So I've been using EA chargers for years. I've reviewed the technical information, discussed the topic on forums and at EV events as well as while waiting at charging locations with other EV owners. I've talked to support numerous times as well as commercial electricians at EA sites doing firmware updates and troubleshooting issues with level 2 support and come to the following conclusion. "Electrify America Sucks". I hope that clears things up.. Thank you. 🙂
Pretty good charging performance, that's actually coming close to a reasonable break on a road trip, but its another reminder that infrastructure isn't there yet, reliability and location need some work.
@@ktpinnacle that's extremely rare. No more common then waiting in line at the gas station. Just gets amplified because the weirdos are always trying to find "gotcha's" on Tesla.
@@larryspiller15 The circumstance I was recalling was a long line of folks headed from Phx to the west coast after a weekend. Not the usual case of folks using their own garages to power up for normal daily use.
Just wish EA was more reliable. These issues happen far too often. I always say if you can go eat lunch while it’s charging it’s no big deal if you are stopped for 30 minutes. But if you return to your car and the session has failed you are still stuck waiting. Come on EA get your act together. I believe it’s them because you see this happen on a lot of charging videos regardless of the make of vehicle.
Well, anyone who has watched EV videos knows the problems that most EV owners have found with the Electrify America / Electrify Canada systems. Battery conditioning may be at fault as well. However, 23 minutes from 10% to 80% is damned quick . . . not fill up the gas tank quick, but a lot better than 'sitting down to a meal' quick or 'walk through the mall' quick.
@@ravitoday The problem is, assuming normal efficiency losses while driving and the time it takes to get to a charger and start charging, that's a "loo trip and coffee" break every 2 hours or so. If taking a day long drive, that's least 2 additional hours between point A and point B. But that's if the systems are working like they are here, which I would not be expecting from EA.
Really shows one of the biggest issues with switching to ev's. The reliability of charging is no where on par with gas stations yet. Needs to greatly improve. Ev's are a no brainer for those who don't exceed the need for a single charge per day, and have the ability to charge at home overnight. For everyone else, the charge network isn't there yet. Not fast enough for road trips, and still not available everywhere. It'll get there of course, just not yet. Ev's and the network are almost like the chicken and the egg. Which one spurs the other one more? Still hoping we get to the range and recharge speed of gas sooner than later.
We have a Ioniq 5 Limited and did a 3k mile trip to FL. In 70-75F weather, we consistently hit 230-244 Kw speeds in the same window you did. Our fastest equivalent charge was a 16-86% SOC in 16 mins 53 sec on an EVgo 350 station. The 18 min claim is doable with a warm battery at the right temps. Like all EVs cold weather is the killer and a 19-80% charge in a snowstorm at 20F took 29 mins. Still zero charging speed complaints. Our return run of 1,300 miles required a total time charging of 1 hr 54 mins.
Your frustration with charger is why I'm still not sold on evs yet. Also more companies are making more evs but none are really talking about charging infrastructure or reducing charge time. Maybe in a few years
@@DirectCurrentRides I agree but not everyone has a house with a charger. With limited real estate charging stations are usually located outside of urban area at least near me. If they can put them in more parking lots then that would be a step forward
Concerning that kinda long time to negotiate with the car, I'd be inclined to say it's the charger. I've got a 350kW near and when I plug it starts in like 15 seconds on my Ioniq 5.
Did your phone give you an alert that charging failed, or do you have to stare at the charger for a half hour? Also, when you do these videos, it would be helpful to start out with, "I'm at EV America. X chargers don't work. Y chargers are capable of high speed charging. After charging, tell us the cost & KWh."
Can you compare this with the charging rate of a Tesla model Y? It would be great to see side by side comparisons since their charging curves are so different
To fast charge an EV6, you need the coldest cell in the battery pack to be at least at 25°C (77°F). At the moment there's no battery conditioning option in the Kia. I hope an update can solve that. In colder weather, you can hit speed as low as 60kW.
