Interesting theory. I always assumed the engineer loses his shit because humans weren't supposed to get that far. Like we're the experimental lab rats that got out of our cage and began munching on power cables. My theory is that humans were just an ingredient in a bigger recipe. The black goo was supposed to move us on to the next stage of a controlled evolutionary path, however a spanner was thrown in the works when the engineers had an outbreak aboard their ship and the mission to add the next ingredient failed. This gave humanity the time it needed to discover space travel, making us not only a failed experiment but also a potential threat. The reason the engineer shit the bed when he saw David is because David was confirmation of his impending demise. Think about it. The lab rats had not only escaped confinement and begun to self actualise, but they were now capable of building superior versions of themselves. Not only is it an affront to "god" and his monopoly on creation, but it is a direct and serious threat to his superiority. Humans no longer needed god. God was obsolete. Furthermore god was now under threat of extinction. It's the next level up from the "man's creation being his undoing" trope. Usually it is artificial intelligence or an engineered virus killing humans off. This time humans were the engineered virus. The moment man became self aware and independent was the beginning of the end for the Engineers, and the big guy knew it. I agree that Prometheus gets far too much hate. It's not a fantastic movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it's good enough.
But just waking up from a long sleep his first thought probably wasn't... oh shit its a failed experiment! When you first wake up after a bad night it takes a minute for you to remember what happened you know? Especially if you just get woken up out of nowhere on some random bs from some little people that look just as confused as you do
The black goo is the last remnants of their progenitors blood/dna, they have seeded planets in attempts to rekindle his/its species, their 'God' was the last of his kind and they've been trying to bring it back.
The humans didn't build a superior version of themselves.. they built their replacement that wasn't even human, it was a machine with a human face... If they had built a superior version of themselves they would have gone down the genetic alteration and recombination path... which is what the engineers had done...Wtf are you talking about?
@Compassionate Predator I kinda doubt that. A species that is able to traverse the stars and is as advanced in genetic manipulation to create the black goo as an evolutionary accelerant strikes me as the type that doesn't make things for no reason. That's a very human sentiment derived out of boredom immaturity and lacking any true species wide purpose. The only thing humans consistently do right is fuck up the areas they inhabit at the expense of almost everything else around them. Considering that they had developed an accelerant and had made and seeded humans on an engineered planet they may have been testing how this batch and that batch of humans developed to select the ones that would have been given the accelerant for further rapid advancement. However what the criteria for said advancement might be idk. A humanoid race like the engineers probably think along the time spans of millions of years, as that's the necessary kind of thinking required for the study of biological evolution unassisted.
The deleted (unfilmed?) scene that was in the script clearly states the engineer they woke up says humans have failed, they took a man and educated him (referring to Jesus) and he was hung from a cross for it. They value self sacrifice for a cause and having an android (an insult) before him asking for more life (an insult) made him angry and he started killing. Effects of the black goo were inconsistent though. Also, black goo, even if not meant to be a weapon, it certainly could be. Fertilizer, cars, screwdrivers, power drills, kitchen knives, all meant for something else but fighting/defense/killing but they certainly can be. Black goo can be multipurpose as well.
I was thinking the same thing about the goo all the way through this video. It was like we were being forced to think of it as a weapon so dude can make a point. Another great syfy film, Arrival, debates if something means weapon or tool. This is so common with many tools and that is exactly what the movie showed us, it was a tool that could be used in many ways. Not sure I agree it is some evolution drug, at least not in the sense in makes it's host better. It does seem to rapidly change DNA based on the subject it interacts with, with violent reactions. As an origin Alien story it makes sense as aliens take on parts of the subject they interact with, very rapidly as well. Yet 1+1 always equals 3 with these videos. Oh and not sure if this was fan theory or confirmed by Ridley. The engineers lost the ability to procreate through cloning I believe, the worship of the deacon and the goo are their success in trying to remedy that problem. As Ridley Scott has created his own filmverse + I think he deservers a bit more respect, as well as people in general. Sure some do like it simple, but we wouldn't have the massive library of syfy movies that make you think if most just liked it simple. Guess that's antilogic for ya
I went into Prometheus knowing literally nothing about it. I was very surprised to see it was an Alien origin. The big reveal was an awesome moment going in blind.
Pandorum is so underappreciated My problem with prometheus: its effectively a movie about a bunch of smart people making the dumbest decisions at every turn
EXACTLY!!!! Like a very smart, very rich woman running from a gigantic rolling spaceship that reminded me of a Woody Woodpecker cartoon when the character runs from a falling tree in a straight line instead of just SIDE-STEPPING it!
The written script actually dispels all your theories about the Engineers possibly not wanting to kill us. They did. We were a failure. We didn't live up to their expectations.
FACTS. This whole vid is false if you have the scripts or listen to ridley commentary after the film came out. The goo was a reforming weapon. They wanted to kill humans because we killed the engineer that they sent to help us, it was suppose to be jesus but the studio made ridley change it.
if that's really Ridley Scott's purpose for the black goo then he has his head up his butt...... that blackgod Monument clearly looks like a uterus meaning using they were using it be able to continue procreating and the only means they had was that goo how it could have been a one tool they use for pretty much everything....... there were a lot of good elements that can make a great story but Ridley Scott had his head up his butt and wasn't being coherent
@@winstonwolfwhiteshoes wow my guy you definitely put me on. I thought I knew all the Alien lore. They should run it back. Franchises like Aliens never dies. Unless a Jeepers Creepers director touches it. 🤣👊🏾
Exactly! They are a creepy, dangerous space-bug that are terrifying to encounter. The best alien movies didn't care at all where they came from or how they came into existence. We don't need to know that, to have a good story. When you're surrounded by wolves, you really don't care about all the little evolutionary conditions that caused them to have sharp teeth, powerful jaws, the ability to run fast, the ability to work in a team. None of that mattes when your story is about not getting killed by wolves!
Just so you know two things can have the exact same DNA and have very very different appearances. There is a phenomenon called Epi-genetics where the environment can alter what phenotypes get expressed in the genome. I would argue that the goo controls gene expression rather than rewrite the genetic blueprint.
it call evolution.. it when thing mutated and the mutation benefit the enviroment that why it go to contime to the next gen... while some disvantage don't cause enough to get rip off so it still going.. your tailbone or our badly desgin body... still exisit..
If anyone's curious It's actually been established as to what the black liquid is. It's artificial Deacon blood. The engineers came across a creature much like a facehugger long ago, it impregnated one of them and the creature that was born from the engineer was called a deacon, and they worshiped it like a god, you can actually see it in some of the hieroglyphics in the movie. It looked much like the creature that came out of the engineer at the end of the movie. The creatures blood had a very specific property, when one of the engineers drank it, it allowed for their DNA to sead a planet with life forms similar to them. What you see the engineer drinking at the beginning of the movie was the last bit of Deacon blood that the engineers had left. The original Deacon had died long ago and they were attempting to recreate its blood to continue seading life on other planets. The planet that you see in the second movie with engineer like beings was another planet that they had seeded.
What I loved the most about Prometheus was the question at the end was do you really want to meet our maker what if they don’t like us? What makes the movie even more interesting is David knows his maker and he clearly hates them. Such a cool dynamic and thought provoker.
The crew thinking Vickers was an android was simply a jest. B/c she rarely showed emotion and was so cold and …droid like. I don’t think they ACTUALLY thought Vickers was a robot.
Brotha correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the engineers that were running in the hologram have their insides expanded outwards as if something dug or shot out of them? Like a small creature exploded out of their abdomen
The mystery of the three sea shells has haunted me since the day demolition man was released. It was the very first movie I ever went to by myself as a kid and absolutely blew me away, and I STILL manage to watch it a couple of times a year lol.
Haha exactly. The black goo mystery is nothing new or original. Ridley has clearly lost his ability to make good movies and should have handed the story off to someone more competent.
Well if u wana go there even spongebob has a black goo concept, and lady gagas Fame video, and helix etc, maybe Illuminati elites are telling us something about whats coming
@@howmuchbeforechamp yeah personally I'm getting kind of sick of the extremely preachy movies that keep coming out now. Since they all boil down to the same few messages over and over. "The rich man bad" and "the mundane life is so soul crushing" are the ones that irritate me the most. It could be the hypocrisy of it but I'm not entirely sure.
it happen due to they got to production before they finalized the moive.. they just want to expand the idea of this big being... we know from og moive that it is alive... due to the hole in the chest...
I could be totally wrong but here's my 2 cents. I don't think that the black goo is an evolutionary accelerant but maybe something that causes mutations or a bad batch of some other experiment. The opening scene shows us an engineer drinking what seems to be the black goo which breaks down his body which in turn is the seeding of human life on earth. The room with all the black goo vases have depictions of the Xenomorph most likely as a warning like our biohazard symbol. That ship was parked on a deserted planet to contain the hazardous material, kinda like what we would do with radioactive waste. Maybe the engineer killed everyone because he knew they didn't understand the purpose of the facility and rather than explain and run the risk of an outbreak, it was more prudent to eliminate potential hosts.
There's a problem with your theory that happens in the beginning of the movie: the engineer drink some of the black goo and you see his body decompose and fall apart as it falls into the water and his genetic material is being used to accelerate the DNA of life forms in the water. So while it may be an evolutionary accelerator, it also has the potential to be a bio weapon
There are explanations from Ridley Scott about this stuff. Black goo is what is replicated based off of the original genetic material from an unknown alien the engineers encountered millennia ago. Engineers are immortal, genetically modified, but sterile and their species is slowly but surely fading away. When one of them was infected by the parasite, it produced an offspring and they revered it as holy, seeing as how their species was sterile. They used its genetic material, refined as a mutation accelerant, to seed life on barren worlds. You seem them do this on earth with the original material in the opening sequence. The black goo is the weaponized form of what they replicated from the original alien genetic material. To get philosophical, it’s essentially a distillation of all the facets of organic life and evolution which embody violence. It’s a weapon that turns into whatever it needs in the moment to transmit itself to organic hosts, and propagate to kill in a cycle. The fact that it always takes a similar form, with a similar modus operandi is the real philosophical mind fuck if you ask me. It says a lot about life, death, violence, birth, physical contact, procreation, intimacy vs fear...the disturbing, uncaring way it all tangles together. It’s a bleak af way to ponder the idea that no matter how far humans rise, we cannot escape the clawing animal instincts that shaped us, and how those primal motivations are both our birth cry and death knell.
It's a shame I'm just now finding your channel but I'm glad I did. This is only the 3rd video I've watched so far and I'm hooked. You had me look at fight club a completely different way and it was obvious after you explained it. I like your attention to detail and how in depth you get. It's about time there's something with some intellect making videos instead of most of the useless garbage on here. So thank you man its nice getting a break in the day and watching something I enjoy. Life has sucked for everyone the last few years so anytime someone can spread some happiness i think that's a genuine gift.
Dallas said it appeared to grow out of the Chair. He meant that the Jockey was a part of the ship. That was the cosmic horror of Giger bio and electromechanical hybrid creatures.Imagine how more terrifyingly awesome if they showed the real beings from The Derelict?
He says that right after the line "It's been dead a long time... fossilized..." I don't think he meant it always part of the chair, I think that line was emphasize the point that it has been there for tens of thousands of years at least, if not longer. Fossils tend to look that way over time.
