Genesis - I Know What I Like [In Your Wardrobe] (Live 2007)

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  • @hereswhatmyseeingeyedogsez7745
    @hereswhatmyseeingeyedogsez7745 9 месяцев назад +16

    Chester Thompson & Phil Collins: Two of the hardest working men in show business.

  • @grummanfanschneid
    @grummanfanschneid 2 года назад +33

    Though many comments are from the past - because of my mom I grew up with Genesis - She’s 79 and I’m 57 - I first heard of Genesis in 79 - saw many concerts so much thnx to all in the Band - Miss u all but we all get old unfortunately

    • @sydhamelin1265
      @sydhamelin1265 2 года назад

      Yeah, I can't remember how I found them, but I got into the PG era stuff when I was going through my college days looking into all sorts of 'what's out there' kind of music. I grew up in the 80s so I remember hearing Genesis on the radio and was shocked to hear the difference.
      I really like that, despite the HUGE shift in tone, they still pay tribute to their older music. I mean, Collins wasn't even in the band when Stagnation was recorded, but they still do a great tribute to it.

    • @BookimCrocker
      @BookimCrocker 10 месяцев назад +1

      I'm guessing Wind & Wuthering 😍

  • @MattLeDonne27
    @MattLeDonne27 9 лет назад +137

    My absolute favorite moment in this performance is when they kick in with the Stagnation part and Phil just smiles and turns the mic to audience and they all start singing. Goosebumps every time.

    • @kevingarrett8477
      @kevingarrett8477 8 лет назад +9

      I agree! I love that part too

    • @campagnol1
      @campagnol1 7 лет назад +10

      Me too! Trespass gets in there!!!

    • @paulayers1111
      @paulayers1111 4 года назад +8

      Exactly! I love that they at least pay homage to that bit of their career with Anthony by doing that melody

    • @SeaCheles.Love.4
      @SeaCheles.Love.4 4 года назад +2

      Me four!!! LoL excellent...

    • @vandamedeirosneri2560
      @vandamedeirosneri2560 3 года назад

      @@kevingarrett8477 1QQ1?
      Onde vc

  • @TheDrunkSpartan1337
    @TheDrunkSpartan1337 8 лет назад +60

    6:04 so beautiful to hear the stadium singing along to Stagnation

  • @dougfarrell7355
    @dougfarrell7355 4 года назад +131

    This breaks my heart because we'll never see Phil do that with a tambourine ever again.

    • @hogweed1975
      @hogweed1975 3 года назад +3

      Apparently, he just did it, sitting down, in Birmingham. :)

    • @przemysawdobrzynski2590
      @przemysawdobrzynski2590 3 года назад +4

      @@hogweed1975 Yeah, I saw that. It was heartbreaking to be honest :(

    • @hogweed1975
      @hogweed1975 3 года назад +15

      @@przemysawdobrzynski2590 Don't know. He's old. And frail. That's life, my friend. That he chooses to not let it stop him doing fun things, and not be ashamed of the frailty we are all going to experience, doesn't break my heart at all. In fact, it fills it with joy.

    • @przemysawdobrzynski2590
      @przemysawdobrzynski2590 3 года назад +6

      @@hogweed1975 There is something very consoling in what you're saying. Still, looking at his performances from decades ago and seeing him now in this state reminds me about the tragedy of the human life. At some level it can be beautiful and accepting this can be empowering but it's also sad that everyone of us is gonna have to face it.

    • @bumper321
      @bumper321 2 года назад

      @@przemysawdobrzynski2590 Out of curiosity, did you see him do the tambourine while seated live or in video clips?

  • @stuarttoyn5744
    @stuarttoyn5744 10 лет назад +55

    GENESIS, I HAVE BEEN A BIG FAN SINCE 1974, I HAVE MOST OF THEIR ALBUMS AND PHIL YOU ARE THE GREATEST.

  • @siobhanhayes9785
    @siobhanhayes9785 5 лет назад +25

    Roma 🇮🇹... I was there, lived it, breathed it, loved it.. speciali✌️

    • @glynisroberts5029
      @glynisroberts5029 5 лет назад +2

      Lucky you!!!

    • @squonk86
      @squonk86 5 лет назад +3

      Saw this in the States and was the best concert from them that I have seen and have seen them since 1977...