If the time that the charger stopped is removed, its very close to what kia said, which is very impressive, even if it took a little longer its still very good. A good vehicle and a good test.👍
Ok in the first 8 minutes my 20 mpg van would fill 16 gallons of 87 octane, buy 2 drinks, make a hot dog ,use the rest room, clean my windshield and be 1.0 miles up the road with a 320 mile range!
Perhaps, but with gas at 4.39 (May 2022) that would cost over $70. I'm not a fool and think EVs will meet the needs of everyone, but I drive to save money. Plus I don't like the smell of gasoline.
Very interesting that I have the exact same vehicle, even the color. Mine has done an 18 minute charge at a 350kW charger many times. The very first time I charged at a 350kW EA charger, it went from 20 to 80% in the time it took my girlfriend to use the bathroom and grab some snacks.
Like to see you do a coffee and toilet break with three kids in 20 minutes. Damn just the driver doing that would take over 15 minutes alone. The one thing I think all charging stations miss on is the coffee shot and snacks and toilets. Maybe there just are not enough people using the chargers yet and there would not be much business but damn at least portable toilets and a van selling coffee.
That was pretty solid charging considering the interruption. This charging session exemplifies the other factors that impact charging. For example, the speed decreases to protect the battery from overheating. Some of the chargers can be down when you go to charge, The battery may be cool when you first get to the station slowing the initial charging speeds. The apps for the public charging networks can slow the process a bit and don’t seem to be up to the Tesla ease of use.
Exactly. Look at CA and their rolling blackouts and asking people not to run their A/C at home. That was happening before a single EV was on the road. Imagine if even half of drivers had an EV? And they want to ban gasoline cars by 2035? Hmmmm
Imagine you think you can charge in 18 minutes and you go into a bathroom or a restaurant to pick up some food come back to see that your car is only 50% charged.
You'll most likely get a failure alert. In my Chevy Bolt I would and it's pretty quick to get the info to you. So it most likely wont be as a big of a surprise as you're trying to make it.
I think it’s reasonable for a full EV to charge under 20 minutes since that’s usually what it takes most people to use the RR and grab some food toward their trip. Though, I’m still not sold that EV is the way to go for the future of transportation.
That charging failure as cropped up before in your videos, I'd guess it's an EA issue rather than vehicle since its happened on several makes and models
Also things like living in a very cold climate it’s not charging anywhere close to this fast. Can you sit in the car getting heat with a near dead battery while charging?
EA is owned by Volkswagen. No wonder it's unreliable! Just like their cars. If Honda or Toyota made the Electrify America network, it would be far far better.
What if there are several other cars at this charging location? Will you still get full power, or will it be degraded because of all the other cars that are charging?
The fact you have to drive it hard to get a good charging speed is ridiculous, what if you can't do that because of traffic and also the thing crashing while you're out shopping or getting a cup of coffee, not good. Tesla FTW as it warms the battery for you before you get to the charging spot and the chargers are more reliable.
But you use battery to warm up the battery, so even though you get an initial faster rate, you need to put in more kWhs, so it doesn't necessarily save a lot of time if any.
So imagine if it went into that charging error while you were in eating lunch or shopping. You think you’re going to come back to a very full charge only to find it stuck at the halfway point waiting for you to restart it! Uggh!
I am glad TFL does this stuff. It saves me a LOT of time and $ on figuring out these details for myself. Thanks Tommy. :) I am sold on NOT buying an EV unless I have no other choice. lol
@@pryme2013 The price is the primary thing holding them back from the average buyer, in my opinion. This vehicle seems to hit the sweet spot for charging time. As a daily driver it would be perfect, as far as range. As a vacation vehicle it would seem to be good too. 250 miles stop for 20 minutes,200 miles stop for 20 minutes, 200 miles stop for 20 minutes. It would easily take me anywhere I'd want to go in a day.
