The Social Network: How Editing Turned a Conversation into a Masterpiece

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  • Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024

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  • @GastorAlmonte
    @GastorAlmonte Год назад +2632

    Also - I think we get to experience the conversation from her perspective because we aren’t meant to watch this and relate to/like Mark. We end up feeling for Eduardo later in the move, and that’s easier to do if during Mark’s first scene, we side with Erika over Mark.

    • @NathanaëlAnstadt
      @NathanaëlAnstadt Год назад +14

      Thats the biggest problem with the social network as a whole; it’s written from Eduardo’s perspective and therefore suffers from important bias…

    • @louispacetime1576
      @louispacetime1576 Год назад +62

      @@NathanaëlAnstadtit really isn’t lmaoo

    • @Protaneum
      @Protaneum Год назад +25

      Even if it is biased wouldn't matter. This video is about techniques which are useful for whatever your motive may be. The cuts and methods he describes are solid.

    • @NathanaëlAnstadt
      @NathanaëlAnstadt Год назад +1

      @@louispacetime1576 it totally is; I think Mark was more wrong than Eduardo but we’re not talking about quite as black and white as you might imagine

    • @ilyrenjun
      @ilyrenjun Год назад +25

      @@NathanaëlAnstadtt’s not a documentary though. it’s a semi-fictional retelling and it doesn’t necessarily have to be unbiased

  • @HarryInEdi
    @HarryInEdi Год назад +452

    4:10 Your attention to her eyes glancing, and his head turning, just earned my subscription. I hadn't seen that, it's really natural and realistic, but also tells us so much about his mindset. The fact that I hadn't noticed it consciously proves how well that action and edit emulated the subtle visual clues you pick up in real life. Clearly everyone else agrees, as it's the most replayed moment. Thanks for that.

    • @rosieposiebias
      @rosieposiebias 10 месяцев назад +2

      Genuine question here: wdym by "but also tells us so much about his mindset"? Which mindset?

    • @HarryInEdi
      @HarryInEdi 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@rosieposiebias Maybe 'mindset' isn't the right word - I could have said 'state of mind'. I'll explain:
      We don't know why she looked left twice, but what is interesting to me is that Zuckerberg follows her gaze the second time. At the start of the scene, he was full of confidence and disdain. But now she's chewing him out, and then by following her gaze...-
      1) he seems insecure. Perhaps he wonders what she's seeing, who she's looking at, what she's thinking, where she is drawing inspiration from. She's unpredictable now, and he seems a little less comfortable - perhaps even anxious.
      2) he has lost control. He is now reacting, looking where she 'makes' him look. (obviously I'm not saying this is her aim, but he subconsciously can't help it).
      3) His glance left also hints that he is kind of looking for 'help', a way out of a situation that has turned uncomfortable.
      I probably could extract a few more reasons. As with all literature and film, it's very subjective, and you can find more meanings than the original writer/director probably ever intended. I suspect this could be excellent improvised acting from Jesse Eisenberg, and it represents a subconscious sort of anxiety.

    • @rosieposiebias
      @rosieposiebias 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@HarryInEdi got it!! Thanks for your explanation. It's an interesting perspective, and I agree with it...

  • @KevinIssa
    @KevinIssa Год назад +474

    This is a fantastic explanation of this scene. Fincher and the editor here are flexing their grasp of the story and it works so well. I love how at the end when she walks off the reaction shot is a slightly elevated tilted down wide angle to symbolize how small he now feels comparatively after what’s just happened. It’s a quick cut but it’s like a chef’s kiss at the end of an already masterfully executed scene.

  • @jamesblair2713
    @jamesblair2713 Год назад +291

    I loved your inclusion of the shot of them as equals in the alternate take. Really emphasizes how shot choice can imply information and deliver a feeling to the viewer.

    • @jout738
      @jout738 Год назад +1

      How six minute conversation in some bar is still so intresting to everybody, when I could not care less about their conversation.

    • @spook407
      @spook407 Год назад +6

      @@jout738didn’t you specifically click on this video about this specific conversation?

