At one point a curved display and a bezel-less display were pushing the boundaries. Even face unlock (infrared version not the terrible photo version). I'm sure we will see something again. Foldable smartphones might be that thing.
Great , if you want to use a professional camera with the same quality you can buy a Sony HX400 or HX300 but if it is used ensure it doesn't display error message like E62:10
Leo Koutakis It seems like the rumored Nokia 9 became the Nokia 8 sirocco and the rumored Nokia 10 the Nokia 8 Pro but some people also say that the Nokia 8 Pro won't have the penta lens and the Nokia 9 will be their flagship. This is getting intense and confusing. Oh and it seems like they are planning to use an in screen fingerprint sensor.
I still have mine in that banana yellow color and to this very day, I wish Microsoft didn't kill off such a legendary device. If they pushed emphasis even more so like what you were saying in having future iterations of these devices. I would be extremely curious as to what today would be like.
After HP killed off my beloved WebOS, Windows Phone became the only mobile OS with a design philosophy that appealed to it. It was a sad day having to abadon it, but the app gap just made the platform too difficult to continue using.
*Brought a Lumia 1020 today for less than $80* It was my dream phone back in the days. Finally got my hands on one. The optical image stabilization feature, and video and image quality is truly epic to this day.
@Rex Erection I said as a good alternative camera, I also use the Lumia and the LG G6 for video recording and the Lumia as a camera for when I go somewhere special
Nokia been was dedicated to giving people what was different and what was the best that they could. They didn't follow trends completely. They made trends and was the most popular phone at one time. Having good pure ingredients beat simulated all the time.
They still are. So sad, after all this years of technical innovacions, old Nokia's phones are still the greatest. And that''s the reason why people are so stupid for me - they allow Nokia to die in the ill name of unglory Android, dammit.
Yet I had people telling me how modern iPhones are better than a FF 5D camera. Yes, people are that ignorant. And it is usually wrapped up in a typical "technology is advancing every year, hurrr, durrr" catchphrase which is worth jack shit. People will never stop spouting such nonsense without actually realizing that the tech behind camera sensors remains largely the same. The details of the sensor architecture change, sure, but there was no new large breakthrough in sensor tech for a while now. But of course an average smartphone "photographer" knows nothing about that. A FF sensor is tens of times the area of a typical smartphone sensor, so a larger sensor based on the same tech overall will be better especially one that much bigger. Sure, the sensors do get better over time, but those improvements can't tip the scales in favor of a smaller sensor if you compare it to a much larger one. And lets not forget that the final output is also dependent on software, so it begs the question how much of it is the result of actual hardware improvement, and how much of it is due to improvements in processing.
Woulda been awesome if people hadnt pre-emptively shat all over Windows Phone. Reviewers are guilty of it too. I got bored with Android and Apple, so I used a Nokia Lumia 1520 for 2 years. In spite of the reported lack of apps, I had apps for just about everything I needed, and to this day I feel like it was the best experience Ive ever had with a smart phone. The OS is miles ahead of static icon grids in practical use. I loved it, yet nobody seemed to want to take the time to understand its benefits because "ewww it doesnt have snap chat".
I'm sticking with my trusty 950, but i still have the 1520 and use it as a small tablet nowadays. Still goes just fine! And the battery life of the 1520 is just epic!! On average it does 4-5 days, even as phone, making calls, watching some youtube vids the lot. I had the 1020, and sold it, but I still enjoy many of the superb pictures i shot with it. if only people would choose for potential, instead of present day performance, but the average person is just too dumb to understand what that means....
I had one of the first lumia phones, not sure wich one, 900-something maybe? however, I think windows phone was amazing, it realy was fun to use. and it was something different for a change. surely it wasnt as mature as android or apple back than, but people never gave it a chance, for the reasons you mentioned. maybe you also remember webOS by palm, that OS was also way ahead of its time, that OS was genius. it got killed just like windows phone. We could realy need a 3rd or 4th smartphone system, just so we have more choices than only apple and google. but that wont happen anymore.
the only problem with Windows Phone was that nobody liked and they the same Microsoft did big mistakes like at first in first versions do not have an notifications centre or switchs for basic things like wi-fi or screen rotation lock those mistakes made things go wrong, also people when was released windows phone 7.5 they expected have the same amount of apps than they had on an matured Android OS althgought be glitchy but were apps avalaible for virtually everything ad people since do not had much patience then do not was able to do much also Nokia never did any advertisemment on my country at least or have stands of sale on shopping centers on Chile for sell their products, a different approach that HMD is doing with set up stands and make their products avalaible worldwide , tyhe same Europe centered Nokia had the guilt of make windows phone fail.
And I thought you were my guy Juan and you just out here hurting my heart. 😁 I still have my white Lumia 1020 with two camera grips and I have been saying for years that the Lumia 1020's camera sensor was held back by that generation's processors and Windows Phone itself. Aaah, that sensor with a Snapdragon 845, QHD screen, 3500mAh+ battery, microSD expansion, dual pixel focusing, updated software processing algorithms, dedicated image signal processor, and running Android Oreo. 🗣 HOW HARD IS THAT?! 😂 Doesn't Nokia own any of that tech from the Microsoft partnership? You struck a nerve man. 😄🙄
+The RaRa85 all marketing and perception. Even when the 1020 was new you had a bunch of tech pundits jumping thru hoops to explain why the iPhone was still a better camera than the 1020. That entrenched "team" mentality is even more severe today.
Whats even more frustrating is that despite there being many small and big manufacturers concentrating on niche interpretations of a mobile phone, the camera first phone with proper optics and a big sensor is still not emerging. If we can have a gaming oriented Razr Phone....why not a photography oriented phone....Considering the reduction in sales of smaller point and shoot cameras in favour of mobile phone photography, may be Canon/Nikon/Sony can actually bring their optics expertise to the world of mobile phones. Or may be HMD can collaborate with Zeiss and Sony to bring out a spiritual successor to the Lumia 1020 with the new Nokia brand.
@@SomeGadgetGuy there's always gonna be more folks who just want to know what's best, what to buy. I like your videos cuz I feel like I've learnt something.