@@pryme2013, Day to day you leave your house with a full charge every morning and don't need to fast charge or use public chargers at all. Fast chargers are for long distance road trips.
It seems like you always have issues charging electric vehicles at Electrify America charging stations. But still impressive that it charged that fast.
Any idea how the manufacturing volume is going to be over next 6 months? I live in CA and they have $7K - $10K mark ups over MSRP. Any ideas how long it will be if ever before these come down to MSRP in CA? 3 months? 6 months? 12 months? Never?
Seems a common theme here. Shmee150 had an electric Porsche and experienced much the same frustration trying to charge in the UK and Europe. I have a friend with a new Nissan Leaf having the same issues and here you are with the same issues. Tesla seems to have it together with their chargers but they are proprietary and you have to deal with the build issues. (Here come the hate comments from fanboys!) .. I hope these issues get ironed out as more people adopt electric vehicles. I'd love to see EV range increase. Imagine one that can go, say, 800 miles on a charge? That would be cool.
I would be worried leaving the car alt all, with the charging errors. It looks like the probability something is going wrong is still too high. I can imagine coming back to the car and it did not charge as expected - and I did not arrive at time because of that. Compare that to 900 km on a full diesel tank and less than 5 minutes to fill another 900 km. Well anyway, the Kia is really nice and drives great. Would not mind driving it at a daily basis for the shorter trips to work.
I suspect some of the issue comes down to cable cooling. Takes a while to spin up cooling…. But maybe it fails? Did the cooling sound maintain its peak?
This is like Apple, when you build the car but someone else builds the chargers you have more issues, or maybe it's like apple vs android. Fast charging means you might have to be there the whole time so you don't get penalized for not unplugging and moving your car after the charge.
At least where we live, charging at home is about 1/3 the cost of using a public DC fast charger like these, so you'd only use these if you can't charge at home or on a longer road trip.
Charging to 100 is a waste of time. Charging speed ramps down quickly after 80%. It would probably take another 20 minutes to get from 80 to 100. When you arrive at a fast charger at 15%, to add 20% only takes 5 minutes. So you are better off leaving when charging speed starts to ramp down, then try to wait it out going to 100.
Maybe we should talk about charging speeds in terms of 'miles (gained) per hour'? 180 miles in 23 minutes = 180 miles in 0.38 hrs = 473MPH. Maybe in terms of charge rate to highway speed ratio? 473/70 = 6.8X. "My car charges at 473 MPH" or "My car charges at 6.8X." "That's pretty darned good, I just put down an order for a new Volkswagen that charges at 520MPH*. I'm pretty excited about that." *Note, I have no knowledge of any such car existing. This is just imagining two bro-dudes talking about their EVs over a beer.
I have lots of issues with EA & my Bolt. Not sure how much is EA & how much is the Bolt. It might even be specific to my car. I can only tell you that I’m more likely to spot Sasquatch on a unicorn riding Nessie than to have a smooth charging experience with EA.
31 cents per KW. Wow that is expensive. I guess when you are on the road you have to pay what they want. Home electric averages about 12-13 cents per KW
My truck would be filled with fuel in 6 minutes... No Thanks to electric. Good luck charging in the rain. No shelter at the electric charge station. I would have been 10-15 miles down the road by the time you finished..
I would be 10-15 miles down the road first because I charged fully overnight at home while you had to drive to a smelly gas station, stand out in the cold and get accosted by the homeless only to pay for a very volatile commodity which is frequently made by state sponsors of terrorism (Saudi Arabia) and quite expensive right now.
If you're towing, you also have to unhitch, charge & re-hitch each time. A friend pulls his race trailer everywhere, so electric wouldn't work for him yet, but he did pay $6.05 per gallon of diesel in AZ, and spent over $300 to fill his 60 gallon tank. He gets 10 MPG towing (pretty good) with his Cummins. It gets complicated when you consider cost, time, convenience, charger reliability, short vs. long trips, etc.
