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they dont want guns because they dont want violence, the others want guns to protect themselves from violence
Pink Lord Basically it looks like people who don’t want violence but don’t understand it doesn’t just go away magically through law and an attempt at making laws to do so ends in truly unnecessary harm and loss of basic human rights, all out of the idea that they don’t like violence. The other side doesn’t like violence either, but understands that violence occurs regardless and that they should, instead of wishing really hard until it goes away, prepare to defend themselves from it.
@@andersoni.7472 97.813% of percentages on the internet are made up
@@feartheghus this is true these people dont understand that the government can't always protect you! Activists often claim to hate the government but want more restriction, censorship and less control over their lives?
If guns is legal in every state of US it'll make a lot easier for school shooter even more than ever.
@@andersoni.7472 US is not the center of the world bro, look up at other countries. It's all about education and environment, not guns law.
Can’t believe rick from the walking dead is anti gun
Lol
First
ikr
I knew somebody would say it ..... Ha aha Ha !!
Though I was the only one
Ok guys can we appreciate how civil this conversation was despite the controversial topic?
Exactly.
Yeah I’m pro 2A but this was a great conversation
Everyone acts civil if they are on gun point.
That's what Jubilee is all about.
It shouldn't be controversial at all.
I loved the girl in the wheelchair. She seems like such a lovely person. She doesn’t deserve what happened to her.
She seemed a bit arrogant
No one deserves what happened to her
Who deserves what happened to her?
@@oceanbreeze1162 about *30% of politicians for instance
edit: changed the percentage after consideration
She was my school substitute teacher 2 years ago and she was pretty chill.
_...increase education..._
*US government has left the chat*
US Government already spends an extreme amount on education.
Figrin D'an and education in my opinion is still not effective
@@GameraS2K its not about cost, its about quality
@@im2groovy I agree. So we should stop asking to fund our education system more and instead fix its issues
No we haven't
The Black guy who was pro-guns seemed to be very approachable and I really respect him.
Nathan Fair ik I just don’t pay attention to their names bc I’m listening to their views
Nathan Fair wtf yes
Nathan Fair bruh what’s your problem?💀
Nathan Fair it’s not that deep okay Nathan
@Nathan Fair Your day is ruined because someone disagreed with you on the internet
I live in Denmark where guns are VERY illegal, but there are still on pretty frequent occasions where there are people caught with an semi or automatic gun. You just can’t get rid of guns completely.
Yeah that I understand. But to prevent someone anyone from actually owning a gun legally, it can greatly reduce the easy access to do harm. I imagine a scenario that I'm going to my friend's house and there's a gun... I'm like dude are you going to shoot me?! Or even if it's a nice guy they point a gun on him.. I don't understand how damaging it is for the brain. I expected Americans to be smarter than that. I live in Brazil, which yeah there's guns but half of my people won't even considered as protection.
Exactly, which is why we shouldn’t have any laws at all. Unless you can completely solve a problem, there’s no point in trying to reduce it, right?
@@gaflgon3115 I'm just giving a perspective. haha😂
@@gaflgon3115 i agree, i mean, i don't think we should have EVERYTHING but like we should still be able to have most of everything, the government should be afraid of taking our freedom knowing we have the same things they have
@@FillipMBeck Your "perspective" is useless. Thanks.
I have an aunt who for 30+ years was unbelievably anti gun. All it took is that feeling of being helpless, one time. A guy knocking on her door in the middle of the night was ALL it was, he wasnt violent, he wasnt loud; just knocking late at night. She was so helpless and terrified (over nothing in this case) that she went out and bought a gun and got training in the following weeks.
You're anti gun until you NEED a gun to protect you and your loved ones.
I don't want to ever need to hold a firearm. My hands would never stop shaking
@@taleoftwowolves74 Then seek training and insight cause you might any way yk?
@@jeffybezos9517 Not until I head to the US and even then
Just the thought of it unsettles me, guns make me uncomfortable
@@taleoftwowolves74 I was unsettled by knives when i was younger, then my parents taught me how to use them and now im almost completely unfaced by them.
Once you know how to handle them the fear goes away
@@romantkac7766 Doesn't change the fact that I really don't want to hold a weapon
Fear and nervousness aside I just don't wanna hold a gun
Why is Rick against guns if he killed so many walkers with them
Lmaooo.
😂😂😂😂
lol
God dammit
Nat X best comment ever
“You don’t need a gun, just call the cops!”
You're calling another man with a gun to come save you.
That takes more than 10 minutes to get there.
Most people who own guns live in rural areas where police response time is slower.
Facts lmao🤣
@@Yankee9771 Fr, and alot of times you won't even get your justice
Also, the cop is the one enforcing gun laws
I really wish you guys would release full uncut versions of these major conversations
Seriously. They cut this one to nine measly minutes.
Honestly it’s free revenue if they have a separate channel for uncut content
“ you don’t need guns, just call the police”
Same type of people: DEFUND THE POLICE
Fr I don't get those types of people
defund doesn’t mean abolish lol but yeah that argument was very flawed
Not the same people necessarily
@@jadastired basically the same thing, police would lose training which is the last thing we want
@@jamjam91171 not really, defunding is taking some of the giant portion of money given to police for militarized weapons and redirecting it to other gov funded places like schools and healthcare. Abolishing would be getting rid of the police as a whole due to it first being created with racist motives and that system never having been dismantled.
The guy with dreads is such a real one. Hes got my respect
Hawaiin Guy same bro
Same
Agreed.....
yes! i was just thinking the same thing, i agree with everything he said!
Same, and it is sad that one of the anti gun just kept talking out of turn.
