Does the Kia EV6 have a battery problem?
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Great to see that you stay critical towards all manufacturers when something is odd and they do not react 👍 Keep e'm on the toes, Chris...
It was actually Ireland not Norway
Hey man - that was me with the EV6 that wouldn’t fast charge. I’m in Ireland! 👍🏻
Sorry, filmed the video first then searched for your video. People told me on the livestream it was from Norway.
@@BatteryLife no problem at all, just wanted to let you know. Thank you for featuring my vid in yours 😎
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HI NOBBY - MY EV6 WOULDN'T CHARGE ON MY HOME CHARGER (RURAL - 7KW) IN IRELAND. Car went back to the dealership; they wouldn't recognise the problem. I sold it back to them at a loss of course. I suspect there's a bigger problem here. No problem with friends Tesla, VW or Audi charging on my wall box. Car charged on friends 11KW home chargers (urban) and on DC ESB chargers. Have you (or any other users) had similar issues?
Even in eco mode,I think AWD should activate when needed, mine does.
When I had an eNiro the front wheels would spin and slip when pulling out of a junction if too much throttle, even in Eco,now my EV6 in eco mode does not, even when I floor it, because the AWD kicks in, you can see it on the display.
This is how I want it to work, AWD when needed, and RWD when steady state driving.
THanks for keeping us all informed, still the best car I have ever owned.
Leave it in normal mode then, that does literally what you are asking for - RWD a lot of the time and AWD when you floor it - and efficiency would be the same as if you had that mapping in eco mode.
Thanks for good notes
Hello, @battery life it’s in Winter mode which is a setting to protect the battery - you can turn it off > Electric Vehicle > - hit the cog on bottom right side then select winter mode and uncheck the tick box
Why would I turn it off? Should it not do the opposite and warm up the battery?
@@BatteryLife Had a chance to review the settings. It seems that the winter mode is actually the opposite from what I said but doesn’t appear to be working
The fact that it can't heat up the battery going 130 km/h and then accelerating is awesome. That means the cells have a low internal resistance and that should be great for performace on a track. However the car need preheating when navigating to a charger and better cooling during charging.
But still high consumption.
@@BatteryLife ; agree. Higher than an equivalent Model Y. But isn't it roughly the same or better than Polestar 2 and the ID4/Enyaq? Drag coefficient is 0.28 on the EV6. Enyaq is 0.257 from what I can find. Model Y is 0.23. With comparable frontal areas this should equate in consumption numbers being proportional to the drag coefficient. If not than rolling resistance or internal efficiency can be reason.
Same with E-Niro in winter, only over 130 km/h battery does not cool down.
@@BatteryLife Hi! Always a fan of your channel. But you mention and factor in that the average speed was low on your 130km/h test. I am up to challenge it with some math, making it irrelevant.
Quick example of two sessions with the same average speed.
A) 4min @ 100 + 4min @ 150 = 125km/h
B) 8min @ 125 = 125km/h
I happen to know the CdA for the EV6 and can tell you the force needed to overcome the following vehicle speeds (no wind):
100=294N, 125=461N, 150=665N
As you can see, the average speed has nothing to do with the consumption at all unless that average speed was held at all times.
A) 3832 N/min
B) 3688 N/min
The force needed quadruples with speed, so if even there was a small head wind, it’s just not a fair comparison.
Agreed. But, as Chris points out, the consumption is still high - so, something else is inefficient.
So I want to buy this in Sweden , average temperature November->March is well below 0 degrees celsius. How would this affect this?
Thanks Chris great review, very interesting points you have raised. Oh my Id.3 one year on now has better mileage, when I bought it it was showing 145miles @80% charge, now it is showing 160miles at 80%. Maybe the updates have improved it?
I got my car yesterday and my experience is that firmware/software for heating/cooling is abit wonky. Suddenly it starts blowing ice cold air when I change some minor thing like blowing on the window or turning up temperature.. The AC/Heat pump, battery temperature management and motor cooling is all interconnected. So if I am experiencing a cold cabin instead of a hot one maybe the same is happening with the battery ?
Which one did you get , gratz anyhow with that amazing car
Here in France, my EV6 has got a software update to solve this problem.
Here's my theory: the Hyundai/Kia heat pump scavenges heat from the battery pack. This means at low temperature, the heat from the battery is used to warm the cabin, causing the battery temperature to stay low even when driving at high speed. This is normally good, as it preserves range at the cost of HPC-performance. But for most people this is only incidentally necessary.
Now, I was under the impression that there is a battery heater in there as well. That could be used to warm the battery prior to charging, but that doesn't seem to happen. It would also be pretty inefficient if the heat pump keeps taking out that heat anyway...
