Thor’s Endgame: How A Russo Restored The God of Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In the first of many videos on Avengers: Endgame, we chart the development of Thor across the MCU and discuss how The Russo Brother's controversial decision to introduce us to 'Fat Thor', represents an excellent turning point in his character arc.
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I still think my favorite moment in the Thor and Frigga scene is when Rocket asks what Thor is doing, and Frigga just responds with "Sometimes it takes a second." She has no doubt that Thor is worthy. That moment always hits home for me.
Bro. You just gave a new meaning to the line. I was always sure it meant she didnt know but now im here thinking she probably never doubted. I thank you for this golden line.
@@caskett2585 Yeah I always watch this scene. It fills me up with motherly warmth. You can see how Frigga has full faith in Thor
"The film makes a point of showing that being depressed or unhappy never means you're unworthy". That sentence gave me goosebumps.
Japmeet Singh ah thanks dude
As someone in a slump, I needed that.
Such an important sentiment, and it's great to see it get an audience.
Is that before or after he's constantly made fun of for it? They turned depression and PTSD into a joke.
Zech Rojas no they didn’t. They represented it realistically. Lots of people turn to humour in the face of extreme trauma, and lots of friends and acquaintances have no idea how to deal with it. Just because your experience (or, it sounds like, lack of) isn’t exactly like this doesn’t mean it’s a joke.
When he said “I went for the head” the despair in his voice is heartbreaking.
In my theater cheered. I was shocked and it didnt feel like a win. It felt like we lost again
@@smrttgrl In my theater, there was cheering when they pinned Thanos down. The moment Thor chopped off his head and said his line... the room became filled with an eerie silence.
Yet people had the audacity to laugh at that scene smh
@@madtitanthanos7898 I wouldn't really hold it against them. The scene directly before it was *seemingly* triumphant. So what Thor said could easily be taken as a quip, which the MCU is fairly well known for. Especially since his delivery isn't over the top, and the true meaning of what the scene meant is moreso in the subtext. Which can be one of the easier to overlook things when watching a movie
@@MrSeals1000 yeah but the beginning 20 minutes had almost NO humor. Besides MAYBE when Tony mentioned to Pepper to not post the message on social media. But that wasnt even supposed to be funny to me.
"Let me do something good, something right" is such a heartbreaking line. He's done so much good and saved so many people, but the shame of his failure has poisoned the memory his every accomplishment. Despite the pep talk from his mum, he still thinks that the most valuable thing he has to contribute is his own death.
His whole arc in the movie just hit me to my core, I relate to his pain so much, especially with what you point out here, sometimes we feel all we have left to give or have control over is giving away our life and we forget everything else, all the good, and even advice or help from people we love.
I think it was shown so well in the movie, still makes me cry everytime I watch those scenes, you can see the pain in his eyes, and it's heartbreaking.
i dont think thor thinks snapping would kill him. and i dont think Tony thought it would kill him either. but the strain was so great that it did.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It's heavily implied that whoever does it will die, the reason Bruce takes it is because of the gamma connection and he thinks that gives him the best chance.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It was never about Thor dying from doing the snap. He just wasn't mentally stable enough to be able to do what he needed to do; undo the snap. Thor in that state would want to bring EVERYONE back (his parents, his people, as well as everyone who died due to Thanos even before the snap), which would've failed as we've seen with how Banner struggled up until he gave up on bringing Black Widow back. Once he gave up the hope of bringing her back to life, he was able to snap his fingers.
Thor would have kept struggling up until it burnt him into ashes. So he would have died, AND failed again. Tony wasn't going to let that happen to his friend. Banner was the only one who was both mentally stable enough, and physically powerful enough to do the snap properly. Tony was mentally stable enough, but he was just a normal human so he wasn't powerful enough to survive the damage. It's such a multi-layered scene that was done so well without outright explaining itself.
SAY THANKS TO YOU MOM
The “I’m still worthy!” line still chokes me up. As someone with a lot of self-esteem issues, seeing the smile of pure happiness come across his face as he realizes that he IS indeed still worthy just makes me feel great.
And to think he ever doubted shows his vulnerability. Such a moving moment
the “still” will play out in Thor, Love and Thunder
If anyone reading this feels similar, check out Louise Hay's mirror work.