Yep, to fill my SUV from swipe to receipt is about 3 minutes. I make a point of always timing my transactions now to see if I am inconvenienced yet from spending a whole 3 minutes a week filling my car up, hasn't happened yet. LOL
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd smelly gas station,,, you have lost your man card... I watched a video of an electric truck towing. 100 miles,, that's it. Good luck standing around for 30-60 minutes waiting for the junk electric to charge.
Tommy, Thank you for a look at how Kia’s doing at meeting their claims on charge rate. Sounds like either EA’s or Kia’s s/w didn’t get a handshake on time or the checksum was wrong and the system shut down rather than risk damage. S/W seems like it’s the poor sister for thorough validation BEFORE getting into the field ….
This is making it so tempting to trade in my newly installed fresh batteries (105k miles) '18 Bolt for something like this. Best looking EV compact car to date IMO. Do need to see it in-person though.
@@coreyallen1090 I did think of one car that I find worse than the bolt that thankfully isn't made anymore. The BMW i3. If you think that's good looking, I have many questions about you 🤣
@@coreyallen1090 I like the ev6 and the Ionic. I wouldn't buy them because of the lack of a frunk though. And I like bigger cars lol. ID4 is attractive on the outside, inside is a little too funky for my liking, but I can see the appeal to others.
The EV6 has me intrigued. $17 for 193 miles is pretty good ($.088 per mile). My 2020 RDX SH-AWD costs me $.20 per mile, my wife’s CX-30 $.145 per mile. Is you EV6 2wd or AWD? (Maybe I missed that in the video). The AWD units have a heat pump in them, the 2wd does not. I don’t know, however, if Kia uses the heat pump to condition the battery.
Looks like right around 40mpg is where fuel gets cheeper(estimating at $3.50) than this ev charging station. I was pretty shocked to see it cost so much at this location. At this point you can get a hybrid that will go farther without with ev problems in the infrastructure and still be spending less.
Still need to take into account the cost of the vehicle. A new non hybrid Corolla is 20k and gets 40mpg. What does this car cost? Probably similar size to a Corolla.
Most of the problems are on Charging station themselves that could ruin the experience.. not the cars... These companies need to step up and improve their infrastructure as EV demands are outpacing them.
The charging reliability isn’t there. Why would you have to restart the charging session? Imagine you’re at a store and come back only to have the car stop charging at 51%.
If anyone could explain why is charging a car battery more difficult than charging anything else like phones laptops. I mean we been charging batteries for a very very long time why is a car battery not a simple plug it in and walk away ?
There is a lot of protection built in to the car set up. It’s a very volatile situation and those batteries are not something you want blowing up. As you charge faster it becomes more dangerous.
I think that station is finicky, as Out Of Spec has used it before and it's hit or miss at times. At least it looks like the one they use for their endurance loop.
They're all finicky... We've been at most of the EA stations in Colorado with our Ioniq 5 and I can think of maybe one session where we just plugged in and it worked at the expected speed for the conditions through the entire session, unfortunately. It's a real problem.
In my mind, this makes 18 minutes entirely possible. Given the loss in time plus a minute or two variance in charging speed, optimal conditions, etc. It's fast is all I care. If I'm doing a road trip, it's possible to stop for a snack/coffee/bathroom and get back to a mostly charged car
I think that $7 Government Mandated Diesel that's going to be forced to $10 by the end of the summer is (B) (S) like all the claims about EV's and their Charging Stations being the best thing since sliced bread.
Imagine having to constantly worry about how fast your gas was pumping? This is not worth it at all in 2022. Extra stress over battery life and how fast it takes to charge to get you where you need to go. If you live in a big city and work close I think it is a great choice as you can just plug in every night at home. Otherwise we have a few years to a decade for capacity and range to increase as cost and charging times go down. Too much stress otherwise IMO.
