Hobby Cheating 257 - How to Paint Crimson Fists
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2020
- In this Hobby Cheating Video I take you through the color blue, by the way of one of my favorite chapters, the Crimson Fists. I walk you through my technique for getting high shine dark blue armor using oil and acrylic paints. Hope you enjoy!
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Great video! Great work! Definitly going to add oil paints in my army painting process! It seems so fast and effective!
Keep up the great work!!
Cheers!
Awesome, happy to help. :)
Zatcaskagoon, Marco Frisoni, and now you are really getting me to jump from using oil washing and weathering to using them more for the main coloring. Guess I need to get more than 4 tubes of them
Awesome, happy to help. :)
Wow! Amazing work!
I realy want to give it a try!! Very well done video, well spoken and with alot of wisdom/experience in each step. Thank you!
Thank you, that's wonderful to hear and happy to help. :)
Very nice Vince, and helpful. I want to start introducing oil paint and this is what I needed.
Awesome, happy to help. :)
Great video cant wait to try this out
Excellent, happy to help as always. :)
As always Vince, thank you for a very informative video.
Thank you, always happy to help. ;)
What a video! And I finally see how someone uses thinned oils on a space marine. Thank you Vince.
Awesome, happy to help. :)
Brilliant and perfectly timed. I just tried oil paints on a 1/12 scale head cast and they're AMAZING!!! While I'd watched you do it, I still couldn't quite believe how they blend together so smoothly. It's crazy!
That said, I also hit upon everything getting drawn to the middle ground, so now going to go back in as its been drying for 48 hours.
Definitely looking forward to more oil paint tutorials!
Awesome, happy to help. :)
This is one of my favorite Hobby Cheating vids ,and I ve watched it over and over, and one day I will be brave enough and hopefully try to paint a Crimson Fist with this oil paints.
I already bought all the oil paints you use in that video+ white spirit , but im afraid, i could mess it up and everthing goes wrong. Thanks for all your videos ,I really appreciate that.
My best advice, get into it (watch the how to paint miniatures with oil paints as well if you haven't watched that). That being said, you will learn the most by doing and the whole advantage of oil paints is that you can't really mess up, because you can always just wipe stuff away with white spirits.
Invaluable advice Vince. I was gifted some Abteilung and Holcroft oils for fathers day, and decided to paint a dark angel primaries lieutenant. What an experience, I look forward to doing many more. Perhaps even a small force all painted in oils...
I agree, they are going to be a major part of my arsenal.
Great stuff as always. I love my warcolor brushs you were using , they let me choke up when I do fine detail work
Yep, they are really great for this purpose.
Oh, and any chance you will do some more of the exploring color series? I looooved the ones you did so far. Super helpful info. Thanks as always for sharing so much great content!🙌🏼
Yep, more exploring color is coming in the future for sure. :)
Will try this on my new Ultramarines army! Looking for an efficient way to paint a lot of good looking models for the table top and this looks just like it!
Awesome, happy to help. :)
I loved this one. Vince, I think we need an introductory video about oils... colours needed, brushes, and how to paint main colors...I tried but cant paint a nice yellow armor with oils, or red. Here you nailed blue¡
Great idea, I will add it to the list.
The original poster boys; can't wait to get to the end of this video as I want an alternative to 'Eavy metal style for these guys for the character / special units.
Awesome, hope it was helpful and yes, that original Crimson Fist art is still one of my faves. :)
i know Im pretty off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released series online?
@Tomas Killian flixportal xD
@Otto Duke Thank you, I went there and it seems to work :D Appreciate it !!
@Tomas Killian happy to help :)
Best oil tutorial I've seen! Thanks so much 😁 can this be achieved in a similar fashion with enamels? Have heaps of old humbrols from when I was a kid
Awesome, happy to assist.
Enamels dry so much faster than oils. They can be used as filters though.