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 hey don't be rude to people, that might be a child behind the name you think is silly. Not everyone uses their real full name like I do for their email address... Tons of people get treated poorly IRL every day... Sorry if I offend you, but my own daughter was harassed on and offline. Also, the name is spelled in an odd way but sometimes ya gotta keep changing and tweeking your email address, it's hard to get the name you want. The computer probably gave a few examples of the name wanted then he/she chose whatever example was as close to the name wanted...
@@lesliehardeman6212 funny. But I was pointing specifically at the name itself. Points to that pathetic human thinking only one skin color matters. Ya dumbarse. Nobody being rude just pointing out hypocrisy and self righteousness that the young are told to think like. And no sir, that is not an actual kid
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 some white people put white people first so some black people feel the same in America we swear on the bible in court Jewish or not because Christianity is our state religion 😆 the jews are white and they say they are Gods chosen above all races but your checking blacks @freemasons my guy💯
@@samierking2256 nah just laugh at the pitiful self righteousness of most dark skins and the privileges they think they're owed just for the color. Nonexistent. You work and earn what you get. If one gets mistreated, they more than likely deserve it. Simply that is all
It's amazing that after 8 years, you're the first person I've ever seen bring up any of these points. I've always thought that the brilliance of the "Alien" story (and "Predator" for that matter) was that we could always learn more about them, but never really solve the mystery. Ya know -- like real science. "Covenant" slightly tarnishes that. However, I still like the idea it presents of the human-created android being the most dangerous weapon in existence. Gotta love the ol' A.I. self-awareness dread...
I see what you mean with Covenant "explaining" everything, but I disagree. The Engineer ship found in Alien (1979) has eggs that work real well, and look ancient. There's no way David would have made those. At least, I think he did something similar, but the eggs and goo and chestbursters aren't inventions exclusive to him.
@@zenarion I agree with you -- that's what I'm saying. I don't think David "invented" the xenomorphs either. "Covenant's" plot was just very lazily written. It is hinted at in "Prometheus" that the xenomorphs may have existed before the Engineers. They probably should've went further down that route in "Covenant."
There is no reference to alien in the title and it was Scott and the studio that pushed that connection. Scott went back and used ideas that weren't used in alien (like the xenomorph mural) and he is the one in numerous interviews that made mention to "alien" DNA and an answer to what the space jockey is. Scott alluded to alien not the audience. Your analysis relies too much on your subjective opinion. Prometheus was ruined by rewrite and cash grabs linking it directly to alien. You're clearly defending a film you like and not looking at it's objective failures. How does the fifeld and Millburn get lost? Why does David infect Holloway without studying the black goo first? Surely the plan wasn't, potentially get everyone killed so your owner stays in cryo sleep forever? Why can the medipod not scan and recognise male and female anatomy? How can Shaw run and rappell after a cesarean? What was the relevance of the violin girl hologram? Why isn't the engineer subtitled? He is in the directors cut. How did no one know what happened to fifeld and Millburn? There were in contact with the Prometheus the entire time they were in the structure. You can't blame an audience for it being badly written dishonestly advertised and bland. If falls far short of creating unanswered questions that are compelling or interesting, like what is the space jockey? how did the eggs get there? what is the alien? Like alien did. It was a narrative disgrace, didn't know if it wanted to be a high concept scifi about the origin of existence or a creepy horror. It failed at both.
Love the fact this has everyone talking, but honestly there were many mistakes and misconceptions during the video. Every question you asked has a answer, you just didn't know it. There is the screen play books, interviews, and talks with the creators that answer everyone one of them unfortunately the movie was edited and lost much of the explanation for many things, the fans knew the answers but anyone not deep into the lore and other sources wouldn't know, and that was why si many people didn't understand the movie
I always liked the idea that Vickers was an android that thought she was human, sort of like a control experiment for David, one android aware of what he was, the other believing she was human. And then maybe she's not dead just a bit squashed and laid alone on an alien planet coming to terms with discovering she's not really human...
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are correct that most movie goers don’t want to use their brains and interpret what they are seeing. Prometheus was great and I agree with most of what you’ve said here.
Smart movie? B.S. Oh no! We're lost despite having a map! I know, lets get high. Oh look! A hentai monster! Let's pet it! Oh GOD! Its attacking us! I never expected an alien monster to attacj us!
Yup, that's more less how I feel about it too. It had a lot of cool things going for it, looked awesome, great effects, but they act way too stupid to make it a masterpiece. There's some degree of stupid in the first two movies, but not nearly as bad.
You said it. A bit of stupid is fine. But they overdosed on Prometheus. Even the tech didn't make sense for the timeline. It's supposed to be set prior to the events of Alien yet we have touch screens and Ted Talks? 🤔🙄. The Nostromo from Alien and Sulacco from Aliens uses tech that's semi hard wired analogue.
I completely agree with your thesis that most people don’t want to have to think when they watch movies, and that’s why we get the same schlock released year after year, sometimes to critical acclaim. I also agree that Prometheus was unfairly panned by critics and audiences who refused to try and understand it. I wish Ridley Scott released a statement saying “sorry if this movie wasn’t the ball of Xenomorphs, gore, and low brow monster-killing you expected, but there were four other movies about that in the series”.
Ridley Scott was just ripping himself off with this film (I don't know if he was conscious or not since he's drunk most of the time). A human being asks his creator to extend his life... Does it remind you of anything? Let me help: In Blade Runner when Hauer's character asks his human creator to extend his life. The original story was supposed to explain how the engineers seed planets with their DNA decomposed with the black goo to have life spring from it. When humanity was too evil, they sent one of them in human form (Jesus), but humans killed him, so the next step was to wipe humanity. That was the original intent until Damon Lindeloff got a hold of the script and changed it to make it more misterious and open a new trilogy. The Black goo is a biological device which can be weaponized or simply used as a mutation accelerant. But in the end Scott thought it would be ironic if David was the one who created the xenomorphes, and we know how thta turned out. Nice video, but you're making a big deal of something already suggested in the film. I would've loved to see your take on Pandorum, not enough videos about such an underrated gem. Thanx!!!
Ridley Scott.. had his limited he made alot of moive on what is a good idea but it don't mean it would be 100% good.. alot of time.. he would work in it until time run out and he just do with that story no matter how much plot hole there are... nothing new for him...
The goo is a weapon... The movie itself says it is and is the whole reason the ship had to be stopped from reaching earth. And Prometheus is an alien origin story. The aliens just change depending on the species they sprout from. Doesn't have the classic xenomorphs we usually see but it is implied that they are from the black goo.
There is actually a deleted scene of the engineer saying he is going to destroy humanity because we didn't follow the rules/ way of life that they taught us.
I read an article not long ago, a deleted scene of sorts. The engineers hated us because they sent an emissary to Earth once it was seeded and life developed to 'teach' us how to live, and humans, in all their infinite glory, crucified him.
I just stumbled across your channel two years after you made this video Sir, and I love/like videos that makes me think, and the theories you put forth sound plausible and made me think, and now I need to go back and watch the Alien trilogy, as well as the Prometheus movies. Again my thanks Sir
I completely agree with you, I loved Prometheus and was really looking forward to the trilogy after seeing it. It dealt with interesting questions like origins of humanity and wasn’t your straightforward SF horror most people were expecting having alien movies in mind. Ridley Scott was probably unhappy about the large amount of unfair criticism Prometheus received and Covenant was his way of giving middle finger and basically saying "okay, you dont want to see me try something new, creative and diferrent, here is the most bland, generic movie ever". Thats why he destroyed the whole Prometheus story in covenant and killed main protagonist off screen. Now, unfortunately, people like you and me will never see what story the maestro himself, original creator od Alien franchise, wanted to tell and all we’ll get are those silly generic avp type movies that get released simply to earn some money off of famous franchise name
I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes prometheus and wishes the engineers could be explored more. If I had it my way, I’d want them to world build more by maybe including the predators or whatever other races exist. I feel like it would be cool to find out there are connections but without over explaining to keep some mystery. Maybe they could follow a similar story from marvel comics where there’s the eternals, deviants, and humans who were all created by the celestials. The engineers could be the eternals and the predators could be the deviants. The only information a trilogy of movies would uncover would be that there are those other 2 races with some connection and them plus us were created by something and there were conflicts. I feel that would maintain mystery while still having a sense of story and universe
I could be that what the engineers were running from was the airborne goo which is why we never saw something chasing them and why one just dropped dead. The goo itself is sure an engine for evolution, but I think that the goo used to create humanity and the goo they find aren't the same version. And that the engineers use genetic information from other species to test better versions of themselves, and that the goo the found was made using alien dna, which is why we see worms turn into face hugger snakes, amount other xenomorph like life cycle phase creatures after the goo is introduced to life. And that the second ship David stool from the other lab was housing a different genetic source goo, which would exaplin that goos different interaction in covenent, its possible the goo they found in promtheus was a failed batch which is why they were trying to run or that it expired overtime and that the goo they encounter on arrival didn't do the same as the goo did when it was first manufactured.
I personally thought Prometheus was fantastic as the begining of something new. It set the stage for a huge universe full of all sorts of unknowns, which included but wasn't limited to the xenos. It showed there was a grand universe full of many great and terrifying things, and painted humanity as unimportant and small in the face of these things. It opened doors for possibilities beyond our own comprehension where we would be simple observes of happenings well above our ability to effect or control. Not only did the universe NOT revolve around mankind, but we were just forgotten/failed experiments left alone on our little mudball petri dish sitting in some backwater part of the universe. Then comes Covenant (which fwiw I liked, for what it was), which slams all of those doors to larger events, unknowns, and mysteries. It shrunk the universe to even smaller limits than they started with in Alien. At least in Alien, we are given the impression that there are things in the universe well beyond our understanding and that humanity may not be the be-all end-all. With Covenant, yes the Engineers are still a thing I guess, but they're painted as more of an extinct predecessor of sorts to humanity. Suddenly, humanity is at the forefront of everything and the universe becomes smaller again for it. We were created by the engineers who we apparently superceded and replaces. We created AI. The AI we created then creates the xenos, using our DNA as a catalsyst. Everything revolves around humanity at this point. For me it takes the wonder and mystery of a universe we can't comprehend, and goes back to just another man creates his own downfall trope. Not a bad trope I suppose, but definitely not what I imagine most folks thought of (certainly not what I thought of) before these prequels when they thought about the Alien series.
Shaws body recieved and maintained her good infection during a pregnancy and after the trauma of "birth." In that capacity it healed her rapidly and aided in her survival. I think it's the most awesome schmoo, it's what yoi or your injector needs at the time and in absence of trauma or project, it evolves the host.
The problem with Alien Covenant was that it wasn't supposed to be what it was. All the backlash that he got from Prometheus made him change the 2nd movie unfortunately.
I completely agree with you that Prometheus is a good movie! There is so much more to it than most realise! The opening scene is criticised by a lot of people (tell me you don't understand the scene, without telling me you don't understand the scene), but as far as I'm concerned, it's outstanding! The atmosphere created is one of, if not the best of any movie! I don't like covenant, not just because there are so many mistakes, but mainly because it could, and should have, been so much better!