In all honesty, though, as someone who goes through depression intermittently, seeing the MCU have the balls to tackle the subject matter was gratifying. I wasn't aware anyone took issue with Fat Thor; for me, it was a perfect culmination of everything the character has been through to date: lost his girlfriend, lost his dad, lost his identity-defining prop, lost his childhood home, lost his brother, lost his best mate, lost half his people and lost his self-worth when he failed to stop Thanos the first time. It made sense to me that the character would want to check out emotionally, because I've been there. So the look of elation when Mjolnir comes to him and revelation of what that means? That despite all that's happened, he still has value as a person? Still "worthy"? That's some Pixar-level tear jerker material right there.
ginsengaddict Pixar tier is apt, this arc is underrated
As someone who struggles with PTSD and depression it pisses me the fuck off that the movie had almost all avengers making fun of him for his pain. I can't stand how they portrayed him.
Same, including the depression. It never 100% goes away and we really shouldn't ever forget that part of it. Fat or buff, Heavy lies the head that wears the crown.
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I agree 110%. Let's not also forget the loss of his mother in The Dark World. The loss of every single thing you mention would take its toll on anyone. He had Thanos within an inch of his life, but wouldn't finish the job because of his overwhelming arrogance...his ever-looming achilles heal. Being that he is the cause of the loss of half of the population of the universe would tear anyone apart. Anyone with a soul anyway.
Hell reading this has me wanting to have an Avengers marathon. I'm trying to get the fam to watch, but I know they don't have the patience to have a marathon of Avengers. Plus it's hard for me to really get into anything with it being football season.
I just wanted him to do his big lightning stuff in Endgame... For the god of thunder to rule the sky-battle. It made sense he couldn't, given his clear loss of physical ability and weaker lightning, but still... I wanted that for him.
For the first time... Thor actually looked like a Viking god and NOT a Calvin Cline model.
i get that refrence for everyoe who does not Chris hemsworth is a model
@W-James He's not supposed to look like a Viking God, he's supposed to look like a Space God, ala how Jack Kirby drew him in the comics. In the Comics the Asgardians are Sci Fi Fantasy Space Gods who the Norse game to worship. They don't need to mirror those who worship them.
Thor has always looked like both but mainly a pretty boy God I guess cause that version sells better. Don't get why dudes always bringing it up, something things will never change
@@stellarhyme3 Based off of the Viking gods which were more mythical, worrier badasses. I never liked Thor because he had a six pack. I liked him because he was an interesting character... and a badass!
@@w-james9277 Oh shut the fuck up
The way Hemsworth says "I'm still worthy" gets me every time
my eyes fill with tears everytime...
What is crazy that when cap picks it up he says. "I knew it" he thought cap was more worthy than him
@@b.e.z6831 To be fair, Cap is considered to be the hero everybody looks up to, as a pillar of morality and heroism. He's the leader, therefore Thor likely thought that if any human was able to lift Mjolnir, it would be Cap. Plus, he was likely suspicious that he could ever since the party in Age Of Ultron
Hemsworth ---> He's worth
@@MegaManXPoweredUp yes thats what i was talking about
That edit with Thor’s hammer at the end was masterful
thanks man! :D
Should’ve included the hulk catching it
The commercial right after that literally said “ dam that was good”
It was!
That was a super RAD super cut. Excellent work dude!
I just realized Thor and Thanos changed exact oppositely. Thor was emotional and vengeful. Now, he is focused on the mission. Thanos(Older) was focused on the mission but now he(younger) is emotional and vengeful.
I love how Thor just straight looks like a Viking during the final battle
He is a viking
@@user-cn8xi4el6h no he is not, its just that the vikings thought they were gods
@@chupapi7620 yes im making a joke out of that im saying he is a viking when hes obviously not
He looks soooooo good
Other than (plausibly) his beard, what part of him looks like a viking? Certainly not his weapons, not his armour, so... what? That he is blond?