One thing I'd like to see as a new trend in mobile photography is the use of glass lenses like in the V30. It might help with the shrinking camera sensor size of newer phones.
MAn oh MAN .... i was asking for this like crazy for a long long time... I ran around posting comments on every single popular tech channel but no one did except you.THANKS!!!!!
I just finally upgraded from my 6-7 year-old Nokia Lumia 1020 yesterday, had an Otterbox case on it from the day of purchase and my screen is still mint, although the same can't be said for the body itself and the Zeiss lens. Hoping my new LG V60 ThinQ lasts just as long, but I have my doubts. I'd still be using my Windows phone if it was still supported (had to hard reset to get out of a power loop and couldn't update the system back to Windows 10-- aka couldn't access app stores or sync my Microsoft emails).
Hi Maxwell, I am interesting in buying an LG V series just for video recording and photos, could you tell me if lumia 1020 is a lot better than your V60? Thanks.
Spot on Juan! Spot effn on! I keep going back to the 1020 in my mind! it really was ahead of it's time, comparing that to today's gen phones is like comparing a Phase One to a FF DSLR. That Mate 10 overexposes too much, 1/3 to a 2/3 stop in some cases. If only, eh? if only they weren't so obsessed over slimness. Imagine if phones were women, I think enough is enough, slimmer isn't always better. Great vid man, always appreciated your take on tech.
This phone was expensive for Nokia to make. And didn't make a big profit for them. That's the only thing I can think of. But this phone camera is awesom. Still use it once in awhile.
well.... Nokia 808 PureView has also 41 MP - but it actually have 1/1.2" sensor!! =] ... and also better Rich Recording, HDMI out, FM transmitter [and receiver also], USB OTG, great display...
Klemen Krnc the display "greatness" Is only because it's an amoled with high brightness for daylight shooting, but resolution is really too low for today's standard
I refuse to let go of mine. It was a phone ahead of its time. And by this video it still!!! Stacks up to modern phones. Yes it processes images differently but the shear outputs you can get from this phone are fantastic. Nokia ... make it happen 1040 SD845, OREO and 42mp gotta give a bump in pixel to that sensor.
How are you getting on with it? I'm thinking of buying one for the camera too and having two phones, my current Huawei P smart 2019 has an awful camera
I have a Nokia 1020. I have a problem in that when I bluetooth my images to another device, I am only able to transfer the .jpg images. But I am taking both Raw and Jpg images. I have tried plugging a USB cable into the phone, but neither my Mac nor my Wndows machine can see the Nokia 1020. Is anyone able to help please ?
I'm a photographer, the Lumia 1020 always come with me, got a good battery grip for it so it's easier to hold, i bought it back in 2014, the black version, best phone i ever had and i still use it and will continue to use it, being used to high end camera's i'm very pleased with how it's back camera performs, it's OS and overall usability is excellent, so is the battery life, unlike the modern smartphones which are usually oversized, ultra thin and fragile with poor battery life and clunky OS's and poor camera performance and lastly today's phones are insanely expensive.
What an epic time that was,it felt like magic,innovation at best,design in harmony with nature and people,memories of which still burns up like fire,still ignites the feeling of the past,you are not far away my friend , you have made a way to my heart.Love you buddy.You are fire baby.
Quoutub We all know how HDR works But anyway its software, you can make that effect in Photoshop or Lightroom using several shots, that doesn't make the hardware better is an illusion, a fast solution but limited at the same time. HDR + is not real dynamic range, it is a postprocess, That is why the images taken in this mode have Halos in the high contrast areas, oversharpening and excesive microcontrast. This does not happen in cameras with true wide dynamic range, where the images look much more natural and less artificial.
Emmanuel Santos it's true it is a composite rather than natural dynamic range but it still increases dynamic range. It is however much better than no processing when it comes to the sensor size and performance in phones. Sure if you have a massive sensor with better dynamic range that would be better even if it had the same range. However, phones are small so what can you expect? The lumia is push the limits of most people's tolerance of a fat phone. If you want a big sensor, by a DSLR.
Impressively hanging on, 5 years later. Thanks for your video, it gave the 1020 the props it deserves without wallowing in nostalgia or hiding from facts. Much appreciated! I still use a 1020 today, my current one came from a bunch of broken phones I bought and cost me $8.50. In some ways I prefer Windows Phone 8.1 to Windows 10 Mobile. A very simple, elegant, customisable UI. And the 1020's camera is great. Keep up the good work, Juan.
In MOST ways I prefer Windows OS. Absolutely the most elegant solutions to mobile UI, just a shame MS seemed unable (or unwilling) to iterate and evolve more consistently.
auresims Nokia developed that phone for 5 years (yes), and when it comes to launch time, symbian is gonna dead. Nokia move to Windows Phone and port the Tech and algorithm from Symbian to WP in a year. So i think that’s really suprising.
Fantastic video as usual Juan! Great to see you over here! The 1020 is still one of my all time favorite when it comes to smartphone photography, and this video just proves how right we are 😉
I love to see pure camera phone in a size 808 pureview with modern software. I dont mind smaller screen and almost 20mm thickness, I think 1" sensor would fit.
I still have my black 1020 and its camera grip case. It's still my favorite camera phone. I was holding out soooo long for windows mcclaren which nwver saw the light of day which is so sad. I guess im a niche market. This, the pebble, is there a category for this kind of tech? I guess you can add querty keyboards here too!
Hey Juan! Do you still think there'd be an audience that would want that larger sensor size, like the photography/videography enthusiast market? Or has lens quality and software processing advanced so much that it'd be unnecessary? If there is, which company would you bet would put out that experimental revisit of a 2/3" sensor design?
+Kyle K unfortunately I don't think it'd be a very big market. Most folks are fine with the smaller sensor fare offered today, and likely wouldn't value the benefits enough to warrant the additional cost. If any company could, it might be Sony or Panasonic. Samsung was rumored to be working on a 2/3" sensor, but recent isocell rumors point to them going smaller instead.
JuanBagnell Crossing my fingers, there'd be a spiritual successor to the Lumia 1020 HAHA Thank you so much for your response, looking forward to your channel and Pocketnow's future coverage!
