Yes sir...I forgot he was even on the cavs...I definitely remember he signed with the bulls because my heart broke lol but he didn't fit with that team..he left because he didn't like flip saunders...it sucks but hey he admitted he shouldn't have left and loved seeing his number retire
Tee Woodz I cried when we signed Muhammad . .he sucked man lmao he would've been a good backup but this dude replaced ben wallace in the starting lineup? Smh man I couldn't believe it LOL the hell was joe dumars thinking
Ben Wallace needs to go into the Hall of fame.. 1 of the toughest and strongest to ever do it...He was a great rebounder and defender #TheBeast #BigBenWallace
Put this man in the HOF... - 4x DPOY (tied for most by any player w/Mutombo) - 4x all-star - 2x ECF Champ - 1x NBA Champ - Anchor of the Pistons defense in the early & mid 2000s (went to 6 straight ECF and 2 straight NBA Finals) - Anchor of the '07 Bulls defense (swept the defending champs, Miami Heat in the 1st rd) - Anchor of the '08 Cavs defense (went 7 games with '08 champs; held them to their fewest ppg avg of any series that year)
Ben wasn't fully appreciated when he played and has certainly not gotten his correct due as an all time great defender. He HAS to be top 10 post defender of all time during prime stretch.....and my favorite of all....he did it without tactics, he didn't need to give cheap hits or fake tough talk. He just had one thing on his mind....OUT WORK YOU
Probably THE greatest post defender. He gave prime Shaq problems.The paint was on lockdown, and even if he had to switch to a guard, it wasn't a mismatch.
😭🤣😂😅😅😭🤧😓. #noflyzone. Other teams: -90 points agame.You know what is meant). Undrafted. Came in with the league's most popular draft class from the 90'$. A myth. Walking into the sunset 😍💙😎😭. "Daddy is it true he had a whole city wearing afros and the whole arena fighting for his team and him plus hold Shaq down even thou he was undersized and won a championship when nobody thought that they would"?,"Did you see him play"? yes and yes. Most certainly every game with my own afro.
you right. I loved him as a fan of the game. But i agree that he wasn't fully appreciated when he played. The league really tried to hype Howard when he won dpoy like 3 years in a row. Yeah howard had a couple good years in Orlando but he was NEVER a better defender than Big Ben Wallace. Not even on his best day.
As a Pistons fan, I loved Ben Wallace's blue-collar defensive attitude. It was great watching him n the other guys all those years while I was growing up. Hoping we become relevant again.
Before acquiring Ben Wallace - the 2008 Cavs allowed 98.2 ppg through 55 games - this would be ranked 11th in the league In the 22 regular season games that Ben Wallace played with the Cavs - the 2008 Cavs allowed 91.6 ppg - this would be ranked 4th in the league In the 2008 playoffs, with Ben Wallace starting every game - the 2008 Cavs allowed 87.8 ppg - this was the lowest ppg allowed by any team in the playoffs Ben Wallace at age 33 singlehandedly turned around the 2008 Cavs from a solid, but not great defense to the best defense in ppg allowed during the playoffs
you don't have to tell me how great Ben was lol..trust me it hurt like hell when he signed with the bulls but I'm glad he knew he made a mistake leaving and number now retired
+Nobody Touches Jordan Can you tell me where you found the stats? I am writing a paper about Ben Wallace and it would be very helpful if I can cite the stats. Thank you!
Li Qin These are the 2008 league standings at the time of the Cavs' 55th game - the last game before acquiring Ben Wallace. www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/index.cgi?month=2&day=22&year=2008 You will see that the Cavs allowed 98.2 ppg at that time under the PA/G column. To compare how this would rank with the league averages at the season's end, you can go to this link www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html and scroll down to "opponent stats" and check the PTS/G column. These are the team stats from the 2008 Playoffs www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008.html You will see that the 2008 Cavs were number 1 in points allowed amongst all playoff teams at at 87.8 ppg Another good fact to remember is that the Cavs' only 2 double-digit losses in the 2008 Playoffs came in the 2 games that Ben Wallace played his least amount of minutes for those playoffs Game 3 vs Wizards Game 2 vs Celtics Unfortunately I don't know of any shortcut to find these following stats In the 22 regular season games that Ben Wallace played with the Cavs - the 2008 Cavs allowed 91.6 ppg - this would be ranked 4th in the league What I did was go to Ben Wallace's 2008 game log www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallabe01/gamelog/2008/ and click the date of every game he played with the Cavs. Then I added up the combined points of the 2008 Cavs opponents in the 22 games that Ben played, and divided them by 22 you should get 2015 total points which is 91.59 or 91.6 ppg allowed when divided by 22
It used to look foggy in the old Boston Garden..but to the main point. Garnett started trying to back in Ben on the block and ended up almost at the 3 point line.