Thor's humor was so effective at deflecting that even the audience couldn't see the pain. Honestly, the Thor 2 recap scene really broke me cause I have been and have seen that person in the group whose life is in shambles and all everyone can do is awkwardly laugh or avoid eye contact. I really related to Thor more than ever in this movie. Especially the Mother's pep talk scene. Not to mention that fat, long-haired Thor looks far more like an actual Norse God. He looks like a true Viking during the final fight.
I 100% agree! I liked how for endgame we saw beer belly Thor but instead of transforming to super sayian Thor in infinity war and end of ragnorak but rather a true Viking Norse god Thor! He looked more like Odin a wiser god. It’s cool to have different portrayals in each movies keep them fresh and fun
I can't agree more - well said!!!
I AGREE WITH THIS
Agreed with everything you just said
Ragnarok was made as a comedy but it became tragic comedy for me after watching it again after seeing Infinity War. Thor was actually in complete denial the whole movie about all the losses and bad things happening to him. It made the scenes with his mother in Endgame so good. They were even set in the same tone. With a lot of jokes that seemed less and less funny the more Thor started cracking and his facade started really breaking. He will fit nicely with Guardians because they are my favourite self made family in whole galaxy and he really needs this right now. Btw I had trouble to see this things during first watching Endgame because there was too much happening and because I was distracted by his beard. Didn´t even mind the belly, but the beard got to me every time. :-D
"You are unworthy of the loved ones you have betrayed" this memory must have echoed endlessly in his thoughts while he wallowed in rage, shame and powerlessness after his failure to stop Thanos. In his eyes he was no god or king, beings such as his father would never have allowed half the universe's life to be wiped out indiscriminately.
I was totally fine with fat Thor. It really showed how much he’d suffered and reeled through his utter defeat. It showed how much he’d overcome.
Those are my exact thoughts as well
True. This movie doesn't have much actions but have character development which matters most.
And he looks sick!
Personally I felt it was a tad bit overdone, especially with the cheesewiz joke. I mean I like how he lost his Physique and it makes sense, but then again I can’t see the emotional hits hit as hard without the beer belly
@@dexterthielhelm4342 why will he be emotional if he is a drunken man for 5 years? He drinks beer to forget everything but when Hulk took the name of Thanos he became emotional. Drunken man are often dumb and cringy.
“Thor: The Dark Thor”... I see we have a Weekly Planet listener on our hands!
Amazing video man, Thor’s arc is the best in the movie and I defend it to the death all the time. The look on his face when Mjolnir comes to him and he says “I’m still worthy” is just beautiful.
The vocal emotion in the lines "I'm still worthy" and "I went for the head", are what absolutely sell his character to me
Stove501
This is my absolute favorite scene in the entire movie, the discussion with his mom and Mjolnir coming back to him were by far the best scenes in the movie IMO.
Weekly wackadadoos
Huh? What's that?
Too bad he's a joke through out the movie
I personally loved Thor in Endgame from my first viewing. This perfectly communicates what I loved and appreciated about it.
My only issue is that Watiti's style kinda downplays heartfelt moments.
After finally having thor embracing that I'm a bit concerned.
💯💯
The first time I saw Fat Thor revealed, I loved it instantly because I knew exactly WHY (partly in thanks to y'alls previous video). You feel the full weight of his failure in that moment, no pun intended.
Hot Take; Thor's best look is his top knot and braided beard while dual wielding two of the most powerful weapons in the universe. He honestly looks like a barbarian ripped straight from a DnD Campaign
Edit: wow! Over a thousand likes? I guess my take isn’t that hot if this many people agree with me?
Or like an actual viking
He looked FUCKING AMAZING
A proper viking god
@@HGmolotov Well, at least an actual movie Viking
@@josharntt
well, hey, no horn helmet
When I first saw Endgame I found fat Thor amusing, but was didn't see the heart that he had in Infinity War with Rocket. But afterwards I read a comment from someone on Reddit who said they loved it and explained why. If I remember correctly the commentor's mother had passed away a few years earlier and he had become depressed and gained a lot of weight, his friends would make jokes about his weight, and to cover up his pain he would hide behind humor just like Thor in Endgame. When he fist saw fat Thor being used for jokes he didn't really like it because it seemed like it was just jokes about how Thor is sad and fat now, but the heart to heart between Thor and his mother brought him to tears because that's exactly what he needed, but never had the opportunity to hear that from his mother again.