So I'm going to try in the Ioniq 5 to turn the cabin heater all the way down in the last 20-30 minutes before arriving at the charger. I'll use the seat heaters instead to keep the passengers warm. I'll only have time to test this later in December, so perhaps @Battery Life can test this for us sooner...
Theory aren't facts. They made a choice, the choice they made is to extend the range as much as possible. No the Heat Pump isn't scavenging heat from the battery. That's not how it works on the Soul EV, nor the Kona. Winter mode does 2 things, under -15C and battery under 30%, it will heat up the battery to keep performance, second, when you plug the car to a fast charger, it will start the session slower while heating the battery, you can even hear the heatpump working. Now, if you heat the cabin while charging, that will slow down the battery heating and the max power. Once the battery gets to 10-15C, you get the max power based on where you are (%) in the charging session. The author of this video wants less range and a warmer battery, that's his choice and should review Tesla for that.
@@francisbeaulieu9591 That might be how it works on Kona and Soul but Teslabjørn confirmed in his reviews that the heat pump in fact scavenges heat from the battery. Turning off the heat pump 10 minutes before arriving at the charger is usually enough to increase the battery temperature and thus the charging speed.
@@ketilerichsen Show me where he actually demonstrated that? Where he can actually see the scavenging while driving. No, what we saw is, as he was charging, heating the cabin, it takes longer to heat the battery be cause the heat pump has to deliver heat for both the battery and the battery, that’s not scavenging and the Kona and the Soul behave the same way.
He did admit he should have charged longer to bring the battery at higher temperature (a true 10 to 80%, instead of 10 to 50%). This way the battery will still have a decent temperature after 2-3 hours of driving. Again same thing with the Kona and Soul.
I’ve had two test drives in the Kia Ev6, it’s great, everything the reviewers say it is.
I arranged a longer test drive today as I have never owned an EV and needed first hand experience of range… if it was even close to WLTP figures I was ordering one at end of test.
Test car was a 77kwh RWD GT Line S. it had a 98% charge and was showing a 285 mile range ( even at this point I thought the projected range was low, but I so wanted to be proved wrong ) WLTP range is 328 for a fully charged RWD.
The outside temp was 12c and throughout the test it mostly rained… the car was in ECO throughout. Heating was on for first 25 miles or so, including heated steering wheel and seats, but I turned heating to setting one and seats and steering wheel cancelled heat output.
I did 132 miles on test… 60 motorway, 60 A/B road miles, and about 12 miles urban driving. I used 75% regenerative braking and hardly used the brakes at all, the system was that good.
At end of test battery was showing 92 miles range ? This equated to 224 miles off a 98% charge, providing I got the full 92 miles out of the batttery…. At start the car said I had 285 miles ?
Interestingly, the car at start and end of test showed 2.9 m/kWh on display.
This works out at 77 x 2.9 = 223. 3 miles… an exact measure of what the car was doing.
In conclusion, WLTP figures of 328 miles …
The car at start said I had a 285 mile range…
My actual range at best would have been 224 ?
And the car itself verified my figures via its miles per kWh display.
I have been in touch with Kia UK but was offered no interest, explanation, or concern…. I was told to go on the EV FORUMS to see what they said.
I really like this car and was prepared to stump up over £52k for it today…. If anyone can refute these figures or explain the 100 mile discrepancy in the range I would be appreciative ( I have photos of display at start middle and end of test to corroborate the range I achieved )
You probably need to drive at 30mph on dry roads on a warm day to get close to the claimed range. Even though WLTP range is meant to be realistic, it still requires everything to be in your favour to get close to it. The EV5 is not all that efficient, especially when compared to the earlier Niro, but it makes up for it by being able to charge so much faster (if you find a fast enough charger).
I assume you know of Bjørn Nyland, if not look him up, he has just tested the AWD GT line version....on his 2nd channel he live streamed 4 days of solid driving and recording videos. Anyway, very soon he will be releasing those videos on his main channel, you might find them interesting.
Exactly the same issue with Ioniq 5. The issue is they do not preheat the battery, it starts heating it on the charger...
Kia and Hyundai urgently should implement a menu button "PREHEAT NOW (for fast charge)"!
@@MP-ou7lb I agree. On Ioniq 5 today at 2C outside, after coming from a drive with 37 SOC it took 22 minutes to start charging faster than 60 kW...
Scenario for tester in Ireland was different as charge never started ...
