EVERY EDIT MATTERS: Same Scene - Different Cut
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I took something completely different from the 2nd version.
She seemed vulnerable and in need of emotional support, while he is emotionally unavailable. His answer about the room felt like a deflection, like he didn't want to talk about how his day was or how he's feeling. She tries to continue with the small talk but he replies that he'll go to sleep and then we see that it's still daytime outside. She was completely shut off.
Felt the same. He answered quickly as if he wanted to end the call already. Lacks interests in her and just generally a bad relationship.
On the 3rd cut, however, it feels like he's just tired and with her smiling before continuing feels like she's just trying to be there for him.
I was typing out something very similar to this comment and then saw that you already said what I wanted to say.
I can only give you 1 like though :p.
@Michael Snyder I don't know how he did it in this scene, but you can add speed ramps to your footage in between lines of dialogue to simulate a pause.
Her sitting on the floor of the bathroom next to the toilet had meaning. The final version shows a disconnected relationship, compared to their previous scenes I imagine, but there's less tension. Also, if he's looking outside, it would've been better if the window shot wasn't a still frame with no movement at all. But, the video does indeed show the immense possibilities of the editor and the difficulty of the job.
A thought about the “you’re only as good as your footage” argument. I feel the way to test this would be to get some truly terrible amateur footage, and see if you can make something compelling or watchable out of it. Like, ask your family members to send you the footage they took from a holiday or birthday - could you turn that into something worth watching?
Back in school we had a little film project. And like the kids we were the footage was not really great.
Bad dialoges, shaky camera or out of focus on some scenes. No reshot in diffrent angles or anything.
But my brother, who we asked to help us with editing, managed to make something really good out of it.
I agree. Also it depends on the mood of the film and pace of it. Editor can make something great from a really bad footage or lack of it. But does it do justice to flow of story development and pace of it is something really challenging. There is no blanket thing about it.
Dude i am doing this while editing rn
Okay this is different because it contains music but your comment kinda reminds me of a video I edited based on a 14 seconds video ruclips.net/video/AY_IkZXrWag/видео.html
And that one ruclips.net/video/JCNoqKuYq8w/видео.html
Are you saying i leaned on a bidet all day for no reason?
-Teresa Palmer
Don’t underestimate the editor and the power of telling the story
this is what intimidates me sometimes. i get afraid when i watch videos like these and think that i have not added enough details in a minimal scene. it makes me rethink so many things, even though i already have a vision when i write the script. it makes me doubt that if i have even written the script in order, if the film/shortfilm will communicate to the viewer correctly. it's terrifying.
I get it. What helped me was to realize the only way to get better is to do it. Fail. Do it again. Grow.
@@ThisGuyEdits yes!
@PRIVATE thank you guys
"You're only as good as your footage"
*Star Wars disagreed with that*
I think that the reason that the final edit with him from the back convey his detachment, is because it has less information so we understand his emotional state based on his words and tone alone. When using his frontal closeup you can see that he is emotional and conflicted, which is probably what the director wanted him to convey, and as an editor probably what he would expect you to get through to the audience.
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The clock it ticking go for it fellow editors !
Yup. After shooting my first feature I found it shocking how much an actor's performance can be improved in the edit.
I learned more in under 7 minutes in this video than I learn in some courses that last an hour or more. Excellent commentary and walkthrough.
Goddamnit that third edit is beautiful. I just love how everything changes with subtext and subtle changes in edits
This is always interesting how a different editor can reshape a scene just by few changes. The tricky part is, how to do it correctly that the viewer can feel what you are trying to tell.
I recently found a clip from a short that i did, completely different timing and music and realized just how different they are but at the same time the same shots. Timing changes all.
i didn't it was possible to edit a scene like this in so many different ways! you truly can make art with little to no footage 👏👏👏👏👏 great video
Amazing! I thought that you'd show how adding some fancy effects would affect the scene, but I couldn't image that something so subtle could make that much of a difference.
Stuff like this is amazing to see the difference between a short scene and talked through! Super good stuff
the thing is tho, that ur literally changing the whole feel and context of a scene... its great that that can be achieved by just editing, but the director is not gonna be happy of the editor randomly add a bunch of subtext or change the feel of a scene...
This is why the director is always there while editing
Johan David rly depends on the production
Meh, this is also why editors exist.