After reading his comment I viewed Thor in Endgame very differently and he went from being disappointing in Endgame, to being my absolute favorite.
People need to realize that we all deal with PTSD and depression in different and similar ways. Thor's character in Endgame was the best.
Kevin Carroll damn I send my love to that man
Beautiful story. I think everyone can give a nod to a marvel movie that gave them something they needed
I just had to tweet this comment. Beautiful.
Goes to show that sometimes we need to see things from a different angles in order to appreciate it for what it actually is.
At first i was mad because they were making jokes about someone who clearly had ptsd but the way you articulated that was perfect. Thank you!
Taylor Hughes no problem Taylor! Thank you for watching :)
8:50 As a person with chronic Depression w/ Suicidal Ideation, that quote is all to real for me.
Throughout the whole video, you describe and highlight how over the span of the MCU timeline, Thor developed (in my eyes) from a "pretty cool hero" to someone that I CONNECTED with.
Personally I was perfectly accepting of fat Thor. Even though on a physical level I can’t relate, on an emotional level it makes sense and I relate. He’s a sad sack just like me and it was so pathetic yet so endearing. He uses his humor to hide his pain even though he feels like shit. I love it.
I agree. Fat Thor isnt really fat Thor. Hes depressed Thor. Hes PTSD Thor. I think thats why out of all the Avengers, Tony relates to him most, having suffered with PTSD after the first Avengers. When Thor tries to take the gauntlet its Tony who meets him on an emotional level and manages to communicate with him. The weight is just a way to physically express the fact this guy is not ok. It would have been a much more visually darker path, but it would be equally fitting for Endgame Thor to have self harm scars. Fat Thor is not fat Thor. The point is not that hes fat. The point is he is broken. When Hulk says Thanos' name, thats a PTSD trigger response there. You can see in Thors eyes he is reliving the snap. He is actually psychologically triggered.
26:54
Are we all just gonna ignore that amazing edit?
Now that was really cool.
that was beautiful!
@@antonlung2221
Yes,that was sweet!
This video didn't age that well with the new Thor movie.
Fat Thor, in the end (no pun intended) was one of my favorite characters, as well as Professor Hulk. I admit that it is the MCU that made me actually like Thor as a character, and I personally think seeing him as "dad bod" Thor, was brilliant. The man was beaten, torn apart to his core losing his family and friends, his home, everything. He let Thanos snap, and that was the biggest fail of his long life...... The brilliance of showing that, even a "god" struggling with that level of depression, is hell. End Game genuinely, gave me a whole new out look on the MCU as a whole. It was so brilliantly done, and I loved every minute of it.
Honestly, if Thor transformed back into fit Thor at the end it could've been incredibly insulting.
A Potato Farmer Plus, it just sends the message that he wasn't really worthy to fight Thanos unless he was swole, and it disconnects the character from the audience, since they can't just get zapped by a bolt of lightning and get the body they want.
That's why so much care was taken in Cap 1 to make him relatable and a good person, so we understand why he was chosen and aren't dismissive or jealous.
I think they did it perfectly.
Yeah, if he had lost the weight then truly everything we saw of him before that moment would have just been one giant fat joke instead of the incredibly bleak look at what happens to people who have lost it all and wallow in their pain.
I see a dose of fatphobia in people's despise for "Thick Thor", as in they simply cannot buy into the concept of a fat superhero. Thor of all heroes doesn't need the physicality to be one, as he's an alien god (a fat Black Widow or Black Panther would've been a bit of harder to swallow). One thing I was thinking during his introduction in the movie is how much "depression food and drink" must he have ingested to become that fat, as his metabolism must be more resistant to earthly foods (as Cap once explains his is).
@@laraneville9952 Yep. I also feel that fatphobia when people think that it's just a joke. People don't even take the time to recognize that there's a story being told there.
They were literally making fat jokes about him the whole movie. They wouldn't even let him wield the gauntlet because he was drunk. It's not because he was fat but because how they treated his depression and overweight condition like a running gag. It got really old really fast.
