.
I think no one on earth can deny...In their primes...it's not even a question who was better.
+noobhealz402 "In their primes, KG was better." LOL that's probably the most ignorant comment ever.
+noobhealz402 Disagree. Duncan was literally unguardable in his prime. And he's always been the better shot-blocker. Both were great players, but Duncan was slightly better imo. Plus Duncan carried his team to a title in '03 without another All-Star on the roster. Dirk in '11 and Hakeem in '94-'95 are the only other 2 players to do that in the last 30 years.
+Richie A so if someone speaks out their opinion that you dont agree its ignorant? Now that is ignorant
Kevin Garnett was nicknamed "The Kid" back in Minnesota when he was in his prime. Kevin Garnett was a beast playing all five postilions in a playoff series against the L.A. Lakers but the Lakers eliminated Minnesota from the playoffs. Just like everyone else when they feel they can't win because they don't have the supporting cast he left for Boston to join the Celtics but nobody criticized him like Lerbon James was criticized when he left for the Miami Heat.
Kevin Garnett is great power forward but Tim Duncan is the best power forward ever...
How about we just appreciate greatness, and stop the comparison between these amazing players.
Duncan is hands down the best PF in the era. KG is more versatile and can fulfill multiple roles, but Duncan, he has such a wide array of basic skills that he doesn't even need to do anyth flashy. Even when he's only averaging 20 or minutes he still averages about 15 points. If u're a learner of the game, Duncan is the player to learn from.
Garnett was such a beast. Wow.
Well, Duncan transformed the Spurs into an always contender team. Garnett had exactly the same opportunity with Minnesota but achieved nothing, absolutely nothing.
yea except for his whole team sucked besides him for so many years
No, wrong.
Duncan arrived to the Spurs in '97, since then the Spurs have reached the playoffs every single year. You know in order to do that you need the support of your team.; something that Garnett didn't have.
I think you are confusing the Spurs with the Timberwolves and Duncan with Garnett.
yea my bad i actually meant garnett here
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Got it.
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Every Year? Damn Duncan is amazing, I can't wait to see his retirement so they can show all them highlights :)
"More than that, by reaching the latest in his mash-up of big number thresholds - at least 25,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 5,000 assists, 1,500 steals and 1,500 blocks - Garnett joined an elite class of … one."
No one in league history has reached that kind of versatile accolade. The guy is still the only player in nearly 40 years to lead the league in total points and rebounds in a season. His MVP ceremony, Stern said last time was 29 years ago, that was 10 years ago.
KG had the better peak play, Duncan was better in every other aspect. Put KG prime mvp (04) against the same prime Duncan (03), dude... KG would won, but a very low margin.
You mean when Duncan won the championship and Garnett was at home watching?
Ry Bur Duncan had the better team
Really? Look up Sprewell's career stats compared to Ginobili's. Look up Cassell's compared to Parker's. Not to mention guys like Wally Sczcerbiak who made the all-star team. Garnett just wasn't ever on the same level as Duncan, period.
Ry Bur Well, then look at their coaches, lol
Individually, KG have a slight advantage over Duncan, that's my point. Duncan obviously has a better career. Prime KG is a bit more taller and has the overall athleticism, rebound, defense and range advantage compared to Duncan, Tim is superior in everything else. A 1x1 matchup, forget the team, would be very close. Not only KG but Malone as well are better individual players than Duncan in my opinion. But individuality means nothing in the NBA.
No, Garnett is garbage on offense compared to Duncan and has to have a point guard set him up for his buckets. Duncan was a dominant low post player earlier in his career and now is a great jump shooter for a big man. Rasho Nesterovic played with both in their primes and didn't hesitate when he was asked who the better player was; Duncan.
Wow, I actually remember a lot of these moments. :)
I'm also amazed that Duncan and Garnett are even still playing today, let alone at good levels for their ages (though Garnett is clearly more in his twilight than Duncan). Both players have a very good if not inevitable shot at reaching one of the Holy Grails of basketball: 15,000 career rebounds. It still surprises me that both Duncan and Garnett have been able to play long enough to get 15,000, given that most of their peers haven't been nearly as durable.
your icon is nba live 08 player
Juli Love Heh, it's actually from NBA Live '05.
