The other thing about this is even if you don't kill by impaling the person who invaded your space bubble with the arrow... It's no longer in your hand and you can grab your *actual* melee weapon of choice xD
@@revampedharpy09 Yeah, no-one wants to take a lunge at their gut whether or not it will penetrate (I gave up trying not to make that sound suggestive).
@@revampedharpy09exactly By no means will it replace even a dagger, let alone a sword, but it works well enough It not only frees up a hand, but it also does some damage AND will likely get them to back off enough you can actually grab your sword Which is really the only circumstance you SHOULD be using arrows as a melee weapon
@@dragonriderabens9761 oh yeah, its definately not something you want as your first option, but its probably not the worst back up plan if nothing better is available
If they have needle bodkins, the arrows should make for somewhat decent melee weapons in a pinch. Not nearly as good as a dedicated melee weapon, but perhaps better than drawing your sidearm if the enemy gets close while you already have an arrow in your hand. You'd have to drop it, reach for your sidearm, draw it, and only then start to fight back. If you have split seconds to react, why not use your arrow?
I would imagine medieval warfare arrows, especially those used with a British longbow, were also a lot sturdier than what we typically use today in sport archery. On the other hand archers always were armed with at least a dagger for close quarters emergencies for a reason.
A bodkin tip would be able to do some damage. Hell, a slightly blunt broadhead would work too. Field tips are shit at penetration anyway. It's like trying to drive a blunt nail into oak
If you find yourself in a situation where you'd have to stab someone with an arrow, I mean you might as well try regardless of what type of arrow you have because you're probably dead anyway since the other guy probably has a sword or a spear.
If they have a spear, you're probably going to be dead before you're close enough to stab them with a held arrow. Better off just trying to shoot it at them, I would think.
I love how the moment my boy learned there were arrows that could stay, he immediately went mad with power and stabbed as often as he could. My boy let the voices win.
In my DND game I play a monk who fights using spears, he came across a whole bunch of arrows of silencing which create a field around him that silence all sound. He uses them to stab magic casters so they can't cast spells that require verbal components. I'm glad to see that's not entirely unrealistic! .... Minus the magic and stuff of course.
Sounds really cool. Though as a DM I usually struggle with magic arrows, because I´m not sure if I should make them consumable/1-use or not. Like in your example, I´d probably just rule it that the silence activates once the arrow hits something, then the magic fades and you´re left with just a basic arrow. (I can´t quite remember what the RAW/rules as written on arrows are.)
@@johnyshadowi mean, if you go and read some history books you may notice that when a battle ends, the battlefield is looted to retrieve the arrows and other weapons/armor, so making them a consumable makes no sense, better off by making them a basic arrow after the magic is triggered. Same with potions, once you drink them you're left with just the empty bottle to refill them later, they'd still take space in your inventory
@@Sac-chan If we´re going for a more realitic aproach, sure. But in high-fantasy settings, you can do a lot of things with magic. 1 - Arrow might be specifically crafted to be magic, not just enchanted. So, they can´t take the strain and disintegrate on use. (Not to mention something like fire/acid arrow that would be destroyed anyway.) 2 - Potions depend on how they are made. Sometimes you use magic to create the entire thing, bottle and all. So once it´s emptied, the bottle just dissolves into the air as pure magic force. 2.5 - Or if I wanted to go a bit crazy/quirky, I´d say that all potion bottles are enchanted with special magic that teleports to the Outer Plane of Trash and Discarded Things Because why not? It´s magic. :D PS: I´m not saying one way is better than the other. Just that it´s your world, and you can do whatever you want with it.
can't forget the crucial detail that stabbing people with arrows stuns them, and removing the arrow instantly kills them learned this fact from a very insightful documentary video game about the gravel wars
I can't remember ever seeing a movie where someone was stabbed by an arrow that was being held by the fletching. Arrow flex has very little effect when holding the arrow near the head like pretty much everyone knows would happen.
It was well done in tomb raider 2013, as she was grabbing the arrow by its end so there was not flex part in it. Also she was aiming at the neck so no even clothes to penetrate.
A regular warhead is meant to be hard to remove. The "safest" way is to break the arrow and push it to create an exit wound. Pulling on the arrow will create a much bigger wound because of the barbs on the arrowhead preventing the arrow to go backwards without tearing whatever it is embedded into. Nevertheless, a dagger is indefinitely more suited for stabbing (and easier to draw) than any type of arrow there is. Edit: Warheads were never used for target practice because they damaged the targets too much and were harder to craft than smooth tips.