Great to see some oil work. Suggestion for a Hobby Cheating: how to paint faded paint
Great idea, I'll add it to the list.
i love this guy! my ONLY complaint is his sound levels always feel like they are gonna pop my speakers.
Certainly understood, the current sound in my videos now has been much improved.
I had to subscribe after the reply vince great videos great tips for paiting thanks alot 👍
No issue at all, always happy to help. :)
Could you do a video on how to paint something in the moon light, only examples I see of this is done using bright fire OSL. thanks for the great videos as always.
I'll add it to the list. :)
Hey Vince, excellent information as always! For a beginner, I think I'm going to find it easier doing the first stage in acrylic, and saving the second stage for oils.
I find the thickness of the oil paints a problem for what is essentially the shaded basecoat, things slip and slide around so much. But when it's time to do the details and final highlights, the thickness helps out.
Totally makes sense.
Ige had trouble picking a chapter... Mostly because I'm putting most effort into necrons.
But will this video lead me to pick the fists! Let's find out 😉😁.
Thanks for the channel Vince! Still the best out there imo
Thank you, deeply and always appreciated. :)
Seems like james wappel , got to you , your approach is more precise, well I think his is just make it look muddy , then make it look beautiful, awesome video!
He gets to everyone, glad you enjoyed the video. :)
I love you Vince!
Thank you, happy to help. :)
Amazing.
Thanks!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Always happy to help. :)
Love this! So other than the fact that you are in a period where you are into oil paints, what are the factors you think should help a painter decide whether acrylic or oil is best for a project or part of a project?
Large flat areas where you want some significant blend, that's usually what pushes me to oil paint.
Hey Vince, I'm excited to see you do more oil videos. One of the challenges I have is doing freehand on top of complex blends that Im really happy with. I know in past videos you say to just paint freehand on top of it with acrylics anyways, but given how easy it is to fix oil paint mistakes, is freehand with oils something you'd recommend/you're going to explore?
I'll explore it at some point, but I will say that James Wappel has several videos specifically on this on his channel.
Awesome video. Would the oil paint highlights you showed as “round 2” work with a base coat that was airbrushed ? Or do you need that first layer of rough oil paint sketching and smoothing to prevent it from looking odd
Nope, you can certainly jump straight to round 2 over an airbrush for sure.
This definitely was the final push I needed to dabble in oils. Do you have any brands you would recommend to a beginner? Also, if love to see you cover how to do split colour schemes from marines :). Thanks for the great video Vince!
The Winton artist colors you see me use here. The Abtelung are also great. I'll see what I can do on the marine.
Vince this is amazing! I've since watched a bunch of your oil paint videos. I really want to give it a try. i've just started a blood angels army, doing it to my version of display standard. I'd love to see you do red amrour like this, if it's possible to get this sort of finish with red oils? Thanks for the videos, as always!
Yep, a red armor tutorial with blood angels is planned
@@VinceVenturella fantastic, thanks!
Nice video as always. That head you have on him, can i ask where that is from, i painted a couple of those models and have never seen that head
I honestly couldn't tell you. I found it in a bits box, sorry I couldn't say for sure.
Hey Vince, I would definitely recommend linking a linking a lighting over view hobby cheating if you have one. The oil is awesome, but the lighting is what makes this mini amazing.
Do you mean how to create light on the mini or the light I am using to photograph. :)
Vince Venturella the light painted on the mini (highlights and shadows). That seems to be so key to getting the right look.
Hi, why do you like to add satin to your ultra matt for your varnish save points? Your final varnish is usually straight ultra matt though?
I add the satin for the extra durability, yes, the final coat is generally all ultra matte.