Thanks
So, despite this battery issue (which is a lack of charger pre-heating), charging up to 80% is still faster than the one of an ID4/Enyaq, and consumption similar. Sounds not too bad :) If Kia can fix it (as VW has to do it too for their pre-heating issues), it will be perfect :D
It is still charging great! In summer phenomenal.
Wonder if there is an OTA-update which would make the car not korean? ;)
@@Enhancer1985 May-be one day! :D But I know that it will be impossible to get soft materials or a bigger screen through OTA for a car interior :)
Chris, can you see in the power distribution graphic if the electric and heat pump start at low temperatures otherwise please use Bjørn use of car scanner to check all temperatures because battery heating clearly does not kick in. No flooring or speeding can replace the needed preheating.
As an experiment I would try to never go below ±30% SOC before ultra charging when in a low temperature situation. It would check if there is in fact a low SOC limit where the battery protects its remaining low charge.
Not sure why RUclips is still recommending this, but the battery pre-conditioning update from last summer resolves the issue of the heat pump scavenging too much heat from the battery pack for efficient fast charging. If you set a DC fast charger as the destination on the Nav, the battery will be at an optimal 20 or so degrees C when you arrive. You'll see the snowflake symbol on the MY2022 vehicles and a red coil on the battery icon of the MY2023 forward.
Yes, it does. Very old video
we need VW ID4 AWD drive in these temps to see what it does especially with the new software release 3.1 to compare, I have both cars on preorder with deposits
I assume that there is no possibility to heat up the battery activly, otherwise they would use it to keep the battery a least at minimum temperature.
*I have 3364 miles on my EV6 now and I can only charge it up to a maximum mileage range of 236 miles now. I use the same Type 2 charger at 40 Amps that I have always used. I have also tried it at 6 Amps slow charge too, makes no difference. The day I rolled it out of the dealer parking lot 4 months ago it said 306 miles range on the dash board and its falling FAST! I figure in 2 more years or 20,000 miles I will be down to 140 miles Maximum range and in 6 years less than 100 miles range. Any thoughts on this??? Also is the "10 YEAR / 100,000 MILE battery warranty PRO-RATED? Anyone know???*
Drove 200 km with the Ioniq 5 LR AWD and then to a 350 kW station here in Iceland in 4-5 degrees. Starting SOC 9%. Never saw more than 145 kW but was at 125 kW all the way to 80% SOC which was impressive.
Same at about 8 °C.
This is why in wintertime I still stick to my piston diesel vehicle
Did you check the battery temperature? Teslabjorn a 1000km test with a Ioniq 5 and once the battery pack goes over 45c it reduces the speed as well as when it is below 30c if the battery temperature stays over 50c it will reduce the available power as well.
He had some weird curve tonight during his stream and could be related to HVAC , need to rewatch tomorrow
There is a winter mode for battery in EV6.. wonder if that is on.. or should have been on
Winter mode
A: EV Settings
Winter mode
Winter mode
You can select or deselect Winter mode.
The Winter mode is efficient during the winter time when the high voltage battery temperature is low.
This mode is recommended to improve driving and DC charging performances during winter by raising the battery temperature to an adequate level.
However, the driving distance may be reduced as the energy is required to increase battery temperature.
Also, if the battery temperature is low during driving or when scheduled air conditioner/heater is activated, this mode is operated to improve driving performance.
However, the mode is not operated to ensure driving distance when the battery level is low.
My thoughts exactly. It would be good to see a test with it both on and off in similar temperatures.
Mentioned in the video! Was on.
@@BatteryLife However, the mode is not operated to ensure driving distance when the battery level is low.. says the manual. So you likely went to deep in the battery and the battery heating was off then.. hard to tell with the vague manual
@@MartinNyholmJelle Good point, would be nice to get official information from Kia from what percentage It works or not work. You might be able to get some information if the heater is on or not with an OBD-2 reader. Maybe there is a restriction of the battery heating because it was in eco mode, Only Kia knows. :P
And, Hyundai/Kia, if you can't figure out how to use navigate-to-charger navi info because the waypoint database is rubbish or the nav system is poorly integrated or whatever: just give us a "precondition battery for DC charging" button that we can press 10 minutes before we plug in.
I'm selling my Kona for a Ioniq5 partly because I was fed up with the Kona coldgating. And whaddya know: it's not fixed in the brand spanking new super platform!
Just saw a similar new video .. the EV6 charged initially at a ridiculous 60 kW and less at cold temperature, but after100+ km of driving. I wonder if the kia atm is pretty crappy for Winter. I guess it's a lack of preconditioning of the battery? I hope Kia fixes this, otherwise it' sno option.
unlike ioniq 5 and ev6, genesis gv60 has pre-heating function
So they allready have a solution, just copy paste and the problem is done.