N73, N8 also have mechanical shutter. And I love the design, durability, display(though small) and camera(both image and video rec) of my Nokia N8. And yes it is still working like new 😉
Coming back to this video in May 2021, I'm glad your concerns about larger sensors not being pursued have been put to rest. We have some amazing sensors now to last well into the future
same here, i just ordered new flex cable for it because it doesn't want to be recognised on pc, and i am sad only because i never get opportunity to upgrade to 10XX :(
when i bought it 5 years ago (when it came out) i paid it 500 euros, now it's really hard to find new one i found it in my country only on 1 site, 290 euros
What a refreshing review. Makes me proud to still be using my Lumia 1020. It felt so advanced when I got it, and now it feels like a cherished antique. I wish Windows Phone had succeeded. I still really love the operating system. It just makes sense to me, it always has from the start.
I really wish Microsoft never stopped making phones. I always had one with me. My lumia 950 xl is still my favorite phone of all time. I liked it better than my iPhone XS Max and op7 pro.
Me too, I still have the Nokia Lumia 1520 and Lumia 925, they're still usable but I chose not to use them anymore and just like everybody, I switched to android. However, I am keeping my eyes open for whatever MS does in the future.
@@FAT8893 Don't remember the settings but in Nokia it is in the camera settings somewhere. Asking do you want to save GPS coordinates. It is not live locations like now days. Apple does not have this feature in my iPhone8. Battery can last easily few day taking pictures and video without internet connection.
Too sad there's currently no phone that could replace it. I have mine, and those high res photos grew on me so much, that 12MP looks horrible for me now😕. I have it with Windows 10 and it's really good device. To any owner of this phone, I recommend enabling notification LED (Windows button) and enabling 8000 ISO (6400 in Lumia Camera) - difference is really visible. (Everything can be done through registry, though Lumia Camera needs system update to see and use higher ISO, idk why - Windows Camera sees new ISO automatically)
sorry I'm lost with this "ISO Hack" thing and LED. not really sure how to do it? or do I have to upgrade my 1020 to a stable Windows 10 for this phone first?
Tech Thusiast wondering the same too. As he didn't appear on any CES coverage on PocketNow channel, instead he had his CES videos uploaded on his own channel.
He has answered this already in a previous video's comment section. He said he was just "widening his scope" (the exact wording might be different). In other words, he hasn't really left pocketnow, yet.
I had Nokia Lumia 1020 Pureview and was 1 of my Best i ever had. Other Nokia and Microsoft with Great Camera that i had are: 1st Nokia Lumia 1020 PureView (41MP) - (2013). 2nd Nokia 808 PureView (41MP) - (2012). 3rd Nokia Lumia 930 (20MP) - (2014). 4th Microsoft Lumia 950 XL (20MP) - (2015).
Another phone that was years ahead when it comes to camera performance, specially video quality, was the LG Arena KM900, i loved that phone, launched in 2009, it had a crisp beautiful screen, it recorded in 3gp but in WVGA format, the shutter speed was 30fps, during the daylight the videos and photos were beautiful, it even produced nice bokeh. That phone could record up to 240fps, but i often used just 120 because the resolution was decreased, it was January 2011 and i was shooting slow motion with my friends at the pool haha. But, it sucked really bad in low light, the iPhone 4 was better in low light, but i liked the LG Arena more for outdoor shots.
JuanBagnell pretty much every phone was unique back then, it's sad how they slowly standardized to 1 very defined format, there's no flavor of the month anymore.
Dual cameras trend is the worst thing that happened to phone camera industry. Instead of focusing on better sensors and approach dslr quality. They went with this gimmicky method which gives you made-in-china photos. Even worse, some companies offer 4 cameras and many of them are fake just for the sake of showing dual cam
CM1 came down to £250 as far as I recall. I didn't have the money spare and I think it always ran an older version of Android. Otherwise it was something that peaked my interest.
One thing which we can't deny is the special place Nokia brand has in our heart. No matter what brand you are using but secretly somewhere in our hearts we hold a place for Nokia
If you love that huge sensor, but hate the speed, you should try the 808. Great pictures without the huge delay. The trade off with choosing the 1020 over the 808 was the modern OS of the 1020. Since that is no longer the case, the 808 is the clear winner in all categories.
As an ex-owner of a shockingly yellow 1020 and now a more than satisfied Mate 10 Pro owner, I found this video EPIC, almost a sentimental thing. The old dude still gives great results. Ode to the old king.
Eh, judging from the Nokia 8 which I got, kinda wished HMD worked on the stock camera software more. Getting way better results, when it comes to the bokeh thing and colors with the modded Pixel cam software than the Nokia one. Great hardware, let down a tad by the camera software.
That would be great! But remember it's not just about high-megapixel counts. There is a lot more in the Lumia 1020 why it's still one of the best camera phones out there, and it's turning into a legend.
That would be great! but it seems that HMD is just using Nokia's name and some of its tech or ideas to sell but not really developing the best phones the way it did before.. 😥
Brilliant video man, and yes it's sad that we don't get cameras like on the 1020. Imagine how stunning the pictures would be with a sensor like that and the power we have now.
I still use and own a 1020 and CANNOT find ANY smartphone to come after this in term of raw photo quality (sharpness, details, resolution, light fidelity) without all these shitty hdr enhancements they make nowadays. Help !
JuanBagnell the camera and its features kept me going. Flash and HDR adjustment was so freaking good! I don't care what your creepy tunnel photo show, my night time San Francisco photos rock! :D
Good old days when phone manufacturers actually pushed limits and not just follow the trend
+Tech Time no joke. Wish we saw a few more crazy experiments. Just no money in taking big risks in such a mature market.
JuanBagnell ya exactly its a shame.. There needs to be a smaller company to come out and change the market!!!!
At one point a curved display and a bezel-less display were pushing the boundaries. Even face unlock (infrared version not the terrible photo version). I'm sure we will see something again. Foldable smartphones might be that thing.
Red Hydrogen phone could in my opinion be that.