The job of an editor is to work with the director to decide how the scene should feel. It's not like you do this without having the director involved in the process
@@joni1405 But the definition of "working with the director" can be bery loose. Sometimes the director needs a fresh vision that only the editor has because he was not on set or didn't work on the script. Sometimes the editor work alone a bit in order to throw something new in the mix which the director could not come up with. That's also an important part of the editor's job.
Crazy...yet incredible. Never saw editing like this. Thanks for the good example!
This is brilliant - I have done and keep going over the course. I highly recommend it.
This is so insightful and a good reminder to really reflect upon what wants to be said before weaving scenes together. Thank you !
Respect to all editors out there
I'm trying to learn from your experience so I first have some assumptions that I start with in an edit. These may be wrong as I have little experience with this but want to learn more. (My apologizes if I am pushy here. I seem to learn best by trying to determine what the assumptions are before I can formulate the questions. Some people find this challenging, which is not my intent, so I try to apologize right up front.)
*_ASSUMPTIONS_*
1. My understanding of how a screenplay is written is that every person in every scene had to have a goal and those goals are either accomplished or thwarted.
2. The director has shot those scenes in a way to evoke the desired feelings in the audience he is looking for so that this scene meshes with the whole movie.
3. If the editor changes the edit it might then make the scene before this one and after this one fail to accomplish what the director wants in the overall movie.
4. Should I assume that the director is there when this scene is edited and/or the editor is fully aware of what the director is wanting from this scene?
*_QUESTIONS_*
1. The man's line in your version of the edit (back on shot) was different from the the line used in the student edit. It has, "this fuck'n room" in the middle. Might that affect how the audience feels about the scene even more than the pauses or angle? (You also added an atmospheric drone sound very lightly in that scene too making it seem more ominous.)
2. Wouldn't the exercise be more useful if the editor was informed of what feeling the director was going for in this scene or did the student editor know that?
3. Am I missing the point of this lesson? Is this lesson intended to show how a scene can be edited to change the feeling the audience gets from it?
Thanks for a great channel. Peace!
yes..a single cut can change the flow and feel of the story. thanks fr sharing these precious tips 😍
Off topic but my man was great in Scott Pilgrim.
Love the videos Sven.
You know what you should do, maybe like a challenge, you should ask beginner filmmakers for footage from their short films(zero budget/low budget), and try to make the best edit possible as a professional Editor.
Good editing makes the whole greater than the sum of it's parts.
Ahhh, this video was very enjoyable. Most are good, this one gives a very clear example of an exercise. The end is eye opening....You decide where the scene "freak out" will take place in the room. I never imagined an editor could literally move the story - I thought the editor's hands were tied to what film was provided. (Yes, Just found this channel for Christmas and have been binge learning)
Levi's 3rd version really struck me because she pauses and looks likes she's trying to get through to him but it cuts to his back, showing now that he doesn't care. It was as if it was her point of view even when they're together: it's the same thing.
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OMG that last edit is sooo fucking good, i felt the emotion much more than i did looking at the actors faces, thats fucking film making. its also funny how you might hire an actor and they do incredible work on set only to cut them out half of the movie in the edit looool. Also there is something about back of head shots that is just so aesthetically pleasing!!
This is so nuanced it went right over my head. They all seem the same to me.
That's the beauty of edit!
Wow. Just wow. I've learned something new in this video.
Thanks for uploading.
Glad it was helpful!
This is so cool to see
I totally agree with you. Its the same with everything else in life
Most Important video!!!!🙏
Scenes are building blocks, and what you do with them is what makes you a storyteller.
Sehr interessante Aufgabe - ich fand die letztendlich fertige Szene definitiv am Besten.
Deine Erfahrungen in diesen Beiträgen sind spürbar und machen wirklich Lust auf deinen Kurs!
cool insights as always
I don't agree too. I think, the editor has more power than the person behind the camera. No matter what kind of footage, the editor has the power to create a feeling and, i call it, body or face for the movie.
thx ....i've learn alot from your channel
Very informative! Thumbs up!
This guy’s a genius.
Thank you
Ever see the retcut trailers where Mrs Doubtfire is a horror film, or Shining as a rom-com?
Editing is severely underappreciated as an art.
This proves that the edit can only be as good as the footage.