Do you know how Well it works on the gv60?
I wonder if preheating is always the only correct strategy. Preheating cost range. Is it not valid to use the charger power to heat the battery for the first few minutes and preserve range?
But better to get faster to your destination. Especially when the car can charge so fast.
@@BatteryLife And what you experienced also shifts the balance between number of stops and how much to charge at each stop towards longer stops. This goes against the very reason I want a car with 800V system: Super fast charging but perhaps two planned stops extra on a long trip to reduce vulnerability to faulty chargers or queues.
He should have program a departure time before leaving to make sure the battery was warm before leaving. I guess it’s not cold enough where he lives. I’m Canada, we make sure to pre-heat the battery before we leave home. 101 of living with an EV in cold weather.
@@francisbeaulieu9591 The EV6 does not yet preheat the battery when doing that, only the Genesis GV60. Neither does it preheat before arriving at planned charge stops. Both features are planned for 2023.
What it does is letting the heat pump use battery heat for heating the cabin. So using your 101 ev tactics will not give the benefits it does on your ev (Tesla?)
Is it a Lemon when within 5 months it (AWD) goes from 280 mls to 240?
You should get the battery tested
Oh dear, this could be a problem. I think we are going to see such glitches with the new batches of all elec motors. I will be interested to see how the EV6 does in the next few months.
In fact, if I understand well, EV6 is able to charge fastly in summer condition but do not expect the fast charge in winter conditions. So their charge record makes me wrong and I thought I am able to obtain this every day of year, and in case of very low temperature, able to heat the battery. Understood now ! The car will charge the needed time and I will read a book during this time...
Sounds like Kia EV6 extracts to much heat from the warm battery, same as the newer Model 3 wand Model Y with heat pumps, to heat the cabin
I have ordered KIA EV6 GT Line with heat pump because my other car Ioniq 5 proved that it’s very competitive car on EV market. My strategy on long trips is to set “Winter mode ON” around 50 kilometres before Ionity charger. By this tactic I can get full speed immediately.
Winter mode was on
If you check Ioniq 5 battery temperature with obd2 dongle, battery is not heated en route to charger.
@@BatteryLife I see, that's really strange. I'm preparing vlog about my trip to Italy, where on Ionity chargers I can get immediately 170-210 kW if Winter Mode was ON while on our first stop in Germany after 212 km from home we had only 60-80 kW from start because I forgot to check Winter Mode.
After this video, do you think it is really necessary to invest 1200euro in the optional heat pump to drive the car in Belgium?
It is up to you. It is not worth the money. But if you need a bit more range in the winter.
@@BatteryLife thx!, and how much range do you loose you think, during eg. Your test of 300km?
Ioniq 5 charges at 70 kW when battery pack is below 15°C, and at 115 kW when battery is below 20°C. Probably same for EV6.
Sounds like it
@@BatteryLife Take a look at TB video Ioniq5 1000km chalange to Sweden. There hi explayn the problem with the battery tempo. To hot or to cold. Hope that Kia and Hyundai can fix that with software.
it slows down over 45c as well as reduces the power available to use when it is near 50c
If you saw the front motor runs in eco mode, now I understood the difference in consumption btw the ioniq 5 AWD and RWD. I measured 20% difference between the 2 comparing it with Bjorn measure.
Both cars use only rwd in eco mode
@@BatteryLife you just said the opposite in your video 🤔🤔
@@laurentjobart9297 I recall that happened rarely and for very short time. @Battery Life ?
I’ve noticed that even the ioniq classic 28 kWh under 10 degrees Celsius in the battery will not charge full speed until the pack gets up to about 12 or so. It’s still pretty darn fast but I will be looking at this when Winter really hits here In NRW. I’m guessing that at a 50 kw charger that it is not noticeable but at IONITY it does show up being slightly slower when the pack is cold. Typically I’ll get 1 kWh per minute but today it took a little over 12 minutes for about 10 kWh.
Let’s hope the new ev 6 does not suffer from poor thermal management in cold weather like the Ioniq facelift and small Kona
I understand. My point here is not the temp of the battery from the start.
My point is, that a warm battery gets cold when driving 130 at 9 to 5 degrees.
@@BatteryLife Same as the ioniq Facelift and other evs. They need to get the software right so as not to cool the battery when it is under 30 degrees in the pack and cold outside. It would be interesting to read out the bms to see how cold it gets at those speeds.