You dont start out as pro gun.
Every single southerner ever:
👁👄👁
As a southern that’s not true if you want to shoot a gun you have to have like an hour of education about 1 gun before you shoot it
@Cole Futral pretty sure he is talking about America and this is a joke
Does a baby that's just been born say that? Of course not!
As a Texas this is false I’ve been loving guns since before I was born
You’ve never been to the south have you lol?
I love to see a version of this show but with academics, like people who have dedicated their lives to one topic but have still reached different conclusions. I think it would be more interesting to see people put forward arguments based on statistics, facts and trends instead of how they think something works. Maybe even academics from different countries.
nah
that wouldnt fit this videos pro gun agenda.
Look to colion noir. He is willing to have a discussion with anyone who will oppose or debate him. There has been a lot of dishonesty on the coverage of this topic
Gotta love how the claim “you don’t need a gun! Call the police!” Aged lol
20 seconds in, "did he just tell that lady in a wheel chair to go stand over there!?"
Alexander Parent lol that what I was thinking I felt kind of bad chuckling but oh well I knew what he meant
0:20
Well I guess he can't exactly just say to her "roll over there" hahahahahahah
Alexander Parent damn you had to go there 😂
Alexander Parent then what else would he say
Thank god there weren’t any Karens in there and they all talked respectfully
@@urdilatedeyez and have a high following on SM
Fr
@@urdilatedeyez not all their videos, there are some very annoying people
@@urdilatedeyez not all... at one point they put an incel into the men’s rights advocates vs feminism video.
I'm pretty impressed with this series overall for that exact reason. With a few exceptions, almost every episode I've watched, I've gone into it with a preconceived notion of what certain people are going to say, based on their looks or their position on the issue, and have come away realizing that they're real people with real thoughts.
Even though I know it, I'm learning more and more that the majority of people out there are actually thoughtful, and can be respectful of each other's opinions. There are relatively few people that are just "sheep". It's really too bad that our current political climate has made us so automatic to make surface judgements of each other.
The car analogy was the best. (Was the #2 cause of death behind heart disease in the US for the longest time-dont recall where gun violence sat in the rankings)
When you are barely trying to learn how to drive you aren't going to jump into rush hour traffic in a large city. You practice, you learn, you take your time to become a safe driver.
Apply the same logic with guns. Safe gun handling should be part of the public school curriculum if you ask me.
Interesting vid.
My problem with this is anti-gun people almost always have absolutely ZERO knowledge about guns or the laws already in place.
its kinda why the wild west towns BANNED guns from their towns.
Fax, most still believe that we don't run background checks and that u can just pick one up like buying Candy
THIS so much...
They actually care less about the research and just want guns to dissapear thinking policy actually does something.
And that's the reason school shootings in the US is a common thing...
@@rynreaperz8716 Sounds like you've got it all figured out.
Poor Sarah no woman should ever have to go through that. What a strong woman.
Yea it sucks what happened to her MAYBE IF SHE HAD A GUN IT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
@@manwithacr1054 that's what she was saying in the video
@@adamgrgrg2950 I know
@@adamgrgrg2950 yea, but if only she would have listened instead of being anti gun.
Passing anti-gun legislation is being complicit in rape.
"Pro gun people go stand on the right"
Lady in wheelchair: Am I a joke to you?
😂
Bro it had me rolling
@@user-fl3kp3pu5z No, it had HER rolling.
Lmao
@@ajax8341 Stop it 😂
5:28 I go through background check every time I buy a gun and even ammo.
That doesn't mean everyone does. I never have, but that's the issue. Anti-gun just don't understand how the laws actually work.
@@Tomb-Wraith did you buy them legally form a FFL dealer?
@@raftika1 I bought them legally from a private seller, which does not require a background check.
@@Tomb-Wraith How many private sales lead to crime?
this was a great honest conversation. thank you! More of this type of reporting would be amazing.
dude look like rick from the walking dead.
I just commented that, sort of. lol
Yessss 😂
He reminds me of Jon Stewart
The black guy looks like kofi kingston
We got rick and quavo over here
I’ll tell you all one thing. This comment section is not finding a *Middle Ground*
On this issue, there just isn't a coherent middle-ground argument. If you think that more gun control would reduce gun-related violence, you are pro-control. If you think that it wouldn't reduce violence enough, and it's an important American right to bear arms, then you are pro-gun.
I mean I’ve haven’t seen any comments of ppl yelling at each other
Nazis vs Jews do this
Enema Fissure ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....I don’t know. Most people in these videos don’t hate the other side. Jews have a right to be terrified of Nazis, Nazis are just told to hate Jews and other minorities.
Greek stfu
Banning guns is deeply unfair to people who can't defend themselves.
survival of the fittest
3:49 is literally all the evidence you need for you to be pro-gun and to stop infringing on people's rights to own guns. Signing legislation that will entail not allowing Gun ownership is gonna affect law-abiding citizens. criminals are criminals for a reason, they will get a hold of guns regardless of legislation. That legislation will just allow them to get to you without you having a chance at defending yourself.
Greetings from Denmark. We have some of the world's most strict guns laws and it is great. I have never seen a person not from the police or military carry a gun before in my 30 years of living. Listening to people talk about feeling the need to have a gun to protect themselves from guns is absurd to me because that is far from the reality I live in. I really think the US should take steps towards that.
@@bordeaux1337 i dont own a gun either. But not everyone is as privileged like us
@@bordeaux1337 What about the less fortunate living in areas with high crime? The "richer" neighborhoods don't care obviously...