    • @julietanner5665
      @julietanner5665 4 года назад

      Hollywood bowl show 2007

    • @michellerjackson5776
      @michellerjackson5776 4 года назад +1

      @@squonk86 Wow, I'm choked up everytime I here Phil's vocals with the band. Never have seen them or Phil's solo shows~👍😭💃❤

    • @squonk86
      @squonk86 4 года назад +2

      @@michellerjackson5776 I'm so sorry you never got to see Genesis or Phil solo and they did put on the best concerts I have ever seen.. I don't know where your from but Genesis is getting back together just to do shows in the U.K.

  • @charlesgorman9830
    @charlesgorman9830 8 лет назад +55

    The crowd is so cool towards the end as they sing along. Daryl's solo is so crisp, the tone he gets is unreal!

  • @waynedurning8717
    @waynedurning8717 Месяц назад +2

    Cool seeing them honoring their roots and the vision of Gabriel.

  • @qhotdogs5246
    @qhotdogs5246 10 месяцев назад +5

    This live performance brings me to tears. I don't know what about this is so powerful, but a performer like Phil Collins and the beautiful melody this song brings is so impactful. Grateful for this band and all their wonderful works.

  • @sempol3322
    @sempol3322 2 года назад +10

    One of THE best moments is 7:21 when Phil just yes “YES!” And hops. God he is legendary!

  • @pup1008
    @pup1008 9 лет назад +50

    Love it when Phil sings "It's your show.... ROMA it's YOUR show!" Shame if that was lost in translation, it's a lovely sentiment!

    • @VasilyMusic
      @VasilyMusic 5 лет назад +4

      It wasn't you can hear the ovations

  • @marylesinski
    @marylesinski 9 месяцев назад +10

    I dont care what anybody says... his voice was RIPE! On this tour! ❤️ LOVE!

  • @darthmasterwindu9237
    @darthmasterwindu9237 2 года назад +19

    Richard hammond would simply love this

  • @pup1008
    @pup1008 7 лет назад +63

    Greatest band the UK has ever produced - hands down! Probably the greatest band the WORLD has ever produced!

    • @jeftesantos6845
      @jeftesantos6845 4 года назад +1

      Don't forget: Earth, Wind & Fire

    • @pup1008
      @pup1008 4 года назад

      @@jeftesantos6845
      Funny enough an English guy I respect immensely, who is a radio presenter, reckons *E W & F* as one of the greatest & his background is actually in Punk!

    • @jeftesantos6845
      @jeftesantos6845 4 года назад

      @@pup1008 Ok. It' allright!!!

    • @lauremehrkens5891
      @lauremehrkens5891 4 года назад +1

      Don’t forget Led Zepplin. Genesis how ever, is my most favorite band of all time. And have been for 45yrs.

    • @pup1008
      @pup1008 4 года назад

      @@lauremehrkens5891
      I like Zep but they are a little bit like musical magpies. The whole Stairway to Heaven/Taurus thing stuck in my throat a bit....
      Back in the day I used to knock about with *Jason Bonham,* mate of mine was in a band with him!

  • @johnmatthews3990
    @johnmatthews3990 4 года назад +13

    What a beautiful voice Phil Collins has.

  • @chimp3618
    @chimp3618 5 лет назад +9

    A true "Super Group" lasting the test of time gentlemen, Phil I wish you a speedy recovery. God Bless.

  • @cindymills5166
    @cindymills5166 10 месяцев назад +2

    We are never going to hear him sing again. It breaks my heart as well

  • @dnbibbo2248
    @dnbibbo2248 7 лет назад +20

    I Know What I Like and Stagnation both have those simple hook melodies that get in your head all day.

  • @kndvolk
    @kndvolk 3 года назад +12

    Phil in great voice and form here. Great sound guys with an awesome song from their legendary progrock period, my favorite time for Genesis.

  • @paulthrupp8759
    @paulthrupp8759 6 лет назад +19

    Love it when the crowd get into the song absolutely awesome!!!!

    • @squonk86
      @squonk86 5 лет назад +3

      Yea it was like that when I saw them in Buffao N.Y and the crowd was singing every tune and I was hoarse for 3 days after this concert... Best ever!!!

  • @lisawallis-g8p
    @lisawallis-g8p 10 месяцев назад +7

    What a band....The best ever!!!!!