That man right there was a true beast on defense... and if anybody old enough to remember watchin this when the last time you seen KG shakin up with anyone from the other team ................RESPECT is EARNED
***** this era is just as good u just can't accept it because you are so hung up on the past when guys like kobe and timmy d where in their prime and u were growing up watching and now u see these new niggas and youre not used to it
+Puppet Master ya I remember watching the WCF 2 years ago, it was the warriors vs the Rockets and it was literally the worst playoff series I've ever watched. Even Jeff van Gundy mentioned during the game on national tv. It was just awful to watch. The talent is there but the way the game is played is just terrible.
Some of the most skilled players in NBA history, play now. Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, Lebron James. Although I agree, the big men are not as skilled, but the game has changed, there's more emphasis on the three ball, I what that has done is diminish the importance of a back-to-basket centers. However guard play on average has improved and has made the game more exciting, the pace is faster. Believe me as a Knicks fan, nothing worse than Knicks vs Pacers and Heat matchups, ugly games. Detroit bad boys too. I think it is important to be fair, rather than just nostalgic, the quality of basketball is good. The standard of what it takes to be a pro basketball player now is so much higher than in the past. I forgot to mention Kwahi Leonard, very skilled player.
Say what ya want, Big Ben Wallace had KG locked down. 2 warriors who respected each other but played hard every time. Incredible work ethics & preparation. Never give up & never give an inch.
@@michaelkirschner6009 i dont think so, depending on the refrees. I mean in 07 lebron went 3-20 and the cavs blew out the pistons in game 6 due to referees. I dunno i remember him getting shut down in the 2nd half of game 7
XGames you cant play 100% on defense and offense as a starter. Not enough energy to do it. He was a defensive and rebounding specialist that used most of his energy doing those 2 things. Most as in 70%+. If he was more active on offense he would have been more worn out and would have not played as good defense. MJ is said to be a great defender but watch the games and Pippen or somebody else was usually guarding the top scorer. Coach Jackson did not want MJ to get worn out on defense. Thats why teams have defensive specialists like Ben Wallace, Michael Cooper, Rodman, Bowen and etc. Very few players can be all over guys on defense and be top scorer and even 2 scorer. Jerry West could do it. Even if it was his greatest PG rival Oscar Robertson. You can more easily do it of course if the player you guard is just a shooter. But if he is a all around scorer or fast guy it uses up way more energy to keep up. The Rodmans, Horace Grants of basketball free up top 2 scorers on the teams somewhat.
No they would not. The 2008 Pistons were a defensive team. Number #1 opponet points per game But 17th in PPG Adding a great defensive player would not have mattered much when their offense is so low. Teams that win the most championships have top offenses and defenses.
Man! On D, Wallace was a giant amongst men. He was 6'8 tops, but defended like he was 7 ft tall. That's the thing about KG, ,if you get in his chest he becomes just an above average player. Chris Bosh should have taken notes.
People over estimate the height advantage thing. The advantage of being 7ft 0 vs a 6ft 9 guy is very little. Also it does not account for arm length. I'm 6ft 3 with 6ft 6 man standing reach. Its because of my arm length. I have Zion Williamson standing reach and 5ft 10 guys have blocked me sometimes. Also a 5ft 6 guy completely shut me down before. Even with the standing reach advantage it does not account for mental smarts. I can guard 6ft 9 guys with 9ft standing reaches and shut them down inside by using my head. I held a 6ft 9 and 250ish man to 4 points in 2 gamss to 15. The guy before me in the game before got 9 points all 1s dropped on him as if he was not there. Im not great defender and not even very good too.
Also it does not account for vertical jump too. Just ask Patrick Ewing that was 7ft 0 that was blocked by 5ft 3 Muggsie Bogues. Their measurements are what they told the NBA.
DAMN Ben Wallace was INSANE on defense, refs were making it hard for him but he still was incredible. I watch this and think man Rondo was horrible back then.