But yeah, congratulations to Duncan for grabbing his 15,000th rebound last week! :)
both of them are good they have talent too but garnet is too flashy and selfish while TD is just a simple gameplay with a heart for his team this is the reason why TD > KG I'm just look for the quality not the quantity but still both of them are great players in a different way of basketball...
+Black Squerryl agreed
+Disappointed Knick's Fan be*
Not a Spurs fan, but a big fan of Duncan. Really hurt to see him lose the 2013 finals..
Prime Time KG is the best PF ever
+cem ertugrul no way no how....that spot belongs to KARL MALONE!! altho KG and TD are still great players...but they are not better then karl malone...for me all time bets 3 PF where, karl malone, (here i would put denis rodman just because he was anomaly who could shut down anyone in any position at any time of nba history) then perhaps kevin mchale and tim duncan
+cem ertugrul Na Tim Duncan was better. Duncan carried his team to a Championship in 2003 without another All-Star on the roster. Won MVP that year too.
cem ertugrul you're telling me he's better than Prime Tim Duncan, Prime Malone, and Prime Dirk!
hey man I did a video where I ask fans like yourself who they think was better check it out ruclips.net/video/kDvO5Hu6D1Q/видео.html
Prime Time KG was hiding in Playoff......
I don't necessarily disagree, but an argument can be made to the contrary. At the same time, playing against a good defense/team defense that take away your mastered scoring options, and you'll find yourself getting clogged. Whereas, if you are above average or good with more moves, then you'll always be able to put up a good shot vs. putting up a tough shot in traffic (even if Duncan still makes a good amount of them).
Dumb argument. I watch basketball, sometimes, and Kevin Garnett was SMALL FORWARD for most of his career!
Tim Duncan also played CENTER when the Spurs won in 2005 and 2007!
Great players but the best power forward of all-time = Elvin Hayes, Kevin McHale, Karl Malone, and Josh McRoberts!
dumb fan
Please just stop talking kid.
KD was a powerfoward his hole carrier. TD have played PF and C olmost 50%/50%, Duncan is better close to the rim and KD is better outside.
Anibal Salaris Kevin Durant?
Anibal Salaris KD is still playing first off, and second off he is a small forward
Tony Parker actually made his debute in 2005. He was starting to show some spark and became the Spurs second player in 04, but in 05 was when he, and Ginobli became official.
DUNCAN!!!!!!!! Best Power Forward EVER!
Tim isnt more versatile but he is great at certain aspects while Kg was like a swiss army knife good at everything master of none
Tim Duncan in his late 30's was the second best player on a championship team. KG in his late 30's was riding the pine for the T'wolves.
im from San Antonio and i love the spurs more than anything else in the world. Timmy is the best powerfoward of all time, what seperates him from garnnet from duncan is two things. 1.Duncan is a better passes, especially out of doubles. 2. Duncan was drafted by a great franchise which has stability and better pieces that garnett ever had in Minnesota. You saw what he did in Boston when he had help around him. Always wished spurs could get Garnett. Love his passion and vocality as a leader.
even though kg is 2nd to timmy, give me kg to lead my team.
+steve johnson Not even second to Timmy. 3rd behind Dirk in his era lol
+Mo TV Dirk in 2011>>KG ever. And offense is more important than defense in the NBA
lol @ end of discussion. KG had a better all around game, but Dirk was a much better scorer. KG never carried a team to a championship like Dirk did in 2011 and almost did in 2006. KG wasnt even the 1st option on those Celtic teams. Dirk never had a legit star around him and made the Mavs a contender for an entire decade. KG made the T-Wolves a contender 1 year. In the playoffs, which matter the most...
Dirk: 25.3--10.0--2.5
KG: 18.7--10.7--3.3
"End of discussion"
+Mo TV You need to read my post again. Those are what they both average in the playoffs. And are you really gonna act like Dirk had that much more talent around him than KG. The best player Dirk ever played with was Nash who left before he entered his prime cause Cuban didn't wanna pay him. Despite that, Dirk took the Mavs to at least the 2nd round 7 times, to the Finals twice and won a ring. KG took the Twolves out of the 1st round once and they never got to the Finals.