I'm an actual EV owner. Most of your charging is done at home or work. If you don't have the ability to charge in either place, or you take weekly road trips, I'd agree with you. When charging at home you save a lot of time and money by not having to go to a gas station.
You mentioned that in the ~20 minutes, you could hit the bathroom, grab a cup of coffee, etc. Is that safe? Is it legal? I know I wouldn't leave my car unattended at a fast charging station...
Why? Pretty much every person that owns and EV goes and does something else while the car is charging. What is staring at it going to accomplish? Is the electricity going to overflow and poor all over the ground like gasoline?
If the charging infrastructure is so bad, with initiation delays, and other issues, the entire "20 minute charge" thing is purely theoretical. I've always thought Teslas were superior, even if the cars themselves weren't, because of the Supercharger Network. It just seems like all the RUclipsrs are having trouble with the CCS network.
Me, puts gas in car, fills to 100% is less than 3 minutes and I am gone. LOL Also robberies must be happening at these charging stations since Out of Spec made a video on it, just like I predicted would happen.
You cannot buy this EV6 right away since there are waiting list. Also production cannot keep up demand due to failed quality control and continuous design change. not too mention battery issue.
So I've been using EA chargers for years. I've reviewed the technical information, discussed the topic on forums and at EV events as well as while waiting at charging locations with other EV owners. I've talked to support numerous times as well as commercial electricians at EA sites doing firmware updates and troubleshooting issues with level 2 support and come to the following conclusion. "Electrify America Sucks".
I hope that clears things up..
Thank you. 🙂
Its a VW company, what did you expect? QOS - Quality of service?
Maybe has something to do with how Electrify America and Electrify Canada are basically punishments for VW
Pretty good charging performance, that's actually coming close to a reasonable break on a road trip, but its another reminder that infrastructure isn't there yet, reliability and location need some work.
Except for tesla
@@larryspiller15 People are still having to wait in lines for Tesla charging.
@@ktpinnacle that's extremely rare. No more common then waiting in line at the gas station. Just gets amplified because the weirdos are always trying to find "gotcha's" on Tesla.
@@larryspiller15 The circumstance I was recalling was a long line of folks headed from Phx to the west coast after a weekend. Not the usual case of folks using their own garages to power up for normal daily use.
Just wish EA was more reliable. These issues happen far too often. I always say if you can go eat lunch while it’s charging it’s no big deal if you are stopped for 30 minutes. But if you return to your car and the session has failed you are still stuck waiting. Come on EA get your act together. I believe it’s them because you see this happen on a lot of charging videos regardless of the make of vehicle.
EA is part of the diesel-gate settlement... EA is required to install, but appears NO concern for Functionality
My guess is that VW is still pissed that they got caught with the dieselgate scandal and don't really want to maintain the electrify America network.
@@justinfowler2857 More like...VWs are infamous for electrical problems in their ICE cars, is it any surprise that they can't run a charging network?
Well, anyone who has watched EV videos knows the problems that most EV owners have found with the Electrify America / Electrify Canada systems. Battery conditioning may be at fault as well.
However, 23 minutes from 10% to 80% is damned quick . . . not fill up the gas tank quick, but a lot better than 'sitting down to a meal' quick or 'walk through the mall' quick.
Pretty much a "loo trip and coffee" break for families.
@@ravitoday The problem is, assuming normal efficiency losses while driving and the time it takes to get to a charger and start charging, that's a "loo trip and coffee" break every 2 hours or so. If taking a day long drive, that's least 2 additional hours between point A and point B.
But that's if the systems are working like they are here, which I would not be expecting from EA.
Why not 100%? I don't fill up just 80% of my gas tank.
@@garygeorge9648 100% creates more battery degradation.
@@AkioWasRight Then it isn't made very good and you have to recharge more often. Not a good scenario for someone who travels far distances.