Random Guy I love Sony, and the Xz premium is probably the best phone out there right now
This phone changed my life. Now I'm a professional photographer
Great , if you want to use a professional camera with the same quality you can buy a Sony HX400 or HX300 but if it is used ensure it doesn't display error message like E62:10
@@ibrahimag-arts5302 hope you're joking about getting the HX400/HX300 for professional use
I'm in the same boat as you. Because of the Lumia, I am now becoming serious with my photography hobby.
How to become professional photographer ????
@@naughtychoudhary663 start with your phone camera
It’s near the end of 2019 and still nothing beats the Pureview 808
Heck even in 2020, there's still isn't one that can surpass the 808 and the 1020.
Yeah, most phone these days can't beat the lumia 808 in raw photos, since modern phones would often rely on software and AI.
Nokia 9 pureview raw is quite good tho ngl
i miss my 1020 so much! i like microsoft as a company but what they did to nokia makes me really mad, now i'm stuck with a boring galaxy.
Fingers crossed HMD can revive the old Nokia spirit.
Maybe the Nokia 10 will finally be a successor to this phone.
ok i just heard about this Nokia 10 - Nokia 8 pro rumors after reading your reply, i can't believe my eyes! is this happening for real?!?!?
Leo Koutakis It seems like the rumored Nokia 9 became the Nokia 8 sirocco and the rumored Nokia 10 the Nokia 8 Pro but some people also say that the Nokia 8 Pro won't have the penta lens and the Nokia 9 will be their flagship.
This is getting intense and confusing.
Oh and it seems like they are planning to use an in screen fingerprint sensor.
Buy nokia🙂
I still have mine in that banana yellow color and to this very day, I wish Microsoft didn't kill off such a legendary device. If they pushed emphasis even more so like what you were saying in having future iterations of these devices. I would be extremely curious as to what today would be like.
+Travis Smith Microsoft was definitely guilty of flaking on Windows Phone. Just think if we'd gotten regular updates to phones like the 1520 and 1020.
After HP killed off my beloved WebOS, Windows Phone became the only mobile OS with a design philosophy that appealed to it. It was a sad day having to abadon it, but the app gap just made the platform too difficult to continue using.
Man I loved the Banana yellow color on windows phones.
If dinosaur wouldn't become extinct I would be extremely curious as to what today would be like.
I still use my Lumia 1020 as my main since I just call, send texts and takes photos :)
now i am tempted to burst out my lumia 1020 and make a video
+Booredatwork.com do it!
JuanBagnell a sweet video in must say. Thanks for birthing the reaction to fire up my 1020
Do it! pls
Against the v30 or note 8 or iPhone X plz
You should do it and compare that to pixel 2 and iPhone X.
The thing i loved most about my Lumia 1020 was the xenon flash, little to no image blur on fast moving objects.
We need 1020 successors!
AGREED!
There are rumours about Nokia 10 to be a successor.
FarhanAxiq Nokia 10 looks promising.
Huawei P20 😀
Addendum: Since huawei has launched the p20 pro, i think you should make a comparison of the p20 pro and 1020
*Brought a Lumia 1020 today for less than $80*
It was my dream phone back in the days. Finally got my hands on one. The optical image stabilization feature, and video and image quality is truly epic to this day.
@Rex Erection please don't. Microsoft no longer updates windows phone.
@Rex Erection pixel or the mi note 10
@Rex Erection I said as a good alternative camera, I also use the Lumia and the LG G6 for video recording and the Lumia as a camera for when I go somewhere special
Purely epic💯 makes me appreciate the greatness of the 1020 more
+Lover Of Tech it was such an epic shooter.
JuanBagnell indeed and still looks like an epic one for sure👊🏿
JuanBagnell you will make me cry.after a long time saw you buddy .lumia i love u 😭😭😭
Nokia been was dedicated to giving people what was different and what was the best that they could. They didn't follow trends completely. They made trends and was the most popular phone at one time. Having good pure ingredients beat simulated all the time.
Lover Of Tech you're here
You cannot make a good camera without big optics. And Nokia 808 and 1020 was last best camera phones on earth.
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They still are. So sad, after all this years of technical innovacions, old Nokia's phones are still the greatest. And that''s the reason why people are so stupid for me - they allow Nokia to die in the ill name of unglory Android, dammit.
Yet I had people telling me how modern iPhones are better than a FF 5D camera. Yes, people are that ignorant.
And it is usually wrapped up in a typical "technology is advancing every year, hurrr, durrr" catchphrase which is worth jack shit. People will never stop spouting such nonsense without actually realizing that the tech behind camera sensors remains largely the same. The details of the sensor architecture change, sure, but there was no new large breakthrough in sensor tech for a while now. But of course an average smartphone "photographer" knows nothing about that.
A FF sensor is tens of times the area of a typical smartphone sensor, so a larger sensor based on the same tech overall will be better especially one that much bigger.
Sure, the sensors do get better over time, but those improvements can't tip the scales in favor of a smaller sensor if you compare it to a much larger one. And lets not forget that the final output is also dependent on software, so it begs the question how much of it is the result of actual hardware improvement, and how much of it is due to improvements in processing.
nah lumix cm1 with 1 inch sensor is better, just so rare to see one
Zeiss mastered tiny optics decades ago. See the Rollei 35 as example. And of course the Pureviews.
still impressive tho. (apart from the lens flare) but if you talk about the photographs I would say that the 1020 has more "soul" in the pictures?
Woulda been awesome if people hadnt pre-emptively shat all over Windows Phone. Reviewers are guilty of it too. I got bored with Android and Apple, so I used a Nokia Lumia 1520 for 2 years. In spite of the reported lack of apps, I had apps for just about everything I needed, and to this day I feel like it was the best experience Ive ever had with a smart phone. The OS is miles ahead of static icon grids in practical use. I loved it, yet nobody seemed to want to take the time to understand its benefits because "ewww it doesnt have snap chat".
I'm sticking with my trusty 950, but i still have the 1520 and use it as a small tablet nowadays. Still goes just fine! And the battery life of the 1520 is just epic!! On average it does 4-5 days, even as phone, making calls, watching some youtube vids the lot. I had the 1020, and sold it, but I still enjoy many of the superb pictures i shot with it. if only people would choose for potential, instead of present day performance, but the average person is just too dumb to understand what that means....