Yeah, if you ignore all the holes in their chests and heads, those engineers had no wounds at all. I like the idea that there's no malicious intent, and alternative ideas for the purpose of the black goo. What I think really supports that idea is that the room those urns are in is obviously of some sort of religious significance, what with the altar, murals, sculptures, etc. However, regardless of whether or not you assess the intent of the engineers as malicious or not, what the goo DOES, which you seem to be really confused about, is turn things into aliens. That thing inside Shaw wasn't a hyper-evolved human, it was a god damned facehugger with acid blood that implanted an alien in that engineer. Maybe that's "progress" from a certain viewpoint, but for the protagonists of any given alien movie, *it creates bloodthirsty rape monsters*, so, yeah, it's a damn weapon. As for the intentions of the engineers and their journey to Earth and all that, it doesn't really matter. At the point where that engineer wakes up, WE KNOW what the goo is, it creates aliens, it is alien goo, it makes things into killers that kill things and make more killing killers that kill and rape to make more killing raping rape killers. Yeah? So who the fuck cares where they're TAKING the goo, they shouldn't be taking it fucking *anywhere*. At that point in the film the goals of the engineers and humans are directly in conflict regardless of any potential past between them, although it's pretty damn interesting that the engineer barely seems phased by the presence of a bunch of weird aliens that look kinda like him, isn't it? Almost like he's already intimately familiar with and not really terribly surprised with the possibility of their presence? I really want these last two alien movies to be good and make sense and have answers. But they don't, because they were directed by a drunken idiot creationist with dementia and a robot fetish. Movies that make you ask questions that linger in your mind are a good thing, but that is NOT the same as movies that make no sense because the people behind them have no fucking idea what the hell they're doing. Prometheus is hot garbage. My interest in coming up with explanations for what the hell is happening is transparently an act of apologizing for one of my most beloved monsters going on a bender and embarrassing themselves to the whole world. The hard truth about Prometheus and Covenant is that there ARE no answers, there IS no reasonable explanation, they are inconsistent with the rest of the franchise, with each other, and even with themselves. The only real way to retroactively make sense out of this trash is just that, retroactive re-interpretation, which is why I watched this video in the first place, because literally anyone could come up with a better, more consistent explanation for the events in these movies. But holy shit, they are garbage, and you really shouldn't be throwing shade on people who hate Prometheus because they followed the directly stated and intended plot of the film when you apparently never noticed that the dead engineers had fucking chestburster exit wounds.
At 3:19, the liquid falling from her doesn't look like sweat, it looks like her hair is just wet. I don't care how hard you've been working out, sweat is not gonna be falling off you like a faucet. Lol
its liquid from the cryosleep pod,check the 1st scene with the crew,when they all wake up,Shaw is throwing up,Holloway is laughing,and they all leak with David putting towels on them. In thise pods they are in some liquid...
The reason I didn't like Prometheus isn't because I don't like to think, it's because when I did think about the character's motivations, the reasoning of the characters conclusions, etc - it didn't make sense. This film was poorly written, and had many logical contradictions or just nonsensical plot elements that simply didn't make any sense. Prometheus is only a movie you can enjoy if you DO NOT think about it. That was its failure and why it is largely forgotten. Remember Memento? If you've seen it you probably do, because that movie really made you think, and it may only have a single small plothole. What a great film that was.
A few months ago I've watched some videos that explained the lore based on the leaks of the screenplay. It contains translation of alien text and speech that reveals key stuff about the lore. I don't remember everything and I can't find the exact video at the moment. Still some key points were that engineers were sterile, they could not reproduce and they have created the black goo as a way to seed new life. That's what we see at the start of "Prometheus". It is indeed gene modification tool. I personally think that the Engineers are remnants of another dead civilization. They were an advanced form of robots, superior in every aspect, almost immortal, but sterile.
I feel that alien covenant is just ridley just tried to do everything the people where yelling to him about prometheus. But i think the biggest issue is that they mentioned that it was a prequel to alien. Which they should have never done, and instead just have it be a part of the universe
Prometheus was an excellent film, as you say "as the first part of a trilogy". I thought the black goo was fairly obvious from the first scene where the engineer's blood spawns life on earth, not to mention the evolution of creatures to Xenomorph throughout the film. I was sooooo looking forward to the next movie introducing the Engineers! Thanks to a bunch of 'so called' fans complaining, Alien covenant was a total bust! So disappointing... Your assessment is 100% spot on bro!
That's so true! Prometheus was fantastic, setting up an incredible new story... Then, fans fucked it up. There you have it, Covenant! Congrats. I love Alien, but man, Prometheus was a new thing, that seemed to go on a really cool direction. It was so fresh, so unique. I'd love to see were it was supposed to go, without no Alien Covenant. But well, guess that went down the hole..
I think the reason why people didn't like the movie isn't that it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore. It's that no one wanted an origin story to the xenomorphs because the mystery is more terrifying than the "truth." And...also...because it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
There is lost dialogue in the script that references to a star child (jesus) who was supposed to put us back on track. But in the end, than it kinda explains how dangerous it is to bioengineering weapons, like... a virus... Hint, covid.
in prometheus the map guy got lost cos the map guy needed maps thats why hes a map guy no sense of direction, the animal expert reaches out to touch dangerous alien because he's an animal guy he loves animals, strangely the most logical things for their characters to do but at the same type the stupidest possible decisions
I agree with the whole Deacon bit. A ' typical ' facehugger impregnates it's host, then comes the chestburster. The resulting chestburster / Xenomorph depends on the host's DNA (Dog, Human, Engineer). But I also believe it depends on the type of Goo, and the " hugger " stage. And possibly Queen to egg. Shaw flips / bypasses all of this buy becoming pregnant, giving birth to the octopushugger. Then it ingests the engineers face, leaving it's embryo. So the Deacon maybe one way, and a typical facehugger would create a whole different result. I also think it depends on the goo. We're led to believe the jars are like the eggs, and the trilobites are the resulting facehuggers. However the eggs in Alien created a different Human - Xenomorph than what we see in Aliens. Also, in Alien we dint see a queen alien laying the eggs, they're just all around like the jars (possible evolution of the jars?) but we do see an engineer having its chest burst outward. This either is a third engineer - alien species (due to a different goo, evolved goo eggs), result of a trilobite impregnating an engineer, or even something else entirely. Or maybe something similar happened, a trilobite impregnated the engineer, resulting in a queen alien, that laid eggs (tho regular facehuggers appear, the Queens we see are the results of human hosts, we're led to believe that the host determines the look of the resulting Xenomorph. But we're also led to believe the typical Xenomorph is the same as the human hosted ones) and thus Alien picks-up. This can explain why the human Xenomorph here is different from that of those seen in Aliens and so on and so forth (maybe the facehuggers we see are all typical no matter the hosted queen, but depends on the goo too). Shaw acts as a queen Xenomorph, and her offspring impregnates an engineer creating the deacon. Well these are at least my theories / things I can only explain / skepticize about with all the information.
In terms of SciFi movies leaving questions for the viewer, the video mentions, Inception, Blade Runner, The Thing as examples, and compares Prometheus to these movies. What is important is that each of these movies establishes an internally consistent lore, and set up the uncertainty within that lore. Consider that all three of these movies are nearly universally loved by fans, and the remaining unanswered questions are the key hooks contributing to these movies continued popularity and relevance over time. Therefore, the dissatisfaction with Prometheus cannot be simply dismissed by supposing the audience doesn't like to think. On the contrary, fans of this type of movie are the very fans most likely to be more engaged as the movie provokes deeper thinking. Prometheus was simply unsatisfying on its own merits. Flat charcters. Too many internal inconsistencies, "stupid decisions," and confusion about what story it even wanted to tell; what movie it wanted to be. If I may be so bold, it was actually in the end too similar to the Alien movies; it devolved too quickly from a movie about cosmic exploration and discovery into a rather generic (by late 2010's) horror movie. Instead of establishing an internally consitant lore, Prometheus kind of hints at it in a generally unsatisfying way, with flat characters making inconsistent decisions and then everybody dies. (I recognize there seems to be an artistic choice made to leave the audience in the dark about critical information just as the characters would be in such situation. Unfortunately the end result of this cinematically is an unsatisfying movie.) The ending in my opinion was not a good set up for a trilogy. Nearly all the characters died (even if flat here the rest of the supposed trilogy needs something to work with and perhaps character growth would come in later movies), leaving only Shaw & David. Star Wars (the most successful SciFi movie trilogy of all time) ended with a mix of tragedy (death of Obi-Wan), growth for the main character, and a victory. At the same time, the introduction of the Engineers as essentially tall, pale humans took a lot of the "Cosmic Horror" out of the franchise and the black goo. Frankly, identifying the goo as an evolutionary agent isn't a new insight and moreover doesn't change much as it would still be a deadly weapon against an unprepared humanity. It could have been so much more. The one unanswered question for me is the background and purpose of the Xenomorth/Deacon mural. Obviously a religious connotation but difficult to see what an advanced spacefaring race would get religious wise out of a by a genetic product of an evolutionary accelerant. I mean, I get the "ultimate life form" angle but one would typically want God to speak back... Not implant you with larva that will eat your insides and burst through your body...
I think we have the daughter acting robotic was supposed to be to compare and contrast with David, the actual robot Weyland regarded as a son. Note that shot of her when he said so in the recording. Yeah, it's a little silly for people to ask if she's a robot, but given the directionless nature of the movie it's natural people start asking the wrong questions. More than anything, I think what hampered the new movies more than anything was somebody with a great deal of creative control was obviously enamored with the David character.
Masterpiece of sci-fi horror action movie. I'm big fan of sci-fi movies when they are good made, I was so surprised by this underrated movie from 2009 it's very clever very claustrophobic filled with emojis to horror movies like The Shining, Aliens and Alien with excellent cinematography and very good practical effects and great CGI with some great ideas about humanity and at the end of our Civilization and our reaction to the apocalypse. Ben Forster was as always very charismatic and very good, Dennis Quaid was great in his role with a great supporting characters. Don't listen to the critics and their opinions I highly suggest you give it I watch it's very underrated and I highly recommend it to you.
Rewatching this and I do like the idea that the goo they found was like bad batches or weapons or waste. Then leave it to a messed up android and idiots with degrees come along and fk it all up. And would lead to the awoken Engineer to attack as well. He wakes up to some aliens digging around in a place where nothing should leave, be removed, touched, etc so he goes in on them. Turns out it's more misunderstanding on the parts of humans and android that ruins everything.
Doesn’t explain the difference between the two types of engineers that we encounter. Exoskeleton military armor and engineer without it. It’s many things. Accelerated life, accelerated weapons, accelerated anything they want it to be is the goo. Just how we use many resources for many things the black goo is no different great video welcome back bruv!
Lauren Anderson you really nailed it. I was hoping like yourself for so much more and instead got another standard film that ruined so much of the lore. Well said.
Prometheus was an issue with editing. They edited out all the information that better asked questions. There is a fan edit that adds all the cut scenes and those promotion videos back in. Also, the conversation between the engineer and david, the engineer fight with shaw. it adds so much more to the film and help added a lot to the film.
right now they show that they had the same as ours... but enginer is the more advance...cleary they gave up try to made more since whatever they do.. it will never be good enough..
Don't really agree about it being as highly rated as you do. It's my third favorite in the Alien franchise but that just means I think it's better than others. Each their own though, I respect your opinion. It had mystery and potential. However there are a lot of scenes where like Covenant, the crew act completely stupid. That biologist and the space cobra is gotta be the best example but there's more. The stupidity is far worse in Covenant though. Having said that, I kinda want to see that scene redone where they give the Engineer time to go take an Austin Powers long piss and get some coffee.