@@badasstrapbass2313 Maybe those areas would have less crime if the people in them had fewer guns. Just pointing that out.
@@bordeaux1337 You lack a brain. Criminals with illegal guns will absolutely go into a legal gun store. Keep thinking that
4:10
man: “ yeah I think we should all step forward for that one “
woman in wheelchair: 🤔
starts walking 🚶♀️
Lol
@Nemesistyx thank you, Captain Obvious.
See it´s sad how we live in times that make me think twice about, if thats meant as a joke or genuine criticism.
Julia Drusilla
Julia, if that’s you in the picture then i have to say you look very lovely. I hope i haven’t offended you. I meant it as a compliment. 💐
looks at the girl in the wheelchair. "I think we should all step forward for that one." Come on my man............
bob tony i think it was less of him degrading her and more of him treating her like the rest of them. think if he said it this way, "we should all walk and you should roll"
@@zacksweg2237 it was a joke are you new to the internet or a boomer
123 just a boomer😂
zack sweg u got baited 🎣
@123 you have no evidence it was a joke so you're literally talking out of your ass if you think you are in the original commenters head
This was an outstanding conversation. This needs to be allowed and promoted more in our society.
I’ve NEVER had my life threatened by another person. But I’m pro-gun because I know people need to protect themselves, and that my situation isn’t the same as others.
It's pretty obvious the black girl has never been to a gun show
DucksterDigital hahaha
Yeah pretty obvious the gun show loophole is ridiculous because it’s not licensed dealers selling guns without a background check that’s illegal. If someone wanted to show up to a gun show and sell a gun right outside that door it would be a private sale.
@master DOGE I've been to multiple gun shows & the level of security/police involvement or otherwise is dependent on that communities laws. Sometimes it's a clear presence other times it's a few & I've even seen only private security hired by the location the gun show is being held in. Let's not generalize.
Ikr
"Somebody could walk out of there with 20 guns." 😂😂😂😂
The girl that talked about the gun show has obviously never bought a gun at a gun show
My exact thoughts.
If I was there I would’ve asked “ have you ever tried to buy a gun from a gun show”
No?
Then you don’t know what you’re talking about.
David W That’s the problem with both sides is that people are uninformed. Some anti-gun people believe that purchasing a gun from a gun shop is as simple as showing some ID and saying you’re not crazy.
David W I haven’t even been to one and I KNOW you can’t just buy one.
Some of the hardest times ive had buying a gun have been at gun shows lol.
Ikr and no one said anything
Pls I hate watching these Bc they make me stressed but I can’t stop.(this one is by far one of my favorite middle grounds tho)
I love this whole conversation and how it all actually came to a MIDDLE GROUND, the need for survival..
Had to pause and comment on the woman in the wheelchair. She stayed so strong while telling the group about what happened to her and that was amazing to me. She is incredible
I don’t believe her
@@horizonfan That was my first reaction when she said it.
THANK YOU!
My heart goes out to her if it is in fact true.
I understand overcoming and not wanting to appear as a victim, but that is not the reaction or the emotion you expect to hear from a survivor of such a traumatic experience.
Much like the Veteran segment where the Marine kept saying he had PTSD as if it were some sort of accomplishment with no emotion behind it.
She so strong and not afraid to talk of her experiences
I feel like I just watched a 10 minute video that left off in the exact same place it started...
Pretty much sums it up, no critical analyses about guns but talking a lot from a subjective perspective
That’s the point, they are just putting their ideas out there
llLYNXll Thats one of the problems with this type of content. It doesn't allow debate just your position and a lot of anecdotal information. If it was like Steven Crowder's Change my Mind, videos there could be some ideas that could change peoples views on these topics.
Divine Hazard this video isn’t to change people’s ideas just to expose them to other ideas
Maximus Sparticus Well, that's dumb then, because there's just false facts being spewed.
As Terry Pratchett once said "Lord Whinder had all citizens hand in their weapons because according to him without any weapons no crimes could happen. Unfortunately, he didn't take into account that *criminals don't obey the law* and so crime persisted all the same"
-Night Watch
If you do another video for this I would like to be there. Along with colion noir. There is alot missing from that conversation that has been proven in the last 3 years.
The people who talk about a “gun show loophole” have never been to a gun show
I think the pro-gun people try and keep the gunshow loophole confusing. Because yes, most dealers at gunshows can’t take advantage of it and it keeps the gun control crowd busy spinning their wheels trying to close something that is already closed but to a small fraction of private face to face sales.
FFLs cannot sell guns without an ATF Form 4437 (Background check). But, it’s within my legal right to sell my own personal property to whomever I wish.
However, if I intentionally buy a gun with the intention to sell to someone because they cannot pass a background check, then it is illegal.
Doesn't happen. I do like to go to a gun show but even with the "little card" that I have flashed, my concealed carry license, which required me to submit my finger prints and agree to a background check is still not enough. I have to go through another one when I'm buying from the dealer at the gun show. Even with a clean background check a seller can just outright refuse if they get a bad vibe from you.
It doesn’t exist Steven crowder proved that
@Gary Winthorp In my state you can go to a gun show and buy guns from a private seller without doing a NICS back ground check. is that a loophole they are talking about? I know this because i had a FFL license and use to sell at gun shows.
The lady in the wheelchair is admirable.
Hakuraita because shes in a wheelchair... wow!
slidesandspoons lol I laughed at ur comment
You admire everyone that’s been raped and then wanted to buy a gun? I dont see what she’s done besides that that would make u admire her... pls enlighten me
🤮
Lmao she is a disabling
This is amazing!!!