  • @createdsoicancomment2833
    @createdsoicancomment2833 Год назад +1461

    If you pay attention to the drinks on the table. Mark's has much more beer in his glass than Erika. During the scene, Mark is the only one drinking. He seems to take a sip every time he feels pressure/uncomfortable. Erika on the other hand, never touches her drink. The glasses of beer symbolize the power struggle between the two. Mark feels he is superior thus having more beer at the start. By the end of the convo, the level of beer is equal in both of their glasses, symbolizing Mark's loss of power in their relationship. They are now on equal ground. Of course it is at this point, Erika breaks up with him. Mark attempts to take another drink but stops himself because the power struggle is over.

    • @anotheryoutubeuser
      @anotheryoutubeuser Год назад +38

      No, it's just a continuity error.

    • @createdsoicancomment2833
      @createdsoicancomment2833 Год назад +145

      @@anotheryoutubeuser David Fincher is VERY deliberate. This is not a continuity error. Not at all. Watch the scene again. The amount Mark's character drinks and what is left in the cup, is very precise. This is a well crafted symbol.

    • @cutting-concepts
      @cutting-concepts  Год назад +320

      Interesting! I always interpreted that as characterization rather than symbolism (not to say there isn’t room for both, just my take on it is all.)
      Mark drinks because that’s what all the people around him are doing, it’s what people expect you to do in a bar-he’s trying to live up to the social expectation.
      Erica doesn’t drink because she has to study later, and she doesn’t care what strangers think, or maybe more specifically, doesn’t want to be defined by others' expectations (which is she breaks up with him and then Mark betrays again later by blogging about her.)
      When Erica leaves, Mark looks arounds, goes to drink, realizes it’s not socially acceptable to drink alone, and then promptly leaves.

    • @lastcuneyt3334
      @lastcuneyt3334 Год назад +17

      It’s a bar lol it’s the norm to drink it’s weird trying to make something common & normal into something complex for no real reason

    • @tsktsktusk5584
      @tsktsktusk5584 Год назад +30

      @@lastcuneyt3334 but it's also weird not to make something complex when making a movie

  • @landonweldy5468
    @landonweldy5468 Год назад +116

    Fincher’s use of the close up is so effective. He saves it for the strongest line/reaction in a scene. Compare it to bay where every shot is given the same weight

  • @loldoctor
    @loldoctor Год назад +43

    Brilliant video. As an artist, though not a filmmaker, I've come to appreciate more and more the power of the choice. Specifically, the choice of when to use something powerful, when to sing a discordant note in a song or break a rhyming pattern in a poem. I think the close-up at the end of this scene is a brilliant example of those choices, not because the editor chose to use a close-up for that line--that much is fairly obviously--but because it's not the first time they used it. By establishing the audience's proximity to the characters earlier in the scene, they can use the power of a close-up together with the power of a poignant line in a way that doesn't draw attention to itself. We feel it like an emotion, not a choice. And that's the power of the choice.

  • @PhoenixPalmer88
    @PhoenixPalmer88 Год назад +6

    I’m fully aware that Social Network is heavily dramatized from actual events. Goddamn is it one of my favorite movies though, just an absolute pleasure to watch.

  • @lanceareadbhar
    @lanceareadbhar Год назад +6

    Step 1: Framing
    Step 2: Learn how to do Step 1
    Step 3: Learn as much as you can about movies before shooting the scene
    Step 4: Shoot the scene
    Step 5: Watch the scene and continue learning and experimenting to make improvements over time

    • @Bapuji42
      @Bapuji42 Год назад

      Step 6: Throw it in the garbage can.

  • @NimoClancy
    @NimoClancy Год назад +42

    This is exactly the video I needed to see right now.
    I'm going into my final year exam at school, and I have to make a short film for drama class.
    I've liked my story, but something about the way I've done test shots felt flat to me.
    This really helped put into perspective the usage of different shots, and how to contrast one type of shot from another
    Thank you

    • @ad16
      @ad16 Год назад

      May we see the result ?!

    • @NimoClancy
      @NimoClancy Год назад

      @@ad16 Within the coming weeks ill be allowed to post it. Its still in the prosess of being marked, however yes, I'd love to display it soon.

