Interesting theory. I always assumed the engineer loses his shit because humans weren't supposed to get that far. Like we're the experimental lab rats that got out of our cage and began munching on power cables. My theory is that humans were just an ingredient in a bigger recipe. The black goo was supposed to move us on to the next stage of a controlled evolutionary path, however a spanner was thrown in the works when the engineers had an outbreak aboard their ship and the mission to add the next ingredient failed. This gave humanity the time it needed to discover space travel, making us not only a failed experiment but also a potential threat. The reason the engineer shit the bed when he saw David is because David was confirmation of his impending demise. Think about it. The lab rats had not only escaped confinement and begun to self actualise, but they were now capable of building superior versions of themselves. Not only is it an affront to "god" and his monopoly on creation, but it is a direct and serious threat to his superiority. Humans no longer needed god. God was obsolete. Furthermore god was now under threat of extinction. It's the next level up from the "man's creation being his undoing" trope. Usually it is artificial intelligence or an engineered virus killing humans off. This time humans were the engineered virus. The moment man became self aware and independent was the beginning of the end for the Engineers, and the big guy knew it. I agree that Prometheus gets far too much hate. It's not a fantastic movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it's good enough.
But just waking up from a long sleep his first thought probably wasn't... oh shit its a failed experiment! When you first wake up after a bad night it takes a minute for you to remember what happened you know? Especially if you just get woken up out of nowhere on some random bs from some little people that look just as confused as you do
The black goo is the last remnants of their progenitors blood/dna, they have seeded planets in attempts to rekindle his/its species, their 'God' was the last of his kind and they've been trying to bring it back.
The humans didn't build a superior version of themselves.. they built their replacement that wasn't even human, it was a machine with a human face... If they had built a superior version of themselves they would have gone down the genetic alteration and recombination path... which is what the engineers had done...Wtf are you talking about?
@Compassionate Predator I kinda doubt that. A species that is able to traverse the stars and is as advanced in genetic manipulation to create the black goo as an evolutionary accelerant strikes me as the type that doesn't make things for no reason. That's a very human sentiment derived out of boredom immaturity and lacking any true species wide purpose. The only thing humans consistently do right is fuck up the areas they inhabit at the expense of almost everything else around them. Considering that they had developed an accelerant and had made and seeded humans on an engineered planet they may have been testing how this batch and that batch of humans developed to select the ones that would have been given the accelerant for further rapid advancement. However what the criteria for said advancement might be idk. A humanoid race like the engineers probably think along the time spans of millions of years, as that's the necessary kind of thinking required for the study of biological evolution unassisted.
Pandorum is so underappreciated My problem with prometheus: its effectively a movie about a bunch of smart people making the dumbest decisions at every turn
EXACTLY!!!! Like a very smart, very rich woman running from a gigantic rolling spaceship that reminded me of a Woody Woodpecker cartoon when the character runs from a falling tree in a straight line instead of just SIDE-STEPPING it!
The written script actually dispels all your theories about the Engineers possibly not wanting to kill us. They did. We were a failure. We didn't live up to their expectations.
FACTS. This whole vid is false if you have the scripts or listen to ridley commentary after the film came out. The goo was a reforming weapon. They wanted to kill humans because we killed the engineer that they sent to help us, it was suppose to be jesus but the studio made ridley change it.
if that's really Ridley Scott's purpose for the black goo then he has his head up his butt...... that blackgod Monument clearly looks like a uterus meaning using they were using it be able to continue procreating and the only means they had was that goo how it could have been a one tool they use for pretty much everything....... there were a lot of good elements that can make a great story but Ridley Scott had his head up his butt and wasn't being coherent
@@winstonwolfwhiteshoes wow my guy you definitely put me on. I thought I knew all the Alien lore. They should run it back. Franchises like Aliens never dies. Unless a Jeepers Creepers director touches it. 🤣👊🏾
The deleted (unfilmed?) scene that was in the script clearly states the engineer they woke up says humans have failed, they took a man and educated him (referring to Jesus) and he was hung from a cross for it. They value self sacrifice for a cause and having an android (an insult) before him asking for more life (an insult) made him angry and he started killing. Effects of the black goo were inconsistent though. Also, black goo, even if not meant to be a weapon, it certainly could be. Fertilizer, cars, screwdrivers, power drills, kitchen knives, all meant for something else but fighting/defense/killing but they certainly can be. Black goo can be multipurpose as well.
I was thinking the same thing about the goo all the way through this video. It was like we were being forced to think of it as a weapon so dude can make a point. Another great syfy film, Arrival, debates if something means weapon or tool. This is so common with many tools and that is exactly what the movie showed us, it was a tool that could be used in many ways. Not sure I agree it is some evolution drug, at least not in the sense in makes it's host better. It does seem to rapidly change DNA based on the subject it interacts with, with violent reactions. As an origin Alien story it makes sense as aliens take on parts of the subject they interact with, very rapidly as well. Yet 1+1 always equals 3 with these videos. Oh and not sure if this was fan theory or confirmed by Ridley. The engineers lost the ability to procreate through cloning I believe, the worship of the deacon and the goo are their success in trying to remedy that problem. As Ridley Scott has created his own filmverse + I think he deservers a bit more respect, as well as people in general. Sure some do like it simple, but we wouldn't have the massive library of syfy movies that make you think if most just liked it simple. Guess that's antilogic for ya
I went into Prometheus knowing literally nothing about it. I was very surprised to see it was an Alien origin. The big reveal was an awesome moment going in blind.
Exactly! They are a creepy, dangerous space-bug that are terrifying to encounter. The best alien movies didn't care at all where they came from or how they came into existence. We don't need to know that, to have a good story. When you're surrounded by wolves, you really don't care about all the little evolutionary conditions that caused them to have sharp teeth, powerful jaws, the ability to run fast, the ability to work in a team. None of that mattes when your story is about not getting killed by wolves!
What I loved the most about Prometheus was the question at the end was do you really want to meet our maker what if they don’t like us? What makes the movie even more interesting is David knows his maker and he clearly hates them. Such a cool dynamic and thought provoker.
Just so you know two things can have the exact same DNA and have very very different appearances. There is a phenomenon called Epi-genetics where the environment can alter what phenotypes get expressed in the genome. I would argue that the goo controls gene expression rather than rewrite the genetic blueprint.
it call evolution.. it when thing mutated and the mutation benefit the enviroment that why it go to contime to the next gen... while some disvantage don't cause enough to get rip off so it still going.. your tailbone or our badly desgin body... still exisit..
Haha exactly. The black goo mystery is nothing new or original. Ridley has clearly lost his ability to make good movies and should have handed the story off to someone more competent.
Well if u wana go there even spongebob has a black goo concept, and lady gagas Fame video, and helix etc, maybe Illuminati elites are telling us something about whats coming
The crew thinking Vickers was an android was simply a jest. B/c she rarely showed emotion and was so cold and …droid like. I don’t think they ACTUALLY thought Vickers was a robot.
The mystery of the three sea shells has haunted me since the day demolition man was released. It was the very first movie I ever went to by myself as a kid and absolutely blew me away, and I STILL manage to watch it a couple of times a year lol.
Brotha correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the engineers that were running in the hologram have their insides expanded outwards as if something dug or shot out of them? Like a small creature exploded out of their abdomen
@@howmuchbeforechamp yeah personally I'm getting kind of sick of the extremely preachy movies that keep coming out now. Since they all boil down to the same few messages over and over. "The rich man bad" and "the mundane life is so soul crushing" are the ones that irritate me the most. It could be the hypocrisy of it but I'm not entirely sure.
it happen due to they got to production before they finalized the moive.. they just want to expand the idea of this big being... we know from og moive that it is alive... due to the hole in the chest...
It's a shame I'm just now finding your channel but I'm glad I did. This is only the 3rd video I've watched so far and I'm hooked. You had me look at fight club a completely different way and it was obvious after you explained it. I like your attention to detail and how in depth you get. It's about time there's something with some intellect making videos instead of most of the useless garbage on here. So thank you man its nice getting a break in the day and watching something I enjoy. Life has sucked for everyone the last few years so anytime someone can spread some happiness i think that's a genuine gift.
Smart movie? B.S. Oh no! We're lost despite having a map! I know, lets get high. Oh look! A hentai monster! Let's pet it! Oh GOD! Its attacking us! I never expected an alien monster to attacj us!
Yup, that's more less how I feel about it too. It had a lot of cool things going for it, looked awesome, great effects, but they act way too stupid to make it a masterpiece. There's some degree of stupid in the first two movies, but not nearly as bad.
You said it. A bit of stupid is fine. But they overdosed on Prometheus. Even the tech didn't make sense for the timeline. It's supposed to be set prior to the events of Alien yet we have touch screens and Ted Talks? 🤔🙄. The Nostromo from Alien and Sulacco from Aliens uses tech that's semi hard wired analogue.