Anytime I hear someone start the argument of “other countries have a blanket ban on guns and it’s working” it doesn’t even make me mad or annoyed it just hurts. Because according to many MANY sources that is just not the case. In many if not most of the countries the violence crime rate is higher and people are still found holding and housing arms. In almost no case has a “blanket ban” worked in any way and i don’t know how people receive the wrong information so easily
Exactly, dude there's a comment above yours from a guy in Australia saying that life is perfect there because they have no guns.....🤣
This is demonstrably wrong. I live in Australia. We consider America a backwards place because of this exact issue. And statistically we have some of the safest capital cities in the world.
@@Jordan-288 don’t forget your country also has a tiny population compared to the US which alters the numbers of crime making it seem like y’all have less
@@kenet362 Nup.
Data is relevant PER CAPITA. Meaning it is adjusted for population
Culture and geography is what makes western nations minus America and East Asia so different
Australia for example is an island with very little chance of invasion and white majority making it safe
America has Mexico to the south where guns are illegally smuggled in to criminals and America needs its guns because of violent criminals which are often BIPOC
While I hate the ccp, at least China is very safe but there’s trade off to freedoms
Hey CNN, this is how you do a meeting on a subject. Notice the respect and no crowd members yelling "murderer".
Would love love love love love love if you could do this same debate with more knowledgeable people. Bring in any anti gun experts you want. For the pro gun, bring in Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and Ted Nugent. Then, don't edit the video, let it run for an hour. No way the anti gunners will have a leg to stand on.
agree, say what you want about the NRA, but don't fucking call them heartless or murderers. That's just incredibly low on you. They are humans to and understand how these kids and families are grieving.
Hahahahaaaa nice
This is how it should be on both sides.
fussellmuscle I should pitch Vox editors on the other sides, they've researched like mad, unlike debate tactics bragger like Ben. Ted Nugent? the gun lobby cult member who shit his pants?
This, we need more of this right here. No late night talk show hosts, no news networks demanding what we should feel. Actual conversation.
Yeah news shows and politicians are all people who have security ready to jump in and save them at any given moment and then tell citizens who are the only ones who can protect themselves that they shouldn't be allowed defense weapons.
Too bad. No one's taking our guns away.
3:05 that deep breath of empathy and reconsideration. That's what we need the anti-gun folks to see and feel for themselves through dialogue.
I feel like most of the anti gun people haven’t bought a gun before
Or all
Probably true thats why they are anti gun :D
@@4ntoCatch Seeing a gun makes my heart race. Knowing I'm in the room with one would terrify me and if I ever have to hold one my hands will never stop shaking
well if you are anti gun why would you get one
“Imma have my pro gun people stand on the right”
Girl on the wheelchair : ......
Noe Lopez dude that’s not funny, something is wrong with you in the head
I thought it was funny
@@saucesfc8946 it's hilarious tho
Sauces FC ❄️❄️
Sauces FC I only came into the comments for this comment sooo🤷♂️😂🤣
i love how they say "we need backround checks" but that is already mandatory
Not for private sales.
@@Tomb-Wraith Not many guns are sold through private sales, and a lot of the ones that are, are done over the internet which requires it to be shipped to a place with an FFL. Also there would be no way to implement background checks for private sales without a gun registry.
@@tylergaye5457 Depends on where you live. A vast majority of the guns purchased country wide are done by dealers, but the vast majority of gun sales in my state are done privately.
I understand that. By no means am I anti gun. Just pointing out a fact.
TombWraith you do get background checked in ca... what state are you in?
@@imaginationdisc3067 Indiana. You only get a background check if you are buying from an FFL dealer.
I wish they explored the “Have my life ever been in danger” topic a bit deeper but all-in-all I loved this.
When u get people to talk to each other it usually ends up civil. Its only when were disconnected from one another where you see such heavy animosity
civil discussions are good but eventually the best plan has to rise to the forefront over insane and unworkable suggestions. when the founders created the constitution there were plans that were rejected.
@@Bob-sx7iv bro ur actually pathetic ur in every comment i click 😂
@@gingerbread7778 little girl its ok if youre a hater because thats ALL you got lol
so none of the anti-gun people's lives have ever been in danger?
damn!
The Over/UnderThinker 3 out of how many anti gun people? Okay
@@jn4112 3 out of the 3 people in he video. K?
The privilege folk who live in safe areas.
Not surprising, I used to be anti guns aswell until I almost bled to death from being gang stabed on my way home from work. So much for "something like this would never happen to me in my neighborhood" unfortunately where I live law abiding citizen aren't allowed to keep and bear arms.
@@user-bn6wm4bf2q a brush with violence will really make you think. Some people become more anti-gun, others become less anti-gun. It is weird how it pushes people in both directions.
I would have expected at least one of those anti -gun people to have a "...and that is how guns destroyed my life!" stories like the people in Mothers Against Drunk Drivers always seem to do.
I guess I was wrong, so that was why it was surprising.
The dude with the dreads had the best and smartest comments
Forreal he understands the reality of it
The white dude and white chic are there to atanognize
@@timb4351 And ironically they are the same people to tell others to check their "privilege."
He has logical sense about crime he's right
As a very pro 2A person, his arguments and rebuttal were very weak. But maybe they edited it out cause this channel is anti 2A.
Have yet to see the last season but damn, Rick Grimes has taken a 180 turn..
7:07
"We live in a society."
*feeling damn proud right now.*
Imagine thinking you can go to a gun show and buy "20" guns by just providing money...
I've heard that myth so many times. It's been debunked over and over.
@@Tommynator666xxx and they still always bring it up
Explorr that’s the way it should be.
in a lot of places you can. buying from a private citizen you dont go through a background check.. you pay, they give you a gun.