The engineers that were piled up all had wounds like burst ribs and one of the lost characters say that, as like in the original alien, that it looks like it was burst open from inside. Also a deleted scene shows these characters finding shed skin like in alien. One other thing when you see the running engineers before you see them you hear the same sound as the decon made from the end scene. Also I think the black goo is a copy of the stuff you see an Engineer drink at the beginning thats why they were making it on that planet and not their home planet.
excellent interpretation. and i know this is late, but the impression i was getting is that the goo is an extremely concentrated fluid. it's sorta like concentrated orange juice, you gotta dilute it in water for it to be drinkable. so if humans and engineers have the same dna, a human may be a diluted form of an engineer. or, conversely, an engineer is a natural superhuman. the objective of the engineer may have been to travel to earth to accelerate, or even transform, life on earth to be more like the engineers, after having seeded earth in the beginning of the movie. perhaps by dropping the canisters into the ocean the farthest from human populations. why the goo had plain destroyed the engineer population instead of transforming it as it does the humans is because the ship's entire payload is being dropped in one local area, utterly overwhelming life in that area. each example of a human being affected by the goo is of a fraction of what is contained in one canister. shaw is least affected because she had received it third hand, potentially in the parts-per-million, after charlie's body had long since digested a droplet. either by being affected by it as to alter his sperm within a few hours, or tainting his sperm after urination. it was never meant to be contacted in such a form. it's a terraforming agent, as you say.
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I saw Prometheus 3D in 2012 in an upscale theater in the Middle East and it was visually stunning, maybe the most beautiful film I’ve ever watched. I’ve never understood all the hate towards it.
..."Prometheus was a perfect intro movie to a trilogy and it's honestly one of the best sci-fi movies ever made." you lost a lot of people's intentions to contemplate your opinions and theories with this statement.
I agree. Prometheus was a fantastic sci-fi film and story. Visually it was amazing and the story kept me guessing and asking questions years after watching it. I wish it would have been a trilogy about the engineers because they're the most interesting Alien I've seen in decades. The xenomorphs to me will always be cool but getting teased with the engineers was a bummer to not learn and see more of them. Good video man.
Excellent video. Not surprised no one else has brought up any of these points. They’re not obvious, but they make sense. Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain everything.
An interesting point about the 3-D hologram display of Earth sequence: it was part of a navigation protocol. You can point and click on a 2D map, indicating that's where you want to set course; in a 3-D display, just popping it from its location could just be a short-cut to doing the same thing.
i still think that black goo is a weapon though, given how unpredictable and or unstable the endresult seems to be instead of killing the victims that goo's weaponized purpose in my opinion is to inflict terror into the targets since the result seems always random and witht aht short incubation time you can't trust anyone isn't infected so it would make an exellent moral destroyer in entrenched situations f.e. come to think of it that black goo stuff seems to have similar properties to the genesis devise from that star trek movie since it also created new life and or altered existing stuff (microbes in or on that casket) on top of reanimating the dead body of spock the deacon was fine imo, i have more issue with the discrepancies between the jockey and the engineers, the jockey's fossil was larger, i mean as kane and company did them preliminary research it looked to me that the length of the jockey's arm was as big as kane etc so the engineers are basicly to small what bugs me more is that starchart thingie, unless we take creationism into account there is no way shaw and collegues could have found the right constallation in their lifetime if we either take the roughtly 200.000years evolution of man into account or the and that is where i lean into more the overall timespan earth is bearing life since the opening shots of prometheus show liquid water flowing in rivers and stuff but little to none vegetation or other signs of life, so the engineer who drank from the chalice seeded life on earth which in return would mean that that starchart shaw found was coincidental to that alien hideout since even in 200.000 years there is plenty of time that stuff happens that would alter lv233 and or its host system, not to mention that the engineers had vast energy resources at their disposal to make the 36lightyear trip to earth aswell as the humans so the possibility that someone could have blown up the celestial bodies in the time life evolved on earth and stuff is a real thread granted we don't know anything of engineer culture or possible other alien life that exists in that particular universe, i mean there are the yauta aka predators as possible galactic neighbor or any other hightech alien species who essentially can utilize vast amounts of energy on a whim and stuff that the deacon at the end was shoehorned into the movie i think was a mistake and that movie would have worked without it just fine or even better if i keep in mind that Scott was originally planning on creating a movie with some "alien dna" meaning that it would not be directly integrated into the setablished timeline of the first 3 movies (i personally see alien ressurrection not canon, aswell the prometheus cycle or the avp stuff), more akin of a parallel universe but i liked the incorperation of Gigers art
Good science fiction has an underlying logic to it, even if you don't initially know what it is or if it's never clearly spelled-out. The Alien life cycle is a bit stupid, but not totally illogical. Prometheus seemed obsessed with creating a life cycle that's too convoluted to follow and seemed to serve only to create random threats. That on it's own wouldn't be bad, except for the fact that the CHARACTERS also act in ways that make no sense, like Weyland pretending to be dead simply for the sake of a twist of revealing that he was alive. When everything is random it fails as sci-fi. When people do random things and there's no way of foreseeing what happens next, it's not suspenseful like a horror movie should be (Hitchcock's bomb analogy) and it fails as a mystery when you have to rely on endless speculation about endless questions simply for their own sake, with no reason to care other than a previously established attachment to the franchise. ruclips.net/video/-x1YuvUQFJ0/видео.html
Prometheus was a brilliant film that should have expanded the aliens universe and allowed for so much more content for the fans. Sadly, the dumb ass folks who for some reason desperately wanted yet another film featuring an inept group of space faring humans being systematically eliminated by a xenomorph that's eventually killed by the last women on the ship by either sheer luck a convient air lock.
The screenplay goes into this with much more detail; the Engineers were hyper-evolved and basically lost the ability to procreate. One of their kind unexpectedly 'spawned' a deacon-like being and became revered as a savior to the species. Its (golden) blood was seen at the beginning of the film, in the ritual sacrifice that seeded DNA on the Iceland planet. Eventually the Engineers were forced to synthesize its blood, which was the black goo we see in the Big Head chamber that had the Deacon mural, and with which they perpetuated their lineage by glomming onto other living beings. Ridley Scott went into further, even more insane, detail, saying that *Jesus* was an Engineer emissary (seriously) and because we crucified him, the Engineers we see in the film decided we needed to be 'cleansed' in their saviour's blood. Hence why they were heading to Earth with those vials and why "2000 years ago" was so conspicuously mentioned in the movie (along with Shaw's prominent Christianity & symbolisms). I'm not saying that's BETTER than what we got, but it goes a long way to tying it all together relatively coherently...
Vickers wasnt sweating from pushups she was only doing push ups to get her heart pumping blood back to her extremeties after being in stasis for the voyage and that was amniotic fluid not sweat
I actouly liked Prometheus. Its up there as one of my favorites for Syfy-Horror. Why do the engineers wanna kill us?: because the human species is a parasite for planets? Yup I was wrong lol. Yeah I think it went to the control panel because it was the selected planet.
You convinced me: there was more to Prometheus than I credited. But! What was up with the biologist sticking his face right into the space python? That scene more than any other made me believe I was watching an unserious attempt at a movie. Great video essay!
I think it can be used as a weapon but is really a tool to aid creation. I think the Engineers tried to kill them because their experiment (us). Was creating our own life (David). Which was never the intention or maybe he was trying to save us from making the same mistakes they made. Fantastic thinking points man!
Stop with the "supposed to ask yourself questions" excuse. You ask questions alongside provided nuggets of information. Thus having a lead as to which questions should be asked. The movie still has to have a goal. You discuss themes presented in an elaborate way so you can put them in context with your current lifestyle and social environment. But Prometheus hid that information intentionally while focusing on irrelevant things like 3 different mutation results. It did not elaborate engineer society instead it presented idiot scientists alongside human assumptions without searching for evidence instead just believing. That contradicted the science plot. It had no obvious narrative goal. You did not know which question you should ask yourself. The most interesting things like the mural and the big heads should have been explored. Shaw's motivation should have been explored but instead was ignored in favor of retardedly acting scientists. So for all that is dear to you STOP making excuses. This movie is probably the best looking sci-fi movie existing but the narrative thread is simply not existing. If Scott had done an extended cut with all deleted scenes in it the movie had that narrative thread. It had been a mediocre execution, but well rounded nontheless. The movie failed because it ultimately was linked to a big budget B movie and tried to mystify the very simple premise of hostile monsters killing people. It should have explored religion, science, creation and the ethics behind it. A story as old as humans but with that personal take of Scott. Instead it had no goal post. So the smallest denominator were the mutations. And even they did not follow any obvious rules so what were we supposed to discuss alongside those creatures?
Interesting theory. I always assumed the engineer loses his shit because humans weren't supposed to get that far. Like we're the experimental lab rats that got out of our cage and began munching on power cables.
My theory is that humans were just an ingredient in a bigger recipe. The black goo was supposed to move us on to the next stage of a controlled evolutionary path, however a spanner was thrown in the works when the engineers had an outbreak aboard their ship and the mission to add the next ingredient failed. This gave humanity the time it needed to discover space travel, making us not only a failed experiment but also a potential threat.
The reason the engineer shit the bed when he saw David is because David was confirmation of his impending demise. Think about it. The lab rats had not only escaped confinement and begun to self actualise, but they were now capable of building superior versions of themselves. Not only is it an affront to "god" and his monopoly on creation, but it is a direct and serious threat to his superiority.
Humans no longer needed god. God was obsolete. Furthermore god was now under threat of extinction.
It's the next level up from the "man's creation being his undoing" trope. Usually it is artificial intelligence or an engineered virus killing humans off. This time humans were the engineered virus. The moment man became self aware and independent was the beginning of the end for the Engineers, and the big guy knew it.
I agree that Prometheus gets far too much hate. It's not a fantastic movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it's good enough.
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But just waking up from a long sleep his first thought probably wasn't... oh shit its a failed experiment! When you first wake up after a bad night it takes a minute for you to remember what happened you know? Especially if you just get woken up out of nowhere on some random bs from some little people that look just as confused as you do
The black goo is the last remnants of their progenitors blood/dna, they have seeded planets in attempts to rekindle his/its species, their 'God' was the last of his kind and they've been trying to bring it back.
The humans didn't build a superior version of themselves.. they built their replacement that wasn't even human, it was a machine with a human face... If they had built a superior version of themselves they would have gone down the genetic alteration and recombination path... which is what the engineers had done...Wtf are you talking about?
@Compassionate Predator I kinda doubt that. A species that is able to traverse the stars and is as advanced in genetic manipulation to create the black goo as an evolutionary accelerant strikes me as the type that doesn't make things for no reason.
That's a very human sentiment derived out of boredom immaturity and lacking any true species wide purpose. The only thing humans consistently do right is fuck up the areas they inhabit at the expense of almost everything else around them.
Considering that they had developed an accelerant and had made and seeded humans on an engineered planet they may have been testing how this batch and that batch of humans developed to select the ones that would have been given the accelerant for further rapid advancement. However what the criteria for said advancement might be idk.
A humanoid race like the engineers probably think along the time spans of millions of years, as that's the necessary kind of thinking required for the study of biological evolution unassisted.
The deleted (unfilmed?) scene that was in the script clearly states the engineer they woke up says humans have failed, they took a man and educated him (referring to Jesus) and he was hung from a cross for it. They value self sacrifice for a cause and having an android (an insult) before him asking for more life (an insult) made him angry and he started killing.