This Thor represents the Norse version of Thor very well , so anyone that complained that marvel messed up they didn’t
Except that the Marvel Version of Thor is not the Norse version of Thor, it's the Marvel version which is all Sci Fi Fantasy Space God stuff. It's not muddy, grimy, Viking stuff. In the comics and in the MCU the Asgardians are just Aliens who were worshipped by the ancient Earth bound Vikings. The Endgame Thor is still the Space God Thor, he's gained some weight and grew a beard but he's still an Alien from a highly advanced race of being who ancient Earthlings thought to be Gods.
StellaRhyme3 uhhh, jason aaron’s run expliciy shows thor’s young days being a barbaric norse deity, that aspect is integral to thor especially in his “modern day marvel” self
@@tristanwalker3724 yeah but even then Thor was a ripped pretty boy.
Really? In Norse Thor he's a useless loser who embarrasses himself constantly and gets one-upped by an African lady at every turn? LOL
@@NeoSoldner that is not so far from what we saw in endgame is isn't it?
Man.... I forgot how I cried at that "I'm still worthy" moment. I didn't understand Thor's portrayal from the get go, but I did like him in the film from the start, it is simply refreshing to see different takes on a character, especially when they can be woven into a single narrative and they didn't have to go to a "what if" alternate universe to portray him like this.
Detail I just noticed about Thor. Thanks to the mechanical eye, he now has heterochromia
Also, note how Cap and Iron Man stood calmly in the background as Thor called lightening to himself. 25:23
I still get chills
When he met his mum again, that was emotional , heartfelt. It was a nice touch
I feel that after the way Infinity War ended, this was the only way, logically, that Thor could end up. Yes, I do think they could've eased up on the fat jokes, and maybe had more heartfelt moments between him and the other OG Avengers, but I thought Hemsworth's portrayal of Thor in this film was absolutely great and probably resonated was a large part of the audience. Especially those who struggle with anxiety, depression, or have PTSD.
I also feel like if they asked him or spoke to him about anything, Thor would have ignored or humored his way out of it. It took his mother to do that, which is fitting.
My issue is that right up to the final battle he still acts like a drunken buffoon wearing dirty clothes. They were far too heavy handed with the fat jokes and depression jabs.
Or maybe...they were depicting reality, in that that is how a lot of people view/treat people struggling in that way. Maybe they were going for a warts and all depiction of the experiences of some people
Thors scene with Frigga is probably my favorite scene. It makes you tear up and smile because sometimes you just want your mom to tell you everything will be okay.
honestly I thought endgame did a great job with Thor and was really confused when some people hated it
As someone who struggles with weight and self-worth, I loved the job the russos did with thor in endgame.... Only one of two jokes at his expense were a little much for me, but overall I loved thor in endgame
@@joebarthram596 except the russos didnt do anything with thor in end game. the writers did. people gotta stop giving russos so much credit when its the writers not the directors who come up with the story.
@@valaxius Seriously I've never understood this. And everyone does it. Same goes towards all the other major directors.
Because the whole movie Thor's depression and weight aren't treated seriously. They're treated as a joke.
@@darksideofevil13 I agree. I didn't like that either.
That Mjölnir edit at the end was glorious
I don’t know why, but seeing Thor smile as he sees he is still worthy makes me smile and tear up every time.
I remember when the first time i watched this myself, and the moment the fat Thor appears and deliver all that shtty jokes, i cried. As someone who came frome a broken home, i saw my parents fight a lot when i was a kid, they even asked me to choose which want to follow when i was like 6/7yo. And it's continued until i become a highschooler, because that's when they choose to finally broke up. I was depressed, i gained a crazy amount of weight, from 110lbs to 150lbs. And i joke a lot, at that time I don't know why, i just found out that's what i want to do. But at some points my joke's went to far, some of my friend were mad at me, but i just don't take them seriously, i just don't care at that time.
That's why the moment fat thor appears, i cried. A lot. It hits me harder than my parent ever did. And just makes me realize that the whole time is just me being depressed and trying to run away.
Having suffered from PTSD and still working on the recovery from it. Thors arc in these 3 movies is perfectly done. It is exactly how we feel. Exactly what we go through.