If anyone's curious It's actually been established as to what the black liquid is. It's artificial Deacon blood. The engineers came across a creature much like a facehugger long ago, it impregnated one of them and the creature that was born from the engineer was called a deacon, and they worshiped it like a god, you can actually see it in some of the hieroglyphics in the movie. It looked much like the creature that came out of the engineer at the end of the movie. The creatures blood had a very specific property, when one of the engineers drank it, it allowed for their DNA to sead a planet with life forms similar to them. What you see the engineer drinking at the beginning of the movie was the last bit of Deacon blood that the engineers had left. The original Deacon had died long ago and they were attempting to recreate its blood to continue seading life on other planets. The planet that you see in the second movie with engineer like beings was another planet that they had seeded.
Dallas said it appeared to grow out of the Chair. He meant that the Jockey was a part of the ship. That was the cosmic horror of Giger bio and electromechanical hybrid creatures.Imagine how more terrifyingly awesome if they showed the real beings from The Derelict?
He says that right after the line "It's been dead a long time... fossilized..." I don't think he meant it always part of the chair, I think that line was emphasize the point that it has been there for tens of thousands of years at least, if not longer. Fossils tend to look that way over time.
I always liked the idea that Vickers was an android that thought she was human, sort of like a control experiment for David, one android aware of what he was, the other believing she was human. And then maybe she's not dead just a bit squashed and laid alone on an alien planet coming to terms with discovering she's not really human...
It's amazing that after 8 years, you're the first person I've ever seen bring up any of these points. I've always thought that the brilliance of the "Alien" story (and "Predator" for that matter) was that we could always learn more about them, but never really solve the mystery. Ya know -- like real science. "Covenant" slightly tarnishes that. However, I still like the idea it presents of the human-created android being the most dangerous weapon in existence. Gotta love the ol' A.I. self-awareness dread...
I see what you mean with Covenant "explaining" everything, but I disagree. The Engineer ship found in Alien (1979) has eggs that work real well, and look ancient. There's no way David would have made those. At least, I think he did something similar, but the eggs and goo and chestbursters aren't inventions exclusive to him.
@@zenarion I agree with you -- that's what I'm saying. I don't think David "invented" the xenomorphs either. "Covenant's" plot was just very lazily written. It is hinted at in "Prometheus" that the xenomorphs may have existed before the Engineers. They probably should've went further down that route in "Covenant."
There is no reference to alien in the title and it was Scott and the studio that pushed that connection. Scott went back and used ideas that weren't used in alien (like the xenomorph mural) and he is the one in numerous interviews that made mention to "alien" DNA and an answer to what the space jockey is. Scott alluded to alien not the audience. Your analysis relies too much on your subjective opinion. Prometheus was ruined by rewrite and cash grabs linking it directly to alien. You're clearly defending a film you like and not looking at it's objective failures. How does the fifeld and Millburn get lost? Why does David infect Holloway without studying the black goo first? Surely the plan wasn't, potentially get everyone killed so your owner stays in cryo sleep forever? Why can the medipod not scan and recognise male and female anatomy? How can Shaw run and rappell after a cesarean? What was the relevance of the violin girl hologram? Why isn't the engineer subtitled? He is in the directors cut. How did no one know what happened to fifeld and Millburn? There were in contact with the Prometheus the entire time they were in the structure. You can't blame an audience for it being badly written dishonestly advertised and bland. If falls far short of creating unanswered questions that are compelling or interesting, like what is the space jockey? how did the eggs get there? what is the alien? Like alien did. It was a narrative disgrace, didn't know if it wanted to be a high concept scifi about the origin of existence or a creepy horror. It failed at both.
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 hey don't be rude to people, that might be a child behind the name you think is silly. Not everyone uses their real full name like I do for their email address... Tons of people get treated poorly IRL every day... Sorry if I offend you, but my own daughter was harassed on and offline. Also, the name is spelled in an odd way but sometimes ya gotta keep changing and tweeking your email address, it's hard to get the name you want. The computer probably gave a few examples of the name wanted then he/she chose whatever example was as close to the name wanted...
@@lesliehardeman6212 funny. But I was pointing specifically at the name itself. Points to that pathetic human thinking only one skin color matters. Ya dumbarse. Nobody being rude just pointing out hypocrisy and self righteousness that the young are told to think like. And no sir, that is not an actual kid
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 some white people put white people first so some black people feel the same in America we swear on the bible in court Jewish or not because Christianity is our state religion 😆 the jews are white and they say they are Gods chosen above all races but your checking blacks @freemasons my guy💯
@@samierking2256 nah just laugh at the pitiful self righteousness of most dark skins and the privileges they think they're owed just for the color. Nonexistent. You work and earn what you get. If one gets mistreated, they more than likely deserve it. Simply that is all
There is actually a deleted scene of the engineer saying he is going to destroy humanity because we didn't follow the rules/ way of life that they taught us.
There's a problem with your theory that happens in the beginning of the movie: the engineer drink some of the black goo and you see his body decompose and fall apart as it falls into the water and his genetic material is being used to accelerate the DNA of life forms in the water. So while it may be an evolutionary accelerator, it also has the potential to be a bio weapon
At 3:19, the liquid falling from her doesn't look like sweat, it looks like her hair is just wet. I don't care how hard you've been working out, sweat is not gonna be falling off you like a faucet. Lol
its liquid from the cryosleep pod,check the 1st scene with the crew,when they all wake up,Shaw is throwing up,Holloway is laughing,and they all leak with David putting towels on them. In thise pods they are in some liquid...
I could be totally wrong but here's my 2 cents. I don't think that the black goo is an evolutionary accelerant but maybe something that causes mutations or a bad batch of some other experiment. The opening scene shows us an engineer drinking what seems to be the black goo which breaks down his body which in turn is the seeding of human life on earth. The room with all the black goo vases have depictions of the Xenomorph most likely as a warning like our biohazard symbol. That ship was parked on a deserted planet to contain the hazardous material, kinda like what we would do with radioactive waste. Maybe the engineer killed everyone because he knew they didn't understand the purpose of the facility and rather than explain and run the risk of an outbreak, it was more prudent to eliminate potential hosts.
Missed you bro. Your videos and explanations are top tier. I like how you make me see movies in a different light than I originally took it. You're awesome, bro. Keep up the good work.
The reason I didn't like Prometheus isn't because I don't like to think, it's because when I did think about the character's motivations, the reasoning of the characters conclusions, etc - it didn't make sense. This film was poorly written, and had many logical contradictions or just nonsensical plot elements that simply didn't make any sense. Prometheus is only a movie you can enjoy if you DO NOT think about it. That was its failure and why it is largely forgotten. Remember Memento? If you've seen it you probably do, because that movie really made you think, and it may only have a single small plothole. What a great film that was.
There are explanations from Ridley Scott about this stuff. Black goo is what is replicated based off of the original genetic material from an unknown alien the engineers encountered millennia ago. Engineers are immortal, genetically modified, but sterile and their species is slowly but surely fading away. When one of them was infected by the parasite, it produced an offspring and they revered it as holy, seeing as how their species was sterile. They used its genetic material, refined as a mutation accelerant, to seed life on barren worlds. You seem them do this on earth with the original material in the opening sequence. The black goo is the weaponized form of what they replicated from the original alien genetic material. To get philosophical, it’s essentially a distillation of all the facets of organic life and evolution which embody violence. It’s a weapon that turns into whatever it needs in the moment to transmit itself to organic hosts, and propagate to kill in a cycle. The fact that it always takes a similar form, with a similar modus operandi is the real philosophical mind fuck if you ask me. It says a lot about life, death, violence, birth, physical contact, procreation, intimacy vs fear...the disturbing, uncaring way it all tangles together. It’s a bleak af way to ponder the idea that no matter how far humans rise, we cannot escape the clawing animal instincts that shaped us, and how those primal motivations are both our birth cry and death knell.
The problem with Alien Covenant was that it wasn't supposed to be what it was. All the backlash that he got from Prometheus made him change the 2nd movie unfortunately.
I really like the way you made your observations clear and concise and built up a nice repertoire to chew on; I've had a few thoughts on these as I've watched these films, but never as developed because no one I know likes to discuss these things. Good work indeed. You've easily earned a subscriber today sir! Thank you for expanding our minds! Seeking to hear more of your thoughts in the near future.
Ridley Scott was just ripping himself off with this film (I don't know if he was conscious or not since he's drunk most of the time). A human being asks his creator to extend his life... Does it remind you of anything? Let me help: In Blade Runner when Hauer's character asks his human creator to extend his life. The original story was supposed to explain how the engineers seed planets with their DNA decomposed with the black goo to have life spring from it. When humanity was too evil, they sent one of them in human form (Jesus), but humans killed him, so the next step was to wipe humanity. That was the original intent until Damon Lindeloff got a hold of the script and changed it to make it more misterious and open a new trilogy. The Black goo is a biological device which can be weaponized or simply used as a mutation accelerant. But in the end Scott thought it would be ironic if David was the one who created the xenomorphes, and we know how thta turned out. Nice video, but you're making a big deal of something already suggested in the film. I would've loved to see your take on Pandorum, not enough videos about such an underrated gem. Thanx!!!