Effects of the black goo were inconsistent though.
Also, black goo, even if not meant to be a weapon, it certainly could be. Fertilizer, cars, screwdrivers, power drills, kitchen knives, all meant for something else but fighting/defense/killing but they certainly can be. Black goo can be multipurpose as well.
There is in RUclips that deleted scene (they filmed it)
What is called that clip ? And can goo be lubricant ? :)
Facts
I was thinking the same thing about the goo all the way through this video. It was like we were being forced to think of it as a weapon so dude can make a point. Another great syfy film, Arrival, debates if something means weapon or tool. This is so common with many tools and that is exactly what the movie showed us, it was a tool that could be used in many ways. Not sure I agree it is some evolution drug, at least not in the sense in makes it's host better. It does seem to rapidly change DNA based on the subject it interacts with, with violent reactions. As an origin Alien story it makes sense as aliens take on parts of the subject they interact with, very rapidly as well. Yet 1+1 always equals 3 with these videos.
Oh and not sure if this was fan theory or confirmed by Ridley. The engineers lost the ability to procreate through cloning I believe, the worship of the deacon and the goo are their success in trying to remedy that problem.
As Ridley Scott has created his own filmverse + I think he deservers a bit more respect, as well as people in general. Sure some do like it simple, but we wouldn't have the massive library of syfy movies that make you think if most just liked it simple. Guess that's antilogic for ya
@@norischuk You mean Goo-bricant? ;)
I went into Prometheus knowing literally nothing about it. I was very surprised to see it was an Alien origin. The big reveal was an awesome moment going in blind.
Enjoy, Prometheus and Covenant are genius only movies
Same I saw the trailer and went in completely blind. I had no idea it had anything to do with the alien universe. It was satisfying AF
Same!
@Mayassocalledlife I was literally scrolling through movies and just clicked it
@Mayassocalledlife yeah that's a popular opinion amongst not genius, they also think david survived at the end
Pandorum is so underappreciated
My problem with prometheus: its effectively a movie about a bunch of smart people making the dumbest decisions at every turn
Agreed
EXACTLY!!!! Like a very smart, very rich woman running from a gigantic rolling spaceship that reminded me of a Woody Woodpecker cartoon when the character runs from a falling tree in a straight line instead of just SIDE-STEPPING it!
the script till his daughter heir the dumb sciences to make her dad loss
@@rebeccajones4617 What?
@@samuelfortin8103 hire not heir my sorry
The written script actually dispels all your theories about the Engineers possibly not wanting to kill us. They did. We were a failure. We didn't live up to their expectations.
FACTS. This whole vid is false if you have the scripts or listen to ridley commentary after the film came out. The goo was a reforming weapon. They wanted to kill humans because we killed the engineer that they sent to help us, it was suppose to be jesus but the studio made ridley change it.
Watch the whole video instead of talking
if that's really Ridley Scott's purpose for the black goo then he has his head up his butt...... that blackgod Monument clearly looks like a uterus meaning using they were using it be able to continue procreating and the only means they had was that goo how it could have been a one tool they use for pretty much everything....... there were a lot of good elements that can make a great story but Ridley Scott had his head up his butt and wasn't being coherent
@@chiefline7084 EXACTLY my friend...
@@winstonwolfwhiteshoes wow my guy you definitely put me on. I thought I knew all the Alien lore. They should run it back. Franchises like Aliens never dies. Unless a Jeepers Creepers director touches it. 🤣👊🏾
I liked xenomorphs when they were essentially interstellar cockroaches
I keep thinking about AVP when the predators use a shoulder cannon to wipe out xenos like nothin lol
You mustn't be afraid to dream a bit bigger, darling.
@@WTAWWR08 if the unmitigated dumpster fire of Covenant is "dreaming bigger" then keeping things simple is the best path
Exactly! They are a creepy, dangerous space-bug that are terrifying to encounter. The best alien movies didn't care at all where they came from or how they came into existence. We don't need to know that, to have a good story. When you're surrounded by wolves, you really don't care about all the little evolutionary conditions that caused them to have sharp teeth, powerful jaws, the ability to run fast, the ability to work in a team. None of that mattes when your story is about not getting killed by wolves!
@@calvinthebold99 your one of those, big explosions make a story with no plot ok.
Just so you know two things can have the exact same DNA and have very very different appearances. There is a phenomenon called Epi-genetics where the environment can alter what phenotypes get expressed in the genome. I would argue that the goo controls gene expression rather than rewrite the genetic blueprint.
it call evolution.. it when thing mutated and the mutation benefit the enviroment that why it go to contime to the next gen... while some disvantage don't cause enough to get rip off so it still going.. your tailbone or our badly desgin body... still exisit..
@@campkira I like to think the tailbone is slowly evolving me into a mermaid
If anyone's curious It's actually been established as to what the black liquid is. It's artificial Deacon blood. The engineers came across a creature much like a facehugger long ago, it impregnated one of them and the creature that was born from the engineer was called a deacon, and they worshiped it like a god, you can actually see it in some of the hieroglyphics in the movie. It looked much like the creature that came out of the engineer at the end of the movie. The creatures blood had a very specific property, when one of the engineers drank it, it allowed for their DNA to sead a planet with life forms similar to them. What you see the engineer drinking at the beginning of the movie was the last bit of Deacon blood that the engineers had left. The original Deacon had died long ago and they were attempting to recreate its blood to continue seading life on other planets. The planet that you see in the second movie with engineer like beings was another planet that they had seeded.
That's actually a really good explanation of that
And that's how we got the Xenomorph. Explained in the game Alien: Fireteam that came out a few weeks ago.
What I loved the most about Prometheus was the question at the end was do you really want to meet our maker what if they don’t like us? What makes the movie even more interesting is David knows his maker and he clearly hates them. Such a cool dynamic and thought provoker.
Right. How was David smarter than his upgrade model in Alien C
Prometheus was the greatest sci-fi movie ever. I'm so upset that Ridley backpedaled and lost confidence in his original idea
The crew thinking Vickers was an android was simply a jest. B/c she rarely showed emotion and was so cold and …droid like. I don’t think they ACTUALLY thought Vickers was a robot.
Brotha correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the engineers that were running in the hologram have their insides expanded outwards as if something dug or shot out of them? Like a small creature exploded out of their abdomen
They definitely did. The two stragglers that discovered that pile of bodies said it looks like something burst its way out of their chests
Also at the start of hologram there's creatures scream
The mystery of the three sea shells has haunted me since the day demolition man was released.
It was the very first movie I ever went to by myself as a kid and absolutely blew me away, and I STILL manage to watch it a couple of times a year lol.
Those are buttons for a bidet, japan has something like that in their talking toilers
Half of what he said a mystery is not a mystery anymore
The Black Goo Explained: So one night, Ridley Scott was up late and watched the X-FILES movie and thought "No one will remember this...."
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No one will know....how will they know?
Haha exactly. The black goo mystery is nothing new or original. Ridley has clearly lost his ability to make good movies and should have handed the story off to someone more competent.
@@awesward4454 its a masterpiece/classic
Well if u wana go there even spongebob has a black goo concept, and lady gagas Fame video, and helix etc, maybe Illuminati elites are telling us something about whats coming
Me personally I think that prometheus is a lot of wasted potential with an aftertaste of compromise.
Me too , it had so much promise
And then well fkn nothing
It was the same with the platform
Just some huh ?ending
@@howmuchbeforechamp yeah personally I'm getting kind of sick of the extremely preachy movies that keep coming out now. Since they all boil down to the same few messages over and over. "The rich man bad" and "the mundane life is so soul crushing" are the ones that irritate me the most. It could be the hypocrisy of it but I'm not entirely sure.
It almost feels like somebody had a great script.......then somebody else changed it
it happen due to they got to production before they finalized the moive.. they just want to expand the idea of this big being... we know from og moive that it is alive... due to the hole in the chest...
I could be totally wrong but here's my 2 cents. I don't think that the black goo is an evolutionary accelerant but maybe something that causes mutations or a bad batch of some other experiment. The opening scene shows us an engineer drinking what seems to be the black goo which breaks down his body which in turn is the seeding of human life on earth. The room with all the black goo vases have depictions of the Xenomorph most likely as a warning like our biohazard symbol. That ship was parked on a deserted planet to contain the hazardous material, kinda like what we would do with radioactive waste. Maybe the engineer killed everyone because he knew they didn't understand the purpose of the facility and rather than explain and run the risk of an outbreak, it was more prudent to eliminate potential hosts.
Bruh, you be REACHING on these concepts.... And I love every second of it 🤣🤣.
Don't he tho lol
There's a problem with your theory that happens in the beginning of the movie: the engineer drink some of the black goo and you see his body decompose and fall apart as it falls into the water and his genetic material is being used to accelerate the DNA of life forms in the water. So while it may be an evolutionary accelerator, it also has the potential to be a bio weapon
The dead fish popping out is a perfect metaphor for Prometheus as a movie.
There are explanations from Ridley Scott about this stuff. Black goo is what is replicated based off of the original genetic material from an unknown alien the engineers encountered millennia ago. Engineers are immortal, genetically modified, but sterile and their species is slowly but surely fading away. When one of them was infected by the parasite, it produced an offspring and they revered it as holy, seeing as how their species was sterile. They used its genetic material, refined as a mutation accelerant, to seed life on barren worlds. You seem them do this on earth with the original material in the opening sequence.
The black goo is the weaponized form of what they replicated from the original alien genetic material. To get philosophical, it’s essentially a distillation of all the facets of organic life and evolution which embody violence. It’s a weapon that turns into whatever it needs in the moment to transmit itself to organic hosts, and propagate to kill in a cycle. The fact that it always takes a similar form, with a similar modus operandi is the real philosophical mind fuck if you ask me.
It says a lot about life, death, violence, birth, physical contact, procreation, intimacy vs fear...the disturbing, uncaring way it all tangles together.
It’s a bleak af way to ponder the idea that no matter how far humans rise, we cannot escape the clawing animal instincts that shaped us, and how those primal motivations are both our birth cry and death knell.
It's a shame I'm just now finding your channel but I'm glad I did. This is only the 3rd video I've watched so far and I'm hooked. You had me look at fight club a completely different way and it was obvious after you explained it. I like your attention to detail and how in depth you get. It's about time there's something with some intellect making videos instead of most of the useless garbage on here. So thank you man its nice getting a break in the day and watching something I enjoy. Life has sucked for everyone the last few years so anytime someone can spread some happiness i think that's a genuine gift.
Same for me. Started with Fight Club, which was brilliant. The best theory I've ever seen on it and now I'm going down the rabbit hole of his videos.
Dallas said it appeared to grow out of the Chair. He meant that the Jockey was a part of the ship. That was the cosmic horror of Giger bio and electromechanical hybrid creatures.Imagine how more terrifyingly awesome if they showed the real beings from The Derelict?
He says that right after the line "It's been dead a long time... fossilized..." I don't think he meant it always part of the chair, I think that line was emphasize the point that it has been there for tens of thousands of years at least, if not longer. Fossils tend to look that way over time.
@@calvinthebold99 I know that, that s what I always thought he meant , apparently Ridley would say otherwise..
What's good Logic? Here comes another great outside the box discussion everybody.
Actually you chosen name alone is a pathetic waste and shows exactly who you are.