The best defender in modern day basketball!! And this is after his prime, in his prime( 2001-2006) he was Dennis Rodman but just a much better shotblocker! He has all kinds of records defensivley but the most impressive is how little fouling he actually did considering him going after every offensive play! In my opinion he's up there with the best defenders/rebounders of all time(Russell, Chamberlain, Rodman, Mutombo)
Props to Ben Wallace (who is a monster) on a solid game 7, but let's not get it twisted. Kevin Garnett averaged 19.6pts, 53.7 FG%, and 10.8 Reb for the whole Cavs series. All at or above his regular season average.
zizi izi Hell, no defenders like wallace at all. Almost all big men who're good shot blockers only get help side blocks where the offensive player doesnt seem em coming. Wallace was undersized and still would block your shot from the post.
+Plague Doc The irony here is that the best defender was KG, esp in his prime where he could guard every position, one minute he was suffocating a pointguard at the circle, the next minute he was guarding a center in the post.
Bill Russell was the best ever. Dude averaged over 3 blocks a game before they started keeping track of that stat. He averaged 20 rebounds for his entire career. Which is insane if you think about it.
These ref's singlehandedly stop LeBron from going to his second straight ECF then nba finals cuz he was on a different level early on in his career #GOAT JAMES
Hey Cavs haters who claim this year's Finals was 'rigged.' Watch this video closely and try to honestly tell me the NBA wasn't trying to force a Lakers-Celtics Finals!
Maybe it was,, but you validating a cavs championship this year by saying finals in the past have been rigged too doesn't do anything to dissuade 'cavs haters'
At rebounding he was crap after Pistons. Defense was still there. He was not the A version of Ben Wallace anymore. He was the C version and his rebounding was gone and his scoring dropped more. He was basically a defensive specialist and not a defensive and rebounding specialist anymore. Best place to put him would be bench player and play him about 20 minutes to degrade offense. But as a starter at this time he hurts your team more than helps it because his rebounding is not there and Kevin Garnett outrebounded him as if Ben Wallace was a average rebounder.
Damn I was in 9th grade watching this Game I wanted Bron to win so bad I missed how good Ben was defensively this series. Bron jus ain’t have enough help offensively
The 80s,through the early 2000,-where the best years of the NBA now days its alrite but never the same the same with the rap game the Legends and super starts what made the NBA my honestly opinion
Lebron most likely played with the most all stars than other top 10 player in NBA history. Crazy how he still cant seal the deal with the talent around him
That team was garbage. Wallace was old, Serbiak was, Illguaskas was 34 and nobody was an all star caliber player at the time. Without Lebron Cleveland is bottom of the league.
This is the start of when the NBA changed. First it was the Spurs and Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker flopping all throughout the playoffs, then the Celtics and Cavaliers started doing it in the East… Soon-thereafter, it’s became an epidemic of flopping, ticky-tac fouls and refs taking over the game. A lot of this generation of players say today’s NBA is soft, but it started right around 2008. It was, and has been, unbearable to watch the quality of defense erode to what it is today.
The calls of the refs against big ben were a joke.... Unfortunatelly most of them are overwhelmed with great Defense... Thats according to me one of the reasons why there aren`t players like big ben around these days
It would have been nice to see the Cavs win. Kobe and LeBron would have put on a show in the NBA Finals that would have been once in a lifetime kind of thing. Too bad we never got to see it.
+Avtaar Money Lebron also lost to orlando in 2009 in the ECF.. He could have made it to the finals but he would have just gotten swept by Kobe and the Lakers
2008 Cavs vs 2008 Lakers would be a disaster for Kobe. Cavs took this team down the wire in 7 Games. Thanks to the interior defense of Big Ben. When he was traded for Shaq, Cavs Sacrificed defense
ben wallace will always be remembered as a piston
Yes sir...I forgot he was even on the cavs...I definitely remember he signed with the bulls because my heart broke lol but he didn't fit with that team..he left because he didn't like flip saunders...it sucks but hey he admitted he shouldn't have left and loved seeing his number retire
+ThePistons4life My nigga we signed nazir Muhammad after that too I still cry
Tee Woodz I cried when we signed Muhammad . .he sucked man lmao he would've been a good backup but this dude replaced ben wallace in the starting lineup? Smh man I couldn't believe it LOL the hell was joe dumars thinking
ThePistons4life Joe dumars is a disgrace he hired Mike curry traded Chauncey the list goes on....
Tee Woodz yea mike curry lmao and getting Iverson as our starting point guard with hamilton at 2 guard...I mean wow
Damn...how much powder LeBron threw up before the game🤔
Lebron hotboxed
Lol
Bruuuuuh!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Haha it’s the cameras adjusting to the light
@@matt.2708 Its smoke
Ben Wallace needs to go into the Hall of fame.. 1 of the toughest and strongest to ever do it...He was a great rebounder and defender #TheBeast #BigBenWallace
Quiet_Guy agreed
Yeah I vote for that...