Mo TV In the late 90's, he had Stephon Marbury (tho I was never a fan) and Tom Gugliotta who was an all-star. When Marbury left, he had Terrell Brandon. He had Wally/ Latrell Sprewell/Cassell and couldnt get the job done in 04 and missed the playoffs all together in 05. Stop acting like he played with nothing but bums in Minnesota. Dirk led the most efficient offense in the league from 2000 to 2007. Bottom line is, Dirk led the Mavs to multiple deep runs in the playoffs and a ring which is far more than KG did in Minnesota. Even individually, Dirk was better than Garnett when it mattered most which is the postseason.
Because a 1 on 1 game is very very different than a team game. Monta Ellis in his prime would wash Jason Kidd in his prime, but which would you rather have on your TEAM?
Duncan : Best PF of NBA
Garnett : Best PF of Timberwolves
No, your not judging their impact of that star player. basically what I'm saying is that KG played with as good talents around him than TD, the only difference is that stat that's not in the #s and that is making players around you better which TD trumps KG.
What a joke, KG is sth similar to Pau Gasol, u cant compare him with T. Duncan.
STFU pau and kevin garnett r u high? KG in his prime is a top 10 all time PF avergin 22 13 and 2 like 7 years in a row pau never even sniffed those stats stop with that nonsense. KG and tim duncan is a comparison that makes a ton of sense.
Agreed about gasol is nonsence... KG much better... but still im cannot see a way, how KG can be compared with TD... Nervous man VS calm strategy man... common.. :)
Pau Gasol is only a 4 time all star.
@@juwelzbluntz and 2? Man... Even the people defending KG underestimate him. Make that 5 assists bro
I feel this, I can definitely agree with this. Not so sure about Duncan being the better player, he's played a better role on his team's because we've seen him in his prime and win, while KG won literally at the end of his prime. I'd say it's a tie, Duncan is just better at being a big man, but KG is the better basketball player because of his "position-less" skillset ya know what I mean?
Garnett was a beast like 8 years ago, now he's an old bum. Duncan can still play at a championship level obviously, better teammate and passer.
Kevin Garnett was an all-star 2 years ago. He's going into his 20th season.
It would be not human if he didn't decline.
Tim Duncan never averaged 4 Assists for a season EVER.
While KG did it for 10 straight seasons...KG and Kareem Abdul-Jabber are the only big man in the top 50 for assists All-Time.
So to say Duncan is a better passer is inaccurate.
And a better teammate?? Lol...Thats funny.
Kushton Slater he is a better teammates and has more rings than garnet.
Imagine if Kevin garnet and tim Duncan on a team together win a championship together and retire together. Two legends 2 hall of famers.
Considering they absolutely hate each other personally, I doubt it.
THE BIG TICKET, HANDS DOWN
I don't think anyone could say with all certainty that either man is better than the other. They both have their own unique styles: Garnett, uber aggressive; Duncan, subliminally dominating. They both have terrific long-2 abilities, post moves and superior defense. Their career stats are almost identical. Really, check em out --it's eery. Timmy's got a lot more bling, but who's to say KG wouldn't have the same hardware given more comprable circumstances. Love em both! They are good for the game!
Ha what debate? Garnett is not even close to Duncan.
Very impressive stats, but they post that on the second place trophy or third place? Did he produce those stats when they mattered?
Out of all the greats Tim Duncan had it the easiest. Drafted to a hall of Fame center and once of the greatest coaches of all time. Plus 2 Hall of Fame players in manu and Tony. And a possible Hall of Fame player in Leonard.
Do not know what point you are trying to make with 'had it the easiest', but regardless of coach and teammates Tim still had to step on the court and play the game. Tim has also adapted his game to the competition and his free throw percentage has improved. Another false argument I hear is that Manu and Tony are only used to disprove Tim's success yet when they talk about the best point guard and 'sixth man' their names are never mentioned.
Who was Greg Popovich before 1999. How many Finals had San Antonio been in with David Robinson in between 1988 and 1998. You have to stop rewriting history. Duncan is the main catalyst behind the Spurs, just like Russell was for the Celtics.
The reason Manu and Tony are hall of Famers is the same reason all those players on the Celtics were Hall of Famers. When Duncan had those foot problems San Antonio was going no place.
***** I have no clue what I am saying when Kobe wasn't even drafted to the Lakers. Not to mention, Magic Johnson had to struggle a little bit before he really did anything. Tim Duncan has never missed the playoffs. And Pop was a coach who as mentored by the Larry Brown. One of the greatest coaches of all time. And Kobe had to struggle with that crap team in 06-07 which Tim Duncan never had to do because Tim Duncan never played with scrubs like Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. As for Jordan I'm not sure if you remember his time before the 90's or even with the Wizards. And Bird didn't have a good team for nearly as long as Tim Duncan did.