By the by, your name is most inaccurate fool boy
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 hey don't be rude to people, that might be a child behind the name you think is silly. Not everyone uses their real full name like I do for their email address... Tons of people get treated poorly IRL every day... Sorry if I offend you, but my own daughter was harassed on and offline. Also, the name is spelled in an odd way but sometimes ya gotta keep changing and tweeking your email address, it's hard to get the name you want. The computer probably gave a few examples of the name wanted then he/she chose whatever example was as close to the name wanted...
@@lesliehardeman6212 funny. But I was pointing specifically at the name itself. Points to that pathetic human thinking only one skin color matters. Ya dumbarse.
Nobody being rude just pointing out hypocrisy and self righteousness that the young are told to think like.
And no sir, that is not an actual kid
@@gameragersboysofcr1624 some white people put white people first so some black people feel the same in America we swear on the bible in court Jewish or not because Christianity is our state religion 😆 the jews are white and they say they are Gods chosen above all races but your checking blacks @freemasons my guy💯
@@samierking2256 nah just laugh at the pitiful self righteousness of most dark skins and the privileges they think they're owed just for the color.
Nonexistent. You work and earn what you get. If one gets mistreated, they more than likely deserve it. Simply that is all
It's amazing that after 8 years, you're the first person I've ever seen bring up any of these points. I've always thought that the brilliance of the "Alien" story (and "Predator" for that matter) was that we could always learn more about them, but never really solve the mystery. Ya know -- like real science. "Covenant" slightly tarnishes that. However, I still like the idea it presents of the human-created android being the most dangerous weapon in existence. Gotta love the ol' A.I. self-awareness dread...
I see what you mean with Covenant "explaining" everything, but I disagree. The Engineer ship found in Alien (1979) has eggs that work real well, and look ancient. There's no way David would have made those. At least, I think he did something similar, but the eggs and goo and chestbursters aren't inventions exclusive to him.
@@zenarion I agree with you -- that's what I'm saying. I don't think David "invented" the xenomorphs either. "Covenant's" plot was just very lazily written. It is hinted at in "Prometheus" that the xenomorphs may have existed before the Engineers. They probably should've went further down that route in "Covenant."
Research BLACK GOO (you know on GOOgle)... the shit is real.
There is no reference to alien in the title and it was Scott and the studio that pushed that connection.
Scott went back and used ideas that weren't used in alien (like the xenomorph mural) and he is the one in numerous interviews that made mention to "alien" DNA and an answer to what the space jockey is. Scott alluded to alien not the audience.
Your analysis relies too much on your subjective opinion.
Prometheus was ruined by rewrite and cash grabs linking it directly to alien.
You're clearly defending a film you like and not looking at it's objective failures.
How does the fifeld and Millburn get lost?
Why does David infect Holloway without studying the black goo first? Surely the plan wasn't, potentially get everyone killed so your owner stays in cryo sleep forever?
Why can the medipod not scan and recognise male and female anatomy?
How can Shaw run and rappell after a cesarean?
What was the relevance of the violin girl hologram?
Why isn't the engineer subtitled? He is in the directors cut.
How did no one know what happened to fifeld and Millburn? There were in contact with the Prometheus the entire time they were in the structure.
You can't blame an audience for it being badly written dishonestly advertised and bland.
If falls far short of creating unanswered questions that are compelling or interesting, like what is the space jockey? how did the eggs get there? what is the alien? Like alien did.
It was a narrative disgrace, didn't know if it wanted to be a high concept scifi about the origin of existence or a creepy horror. It failed at both.
I concur
A truly awful film
Another turd in the franchise
Not different from terminator and predator and other 80s action greats.
All gone
Exactly. I dont recall the audiance stating "this movie will answer your questions"
Love the fact this has everyone talking, but honestly there were many mistakes and misconceptions during the video. Every question you asked has a answer, you just didn't know it. There is the screen play books, interviews, and talks with the creators that answer everyone one of them unfortunately the movie was edited and lost much of the explanation for many things, the fans knew the answers but anyone not deep into the lore and other sources wouldn't know, and that was why si many people didn't understand the movie
I always liked the idea that Vickers was an android that thought she was human, sort of like a control experiment for David, one android aware of what he was, the other believing she was human. And then maybe she's not dead just a bit squashed and laid alone on an alien planet coming to terms with discovering she's not really human...
awesome theory
Thank you, thank you, thank you! You are correct that most movie goers don’t want to use their brains and interpret what they are seeing. Prometheus was great and I agree with most of what you’ve said here.
Smart movie? B.S.
Oh no! We're lost despite having a map! I know, lets get high. Oh look! A hentai monster! Let's pet it! Oh GOD! Its attacking us! I never expected an alien monster to attacj us!
Yup, that's more less how I feel about it too. It had a lot of cool things going for it, looked awesome, great effects, but they act way too stupid to make it a masterpiece. There's some degree of stupid in the first two movies, but not nearly as bad.
Lol
Yep. Great concept and ideas but mediocre execution.
You said it. A bit of stupid is fine. But they overdosed on Prometheus.
Even the tech didn't make sense for the timeline. It's supposed to be set prior to the events of Alien yet we have touch screens and Ted Talks? 🤔🙄.
The Nostromo from Alien and Sulacco from Aliens uses tech that's semi hard wired analogue.
A Dunning-Kruger movie!
I completely agree with your thesis that most people don’t want to have to think when they watch movies, and that’s why we get the same schlock released year after year, sometimes to critical acclaim. I also agree that Prometheus was unfairly panned by critics and audiences who refused to try and understand it. I wish Ridley Scott released a statement saying “sorry if this movie wasn’t the ball of Xenomorphs, gore, and low brow monster-killing you expected, but there were four other movies about that in the series”.
Ridley Scott was just ripping himself off with this film (I don't know if he was conscious or not since he's drunk most of the time). A human being asks his creator to extend his life... Does it remind you of anything? Let me help: In Blade Runner when Hauer's character asks his human creator to extend his life. The original story was supposed to explain how the engineers seed planets with their DNA decomposed with the black goo to have life spring from it. When humanity was too evil, they sent one of them in human form (Jesus), but humans killed him, so the next step was to wipe humanity. That was the original intent until Damon Lindeloff got a hold of the script and changed it to make it more misterious and open a new trilogy. The Black goo is a biological device which can be weaponized or simply used as a mutation accelerant. But in the end Scott thought it would be ironic if David was the one who created the xenomorphes, and we know how thta turned out. Nice video, but you're making a big deal of something already suggested in the film. I would've loved to see your take on Pandorum, not enough videos about such an underrated gem. Thanx!!!
do less adderall
Or do more...whatever floats yo boat.
Ridley Scott.. had his limited he made alot of moive on what is a good idea but it don't mean it would be 100% good.. alot of time.. he would work in it until time run out and he just do with that story no matter how much plot hole there are... nothing new for him...
bannor216 lol, stream of consciousness.
The goo is a weapon... The movie itself says it is and is the whole reason the ship had to be stopped from reaching earth.
And Prometheus is an alien origin story. The aliens just change depending on the species they sprout from. Doesn't have the classic xenomorphs we usually see but it is implied that they are from the black goo.
There is actually a deleted scene of the engineer saying he is going to destroy humanity because we didn't follow the rules/ way of life that they taught us.
I read an article not long ago, a deleted scene of sorts. The engineers hated us because they sent an emissary to Earth once it was seeded and life developed to 'teach' us how to live, and humans, in all their infinite glory, crucified him.
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I just stumbled across your channel two years after you made this video Sir, and I love/like videos that makes me think, and the theories you put forth sound plausible and made me think, and now I need to go back and watch the Alien trilogy, as well as the Prometheus movies. Again my thanks Sir
THANK YOU for being smart and thinking against the crowd.
I completely agree with you, I loved Prometheus and was really looking forward to the trilogy after seeing it. It dealt with interesting questions like origins of humanity and wasn’t your straightforward SF horror most people were expecting having alien movies in mind. Ridley Scott was probably unhappy about the large amount of unfair criticism Prometheus received and Covenant was his way of giving middle finger and basically saying "okay, you dont want to see me try something new, creative and diferrent, here is the most bland, generic movie ever". Thats why he destroyed the whole Prometheus story in covenant and killed main protagonist off screen. Now, unfortunately, people like you and me will never see what story the maestro himself, original creator od Alien franchise, wanted to tell and all we’ll get are those silly generic avp type movies that get released simply to earn some money off of famous franchise name
I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes prometheus and wishes the engineers could be explored more. If I had it my way, I’d want them to world build more by maybe including the predators or whatever other races exist. I feel like it would be cool to find out there are connections but without over explaining to keep some mystery. Maybe they could follow a similar story from marvel comics where there’s the eternals, deviants, and humans who were all created by the celestials. The engineers could be the eternals and the predators could be the deviants. The only information a trilogy of movies would uncover would be that there are those other 2 races with some connection and them plus us were created by something and there were conflicts. I feel that would maintain mystery while still having a sense of story and universe
I could be that what the engineers were running from was the airborne goo which is why we never saw something chasing them and why one just dropped dead. The goo itself is sure an engine for evolution, but I think that the goo used to create humanity and the goo they find aren't the same version. And that the engineers use genetic information from other species to test better versions of themselves, and that the goo the found was made using alien dna, which is why we see worms turn into face hugger snakes, amount other xenomorph like life cycle phase creatures after the goo is introduced to life. And that the second ship David stool from the other lab was housing a different genetic source goo, which would exaplin that goos different interaction in covenent, its possible the goo they found in promtheus was a failed batch which is why they were trying to run or that it expired overtime and that the goo they encounter on arrival didn't do the same as the goo did when it was first manufactured.
I personally thought Prometheus was fantastic as the begining of something new. It set the stage for a huge universe full of all sorts of unknowns, which included but wasn't limited to the xenos. It showed there was a grand universe full of many great and terrifying things, and painted humanity as unimportant and small in the face of these things. It opened doors for possibilities beyond our own comprehension where we would be simple observes of happenings well above our ability to effect or control. Not only did the universe NOT revolve around mankind, but we were just forgotten/failed experiments left alone on our little mudball petri dish sitting in some backwater part of the universe.
Then comes Covenant (which fwiw I liked, for what it was), which slams all of those doors to larger events, unknowns, and mysteries. It shrunk the universe to even smaller limits than they started with in Alien. At least in Alien, we are given the impression that there are things in the universe well beyond our understanding and that humanity may not be the be-all end-all. With Covenant, yes the Engineers are still a thing I guess, but they're painted as more of an extinct predecessor of sorts to humanity. Suddenly, humanity is at the forefront of everything and the universe becomes smaller again for it.
We were created by the engineers who we apparently superceded and replaces. We created AI. The AI we created then creates the xenos, using our DNA as a catalsyst. Everything revolves around humanity at this point. For me it takes the wonder and mystery of a universe we can't comprehend, and goes back to just another man creates his own downfall trope. Not a bad trope I suppose, but definitely not what I imagine most folks thought of (certainly not what I thought of) before these prequels when they thought about the Alien series.
Shaws body recieved and maintained her good infection during a pregnancy and after the trauma of "birth." In that capacity it healed her rapidly and aided in her survival. I think it's the most awesome schmoo, it's what yoi or your injector needs at the time and in absence of trauma or project, it evolves the host.
The problem with Alien Covenant was that it wasn't supposed to be what it was. All the backlash that he got from Prometheus made him change the 2nd movie unfortunately.
I completely agree with you that Prometheus is a good movie! There is so much more to it than most realise!