Ridley Scott.. had his limited he made alot of moive on what is a good idea but it don't mean it would be 100% good.. alot of time.. he would work in it until time run out and he just do with that story no matter how much plot hole there are... nothing new for him...
I read an article not long ago, a deleted scene of sorts. The engineers hated us because they sent an emissary to Earth once it was seeded and life developed to 'teach' us how to live, and humans, in all their infinite glory, crucified him.
Love the fact this has everyone talking, but honestly there were many mistakes and misconceptions during the video. Every question you asked has a answer, you just didn't know it. There is the screen play books, interviews, and talks with the creators that answer everyone one of them unfortunately the movie was edited and lost much of the explanation for many things, the fans knew the answers but anyone not deep into the lore and other sources wouldn't know, and that was why si many people didn't understand the movie
I completely agree with your thesis that most people don’t want to have to think when they watch movies, and that’s why we get the same schlock released year after year, sometimes to critical acclaim. I also agree that Prometheus was unfairly panned by critics and audiences who refused to try and understand it. I wish Ridley Scott released a statement saying “sorry if this movie wasn’t the ball of Xenomorphs, gore, and low brow monster-killing you expected, but there were four other movies about that in the series”.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes prometheus and wishes the engineers could be explored more. If I had it my way, I’d want them to world build more by maybe including the predators or whatever other races exist. I feel like it would be cool to find out there are connections but without over explaining to keep some mystery. Maybe they could follow a similar story from marvel comics where there’s the eternals, deviants, and humans who were all created by the celestials. The engineers could be the eternals and the predators could be the deviants. The only information a trilogy of movies would uncover would be that there are those other 2 races with some connection and them plus us were created by something and there were conflicts. I feel that would maintain mystery while still having a sense of story and universe
I just stumbled across your channel two years after you made this video Sir, and I love/like videos that makes me think, and the theories you put forth sound plausible and made me think, and now I need to go back and watch the Alien trilogy, as well as the Prometheus movies. Again my thanks Sir
Shaws body recieved and maintained her good infection during a pregnancy and after the trauma of "birth." In that capacity it healed her rapidly and aided in her survival. I think it's the most awesome schmoo, it's what yoi or your injector needs at the time and in absence of trauma or project, it evolves the host.
I personally thought Prometheus was fantastic as the begining of something new. It set the stage for a huge universe full of all sorts of unknowns, which included but wasn't limited to the xenos. It showed there was a grand universe full of many great and terrifying things, and painted humanity as unimportant and small in the face of these things. It opened doors for possibilities beyond our own comprehension where we would be simple observes of happenings well above our ability to effect or control. Not only did the universe NOT revolve around mankind, but we were just forgotten/failed experiments left alone on our little mudball petri dish sitting in some backwater part of the universe. Then comes Covenant (which fwiw I liked, for what it was), which slams all of those doors to larger events, unknowns, and mysteries. It shrunk the universe to even smaller limits than they started with in Alien. At least in Alien, we are given the impression that there are things in the universe well beyond our understanding and that humanity may not be the be-all end-all. With Covenant, yes the Engineers are still a thing I guess, but they're painted as more of an extinct predecessor of sorts to humanity. Suddenly, humanity is at the forefront of everything and the universe becomes smaller again for it. We were created by the engineers who we apparently superceded and replaces. We created AI. The AI we created then creates the xenos, using our DNA as a catalsyst. Everything revolves around humanity at this point. For me it takes the wonder and mystery of a universe we can't comprehend, and goes back to just another man creates his own downfall trope. Not a bad trope I suppose, but definitely not what I imagine most folks thought of (certainly not what I thought of) before these prequels when they thought about the Alien series.
Dude, i just found out about your channel and already saw all of your videos, THEY'RE SO GOOD! I love the overthinking and overanalysing tought exercises you do, it gives fresh new ideas about movies that otherwise i would never care about that much, amazing content.
A few months ago I've watched some videos that explained the lore based on the leaks of the screenplay. It contains translation of alien text and speech that reveals key stuff about the lore. I don't remember everything and I can't find the exact video at the moment. Still some key points were that engineers were sterile, they could not reproduce and they have created the black goo as a way to seed new life. That's what we see at the start of "Prometheus". It is indeed gene modification tool. I personally think that the Engineers are remnants of another dead civilization. They were an advanced form of robots, superior in every aspect, almost immortal, but sterile.
I agree. Prometheus was a fantastic sci-fi film and story. Visually it was amazing and the story kept me guessing and asking questions years after watching it. I wish it would have been a trilogy about the engineers because they're the most interesting Alien I've seen in decades. The xenomorphs to me will always be cool but getting teased with the engineers was a bummer to not learn and see more of them. Good video man.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are correct that most movie goers don’t want to use their brains and interpret what they are seeing. Prometheus was great and I agree with most of what you’ve said here.
I agree with the whole Deacon bit. A ' typical ' facehugger impregnates it's host, then comes the chestburster. The resulting chestburster / Xenomorph depends on the host's DNA (Dog, Human, Engineer). But I also believe it depends on the type of Goo, and the " hugger " stage. And possibly Queen to egg. Shaw flips / bypasses all of this buy becoming pregnant, giving birth to the octopushugger. Then it ingests the engineers face, leaving it's embryo. So the Deacon maybe one way, and a typical facehugger would create a whole different result. I also think it depends on the goo. We're led to believe the jars are like the eggs, and the trilobites are the resulting facehuggers. However the eggs in Alien created a different Human - Xenomorph than what we see in Aliens. Also, in Alien we dint see a queen alien laying the eggs, they're just all around like the jars (possible evolution of the jars?) but we do see an engineer having its chest burst outward. This either is a third engineer - alien species (due to a different goo, evolved goo eggs), result of a trilobite impregnating an engineer, or even something else entirely. Or maybe something similar happened, a trilobite impregnated the engineer, resulting in a queen alien, that laid eggs (tho regular facehuggers appear, the Queens we see are the results of human hosts, we're led to believe that the host determines the look of the resulting Xenomorph. But we're also led to believe the typical Xenomorph is the same as the human hosted ones) and thus Alien picks-up. This can explain why the human Xenomorph here is different from that of those seen in Aliens and so on and so forth (maybe the facehuggers we see are all typical no matter the hosted queen, but depends on the goo too). Shaw acts as a queen Xenomorph, and her offspring impregnates an engineer creating the deacon. Well these are at least my theories / things I can only explain / skepticize about with all the information.
I think the reason why people didn't like the movie isn't that it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore. It's that no one wanted an origin story to the xenomorphs because the mystery is more terrifying than the "truth." And...also...because it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
in prometheus the map guy got lost cos the map guy needed maps thats why hes a map guy no sense of direction, the animal expert reaches out to touch dangerous alien because he's an animal guy he loves animals, strangely the most logical things for their characters to do but at the same type the stupidest possible decisions
The goo is a weapon... The movie itself says it is and is the whole reason the ship had to be stopped from reaching earth. And Prometheus is an alien origin story. The aliens just change depending on the species they sprout from. Doesn't have the classic xenomorphs we usually see but it is implied that they are from the black goo.
That's so true! Prometheus was fantastic, setting up an incredible new story... Then, fans fucked it up. There you have it, Covenant! Congrats. I love Alien, but man, Prometheus was a new thing, that seemed to go on a really cool direction. It was so fresh, so unique. I'd love to see were it was supposed to go, without no Alien Covenant. But well, guess that went down the hole..
I like that you opened with Pandorum, that was SUCH a good sci fi movie. Prometheus is in my top 5 favorite Sci Fis of all time. The ending left so many possibilities open, and I really think Covenant was an excellent follow-up. I'd be really disappointed if they don't finish the trilogy as there's still A LOT of story possibility left. You are right on point.
right now they show that they had the same as ours... but enginer is the more advance...cleary they gave up try to made more since whatever they do.. it will never be good enough..
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THANK YOU for actually understanding sci-fi and movies in general. They should be thought provoking, fun, and usually gives a few mysteries we are never supposed to solve. Simply from what the goo does throughout the movie I figured what you did, it is a tool, used to change or evolve what it comes into contact with.
..."Prometheus was a perfect intro movie to a trilogy and it's honestly one of the best sci-fi movies ever made." you lost a lot of people's intentions to contemplate your opinions and theories with this statement.
I personally disliked Prometheus for the exact reason that it felt like the first movie in a series. It didn't feel like it could stand on its own two feet. To me it felt like it needed it's sequels to be validated and because we never got those sequels it feels incomplete.
Excellent video. Not surprised no one else has brought up any of these points. They’re not obvious, but they make sense. Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain everything.
Masterpiece of sci-fi horror action movie. I'm big fan of sci-fi movies when they are good made, I was so surprised by this underrated movie from 2009 it's very clever very claustrophobic filled with emojis to horror movies like The Shining, Aliens and Alien with excellent cinematography and very good practical effects and great CGI with some great ideas about humanity and at the end of our Civilization and our reaction to the apocalypse. Ben Forster was as always very charismatic and very good, Dennis Quaid was great in his role with a great supporting characters. Don't listen to the critics and their opinions I highly suggest you give it I watch it's very underrated and I highly recommend it to you.