Funny story. I entered a Crimson Fist space marine in the young bloods category of Golden Demon 98. And I was 15... when you're 15 golden demon has that misteque of the Shaulin Temple. It was everything. I'd worked all year on this one mini; a lifetime, on the preparation. It was boring (the mini) but extremely neat; I'd sprayed the thing all black then blended from the black up to blue highlights and to crimson then to red elsewhere. The blending was extremely smooth; I'd watered down the paints to a kind of red cap milk consistency and layered on these gradients so utterly minutely that you couldn't see a single step. But it was boring. I had highlighted the shapes and not the light; the brightest blue was royal blue. The base was sand I'd dry-brushed silver (wtf?) And yes there was a skull. But saving graces: I'd scratch built a fist into the breastplate and you couldn't tell. It looked exactly like the sculpt itself in style and scale and detail. And the banner was quite cool. Those muted colours look quite good on banners. I was better as a painter on the page than mini and the banner was a work of art. So all in all a boring peice but utterly without an error and impressive scratch-built breastplate. So, it went out in the first elimination and I looked at what was still contending ... Elves with eyeballs on their eyebrows? Elves with eyeballs on their foreheads?? Orcs with Lego. What the fuck. I was upset. I was 15... I went off on my own and sat and moped. My friends were like "aaaaaaah!" .. "aaaahhhhh!" they thought it was the best thing ever. Oh how the mighty have fallen. In the end my mum came over like "are you ok?" I'm like "An elf with eyeballs in its forehead got into the second round and ... !" She's like "I'll go and see what's wrong" I'm like "Noooooooooo! Nooooo! That's Mike McVey don't talk to him please no no no...!" She went off and... I saw her talking to somebody by the cabinets... Oh no... This was the worst thing of it all ... She came back and I wouldn't talk to her. Eventually she told me what he'd said (Or what she said he said). They think you didn't paint it. It's a Crimson fist, an old one. And they think it was an uncle or you dad who painted and converted it.
Lol
Please tell me they went back and corrected themselves and believed you! That is a sad story and it broke my heart. I am glad to see you are still at the hobby however, that makes me happy.
I don't think so.. I think later heats were underway or something; it was quite late in the day. Don't think I would have won, the winner that year was a lot more more bright and detailed. But I got to meet Mark Gibbons and I saw the cabinets with stunning Evy Metal peices. Thank you for the kind words, you are responsible in no small part for my returning to the hobby! I have watched all of your interviews, while painting. And I just discovered all your cheats. When I stopped there wasn't any non-metalic metal/light sources.. anything like that. At least in White Dwarf there wasn't. It is so exciting to return as adult and so much to learn. I will be entering said Golden Demon, again ;-) the jetbike with the scratch-built sisters of battle, banner bearer which does not exist yet may one day get bast the first elimination ;-)
And thank you for all of the amazing material you put out there
Using this for my space wolves might be tricky though. I would need to experiment a bit with colour mixing.
Space wolves greys are easy to mix. Burnt umber and cobalt blue, heavy on blue. Then build a transition with titanium white. Maybe add more blues to the light grey and some magenta or crimson to warm up the shadow greys.
putonthespuds Thanks! I’ll give this a try.
Sounds like someone already got you on the color mix! :)
How long did it take to paint this model? It looks amazing and I think these lessons can be applied to just about any miniature. Amazing works always!
Thank you, I think total time was probably about 40-50 hours.
There seem to be different Winston oil options. Which one would you rrecommend?
These are the place to start - www.amazon.com/Winsor-Newton-Artists-Colour-Yellow/dp/B001E1V5HG/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&aaxitk=0HtKGPHnnVuaaojzbAS47w&hsa_cr_id=9353635710501&pd_rd_r=d68c92ea-142b-4efd-ae1e-5b944bb01b0a&pd_rd_w=eu4gw&pd_rd_wg=nZmfN&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_1_title&th=1
Is there a specific kind/brand of oil paint that is more suited to this? Do you have any experience with W&N Artisan Oils which seem to be water soluble?
The Winton Artist oils or the Abtelung are my favorite, but I haven't gotten a chance to try the water soluable oils yet.