Hi Guys, watch 2 Tesla Bjorn videos regarding the battery issues being cold. The 1st is ‘simple solution’ which he explains the problem in EV6 and Ioniq5 and the second video is ‘EV6 1000km challenge’. In this episode he shows how in the test he gets 231kw speeds, by simply following a simple trick. Obviously this is a work around the battery problem. But he believes it would be quite straightforward for Kia /Hyundai to resolve this with a simple software update. Remember a number of other manufacturers have had similar problems with “cold gating” including Tesla, but after time have resolved it.
Thanks for another great video. I’ve heard the Ioniq 5 not only cold gates at the beginning of the charging it also rapid gates and even after longer charging stops it limits the motor power to about 50-60 kW ! They need to sort this out as it looks bad that theses two big companies made this mistake! Mite be better with software or firmware updates . Looked at both 5 and 6 before went with model 3 because our ultra fast rapids charging network is not very good yet in uk . The the uk the supercharger network is better for now ! Done nearly 6000 miles in just 10 weeks and not had a problem on sc . But after trying a non Tesla charging network on Friday it reminded us why we went Tesla as it’s just been lot easier with the superchargers . With only a sr+ so the slower charging 3 we have averaged only 16 mins at the supercharger since had the car and was told that long range or performance chargers faster so would have been less so you don’t necessarily need a ev6 or Ioniq 5 to get quick charging stops ! Nice cars the ev6 or Ioniq 5 would be hard choice which to choose or 3 or y if uk had better charging network . But as long as it’s ev not ff car it’s a 👍👌 from me !
yes it coldgates and rapidgates... possible both issues in one charging session... kia does not want to fix it (yet, maybe later next year maybe and maybe only for just some car models)
It won’t charge in Ireland
There was a snowflake? Well, then maybe it would have benefitted from setting it in Winter Mode? That is supposed to keep the battery warm and ready for DC charge.
Thank you for the good work anyway and greetings from Denmark.
It was in winter mode
@@BatteryLife OK, but then they will need to do something about it. Because what to do when it gets cold for real? I have got a AWD GT-line on order, so anytime soon I can see for myself 😁
No, it doesn't have a problem from my experience. Saw 145kWh being pumped in fine from a cold battery at 46% and stayed high.
Well, I had it. Maybe "cold" battery is something we don't know yet.
And that’s exactly what the well informed and thorough EV reviewer Bjorn Nyland reports, no issue of coldgating for the EV6, faster charging than the Tesla M3 and the Audi E Tron GT.
Your English is fantastic
I am blushing. Thank you.
@@BatteryLife where are you from in Germany I live Germany I lived and worked there in the 90s for 4 and a half years
Last week, I've seen an Ioniq 5 charging with 50kW at 150kW with 42% SoC. Same problem there, seems like the battery doesn't get warm while driving.
Or they cool the battery too much while driving.
@@Psi-Storm car doesn`t cool the battery that low. Welcome to the non Tesla world...
50kW charging speed means battery was below 10°C.
So I guess you would recommend holding off buying one until we know if it will be fixed?
Not if you like the car and are ok with the possible limitations. :)
@@BatteryLife the limitations at the moment seem quite severe. Charging issues, heating issues, navigation issues, assisted driving issues... Seems like they rushed this car.
I suspect that like my Kona the battery minimum temp' must be 25C before max charging rate is achieved, thank you Car Scanner. Keeping that temperature to reach your next charge station is a problem and requires high acceleration and heavy re-gen, in other words drive like an idiot. Agree pre -heat battery when driving to a charger is required if range allows.
I Had an EV6 GT with a heat pump on order but after seeing your road test of the Ioniq 5 it put doubts about range, so cancel
I was told the heat pump doesn't heat the cabin and KIA refer to it as a battery conditioner which it would mean in cold weather after fast charge the heat pump would be working hard to dump the heat outside the car wile the resistive heater is using power from the battery to heat the cabin this maybe why you had the problems with the snow flake light, sounds like they have got something very wrong.
I bought a Tesla model 3 long range picking it up tomorrow
In my opinion the heat scavenging of the battery is draining the heat from the battery to improve efficiency. Software updates could change this. Were you navigating towards a fast charger? I don't know if the car has the possibility to preheat or not.
It doesn't
@@austin2planks Not yet anyway
The kia has a very good cooling system that why uk dealer recommend the winter heater for the battery as they are aware of the cooling the battery likes to be around 20 c that's what kua are saying.
The cooling system is very good on these kia and hyundia they get praised for it or a sensor may have been giving a false temperature. But remember 5 degree outside with windchill the air going over the battery cooling system could have been below zero.
But the drivetrain power use should keep the battery warm at these outside temps!