I completely agree with you that Prometheus is a good movie! There is so much more to it than most realise! The opening scene is criticised by a lot of people (tell me you don't understand the scene, without telling me you don't understand the scene), but as far as I'm concerned, it's outstanding! The atmosphere created is one of, if not the best of any movie! I don't like covenant, not just because there are so many mistakes, but mainly because it could, and should have, been so much better!
Prometheus was a brilliant film that should have expanded the aliens universe and allowed for so much more content for the fans. Sadly, the dumb ass folks who for some reason desperately wanted yet another film featuring an inept group of space faring humans being systematically eliminated by a xenomorph that's eventually killed by the last women on the ship by either sheer luck a convient air lock.
Doesn’t explain the difference between the two types of engineers that we encounter. Exoskeleton military armor and engineer without it. It’s many things. Accelerated life, accelerated weapons, accelerated anything they want it to be is the goo. Just how we use many resources for many things the black goo is no different great video welcome back bruv!
Lauren Anderson you really nailed it. I was hoping like yourself for so much more and instead got another standard film that ruined so much of the lore. Well said.
Prometheus was an issue with editing. They edited out all the information that better asked questions. There is a fan edit that adds all the cut scenes and those promotion videos back in. Also, the conversation between the engineer and david, the engineer fight with shaw. it adds so much more to the film and help added a lot to the film.
I completely agree with you, I loved Prometheus and was really looking forward to the trilogy after seeing it. It dealt with interesting questions like origins of humanity and wasn’t your straightforward SF horror most people were expecting having alien movies in mind. Ridley Scott was probably unhappy about the large amount of unfair criticism Prometheus received and Covenant was his way of giving middle finger and basically saying "okay, you dont want to see me try something new, creative and diferrent, here is the most bland, generic movie ever". Thats why he destroyed the whole Prometheus story in covenant and killed main protagonist off screen. Now, unfortunately, people like you and me will never see what story the maestro himself, original creator od Alien franchise, wanted to tell and all we’ll get are those silly generic avp type movies that get released simply to earn some money off of famous franchise name
I feel that alien covenant is just ridley just tried to do everything the people where yelling to him about prometheus. But i think the biggest issue is that they mentioned that it was a prequel to alien. Which they should have never done, and instead just have it be a part of the universe
Don't really agree about it being as highly rated as you do. It's my third favorite in the Alien franchise but that just means I think it's better than others. Each their own though, I respect your opinion. It had mystery and potential. However there are a lot of scenes where like Covenant, the crew act completely stupid. That biologist and the space cobra is gotta be the best example but there's more. The stupidity is far worse in Covenant though. Having said that, I kinda want to see that scene redone where they give the Engineer time to go take an Austin Powers long piss and get some coffee.
RUclipsr: This scene from scene 23 totally fits into scene 42 and they make our hypothesis to correct. Director: Let's just put some crazy shit that make the scenery amazing.
Pandorum's great. It was one of those "I remember that" movies from when I was a teen, and after rewatchin' it just a few months ago, I'm convinced it's a hidden gem. As far as Prometheus, I didn't think it was a bad movie, just a bad "Alien franchise" movie.
Your video found its way into my feed. Loved the deep drive into the show which I wasn't aware it even existed, Pandorum. Glad YT did and subscribed immediately
I could be that what the engineers were running from was the airborne goo which is why we never saw something chasing them and why one just dropped dead. The goo itself is sure an engine for evolution, but I think that the goo used to create humanity and the goo they find aren't the same version. And that the engineers use genetic information from other species to test better versions of themselves, and that the goo the found was made using alien dna, which is why we see worms turn into face hugger snakes, amount other xenomorph like life cycle phase creatures after the goo is introduced to life. And that the second ship David stool from the other lab was housing a different genetic source goo, which would exaplin that goos different interaction in covenent, its possible the goo they found in promtheus was a failed batch which is why they were trying to run or that it expired overtime and that the goo they encounter on arrival didn't do the same as the goo did when it was first manufactured.
You convinced me: there was more to Prometheus than I credited. But! What was up with the biologist sticking his face right into the space python? That scene more than any other made me believe I was watching an unserious attempt at a movie. Great video essay!
Stop with the "supposed to ask yourself questions" excuse. You ask questions alongside provided nuggets of information. Thus having a lead as to which questions should be asked. The movie still has to have a goal. You discuss themes presented in an elaborate way so you can put them in context with your current lifestyle and social environment. But Prometheus hid that information intentionally while focusing on irrelevant things like 3 different mutation results. It did not elaborate engineer society instead it presented idiot scientists alongside human assumptions without searching for evidence instead just believing. That contradicted the science plot. It had no obvious narrative goal. You did not know which question you should ask yourself. The most interesting things like the mural and the big heads should have been explored. Shaw's motivation should have been explored but instead was ignored in favor of retardedly acting scientists. So for all that is dear to you STOP making excuses. This movie is probably the best looking sci-fi movie existing but the narrative thread is simply not existing. If Scott had done an extended cut with all deleted scenes in it the movie had that narrative thread. It had been a mediocre execution, but well rounded nontheless. The movie failed because it ultimately was linked to a big budget B movie and tried to mystify the very simple premise of hostile monsters killing people. It should have explored religion, science, creation and the ethics behind it. A story as old as humans but with that personal take of Scott. Instead it had no goal post. So the smallest denominator were the mutations. And even they did not follow any obvious rules so what were we supposed to discuss alongside those creatures?
I LOVED both Prometheus and Covenant, and thought they were pretty clear but i really like your perspective on what the black goo is.. well done good sir!! 👍🏻
Maybe the *black goo* is like “Bertie Bott’s Every Flavor Beans”. This jar makes squid babies, this one turns you into a sewer mutant from Futurama, this one does angry bee swarm and you don’t wanna know what that one does man. Detroit is still recovering from that one.
Audiences are so used to just sitting down, opening their mouths for the movie to spoon feed them the story. Add a few explosions, a banging soundtrack and maybe a cliché monster and you got a blockbuster. Prometheus was a great set up, too bad it went over the majority of people's heads.
Interesting theory. I always assumed the engineer loses his shit because humans weren't supposed to get that far. Like we're the experimental lab rats that got out of our cage and began munching on power cables.
My theory is that humans were just an ingredient in a bigger recipe. The black goo was supposed to move us on to the next stage of a controlled evolutionary path, however a spanner was thrown in the works when the engineers had an outbreak aboard their ship and the mission to add the next ingredient failed. This gave humanity the time it needed to discover space travel, making us not only a failed experiment but also a potential threat.
The reason the engineer shit the bed when he saw David is because David was confirmation of his impending demise. Think about it. The lab rats had not only escaped confinement and begun to self actualise, but they were now capable of building superior versions of themselves. Not only is it an affront to "god" and his monopoly on creation, but it is a direct and serious threat to his superiority.
Humans no longer needed god. God was obsolete. Furthermore god was now under threat of extinction.
It's the next level up from the "man's creation being his undoing" trope. Usually it is artificial intelligence or an engineered virus killing humans off. This time humans were the engineered virus. The moment man became self aware and independent was the beginning of the end for the Engineers, and the big guy knew it.
I agree that Prometheus gets far too much hate. It's not a fantastic movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it's good enough.
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But just waking up from a long sleep his first thought probably wasn't... oh shit its a failed experiment! When you first wake up after a bad night it takes a minute for you to remember what happened you know? Especially if you just get woken up out of nowhere on some random bs from some little people that look just as confused as you do
The black goo is the last remnants of their progenitors blood/dna, they have seeded planets in attempts to rekindle his/its species, their 'God' was the last of his kind and they've been trying to bring it back.
The humans didn't build a superior version of themselves.. they built their replacement that wasn't even human, it was a machine with a human face... If they had built a superior version of themselves they would have gone down the genetic alteration and recombination path... which is what the engineers had done...Wtf are you talking about?
@Compassionate Predator I kinda doubt that. A species that is able to traverse the stars and is as advanced in genetic manipulation to create the black goo as an evolutionary accelerant strikes me as the type that doesn't make things for no reason.
That's a very human sentiment derived out of boredom immaturity and lacking any true species wide purpose. The only thing humans consistently do right is fuck up the areas they inhabit at the expense of almost everything else around them.
Considering that they had developed an accelerant and had made and seeded humans on an engineered planet they may have been testing how this batch and that batch of humans developed to select the ones that would have been given the accelerant for further rapid advancement. However what the criteria for said advancement might be idk.
A humanoid race like the engineers probably think along the time spans of millions of years, as that's the necessary kind of thinking required for the study of biological evolution unassisted.
Pandorum is so underappreciated
My problem with prometheus: its effectively a movie about a bunch of smart people making the dumbest decisions at every turn
Agreed
EXACTLY!!!! Like a very smart, very rich woman running from a gigantic rolling spaceship that reminded me of a Woody Woodpecker cartoon when the character runs from a falling tree in a straight line instead of just SIDE-STEPPING it!
the script till his daughter heir the dumb sciences to make her dad loss
@@rebeccajones4617 What?