When you 'put' highlights and shadows with oils, do you thin them down on pallet with mineral spirit or are they straight from the tube? I'm new to oils and so far I tried washes or paint straight from the tube for shading but than I don't know how to blend them. I tend to take shade to much or to litle to stay on model;/ Do you have maybe clip wher you have more info on it? Somehow can't find this small info that I'm looking for
So if you watch this video, you'll see what you are looking for - ruclips.net/video/-ha32I_iJPM/видео.html
@@VinceVenturella Ok, I've watched it and now I know;) thank you:) so far I was using enamels or oil paints without any mineral spirits but like just a dot or something and then smiring it down on model with makeup sponge - effect looks cool but than I had a problem to blend the ends of it. Now I know this is because there was barely any paint there and it was to dry
Is there going to be a product review for the Abteilung oil paints? I have the Winton and they work well but require a lot of mixing colors... Thanks, as always.
I'd like to at some point, I do use them quite a bit. :)
@@VinceVenturella Can't wait! In the meantime, I'll stick with Winton since they are a bit cheaper and readily available
Not even at the end of the video and I’m already looking for some oil paints to buy.
Awesome, happy to help. :)
I’ve got to get into this oils on minis thing. Seeing James Wappel and you using them looks so easy but of course it is you, and Wappel lol
And as a side note, have you ever experienced the Ak ultra matte varnish chunking up in the bottle before? I’ve tried adding a agitator but it still does these chunky specs out of the airbrush
They are fun, I really think anyone could use them. :)
As to the varnish, I've never seen that happen, it might be temperature fluctuations.
That’s a possibility, I do live in Florida so I don’t know if that could be it but it didn’t seem to do it when the bottle was new
Vince, would you ever do a side by side time lapse video painting two models the same scheme, with oil and acrylics respectively? I kinda feel that would show just how quickly oils can make like 90% of the painting process.
That's a great idea, I will add that to the list.
@@VinceVenturella awesome. I was thinking about it and I think having two timers, one being painting time and the other overall time, would benefit people thinking of maybe starting a project with oils. Since, if you can get to a certain point in a short amount of time with oils but then have to wait for them to dry, it'd be really nice for batch painting an army over the weekend.
Still have problem with paint consistency... Once it is to dry and it builds up to much... once it is to liquid and than when i want to blend it it looks like it went fully of the model and left nothing on it. Can I maybe somehow contakt you to send you a pic of the mini so you could help me more with it? I use Aberlunght paints (hope it is wrote liek this). Are you useing paint straight from the tube like on your first pass or are they pree thined already on your first pass?
I don't really do individual reviews like that unfortunately, for my own sanity, but I can give you some advice. So here is my exact method. I generally work straight out of the tube. I have dipped my brush in white spirits and then wicked off the excess liquid into a paper towel. Then I work into the edge of the paint, pulling a small amount onto the brush, then I place it on the model. (repeat for additional colors). Then I let it sit for 10 or so minutes to let some of the white spirits evaporate. Then I smooth with a bone dry brush.
Holy sh*t. I need to grow some balls and try this out. Have you done one on NMM silver with oils?
Yep, NMM is wonderful with oils, you have to do the two steps thing I did here, but it's wonderful.
Just idly wondering, are you wearing a respirator at all while you use oil paints and white spirits? I doubt it's needed, but was curious. Also, I thought you had a beginner's guide to oil painting up on your channel, but can't find it at first glance. Would you do a video on the beginner's oil painting essentials kit (which colors to pick up for a basic set, etc)?
I don't wear any mask or respirator, I don't have one that's truly the basics, that would be a great video, I will add it to the list.
I tried it your way but I have a problem. Most of the time one color overtakes second one complitly and than i have only one color present on mini. I put red and yellow. And I got in one place only red in other orange all over it. Sometimes too 'dry brush' will just take all the paint but not like on your clip - it will take it off and i will get my base acrylic color again... I don't know what I'm doing wrong ;/
So it's just experimentation and using the correct amount of paint and getting the right light touch. One trick you may want to try, give just a few minutes for the paint to set (like 4-5 minutes), then try smoothing. It can evaporate some of the white spirits and make things easier to work with.