Ionic5 and the Ev6 have exactly the same problem, I drove the ionic 5 last week for 1500km and I found that I had cold gating on the first charge, then after the second drive I started to have rapid gating, battery too hot and didn't want to charge above 125kw on Ionity and fall quickly under 60kw, and loss of power after the charge, driving like a turtle. and very long time to cool down below 45 degrees. kia and Hyundai has to do something to the cooling and heating management I think!!! hope its only that, and not a hardware problem with too little cooling and heating???!!!
That is bad. Sorry!
@@BatteryLife and I don't speak about the high consumption either ;-). love my Tesla lol but I had some hope for a competition available
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I did not delete one comment on this video!
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@@BatteryLife How strange. Sorry for attributing the deletion to you. I will use my company account to ask youtube why this has happened. And thank you taking the time to reply 👌
@@BatteryLife I was not aware if this. It’s been a while since I was admin on a channel. It does however explain the annoying deletions when one tries to help people with ie understanding the charge curve and how it can be used to plan for the fastest route.
Essentially the battery heater is not kicking in when required whilst driving = Coldgate. Secondly the battery heater is staying on too long whilst charging = Rapidgate.
Neither if he had pre-heat the battery before he left (meaning, read the owners manual)
Never reach 310miles for my wind rwd no matter what driving style or condition. Fast or slow charge
Time that you maybe get 6 big bags of something heavy, sand, salt, potatoes or the likes and put weight in the cars as though there were passengers. Really these large family cars tested for range with just a driver are only representing people that drive cars on their own. Car Salespeople, Sales Reps, Commercial Drivers, Bloggers/ Vloggers and the likes, yest family size cars with the likes of the weight of a family in them.
I don't know if someone already mention it, but Bjord Nyland had a similar problem with the Ioniq 5 : ruclips.net/video/bi_sChlWTRc/видео.html
I thought he had an overheating problem?
@@BatteryLife I think you had the same kind of problem... "snowflake symbol"
Not great but sounds like some smaller childhood diseases that most likely can be fixed by a simple software update - worst case some sensors or parts need to be changed but I assume that will be free of charge. Still you get quite a lot of car for the money - once these things are solved you get a ton for the money considering EV prices - if you aren't willing to buy a Chinese EV - reliability??
If the battery is cold, then the car is doing its job by limiting the power. Kia/Hyundai approach, with Winter Mode activated, is to warm up the battery at the beginning of the charge. It would have been interresting to know what happen after 10-15 minutes or over 20%. Does it goes up (and I suspect it did) but you decide to just talk about the beginning. Give the details a full charge instead of looking for clicks
I talked about it. It goes up to 198kW after 10min. The problem is not that the car is charging slow with a cold battery. That is normal.
The problem is, that the battery cools down so much with using the heat of it to warm up the battery that it takes longer to charge.
Many Ioniq 5 and EV6 owners feel the same and started a petition to bring the battery heater to a level for good charging power right away.
And a software update should be coming.
@@BatteryLife that’s your point of view. Again, I mentioned it a reply below. Kia/Hyundai decided to provide more range as heating the battery like you suggest comes at cost, less range. And you will be the first one to complain about it.
Heating the battery will mean more stop, more often. If you had preheat the battery before you left (like most do before jumping on a long stretch of road), you wouldn’t had this problem. Also, after a full charge at a fast charge, your battery is all warmed up, I’m sure if you had stop for another fast charged it would have started higher.
Your review would have been better to remind drivers to program their departure time to make sure the battery all warmed up instead of claiming there is a problem where there is none.
Bjorn Nyland on YT has all your answers ;)
My video is old. Ioniq 5 and Kia ev6 users are waiting or already receiving a software update to improve this behaviour.
How much energy is wasted with heating the battery, just to get it to charge faster? Is it worth the waste of energy? An EV driver should be aware of this, and usually (preferably) will slow charge at an AC charger, where this issue does not occur.
This is for long distance driving! And yes it is worth it, especially with a car like this. 230kW peak dc charging
It’s still streets ahead of VW. Most folks wouldn’t discharge to such a low level and wouldn’t care.
Correct.
The Korean automaker has set a new record for fast charging its EV6 electric car. However, it was not about the highest charging performance ever achieved, but rather about a test procedure suitable for everyday use.
The Kia EV6 has crossed the entire United States and drove from New York to Los Angeles. The electric car is hung on a charging station for a total of 7 hours and 10 minutes to cover the 4,600-kilometer route. That was a new record, Kia announced at the Los Angeles Auto Show.
Is there such a thing as this silly “winter mode” from Hyundai?
Yes, both cars have it.