Yep, I had Lumia as a second phone for work, and really really enjoyed it. Shame they screwed it up.
Just use BB10, most best phone i use ever.
I had one of the first lumia phones, not sure wich one, 900-something maybe? however, I think windows phone was amazing, it realy was fun to use. and it was something different for a change. surely it wasnt as mature as android or apple back than, but people never gave it a chance, for the reasons you mentioned. maybe you also remember webOS by palm, that OS was also way ahead of its time, that OS was genius. it got killed just like windows phone. We could realy need a 3rd or 4th smartphone system, just so we have more choices than only apple and google. but that wont happen anymore.
the only problem with Windows Phone was that nobody liked and they the same Microsoft did big mistakes like at first in first versions do not have an notifications centre or switchs for basic things like wi-fi or screen rotation lock those mistakes made things go wrong, also people when was released windows phone 7.5 they expected have the same amount of apps than they had on an matured Android OS althgought be glitchy but were apps avalaible for virtually everything ad people since do not had much patience then do not was able to do much also Nokia never did any advertisemment on my country at least or have stands of sale on shopping centers on Chile for sell their products, a different approach that HMD is doing with set up stands and make their products avalaible worldwide , tyhe same Europe centered Nokia had the guilt of make windows phone fail.
Awesome video, Nokia was way ahead of other oems in camera. How about a Nokia 808 revisit too?
Still using 1020 (since Sept. 2014)
Still using Nokia 808 (since October 2012)
Still using 930 :D
still 1020, that camera is THAT great. its my 3rd 1020 actually
Justinas Vosylius im planning to biy a 1020, which is better win 8.1 or 10 ?
I am also using nokia lumia 1020 8n windows 8 but now in 2019 can i upgrade my phone to windows 10? Pllzzzz helps
And I thought you were my guy Juan and you just out here hurting my heart. 😁 I still have my white Lumia 1020 with two camera grips and I have been saying for years that the Lumia 1020's camera sensor was held back by that generation's processors and Windows Phone itself. Aaah, that sensor with a Snapdragon 845, QHD screen, 3500mAh+ battery, microSD expansion, dual pixel focusing, updated software processing algorithms, dedicated image signal processor, and running Android Oreo. 🗣 HOW HARD IS THAT?! 😂 Doesn't Nokia own any of that tech from the Microsoft partnership? You struck a nerve man. 😄🙄
+The RaRa85 LOL yeah. Consumers just don't care about what those benefits would bring, and manufacturers don't care about making a niche device.
JuanBagnell man if only we could have a say just once. That type of device running Android would be a hit IMO though. Too bad.
+The RaRa85 all marketing and perception. Even when the 1020 was new you had a bunch of tech pundits jumping thru hoops to explain why the iPhone was still a better camera than the 1020. That entrenched "team" mentality is even more severe today.
JuanBagnell Glad I'm not the only one who had this thought.
Whats even more frustrating is that despite there being many small and big manufacturers concentrating on niche interpretations of a mobile phone, the camera first phone with proper optics and a big sensor is still not emerging.
If we can have a gaming oriented Razr Phone....why not a photography oriented phone....Considering the reduction in sales of smaller point and shoot cameras in favour of mobile phone photography, may be Canon/Nikon/Sony can actually bring their optics expertise to the world of mobile phones.
Or may be HMD can collaborate with Zeiss and Sony to bring out a spiritual successor to the Lumia 1020 with the new Nokia brand.
Wow, Juan you're epic. You remind me how lacking in detail other gadget review channels are compared to yours.
Thanks. Seems RUclips isn't much interested in my style videos though.
@@SomeGadgetGuy there's always gonna be more folks who just want to know what's best, what to buy. I like your videos cuz I feel like I've learnt something.
One thing I'd like to see as a new trend in mobile photography is the use of glass lenses like in the V30. It might help with the shrinking camera sensor size of newer phones.
Me too! LG wasn't BS-ing. It is a nice benefit.
My dad had this nokia DSLR a long ago that can do every task a smartphone can do.
DXOMark must watch this
MAn oh MAN .... i was asking for this like crazy for a long long time... I ran around posting comments on every single popular tech channel but no one did except you.THANKS!!!!!
Lumia 1020 the only phone on Earth to have a 40 Megapixel sensor , it's really a beast in smartphones .
No Nokia 808 has 41 MP sensor with larger dimensions!
I have an 808
Nokia 808
808 was the true OP in sensor department. Arguably produced better shots than 1020.
Nokia 808 pureview was like 1cm in dept, 1020 they made same sensor but 3x smaller, what would be 1050 maybe another 2x smaller? and same 41mp
I just finally upgraded from my 6-7 year-old Nokia Lumia 1020 yesterday, had an Otterbox case on it from the day of purchase and my screen is still mint, although the same can't be said for the body itself and the Zeiss lens. Hoping my new LG V60 ThinQ lasts just as long, but I have my doubts. I'd still be using my Windows phone if it was still supported (had to hard reset to get out of a power loop and couldn't update the system back to Windows 10-- aka couldn't access app stores or sync my Microsoft emails).
It's really a shame. These phones could last so much longer with better software support. Your 1020 had a good run 👍
Hi Maxwell, I am interesting in buying an LG V series just for video recording and photos, could you tell me if lumia 1020 is a lot better than your V60? Thanks.
Spot on Juan! Spot effn on!
I keep going back to the 1020 in my mind! it really was ahead of it's time, comparing that to today's gen phones is like comparing a Phase One to a FF DSLR. That Mate 10 overexposes too much, 1/3 to a 2/3 stop in some cases. If only, eh? if only they weren't so obsessed over slimness. Imagine if phones were women, I think enough is enough, slimmer isn't always better.
Great vid man, always appreciated your take on tech.
+Kyle Ruggles so much potential wasted. Wanna talk about $1000 phones? Gimme a 1" sensor and we can chat...
This phone was expensive for Nokia to make. And didn't make a big profit for them. That's the only thing I can think of. But this phone camera is awesom. Still use it once in awhile.
well.... Nokia 808 PureView has also 41 MP - but it actually have 1/1.2" sensor!! =]
... and also better Rich Recording, HDMI out, FM transmitter [and receiver also], USB OTG, great display...