MrPhantomShade sounds like freedom
Criminals don’t follow laws.
I got Molested yeah so other approaches should be taken. Lets not forget these people are anti gun not pro gun laws. We vote people into office to solve problems like these and yet they can't. It's despicable that they cant come up with a true solution.
Nope by definition.
That isn't a valid argument. Should we legalize all drugs because criminals don't follow laws and sell/consume them? Should we legalize rape because criminals don't care if it is banned?
And that's why they're given the name "Criminal" XD
@@sonofyemen9700 I mean, fair point. But, I think that people should have restrictions on guns, and they should be required to take an exam for it. For the younger people, 16 and up, who have a driver's license, remember how many exams, tests, and other things you have to do, like Behind the Wheel, to get a driver's permit, and you have to drive a certain number of hours on top of that to get a license? I think we should uphold similar tests for the holding of guns.
A criminal will always find a way to get a gun. A victim will not. That's the problem, even if you cancel guns, criminals will always find a way to get them.
Exactly, if American got rid of guns. It will not stop criminals getting a hold of one, probably that’s why Australians still have death without guns.
Great show
They don’t realize the guns that are used in crimes are almost always obtained illegally so the issue isn’t over legal guns but the illegal gun trade
Exactly.
I’m surprised they didn’t bring that up, it’s a good point
It’s also not a gun problem America has, it’s a mental issue.
Most guns are acquired through gun shops. Only a minority buys from a private gun shop.
Lololoololololololoool loloolololol yes but almost 40% of guns in the crimes are stolen. So the people who buy guns don’t necessarily give the criminals guns
What we should be focusing on is how to make it more and more difficult for criminals to get guns which they do illegally. We gotta tackle gun trafficking, that’s the key.
The Obama Administration allowed drug cartels from Mexico to get ARs to "track" them and they lost them. Not to mention all the drugs and human trafficking that gets into this country. The government as a whole is either incompetent or in on it.
@@kurtlauer2005
in on it.
think about it
@@mentilly_all Agreed.
@@kurtlauer2005 yeah
Hey, Come on Man! How about enforcing the laws already on the books that using a gun in a crime gets you an automatic 3 years in Prison?
I appreciate that they were respectful of one another and some perspective was gained here. We will always feel different on issues, it's inevitable because we all have different lives and experiences, once both sides can understand that we are all vastly different and respect another's views and reasonings for the views is where we will be a united society. There has always been and will always be opposing beliefs on our issues, the berating and demanding others to agree with you is where everything has gone so wrong. I am conservative, I am pro life and pro gun, I do not think my views are more important than anyone else's, I support the movements that help and enrich my family's life, I just want respect and I am happy to give respect to those who are different than me. Perspective is everything.
The content was the most difficult among the episode videos so far. Each person's position on gun possession was understood.
As a libertarian I’m disappointed nobody even discussed the real point of the 2nd Amendment. To protect the citizens from a corrupt government
Tyler Wirig Absolutely man! The rights of the people shall not be infringed so long as the people can protect themselves
Right? That's why every country except the USA is a tyrannical dictatorship where the citizens have zero rights, and the USA never does anything to infringe on their citizens, like spying on them.
Lucas Schilling I know right
@@tdub0315 How exactly is it considerably better? Genuinely curious
Elysian Sounds Don’t assume my beliefs. Other countries are just impaired on their rights to self defense, leaving the government with complete control. Plus that’s my point. We need the 2nd Amendment because it is possible for the USA to become tyrannical.
This is literally one of the best things on RUclips right now. There needs to be middle ground, there needs to be balance. And you guys are being the voice of reason in a culture of dichotomies. I so appreciate it.
Thanks for your support Ben! We're proud to be bridging people together and inspiring love.
Ben Waardenburg that's stupid. All the people saying "we need middle ground". It's illogical. Not every argument needs middle ground.
I agree that not every argument needs a middle ground, but I disagree that middle ground is 'illogical' as compromise is usually the most reasonable thing people do to make things work.
Ben Waardenburg compromise is the act of giving some to take some. That I can support. But the idea of middle ground itself is illogical.
Could you describle what you mean? I am having trouble understanding what you mean by it being illogical. Could you use this video as an example of how it's not working?
violence is unpredictable be prepared, use it only when necessary
I am Black, pro-gun, and in law enforcement (just so y'all know my bias). I think I have a unique perspective to the "need more gun law" question. I don't believe we need more gun laws, we just need to do a better job of enforcing the laws on the books now. I just read an affidavit of a person accused of a crime where this guy bought 6 pistols from the same gun shop over the course of three months and each time he passed the background check, until somehow it comes to light that not only was he using a fraudulent ID, but that he has a felony case in a different state. He is accused of being a straw purchaser and fraud but he still beat the background check and this disproves the whole "universal background check" argument that people are getting guns without a background check. So I think it would be a better use of resources to hire more background investigators and/or update, streamline, modernize the felony database, than passing more new gun laws that are either Unconstitutional or won't do anything but make guns harder to purchase for your everyday American.
Thank you for this perspective, as a person who’s been in favor of tighter restrictions, seems to me that most of our current laws are under or not enforced. I always believe there should be no private to private citizen transfer of ownership, only through a licensed dealer, so everything is tagged and tracked
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school I guess my only concern with your "tagged and checked" is what will the government do with access to that list. Obviously we want bad guys to go to jail for straw purchases or using weapons to commit crimes. But what happens to these lists once you pass the background check? If there is a system where all your stored information is then destroyed, I'll be for it. But I'm nervous with the abusive nature the fed government has treated access to our sensitive information, even ones that don't point to a crime, just embarrassing or contradictory information.
the black guy in the begining said protec, this man knows his meme culture
7:07 she said we live in a society
He may be from Detroit! We have a sorta accent twist where we unintentionally dont pronounce our Ts at the ends of our sentences. Or sometimes theyre just very lazy sounding Ts
Or maybe it's just his accent...