Completely normal. No preheating, so it's just too cold and doesn't get warm before it has to reduced due to SOC.
Battery was warm before driving. Driving with 130 kmh in 9 to 5 degrees cooled it down! Not normal at all.
@@BatteryLife What do you define as warm? Have you tracked the temperature?
@@BatteryLife Unfortunately comments with links are deleted. Have a look into the two GoingElectric threads, there people tracked the temperature and charging power.
@@dontswitch8951 Yours too! Deleting comments with links does make it quite difficult to document why some of the false claims are indeed false. Moderators should be able to differentiate between spam/commercial links and documentation...
@@MovieViking They do, but Google's artificial stupidity bots don't. :o(
If you let the battery get too low, it will try to conserve energy and stop heating itself. Every youtuber does the same thing at this time of year, drain the battery almost to zero in cold weather and complain that the car has a battery problem.
The point is, there should not be a battery heater needed! Warm battery, driving with 130 at 5 to 9 degrees should not cool down the battery.
Unless the kia is getting heat from the battery to heat the cabin.
It is not winter yet. People will drive their cars down umder 10%. So this is a real world problem.
No other car I have driven had a colder battery in those conditions!
it is not battery problem, it is BMS issue and stupid logic of not keeping battery warm enough, so you end up with coldgate and no option to preheat battery before charging automatically or manually. There is also petition to KIA/Hyundai fix this, as it is the same issue with Kia eNiro and Hyundai Kona, as the BMS is kinda the same, software is the same, just new UI visuals... sadly
Ioniq 5 will do an early facelift, and solve the descriped problem. Proberly Kia wil fix the problem too.
I hope so
Do you have a source on that statement?
@@skyfox77 I have but they speak german. Go to around 17 min. nextnews: Tesla Preiserhöhung, VW ID.5, IONIQ 5 Facelift, Toyota bZ4X, Supercharger offen, Rocks-e
@@jonaskristensen3066 @skyfox77
Rumours are what he is reporting regarding a "facelift." Appears that some of the issues can be handled via software corrections. My suggestion would be to add an icon in the Infotainment screen that you push to iniitate pre-heating of the battery prior to arriving at a charge station.
@@ScubaSteveCanada That is what I would think would be best also, but maybe many users would forget to start it.
With the ID.3 it´s the same problem, even worse. Because if the ID.3 ist cold it charges with low speed and it never goes up again, even whren the battery gets warm during charging. In Germany sometimes it´s possible to speed up before charging, in all other countries it is not allowed - so no chance to get a good charging speed in cold conditions.
If the battery is cold, that is righr.
if the battery is warm and I drive 130, it does not cool down at 5 degree outside temp!
Tesla's charging and battery tech is much more solid.
Try get a ferry in your electric car , they won't let you
please.
There are a numerous resons that cause such slower charging. Driving steadily at 130 kmh does not require even a half of the power so its nothing special that the battery wasnt warm enough...
I disagree. A warm battery should not cool out at 9 to 5 degrees when driving 130. And what do you do on a long distance trip? Drive very fast or have slow charging up to 26%.
It is a first world problem.
@@BatteryLife In other words, we need what B. Nyland calls "afterburners" - aggressive battery heating immediately prior to and during charging.
If you came looking for a disciplined and informed test of EV6 charging, you’re in the wrong place. Go to Bjorn Nyland’s channel. He has the most thorough approach to reviewing EVs including their fast charging. He says there is no real issue with EV6 charging.
You have not watched the video.
The problem is not charging.
It is that the warm battery cooled off while driving 130 km/h in 9 to 5 degree weather to a level where you cannot charge normal.
@@BatteryLife Chris, your video title suggests a big battery problem and you misinterpret the snowflake icon on the dash. I’m not the one self promoting my expertise with a youtube channel, you are. I have no responsibility to be well informed and disciplined. You do, if you are a responsible contributor to the EV switch. Bjorn has driven the EV6 on range tests, 1000km test and has recorded over 17 hours of video on his live channel, driving and charging the EV6. That’s a responsible effort and that’s why his contribution is so highly valued.
Remember to set your navigation destination as an EV charging station and then the car will condition the battery because it's knows you plan to charge it. This should avoid the snowflake.
Back than this update was missing
Driving wind
Since that car is more or less not available anyway, I guess they have plenty of time to fix the problem...
Car is available now in Ireland. My local dealer has 4 cars in stock right now and more coming early January.
@@jasonspollen8998
Maybe but you have to be lucky to get one, and if you get one if it is in your confirmation you wanted, if you order one it will have at least a year delivery time !