Klemen Krnc the display "greatness" Is only because it's an amoled with high brightness for daylight shooting, but resolution is really too low for today's standard
December 2019 and I still use this phone.
I refuse to let go of mine. It was a phone ahead of its time. And by this video it still!!! Stacks up to modern phones. Yes it processes images differently but the shear outputs you can get from this phone are fantastic. Nokia ... make it happen 1040 SD845, OREO and 42mp gotta give a bump in pixel to that sensor.
What I wouldn't give for a modern chipset and top tier specs with a huge camera sensor and new lens. Ugh. WANT SO BAD...
Yes make it happen nokia!
Still love my Nokia Lumia 1020, I bought it just for the Camera, Still the best !!!
How are you getting on with it? I'm thinking of buying one for the camera too and having two phones, my current Huawei P smart 2019 has an awful camera
lumia 1020 kills it..
Comparing any other phone to its picture quality is just make-believe, even with the new ones, this video included. 1020 wins, no contest.
Where can a 1020 user today still find a resource of 8.1 apps and instructions about reinstalling, installing apps, etc ? I have a 1020 ..
Yeah itself lmao
I have a Nokia 1020. I have a problem in that when I bluetooth my images to another device, I am only able to transfer the .jpg images. But I am taking both Raw and Jpg images.
I have tried plugging a USB cable into the phone, but neither my Mac nor my Wndows machine can see the Nokia 1020.
Is anyone able to help please ?
OMG i am in 2018 and i am still using Lumia1020 during my trips
Incredible! Make a video on Lumia 950 how it still holds up, I have seen that recently Windows Camera got updated for Lumia 950 phones.
Ah, I remember my Nokia N82 with 5MP, Xenon Flash and 3X Optical Zoom and OIS back when the iPhone had a 2MP snapper :D
N82 didn't have OIS
i still using nokia lumia 1020 :D , ~6 years of use and still works perfectly
I'm a photographer, the Lumia 1020 always come with me, got a good battery grip for it so it's easier to hold, i bought it back in 2014, the black version, best phone i ever had and i still use it and will continue to use it, being used to high end camera's i'm very pleased with how it's back camera performs, it's OS and overall usability is excellent, so is the battery life, unlike the modern smartphones which are usually oversized, ultra thin and fragile with poor battery life and clunky OS's and poor camera performance and lastly today's phones are insanely expensive.
What an epic time that was,it felt like magic,innovation at best,design in harmony with nature and people,memories of which still burns up like fire,still ignites the feeling of the past,you are not far away my friend , you have made a way to my heart.Love you buddy.You are fire baby.
Imagine that size sensor with HDR+ level proccessing
+llennoco22 RIGHT!
llennoco22 HDR+ is just software and drama filtre, i prefer true Dynamic Range
Quoutub We all know how HDR works
But anyway its software, you can make that effect in Photoshop or Lightroom using several shots, that doesn't make the hardware better is an illusion, a fast solution but limited at the same time.
HDR + is not real dynamic range, it is a postprocess, That is why the images taken in this mode have Halos in the high contrast areas, oversharpening and excesive microcontrast.
This does not happen in cameras with true wide dynamic range, where the images look much more natural and less artificial.
Emmanuel Santos it's true it is a composite rather than natural dynamic range but it still increases dynamic range. It is however much better than no processing when it comes to the sensor size and performance in phones. Sure if you have a massive sensor with better dynamic range that would be better even if it had the same range. However, phones are small so what can you expect? The lumia is push the limits of most people's tolerance of a fat phone. If you want a big sensor, by a DSLR.
llennoco22 I think that the manufacturers should improve the hardware too... But frankly it does not seem that they intend to do it.
i am still using my lumia 1020 and till now i got 300+ photography awards . thanks goes to lumia 1020
Lumia vs pixel 2: that would be great video as well...👍
Frank Niethardt nice, like it👍
I hear Nokia's engineer that handled the image processing on the camera of Nokia is now working for Google pixel
Yup
Lumia 1020 Vs P20pro, 41 mpixel vs 40 mpixel :P
@@Mabswer i use the p20 pro its awesome
Impressively hanging on, 5 years later. Thanks for your video, it gave the 1020 the props it deserves without wallowing in nostalgia or hiding from facts. Much appreciated! I still use a 1020 today, my current one came from a bunch of broken phones I bought and cost me $8.50. In some ways I prefer Windows Phone 8.1 to Windows 10 Mobile. A very simple, elegant, customisable UI. And the 1020's camera is great. Keep up the good work, Juan.
In MOST ways I prefer Windows OS. Absolutely the most elegant solutions to mobile UI, just a shame MS seemed unable (or unwilling) to iterate and evolve more consistently.
Zeiss is Still Best ....
There is phones that use zeiss sensors still today , Nokia 8
Agreed, even a pricier phone couldn't still beat my L730 at specific conditions.
Nokia has been back in business(in a round about way) for 2 years now. I myself have a new Nokia phone running Android 9 with Zeiss lenses.
Zeiss: First In Space, too.
Incredible Video very educational. Still have my 1520 and may just do a revisit on that Device. Thanks for this Video Jaun ✌️
Today my 1020 Die, And I miss so much that camera, R.I.P. Nokia 1020 the best 3 years of all the phothos of I have
I'd love to see an updated version of this video with a Huawei Mate 30 Pro, or maybe even the new S20 Ultra
The true legend is the 808 ...
auresims Nokia developed that phone for 5 years (yes), and when it comes to launch time, symbian is gonna dead. Nokia move to Windows Phone and port the Tech and algorithm from Symbian to WP in a year. So i think that’s really suprising.
Dude those colors with the Lumia and the photos of the ball it's just awesome
The lumia 1020 is best camera phone in the world
Fantastic video as usual Juan! Great to see you over here! The 1020 is still one of my all time favorite when it comes to smartphone photography, and this video just proves how right we are 😉
I love to see pure camera phone in a size 808 pureview with modern software. I dont mind smaller screen and almost 20mm thickness, I think 1" sensor would fit.