That's not true. If the arrow has already gone all the way through the flesh and out the other side then yes snap off the shaft and pull it though. If it hasn't then it is never a good idea to deliberately cause even more damage by pushing it through uninjured flesh. At best you are going to cause just as much harm as you would by just yanking it out. Especially if the arrow has hit somewhere important. Like your torso with all of its nice, unpunctured, organs. The proper way to remove a barbed arrow head is to tie or hold the injured person down, carefully spread open the wound and insert something clean and sterilized to push the flesh away from the barbed tips. At which point you could carefully pull the arrow back out. I've even heard of them cutting off the tips of feathers because feathers are hollow, sort of like plastic straws, and slipping the hollow ends over the barbs so they could pull the arrow out without it catching on anything.
@@sr71silverI've heard of people using silk or other light-but-strong fabric as "armour" for this sort of purpose (presumably underneath some other kind of armour). The idea being that the arrow would still penetrate, and you'd still have an entry wound, but the fabric would stay intact and get pushed in into the wound by the arrow, and end up wrapped around the arrow head, making it much easier to remove the arrow with less damage I have absolutely no idea whether that would make any sense. But I'm curious
@@douglaswolfen7820 I can't say I've heard or seen anything about that but I'm sceptical. I can't see any reason why the arrow wouldn't usually go through the silk as well.
It'd have to already be almost all the way through for me to consider pushing it the rest of the way through. Barbs are nasty, but your best bet would probably be getting as much light as possibly to see what you're doing, grabbing the head with some forceps, and idealy have a second person use some metal probes or tweezers to push the flesh away from each side of the barbs, then pull it out, then focus on stopping the bleeding.
I covered that a little on tiktok, but the switch in grip would take that you could spend drawing a better weapon (or shooting), and essentially aiming for the eye is just really hard under pressure
A great target for arrow jabbing might be up under the armpit. It's traditionally a weak point in some armors and not a hugely difficult target to hit under pressure. The amount of penetration he got would be enough to disable an arm, which could easily be the end of someone on the battlefield.
@@bluminecklegolas didnt change grip, he stabbed the arrow just like the way he drawed. You say that in that time you could draw actual weapon, but the way we see legolas did it, is because he had no time for anything (ok maybe he could do some acrobatics souls like roll), but he chooses to kill orc with arrow stab just because he can use his time more efficient, because of hundreds of years of training and actual battles
Is that a trope? I only ever remember seeing it once, when Legolas had to stab an orc through the eye. It seems like an act of desperation as much as anything else.
it happens at least a few times in Avengers with Hawkeye I've also definitely seen that in some other animations, stick figures mainly so yeah, it kinda is a trope
I once wrote a scene where a character stabbed a monster with an arrow. The arrow in question was magically enchanted to explode on impact, and the character didn't have time to let go before it went off. The character was left unable to hold anything in that hand until he had the opportunity to seek medical attention. The monster was left momentarily stunned, its outer shell taking the brunt of the damage. All in all, not the best decision that character has made.
@@withercat1801 Probably the best idea he had at the time, but in hindsight, he should have taken his chances trying to dodge. At the very least, he now knows what it feels like to get hit by one of those arrows, and that's always useful info to have :P
I have also read a story where this was the reason why people don't throw fireballs with magic. Most people who TRY end up blowing their own hands off.
Is it weird that I find it satisfying to watch him stab the target with the war bow arrows? Also I love the little hoop he gives us with the arrow at the end, it was really cute
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What kinda crazy is a good while ago a lot of Hollywood tropes would be proven wrong only for them to be shown to be more probable then people thought years later. And a lot of the time it’s because people don’t consider that the characters in movies are typically peak human or at least very capable while people trying to disprove stuff are comparing feats to the average joe which obviously makes them less likely. Obviously this isn’t usually true Hollywood does genuinely exaggerate shim not insane I realize the difference between reality and fiction. Just saying people don’t seem to believe anything extraordinary is possible.
Another way to remove the variable of arrow flex is shown in History's Strongest Disciple (not saying it's actually done, just that that's where I saw it and the logic tracks) where they basically hold it at the arrowhead and don't use it for any reach, just to have a sharp thing to cut people with.