@@netsraccjf3965 I test drove an Earth model last week & ordered a few days later. Can have any colour I like as dealer says no prob getting. I liked the Gravity Blue he has in stock so that's me sorted. No waiting. More cars due in early January. But I hear some other parts of the world there seems to be a waiting list. Luckily not so in Ireland. So far. 😀
How come you end the headline with a ? Either it's a problem or the best car or the longest milage, charging speed, brightest color etc. Or it isn't. We watch these videos to get wiser based upon what you find and not to guess if is one thing or another. You could simple write "Charging problem"
So please stop with that ? ????
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I have to ask! I found a problem, but I dln't know if every EV6 has it. It is worse, ifI say the car has a oroblfm in general even if I don't know!
Tesla IS the answer!!
Old tech 🤷
They don’t learn from Tesla. To much buttons and light inside the car but no a good management system for battery. And the car is expensive. Good job Chris .
So, basically until we see this fixed either buy a Tesla or nothing at all because Tesla is the only company that has proper battery management? Is there another manufacturer that is even close to as good as Tesla for this? Really disappointing because I really like the Kia and Hyundai offering, but this is a huge issue if you live in a cold climate like Canada…
Even with this "problem" It will beat my Kia E-Niro in charging in every way, I am not really worried about his problem, it SHOULD easily be fixed in a future update.
Polestar since OTA 1.7 is also able to preheat the battery. Mercedes EQS as well but that car is well out of most ppls prive rangw
Actually the MEB cars (ID 4, skoda enyaq, id3, cupra Born, Audi q4 etc.) have a very consistent charging. They do not have have the highest Peak Power, but a flat charging curve and they charge always the same, also in Winter.
After the Software Update with the increased charging, they will be even more interesting
@timemachine_194 But now it has Octovalve and heatpump that work, so disadvantage is mitigated?
@timemachine_194 I think he retested it and they fixed it.
Another BatteryLife click bait video that only demonstrates the reviewers lack of homework and research. Worthless.
That's me!
"Lack of homework and research" ?!? WTF are you babbling about? Researching Kia marketing materials, perhaps?
What is exactly your issue with the way Chris conducted this little test? Have you tried to replicate it and reached different results? Great - report them; some other commenters did.
@@bazoo513 He shows the image of a snowflake on the battery and says this is coldgating when it is in fact reporting ‘winter mode’. Chris presents himself as an authentic EV reviewer when he is simply surfing the EV wave without putting in the effort. The reason TeslaBjorn’s reviews are valued by manufacturers as well as consumers is because he does the hard yards. Winter Mode has been a feature on Hyundai/Kia EVs for years but Chris can’t be bothered to do the homework. His videos are worthless as a result. But just as he is entitled to post his pop-EV click bait, I am allowed to criticise it when it is shoddy. I’m simply pointing out, as I have before, that he makes negatively critical comments without foundation. And viewers who are ignorant of the facts deserve to know about his shortcomings. What I’m hoping is that Chris will raise his game, deliver more facts and make his channel credible. Why are you apologising for his weakness? Aren’t you interested in the facts? I’m sure that intelligent viewers appreciate any valid criticism.
@@ellistreloar2047 OK. Your original comment would carry much more weight if you said "that snowflake denotes winter mode, not cold battery".
And what is your explanation for initially slow charging after lengthy 130 km/h run? Do you consider it normal?
@@dragiraos7852 I have been driving an E Niro for 12 months and have noticed the issue of slow initial DC charge. Bjorn Nyland has documented this issue with both the E Niro and the Kona. Recently I drove from near Lands End on major roads, 65-75mph [100-120kph), for over 2 hours before arriving at a DC charger. The battery was 100% at the start of the journey and around 40% when connecting the charger, so I didn’t expect a high rate of charge initially. Winter Mode was off but this only helps when temperatures are below -8’C and with a much lower state of charge. I use an OBDII reader and saw that the battery was below 20’C. The air temperature was approx. 16’C. The DC charge rate increased from 45kW at the start to 76kW when the battery reached 26’C. The charge rate dropped again as the state of charge (SoC) increased, falling to 35kW charge at 75% SoC. This is the conservative management of the battery chosen by Hyundai Kia in the battery management system, to preserve the battery state of health for longer. A UK E Niro owner uses the car as a taxi and quickly exceeded 100,000 km in 8 months, using DC fast charging daily. The battery remained with 100% SoH at the 100,000 service. Tesla are modifying BMS on early Model S because the aggressive charge curve has harmed battery SoH. The Ioniq 5 and EV6 are similarly throttled to preserve battery health for the long term.
electric boring crap......it all sucks