The opening scene is criticised by a lot of people (tell me you don't understand the scene, without telling me you don't understand the scene), but as far as I'm concerned, it's outstanding! The atmosphere created is one of, if not the best of any movie!
I don't like covenant, not just because there are so many mistakes, but mainly because it could, and should have, been so much better!
I think the "Black goo" is the same substance called "Soy Sauce" in John Dies at the End
Pandorum is fantastic but the over saturation of darkness really detracts from it.
The moment he explained generic horror movies I was like yep that's exactly why they aren't scary lol
Yeah, if you ignore all the holes in their chests and heads, those engineers had no wounds at all.
I like the idea that there's no malicious intent, and alternative ideas for the purpose of the black goo. What I think really supports that idea is that the room those urns are in is obviously of some sort of religious significance, what with the altar, murals, sculptures, etc. However, regardless of whether or not you assess the intent of the engineers as malicious or not, what the goo DOES, which you seem to be really confused about, is turn things into aliens. That thing inside Shaw wasn't a hyper-evolved human, it was a god damned facehugger with acid blood that implanted an alien in that engineer. Maybe that's "progress" from a certain viewpoint, but for the protagonists of any given alien movie, *it creates bloodthirsty rape monsters*, so, yeah, it's a damn weapon.
As for the intentions of the engineers and their journey to Earth and all that, it doesn't really matter. At the point where that engineer wakes up, WE KNOW what the goo is, it creates aliens, it is alien goo, it makes things into killers that kill things and make more killing killers that kill and rape to make more killing raping rape killers. Yeah? So who the fuck cares where they're TAKING the goo, they shouldn't be taking it fucking *anywhere*. At that point in the film the goals of the engineers and humans are directly in conflict regardless of any potential past between them, although it's pretty damn interesting that the engineer barely seems phased by the presence of a bunch of weird aliens that look kinda like him, isn't it? Almost like he's already intimately familiar with and not really terribly surprised with the possibility of their presence?
I really want these last two alien movies to be good and make sense and have answers. But they don't, because they were directed by a drunken idiot creationist with dementia and a robot fetish. Movies that make you ask questions that linger in your mind are a good thing, but that is NOT the same as movies that make no sense because the people behind them have no fucking idea what the hell they're doing. Prometheus is hot garbage. My interest in coming up with explanations for what the hell is happening is transparently an act of apologizing for one of my most beloved monsters going on a bender and embarrassing themselves to the whole world. The hard truth about Prometheus and Covenant is that there ARE no answers, there IS no reasonable explanation, they are inconsistent with the rest of the franchise, with each other, and even with themselves. The only real way to retroactively make sense out of this trash is just that, retroactive re-interpretation, which is why I watched this video in the first place, because literally anyone could come up with a better, more consistent explanation for the events in these movies.
But holy shit, they are garbage, and you really shouldn't be throwing shade on people who hate Prometheus because they followed the directly stated and intended plot of the film when you apparently never noticed that the dead engineers had fucking chestburster exit wounds.
At 3:19, the liquid falling from her doesn't look like sweat, it looks like her hair is just wet. I don't care how hard you've been working out, sweat is not gonna be falling off you like a faucet. Lol
its liquid from the cryosleep pod,check the 1st scene with the crew,when they all wake up,Shaw is throwing up,Holloway is laughing,and they all leak with David putting towels on them. In thise pods they are in some liquid...
The reason I didn't like Prometheus isn't because I don't like to think, it's because when I did think about the character's motivations, the reasoning of the characters conclusions, etc - it didn't make sense. This film was poorly written, and had many logical contradictions or just nonsensical plot elements that simply didn't make any sense.
Prometheus is only a movie you can enjoy if you DO NOT think about it. That was its failure and why it is largely forgotten.
Remember Memento? If you've seen it you probably do, because that movie really made you think, and it may only have a single small plothole. What a great film that was.
A few months ago I've watched some videos that explained the lore based on the leaks of the screenplay. It contains translation of alien text and speech that reveals key stuff about the lore. I don't remember everything and I can't find the exact video at the moment.
Still some key points were that engineers were sterile, they could not reproduce and they have created the black goo as a way to seed new life. That's what we see at the start of "Prometheus". It is indeed gene modification tool.
I personally think that the Engineers are remnants of another dead civilization. They were an advanced form of robots, superior in every aspect, almost immortal, but sterile.
I bet you were watching "Kroft Talks Movies" channel
I feel that alien covenant is just ridley just tried to do everything the people where yelling to him about prometheus.
But i think the biggest issue is that they mentioned that it was a prequel to alien. Which they should have never done, and instead just have it be a part of the universe
Nice breakdown, love you vids brotha
Prometheus was an excellent film, as you say "as the first part of a trilogy". I thought the black goo was fairly obvious from the first scene where the engineer's blood spawns life on earth, not to mention the evolution of creatures to Xenomorph throughout the film. I was sooooo looking forward to the next movie introducing the Engineers! Thanks to a bunch of 'so called' fans complaining, Alien covenant was a total bust! So disappointing... Your assessment is 100% spot on bro!
Exactly!
That's so true! Prometheus was fantastic, setting up an incredible new story... Then, fans fucked it up. There you have it, Covenant! Congrats.
I love Alien, but man, Prometheus was a new thing, that seemed to go on a really cool direction. It was so fresh, so unique. I'd love to see were it was supposed to go, without no Alien Covenant. But well, guess that went down the hole..
Lol
I think the reason why people didn't like the movie isn't that it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
It's that no one wanted an origin story to the xenomorphs because the mystery is more terrifying than the "truth." And...also...because it was confusing and had mixed messages that retconned established lore.
"Prometheus was one of the best scifi movies ever made....."
I'm out.
I agree. One of my most favorite movies ever.
There is lost dialogue in the script that references to a star child (jesus) who was supposed to put us back on track. But in the end, than it kinda explains how dangerous it is to bioengineering weapons, like... a virus... Hint, covid.
Love your take on this, Prometheus was one of the finest films I’ve ever seen in terms of post-film discussion and analysis. It was a great feeling.
in prometheus the map guy got lost cos the map guy needed maps thats why hes a map guy no sense of direction, the animal expert reaches out to touch dangerous alien because he's an animal guy he loves animals, strangely the most logical things for their characters to do but at the same type the stupidest possible decisions
I agree with the whole Deacon bit. A ' typical ' facehugger impregnates it's host, then comes the chestburster. The resulting chestburster / Xenomorph depends on the host's DNA (Dog, Human, Engineer). But I also believe it depends on the type of Goo, and the " hugger " stage. And possibly Queen to egg. Shaw flips / bypasses all of this buy becoming pregnant, giving birth to the octopushugger. Then it ingests the engineers face, leaving it's embryo. So the Deacon maybe one way, and a typical facehugger would create a whole different result. I also think it depends on the goo. We're led to believe the jars are like the eggs, and the trilobites are the resulting facehuggers. However the eggs in Alien created a different Human - Xenomorph than what we see in Aliens. Also, in Alien we dint see a queen alien laying the eggs, they're just all around like the jars (possible evolution of the jars?) but we do see an engineer having its chest burst outward. This either is a third engineer - alien species (due to a different goo, evolved goo eggs), result of a trilobite impregnating an engineer, or even something else entirely. Or maybe something similar happened, a trilobite impregnated the engineer, resulting in a queen alien, that laid eggs (tho regular facehuggers appear, the Queens we see are the results of human hosts, we're led to believe that the host determines the look of the resulting Xenomorph. But we're also led to believe the typical Xenomorph is the same as the human hosted ones) and thus Alien picks-up. This can explain why the human Xenomorph here is different from that of those seen in Aliens and so on and so forth (maybe the facehuggers we see are all typical no matter the hosted queen, but depends on the goo too). Shaw acts as a queen Xenomorph, and her offspring impregnates an engineer creating the deacon.
Well these are at least my theories / things I can only explain / skepticize about with all the information.
Prometheus and alien covenant fell short of the mark when there was so much potential for them both
In terms of SciFi movies leaving questions for the viewer, the video mentions, Inception, Blade Runner, The Thing as examples, and compares Prometheus to these movies. What is important is that each of these movies establishes an internally consistent lore, and set up the uncertainty within that lore.
Consider that all three of these movies are nearly universally loved by fans, and the remaining unanswered questions are the key hooks contributing to these movies continued popularity and relevance over time.
Therefore, the dissatisfaction with Prometheus cannot be simply dismissed by supposing the audience doesn't like to think. On the contrary, fans of this type of movie are the very fans most likely to be more engaged as the movie provokes deeper thinking.
Prometheus was simply unsatisfying on its own merits. Flat charcters. Too many internal inconsistencies, "stupid decisions," and confusion about what story it even wanted to tell; what movie it wanted to be. If I may be so bold, it was actually in the end too similar to the Alien movies; it devolved too quickly from a movie about cosmic exploration and discovery into a rather generic (by late 2010's) horror movie. Instead of establishing an internally consitant lore, Prometheus kind of hints at it in a generally unsatisfying way, with flat characters making inconsistent decisions and then everybody dies. (I recognize there seems to be an artistic choice made to leave the audience in the dark about critical information just as the characters would be in such situation. Unfortunately the end result of this cinematically is an unsatisfying movie.)
The ending in my opinion was not a good set up for a trilogy. Nearly all the characters died (even if flat here the rest of the supposed trilogy needs something to work with and perhaps character growth would come in later movies), leaving only Shaw & David. Star Wars (the most successful SciFi movie trilogy of all time) ended with a mix of tragedy (death of Obi-Wan), growth for the main character, and a victory.
At the same time, the introduction of the Engineers as essentially tall, pale humans took a lot of the "Cosmic Horror" out of the franchise and the black goo. Frankly, identifying the goo as an evolutionary agent isn't a new insight and moreover doesn't change much as it would still be a deadly weapon against an unprepared humanity.
It could have been so much more. The one unanswered question for me is the background and purpose of the Xenomorth/Deacon mural. Obviously a religious connotation but difficult to see what an advanced spacefaring race would get religious wise out of a by a genetic product of an evolutionary accelerant. I mean, I get the "ultimate life form" angle but one would typically want God to speak back... Not implant you with larva that will eat your insides and burst through your body...
Dude, this is one of your best vids yet!!! All very interesting theories and very plausible moving forward with the franchise.
I think we have the daughter acting robotic was supposed to be to compare and contrast with David, the actual robot Weyland regarded as a son. Note that shot of her when he said so in the recording. Yeah, it's a little silly for people to ask if she's a robot, but given the directionless nature of the movie it's natural people start asking the wrong questions.
More than anything, I think what hampered the new movies more than anything was somebody with a great deal of creative control was obviously enamored with the David character.
Masterpiece of sci-fi horror action movie.
I'm big fan of sci-fi movies when they are good made, I was so surprised by this underrated movie from 2009 it's very clever very claustrophobic filled with emojis to horror movies like The Shining, Aliens and Alien with excellent cinematography and very good practical effects and great CGI with some great ideas about humanity and at the end of our Civilization and our reaction to the apocalypse. Ben Forster was as always very charismatic and very good, Dennis Quaid was great in his role with a great supporting characters. Don't listen to the critics and their opinions I highly suggest you give it I watch it's very underrated and I highly recommend it to you.