Hopefully he'll get in next year
Yeah. Wished someone on the team could've grab some rebounds while he was alternating shots besides just him and LeBron.
#TheBeast#BigBenWallace#TheBigBody#TruMVP.#NoFlyZone#TheBellTows#Motorcity#AllEffort#NoDayzoff
Ben Wallace & Kevin Garnett such a pleasure watching their careers
Put this man in the HOF...
- 4x DPOY (tied for most by any player w/Mutombo)
- 4x all-star
- 2x ECF Champ
- 1x NBA Champ
- Anchor of the Pistons defense in the early & mid 2000s (went to 6 straight ECF and 2 straight NBA Finals)
- Anchor of the '07 Bulls defense (swept the defending champs, Miami Heat in the 1st rd)
- Anchor of the '08 Cavs defense (went 7 games with '08 champs; held them to their fewest ppg avg of any series that year)
He was like Rodman when it comes to defensive lockdown.
Hey question is there any video/tip you could send that gives a breakdown on ben wallace defense?
he's also a all-defensive teamer multiple times, rebounding and blocks leader.
Not enough..
@@airkuna well he was inducted in 2021 so…yeah
Best undersized center of ALL TIME
Bill Russell?
+Ezyhz bill Russell wasn't undersized
+Deezel215 agreed, if anything bill was the 2nd tallest player at the time next to wilt lol
***** At the time he wasnt
Wes Unseld is 6'7.
Ben wasn't fully appreciated when he played and has certainly not gotten his correct due as an all time great defender. He HAS to be top 10 post defender of all time during prime stretch.....and my favorite of all....he did it without tactics, he didn't need to give cheap hits or fake tough talk. He just had one thing on his mind....OUT WORK YOU
Probably THE greatest post defender. He gave prime Shaq problems.The paint was on lockdown, and even if he had to switch to a guard, it wasn't a mismatch.
😭🤣😂😅😅😭🤧😓. #noflyzone. Other teams: -90 points agame.You know what is meant). Undrafted. Came in with the league's most popular draft class from the 90'$. A myth. Walking into the sunset 😍💙😎😭. "Daddy is it true he had a whole city wearing afros and the whole arena fighting for his team and him plus hold Shaq down even thou he was undersized and won a championship when nobody thought that they would"?,"Did you see him play"? yes and yes. Most certainly every game with my own afro.
you right. I loved him as a fan of the game. But i agree that he wasn't fully appreciated when he played. The league really tried to hype Howard when he won dpoy like 3 years in a row. Yeah howard had a couple good years in Orlando but he was NEVER a better defender than Big Ben Wallace. Not even on his best day.
Hes not Appreciated Nationally, Detroit fans know hes a first ballot HOFer
He finally got his due Hall of fame this year!
7 years ago..almost 8...damn time flies by.
When I first got into watching basketball 08
+Sabataj What HE IS team now you know ? Keven Garnett
+Jailsonsousa de almeida Hes back wit the timberwolves on a 2 year deal.
+Bee_EaZiE Thanks for the answer. to me he had retired NBA
Jailsonsousa de almeida No Problem Bro..
As a Pistons fan, I loved Ben Wallace's blue-collar defensive attitude. It was great watching him n the other guys all those years while I was growing up. Hoping we become relevant again.
Not yet
Before acquiring Ben Wallace
- the 2008 Cavs allowed 98.2 ppg through 55 games
- this would be ranked 11th in the league
In the 22 regular season games that Ben Wallace played with the Cavs
- the 2008 Cavs allowed 91.6 ppg
- this would be ranked 4th in the league
In the 2008 playoffs, with Ben Wallace starting every game
- the 2008 Cavs allowed 87.8 ppg
- this was the lowest ppg allowed by any team in the playoffs
Ben Wallace at age 33 singlehandedly turned around the 2008 Cavs from a solid, but not great defense to the best defense in ppg allowed during the playoffs
you don't have to tell me how great Ben was lol..trust me it hurt like hell when he signed with the bulls but I'm glad he knew he made a mistake leaving and number now retired
+Nobody Touches Jordan Can you tell me where you found the stats? I am writing a paper about Ben Wallace and it would be very helpful if I can cite the stats. Thank you!