Even the lighter target/hunting bow arrows could be used for stabbing with the right head on them...sure, it would probably break the arrow in the process. One guy at what used to be an archery range ended up in the hospital from an arrow from a light "toy" bow that he dropped that had a rather nasty arrowhead on it that just the force from the drop had it pierce his shoe and into cut pretty deeply into his foot, that was not a pretty sight to see.
This guy makes me want to learn archery, I like that he doesn’t outright dismiss the fantasy setting and can liken it to the real world in some way. Most people try their hardest to show how unrealistic movies or games are
The thing with those is that it is often used in armor gaps to vulnerable spots, like eyes or the throat. Even if you don't go in deep, you're doing serious debilitating damage
I want to say the popularity of this trope can be laid squarely at the feet of Legolas, since he’s the first I really remember doing this. But HE gets away with it because he’s a Tolkien-verse elf, who are capable of walking on snow and weaving threads of starlight. So casually using an arrow as a melee weapon doesn’t seem far fetched. Everyone else has no excuse
I'd say it's just popular because archer characters are popular in fiction. If you have a fighter whose main advantage is shooting from far away, it's only natural to think about what they would do if that advantage was suddenly lost, and "stab with the pointy stick they're holding" is one of those more obvious choices.
@ela8549 Except in movies before _LOTR_ the way archer characters typically dealt with close quarters combat was to whip out a sword or a knife. See _Robin Hood_ or _Rambo._ The whole “stab em with an arrow" thing didn’t really show up until after _Fellowship of the Ring,_ and then all of a sudden every movie character with a bow and arrow started doing it
My guess is you'd want to be gripping the arrow more like about 6 inches from the point, minimizing the amount of shaft to flex. Also, I think they usually carried a dagger or small sword for just such an occurrence. Not to mention the fact that arrows take a bit of time to produce. I suppose we are talking about a last resort situation though.
I feel like I usually see an arrow stab as holding the arrow near the head and in icepick grip. Often while blitzing the opponent and possiby by pouncing on them.
Oh yeah. This is something you only do if someone's managed to get in really, really close so that you can't get the bow up. And I'm guessing you'd have to be involved in some really frantic scrambled melee for that to happen before you can get a shot off from longer range Probably didn't come up all that often
As I understand, in reality, archers were actually quite effective at close range. Their fighting style was much like you might see from a fantasy rogue.
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It's funny that I found your channel right after I decided to take up archery again. Like, I thought to myself, "archery was always fun...I should get a bow and pick that up again" and then like the next day one if your videos popped up in my recommendations
I enjoy how he usually starts these videos with explaining how impractical whatever archery trope of the day is, before immediately coming up with a practical reason or method for using said trope and demonstrating it with absolute fucking panache.
also of note, it's usually a grip around 1/3 or 2/5th - past center at least - from the arrowhead, in a reverse grip, so you do actually get some force into it. sort of like an epi-pen stab
Honestly this makes me appreciate the bit where it happens in Legend of Vox Machina, because Vex specifically hits the guy in the ear and then the eye. Super soft and vulnerable places that would be easy af to stab
I'd argue that a bodkin tip would be more effective as broadhead arrows have more surface area you need to push in and especially if the leather armor is still I'm effect. But Bodkin tips are made specifically to easily penetrate so you can stab deeper with less force even with the armor.
It just proves that Legolas had a great aim when stabbing someone’s jugular in battle, since any other part of the body wouldn’t be critically injured.
I love how there is not the slightest bit of padding on this video, no intro for the channel or even the topic just 'Arrow. No stab. Other arrow. Yes stab.'
I feel like this was very Legolas inspired. :P I’m very happy you put the text overlay on here, that wind was rough. Glad you weren’t trying to do any crazy long distance marksmanship that day. People all over your neighborhood would still be picking up arrows. 😂 Though if you have the space, a crazy crosswind archery video could be interesting. Since you like the fantasy settings, maybe you could do the setting as trying to hit a wind wizard or an Airbender.
thats the thing about a lot of "xyz trope in real life" analyses - they tend to examine modern equipment and techniques, and not what used to be the standard. i remember fairly recently people complained about fighters in d&d being able to make 3 attacks plus move 30 ft. in 6 seconds - and yeah sure dnd doesnt accomodate for how exhausted youd be after doing that level of activity more than once in a day because its a fantasy game, someone posted a clip of themselves using an accurately weighted replica of a two handed sword striking a target about 4 times in less than six seconds with an invredible degree of maneuverability. medieval craftsmen were pretty incredible! they knew how to make things that we largely dont anymore turns out!