+Syahril Jamil modern processor and this phone would be a MONSTER camera phone.
Try LUMIX cm-1 from Panasonic, it has 1 inch sensor
and is an awesome camera phone
Just miss this phone so much - was looking at my old pics on my one drive from this phone - nothing competes!
I still have my black 1020 and its camera grip case. It's still my favorite camera phone. I was holding out soooo long for windows mcclaren which nwver saw the light of day which is so sad. I guess im a niche market. This, the pebble, is there a category for this kind of tech? I guess you can add querty keyboards here too!
+Pinakapanget Ditto. It's rare I feel a phone is REALLY made for me.
1020 was an awesome phone for photos back then... Great video as always!
Hey Juan!
Do you still think there'd be an audience that would want that larger sensor size, like the photography/videography enthusiast market? Or has lens quality and software processing advanced so much that it'd be unnecessary? If there is, which company would you bet would put out that experimental revisit of a 2/3" sensor design?
+Kyle K unfortunately I don't think it'd be a very big market. Most folks are fine with the smaller sensor fare offered today, and likely wouldn't value the benefits enough to warrant the additional cost.
If any company could, it might be Sony or Panasonic. Samsung was rumored to be working on a 2/3" sensor, but recent isocell rumors point to them going smaller instead.
JuanBagnell Crossing my fingers, there'd be a spiritual successor to the Lumia 1020 HAHA
Thank you so much for your response, looking forward to your channel and Pocketnow's future coverage!
JuanBagnell I would be interested! With s660 or up, good battery life and waterproofing.
What a great relevant comparison. My wife loved her 1020, and still misses her camera, good to see that her memory is pretty accurate.
Yup. People who were into the 1020 knew a very VERY good camera. I'm sure she probably felt like her next phone was a step back.
Wait a sec! Does that camera have mechanical shutter???
+CG Crazy yup!
Yes, those days.. even my Sony Ericsson K850i had mechanical shutters and xenon flash.!
N73, N8 also have mechanical shutter. And I love the design, durability, display(though small) and camera(both image and video rec) of my Nokia N8. And yes it is still working like new 😉
but i guess, SONY Ericsson was the first to bring it in... btw..
yes Sony brought that in with a 2 mp camera of k750i
edit: with auto focus on half press in 2003-2004 time.
I was just hoping that someone will make a video on 1020, and you did it, Thank you so much !!! ❤️
Hey can you revisit Lumia 950 xl , actually that's the phone which was last hope to Windows phone users and hence no windows phones can be seen yet .
allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/22562_Camera_head_to_head_Lumia_950_.php
The quality of this video (in all aspects) made me a subscriber, love your stuff!
Reppin the true king: Nokia 808! 2018
Coming back to this video in May 2021, I'm glad your concerns about larger sensors not being pursued have been put to rest. We have some amazing sensors now to last well into the future
Never been happier to call my shot and get it wrong.
Love mine! I still have it! :D
nice, is WhatsApp still working on this phone?
It was outdated last year, now it's obsolete, upgrade it. The only thing it's good at is camera
same here, i just ordered new flex cable for it because it doesn't want to be recognised on pc, and i am sad only because i never get opportunity to upgrade to 10XX :(
How much is this mobile?
when i bought it 5 years ago (when it came out) i paid it 500 euros, now it's really hard to find new one
i found it in my country only on 1 site, 290 euros
What a refreshing review. Makes me proud to still be using my Lumia 1020. It felt so advanced when I got it, and now it feels like a cherished antique. I wish Windows Phone had succeeded. I still really love the operating system. It just makes sense to me, it always has from the start.
Nokia take notes for the next gen please
+MJ Reviews new chipset and modern screen with this sensor...
Great video. The photos from the Lumia really feel like memories and so much more natural.
Truth. It's such a great camera.
I really wish Microsoft never stopped making phones. I always had one with me. My lumia 950 xl is still my favorite phone of all time. I liked it better than my iPhone XS Max and op7 pro.
I remember you!
You,re the best reviewer of windows phone before!
Keep up the good reviews mate
+Rod 29 I really miss those WP8.1 days... Sigh...
Me too, I still have the Nokia Lumia 1520 and Lumia 925, they're still usable but I chose not to use them anymore and just like everybody, I switched to android. However, I am keeping my eyes open for whatever MS does in the future.
1020 got more naturality
Still have my own. 2016 used it to film my 5 days hiking trip to wilderness. It even saves the GPS location to photos without internet.
I assume you turned the Location setting on, am I right?
@@FAT8893 Don't remember the settings but in Nokia it is in the camera settings somewhere. Asking do you want to save GPS coordinates. It is not live locations like now days. Apple does not have this feature in my iPhone8. Battery can last easily few day taking pictures and video without internet connection.
Too sad there's currently no phone that could replace it. I have mine, and those high res photos grew on me so much, that 12MP looks horrible for me now😕.
I have it with Windows 10 and it's really good device.
To any owner of this phone, I recommend enabling notification LED (Windows button) and enabling 8000 ISO (6400 in Lumia Camera) - difference is really visible. (Everything can be done through registry, though Lumia Camera needs system update to see and use higher ISO, idk why - Windows Camera sees new ISO automatically)
Great points! Didn't know about the ISO hack.
sorry I'm lost with this "ISO Hack" thing and LED. not really sure how to do it? or do I have to upgrade my 1020 to a stable Windows 10 for this phone first?
thanks mate
Great narration! My nostalgia for the 1020’s camera was thoroughly invoked 😪
Have you gone solo?
Tech Thusiast I was wondering the same thing. Maybe he's planning on going solo by Laying the ground work.
Pretty obvious something changed, because Pocket Now is not even listed as one of his channels on his channel...
Tech Thusiast been wondering this too... No official announcement yet?
Tech Thusiast wondering the same too. As he didn't appear on any CES coverage on PocketNow channel, instead he had his CES videos uploaded on his own channel.
He has answered this already in a previous video's comment section.
He said he was just "widening his scope" (the exact wording might be different). In other words, he hasn't really left pocketnow, yet.
Nokia camera photo of ball gives warm feelings and made memories .