Li Qin
These are the 2008 league standings at the time of the Cavs' 55th game - the last game before acquiring Ben Wallace.
www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/index.cgi?month=2&day=22&year=2008
You will see that the Cavs allowed 98.2 ppg at that time under the PA/G column.
To compare how this would rank with the league averages at the season's end, you can go to this link
www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html
and scroll down to "opponent stats" and check the PTS/G column.
These are the team stats from the 2008 Playoffs
www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2008.html
You will see that the 2008 Cavs were number 1 in points allowed amongst all playoff teams at at 87.8 ppg
Another good fact to remember is that the Cavs' only 2 double-digit losses in the 2008 Playoffs came in the 2 games that Ben Wallace played his least amount of minutes for those playoffs
Game 3 vs Wizards
Game 2 vs Celtics
Unfortunately I don't know of any shortcut to find these following stats
In the 22 regular season games that Ben Wallace played with the Cavs
- the 2008 Cavs allowed 91.6 ppg
- this would be ranked 4th in the league
What I did was go to Ben Wallace's 2008 game log
www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallabe01/gamelog/2008/
and click the date of every game he played with the Cavs. Then I added up the combined points of the 2008 Cavs opponents in the 22 games that Ben played, and divided them by 22
you should get 2015 total points which is 91.59 or 91.6 ppg allowed when divided by 22
+Nobody Touches Jordan "LeBron had no help" LMAAAOOOOO
Camilo Daud Just because he didn't have 2 or 3 all stars around him doesn't mean he didn't have any help.
It used to look foggy in the old Boston Garden..but to the main point. Garnett started trying to back in Ben on the block and ended up almost at the 3 point line.
Nothing like two legendary Hall of Fame defensive monsters in a game 7. Thank you for this
Ben was one of the best if not the best defender in NBA league. Those defensive fouls called on him were all bullshit.
100% true
NBA hates hard workers like that
It makes the cakeboys play flustered.
That man right there was a true beast on defense...
and if anybody old enough to remember watchin this
when the last time you seen KG shakin up with anyone from
the other team ................RESPECT is EARNED
ThESLyGuY they never credit Ben Wallace. what he does won't show in a stat line.
Someone was smoking large quantities of weed in the facility that night.
Michael Beasley and nick young were present
You gotta have some kush with you while watching nba
Dannyboyz They used to allow smoking in the boston garden.
fiscer247 Go big green...
Dannyboyz WEED FOR ERRBODY
Ticket couldn't get anything from Wallace. He was a monster at D.
I know Garnett didn't think he was Finna punk Wallace.
These are some of the last good days of the NBA after the lock out in 2011 in went downhill.
how did it go downhill
***** this era is just as good u just can't accept it because you are so hung up on the past when guys like kobe and timmy d where in their prime and u were growing up watching and now u see these new niggas and youre not used to it
+Puppet Master ya I remember watching the WCF 2 years ago, it was the warriors vs the Rockets and it was literally the worst playoff series I've ever watched. Even Jeff van Gundy mentioned during the game on national tv. It was just awful to watch. The talent is there but the way the game is played is just terrible.
Some of the most skilled players in NBA history, play now. Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, Lebron James. Although I agree, the big men are not as skilled, but the game has changed, there's more emphasis on the three ball, I what that has done is diminish the importance of a back-to-basket centers. However guard play on average has improved and has made the game more exciting, the pace is faster. Believe me as a Knicks fan, nothing worse than Knicks vs Pacers and Heat matchups, ugly games. Detroit bad boys too. I think it is important to be fair, rather than just nostalgic, the quality of basketball is good. The standard of what it takes to be a pro basketball player now is so much higher than in the past. I forgot to mention Kwahi Leonard, very skilled player.
2013 Heat vs Spurs was a Classic tho
Imagine a prime Big Ben and prime LBJ at the same team. Too tuff!
Bogok lng talga si lebrong mhinang nilalang
ben wallace was in his prime dumbass
@@user-jm7mm4lo7o he was good but his Detroit days were way better and his “prime”
Ok lng naman laro nia bias yubg mga bo2ng referee
Offensive foul tlga yun
Say what ya want, Big Ben Wallace had KG locked down. 2 warriors who respected each other but played hard every time. Incredible work ethics & preparation. Never give up & never give an inch.
Warriors? What war? Who died?
Ben Wallace's defense would have helped the 2008 Pistons immensely against the Celtics in the Conference Finals that year
Also Billups injury in game two ( i think it was game 2) was demoralizing.
they wouldve beat the cavs in 2007. lebron wouldve got swatted eventually if he just kept drving like that in game 5
@@dubvideos Lebron would've won that series anyways. The year before James took them seven games with Ben Wallace.