Accent all the way. Come on down south and listen to all the accents around you.
Chicago lol
I was not at all surprised that the people who were "anti-gun" were the ones who had never been faced with a life and death situation.
Exactly....I've been in a life or death situation where the only reason me and the rest of my family are still alive was because my dad had his gun
The question is though. why was the reason you faced death? If it was because that person had a gun he bought around the corner it is kind of ironic.
WowTholyn maybe he did. But if you think laws can keep the gun away from the criminals, you are delusional. A criminal by definition, is someone who breaks laws. Therefore, he and his dealers will ignore the gun laws and he will still show up to your front door with the same gun either way. Only difference is that now, your dad doesn’t have his gun, so you all get shot
@@CharterForGaming "God created men, Colt made them equal".
The ability to protect your self shouldnt be a phsycial limitation but everyone from the eldery to the spry.
Cole Hodgdon EXACTLY man common sense isn’t so common anymore these ppl act like because we would pass a gun ban that all of a sudden criminals won’t show up at our door. There’s a reason why there called CRIMINALS
No middle ground and no compromise. I refuse to compromise with anti-gunners.
and vice versa. your way has cost us millions of innocent lives and 4 dead sitting presidents. a gun ban is now necessary
@@Bob-sx7iv millions of lives my ass
@@Bob-sx7iv so has progressivism. What's your point?
@@oceanbreeze1162 yes a political reform movement slaughtered millions of people and not the gun? brilliant albert
@@Bob-sx7iv the reformers did, and usually not with guns.
The “no background check at gun shows” is a total lie. Vendors at gun shows still have background checks...
Not all do. And not all will. So its not a lie. It just needs to be expanded upon.
@@Tomb-Wraith is that true ? I always hear both sides saying that gun shows dont or do but I dont know . if anyone can shed some light on this topic I would like to acually know. Thank you
@@jonkuh825 It depends entirely on who you're buyig from. Some vendors are private sellers. They're bound my syaye laws. Others are dealers, and are bound to federl law
But it’s so easy to get one? How do you think school shootings happen. A teen can walk in, show ID and get an gun so easily
@@lunarialoonatic You have to be 21 to buy a handgun. Even privately.
I want to know where you can buy twenty guns at a gun show with a "little card."
Actually, that's partly true. If the "little card" is a Federal gun collectors permit. Even then, you can't just walk out with the guns. You still have to have a BI to confirm it is valid.
Steven Bass it’s not even partly true if you have your FSC card (Firearm Safety Certificate) which you need to actually purchase a firearm you’re not allowed to purchase no more than 1 of each type of firearm (pistol, rifle, and shotgun) within a 30 day period unless you’re a certified FFL dealer which hold a Federal Firearms License. Which only manufactures and dealers own (business owners that sell firearms)
Steven Bass a c&r license does not do that. All it does is remove the ffl transfer when purchasing a firearm and the gun in question has to be at least 50 years old.
It seems to me that it's different depending on where you live. Where I'm from if you have a valid photo concealed carry license you can walk into any gunshop and by anything and however many you want as long as it's not class 3. If it's from a ffl dealer there has to be a transfer but your ccl acts as the background check and that part can be skipped. If it's a non ffl dealer sale than it's up to the seller to make sure the buyer is legally allowed to own the gun and neither the background check or transfer are required. Generally the people selling at gun shows are ffl dealers so technically if you've got the money and are willing to do the paperwork you can go in and buy as many as you want.
Wellll... in Texas, if you show your LTC(licence to carry) you dont need to have a background check cuz you already had one to get the LTC. So theoretically, you can walk in and buy as many guns you want with a "little card"
When the African American women said just walk up to a gunshow and buy 20 guns without anything or any question. (When you don’t know what your talking about)
Facts, my state limits us to one firearm a month so she has no idea what she’s talking about
@@undertaker11ism virginia?
@@VirginVirginian Maryland
That lady does not know what she’s talking about the
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“I don’t want to carry guns” that’s totally fine and acceptable. Doesn’t mean I am not allowed to make that decision for myself. Isn’t that the liberal argument for abortion anyway
So long as my rights aren't infringed you can what you like: that's my motto at least...
I just like how when they were talking over each other at 7 minutes, the captions just cut out.
These are the kinds of videos that need to go viral or trending youtube not logan paul stuff.
Indeed. This is quality content
PackSquad 45 dude those logan paul type channels are literally nothing but little kids watching
These people basically become rich off of little 8 yo watching RUclips on there mom iPhone.
im pro bow and arrow
Yeah
im pro assualt toaster
I’m pro gun and I show it by owning over 36 firearms and always carrying
Lololol
Makes me think about the movie "we need to talk about Kevin".
I am from Germany and guns are illegal here. There are school shootings in America and I personally don’t know if I would feel safe going to school over there. They don’t happen super often and I know that, but I do think that even one innocent person killed is to much. But on the other hand, I am speaking from a very privileged point of view because there is by far not as much violence in Germany as there is in America and I totally understand that you want to protect yourself and your loved ones.