    • @ad16
      @ad16 Год назад

      @@NimoClancy Looking forward to it :)

    • @NimoClancy
      @NimoClancy Год назад

      @unknownchannel8394 just published it now :)

  • @florianizer
    @florianizer Год назад

    This is a great example of how a dialogue scene with simple shots can be interesting. When a film's dialogue scene edited like this becomes boring it's often not because of the back and forth shots but rather the theme of the conversation isn't appropriate for this kind of editing. Excellent dissection!

  • @insaknighty
    @insaknighty Год назад +7

    the cutting back and forward reminds me of a comic, dialogue per shot usually being limited to one sentence so the shot doesn't feel stale.

  • @carsonic_
    @carsonic_ 7 месяцев назад

    I've come back to rewatch this several times it is very insightful to think about, especially at the end where you show what it could have been (just the wide shot). The imact that editing has on the delivery of a movie is astounding.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Месяц назад

      Always remember that in filmmaking, the audience never sees what the director (and editor) doesn't want them to see. And conversely, the entire point is to influence them by showing what they *DO* want the audience to see (or feel). That's one of the most significant differences between a film and a live production: CHOICE.

  • @anonymoustr3536
    @anonymoustr3536 Год назад +45

    dude keep making videos like this please because the very simple things that are the basis of cinema are often little known 🙏

  • @stevensavoie856
    @stevensavoie856 Год назад +2

    I hope that content like this will help people understand what good editing actually is.
    It's certainly not adding flashy motion graphics or visual effects.
    Every time i come across a comment that says "The editing of this is truly masterful" it takes me a few seconds of 'wtf, no it wasn't' before I realize they are talking about the addition of cartoon tears flowing down the subjects face or steam coming out of their ears.

  • @bagamol_22
    @bagamol_22 Год назад +18

    the content of this video is so good. it's concise, short and actually educational. I saw the titles of your other videos and I can see a clear idea behind this channel. I hope you will continue to be truthful for this mindset and become a succesful youtuber in the future, just keep making videos.

  • @christoph6407
    @christoph6407 Год назад +11

    I like this video especially because it gets the point across in a very short amount of time! Other youtubers should take this as an example.

  • @SashaCole
    @SashaCole Год назад +22

    Great video! Shoutout to my favorite editing software and movie in the same sequence, Resolve and The Social Network. Thanks for teaching me why I love this movie so much. I’ll definitely takeaway some of these key points. Keep up the great work on these breakdowns!

  • @orbitforcreators
    @orbitforcreators Год назад +1

    Dude this breakdown is so well done and it's the perfect length.
    This recommendation actually send me down a binge on your channel. Looking forward to see what's next.

  • @upscaledrunways
    @upscaledrunways Год назад +6

    i liked the explanations of the single shot vs the close up and the effect it gives and how reactions build up the pace of the scene due to rapid scene switching. overall 10/10 video

  • @xuntouchablex6879
    @xuntouchablex6879 Год назад +5

    This video is tremendousnly underrated. Awesome stuff!

  • @Theomite
    @Theomite Год назад +15

    See, what's weird is that I noticed most of this subconsciously and about half of it consciously. It's so strange to see how much you saw without being fully aware of it. Kinda simultaneously disturbing and awesome.

  • @prasadkumar6739
    @prasadkumar6739 Год назад +4

    I recently found your Chanel and i really appreciate your efforts to make quality content. Thank you so much.

  • @kristinpepper2348
    @kristinpepper2348 Год назад +5

    lol..."then the conversation gets faster"...as he hits fast forward.... this guy LMAO so much smoke

  • @WheresWill
    @WheresWill Год назад

    These simple conversation scenes from Fincher are what made me a fan. He did it time and time again in Mindhunter, RIP

  • @iRicardoTM
    @iRicardoTM Год назад

    As an introverted, when I first read the miniature I thought this video was about how to cut a conversation. You know, when you don't feel like talking to someone but she/he won't stop talking to you... then I read the title.