    • @SloMo2723
      @SloMo2723 8 месяцев назад

      Totally agree!

  • @leitemagal
    @leitemagal 7 лет назад +10

    I love when he sings the Stagnation Chorus!!!

    • @campagnol1
      @campagnol1 7 лет назад +1

      I would love him to but at least you get the guitar solo :-)

  • @TheSmoopyloops
    @TheSmoopyloops 6 лет назад +11

    This brings tears to my eyes. Saw them play this 2 or 3 times. Last time Phil Collins did it sitting in a chair. Wasn't the same, but it still brought tears to me eyes. That was their Farewell tour. Sad.

  • @ForceMaximus84
    @ForceMaximus84 5 лет назад +23

    Ok, I legit did not expect Phil to go full ham with the tambourine. Awesome!

  • @jsandersstamps81
    @jsandersstamps81 2 года назад +4

    The true sound of Genesis, whoever sings it!
    Pete.

  • @meloland5649
    @meloland5649 3 года назад +4

    Wonderful Performance, I love how Phil play with tambourine.

  • @JuanCarlosOrduna
    @JuanCarlosOrduna 7 лет назад +10

    I was the fortune to see this tour in Montreal in 2007and was really amazing!! Without doubt, My favorite band!!

  • @martinjohncameron
    @martinjohncameron 3 года назад +6

    One of my desert island discs - and I love the tambourine antics. Phil turned this into a live favourite.

  • @DrEdwinV
    @DrEdwinV 3 месяца назад +1

    First time live goosebumps with this song in 1978. Still goosebumps today. Remember Phil doing his tambourine like it was yesterday ❤

  • @gr329
    @gr329 16 дней назад

    What an unique voice this man have.

  • @sabinegrella5943
    @sabinegrella5943 8 лет назад +38

    I love this song and Phil Collins

  • @tparker2095
    @tparker2095 8 лет назад +53

    For a guy who struggles to play drums do to Arthritis, Phil sure know's how to rock a tambourine!

    • @TheMetalMisfits
      @TheMetalMisfits 4 года назад

      I thought it was due to a back thing?

    • @suzettespencer
      @suzettespencer 4 года назад

      Trying to collect disability.

    • @martinadolfodelapena5063
      @martinadolfodelapena5063 4 года назад +4

      @@suzettespencer Shaking my head for your comment...

    • @matthewfinlay5583
      @matthewfinlay5583 3 года назад

      When some people play the fuck out of the drums over years and years, all over the world, like Phil has, the back is destroyed. He had to have his back practically rebuilt

  • @petermainwald6413
    @petermainwald6413 5 лет назад +12

    Absolutely gorgeous how they mixed the songs so seamlessly.....

  • @hereswhatmyseeingeyedogsez7745
    @hereswhatmyseeingeyedogsez7745 10 месяцев назад +2

    OK...utterly brilliant.

  • @anthonynasti1279
    @anthonynasti1279 3 года назад +2

    Phil and Ray Cooper are the only people who can make playing a tambourine that entertaining to watch. Watching this, you wouldn't guess that Phil was already in quite a bit of pain that would eventually confine him to the state he's in now.

  • @pabloikv3836
    @pabloikv3836 5 лет назад +10

    What a great voice from Phil😊💕👌🌸

  • @SloMo2723
    @SloMo2723 5 месяцев назад

    Stop the video at 7:21 and look at the joy on everyone's face. I felt that way in 1978 when I saw Genesis for the first time in Germany. For me this was the greatest band ever!

  • @leitemagal
    @leitemagal 7 лет назад +34

    It´s nice to see 500 hundred thousand people joining Genesis and Phil Collins in only one show!!!

  • @thecypressstation7470
    @thecypressstation7470 10 лет назад +10

    My favorite album ever. I have it on digital, CD and vinyl...

    • @juniorchavesopicassodeyahu988
      @juniorchavesopicassodeyahu988 Год назад +1

      Absolutely GORGEOUS song!!!! This song makes me remind of Avenida Paulista (Paulista Avenue) in the city of Sao Paulo, Brazil. In 2019 I had the opportunity to visit São Paulo. Most songs remind you of certain cities. I missed this city so much

  • @gilbertovidal9950
    @gilbertovidal9950 5 лет назад +5

    Owww. What a great performance´s Phill and his musicians. So amanzing. !!!