Really shows one of the biggest issues with switching to ev's. The reliability of charging is no where on par with gas stations yet. Needs to greatly improve. Ev's are a no brainer for those who don't exceed the need for a single charge per day, and have the ability to charge at home overnight. For everyone else, the charge network isn't there yet. Not fast enough for road trips, and still not available everywhere. It'll get there of course, just not yet. Ev's and the network are almost like the chicken and the egg. Which one spurs the other one more? Still hoping we get to the range and recharge speed of gas sooner than later.
We have a Ioniq 5 Limited and did a 3k mile trip to FL. In 70-75F weather, we consistently hit 230-244 Kw speeds in the same window you did.
Our fastest equivalent charge was a 16-86% SOC in 16 mins 53 sec on an EVgo 350 station. The 18 min claim is doable with a warm battery at the right temps.
Like all EVs cold weather is the killer and a 19-80% charge in a snowstorm at 20F took 29 mins. Still zero charging speed complaints. Our return run of 1,300 miles required a total time charging of 1 hr 54 mins.
Your frustration with charger is why I'm still not sold on evs yet. Also more companies are making more evs but none are really talking about charging infrastructure or reducing charge time. Maybe in a few years
I'll take being able to fuel up at home 99% of the year if it means having a couple charging errors the few days that I might be on road trips.
@@DirectCurrentRides I agree but not everyone has a house with a charger. With limited real estate charging stations are usually located outside of urban area at least near me. If they can put them in more parking lots then that would be a step forward
@@dub88acc I currently don't recommend EVs to anyone that does not have some form of charging at home. Love mine, been doing it for 4.5yr, but yeah...
@@DirectCurrentRides same! The public charging fees are ridiculous
Exactly…
Concerning that kinda long time to negotiate with the car, I'd be inclined to say it's the charger. I've got a 350kW near and when I plug it starts in like 15 seconds on my Ioniq 5.
I saw my first one yesterday in FL. Lots of weird angles, but it makes it look good. However, I still prefer the looks of the Ioniq5
both are garbage
saw a white one on the street of toronto the other day, I want a ioniq 5 now
Did your phone give you an alert that charging failed, or do you have to stare at the charger for a half hour? Also, when you do these videos, it would be helpful to start out with, "I'm at EV America. X chargers don't work. Y chargers are capable of high speed charging. After charging, tell us the cost & KWh."
Nobody sells more Teslas than Electrify America. 🤣
Can you compare this with the charging rate of a Tesla model Y? It would be great to see side by side comparisons since their charging curves are so different
To fast charge an EV6, you need the coldest cell in the battery pack to be at least at 25°C (77°F).
At the moment there's no battery conditioning option in the Kia. I hope an update can solve that.
In colder weather, you can hit speed as low as 60kW.
So in the Midwest when it’s 10 below zero how long will it take lmao.
@@pryme2013 my bolt which charges usually around 50-55kw will take 2 to more like 3 times as long than this EV6. Super tempting. My guess 45-50min
What the heck? It has this ridiculous architecture but doesn’t have conditioning?
@@pryme2013 sounds like 1 hour, maybe less if the battery warms up enough, so like 45 min?
@@pryme2013 At 10 below zero, I can put 400 miles of range into my gasoline car, in 3 minutes.
If the time that the charger stopped is removed, its very close to what kia said, which is very impressive, even if it took a little longer its still very good. A good vehicle and a good test.👍
Ok in the first 8 minutes my 20 mpg van would fill 16 gallons of 87 octane, buy 2 drinks, make a hot dog ,use the rest room, clean my windshield and be 1.0 miles up the road with a 320 mile range!
Perhaps, but with gas at 4.39 (May 2022) that would cost over $70. I'm not a fool and think EVs will meet the needs of everyone, but I drive to save money. Plus I don't like the smell of gasoline.
Very interesting that I have the exact same vehicle, even the color. Mine has done an 18 minute charge at a 350kW charger many times. The very first time I charged at a 350kW EA charger, it went from 20 to 80% in the time it took my girlfriend to use the bathroom and grab some snacks.