  • @DanArnets1492
    @DanArnets1492 Год назад +4

    A good confrontational dialogue should be shot and edited like a good fight scene... and David Fincher sure knows that - You could probably find a 5-minute fight scene with very similar cuts

  • @jordanhouze1609
    @jordanhouze1609 Год назад +5

    excellent breakdown

  • @Jimmyisabot
    @Jimmyisabot Год назад +1

    This movie was done so well it's entirely unsurprising how well it assassinated Mark Zuckerberg's real life character, for example the entirety of the breakup is a bogus fiction, even his obsession with fraternities or unnecessarily hostile engagements with his coworkers, even to the extent of the Winklevoss twins and how he conducts business.
    Mark is such a standup dude, as good of a movie this is I don't think any human deserves this

  • @auguststudios11
    @auguststudios11 Год назад +5

    this is great man! keep it coming, im subscribing!

  • @namnack
    @namnack Год назад +3

    This is just over-analyzing the scene in question. It's like the product of a trolling AI.

  • @danieldiaz9948
    @danieldiaz9948 Год назад +10

    Do they have all five cameras rolling at the same time? Or do they shoot a bunch of different takes with cameras setup in each angle ?

    • @patrickstar4975
      @patrickstar4975 Год назад +2

      For complete different angles they use different takes and cut them together. If the angles are only slightly different it’s possible they have other cameras rolling.

    • @Novastar.SaberCombat
      @Novastar.SaberCombat Месяц назад +1

      Yes and also yes.

  • @onuohaudochukwu6180
    @onuohaudochukwu6180 Год назад +5

    This is very helpful. Thanks for making it

  • @LycorisLilyP
    @LycorisLilyP Год назад

    Monogatari is good at making long conversations interesting to watch/read

  • @senshai1267
    @senshai1267 Год назад +1

    this scene is just unforgettable

  • @FrancisFilmsYT
    @FrancisFilmsYT Год назад

    Great work on this vid buddy! Stellar stuff 👏

  • @teng9556
    @teng9556 Год назад

    "it'll be because you're an asshole" is one of the hardest bits of dialogue in any movie ever

  • @NekoHibaCosplay
    @NekoHibaCosplay Год назад +1

    All I thought about at the end of the scene, apart from the ego-crushing final blow, was the waste of two nice beers that were left on the table.
    When I broke up with my gf we were respectful to the point of actually finishing our beers before flipping each other

  • @kylem03000
    @kylem03000 Год назад

    A good combo to take someone brilliant visually like Fincher and combine with someone with just good dialogue like Sorkin.

  • @dariosaenz940
    @dariosaenz940 Год назад

    I love how you dissected this scene and talked about its form, nonetheless I don't think personally, but this doesn't apply for every case, that we need to make a conversation interesting, a conversation per se could be really interesteing if the dialogue is written adequately and obviously there is always gonna be editing so we can make the conversation even more interesting. My point is, if the content of the film is well made, we can use the form just to embelish the moment not the other way around, but thats just me dont hate me.

  • @yasser.elansari
    @yasser.elansari Год назад +3

    Subscribed. Incredible analysis. Thank you good sir.

  • @stemue
    @stemue Год назад

    I'm glad the algo recommended this channel to me 👍

  • @kvazimozi_EN
    @kvazimozi_EN Год назад +1

    Appreciate these great technical insights on this amazing scene, in this nice video, thank you!

  • @johncostello4565
    @johncostello4565 Год назад

    Fincher direction with Sorkin dialog - yeah it’s good.

  • @gabysosa3595
    @gabysosa3595 Год назад

    We need more of these ‼️

  • @Beautyofanime1
    @Beautyofanime1 Год назад +3

    You’re over thinking it my bro

  • @DominikMBlock
    @DominikMBlock Год назад +1

    great video!
    really liked the explaination and visualisation of the editing.

  • @sandymakesplans
    @sandymakesplans Год назад

    is this everything i want from a video essay? will update with the answer after watching 👇🏼
    surprisingly, not quite, but almost. subtitles not auto-generated, the narration not interrupting their dialogue and instead opting for pauses--these 2 changes would make this the video essay to rival lessons from the screenplay days.

  • @JJW410
    @JJW410 Год назад +2

    Love this breakdown but can't Mrak's slightly shorter screentime just be attributed to him simply talking quicker. It seems like a fairly insignificant time difference for the audience to notice.

  • @pimppopotamustard
    @pimppopotamustard Год назад +1

    that's a very low bar for the word "masterpiece"

  • @alexanderrichtertd
    @alexanderrichtertd Год назад

    Really great breakdown with clear edit visualizations!
    The Shawshank Redemption next?