That's why when the knights came slogging through the mud at Agincourt, they met fully-developed archers wielding war hammers and had their heads knocked in or off.
I think the main issue might be one of range. Stabbing with an arrow gives you a weapon on maybe 18 inch length from your grip. if your opponent has a sword or worse a spear, they will have already hit before the archer can reach them with the thrust.
Its also quite common for the arrow to already be broken in the arrow stab trope. Plus its often that the person stabbing eith an arrow is on top of the person they are stabbing. These two factors change how much penetration the arrow will get, even lighter arrows.
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The other thing about this is even if you don't kill by impaling the person who invaded your space bubble with the arrow... It's no longer in your hand and you can grab your *actual* melee weapon of choice xD
Plus even if theyre not dead, its going to hurt and probably be a bit distracting for them
@@revampedharpy09 Yeah, no-one wants to take a lunge at their gut whether or not it will penetrate (I gave up trying not to make that sound suggestive).
@@Lastielion I don't think it sounds suggestive at all
@@revampedharpy09exactly
By no means will it replace even a dagger, let alone a sword, but it works well enough
It not only frees up a hand, but it also does some damage AND will likely get them to back off enough you can actually grab your sword
Which is really the only circumstance you SHOULD be using arrows as a melee weapon
@@dragonriderabens9761 oh yeah, its definately not something you want as your first option, but its probably not the worst back up plan if nothing better is available
There are so many different arrow points out there, even at the height of bow usage, it would depend on what arrows the archer has with them.
If they have needle bodkins, the arrows should make for somewhat decent melee weapons in a pinch. Not nearly as good as a dedicated melee weapon, but perhaps better than drawing your sidearm if the enemy gets close while you already have an arrow in your hand. You'd have to drop it, reach for your sidearm, draw it, and only then start to fight back. If you have split seconds to react, why not use your arrow?
I would imagine medieval warfare arrows, especially those used with a British longbow, were also a lot sturdier than what we typically use today in sport archery. On the other hand archers always were armed with at least a dagger for close quarters emergencies for a reason.
@@Nirual86yea it would just make more sense to draw a dagger if you see someone getting too close
A bodkin tip would be able to do some damage. Hell, a slightly blunt broadhead would work too. Field tips are shit at penetration anyway. It's like trying to drive a blunt nail into oak
Explosive arrows hehe
They may not be ideal, but never underestimate the power of a pointy stick.
THE POWAA OF THE MIGHTY STICK!!!11
I might quote that daily now😂
Afterall, the pointy stick is a weapon that has endured throughout the entire human history
@@awesomehazimex7410 slashing wounds may look messy and all but getting impaled by a pointy stick is guaranteed death
I call it Mr pointy
If you find yourself in a situation where you'd have to stab someone with an arrow, I mean you might as well try regardless of what type of arrow you have because you're probably dead anyway since the other guy probably has a sword or a spear.
If they have a spear, you're probably going to be dead before you're close enough to stab them with a held arrow. Better off just trying to shoot it at them, I would think.
Run.
An arrow as a melee weapon is only effective against a knife at best
Might as well try because you will die if you do nothing regardless.
Doubt turning your back on the enemy at melee's range is a great tactic.
According to an assassin (not a crazed gunman) it's a guaranteed instakill but also leaves you wide open for other tauntkills
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@@Glaidy *illness
I love how the moment my boy learned there were arrows that could stay, he immediately went mad with power and stabbed as often as he could. My boy let the voices win.
In my DND game I play a monk who fights using spears, he came across a whole bunch of arrows of silencing which create a field around him that silence all sound. He uses them to stab magic casters so they can't cast spells that require verbal components.
I'm glad to see that's not entirely unrealistic!
.... Minus the magic and stuff of course.
Oh, that's genius.
Sounds really cool.
Though as a DM I usually struggle with magic arrows, because I´m not sure if I should make them consumable/1-use or not.
Like in your example, I´d probably just rule it that the silence activates once the arrow hits something, then the magic fades and you´re left with just a basic arrow.
(I can´t quite remember what the RAW/rules as written on arrows are.)