@@samuelfortin8103 hire not heir my sorry
The written script actually dispels all your theories about the Engineers possibly not wanting to kill us. They did. We were a failure. We didn't live up to their expectations.
FACTS. This whole vid is false if you have the scripts or listen to ridley commentary after the film came out. The goo was a reforming weapon. They wanted to kill humans because we killed the engineer that they sent to help us, it was suppose to be jesus but the studio made ridley change it.
Watch the whole video instead of talking
if that's really Ridley Scott's purpose for the black goo then he has his head up his butt...... that blackgod Monument clearly looks like a uterus meaning using they were using it be able to continue procreating and the only means they had was that goo how it could have been a one tool they use for pretty much everything....... there were a lot of good elements that can make a great story but Ridley Scott had his head up his butt and wasn't being coherent
@@chiefline7084 EXACTLY my friend...
@@winstonwolfwhiteshoes wow my guy you definitely put me on. I thought I knew all the Alien lore. They should run it back. Franchises like Aliens never dies. Unless a Jeepers Creepers director touches it. 🤣👊🏾
The deleted (unfilmed?) scene that was in the script clearly states the engineer they woke up says humans have failed, they took a man and educated him (referring to Jesus) and he was hung from a cross for it. They value self sacrifice for a cause and having an android (an insult) before him asking for more life (an insult) made him angry and he started killing.
Effects of the black goo were inconsistent though.
Also, black goo, even if not meant to be a weapon, it certainly could be. Fertilizer, cars, screwdrivers, power drills, kitchen knives, all meant for something else but fighting/defense/killing but they certainly can be. Black goo can be multipurpose as well.
There is in RUclips that deleted scene (they filmed it)
What is called that clip ? And can goo be lubricant ? :)
Facts
I was thinking the same thing about the goo all the way through this video. It was like we were being forced to think of it as a weapon so dude can make a point. Another great syfy film, Arrival, debates if something means weapon or tool. This is so common with many tools and that is exactly what the movie showed us, it was a tool that could be used in many ways. Not sure I agree it is some evolution drug, at least not in the sense in makes it's host better. It does seem to rapidly change DNA based on the subject it interacts with, with violent reactions. As an origin Alien story it makes sense as aliens take on parts of the subject they interact with, very rapidly as well. Yet 1+1 always equals 3 with these videos.
Oh and not sure if this was fan theory or confirmed by Ridley. The engineers lost the ability to procreate through cloning I believe, the worship of the deacon and the goo are their success in trying to remedy that problem.
As Ridley Scott has created his own filmverse + I think he deservers a bit more respect, as well as people in general. Sure some do like it simple, but we wouldn't have the massive library of syfy movies that make you think if most just liked it simple. Guess that's antilogic for ya
@@norischuk You mean Goo-bricant? ;)
I went into Prometheus knowing literally nothing about it. I was very surprised to see it was an Alien origin. The big reveal was an awesome moment going in blind.
Enjoy, Prometheus and Covenant are genius only movies
Same I saw the trailer and went in completely blind. I had no idea it had anything to do with the alien universe. It was satisfying AF
Same!
@Mayassocalledlife I was literally scrolling through movies and just clicked it
@Mayassocalledlife yeah that's a popular opinion amongst not genius, they also think david survived at the end
I liked xenomorphs when they were essentially interstellar cockroaches
I keep thinking about AVP when the predators use a shoulder cannon to wipe out xenos like nothin lol
You mustn't be afraid to dream a bit bigger, darling.
@@WTAWWR08 if the unmitigated dumpster fire of Covenant is "dreaming bigger" then keeping things simple is the best path
Exactly! They are a creepy, dangerous space-bug that are terrifying to encounter. The best alien movies didn't care at all where they came from or how they came into existence. We don't need to know that, to have a good story. When you're surrounded by wolves, you really don't care about all the little evolutionary conditions that caused them to have sharp teeth, powerful jaws, the ability to run fast, the ability to work in a team. None of that mattes when your story is about not getting killed by wolves!
@@calvinthebold99 your one of those, big explosions make a story with no plot ok.
What I loved the most about Prometheus was the question at the end was do you really want to meet our maker what if they don’t like us? What makes the movie even more interesting is David knows his maker and he clearly hates them. Such a cool dynamic and thought provoker.
Right. How was David smarter than his upgrade model in Alien C
Just so you know two things can have the exact same DNA and have very very different appearances. There is a phenomenon called Epi-genetics where the environment can alter what phenotypes get expressed in the genome. I would argue that the goo controls gene expression rather than rewrite the genetic blueprint.
it call evolution.. it when thing mutated and the mutation benefit the enviroment that why it go to contime to the next gen... while some disvantage don't cause enough to get rip off so it still going.. your tailbone or our badly desgin body... still exisit..
@@campkira I like to think the tailbone is slowly evolving me into a mermaid
The Black Goo Explained: So one night, Ridley Scott was up late and watched the X-FILES movie and thought "No one will remember this...."
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No one will know....how will they know?
Haha exactly. The black goo mystery is nothing new or original. Ridley has clearly lost his ability to make good movies and should have handed the story off to someone more competent.
@@awesward4454 its a masterpiece/classic
Well if u wana go there even spongebob has a black goo concept, and lady gagas Fame video, and helix etc, maybe Illuminati elites are telling us something about whats coming
The crew thinking Vickers was an android was simply a jest. B/c she rarely showed emotion and was so cold and …droid like. I don’t think they ACTUALLY thought Vickers was a robot.
Prometheus was the greatest sci-fi movie ever. I'm so upset that Ridley backpedaled and lost confidence in his original idea
The mystery of the three sea shells has haunted me since the day demolition man was released.
It was the very first movie I ever went to by myself as a kid and absolutely blew me away, and I STILL manage to watch it a couple of times a year lol.
Those are buttons for a bidet, japan has something like that in their talking toilers
Half of what he said a mystery is not a mystery anymore
Brotha correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the engineers that were running in the hologram have their insides expanded outwards as if something dug or shot out of them? Like a small creature exploded out of their abdomen
They definitely did. The two stragglers that discovered that pile of bodies said it looks like something burst its way out of their chests
Also at the start of hologram there's creatures scream
Bruh, you be REACHING on these concepts.... And I love every second of it 🤣🤣.
Don't he tho lol
Me personally I think that prometheus is a lot of wasted potential with an aftertaste of compromise.
Me too , it had so much promise
And then well fkn nothing
It was the same with the platform
Just some huh ?ending
@@howmuchbeforechamp yeah personally I'm getting kind of sick of the extremely preachy movies that keep coming out now. Since they all boil down to the same few messages over and over. "The rich man bad" and "the mundane life is so soul crushing" are the ones that irritate me the most. It could be the hypocrisy of it but I'm not entirely sure.
It almost feels like somebody had a great script.......then somebody else changed it
it happen due to they got to production before they finalized the moive.. they just want to expand the idea of this big being... we know from og moive that it is alive... due to the hole in the chest...
It's a shame I'm just now finding your channel but I'm glad I did. This is only the 3rd video I've watched so far and I'm hooked. You had me look at fight club a completely different way and it was obvious after you explained it. I like your attention to detail and how in depth you get. It's about time there's something with some intellect making videos instead of most of the useless garbage on here. So thank you man its nice getting a break in the day and watching something I enjoy. Life has sucked for everyone the last few years so anytime someone can spread some happiness i think that's a genuine gift.
Same for me. Started with Fight Club, which was brilliant. The best theory I've ever seen on it and now I'm going down the rabbit hole of his videos.
Smart movie? B.S.
Oh no! We're lost despite having a map! I know, lets get high. Oh look! A hentai monster! Let's pet it! Oh GOD! Its attacking us! I never expected an alien monster to attacj us!
Yup, that's more less how I feel about it too. It had a lot of cool things going for it, looked awesome, great effects, but they act way too stupid to make it a masterpiece. There's some degree of stupid in the first two movies, but not nearly as bad.
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Yep. Great concept and ideas but mediocre execution.
You said it. A bit of stupid is fine. But they overdosed on Prometheus.
Even the tech didn't make sense for the timeline. It's supposed to be set prior to the events of Alien yet we have touch screens and Ted Talks? 🤔🙄.
The Nostromo from Alien and Sulacco from Aliens uses tech that's semi hard wired analogue.
A Dunning-Kruger movie!
Nice breakdown, love you vids brotha
The dead fish popping out is a perfect metaphor for Prometheus as a movie.
If anyone's curious It's actually been established as to what the black liquid is. It's artificial Deacon blood. The engineers came across a creature much like a facehugger long ago, it impregnated one of them and the creature that was born from the engineer was called a deacon, and they worshiped it like a god, you can actually see it in some of the hieroglyphics in the movie. It looked much like the creature that came out of the engineer at the end of the movie. The creatures blood had a very specific property, when one of the engineers drank it, it allowed for their DNA to sead a planet with life forms similar to them. What you see the engineer drinking at the beginning of the movie was the last bit of Deacon blood that the engineers had left. The original Deacon had died long ago and they were attempting to recreate its blood to continue seading life on other planets. The planet that you see in the second movie with engineer like beings was another planet that they had seeded.