I agree. There has been a false alarm shooting in my school despite it being a very safe district. Since it’s america though it’s not that outlandish. I don’t like how many pro-gun owners would be so brazen about killing somebody, I feel like their is another way then taking somebody’s life. My aunt was shot in Oakland before when a car sped by and shot her. Another time I was in elementary school, and a friend of my brothers brought his .38 to school. I was 7 and he was 9. People argue like all gun-owners are responsible but they’re not.
@@dumbwithmilan I’m so sorry for your loss. Couldn’t imagine how sad and angry I would be if that would happen to somebody I know.. some people only own guns so brag about it, if you can say it like that. I don’t understand what speaks against tighter gun laws.
@@dumbwithmilan I wish people didn’t feel dependent on guns to protect themselves or feel save.
@@dumbwithmilan Gun owners have no problem with self preservation and I'd hope you don't either. Courts are pretty strict about what's considered self protection and what isn't, so I'd be willing to bet almost all cases of self protection couldn't be solved by talking (or trigger happy owners).
Also, most gun crime is committed by those illegally in possession anyways. Aka, gun laws target the wrong people.
Not arguing, just adding to the convo.
@@jamesmccloud1002 I don’t have a problem with people shooting in self defense as long as it’s justified but it would be nice that guns have stricter control. It wouldn’t stop people getting it illegally I suppose but a lot of people get guns for terrible things legally. Not arguing.
Aaron thank you👏🏾👏🏾 smartest one there.
Baby steps. At least there is a place where people can go, and feel like they can use there freedom of speech without getting called names.
That place is anywhere, that's IF you wanna speak, but people like you just wanna be agreed with, and any disagreement for them is an attack, calling names etc.
You're free to speak, but others are free to agree or disagree with you.
TheMozk/indeed.
Eric Fort no one in this video talks about the fact that background checks do exist to get a gun... and it is untrue and not valid to say that someone can walk into a gun show and show a card to get as many gums as they want if they have the money
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So, how drug cartels get millions and millions of dollars in guns every year? There is something wrong with your gun laws, you have to accept that. Just find the right place and you can get whatever you want.
Alen_Egre T/ Exactly, well said!:)
“you can show a card or whatever and walk out of a gun show with like 20 guns”. Can they at least try to do a little more research than a buzzfeed video?
Have you ever heard of a hyperbole?
They're over exaggerating to make a point
Salanchro Falcon I understand that it is a Hyperbole, I understand it was supposed to be an exaggeration; However, there is a major difference between an exaggeration and a lie. There are possible vendors that illegally sell their firearms on the spot instead of going through background checks and protocols first. In that sense though, is it any different from growing up in a more urban area and illegally purchasing them? There will always be good an evil. There is a small majority and I’d be willing to say less than 10% of vendors selling firearms on the spot to a customer that is a first time customer. I can understand a vendor who is familiar and friends with a customer that has been a returning customer and a long tine customer to sell them a firearm and allow them to walk out of the store the same day with said firearm. To say that every vendor is illegally allowing customers to walk out with firearms because there is a very small percentage of people selling illegal firearms on the street is absurd.
@@Ggyhhggtyyy these arent your english lessons
@@lukefisher5352
Here in england youre not allowed to own a firearm (unless its part of your job of course) and we have much less gun crime- and so do all EU member states
@@Ggyhhggtyyy its still not your english class over exaggerating to make a point isnt a valid thing when your talking about guns
Looking back at the history of the US, even if guns are banned, there are a lot of people with knowledge and manufacturing resources to illegally produce guns. In the end, law-abiding citizens would be the ones left without the means to protect themselves.
This should be happening more often, listening to the other side. You don't have to agree, but listen, and leave yourself open to changing some of your opinions. Make it an issue, not a game of who wins or loses. Listen. Learn. Love. Thank you thank you thank you.
Is... Is that Rick Grimes? On the Anti-Gun side?
This was before the apocalypse.
It's alternate gay universe Rick Grimes lol.
He supports wielding katanas.
LOLOLOL
The gun show loophole is still an argument? countless times it’s been proven to be false
Not so much false as it is poorly named. It refers to private sales at shows
@@ThomasNguyen7 Private sales OCCUR at gun shows. A private sale is any transaction that occurs between two third parties. I'm not blaming gun shows for anything. I'm simply saying that the statement "you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check" is false.
@@ThomasNguyen7 No, I didn't prove your point. My point remains that private sale CAN OCCUR at gunshows. All of my guns were purchased at shows. All of my guns were purchased privately. Never had a background check. Do you understand now?
@@ThomasNguyen7 But thats not true. Being able to buy a gun at a show without a background check depends on who sold it to you. If its from an FFL dealer, you need a background check. If its from anyone else, it does not. Thats the case for 38 out of 50 states.
Again, all of my guns were purchased at shows. I never had a background check.
@@ThomasNguyen7 I only own 2 firearms. And they were purchased at shows privately, because that happens to be the most common way to purchase guns in my particular state. Its cheaper than going into a gunstore and buying one.
The "gunshow loophole" isn't a myth, so much as it is a poorly named red herring, because it refers to the private sales of guns at shows, which isn't a loophole, and people don't seem to understand that.
My point is simply not to spread misinformation that damages the pro-gun movement. Like making the statement "you can't buy guns at a show without a background check". Thats a lie.
To be honest, to prevent gun violence, in my opinion we should look past accessibility to guns and more in the wielder of the weapon. Most cases of gun violence stem from mental health issues so, maybe we should focus more bills/legislation ion mental health
Thank you, that's what I've been saying. I was depressed and suicidal for years and years, so I hate it when people lie to my face and say that taking the guns would have suddenly fixed that issue.