@@VinceVenturella thx. Will try it today on some spare bits. Also weird thing that i never had - i took complitly new brush for smoothing and suddenly it startet to live those small specs of hair like things. Even after i cleaned again from everything, they were there again. Never had this with any paintjob or any brush.
there used to be two PMP groups right ? or is it only the FB one now ?
There is only the FB one now. :)
@@VinceVenturella ah tahnks for the fast answer Vince. that's a pitty, I don't use FB, and I think a few more people neither. any forum recommended for painters ?
Steve bruchemi paints minis nice
I've had some extra time in between Adam Sandler movies.
This reminds me of Bob Ross, he used those same oil paints and wet on wet technique.
Yep, it's very much the same thing.
I am still only tempted by oils for lining...
That's fine, no issue, as always, you use the tools that give you the effects you like. :)
Can I view the real time footage of this tutorial somewhere? Maybe on a Patreon or something?
Sadly no, I don't record eveything when painting, I move too much, that footage wouldn't be great. :)
I lol'd at ball buster I won't lie. I've considered trying an entire fig or most of one in oils this is a good motivator. My understanding is most painters use an oil or gel to thin not spirits, is that necessary, better, or worse?
Edit:any substantial difference between abteilung and say winton oils?
Oil paint thinning medium, in the traditional sense, is a mix of turpentine and some binder oil (usually linseed drying or stand). The ratio of oil to thinner determines the leanness of the medium which is relevant to the fat over lean rule. Luckily, given the thickness and amount of layers in mini painting we don't need to worry about these issues.
For mini painting its probably best to avoid oils for thinning as they add gloss, while using spirits removes gloss. Hence you'll see most mini painters use spirits to thin oil paints. Alkyd type gels can also be beneficial to speed up drying without drastically altering the consistency of the paint.
@@putonthespuds fantastic explanation tyvm
Wonderful explanation from Put On the Spuds. . The Abtelungs dry a little faster, but they are very similar. :)
yay! :D
Hope you enjoyed. :)
@6:55 Vince channels his inner Big Deno
Absolutely. :)
Smoother than Billy Dee Williams.
I know this isn't your live Q&A session (I'll ask again there if you don't catch this) but what colors would you suggest if I wanted to attempt this with a Blood Angel? And a Night Lord? Thanks so much even if you don't read this. Always love your content.
I actually have a video planned in the future for Blood Angels, but the answer is I would use a main color of a little Abtelung Red with some Alizeran crimson mixed in, my highlight would be the pale flesh (as here) and my shadow would be a deeper purple mixed in (probably, I reserve the right to change slighty when I record). :)
@@VinceVenturella Thanks for going into detail in light of the video planned. I will definitely keep an eye out. It really is illuminating how oil paints work on miniatures. Really love how in depth you go in showing how to work with them. Thanks again for the reply!
@@VinceVenturella Sorry for another reply but remembering your Gotrek video and using green as a shadow, would you still recommend purple over green for the above application? I may try anyways to see. Who knows until you try.
@@travislankford9254 I love green as an undershade for red, never a bad thing.
Great work as always Vince! I've used oils for weathering quite a bit but have never ventured to use them for actual painting of a Space Marine. I'll have to give this a shot.
Do you find the 502 paints glossy at all? I've noticed some colors produce a bit of a sheen at times.
Some of the oil paints are glossy across lines, I always just matte varnish them out at the end.
*Vince Venturella* Awesome vid. If you had One wish. what Would it be? let's build each other up xd
Probably just more time to paint. :)
@@VinceVenturella I got that when they converted us all to work-from-home. Turn off the camera during a boring meeting and break out the figs. Who am I kidding, they sit on my desk all day so I don't forget them. ;)