That lightning-makeover at the beginning of the 3rd act is one of my fav bits of the movie, and the best I think he's looked as Thor so far. That was a _Viking God_
Honestly, Thor's arc is the best and the scenes with his mom always get me to tears. *Especially* when he summons the hammer
As someone with Depression and i'm also carrying a lot of excess weight. That "I'm still worthy" scene, well, it damn near shattered me.
I straight out LOVED how they handled Thor in Endgame. As someone with depression I identify. Sometimes it's so hard to do things... and so easy to joke about to mask the pain. The moment he got Mjölnir and was happy he was still worthy brought tears to my eyes. Thor Arc is amazing... and I got really disappointed after I left the theater and saw people hating on the character, and how he was handled.
I'm glad someone people are finally realizing how great Thor was in character in Endgame.
Aeternalis Armentarius he asked who joe was
Same!
I loved that he didn't change back to the buff Thoreal of previous films - he was worthy no matter how big his waist was!
It underlined that being a hero (and/or good person) is about the attempt to fight for the right causes, and to continue to do this even after failures. Because failure is a part of the process - you learn from it and move on as best you can.
It also echos the lesson from his mother - we all fail at being the person we think we're supposed to be, but we can succeed and even achieve greatness when we truly recognise and accept ourselves. Once you do that, you can get past your ego issues and see ways that your perceived flaws might actually have value.
When we met him in Thor, he was an arrogant boy who fought for sport and glory. Now (IW & Endgame) he fights for a cause that is bigger than himself.
I'm really looking forward to his next appearance, and hope that they will do justice to the developments in his character! 🤞
@Aeternalis Armentarius that's a massively personal question!
Why on earth did you think it was appropriate to ask a stranger to discuss the details of their mental health here?
If someone had mentioned having cancer, say, instead of depression (both medical diagnoses) as part of contextualising their opinions. Would you think it was acceptable to ask them where they had cancer, or what stage it was, etc?
(if your answer to that is yes, you're wrong.)
Prying into people's health issues, mental or physical, is inconsiderate and often emotionally draining for the people involved. We don't want our every conversation to revolve around our ailments, or to become just 'that girl with the [illness] / [in the chair]'. Talking about the details can mean reliving them, and bringing up painful memories. Plus it gets tedious fast! I'm disabled and the number of complete strangers on public transport, who think it's acceptable to just start asking me about "what happened?", or make sweeping statements and wild assumptions like "you're on the mend though, right? You'll be back to normal soon..."
the implication being I'm less than normal in my current (permanent) state, that I must aspire to improve. That staying the way I am is undesirable and makes people uncomfortable. Stop asking, it's none of your business. No one owes you an explanation of their health/experiences. If they choose to share, great, get involved in a respectful and meaningful way. Let them lead it though
First, I wanna say this channel has some of the best movie essays on RUclips, hands down. LOVE your channel
People dont understand depression. Or never gained weight by being sad and lazy. It made total sense to me at 1st viewing
*_Can't wait to let NoobMaster69 appear on our movie screen as the main villain for the next Thor movie._*
And then the best ending being Thor ripping NoobMaster69's arms off and shoving them up his butt. Saying something like "I told you I'd do this"
@@stimulanttree but it is bittersweet because this is only after NoobMaster got the Victory Royale
heard the theory that deadpool is noobmaster69
The belly was jarring at first but by the end fight scene I was like "Shoot, I don't mind a lil belly".
As dumb as it might sound Thor conquering his depression and letting go of the past (with stuff like giving away the leadership of the Asgardians) helped me conquer my depression
Rene Russo healed his spirit, then Mjolnir healed his confidence.
Great video guys.
Chris Hemsworth's acting is on point and so versatile.
I enjoy your channel so much.
“Go and look in your own closet and sort your shit out first” I’m gonna be using that a lot.
It's so insane how good those movies where. Truly cinematic history.
I agree
Ok but you didn’t have to flex that hard with that Mjnolnr montage
First time I saw Fat Thor, I loved him. I just saw myself... a depressed fat man who's in need of a new reason in life... I can relate to that a lot
26:55 This was awesome. Can't wait for his next solo movie, and him with the GUARDIANS, BOIIIIIIII!
Hulk: you know who helped me through it?