@@johnyshadowi mean, if you go and read some history books you may notice that when a battle ends, the battlefield is looted to retrieve the arrows and other weapons/armor, so making them a consumable makes no sense, better off by making them a basic arrow after the magic is triggered. Same with potions, once you drink them you're left with just the empty bottle to refill them later, they'd still take space in your inventory
@@Sac-chan If we´re going for a more realitic aproach, sure.
But in high-fantasy settings, you can do a lot of things with magic.
1 - Arrow might be specifically crafted to be magic, not just enchanted. So, they can´t take the strain and disintegrate on use. (Not to mention something like fire/acid arrow that would be destroyed anyway.)
2 - Potions depend on how they are made. Sometimes you use magic to create the entire thing, bottle and all. So once it´s emptied, the bottle just dissolves into the air as pure magic force.
2.5 - Or if I wanted to go a bit crazy/quirky, I´d say that all potion bottles are enchanted with special magic that teleports to the Outer Plane of Trash and Discarded Things
Because why not? It´s magic. :D
PS: I´m not saying one way is better than the other. Just that it´s your world, and you can do whatever you want with it.
@@johnyshadow i mean, it's upt to you, i was talking about a realistic approach
can't forget the crucial detail that stabbing people with arrows stuns them, and removing the arrow instantly kills them
learned this fact from a very insightful documentary video game about the gravel wars
Gotta twirl it first though.
Stab stab stab
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@@blumineck
And cute
I can't remember ever seeing a movie where someone was stabbed by an arrow that was being held by the fletching. Arrow flex has very little effect when holding the arrow near the head like pretty much everyone knows would happen.
Ok but what if you're an elf? Ever think of that?
The halfling ranger in my party stabbing the wizard with an arrow and him just fucking dieing
All the time buddy. I think about that all the time
Judging from this guy's outfit, looks, and voice... he definitely is an elf. Don't ask what happened to his ears though.
@@kalahatzePeer pressure to become a "normal" human is what happened to his elf ear😭
He is though?
I can tell you were increasingly happy about stabbing that target with arrows. 🤣
Certainly felt power behind it 😆
It was well done in tomb raider 2013, as she was grabbing the arrow by its end so there was not flex part in it. Also she was aiming at the neck so no even clothes to penetrate.
Is there a youtube clip of that? I couldn't find anything with "tomb raider 2013 arrow stab".
@@SmartyPoohBear look for tomb raider finishers videos
I think even a hunting bow arrow could be fairly uncomfortable in someone's eyeball!
That's more of a precision/angle issue then
Sure, just uncomfortable. 🤣🤣
A regular warhead is meant to be hard to remove. The "safest" way is to break the arrow and push it to create an exit wound. Pulling on the arrow will create a much bigger wound because of the barbs on the arrowhead preventing the arrow to go backwards without tearing whatever it is embedded into. Nevertheless, a dagger is indefinitely more suited for stabbing (and easier to draw) than any type of arrow there is.
Edit: Warheads were never used for target practice because they damaged the targets too much and were harder to craft than smooth tips.
That's not true. If the arrow has already gone all the way through the flesh and out the other side then yes snap off the shaft and pull it though. If it hasn't then it is never a good idea to deliberately cause even more damage by pushing it through uninjured flesh. At best you are going to cause just as much harm as you would by just yanking it out. Especially if the arrow has hit somewhere important. Like your torso with all of its nice, unpunctured, organs.
The proper way to remove a barbed arrow head is to tie or hold the injured person down, carefully spread open the wound and insert something clean and sterilized to push the flesh away from the barbed tips. At which point you could carefully pull the arrow back out. I've even heard of them cutting off the tips of feathers because feathers are hollow, sort of like plastic straws, and slipping the hollow ends over the barbs so they could pull the arrow out without it catching on anything.
@@sr71silverI've heard of people using silk or other light-but-strong fabric as "armour" for this sort of purpose (presumably underneath some other kind of armour). The idea being that the arrow would still penetrate, and you'd still have an entry wound, but the fabric would stay intact and get pushed in into the wound by the arrow, and end up wrapped around the arrow head, making it much easier to remove the arrow with less damage
I have absolutely no idea whether that would make any sense. But I'm curious
@@douglaswolfen7820 I can't say I've heard or seen anything about that but I'm sceptical. I can't see any reason why the arrow wouldn't usually go through the silk as well.