His legendary coach was so great that, previous to riding Duncan's coattails, he was responsible for an awesome 2-22 record as a college head coach.
Agreed.TD had players like David Robinson(although was mediocre after '98),Manu Ginobili,Tony Parker,Bruce Bowen and Robert Horry also role players like Steve Kerr,Steve Smith,Sean Elliot,Avery Johnson,Malik Rose,Stephen Jackson,and Brent Barry.K.G. never had that kind of quality help,he had Stephon Murbury,and non-matured C-Bills,but that was it.If he had been handed a talented squad like TD was handed,he would've been the "Greatest PF" but i consider him as the "Best PF" of his generation.
Tim Duncan never averaged 19/10/9 in one playoff
Garnett never won 5 championships
i guess Robert Horry is better than Tim Duncan then
chukk mane Are you really going to play that game? Tim Duncan's playoff stats are impeccable, and actually better than KGs.
KG Playoff career averages:
18.2ppg 10.7rpg 3.3apg 1.2spg 1.3bpg
TD Playoff career averages:
21.3ppg 11.7rpg 3.1apg 0.7spg 2.3 bpg
I could counter by saying KG never averaged 28ppg/15rpg/5apg/4bpg in a playoff like Tim did in 2002. Either way, the stats KG put up only once resulted in a championship, whereas Tim put up BETTER stats and won MORE rings, with a legitimate chance to get a 6th this year. KG's time as an elite player in the league lasted about 11 years from 1997 to 2008 while Timmy has been for his entire 17 year career. There's no doubt KG was an absolute force and a top 5 all time PF, but he cannot touch the GOAT PF.
Wait what? Did u say the Spurs has a chance this year lmfaooooo, Timmy D Hasn't been a dominant force since 2010 I must admit he steps up in the playoffs though, but don't over due it he's a solid all star he hasn't been a superstar since 2010 probably before that. Same as KG 2010 was his last "all star" like year. And don't bring rings into question Duncan obviously has had way better teams than KG his whole career even when he was in Boston. Put KG in a Spurs uniform and he'll win 10 rings GOAT. The real 21 FOH Kg far better defender than Timmy D.
In their primes Duncan was better and in old age Duncan is better. But what do you know you're just another nay sayer who say the Spurs don't stand a chance this year. After all these years and they still never learn.
KG is my favorite of all time
No doubt Duncan is better.
if you have a better teammates then its easier for you to produce those stats, but if you have a shitty team most of your career then you have to do most of the work yourself meaning you are more prone to mistakes.
TheHarslord I disagree. Shitty team means you take more shots and score more points because you have the green light to do whatever.
cflo1386 In their primes they were even to me, Duncan has obviously aged better
I think that KG has more moves on the block, so I suppose more versatile on the post. However, Timmy has taken 3 or 4 post moves and have as you said "mastered" it. So the argument is up to whether or not it's better to have a player that is good with more moves, or great with fewer moves. At the end of the day, that is practically a microcosm of KG and Duncan's careers when you compare these two All-Time greats
My All-time favorite players are
1. T-Mac
2. K.G.
3. Allen Iverson
But i have nothing but respect for Duncan!!
TD: Better basketball IQ, better post game, better team player, more reliability.
KG: Better athlete, better shooter, better mobility, more explosiveness.
Those two along with Dirk are 3 of the most versatile 7 footers in the history of basketball. They totally revolutionized the PF position.
Xun Wang Dirk Nowitzki does not belong in the "greatest PF of all time" convo. I dont understand why people keep inserting him in it. The man could not play defense....
Fro Buntu I didn't imply Dirk is the greatest PF, but for all the things he can do on the offense, he definitely deserves a mention. It's not like every superstar needs to play good D. Magic and Bird were legendary players but average defenders too.
Larry Bird was a great defender.... How else do you get 1 steal shy of a quadruple double?
Xun Wang
Hakeem is more versatile than all of them
Blueblur22 Wouldn't say horrible, but yeah.
i totally agree.. ring counts shouldn't be used as a measurement of a player's greatness.. correct me if i'm wrong but championship is won by a TEAM not by an individual player..
for those who are saying that Duncan have more MVP awards, if you're on a winning team, it's pretty easy winning an MVP title.. even with a crappy team, Garnett managed to win a season MVP award (2004)..
no matter what Duncan do, he can't match Garnett's intensity..