Fat Thor: Mhmmm idk Natasha ?! 😂😂😂
I knew I had a problem with all the complaints about endgame Thor, thank you for explaining why.
Also bogan Thor fighting Thanos looked awesome.
Great video! it really shows why Thor is one of the best characters in the MCU and one of the most underrated
I've been saying that ragnorak to endgame has been the greatest trilogy for thor and afterwards I've been saying my favorite avenger now is thor. I couldnt quite figure out why until now. You explained it perfectly.
The composition of that hammer throwing cut at the end was simply perfection.
I keep Hearing "Thor the Dark Thor" instead of "Thor: The Dark World"
I’m personally soooo glad Thor in Endgame was a surprise
Agreed!!
That's one thing I'd like to see from thor seeing him get too old a bit like doctor who but with Hemsworth take on it
Ah, there it is. Silly old universe. The more I save it, the more it needs saving
11:57 the slapping sound is so powerful and loud it could break Thanos's neck
Man, you do such a great job examining the emotional connection behind the character development. For this video, the other Thor video, and the Star Lord video I have always gotten choked up. Thank you for your videos
Thank you for showing people what Thor was about in Endgame.
I'm really excited for GotG 3 with Thor, as Peter's ark so far has also been about trauma, pain and growth. Thor having to redefine himself seems like he will fit perfectly with the themes of GotG so far, as another damaged person moving on.
The thing I'm wondering about is Love and Thunder is gonna be coming out before GotG 3, so how is Thor going to go from where he was in Endgame with the Guardians, to his own solo movie then back to the Guardians for GotG 3.
@@stimulanttree I don't think GotG 1 or 2 were in continuity with film releases.
@@ChibiDarksai You are correct. Within the timeline, GotG 1 occurs during 2014, and GotG 2 takes place like a month or two after. As such, I could totally see GotG 3 taking place immediately after Endgame or something.
@@NoahRJitil I thought so. So yeah, they could make it work.
00:13:00 This section legit made me get teary. I think I needed to hear that today. "being depressed or unhappy never means you're unworthy."
Your two videos about thor are A MUST WATCH before Love and Thunder!! What you did was amazing! Truly amazing!!
The first Thor movie is about Thor learning he needs to better and he's not as good as he thinks he is, Endgame is about him learning that even though he failed, he's better than he thinks and he is good enough.
Just completely left out him losing his mom and three of his closest friends.
He covered that in the other episode.
I really love it when people get analytical about movies and tv series, ur channel is perfect for that. subbed.
I really loved this video, at the start when you began by railing against the inclusion of "fat thor" I was ready to flame rant at how much you had missed. So glad i was patient and kept watching as you hit the nail on the head. After Mjolnir returns to Thor when he's spoken to his mother his words "I am still worthy" hit home so well. Great Job
Oof, this episode hit closer to home than expected, thanks it was a great analysis of the character
Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame was also Hulk's big character arc but with barely any characterization.
I think after some time, endgame Thor would’ve been an excellent king, because this Thor knows defeat, he mows that he isn’t destined to win and that if he wants to win he has to make it happen. He would know, that despite being the GOD OF THUNDER there are sone that can bring him down. He won’t let his ego and bloodlust control him and probably take more logical land cautious approach to combat. I think he said it best in Ragnarok, “A good king doesn’t seek war, but is always ready for it.”
But Valkyrie works too, I’m cool with her
Can you guys do a video about the Bruce Banner and Hulk arc across the same movies?
Love that edit with mjolnir at the end!
this was a BEAUTIFUL VIDEO ESSAY...... i found myself nodding in agreement so many times, and i really love the edit at the end where his hammer went through all the movies to come back to him at the end. this was beautiful thank you.
Amazing video my guy! Beautifully worded and incredible positive vibes through out the entire video. I watched it and felt amazing about myself and even helped me create a better outlook on the way I view myself and others and not only that you really painted thors' picture perfectly. Brilliant content
Gotta love the Full Fat MCU vids
BEST VIDEO I'VE SEEN THIS WEEK!! And, quite possibly, the best super-hero character analysis video I've ever seen (and I owned a comic book shop for a decade)! Nice Job! 1st time seeing you, and I'm immediately following you! I look forward to seeing your next video! Even the hammer sequence at the end was beautifully edited! Thank you for this insightful, relevant, and reverent piece!