That's actually a really good explanation of that
And that's how we got the Xenomorph. Explained in the game Alien: Fireteam that came out a few weeks ago.
Dallas said it appeared to grow out of the Chair. He meant that the Jockey was a part of the ship. That was the cosmic horror of Giger bio and electromechanical hybrid creatures.Imagine how more terrifyingly awesome if they showed the real beings from The Derelict?
He says that right after the line "It's been dead a long time... fossilized..." I don't think he meant it always part of the chair, I think that line was emphasize the point that it has been there for tens of thousands of years at least, if not longer. Fossils tend to look that way over time.
@@calvinthebold99 I know that, that s what I always thought he meant , apparently Ridley would say otherwise..
I always liked the idea that Vickers was an android that thought she was human, sort of like a control experiment for David, one android aware of what he was, the other believing she was human. And then maybe she's not dead just a bit squashed and laid alone on an alien planet coming to terms with discovering she's not really human...
awesome theory
It's amazing that after 8 years, you're the first person I've ever seen bring up any of these points. I've always thought that the brilliance of the "Alien" story (and "Predator" for that matter) was that we could always learn more about them, but never really solve the mystery. Ya know -- like real science. "Covenant" slightly tarnishes that. However, I still like the idea it presents of the human-created android being the most dangerous weapon in existence. Gotta love the ol' A.I. self-awareness dread...
I see what you mean with Covenant "explaining" everything, but I disagree. The Engineer ship found in Alien (1979) has eggs that work real well, and look ancient. There's no way David would have made those. At least, I think he did something similar, but the eggs and goo and chestbursters aren't inventions exclusive to him.
@@zenarion I agree with you -- that's what I'm saying. I don't think David "invented" the xenomorphs either. "Covenant's" plot was just very lazily written. It is hinted at in "Prometheus" that the xenomorphs may have existed before the Engineers. They probably should've went further down that route in "Covenant."
Research BLACK GOO (you know on GOOgle)... the shit is real.
Dude, this is one of your best vids yet!!! All very interesting theories and very plausible moving forward with the franchise.
There is no reference to alien in the title and it was Scott and the studio that pushed that connection.
Scott went back and used ideas that weren't used in alien (like the xenomorph mural) and he is the one in numerous interviews that made mention to "alien" DNA and an answer to what the space jockey is. Scott alluded to alien not the audience.
Your analysis relies too much on your subjective opinion.
Prometheus was ruined by rewrite and cash grabs linking it directly to alien.
You're clearly defending a film you like and not looking at it's objective failures.
How does the fifeld and Millburn get lost?
Why does David infect Holloway without studying the black goo first? Surely the plan wasn't, potentially get everyone killed so your owner stays in cryo sleep forever?
Why can the medipod not scan and recognise male and female anatomy?
How can Shaw run and rappell after a cesarean?
What was the relevance of the violin girl hologram?
Why isn't the engineer subtitled? He is in the directors cut.
How did no one know what happened to fifeld and Millburn? There were in contact with the Prometheus the entire time they were in the structure.
You can't blame an audience for it being badly written dishonestly advertised and bland.
If falls far short of creating unanswered questions that are compelling or interesting, like what is the space jockey? how did the eggs get there? what is the alien? Like alien did.
It was a narrative disgrace, didn't know if it wanted to be a high concept scifi about the origin of existence or a creepy horror. It failed at both.
I concur
A truly awful film
Another turd in the franchise
Not different from terminator and predator and other 80s action greats.
All gone
Exactly. I dont recall the audiance stating "this movie will answer your questions"
What's good Logic? Here comes another great outside the box discussion everybody.
Actually you chosen name alone is a pathetic waste and shows exactly who you are.
By the by, your name is most inaccurate fool boy
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 hey don't be rude to people, that might be a child behind the name you think is silly. Not everyone uses their real full name like I do for their email address... Tons of people get treated poorly IRL every day... Sorry if I offend you, but my own daughter was harassed on and offline. Also, the name is spelled in an odd way but sometimes ya gotta keep changing and tweeking your email address, it's hard to get the name you want. The computer probably gave a few examples of the name wanted then he/she chose whatever example was as close to the name wanted...
@@lesliehardeman6212 funny. But I was pointing specifically at the name itself. Points to that pathetic human thinking only one skin color matters. Ya dumbarse.
Nobody being rude just pointing out hypocrisy and self righteousness that the young are told to think like.
And no sir, that is not an actual kid
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 some white people put white people first so some black people feel the same in America we swear on the bible in court Jewish or not because Christianity is our state religion 😆 the jews are white and they say they are Gods chosen above all races but your checking blacks @freemasons my guy💯
@@samierking2256 nah just laugh at the pitiful self righteousness of most dark skins and the privileges they think they're owed just for the color.
Nonexistent. You work and earn what you get. If one gets mistreated, they more than likely deserve it. Simply that is all
There is actually a deleted scene of the engineer saying he is going to destroy humanity because we didn't follow the rules/ way of life that they taught us.
There's a problem with your theory that happens in the beginning of the movie: the engineer drink some of the black goo and you see his body decompose and fall apart as it falls into the water and his genetic material is being used to accelerate the DNA of life forms in the water. So while it may be an evolutionary accelerator, it also has the potential to be a bio weapon
At 3:19, the liquid falling from her doesn't look like sweat, it looks like her hair is just wet. I don't care how hard you've been working out, sweat is not gonna be falling off you like a faucet. Lol
its liquid from the cryosleep pod,check the 1st scene with the crew,when they all wake up,Shaw is throwing up,Holloway is laughing,and they all leak with David putting towels on them. In thise pods they are in some liquid...
I could be totally wrong but here's my 2 cents. I don't think that the black goo is an evolutionary accelerant but maybe something that causes mutations or a bad batch of some other experiment. The opening scene shows us an engineer drinking what seems to be the black goo which breaks down his body which in turn is the seeding of human life on earth. The room with all the black goo vases have depictions of the Xenomorph most likely as a warning like our biohazard symbol. That ship was parked on a deserted planet to contain the hazardous material, kinda like what we would do with radioactive waste. Maybe the engineer killed everyone because he knew they didn't understand the purpose of the facility and rather than explain and run the risk of an outbreak, it was more prudent to eliminate potential hosts.
THANK YOU for being smart and thinking against the crowd.
Missed you bro. Your videos and explanations are top tier. I like how you make me see movies in a different light than I originally took it. You're awesome, bro. Keep up the good work.
The moment he explained generic horror movies I was like yep that's exactly why they aren't scary lol
"Prometheus was one of the best scifi movies ever made....."
I'm out.
I agree. One of my most favorite movies ever.
The reason I didn't like Prometheus isn't because I don't like to think, it's because when I did think about the character's motivations, the reasoning of the characters conclusions, etc - it didn't make sense. This film was poorly written, and had many logical contradictions or just nonsensical plot elements that simply didn't make any sense.
Prometheus is only a movie you can enjoy if you DO NOT think about it. That was its failure and why it is largely forgotten.
Remember Memento? If you've seen it you probably do, because that movie really made you think, and it may only have a single small plothole. What a great film that was.
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There are explanations from Ridley Scott about this stuff. Black goo is what is replicated based off of the original genetic material from an unknown alien the engineers encountered millennia ago. Engineers are immortal, genetically modified, but sterile and their species is slowly but surely fading away. When one of them was infected by the parasite, it produced an offspring and they revered it as holy, seeing as how their species was sterile. They used its genetic material, refined as a mutation accelerant, to seed life on barren worlds. You seem them do this on earth with the original material in the opening sequence.
The black goo is the weaponized form of what they replicated from the original alien genetic material. To get philosophical, it’s essentially a distillation of all the facets of organic life and evolution which embody violence. It’s a weapon that turns into whatever it needs in the moment to transmit itself to organic hosts, and propagate to kill in a cycle. The fact that it always takes a similar form, with a similar modus operandi is the real philosophical mind fuck if you ask me.
It says a lot about life, death, violence, birth, physical contact, procreation, intimacy vs fear...the disturbing, uncaring way it all tangles together.
It’s a bleak af way to ponder the idea that no matter how far humans rise, we cannot escape the clawing animal instincts that shaped us, and how those primal motivations are both our birth cry and death knell.
The problem with Alien Covenant was that it wasn't supposed to be what it was. All the backlash that he got from Prometheus made him change the 2nd movie unfortunately.
I really like the way you made your observations clear and concise and built up a nice repertoire to chew on; I've had a few thoughts on these as I've watched these films, but never as developed because no one I know likes to discuss these things. Good work indeed. You've easily earned a subscriber today sir! Thank you for expanding our minds! Seeking to hear more of your thoughts in the near future.