@@michaelkirschner6009 i dont think so, depending on the refrees. I mean in 07 lebron went 3-20 and the cavs blew out the pistons in game 6 due to referees. I dunno i remember him getting shut down in the 2nd half of game 7
They wanted ALL the smoke...just look at the footage in the beginning!
2:47
you're right Mr. everywhere
Hey question is there any video/tip you could send that gives a breakdown on ben wallace defense?
Man looking back at this series. Man oh man in game 7 did they call a lot of bull shit fouls on the cavs.
JAred Leonard on the lakers too in the finals of 2008
Was this filmed in a swamp? Looks like it's muggy and humid in the arena.
Trent Diamanti Well it is Boston...so - Laker fan haha
+Trent Diamanti Michael Beasley was in the crowd.
+TheMCRen underrated comment
smoke from fireworks
Before cable went HD
Ben Wallace played is ass off on defense though
Imagine if he played that way on both ends of the floor
XGames you cant play 100% on defense and offense as a starter.
Not enough energy to do it.
He was a defensive and rebounding specialist that used most of his energy doing those 2 things. Most as in 70%+.
If he was more active on offense he would have been more worn out and would have not played as good defense.
MJ is said to be a great defender but watch the games and Pippen or somebody else was usually guarding the top scorer.
Coach Jackson did not want MJ to get worn out on defense.
Thats why teams have defensive specialists like Ben Wallace, Michael Cooper, Rodman, Bowen and etc.
Very few players can be all over guys on defense and be top scorer and even 2 scorer.
Jerry West could do it. Even if it was his greatest PG rival Oscar Robertson.
You can more easily do it of course if the player you guard is just a shooter. But if he is a all around scorer or fast guy it uses up way more energy to keep up.
The Rodmans, Horace Grants of basketball free up top 2 scorers on the teams somewhat.
Big ben was always one of my favourites
in my opinion, ben wallace was lebrons best teammate his first 7 years at the cavs. Dude was a beast
Not Larry Hughes?
@@mornwood1011Larry Hughes has the durability of Brandon Roy and dude couldn’t shoot over 42% from the field if his life counted on it
08 pistons with Ben Wallace would have beat boston this year
Kalinbuggs ! we wouldve beaten LA too! Again.
They would’ve beaten the Cavs in 2007 too
@@tmac731 FACTS
He never should've left Detroit.
No they would not.
The 2008 Pistons were a defensive team.
Number #1 opponet points per game
But 17th in PPG
Adding a great defensive player would not have mattered much when their offense is so low.
Teams that win the most championships have top offenses and defenses.
This was the only chance for lebron to face Kobe in the nba finals. Everybody wanted to see that matchup.
The next year and 2011 as well
+TheHypoCrip right !!
Not true. Magic beat us the very next year. in 2009 they faced the lakers in the finals and lost in 6.
Magic lost in 5 not 6
+TheHypoCrip 2012 could had been decent to
Ben wallace looks like Frederick Douglas with that Bush
Man!
On D, Wallace was a giant amongst men.
He was 6'8 tops, but defended like he was 7 ft tall.
That's the thing about KG, ,if you get in his chest he becomes just an above average player.
Chris Bosh should have taken notes.
People over estimate the height advantage thing.
The advantage of being 7ft 0 vs a 6ft 9 guy is very little.
Also it does not account for arm length.
I'm 6ft 3 with 6ft 6 man standing reach.
Its because of my arm length.
I have Zion Williamson standing reach and 5ft 10 guys have blocked me sometimes.
Also a 5ft 6 guy completely shut me down before.
Even with the standing reach advantage it does not account for mental smarts.
I can guard 6ft 9 guys with 9ft standing reaches and shut them down inside by using my head.
I held a 6ft 9 and 250ish man to 4 points in 2 gamss to 15.
The guy before me in the game before got 9 points all 1s dropped on him as if he was not there.
Im not great defender and not even very good too.
Also it does not account for vertical jump too.
Just ask Patrick Ewing that was 7ft 0 that was blocked by 5ft 3 Muggsie Bogues.
Their measurements are what they told the NBA.
Ben did great and this was toward the back end of his prime...Great Game
He better make the Hall of Fame
4dpoys he's a definite hall of famer
He’s in
Crazy how bad officiating was Wallace was getting the best of KG and those whistles were game changing
I know that Garnett is a beast but, head to head with big Ben?! That is crazy, Ben is a monster.