  • @rodcamargo6307
    @rodcamargo6307 10 лет назад +14

    i luv this track, forever one of my favs from them!

  • @glynisroberts5029
    @glynisroberts5029 5 лет назад +10

    Great song. Love Genesis and Phil Collins!

  • @GerardHall-s7i
    @GerardHall-s7i Год назад +1

    I am not sure why this track makes me so emotional but maybe it is because it was my first time I heard genesis back in the 70,s...... Thank you for some great memories!!...... So sad to think that they will never play live again 😢

  • @bonniebenson5617
    @bonniebenson5617 6 лет назад +15

    i listen to this song i miss my youth wondering where the time went

    • @michellerjackson5776
      @michellerjackson5776 4 года назад +1

      Me too.

    • @squonk86
      @squonk86 4 года назад +1

      This is classic Genesis and got goosebumps when they sang this in 2007 because they never sang this after 1977 and one of my favorites.

  • @jeftesouza3843
    @jeftesouza3843 7 лет назад +26

    Banda veterana composta de senhores comportados e extremamente educados como manda a tradição britânica. Mike Rutherford c/ sua habitual elegância e classe. Me chama atenção tbm o tom sério e centrado de Tony Banks. Em síntese, a banda Gênesis resume-se em poucas palavras; tudo de bom e refinado gosto musical.

  • @85joeblack
    @85joeblack 2 месяца назад +1

    Thanks Genesis, God bles you all ❤

  • @thomaswalker7032
    @thomaswalker7032 2 года назад +2

    I know every single word Genisis disco period

  • @katyamaria3121
    @katyamaria3121 5 лет назад +4

    Era uma garotinha , quando nos anos setenta vcs se apresentaram no Maracananzinho.
    Amava e continuo amando vcs.
    Saudade de minha geração, que só tinha feras .

    • @jeftesantos6845
      @jeftesantos6845 4 года назад

      Certíssima, Katya Maria. E dizer q/ hj aparecem lixos tais como as duplas sertanejas, Axé Music, Pablo Vittar, Cláudia Leitte, Calypso e outros bostas dizendo-se 'artistas'. E pior ainda, acham-se cantores. São humoristas de palco fazendo palhaçadas. Ah, ja ia esquecendo de incluir nesse rol de podridão, escrotices como Anitta e Ludmilla.

  • @almeidaalmeida3126
    @almeidaalmeida3126 11 месяцев назад +3

    Nossa minha infância, curtia muito, viva o rock, gosto muito do genesis

  • @ivantheteribul
    @ivantheteribul 5 лет назад +48

    1:30 "AAGHH I HATE THAT BIT!!! IT'S THAT BIT!!!"-Richard Hammond.

    • @S.J.1.9.9.1
      @S.J.1.9.9.1 4 года назад +7

      Hahaha! "How should we cheer him up?"...."Genesis normally does the trick"...

    • @monkeyballz168
      @monkeyballz168 4 года назад

      "IM GENESISING HIM"

    • @davidxx7malik
      @davidxx7malik 6 месяцев назад +2

      4:43 Richard Hammond: Bloody keyboard solo!

    • @SuperGolfer29
      @SuperGolfer29 6 месяцев назад

      This is the comment I came for 😂🙈

  • @yw1971
    @yw1971 6 лет назад +10

    Chester (the drummer) keeps this song alive

  • @jean-lucbarrier304
    @jean-lucbarrier304 4 года назад +5

    Des moments inoubliables de ma jeunesse.

  • @NiravShah1982
    @NiravShah1982 6 лет назад +9

    Man, that Daryl knows his way around a fretboard. Superlative.

  • @gw0ouv1
    @gw0ouv1 8 лет назад +9

    superb i love this song.

  • @marleyhenrique5008
    @marleyhenrique5008 7 месяцев назад +2

    O tanto que eu amo essa perfomance não tá escrito ❤

  • @66Nutmeg
    @66Nutmeg Год назад +3

    Oh que saudades da minha adolescência ...
    Ouvir estas maravilhas, intemporais, hoje...levam-me de volta aos meus 13, 14 anos...que nostalgia boa...❤❤❤❤❤

  • @matteobraso
    @matteobraso 6 лет назад +5

    ho le lacrime...11 anni fa ero lì a cantare con altri 500.000 la melodia di Stagnation e Phil e Mike si sono emozionati...