It'd have to already be almost all the way through for me to consider pushing it the rest of the way through. Barbs are nasty, but your best bet would probably be getting as much light as possibly to see what you're doing, grabbing the head with some forceps, and idealy have a second person use some metal probes or tweezers to push the flesh away from each side of the barbs, then pull it out, then focus on stopping the bleeding.
@@sr71silver yeah, that's the bit that makes me doubt the story too. I mean, silk is strong, but can it really be that strong?
What about holding the arrow more towards the head, not all the way up, and stabbing for vulnerable spots like the neck or eyes
I covered that a little on tiktok, but the switch in grip would take that you could spend drawing a better weapon (or shooting), and essentially aiming for the eye is just really hard under pressure
Yeah, hit em in the guts
@@blumineckUsually they have an arrow nocked when they get ganked, so they stab so local mc can beat them up
A great target for arrow jabbing might be up under the armpit. It's traditionally a weak point in some armors and not a hugely difficult target to hit under pressure. The amount of penetration he got would be enough to disable an arm, which could easily be the end of someone on the battlefield.
@@bluminecklegolas didnt change grip, he stabbed the arrow just like the way he drawed. You say that in that time you could draw actual weapon, but the way we see legolas did it, is because he had no time for anything (ok maybe he could do some acrobatics souls like roll), but he chooses to kill orc with arrow stab just because he can use his time more efficient, because of hundreds of years of training and actual battles
Is that a trope? I only ever remember seeing it once, when Legolas had to stab an orc through the eye. It seems like an act of desperation as much as anything else.
In addition to that, I remember him firing at point blank range while being charged, he was SO fast at drawing.
I think Susan Pevensie did it in the Narnia films
it happens at least a few times in Avengers with Hawkeye
I've also definitely seen that in some other animations, stick figures mainly
so yeah, it kinda is a trope
TF2 Sniper can do it as a taunt attack when equipped with the Huntsman
@ysa7823 This was my next thought as well. I think Susan did it at least twice
I once wrote a scene where a character stabbed a monster with an arrow. The arrow in question was magically enchanted to explode on impact, and the character didn't have time to let go before it went off.
The character was left unable to hold anything in that hand until he had the opportunity to seek medical attention. The monster was left momentarily stunned, its outer shell taking the brunt of the damage. All in all, not the best decision that character has made.
I like it when characters make bad decisions in the heat of the moment. Good on you!
@@withercat1801 Probably the best idea he had at the time, but in hindsight, he should have taken his chances trying to dodge. At the very least, he now knows what it feels like to get hit by one of those arrows, and that's always useful info to have :P
@Axius27 now he'll either be hesistant or all the more excited to maime something with those arrows
you're autistic aren't you
I have also read a story where this was the reason why people don't throw fireballs with magic. Most people who TRY end up blowing their own hands off.
A workaround I saw was in the Tomb Raider trilogy
Where Lara uses the arrow stab but she held it closer to the tip and not the tail
Is it weird that I find it satisfying to watch him stab the target with the war bow arrows? Also I love the little hoop he gives us with the arrow at the end, it was really cute
While most try to prove Hollywood and game designers wrong, this man always finds a way to prove them right. This man is a legend.
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What kinda crazy is a good while ago a lot of Hollywood tropes would be proven wrong only for them to be shown to be more probable then people thought years later. And a lot of the time it’s because people don’t consider that the characters in movies are typically peak human or at least very capable while people trying to disprove stuff are comparing feats to the average joe which obviously makes them less likely. Obviously this isn’t usually true Hollywood does genuinely exaggerate shim not insane I realize the difference between reality and fiction. Just saying people don’t seem to believe anything extraordinary is possible.
@@Aflay1depends on what they’re advocating and wether they “devils advocate” correctly and don’t just use it as an excuse to say some fucked up shit.
You could tell he was having fun with those stabs. Took one every chance he could 😂
Another way to remove the variable of arrow flex is shown in History's Strongest Disciple (not saying it's actually done, just that that's where I saw it and the logic tracks) where they basically hold it at the arrowhead and don't use it for any reach, just to have a sharp thing to cut people with.
Even the lighter target/hunting bow arrows could be used for stabbing with the right head on them...sure, it would probably break the arrow in the process.
One guy at what used to be an archery range ended up in the hospital from an arrow from a light "toy" bow that he dropped that had a rather nasty arrowhead on it that just the force from the drop had it pierce his shoe and into cut pretty deeply into his foot, that was not a pretty sight to see.