DAMN Ben Wallace was INSANE on defense, refs were making it hard for him but he still was incredible. I watch this and think man Rondo was horrible back then.
Greatest Defensive Center of All-Time
What about Bill Russell that was Ben Wallace before Ben Wallace was even born ?
fucking p.j. brown won this game
+Beats S with his sorry ass lmfao
because he hit a pick and pop J?
benny robinson the tip in
Cavs had the best defensive team in the league after getting wallace but media says lebron played with scrubs
Wallace was old and without Lebron Cleveland is bottom of the league so yes that team was garbage.
It looks like they're playing in my old dorm room.
Old rodman when he was with Jordan
Everyone: he was one of the star with Jordan
Ben when he was with LeBron
Everyone: LeBron just done it all himself
Wallace was old and Mike had Scottie although Mike is the GOAT.
Ben Wallace is like Kawhi Leonard's long lost father. Straight up DEFENDERS! Two of the best defenders in the NBA history.
rough times for lebron back then, big Ben was a monster though in that paint. the good old days for the green 3 anyhow
Ben Wallace, master of defense
wow!! tons of bs calls on Big Ben...
Wallace was the greatest defensive player to ever play the game. Garnett is no match for him even though Wallace is past his prime here.
The rules changing did a lot to Ben wallaces game over the years
The best defender in modern day basketball!! And this is after his prime, in his prime( 2001-2006) he was Dennis Rodman but just a much better shotblocker! He has all kinds of records defensivley but the most impressive is how little fouling he actually did considering him going after every offensive play! In my opinion he's up there with the best defenders/rebounders of all time(Russell, Chamberlain, Rodman, Mutombo)
This was a great series i miss those times
Props to Ben Wallace (who is a monster) on a solid game 7, but let's not get it twisted. Kevin Garnett averaged 19.6pts, 53.7 FG%, and 10.8 Reb for the whole Cavs series. All at or above his regular season average.
Ben Wallace Dennis rodman some beasts on the block.
Probably two of my favourite players in a match up? Wonderful.
Man what an names playing...this was NBA. I loved Celtics Boston and my fav player was KG!
Big Ben knows D. Not just individual but Team D. Everything slows down when he's out there.
Ben Wallace was a beast💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
no more big defenser like wallace, almost 6.8 tall and defend on big guy like shaq garnett or duncan
zizi izi Hell, no defenders like wallace at all. Almost all big men who're good shot blockers only get help side blocks where the offensive player doesnt seem em coming. Wallace was undersized and still would block your shot from the post.
+Plague Doc rodman's early days in Pistons.
+Stirling Larson never that was disrepectful comparing green to wallace
+Stirling Larson nothing wrong with green hes good its just hes not as dominant on defense the way ben wallace was
+Plague Doc The irony here is that the best defender was KG, esp in his prime where he could guard every position, one minute he was suffocating a pointguard at the circle, the next minute he was guarding a center in the post.
he might be the best defender ever.
Bill Russell was the best ever. Dude averaged over 3 blocks a game before they started keeping track of that stat. He averaged 20 rebounds for his entire career. Which is insane if you think about it.
I'll give it to rodman
+AnTi ZioNisM nah, Perkins has the best defense of anyone ever, even that racist hoe bag Bill Russell
+Cdub2k bill russell doesn't count.
+Andrew Fitzgerald perkins? Lol u a funny dude
Back when 100 points a game was alot😂 the game is so much different now
In 2008 the average was literally 99.9 ppg
The game was slower back then because it was an old man game. Guys was drinking alcohol and smoking cigars while playing poker before the game.
You can tell they had respect for each other's will to win
This man is literally smaller than Ben simmons and Durant and is playing center in the 2nd best era of big men after the 90s
Shorter but he’s much stronger than both of them
Had no idea the Celtics had to fight like that before the ecf on their way to the championship. Big Ben gave Garnett fits!!!
Celtics should’ve swept this team and the Hawks
I'd take Wallace over Garnett any day. The man was a beast!
These ref's singlehandedly stop LeBron from going to his second straight ECF then nba finals cuz he was on a different level early on in his career #GOAT JAMES
Hey Cavs haters who claim this year's Finals was 'rigged.' Watch this video closely and try to honestly tell me the NBA wasn't trying to force a Lakers-Celtics Finals!
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Maybe it was,, but you validating a cavs championship this year by saying finals in the past have been rigged too doesn't do anything to dissuade 'cavs haters'
that's some faulty logic right there
Max Forstag lebron played like shit
M J did you watch the game LIVE?