  • @CapitulationTrader
    @CapitulationTrader Год назад

    Thanks for the lesson!

  • @Citizenflaba
    @Citizenflaba Год назад +3

    Not to be contradictory for its own sake but to genuinely question something, cinema/film/video is a young field and yet the “logic” expectations and “language” seems to be rigidly defined. At least by the majority of people who are enthusiasts, the community, the people who participate in this culture as producers and consumers.
    The academy awarding this movie for what it sees as the goal, as what should be done. But we should question the academy since it’s quite integrated into capitalism and it’s profit motives it’s ideology Neo-liberalism (not trying to say I’m either a liberal or conservative btw just analysis).
    While this is certainly a way and they say the majority sees as optimal/“cinematic”/Oscar worthy/mainstream we would do well to question how such a young field is so rigid and at the behest of an academy that is overwhelmingly male and white (80%+ white in 2022)
    This isn’t to neg on your analysis this is quite helpful but perhaps any mention of the factors I mentioned would be useful in reminding this community that the field actually seems quite samey obsessive about references and homages

    • @cutting-concepts
      @cutting-concepts  Год назад +6

      I agree!
      The Academy Award is not _the_ standard for filmmaking, just simply a standard-I’d perhaps argue that it has become the American standard, that is to say, predominately capitalist, white, male, and English speaking.
      And keeping in mind that success is not defined by the mainstream is crucial to learning about and innovating in any art form. To be limited by any narrow definition of success or quality constrains the possibility of the expression of genuine ideas and experiences.
      Ultimately though, through the cosmic lottery, a lot of my film education and inspiration comes by way of the American mainstream, and that’s something I've been looking to expand by experiencing more films with different perspectives.
      A RUclips comment is a terrible medium for nuance, so I’ve probably haven’t got my point across well, but all of this is to say it’s something I try to keep in mind when discussing editing and films in general!

  • @Foreverdell
    @Foreverdell Год назад

    Incredible video. Thanks for your insight. 🎥

  • @Spacesnakes474
    @Spacesnakes474 Год назад +2

    Can also never forget that Rooney Mara is just much prettier and nicer too look at than Jesse Eisenberg hahaha.

  • @kritichaplot5025
    @kritichaplot5025 Год назад

    Why spend more time with Erika in this scene Mark, the protagonist? Well cos she's the muse.
    Wonderful video!

  • @harywhiteproductions
    @harywhiteproductions Год назад +2

    Great work!!

  • @EmerCalhoun
    @EmerCalhoun Год назад

    Excellent analysis.Thank you.

  • @ehdrake
    @ehdrake Год назад

    Interesting. Consider more focus in your edits, as this will alter perspective and tone. Simple but effective. Thank you!

  • @HARLEMSNEWVOICE
    @HARLEMSNEWVOICE Год назад

    I love this video please make 100 more like it

  • @samrunsads
    @samrunsads Год назад

    Great video, dawg.

  • @pablom6708
    @pablom6708 Год назад

    Super enjoyable vid, subscribed!

  • @cybren2
    @cybren2 Год назад +1

    That was the shortest 6 min video I ever watched. Very well done

  • @aaronthecameraguy
    @aaronthecameraguy Год назад

    This was fascinating, thank you.

  • @icyjaam
    @icyjaam Год назад

    Very neat analysis

  • @TheJonnyEnglish
    @TheJonnyEnglish Год назад +2

    My guy always sounds like he’s about to yawn. I yawn like every five minutes watching your videos

  • @harshadasalve7380
    @harshadasalve7380 Год назад +1

    Loki and Sylvie train scene please 🥺

  • @edelmantoamendola
    @edelmantoamendola Год назад

    Always forget that's Rooney Mara. This had to be before The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, she was great in that.

  • @abymathew575
    @abymathew575 Год назад

    wow really interesting

  • @jking7519
    @jking7519 Год назад +17

    Very informative analysis for a person of my skill level. How long did it take you to produce and edit this? My guess is 80 hours.

  • @julianbanega8352
    @julianbanega8352 Год назад

    Drive creators should have seen this video

  • @RektYuan
    @RektYuan Год назад

    Great analysis!