  • @pwhj3286
    @pwhj3286 5 лет назад +9

    Daryl Stuermer absolutely slays that guitar!

  • @WintersWar
    @WintersWar 6 лет назад +6

    the stagnation bit is cool as always, and always a bit different. I love Genesis.

  • @charlyvera1927
    @charlyvera1927 7 лет назад +7

    No logro entender como hay 37 seres humanos que no les gusta esta obra maestra de una banda cómo Genesis

  • @huwjones6862
    @huwjones6862 7 лет назад +2

    So missing these guys!

  • @squonk86
    @squonk86 2 года назад +5

    Damn saw this tour Turn it on Again and love this tune but only when Phil sings it and he puts so much more energy into it well anyway I was hoarse from singing my ass off and they played songs like this,Ripples and their encore The Carpet Crawlers and what a concert this was.Thank you Genesis!!!

  • @coldplayerjoe64
    @coldplayerjoe64 5 лет назад +2

    Beautiful

  • @coolredsilver
    @coolredsilver 5 месяцев назад +4

    I bought this dvd in 2007. It’s the best concert ever. I’ve seen them 14 times. This crowd is well over 500,000. 😃❤️❤️🎸🎸🎹🎹😎😎💗💗👍

  • @oceanbrazil
    @oceanbrazil 14 лет назад +2

    WE ALL MISS YOU GUYS IN OUR COUNTRY !!!
    BRAZIL LOVES YOU TO SEE TURN IT ON AGAIN AND AGAIN!!

  • @LastBastion9999
    @LastBastion9999 5 лет назад +5

    This was the final European date of their 2007 Turn It On Again Tour in front of 500,000 in Rome. Since the early '70s, it's been said that Italian fans were some of the few that were passionate about Genesis' work (even in their more proggy days). Therefore, it's only fitting that perhaps their biggest audience ever would be at this show. The nod to "Stagnation" was another nice touch. BTW, the performance is killer - and the retrospective clips in the background were awesome as well.

  • @roberthayes9842
    @roberthayes9842 4 года назад +1

    From an old funkateer I love this record, always have

  • @ymiblue968
    @ymiblue968 7 лет назад +2

    this is amazing i wish i was there

  • @stephenhall3700
    @stephenhall3700 5 лет назад +4

    fave genesis track............go on phil.saw u leeds roundhay park.nice 1

  • @humanoidorganismmartin6749
    @humanoidorganismmartin6749 11 лет назад +2

    Wow! Just WOW!!!!

  • @alessandrocurci3389
    @alessandrocurci3389 11 месяцев назад +2

    Io purtroppo non sono potuto andare a Roma 😢 Alessandro from italy
    Comunque grazie per essere sempre venuti in Italia i love Genesis

  • @ruthneff6298
    @ruthneff6298 7 лет назад +3

    everyone is having fun in this. band and audience. silly to have negativity here. clearly phil was really engaging the audience. that guitar part i haven't heard in the original version, it's good!!!

  • @pierrickleclercq7381
    @pierrickleclercq7381 8 месяцев назад

    5:26 I love how they added a quick reference to Blood on the Rooftops

  • @rayhalfeld7451
    @rayhalfeld7451 4 года назад +1

    Beautiful melody progressive rock uk classic music

  • @CJSynesthete
    @CJSynesthete 7 лет назад +2

    I remember seeing this live. Loved it then, love it now! 😁

  • @pup1008
    @pup1008 Год назад +9

    Am I allowed to say I'm proud of the music my nation, 🇬🇧, gave the world?
    I don't think I am as we never seem to get a call out for it....😕

    • @robertfranklin8704
      @robertfranklin8704 9 месяцев назад +3

      Australian- born, I have for decades applauded two of the most marvellous creative input the Brits have given the world: the major Romanticist Poets and progessive rock music. Love you super musos, Genesis 😊.

    • @pup1008
      @pup1008 9 месяцев назад

      @@robertfranklin8704
      Thank you very much for that!