Ridley Scott was just ripping himself off with this film (I don't know if he was conscious or not since he's drunk most of the time). A human being asks his creator to extend his life... Does it remind you of anything? Let me help: In Blade Runner when Hauer's character asks his human creator to extend his life. The original story was supposed to explain how the engineers seed planets with their DNA decomposed with the black goo to have life spring from it. When humanity was too evil, they sent one of them in human form (Jesus), but humans killed him, so the next step was to wipe humanity. That was the original intent until Damon Lindeloff got a hold of the script and changed it to make it more misterious and open a new trilogy. The Black goo is a biological device which can be weaponized or simply used as a mutation accelerant. But in the end Scott thought it would be ironic if David was the one who created the xenomorphes, and we know how thta turned out. Nice video, but you're making a big deal of something already suggested in the film. I would've loved to see your take on Pandorum, not enough videos about such an underrated gem. Thanx!!!
do less adderall
Or do more...whatever floats yo boat.
Ridley Scott.. had his limited he made alot of moive on what is a good idea but it don't mean it would be 100% good.. alot of time.. he would work in it until time run out and he just do with that story no matter how much plot hole there are... nothing new for him...
bannor216 lol, stream of consciousness.
I read an article not long ago, a deleted scene of sorts. The engineers hated us because they sent an emissary to Earth once it was seeded and life developed to 'teach' us how to live, and humans, in all their infinite glory, crucified him.
Love the fact this has everyone talking, but honestly there were many mistakes and misconceptions during the video. Every question you asked has a answer, you just didn't know it. There is the screen play books, interviews, and talks with the creators that answer everyone one of them unfortunately the movie was edited and lost much of the explanation for many things, the fans knew the answers but anyone not deep into the lore and other sources wouldn't know, and that was why si many people didn't understand the movie
I completely agree with your thesis that most people don’t want to have to think when they watch movies, and that’s why we get the same schlock released year after year, sometimes to critical acclaim. I also agree that Prometheus was unfairly panned by critics and audiences who refused to try and understand it. I wish Ridley Scott released a statement saying “sorry if this movie wasn’t the ball of Xenomorphs, gore, and low brow monster-killing you expected, but there were four other movies about that in the series”.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes prometheus and wishes the engineers could be explored more. If I had it my way, I’d want them to world build more by maybe including the predators or whatever other races exist. I feel like it would be cool to find out there are connections but without over explaining to keep some mystery. Maybe they could follow a similar story from marvel comics where there’s the eternals, deviants, and humans who were all created by the celestials. The engineers could be the eternals and the predators could be the deviants. The only information a trilogy of movies would uncover would be that there are those other 2 races with some connection and them plus us were created by something and there were conflicts. I feel that would maintain mystery while still having a sense of story and universe
thank you for standing with me on the "one of the best sci-fi films" thing
Love your take on this, Prometheus was one of the finest films I’ve ever seen in terms of post-film discussion and analysis. It was a great feeling.
I just stumbled across your channel two years after you made this video Sir, and I love/like videos that makes me think, and the theories you put forth sound plausible and made me think, and now I need to go back and watch the Alien trilogy, as well as the Prometheus movies. Again my thanks Sir
I think the "Black goo" is the same substance called "Soy Sauce" in John Dies at the End
Shaws body recieved and maintained her good infection during a pregnancy and after the trauma of "birth." In that capacity it healed her rapidly and aided in her survival. I think it's the most awesome schmoo, it's what yoi or your injector needs at the time and in absence of trauma or project, it evolves the host.
I personally thought Prometheus was fantastic as the begining of something new. It set the stage for a huge universe full of all sorts of unknowns, which included but wasn't limited to the xenos. It showed there was a grand universe full of many great and terrifying things, and painted humanity as unimportant and small in the face of these things. It opened doors for possibilities beyond our own comprehension where we would be simple observes of happenings well above our ability to effect or control. Not only did the universe NOT revolve around mankind, but we were just forgotten/failed experiments left alone on our little mudball petri dish sitting in some backwater part of the universe.
Then comes Covenant (which fwiw I liked, for what it was), which slams all of those doors to larger events, unknowns, and mysteries. It shrunk the universe to even smaller limits than they started with in Alien. At least in Alien, we are given the impression that there are things in the universe well beyond our understanding and that humanity may not be the be-all end-all. With Covenant, yes the Engineers are still a thing I guess, but they're painted as more of an extinct predecessor of sorts to humanity. Suddenly, humanity is at the forefront of everything and the universe becomes smaller again for it.
We were created by the engineers who we apparently superceded and replaces. We created AI. The AI we created then creates the xenos, using our DNA as a catalsyst. Everything revolves around humanity at this point. For me it takes the wonder and mystery of a universe we can't comprehend, and goes back to just another man creates his own downfall trope. Not a bad trope I suppose, but definitely not what I imagine most folks thought of (certainly not what I thought of) before these prequels when they thought about the Alien series.
Dude, i just found out about your channel and already saw all of your videos, THEY'RE SO GOOD! I love the overthinking and overanalysing tought exercises you do, it gives fresh new ideas about movies that otherwise i would never care about that much, amazing content.
A few months ago I've watched some videos that explained the lore based on the leaks of the screenplay. It contains translation of alien text and speech that reveals key stuff about the lore. I don't remember everything and I can't find the exact video at the moment.
Still some key points were that engineers were sterile, they could not reproduce and they have created the black goo as a way to seed new life. That's what we see at the start of "Prometheus". It is indeed gene modification tool.
I personally think that the Engineers are remnants of another dead civilization. They were an advanced form of robots, superior in every aspect, almost immortal, but sterile.
I bet you were watching "Kroft Talks Movies" channel
I agree. Prometheus was a fantastic sci-fi film and story. Visually it was amazing and the story kept me guessing and asking questions years after watching it. I wish it would have been a trilogy about the engineers because they're the most interesting Alien I've seen in decades. The xenomorphs to me will always be cool but getting teased with the engineers was a bummer to not learn and see more of them. Good video man.
I think Prometheus with all the deleted scenes is an amazing movie
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are correct that most movie goers don’t want to use their brains and interpret what they are seeing. Prometheus was great and I agree with most of what you’ve said here.
I agree with the whole Deacon bit. A ' typical ' facehugger impregnates it's host, then comes the chestburster. The resulting chestburster / Xenomorph depends on the host's DNA (Dog, Human, Engineer). But I also believe it depends on the type of Goo, and the " hugger " stage. And possibly Queen to egg. Shaw flips / bypasses all of this buy becoming pregnant, giving birth to the octopushugger. Then it ingests the engineers face, leaving it's embryo. So the Deacon maybe one way, and a typical facehugger would create a whole different result. I also think it depends on the goo. We're led to believe the jars are like the eggs, and the trilobites are the resulting facehuggers. However the eggs in Alien created a different Human - Xenomorph than what we see in Aliens. Also, in Alien we dint see a queen alien laying the eggs, they're just all around like the jars (possible evolution of the jars?) but we do see an engineer having its chest burst outward. This either is a third engineer - alien species (due to a different goo, evolved goo eggs), result of a trilobite impregnating an engineer, or even something else entirely. Or maybe something similar happened, a trilobite impregnated the engineer, resulting in a queen alien, that laid eggs (tho regular facehuggers appear, the Queens we see are the results of human hosts, we're led to believe that the host determines the look of the resulting Xenomorph. But we're also led to believe the typical Xenomorph is the same as the human hosted ones) and thus Alien picks-up. This can explain why the human Xenomorph here is different from that of those seen in Aliens and so on and so forth (maybe the facehuggers we see are all typical no matter the hosted queen, but depends on the goo too). Shaw acts as a queen Xenomorph, and her offspring impregnates an engineer creating the deacon.
Well these are at least my theories / things I can only explain / skepticize about with all the information.
I think the reason why people didn't like the movie isn't that it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
It's that no one wanted an origin story to the xenomorphs because the mystery is more terrifying than the "truth." And...also...because it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
But you ain't asking the right questions!
in prometheus the map guy got lost cos the map guy needed maps thats why hes a map guy no sense of direction, the animal expert reaches out to touch dangerous alien because he's an animal guy he loves animals, strangely the most logical things for their characters to do but at the same type the stupidest possible decisions
I don’t believe the theory but I love the Prometheus support
The goo is a weapon... The movie itself says it is and is the whole reason the ship had to be stopped from reaching earth.
And Prometheus is an alien origin story. The aliens just change depending on the species they sprout from. Doesn't have the classic xenomorphs we usually see but it is implied that they are from the black goo.
That's so true! Prometheus was fantastic, setting up an incredible new story... Then, fans fucked it up. There you have it, Covenant! Congrats.
I love Alien, but man, Prometheus was a new thing, that seemed to go on a really cool direction. It was so fresh, so unique. I'd love to see were it was supposed to go, without no Alien Covenant. But well, guess that went down the hole..
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You’re still out here, kicking ass & presenting theories.
Keep being awesome!
Cheers!
This is the most clear-logical-answer to the Alien trilogy that makes sense!! Thanks for the insight!