I had Nokia Lumia 1020 Pureview and was 1 of my Best i ever had.
Other Nokia and Microsoft with Great Camera that i had are:
1st Nokia Lumia 1020 PureView (41MP) - (2013).
2nd Nokia 808 PureView (41MP) - (2012).
3rd Nokia Lumia 930 (20MP) - (2014).
4th Microsoft Lumia 950 XL (20MP) - (2015).
Been thinking about this phone, how it stacks up with the newer ones camera wise. Thanks for bringing it Juan.
Another phone that was years ahead when it comes to camera performance, specially video quality, was the LG Arena KM900, i loved that phone, launched in 2009, it had a crisp beautiful screen, it recorded in 3gp but in WVGA format, the shutter speed was 30fps, during the daylight the videos and photos were beautiful, it even produced nice bokeh.
That phone could record up to 240fps, but i often used just 120 because the resolution was decreased, it was January 2011 and i was shooting slow motion with my friends at the pool haha.
But, it sucked really bad in low light, the iPhone 4 was better in low light, but i liked the LG Arena more for outdoor shots.
+Khotta Bogard kinda sad we've lost some of that crazy experimental flavor phones used to have.
JuanBagnell pretty much every phone was unique back then, it's sad how they slowly standardized to 1 very defined format, there's no flavor of the month anymore.
Nostalgic ❤️❤️ thanks juan for covering this in 2018
Dual cameras trend is the worst thing that happened to phone camera industry. Instead of focusing on better sensors and approach dslr quality. They went with this gimmicky method which gives you made-in-china photos. Even worse, some companies offer 4 cameras and many of them are fake just for the sake of showing dual cam
WiLDFiRe GTR removal of the headphone jack is worse
and sealing the battery. f**k apple starting this shitty trend
@@arboyz4869 Dont forget the notch
No
I still use this phone for picture and video taking. Awesome video!!
My good old nokia 808 pureview can eat Iphone X, Pixel 2, Mate 10 and all other in terms of image quality
Lack of OIS is pretty much it's only downfall as a camera. Well, okay, maybe the processor could do with being a bit more powerful.
ankush banerjee lol. Whatever. Had this camera phone and it was good but not that good.
@@johnblack8187 Its still that good. Nowaday flagship maybe good in term of software processing but they still have small sensor.
My Nokia Lumia 1020 and my Huawei Mate 10 Pro ...!!! Great video JuanBagnell and great Phones !!!
How about Panasonic Lumix CM1?
It was never officially shipped to the USA?
CM1 came down to £250 as far as I recall. I didn't have the money spare and I think it always ran an older version of Android. Otherwise it was something that peaked my interest.
One thing which we can't deny is the special place Nokia brand has in our heart. No matter what brand you are using but secretly somewhere in our hearts we hold a place for Nokia
Physics! Physics just is unbeatable.
SERIOUSLY nokia should do a 2020
Yes, small sensor never can beat large sensor. Its like 1000cc car cant beat 4000cc in term of power performance
@@vigd6298 but it does
I was just asking myself the same question recently! Juan Bagnell, the only tech youtuber making the videos I really care about.
1020 is best
+tach Bangla it's so slow now, but it's still a monster camera.
JuanBagnell ,yes.... that's why. bigger senser do lot more ....
If you love that huge sensor, but hate the speed, you should try the 808. Great pictures without the huge delay. The trade off with choosing the 1020 over the 808 was the modern OS of the 1020. Since that is no longer the case, the 808 is the clear winner in all categories.
The only problem in the 808 is the lack of the OIS
Good review. I have very warm feelings about this phone.
Carl Zeiss always win Sorry to google pixel or leica camera still cant beat Carl Zeiss
yes, Carl Zeiss paints very well, but the dynamic range of modern gadgets is already better
its a pity that fuji do not make lenses for smartphones, better then zeiss and leica
@@Vadimbeldij pixel? They use software to make photo good not because of camera lens.
The 1020 xenon flash was so great. Also it had a manual exposure mode and an awesome handgrip. Overall lovely phone.
can u please make a camera comparison between iphone X vs lumia 1020 vs pixel 2 xl
As an ex-owner of a shockingly yellow 1020 and now a more than satisfied Mate 10 Pro owner, I found this video EPIC, almost a sentimental thing. The old dude still gives great results. Ode to the old king.
Don't worry nokia 10 is coming this year with snapdragon 845 and 41mp camera.
Ankit Godhekya Nice 👍
Hoping it rocks.
Eh, judging from the Nokia 8 which I got, kinda wished HMD worked on the stock camera software more. Getting way better results, when it comes to the bokeh thing and colors with the modded Pixel cam software than the Nokia one. Great hardware, let down a tad by the camera software.
That would be great! But remember it's not just about high-megapixel counts. There is a lot more in the Lumia 1020 why it's still one of the best camera phones out there, and it's turning into a legend.
That would be great!
but it seems that HMD is just using Nokia's name and some of its tech or ideas to sell but not really developing the best phones the way it did before.. 😥
Brilliant video man, and yes it's sad that we don't get cameras like on the 1020. Imagine how stunning the pictures would be with a sensor like that and the power we have now.
Fingers crossed we see a few more larger sensor experiments...
Lumia 1020 photos still looks significantly better than iphone x
Dude this was something different .... i loved this video
I still use and own a 1020 and CANNOT find ANY smartphone to come after this in term of raw photo quality (sharpness, details, resolution, light fidelity) without all these shitty hdr enhancements they make nowadays.
Help !
Amazing video! Excellent comparison. Very interesting and different...
I am using 1020 until last week, the camera OMG is always fantastic.
Nice video, I still use my 1020 today, love the camera take it ever where I go and snap photos with it.
It's still a killer point and shoot.
I miss my Lumia :(
They make me sad that MS fell apart, but I'm glad I kept mine.
JuanBagnell the camera and its features kept me going. Flash and HDR adjustment was so freaking good! I don't care what your creepy tunnel photo show, my night time San Francisco photos rock! :D
Holy Lord that first baseball shot off the 1020 actually made me gasp! Thing of beauty, that, I'd almost get one just to use as a camera.
It's such a gorgeous camera. So far ahead of the curve.