As someone who has suffered from depression and anxiety for almost a decade (because of things that in some ways are similar to how Thor feels), I really like what they did with his character arc. The jokes make sense not only in the universe, because Thor has made plenty of jokes and been the butt of jokes, but it also makes sense in how he's feeling, and how those around him are. Many people don't always realize, that the way a lot of people with depression like myself deal with it, is by not dealing with it, we instead do things to mask or ignore those feelings, like keeping busy with usually meaningless stuff (games, TV, appointments, etc), harmful habits (drinking, eating, etc) and making jokes or acting stupid (a lot of times to make others happy, or to hide your pain). People will also make fun of you, and most of the time it's not to be mean, it's because they have no idea how to help you, they think making jokes will make you laugh or many people have a problem where they joke or make fun of things when they shouldn't, because they're anxious, stressed or scared (I do that too).
I understand if others don't like it, we're not all the same and we definitely don't all think the same, but I think some only looked at the surface level and not at the whole picture, because for someone like me it was really meaningful, I felt understood, for the first time in a long time, and to see something like that, in a movie like this, with characters who I watched for so many years and that have helped me keep going, it's something I'll never forget and I could never express how much it truly means to me.
I'm interested where they take the character from here and if future writers acknowledge this part of his arc.
Thank you for these videos on Thor's character ❤️ it's always interesting to see what other people saw and how sometimes their views change over time. Really great video!
17:38 even with the big belly you’ve gotta admit the beard is amazing
26:55 Exceptionally well edited. Good job.
I really hope that in Thor love and thunder he is back in his prime like in infinity war, alongside Jane, I think it would be awesome
maybe he's on the mend, like he's not peak Thor but working his way back
Me to but he just left with the guardians I wonder what makes him come back to earth
With the direction that they're going, we might get to see Thor as the Allfather.
@@zeroskaterz92 possibly as runic thor
15:06 I'm glad you pointed this out. I got a bit teary.
Thank you for the video,
I needed this!
25:56 - "All the way back in 'Thor: the Dark Thor'..."
27:45 And that's why I like Cinema Wins more than Cinema Sins
Exactly
Thor's mum is the Russo's sister, She's hot in lethal weapon 3
@gBenitezl got it from IMDB
@@smallrossy Really? I just checked Rene Russo's IMDb page and there's nothing about it. She does have a brother named Anthony, though.
@@bigshow771 oh shit they aren't related, dam
I think this was perhaps your most astute, sincere, insightful, and human analysis to date.
+1 👍😁
thank you!
Going for the head is like Thor's signature move in Norse Mythology, it's cool to see his fighting style transform into that because his remark in part one.
It is such a shame that thor was ruined as a character in love and thunder
I always loved Norse mythology as a kid, I also loved Marvel Comics Sci Fi fantasy take on the character. Glad I got to see all these Thor films culminate into my most beloved CBM character arc to date.
Absolutely masterful video. Beautifully laid out points. Great edits. Wonderful message that accurately depicts one of the best parts of phase 3 MCU. Thank you!
As someone with depression, the way you talked about Thor's worthiness almost made me cry. It's fucking beautiful.
At first I didn't really like Thor in Avengers Endgame but over time I started to like him
However I do agree that he'll most likely go back to normal Thor in the next movie
"I'm totally from the future!"
That moment when frigga said “I see the future has been tough on you” and Thor looked like he was about to cry
DC: Look, i am Superhero, and i am unstoppable!
Marvel: Ok, let's have more relatable content here.
I just wish they didn’t include the incessant fat jokes that undercut the seriousness of the depression he was in.
Yeah agreed, it isn't the problem with him being fat, it is the problem that the fat jokes are just overplayed.
True
@@MrNamesNoMore true
Those jokes are the whole point. You can see him hiding behind them as a facade, because they're mundane, and he can take mundane. A trivial challenge for a guy whose self image has been reduced to triviality. But as soon as Banner mentions Thanos... that facade breaks.
@@chiffmonkey They may be the point for Thor, but they make you angry at every character who makes a joke.