Love your videos brother... thanks for the quality content
Imagine just now watching Pandorum? Lol I watched this as a kid on SyFy back in the day
I like that you opened with Pandorum, that was SUCH a good sci fi movie. Prometheus is in my top 5 favorite Sci Fis of all time. The ending left so many possibilities open, and I really think Covenant was an excellent follow-up. I'd be really disappointed if they don't finish the trilogy as there's still A LOT of story possibility left. You are right on point.
I wanted to know more about the creators and their planet. I guess we will never know now.
right now they show that they had the same as ours... but enginer is the more advance...cleary they gave up try to made more since whatever they do.. it will never be good enough..
Pandorum is fantastic but the over saturation of darkness really detracts from it.
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THANK YOU for actually understanding sci-fi and movies in general. They should be thought provoking, fun, and usually gives a few mysteries we are never supposed to solve. Simply from what the goo does throughout the movie I figured what you did, it is a tool, used to change or evolve what it comes into contact with.
..."Prometheus was a perfect intro movie to a trilogy and it's honestly one of the best sci-fi movies ever made."
you lost a lot of people's intentions to contemplate your opinions and theories with this statement.
I personally disliked Prometheus for the exact reason that it felt like the first movie in a series. It didn't feel like it could stand on its own two feet. To me it felt like it needed it's sequels to be validated and because we never got those sequels it feels incomplete.
"Prometheus is one of tge best sci-fi movies ever made"
Yeah... no. Sorry.
I agree
Excellent video. Not surprised no one else has brought up any of these points. They’re not obvious, but they make sense. Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain everything.
"Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain ANYTHING".
There. Fixed it for you.
Masterpiece of sci-fi horror action movie.
I'm big fan of sci-fi movies when they are good made, I was so surprised by this underrated movie from 2009 it's very clever very claustrophobic filled with emojis to horror movies like The Shining, Aliens and Alien with excellent cinematography and very good practical effects and great CGI with some great ideas about humanity and at the end of our Civilization and our reaction to the apocalypse. Ben Forster was as always very charismatic and very good, Dennis Quaid was great in his role with a great supporting characters. Don't listen to the critics and their opinions I highly suggest you give it I watch it's very underrated and I highly recommend it to you.
I completely agree with you that Prometheus is a good movie! There is so much more to it than most realise!
The opening scene is criticised by a lot of people (tell me you don't understand the scene, without telling me you don't understand the scene), but as far as I'm concerned, it's outstanding! The atmosphere created is one of, if not the best of any movie!
I don't like covenant, not just because there are so many mistakes, but mainly because it could, and should have, been so much better!
Prometheus was a brilliant film that should have expanded the aliens universe and allowed for so much more content for the fans. Sadly, the dumb ass folks who for some reason desperately wanted yet another film featuring an inept group of space faring humans being systematically eliminated by a xenomorph that's eventually killed by the last women on the ship by either sheer luck a convient air lock.
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First video I’ve seen from this channel and I’m loving it
Doesn’t explain the difference between the two types of engineers that we encounter. Exoskeleton military armor and engineer without it. It’s many things. Accelerated life, accelerated weapons, accelerated anything they want it to be is the goo. Just how we use many resources for many things the black goo is no different great video welcome back bruv!
I mean it's a bit of a stretch but we could say the same thing about the use of plastic by humans
Lauren Anderson so true I wish they would have explained the space jockey
Lauren Anderson you really nailed it. I was hoping like yourself for so much more and instead got another standard film that ruined so much of the lore. Well said.
Prometheus was an issue with editing. They edited out all the information that better asked questions. There is a fan edit that adds all the cut scenes and those promotion videos back in. Also, the conversation between the engineer and david, the engineer fight with shaw. it adds so much more to the film and help added a lot to the film.
Prometheus was a terrible movie BECAUSE of the STUPID DECISIONS made by what we call *SCIENTISTS*.
I completely agree with you, I loved Prometheus and was really looking forward to the trilogy after seeing it. It dealt with interesting questions like origins of humanity and wasn’t your straightforward SF horror most people were expecting having alien movies in mind. Ridley Scott was probably unhappy about the large amount of unfair criticism Prometheus received and Covenant was his way of giving middle finger and basically saying "okay, you dont want to see me try something new, creative and diferrent, here is the most bland, generic movie ever". Thats why he destroyed the whole Prometheus story in covenant and killed main protagonist off screen. Now, unfortunately, people like you and me will never see what story the maestro himself, original creator od Alien franchise, wanted to tell and all we’ll get are those silly generic avp type movies that get released simply to earn some money off of famous franchise name
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I feel that alien covenant is just ridley just tried to do everything the people where yelling to him about prometheus.
But i think the biggest issue is that they mentioned that it was a prequel to alien. Which they should have never done, and instead just have it be a part of the universe
Don't really agree about it being as highly rated as you do. It's my third favorite in the Alien franchise but that just means I think it's better than others. Each their own though, I respect your opinion. It had mystery and potential. However there are a lot of scenes where like Covenant, the crew act completely stupid. That biologist and the space cobra is gotta be the best example but there's more. The stupidity is far worse in Covenant though. Having said that, I kinda want to see that scene redone where they give the Engineer time to go take an Austin Powers long piss and get some coffee.
RUclipsr: This scene from scene 23 totally fits into scene 42 and they make our hypothesis to correct.
Director: Let's just put some crazy shit that make the scenery amazing.
Pandorum's great. It was one of those "I remember that" movies from when I was a teen, and after rewatchin' it just a few months ago, I'm convinced it's a hidden gem.
As far as Prometheus, I didn't think it was a bad movie, just a bad "Alien franchise" movie.
right now.. it more like explaintaion moive not.. a moive that made it fun..
Your video found its way into my feed. Loved the deep drive into the show which I wasn't aware it even existed, Pandorum. Glad YT did and subscribed immediately
I disagree that Prometheus was good at all, but I like your videos.
I could be that what the engineers were running from was the airborne goo which is why we never saw something chasing them and why one just dropped dead. The goo itself is sure an engine for evolution, but I think that the goo used to create humanity and the goo they find aren't the same version. And that the engineers use genetic information from other species to test better versions of themselves, and that the goo the found was made using alien dna, which is why we see worms turn into face hugger snakes, amount other xenomorph like life cycle phase creatures after the goo is introduced to life. And that the second ship David stool from the other lab was housing a different genetic source goo, which would exaplin that goos different interaction in covenent, its possible the goo they found in promtheus was a failed batch which is why they were trying to run or that it expired overtime and that the goo they encounter on arrival didn't do the same as the goo did when it was first manufactured.
You convinced me: there was more to Prometheus than I credited. But! What was up with the biologist sticking his face right into the space python? That scene more than any other made me believe I was watching an unserious attempt at a movie.
Great video essay!
Vickers hated her father and wanted him to fail. So she recruited incompetent crew for the expedition.
Damn this is a great video. Well done, subscribed. And yes, Prometheus is a masterpiece!
i think you're delving too deep into whats just bad writing
First vid I've seen of yours. Well paced video and discussion style 👍
Stop with the "supposed to ask yourself questions" excuse.
You ask questions alongside provided nuggets of information. Thus having a lead as to which questions should be asked. The movie still has to have a goal. You discuss themes presented in an elaborate way so you can put them in context with your current lifestyle and social environment.
But Prometheus hid that information intentionally while focusing on irrelevant things like 3 different mutation results. It did not elaborate engineer society instead it presented idiot scientists alongside human assumptions without searching for evidence instead just believing. That contradicted the science plot. It had no obvious narrative goal. You did not know which question you should ask yourself.
The most interesting things like the mural and the big heads should have been explored.
Shaw's motivation should have been explored but instead was ignored in favor of retardedly acting scientists.
So for all that is dear to you STOP making excuses. This movie is probably the best looking sci-fi movie existing but the narrative thread is simply not existing. If Scott had done an extended cut with all deleted scenes in it the movie had that narrative thread. It had been a mediocre execution, but well rounded nontheless.
The movie failed because it ultimately was linked to a big budget B movie and tried to mystify the very simple premise of hostile monsters killing people.
It should have explored religion, science, creation and the ethics behind it. A story as old as humans but with that personal take of Scott. Instead it had no goal post. So the smallest denominator were the mutations. And even they did not follow any obvious rules so what were we supposed to discuss alongside those creatures?
This
I LOVED both Prometheus and Covenant, and thought they were pretty clear but i really like your perspective on what the black goo is.. well done good sir!! 👍🏻
Lol let's talk about David!....why start with him?
Maybe the *black goo* is like “Bertie Bott’s Every Flavor Beans”. This jar makes squid babies, this one turns you into a sewer mutant from Futurama, this one does angry bee swarm and you don’t wanna know what that one does man. Detroit is still recovering from that one.
Audiences are so used to just sitting down, opening their mouths for the movie to spoon feed them the story. Add a few explosions, a banging soundtrack and maybe a cliché monster and you got a blockbuster. Prometheus was a great set up, too bad it went over the majority of people's heads.