16 years ago is crazy man.
I wish the NBA could be like this again
Like what
this is not a trash cavs lineup,this team is pretty good.i thought james alwys carried his teams.
This team is pretty good because of James
Without Lebron Cleveland is bottom of the league.
Garnett knew better then to fuck with Ben Wallace lol
Ben would whoop KG. Definitely one of the league's most intimidating players of his time.
BEST DEFENDER OF ALL-TIME!
He was straight trash once he left Detroit for that big $$$
At rebounding he was crap after Pistons.
Defense was still there.
He was not the A version of Ben Wallace anymore.
He was the C version and his rebounding was gone and his scoring dropped more.
He was basically a defensive specialist and not a defensive and rebounding specialist anymore.
Best place to put him would be bench player and play him about 20 minutes to degrade offense.
But as a starter at this time he hurts your team more than helps it because his rebounding is not there and Kevin Garnett outrebounded him as if Ben Wallace was a average rebounder.
Dennis Rodman is best defender of all time, hands down.
nah its hakeem or bill russel
Those Cavs teams were tough as hell defensively. Top 5 defensive team that season.
They were midpack in 2008
The fact that hes so strong makes up for him being undersized, he moves pretty well to
Ben's heart was never into any other team after Detroit.
As a Cavs fan i had nightmares about P.J Brown
Ben was a shadow of himself during this series.
1:33 the eagerness to stat pad from Lebron is greater then his will to win lol
Yea 45 points and losing by like 4 points is definitely being undetermined. Kobe only took the celtics to game 6 in the finals
I hope you weren't serious
I think he is lol
Thank you and God bless.
Ben was a beast...and dam just thinking about Delonte West. Life is crazy!
Lesson learned: Don't make Big Ben Wallace angry.
Man I remember thinking him and Lebron being together as a great duo 🔥🔥🔥
Damn I was in 9th grade watching this Game I wanted Bron to win so bad I missed how good Ben was defensively this series. Bron jus ain’t have enough help offensively
6’9 but played tougher than these 6’10+ guys in todays Nba
KG can act tough there, but Wallace would destroy his shit if they actually went at it.
Lol probably
those calls on Big Ben ware so unfair
2:40 Foul on Ben Wallace? How?!
THIS IS WHEN NBA WAS LIFE!
The FINALS Many NBA fans wanted to see LeBron James vs Kobe Bryant. It was close to happening in 2008 playoffs.
The 80s,through the early 2000,-where the best years of the NBA now days its alrite but never the same the same with the rap game the Legends and super starts what made the NBA my honestly opinion
Lebron most likely played with the most all stars than other top 10 player in NBA history. Crazy how he still cant seal the deal with the talent around him
That team was garbage. Wallace was old, Serbiak was, Illguaskas was 34 and nobody was an all star caliber player at the time. Without Lebron Cleveland is bottom of the league.
Lebron had no help rite. Keep believing what the media feed
This is the start of when the NBA changed. First it was the Spurs and Manu Ginobli and Tony Parker flopping all throughout the playoffs, then the Celtics and Cavaliers started doing it in the East… Soon-thereafter, it’s became an epidemic of flopping, ticky-tac fouls and refs taking over the game.
A lot of this generation of players say today’s NBA is soft, but it started right around 2008. It was, and has been, unbearable to watch the quality of defense erode to what it is today.
I'm laker fan but damm Big Ben knows how to play ball
Good ol big Ben. I wore and 1 shoes my freshmen and sophomore years in high school basketball because he wore them with the pistons
WoW,this was when teams actually played defense.. I miss this kind of basketball.
The calls of the refs against big ben were a joke.... Unfortunatelly most of them are overwhelmed with great Defense... Thats according to me one of the reasons why there aren`t players like big ben around these days
It would have been nice to see the Cavs win. Kobe and LeBron would have put on a show in the NBA Finals that would have been once in a lifetime kind of thing. Too bad we never got to see it.
+Avtaar Money Lebron also lost to orlando in 2009 in the ECF.. He could have made it to the finals but he would have just gotten swept by Kobe and the Lakers
One of the best defensive player a 4x nba defensive player big ben idol G.O.A.T
2008 Cavs vs 2008 Lakers would be a disaster for Kobe.
Cavs took this team down the wire in 7 Games. Thanks to the interior defense of Big Ben. When he was traded for Shaq, Cavs Sacrificed defense
This how they officiate against an NBA champion? Ben Wallace got played
Boy the Cavs couldn't get a rebound