Agreed, gun violence cannot exist without mental health issues
there's a super cool place called europe or something, where mental issues still exist but somehow there isn't a gun violence crisis
@@vasilis.siozos The countries in Europe are not the same as the US. People always say "look at that country or that country" but none of them are remotely similar to the US. We are way more diverse and we are way bigger than whatever country you're thinking of. In addition, we have the 2nd amendment which we should assume is here to stay. This creates unique problems that won't be solved with cookie cutter solutions.
@@King-zx4qr let me rephrase then. The whole world consists of countries very much different from each other yet US is the only one with gun crisis issue and instead of taking an example from the rest of the world, US will find any excuse to keep its laws about guns. Just maybe you can be diverse without guns since guns don't solve diversity issues.
you guys should do stuff outside of LA also United States of America and throughout the world that would be very interesting
“A simple background check can go a long way”
Go to a gun range, ask to do the process to buy a gun and not actually get a gun, and you will see that there is a background check no matter where you are.
Or you can just go to a show, find a private seller, and buy a gun for no check and about half the money.
Many private sellers at shows these days run a background check before they'll sell, it's not required, but they opt to, and that just increases the difficulty to find the loophole. Many shows are also patrolled by LE, and if a dealer or seller gets a bad feeling about your intentions, like if you are dodging sellers that require a check, they'll report your suspicious activity.
@Bad Man Jones I know all about the black market. I'm pro-gun, I just want people to understand the law.
@@Tomb-Wraith you clearly don't understand the facts because you would know that most sellers at a gun show are indeed government approved and have to carry out background checks, most private sales at gun shows as the other commenter mentioned still go through checks just to be sure.
A few of my family members are in gangs. No background checks for their guns lol.
5:50 "can i walk faster?" LOL
My auntie was in Oakland driving like usual when a group of teens were driving past her and accidentally shot through their window and hit her. They sped away, she lived though.
I hate going to Oakland. Fortunately I can avoid it for the most part. I hate that town.
@@Anon54387 Yeah, I live in the Tri-Valley area and I only go to Oakland if necessary cause it’s dangerous there.
This topic makes me think a lot.
I understand both positions to some extent.
I was neither until I joined the Army. Now, I conceal-carry after the El Paso shooting.
I spent the majority of my adult life in the military. They trained me in a multitude of areas, including the use of firearms. I carry every day and pray I never have to use it.
Damn right man I just came back from Korea before that shooting happened then purchased a gun myself. I’m even stationed at fort bliss so it made me want one even more
@@jalenwalker8790 nice I go fort bliss soon.
@@jalenwalker8790 still stuck over here with that coronavirus😒
I could count on one hand the amount of guns I had seen (in person) before joining the army at 22, and i was anti gun because of all that I've heard. I was one of those "Guns are evil" persons. Now, I'm moving towards getting my license to carry. Guns are out there, whether we like it or not and alot of the people who have them don't have good intentions. I want to ensure that I can protect me and my love ones if I ever need to.
Rick from the walking dead: “we dont need guns!”
Wheelchair girl: “but we live in a society”
I literally just read this comment as they said this in the video
Rick Grimes LMAO
I find it interesting how none of the anti-gunners have had their life in danger and all the pro-gunners have had themselves in a life-threatening situation before.
There is no middle ground. If the pro gun people cave even an inch, the anti gun people will take 10 miles.
I wish they would have had people whom were actually educated about the subject here
But this shows the views of what I believe to be the average people on both sides. Sadly, most people really don't educate themselves, at least not to the extent that they likely should, and make decisions on their limited knowledge
If they had people that were educated here there wouldn’t be an argument
Aurora Orzo exactly most of the population is not educated
Gaby Ponte but isn’t it nice to hear from average people? Since most people aren’t educated, then we can connect more with these people. The educated people would just talk way over our heads! 😅😅😅
Ikr
"I 've been in a situation where my life was in danger" literally none of the anti gunners step up....smh
agitated exactly
I've been in multiple situations where my life was in danger including being shot at. Still anti
@@rightnearthebeach do you own a gun?
@@rocdaneweracap not anymore
Stoner Control Anti gun? Chicago is anti gun and everybody being shot at bro....
I like how the entire basis for the second amendment wasn’t even mentioned in this. The real purpose isn’t so people can protect themselves from harm by his fellow man but instead from a tyrannical government. Restricting that right will place the people of the US in a difficult situation if said tyrannical government decided to manifest.
And I thought this was interesting, it’s a paraphrase from a book written by Jordan Peterson. Dr. Peterson writes something along the lines of this: every bureaucracy has its petty tyrants who write useless, redundant, and purposefully restrictive legislature in order to display and concrete their power. When that legislation is enforced on the appropriates communities, they grow resentful of the tyrant or bureaucracy altogether. When the people of that community, now resentful of the tyrant, act of their resentment, the tyrant’s power is limited. It is in this way that the individual is responsible for limiting the corruptions of society, not necessarily the community as a whole.
To put this in English, Dr. Peterson is conveying that by choosing to ignore certain legislative acts, you, the individual, will limit tyranny. Of course, it’s up to the individual to decide what they deem tyrannical or not but in my personal opinion, I’d say restricting access to guns is amongst the most tyrannical of legislation. So next time you decide to adhere to the “magazine capacity” laws or the coming restrictions on “assault rifles” please think twice and make sure you have a real reason to abide by them. Sometimes, there are rules worth breaking.
Anyone who listens to Jordan Peterson, who is sexist, racist and patriarchal, has no place in this conversation
It would take forever to explain all of my reasons but one of the big things for me is i just like them. One day i hope to collect them. I find them interesting functionally,historically and they're great tools for survival and self defence.