Rewatching this and I do like the idea that the goo they found was like bad batches or weapons or waste. Then leave it to a messed up android and idiots with degrees come along and fk it all up. And would lead to the awoken Engineer to attack as well. He wakes up to some aliens digging around in a place where nothing should leave, be removed, touched, etc so he goes in on them. Turns out it's more misunderstanding on the parts of humans and android that ruins everything.
Doesn’t explain the difference between the two types of engineers that we encounter. Exoskeleton military armor and engineer without it. It’s many things. Accelerated life, accelerated weapons, accelerated anything they want it to be is the goo. Just how we use many resources for many things the black goo is no different great video welcome back bruv!
I mean it's a bit of a stretch but we could say the same thing about the use of plastic by humans
Lauren Anderson so true I wish they would have explained the space jockey
Lauren Anderson you really nailed it. I was hoping like yourself for so much more and instead got another standard film that ruined so much of the lore. Well said.
Prometheus was an issue with editing. They edited out all the information that better asked questions. There is a fan edit that adds all the cut scenes and those promotion videos back in. Also, the conversation between the engineer and david, the engineer fight with shaw. it adds so much more to the film and help added a lot to the film.
I wanted to know more about the creators and their planet. I guess we will never know now.
right now they show that they had the same as ours... but enginer is the more advance...cleary they gave up try to made more since whatever they do.. it will never be good enough..
So the alien franchise is up there for me as one of my favorites. So, like i wanna say promethus is one of my favorites actually
This is the most clear-logical-answer to the Alien trilogy that makes sense!! Thanks for the insight!
thank you for standing with me on the "one of the best sci-fi films" thing
Don't really agree about it being as highly rated as you do. It's my third favorite in the Alien franchise but that just means I think it's better than others. Each their own though, I respect your opinion. It had mystery and potential. However there are a lot of scenes where like Covenant, the crew act completely stupid. That biologist and the space cobra is gotta be the best example but there's more. The stupidity is far worse in Covenant though. Having said that, I kinda want to see that scene redone where they give the Engineer time to go take an Austin Powers long piss and get some coffee.
The engineers that were piled up all had wounds like burst ribs and one of the lost characters say that, as like in the original alien, that it looks like it was burst open from inside. Also a deleted scene shows these characters finding shed skin like in alien. One other thing when you see the running engineers before you see them you hear the same sound as the decon made from the end scene. Also I think the black goo is a copy of the stuff you see an Engineer drink at the beginning thats why they were making it on that planet and not their home planet.
I think Prometheus with all the deleted scenes is an amazing movie
Yes! I loved Prometheus. Wish they would have not be influenced by fanatics. Great movie
Imagine just now watching Pandorum? Lol I watched this as a kid on SyFy back in the day
excellent interpretation. and i know this is late, but the impression i was getting is that the goo is an extremely concentrated fluid.
it's sorta like concentrated orange juice, you gotta dilute it in water for it to be drinkable.
so if humans and engineers have the same dna, a human may be a diluted form of an engineer. or, conversely, an engineer is a natural superhuman.
the objective of the engineer may have been to travel to earth to accelerate, or even transform, life on earth to be more like the engineers, after having seeded earth in the beginning of the movie. perhaps by dropping the canisters into the ocean the farthest from human populations.
why the goo had plain destroyed the engineer population instead of transforming it as it does the humans is because the ship's entire payload is being dropped in one local area, utterly overwhelming life in that area.
each example of a human being affected by the goo is of a fraction of what is contained in one canister. shaw is least affected because she had received it third hand, potentially in the parts-per-million, after charlie's body had long since digested a droplet.
either by being affected by it as to alter his sperm within a few hours, or tainting his sperm after urination.
it was never meant to be contacted in such a form. it's a terraforming agent, as you say.
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I saw Prometheus 3D in 2012 in an upscale theater in the Middle East and it was visually stunning, maybe the most beautiful film I’ve ever watched. I’ve never understood all the hate towards it.
..."Prometheus was a perfect intro movie to a trilogy and it's honestly one of the best sci-fi movies ever made."
you lost a lot of people's intentions to contemplate your opinions and theories with this statement.
I agree. Prometheus was a fantastic sci-fi film and story. Visually it was amazing and the story kept me guessing and asking questions years after watching it. I wish it would have been a trilogy about the engineers because they're the most interesting Alien I've seen in decades. The xenomorphs to me will always be cool but getting teased with the engineers was a bummer to not learn and see more of them. Good video man.
I don’t believe the theory but I love the Prometheus support
Excellent video. Not surprised no one else has brought up any of these points. They’re not obvious, but they make sense. Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain everything.
"Personally, I’m happy with the mystery. So glad the movie didn’t explain ANYTHING".
There. Fixed it for you.
But you ain't asking the right questions!
An interesting point about the 3-D hologram display of Earth sequence: it was part of a navigation protocol. You can point and click on a 2D map, indicating that's where you want to set course; in a 3-D display, just popping it from its location could just be a short-cut to doing the same thing.
Prometheus was a terrible movie BECAUSE of the STUPID DECISIONS made by what we call *SCIENTISTS*.
i still think that black goo is a weapon though, given how unpredictable and or unstable the endresult seems to be
instead of killing the victims that goo's weaponized purpose in my opinion is to inflict terror into the targets since the result seems always random and witht aht short incubation time you can't trust anyone isn't infected so it would make an exellent moral destroyer in entrenched situations f.e.
come to think of it that black goo stuff seems to have similar properties to the genesis devise from that star trek movie since it also created new life and or altered existing stuff (microbes in or on that casket) on top of reanimating the dead body of spock
the deacon was fine imo, i have more issue with the discrepancies between the jockey and the engineers, the jockey's fossil was larger, i mean as kane and company did them preliminary research it looked to me that the length of the jockey's arm was as big as kane etc so the engineers are basicly to small
what bugs me more is that starchart thingie, unless we take creationism into account there is no way shaw and collegues could have found the right constallation in their lifetime if we either take the roughtly 200.000years evolution of man into account or the and that is where i lean into more the overall timespan earth is bearing life since the opening shots of prometheus show liquid water flowing in rivers and stuff but little to none vegetation or other signs of life, so the engineer who drank from the chalice seeded life on earth which in return would mean that that starchart shaw found was coincidental to that alien hideout since even in 200.000 years there is plenty of time that stuff happens that would alter lv233 and or its host system, not to mention that the engineers had vast energy resources at their disposal to make the 36lightyear trip to earth aswell as the humans so the possibility that someone could have blown up the celestial bodies in the time life evolved on earth and stuff is a real thread
granted we don't know anything of engineer culture or possible other alien life that exists in that particular universe, i mean there are the yauta aka predators as possible galactic neighbor or any other hightech alien species who essentially can utilize vast amounts of energy on a whim and stuff
that the deacon at the end was shoehorned into the movie i think was a mistake and that movie would have worked without it just fine or even better if i keep in mind that Scott was originally planning on creating a movie with some "alien dna" meaning that it would not be directly integrated into the setablished timeline of the first 3 movies (i personally see alien ressurrection not canon, aswell the prometheus cycle or the avp stuff), more akin of a parallel universe
but i liked the incorperation of Gigers art
"Prometheus is one of tge best sci-fi movies ever made"
Yeah... no. Sorry.
I agree
Good science fiction has an underlying logic to it, even if you don't initially know what it is or if it's never clearly spelled-out. The Alien life cycle is a bit stupid, but not totally illogical. Prometheus seemed obsessed with creating a life cycle that's too convoluted to follow and seemed to serve only to create random threats. That on it's own wouldn't be bad, except for the fact that the CHARACTERS also act in ways that make no sense, like Weyland pretending to be dead simply for the sake of a twist of revealing that he was alive. When everything is random it fails as sci-fi. When people do random things and there's no way of foreseeing what happens next, it's not suspenseful like a horror movie should be (Hitchcock's bomb analogy) and it fails as a mystery when you have to rely on endless speculation about endless questions simply for their own sake, with no reason to care other than a previously established attachment to the franchise. ruclips.net/video/-x1YuvUQFJ0/видео.html
Prometheus was a brilliant film that should have expanded the aliens universe and allowed for so much more content for the fans. Sadly, the dumb ass folks who for some reason desperately wanted yet another film featuring an inept group of space faring humans being systematically eliminated by a xenomorph that's eventually killed by the last women on the ship by either sheer luck a convient air lock.
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The screenplay goes into this with much more detail; the Engineers were hyper-evolved and basically lost the ability to procreate. One of their kind unexpectedly 'spawned' a deacon-like being and became revered as a savior to the species. Its (golden) blood was seen at the beginning of the film, in the ritual sacrifice that seeded DNA on the Iceland planet. Eventually the Engineers were forced to synthesize its blood, which was the black goo we see in the Big Head chamber that had the Deacon mural, and with which they perpetuated their lineage by glomming onto other living beings.
Ridley Scott went into further, even more insane, detail, saying that *Jesus* was an Engineer emissary (seriously) and because we crucified him, the Engineers we see in the film decided we needed to be 'cleansed' in their saviour's blood. Hence why they were heading to Earth with those vials and why "2000 years ago" was so conspicuously mentioned in the movie (along with Shaw's prominent Christianity & symbolisms).
I'm not saying that's BETTER than what we got, but it goes a long way to tying it all together relatively coherently...
I disagree that Prometheus was good at all, but I like your videos.
Vickers wasnt sweating from pushups she was only doing push ups to get her heart pumping blood back to her extremeties after being in stasis for the voyage and that was amniotic fluid not sweat
i think you're delving too deep into whats just bad writing
I actouly liked Prometheus. Its up there as one of my favorites for Syfy-Horror. Why do the engineers wanna kill us?: because the human species is a parasite for planets? Yup I was wrong lol. Yeah I think it went to the control panel because it was the selected planet.
You convinced me: there was more to Prometheus than I credited. But! What was up with the biologist sticking his face right into the space python? That scene more than any other made me believe I was watching an unserious attempt at a movie.
Great video essay!
Vickers hated her father and wanted him to fail. So she recruited incompetent crew for the expedition.
I think it can be used as a weapon but is really a tool to aid creation. I think the Engineers tried to kill them because their experiment (us). Was creating our own life (David). Which was never the intention or maybe he was trying to save us from making the same mistakes they made. Fantastic thinking points man!
Stop with the "supposed to ask yourself questions" excuse.
You ask questions alongside provided nuggets of information. Thus having a lead as to which questions should be asked. The movie still has to have a goal. You discuss themes presented in an elaborate way so you can put them in context with your current lifestyle and social environment.
But Prometheus hid that information intentionally while focusing on irrelevant things like 3 different mutation results. It did not elaborate engineer society instead it presented idiot scientists alongside human assumptions without searching for evidence instead just believing. That contradicted the science plot. It had no obvious narrative goal. You did not know which question you should ask yourself.
The most interesting things like the mural and the big heads should have been explored.
Shaw's motivation should have been explored but instead was ignored in favor of retardedly acting scientists.
So for all that is dear to you STOP making excuses. This movie is probably the best looking sci-fi movie existing but the narrative thread is simply not existing. If Scott had done an extended cut with all deleted scenes in it the movie had that narrative thread. It had been a mediocre execution, but well rounded nontheless.
The movie failed because it ultimately was linked to a big budget B movie and tried to mystify the very simple premise of hostile monsters killing people.
It should have explored religion, science, creation and the ethics behind it. A story as old as humans but with that personal take of Scott. Instead it had no goal post. So the smallest denominator were the mutations. And even they did not follow any obvious rules so what were we supposed to discuss alongside those creatures?
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