This guy makes me want to learn archery, I like that he doesn’t outright dismiss the fantasy setting and can liken it to the real world in some way. Most people try their hardest to show how unrealistic movies or games are
The thing with those is that it is often used in armor gaps to vulnerable spots, like eyes or the throat. Even if you don't go in deep, you're doing serious debilitating damage
Im not even an archer but i love this guys channel
I've seen a few of your shorts now and I'm loving them, loads of fun. Already subscribed
I swear, half of what makes these videos enjoyable is the way this guy speaks.
I want to say the popularity of this trope can be laid squarely at the feet of Legolas, since he’s the first I really remember doing this. But HE gets away with it because he’s a Tolkien-verse elf, who are capable of walking on snow and weaving threads of starlight. So casually using an arrow as a melee weapon doesn’t seem far fetched. Everyone else has no excuse
If I remember correctly it looks like Legolas was stabbing the Uruk-Hai in the eye.
I'd say it's just popular because archer characters are popular in fiction. If you have a fighter whose main advantage is shooting from far away, it's only natural to think about what they would do if that advantage was suddenly lost, and "stab with the pointy stick they're holding" is one of those more obvious choices.
@ela8549 Except in movies before _LOTR_ the way archer characters typically dealt with close quarters combat was to whip out a sword or a knife. See _Robin Hood_ or _Rambo._ The whole “stab em with an arrow" thing didn’t really show up until after _Fellowship of the Ring,_ and then all of a sudden every movie character with a bow and arrow started doing it
My guess is you'd want to be gripping the arrow more like about 6 inches from the point, minimizing the amount of shaft to flex. Also, I think they usually carried a dagger or small sword for just such an occurrence. Not to mention the fact that arrows take a bit of time to produce. I suppose we are talking about a last resort situation though.
FINALLY!!! Someone is answering these questions! Thank you!!!
This guy is exactly what I expected an archer would be.
I feel like I usually see an arrow stab as holding the arrow near the head and in icepick grip. Often while blitzing the opponent and possiby by pouncing on them.
And of course, you'd want to try to aim for weak points in the armor.
Actually shooting from the bow would probably be preferable though.
Oh yeah. This is something you only do if someone's managed to get in really, really close so that you can't get the bow up. And I'm guessing you'd have to be involved in some really frantic scrambled melee for that to happen before you can get a shot off from longer range
Probably didn't come up all that often
I appreciate this man going through all the trouble do show the differences between the hunting bow and war bows arrows
I love how much fun you’re having
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As I understand, in reality, archers were actually quite effective at close range. Their fighting style was much like you might see from a fantasy rogue.
any movement this man does, I'm falling for it
How fun! Thank you for being this delightful, random tidbit in my day 😊 *subscribed
how far behind on videos is this channel compared to insta and tik?
About 2 weeks I think at the moment. I'm quite sporadic with youtube uploading, because I usually run out of steam after TT, insta and tumblr, and of all of them, this app feels the most like shouting into the void in terms of the response. I can try to catch up
So interesting. I find this information so useful for my writing research. Also love the little wink at the end 😊
Your archery videos are really cool!
This was a fun surprise in my feed... fun video! And educational!
Thank you deer elf for sharing your knowledge of melee archery
Appreciate and love watching ur content brother. Over here in Canada 🇨🇦 ontario! Keep it up. I will keep supporting a fellow content creator!
The boop on the camera at the end was so cute... 🥺
It's funny that I found your channel right after I decided to take up archery again. Like, I thought to myself, "archery was always fun...I should get a bow and pick that up again" and then like the next day one if your videos popped up in my recommendations
I've known about different arrow heads, but the concept of "war arrows" are new to me. Great video!
Awesome demonstration !
I enjoy how he usually starts these videos with explaining how impractical whatever archery trope of the day is, before immediately coming up with a practical reason or method for using said trope and demonstrating it with absolute fucking panache.
Always wondered if this was a feasible move. Apparently, it is! Thanks for the awesome info.
also of note, it's usually a grip around 1/3 or 2/5th - past center at least - from the arrowhead, in a reverse grip, so you do actually get some force into it. sort of like an epi-pen stab
That’s why the English longbowmen carried hatchets and mallets. These were also used to make defensive sharpened stake barriers.