  • @jonmarcmondor
    @jonmarcmondor Год назад

    Amazing video

  • @mattydi3
    @mattydi3 Год назад

    Next conversation...coffee shop in Heat!

  • @ramapatitripathi13
    @ramapatitripathi13 Год назад

    Nice one

  • @CameronBrooks
    @CameronBrooks 9 месяцев назад

    How many of you were kind of amazed that the 20 year anniversary of the founding of Facebook also happened to occur in the exact same day as the explosion of the Chinese Spy Ballon? Interesting because the first sentence of this film involved geniuses from China 😂

  • @anti-youTV
    @anti-youTV Год назад

    awesome awesome!!!

  • @nikilragav
    @nikilragav Год назад

    How do you change the color in Resolve?

  • @sebastianvettel4443
    @sebastianvettel4443 Год назад

    very good video

  • @Ganychan
    @Ganychan Год назад

    On top of that, she's on the left side of the screen, the "good" side for a western brain, si she's presented as a protagonist and him, the antagonist. If you didn't know what the movie was, you'd think she's the main character. But the movie is about the "villain".

  • @RDG2016
    @RDG2016 Год назад

    I wonder how much thought a director gives to these sequences

  • @universpro7741
    @universpro7741 Год назад

    Why is their hair cut out?

  • @hanis396
    @hanis396 Год назад

    Good video. Subscribed.

  • @tatatatov
    @tatatatov Год назад +1

    The music is distracting & a bit irritating. The information is great

  • @Shayne10998
    @Shayne10998 Год назад

    I made a project about this and continuity editing for film studies and failed💀

  • @timothyboush4767
    @timothyboush4767 Год назад

    what a great video holy shit

  • @mosespf
    @mosespf Год назад

    Greatest movie ever

  • @bryanherrera6161
    @bryanherrera6161 Год назад

    I will make a video talking about the edition of this video essay

  • @lc7ineo
    @lc7ineo Год назад

    Not a bad movie, but all I can hear is the guy from the meme video saying: "It's not that deep... ITS NOT THAT DEEP"

  • @drewevans3054
    @drewevans3054 Год назад +4

    It boggles the mind that this lost out to The King’s Speech for best picture

  • @harywhiteproductions
    @harywhiteproductions Год назад

    Could you please do one on the editing of Dunkirk?

    • @cutting-concepts
      @cutting-concepts  Год назад +4

      I'll add it to the list...along with all the films that have won best film editing! Anything in specific about it you'd want to see covered?

    • @harywhiteproductions
      @harywhiteproductions Год назад +1

      @@cutting-concepts Thank you! Mainly how it creates a sense of cohesion despite having three stories being told simultaneously, and how it creates tension. Also look into how the music corresponds to the visuals

    • @cutting-concepts
      @cutting-concepts  Год назад +2

      Good idea! Reminds me of a video by This Guy Edits from a few years back: ruclips.net/video/C2eHpxOzjqY/видео.html&ab_channel=ThisGuyEdits
      Of course I’d have my own take on the subject, but definitely worth a watch

    • @GomteshUpadhye
      @GomteshUpadhye Год назад +2

      @@harywhiteproductions I personally felt telling the story in three different timelines was a bad/ ineffective choice. I never felt the tension for the pilot running out of fuel. He just kept flying throughout the story. Thoughts?

  • @abdurrahman89876
    @abdurrahman89876 Год назад

    Graet job

  • @hugoziel
    @hugoziel Год назад

    Every Frame a Painting ruined the community, how ironic.

  • @aydc6740
    @aydc6740 Год назад

    tár needed this

  • @soklamon
    @soklamon Год назад

    nice!

  • @markod5901
    @markod5901 Год назад

    If only George Lucas saw this before making the prequels

  • @fogelmclovin2694
    @fogelmclovin2694 Год назад

    The Editing Academy Award lost all credibility when they gave it to Bohemian Rhapsody.

  • @NeoKillPro7
    @NeoKillPro7 Год назад

    great job!!

  • @annaczgli2983
    @annaczgli2983 Год назад +2

    Boring. Needs more jump cuts.

  • @jannis11
    @jannis11 Год назад

    NaIce