I don't see why many people claim Garnett would be nearly as successful as Duncan in the same shoes. Duncan is the only shot-clock era player to win 2 championships with 0 Playoff teammates averaging 16 PPG (1999 and 2003)
And the only post-1955 player along with Hakeem to win a title with 0 Playoff teammates of 15 PPG (Hakeem did it with 0 teammates of 14 PPG in 1994).
Duncan also took the Spurs to the 2001 WCF and 2002 WCSF when his best teammates Derek Anderson and David Robinson were injured.
The Spurs were 1-4 in the 2000 and 2002 Playoffs when Duncan was injured/did not play, despite playing lower seeds and injured teams (Suns without Kidd, Sonics without Lewis). So to claim that he was gifted with great supporting casts from the beginning is not true.
Garnett failed to pass the 1st Round with similar or better teams up to 2003, even when having 20+ PPG teammates in his 2002 and 2003 exits. And most of the time, Garnett didn't even lose to the best competition, only losing to an eventual NBA Finalist/Champion twice in Minnesota (1999 Spurs, 2004 Lakers)
When Garnett did lead a championship team and had good help around him in 2008, he had lesser numbers than Duncan did in any Playoff run from 1999-2007 including his 4 titles as the leader. Despite playing under easier defensive circumstances than the pre-2005 era.
Duncan's 2013 Finals (19-12-1-1-1 on 49/81) at age 37 was also equal or better than
Garnett's 2008 Finals (18-13-3-2-1 on 43/76) in his prime
while Duncan played against a better defensive and overall team.
Right, nobody has disagreed with you or that TD is a beast. He has a better team is what's being argued and you can't seem to wrap your head around that.
Ppl forget Duncan could've easily been the finals mvp instead of Kawhi last year.
I'll give him a slight edge ahead of KG just because he's still a force down low,putting up numbers and anchoring the Spurs defence as well as anybody,while KG just keeps getting them checks!!!
In my eyes,they are the best power forwards to ever play the game. They could simply do it all on both ends,unlike Karl dirk and Chuck who where mediocre defenders at best
He's not garbage now: just older. He's suffered more injuries than Timmy, especially with his legs. Look how he moves... KG's knees seem to buckle: his movement is not as fluid (more mechanical if that makes sense). He can still hit the mid-range J, put up double-doubles and play solid D. With this Brooklyn team, I'm sure he'll be more rejuvenated, but he is slowing down.
Without Perk, KG got manhandled by Gasol in Gm 7 of the 2010 Finals.....for that reason alone he can't be in Tim's class.
The intensity in this game vs the intensity of any game today is night and day different.
D-Wade still shows spurts of his superstar status for a good portion of the season; usually gets injured later in the season. Still, I would be interested to see what would've happened if they added KG instead of Bosh (via trade, amnesty, etc.).
I think Kevin Garnett has always more athletic than Tim Duncan. As far as who is better it is hard to dismiss what Tim has done. KG has a lot of intensity but that does not equate or guarantee success. Tim has helped earned 51 championship rings for 51 different players, not counting multiple championships, and has led his teams to 5 championships. When he joined the Spurs many said the twin towers could not win in all. They won two championships. Then when David retired again many said he could not win without David. He has won three more championships. In my opinion, Tim is definitely better than Kevin overall. As far as Dirk versus Kevin, I would pick Dirk over Kevin.
I have always been a KG fan since his rookie days, to be fair,Spurs comprises of more championship material as a team where TD benefited more compared to KG when he was with Wolves. Being in a all rounded team, TD was very much protected by his reliable team mates where spurs do not need to overexpose their star at an early age this leads to his longevity in playing, so old yet still so good. KG on the other hand has been placed in the furnace since day 1 almost at times single-handedly pulling his team through. By the time KG was in Celtics, it was nearing the end of his career and injuries took over his battled rammed body. KG is a more balanced player especially in his prime but TD simply excels in his task either as PF/C to such a high pedigree. Instead of comparing heads on, If you place TD and KG in a team together.. that would be out of the world. Similar to the Moses and Olajuwon era when they were in same team.