Thank you so much for validating my intrusive thoughts
Lovely and educational as always ^^
Honestly this makes me appreciate the bit where it happens in Legend of Vox Machina, because Vex specifically hits the guy in the ear and then the eye. Super soft and vulnerable places that would be easy af to stab
These are all very important discussions we're having.
The arrow boop was priceless!
Giving me some inspiration for some really brutal fights
“This is really unpractical”
*meanwhile*
Sniper: STAB STAB STAB
The little poke at the end. 😂👏🏻👏🏻
Good information on stabbing with arrows.
If an old man carrying a staff and wearing a giant grey hat comes to me for some “burglary” work, I’m only going to do it if this guy is in the party.
You got a new suscriber: a fan of roleplaying games.
Fascinating! :O
I love this.
I'd argue that a bodkin tip would be more effective as broadhead arrows have more surface area you need to push in and especially if the leather armor is still I'm effect. But Bodkin tips are made specifically to easily penetrate so you can stab deeper with less force even with the armor.
It just proves that Legolas had a great aim when stabbing someone’s jugular in battle, since any other part of the body wouldn’t be critically injured.
This mad lad got some ripped af calves. He doesnt skip leg day
Those last couple of stabs were personal lmao
Excellent. You're like the Tom Scott of archery facts!
I love this and I love you.
I love how there is not the slightest bit of padding on this video, no intro for the channel or even the topic just 'Arrow. No stab. Other arrow. Yes stab.'
The pointy stick is the quintessence of sapient violence. All that varies are the stick's hardness and how hard you stab with it.
All I can think of is "let me show you a magic trick. I will make this pencil disappear!" -Joker
I feel like this was very Legolas inspired. :P I’m very happy you put the text overlay on here, that wind was rough. Glad you weren’t trying to do any crazy long distance marksmanship that day. People all over your neighborhood would still be picking up arrows. 😂 Though if you have the space, a crazy crosswind archery video could be interesting. Since you like the fantasy settings, maybe you could do the setting as trying to hit a wind wizard or an Airbender.
You have a delightful accent. Thank you.
Dude has the build of a buff elf, respect
This guy makes up for the bad audio with excellent charisma.
"Random Archery Target! You have failed this City!"
You're the first content creator I've seen that's defending tropes instead of bashing them
My man be holding a grudge against that target. Where did it hurt you my friend ❤️
I love it when people make content about the things they are passionate about instead of doing what every other person is doing
My man got me intrigued by archery… I never thought I’d see the day
This guy is the canon archer
Much appreciated debunking of an overused trope, Atreus.
I'm glad u pointed it out 😜
I screamed when he dropped the quiver so nonchallantly off his back! Poor quiver!!!!
That was a cute smile at the End❤
thats the thing about a lot of "xyz trope in real life" analyses - they tend to examine modern equipment and techniques, and not what used to be the standard.
i remember fairly recently people complained about fighters in d&d being able to make 3 attacks plus move 30 ft. in 6 seconds - and yeah sure dnd doesnt accomodate for how exhausted youd be after doing that level of activity more than once in a day because its a fantasy game, someone posted a clip of themselves using an accurately weighted replica of a two handed sword striking a target about 4 times in less than six seconds with an invredible degree of maneuverability. medieval craftsmen were pretty incredible! they knew how to make things that we largely dont anymore turns out!
cool! thank you for your service!
This was weirdly instructional. Definitely would go into my "apocalypse took out all guns so we back to swords and bows" guide for self defense lmao
moral of the story: don't try to stab a deer, but if you're already in a battle do what you gotta do
this guy's great to watch if you're trying to build a bow-wielding character
That's why when the knights came slogging through the mud at Agincourt, they met fully-developed archers wielding war hammers and had their heads knocked in or off.
I think the main issue might be one of range. Stabbing with an arrow gives you a weapon on maybe 18 inch length from your grip. if your opponent has a sword or worse a spear, they will have already hit before the archer can reach them with the thrust.
That was exactly what I thought.
I still remember the treetrunks Joe Gibbs shot with his 160lbs bow.
bro really got himself in the first half ngl
Its also quite common for the arrow to already be broken in the arrow stab trope. Plus its often that the person stabbing eith an arrow is on top of the person they are stabbing. These two factors change how much penetration the arrow will get, even lighter arrows.
Depends on the spins of the arrow, where you hold it, the thickness, the length, the material.