The editor and the writer (original and screenplay) are the two most important aspect of a "good/great" movie.
someone who doesn't think editing is important and a key part of a professional final product, doesn't know how to edit. That's it, hope you enjoyed my TEDTalk
The third one made me sad for him. I felt like I was in the room with him, kinda like sitting with a close friend while he's on the phone going through heartache with someone he loves. As soon as he hangs up I'd be ready with advice to help him get by. Hes still struggling so I offer to take him to a bar to clear his mind but he refused and says "I think I wanna just lay down". That was a great editing choice choice.
I love you man.
Just to play alittle devil's advocate here, and this is for the comment "You're only as good as the footage"... So, even after your examples I think this statement still holds true. If you didn't have the reverse or have the face shot of the husband talking and only had the shot of his back, don't you feel that you just would have been stuck with the original cut anyhow? Like you could still pause but you wouldn't quite have the same flexibility to see the expression in his face you would only just have the tone in his voice. Feel, what I am saying?
Exactly!
Agree. Multiple takes of the same scene, with different angles. Can only edit with what you have.
I think the point he is trying to make is that the phrase, "You're only as good as the footage" is an absolutist statement. If you look at your footage and think you can't do anything with it, is a defeatist belief. He's trying to encourage the idea of making an effort to make the footage work before you decide you can't.
There is a RUclips channel called, "CinemaTyler". One of his videos is about Stanley Kubrick and how he shot, "A Clockwork Orange". Kubrick made it , in part, because he wanted to show the studios that he could shoot a low budget film. And one of the techniques he used to keep the budget down, was that he shot very little coverage for each scene. Some scenes were limited to two camera angles, and others just one angle.
What it really comes down to is shot planning. If you have a shot list before the day you shoot, you will most likely cover what you need. Assuming you complete the list. In the end, it comes down to the film maker.
VFX Todd I’ll check that out
Great demo/promo. The course was closed by the time I clicked, but I signed up for email notifications. That said, a thought: would it be possible to offer a version of the course that is *just* module 1, or an expanded version of it? A true intro to editing for total beginners. That’s what I’d be most interested in.
i like example, it's very obviously to know about emotion.
Enjoyed this one Sven. It's amazing how small subtle changes make such a big impact on the feel of the story and our emotional attachment and involvement.
Man, great video, tells a lot. And it depends on how much freedom the director give to the editor also isn't it?
Even if director give freedom, producer will take it again.. There is no freedom :D but good ones are trust their director and good directors trust their editors like Sven..
Your footage is what you've got?! Ever heard of a little movie called STAR WARS!? At its test screenings it was a jumbled, incoherent mess - but George Lucas got a great team of editors together and they rearranged and cut to make the Star Wars we know and love. The head editor did such a good job Lucas married her!
Great
Because of the pauses the intensity of the words and meaning changes.
How do you prevent or get rid of light flicker when shooting 120 slo mo?
There is another problem. The scene with guys back, for example, might be recognised as a lie: he wants to go out, to the city. In case person watches it without commentary. Same visual and logic "clues" are attached in people minds to different feelings
how is this channel so underrated????????????????????
Well, they have almost half million subscribers, so it's not that underrated.
I got a editing job putting together a crappy live performance for a band no one has ever known of. The "Footage" consisted of iphone footage form members of the crowd, so shaky you can't see the stage. and one Red camera shooting in 4k so no matter what I did each cut would have a drastic change in quality. not to mention, no audio. After dubbing the song over the footage, adding some minor filters to help hide the change in quality, and making some pretty cool transitions from the people walking in front of the camera it wasn't bad. took about two weeks to make okay but not bad. I sent them the video and they blamed me for the shakiness. I told them it was the footage and they asked me to restart the whole project. I told them no.
I'm literally a potato in editing and this video helped the potato.
thanks bro.
Hi : Could you please answer this question? How much of editing is planned in pre production and during story boarding. I understand some changes can happen during post ... but if editor changes too much, it can end up being different than director's vision right?
Honestly, because I know there’s more dialogue I just feel like I’m missing so much more than what’s actually going on when watching the third edit.
Nice video bro¡
Wow, amazing. But now how am I supposed to come up with my own version for the course will all these preconceived notions in my head! ;)
an editor with a strong POV usually values their take on a scene over any others, and if they keep their ego in check they'll be very accommodating to the director too :)
can you please tell what should a cinematographer keep in mind about editing while filming?
Hey, really cool video. Just wanted to say the link in the description is miswritten, the are two i in "editor"
great catch. thank you!!