    • @eiredalta
      @eiredalta 8 месяцев назад

      Yes mate if there's something to be proud of is definitely british music! You wouldn't brag about your food would ya 😂

    • @pup1008
      @pup1008 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@eiredalta
      👍 Certainly was true about the food but where music & a lot of other things have gone down in the country food has improved an awful lot.
      There might still be a way to go with some people but nationally we are a lot better &, along with a host of celebrity chefs, I think we rank Top 5 for the number of *Michelin* ⭐ restaurants. 👍.

    • @eiredalta
      @eiredalta 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@pup1008 yeah buddy and they all cook french food xD

  • @rubaventura5992
    @rubaventura5992 2 года назад +4

    MARAVILHOSO MARAVILHOSO MARAVILHOSO!!!

  • @Quasar2007
    @Quasar2007 10 месяцев назад

    It’s, it’s that bit!
    Oh great, bloody keyboard solo.

  • @carlomestergiovanni7017
    @carlomestergiovanni7017 7 лет назад +2

    Grande spettacolo da urlo in particolare il basso perfetto

  • @brucesilverman7159
    @brucesilverman7159 Год назад

    Awesome! I've never seen a crowd so big...

  • @sorinchy8034
    @sorinchy8034 9 лет назад +2

    I love your song too much

  • @lewisner
    @lewisner 3 года назад +2

    Never been into Genesis or Phil Collins but I have to say this is a cracking performance of a great song.

  • @jodyboth
    @jodyboth 7 лет назад +1

    Never missed a step, all I got to say is, cool!!!

  • @julietanner5665
    @julietanner5665 4 года назад +1

    Love this song

  • @rachelbluemoondoyon7185
    @rachelbluemoondoyon7185 8 лет назад +6

    J aime Genesis

  • @gw0ouv1
    @gw0ouv1 9 лет назад +1

    love it pure classic genesis.

    • @stephenwhite7469
      @stephenwhite7469 8 лет назад

      +Jim Smith I mean Phil was a part of genesis for 30 years, Gabriel and Hackett 5. Originally Phil was going to drum on this tour but then Gabriel cancelled so Hackett dropped out with a note on his website wishing the tour his best.

    • @stephenwhite7469
      @stephenwhite7469 8 лет назад +4

      +Jim Smith Phil played in those Albums/Songs.... dumbass 😂

  • @jacobdrummond3013
    @jacobdrummond3013 4 месяца назад +3

    Tony Banks looking typically unimpressed with Phil's crowd control skills during the tambourine bit.

  • @josephdale3996
    @josephdale3996 8 лет назад +4

    my baby brother and I , saw them in Indianapolis, 6/28/92 , then again in Columbus, 9/27/07...and to this day , they remain the two best tours dates I've ever made...bar none !

  • @sddriscoll
    @sddriscoll 4 года назад +1

    Wow... love that!

  • @priscilabasso8407
    @priscilabasso8407 9 лет назад +3

    essas e daquelas música que e um hino todas as pessoas que gostam de rock teriam que ser obrigadas a escutar

  • @GeorgeMatthewMusic
    @GeorgeMatthewMusic 4 года назад +1

    I love the stagnation reference!

  • @Love-on7vv
    @Love-on7vv Год назад +3

    Philly always a great show!!!

  • @OfekTheQueenFan2
    @OfekTheQueenFan2 11 лет назад +3

    so awesome! especially the part with Phil's little "dancing"! :)

  • @danvelgtr
    @danvelgtr 4 года назад +1

    Proper Genesis music from the Hackett era . Genesis so miss Steve Hackett . Brilliant.

  • @mvdmusicvideostorefreshthe3224
    @mvdmusicvideostorefreshthe3224 2 года назад +1

    Superba cheese)))) Magnifico.

  • @Patricio-n1p
    @Patricio-n1p Месяц назад

    Los mejore en su genero musical rock melodico b😊bellisimo video mucha geaciad me lleva s viuajar en el tiempo GRANDES GÉNESIS Phill un maestro respetenlo por favor gracias saludos desde Santiago de Chile con micho amor ❤😂😢

  • @paulomoraes671
    @paulomoraes671 4 года назад

    Best of the best!! Amazing an incomparable!

  • @2visiondigital
    @2visiondigital Месяц назад

    Italians. Been fans from the start, from artistic beginnings to later super group.

  • @GiammiPalermo
    @GiammiPalermo 6 лет назад +1

    4.41 is magic...