@@ThisGuyEdits No problem 😉
I liked the first cut better till 2:04 because to me when he says "same, it is pretty much same" it feels like that is the moment he realizes the routiness of the conversation, starts looking around and then conveys verbally by saying it might be the same room. I would then cut to scene 3:28 to show that she realizes the hollowness in his reply and the conversation and then again asks a routine question of what he is going to do later on the night (Her pause in the scene enhances it). This would have been better to me because it shows them both checking themselves out of the conversation. Although my take is only taken in the context of this one video and not any other videos related to the feature shown in this video. In short I would like the scene to be 1:51 to 2:04 and then 3:28.
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Track id in the start of the video?
0:17 , I disagree with that too. When I sometimes need to make a video for school while filming when I'm tired or whatever I always think well this is gonna be terrible. But when I edit it I think, this isn't to bad actually
I really like your work, it's informative. I wish your course told me the price before I have to set up a username a password, it's a sneaky way of getting contact information before people see any pricing. Thanks
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My God daughter is playing with video editing (10 yrs) i told her "There's something you should know about a cut, There's emotional infinity between every cut" But only if you find it" (;
Can u tell the name of editing software you are using
DaVinci Resolve
what film is that?
Komisch, blöder YT Algorithmus, mir wurden die letzten 3 Videos nicht angezeigt. Jetzt muss ich die bingen ;) Dafür jetzt die Glocke. Aber: Seit wann benutzt du Resolve!!??? :)
I’m guessing the meaning of the popular saying is that if you have really bad footage, no matter how good you are, the job would not be considered really good. I take it more as “you can be good up to the footages’s content level”.
Hi This Guy This Guy Edit, I got a question for you, When you edit arranging all the clips back and front according to the Story that You feel is Correct, and after spending hours in front of the Monitor somewhere in time somebody , may be your clint, or other person who have no editing skills tells you the edit wasn't Correct, or maybe tells you that the sequence or alignment of all the clips were in correct. You bring a very experienced in your work. How to react to both different types of situation??? Does your ego keep Coming.
If the director asks me to make a change, I will do it, mostly without questioning their reasoning. Occasionally, I will try to persuade them to reconsider, but only if I think it is a film-defining moment that needs to be protected. But even then I won't ever insist, because there's always a chance that I'm wrong and the director is the one that usually carries the vision for the film. When it comes to audience members, it depends: If one guy has a note and another guy doesn't have a problem with the way it's cut, then that's a tie, and I usually keep it the way it is. But if five out of five audience members raise the same issue, then I probably should make a change. But even here, I usually ignore their ideas on how to fix it. I listen to the problem and come up with my fix.
@@ThisGuyEdits okay!! So how often do you take reviews from the audiences, people who are viewers. Before the movie makes it to the final form. I mean do you always have the feelings or confidence that people will always accept the final form.??
I always thought that the director is determining what the scene should feel like. Is it going to be single shot behind the back or not.
"Dailies" means we get everyday a new RAW footage scene to practice ?
I salut you master
Now you know how the news media works
In fact, I would like the 3rd students version...but with a larger pause...and a deep breath...
I guess it's all about personal preference. Nothing right but nothing wrong. Just different.
I get the point hes trying to make with this video and I totally agree with him but THIS particular example just wasn't it. Maybe some other example would've been better.
Good video star wars was saved in the edit
Forgive my absolute ignorance in the world of movie editing, but I have a question. Isn't a decision, such as taking out lines, or using another take, a directorial decision? I know that this process isn't final, and the raw result would be passed around, but I feel like the person that would be making such decisions has to be the director, or the screenwriter at least.
Can we see this movie somwhere?
right here: www.theeveraftermovie.com
Take that pause. Detachment.
Beaut
But it literally changes the context of the scene too? It's good if the director wants it anyways it's good to have options xd
the thumbnail was a clickbait , you do not need an clickbait to get us watching you ;)
Comedian Bill Burr talks about the importance of editing on Joe's Rogan Podcast: ruclips.net/video/GO_rW0Bvy1I/видео.html
Lego builders know all of this
It's the Same, *everything is pretty much the same* 😂.
ok but if you want the audience to feel a certain way that doesn't mean the Director can't just come in and ask you to cut it a different way although you can always fight your corner.
Y’all go watch the original grind house cut of Star Wars, yeah not much of a classic now huh