Like to see you do a coffee and toilet break with three kids in 20 minutes. Damn just the driver doing that would take over 15 minutes alone.
The one thing I think all charging stations miss on is the coffee shot and snacks and toilets. Maybe there just are not enough people using the chargers yet and there would not be much business but damn at least portable toilets and a van selling coffee.
hopefully they will implement battery preconditioning in future updates.
Indeed, the car should have come with it from the factory
I know that it's an unknown variable.. but the charging test should include the charging station connection time since it can take a few minutes.
Would love to buy an ev6 myself at some point. Currently have a k5
That’s awesome. Glad it was just a cold gate thing. Ev6 seems like a cool car and I like that the port is right on the back.
That was pretty solid charging considering the interruption. This charging session exemplifies the other factors that impact charging. For example, the speed decreases to protect the battery from overheating. Some of the chargers can be down when you go to charge, The battery may be cool when you first get to the station slowing the initial charging speeds. The apps for the public charging networks can slow the process a bit and don’t seem to be up to the Tesla ease of use.
See for me it’s not the cars I worry about, it the charges- and power grid. Chargers will get more reliable. Power grid? Not so much
Exactly. Look at CA and their rolling blackouts and asking people not to run their A/C at home. That was happening before a single EV was on the road. Imagine if even half of drivers had an EV? And they want to ban gasoline cars by 2035? Hmmmm
very helpful, thx TFL
Charged from 10 to 80 percent in 18 min yesterday in Leavenworth, WA
I saw the GT version near me. Very interesting and cool looking. Makes me want to get the EV6 Light or Wind edition (whenever they build it)
Imagine you think you can charge in 18 minutes and you go into a bathroom or a restaurant to pick up some food come back to see that your car is only 50% charged.
You'll most likely get a failure alert. In my Chevy Bolt I would and it's pretty quick to get the info to you. So it most likely wont be as a big of a surprise as you're trying to make it.
@@coreyallen1090 Shouldn't happen in the first place. Now you have to walk back to your car and start all over.
@@garygeorge9648 poor poor guy
@@coreyallen1090 I guess if you want to waste your time that is up to you.
I think it’s reasonable for a full EV to charge under 20 minutes since that’s usually what it takes most people to use the RR and grab some food toward their trip. Though, I’m still not sold that EV is the way to go for the future of transportation.
That charging failure as cropped up before in your videos, I'd guess it's an EA issue rather than vehicle since its happened on several makes and models
I suggesting using carscanner or Torque to get the battery temp, charge rate, and charge state.
Faster but damn there's a lot of variables. If a gas station as a whole doesn't work I just drive down the road
Also things like living in a very cold climate it’s not charging anywhere close to this fast. Can you sit in the car getting heat with a near dead battery while charging?
@@pryme2013 You can. The car charges slightly slower. For my experience a charging session is a good time to take a break and maybe even a short nap.
Thanks for doing this test. And only if Electrify America were reliable, this test would have been perfect.
EA is owned by Volkswagen. No wonder it's unreliable! Just like their cars.
If Honda or Toyota made the Electrify America network, it would be far far better.
yeah go in to get a coffee come back out 20 mins later and find that there was a session error on min 2 .............
What if there are several other cars at this charging location? Will you still get full power, or will it be degraded because of all the other cars that are charging?
The fact you have to drive it hard to get a good charging speed is ridiculous, what if you can't do that because of traffic and also the thing crashing while you're out shopping or getting a cup of coffee, not good. Tesla FTW as it warms the battery for you before you get to the charging spot and the chargers are more reliable.
But you use battery to warm up the battery, so even though you get an initial faster rate, you need to put in more kWhs, so it doesn't necessarily save a lot of time if any.
So imagine if it went into that charging error while you were in eating lunch or shopping. You think you’re going to come back to a very full charge only to find it stuck at the halfway point waiting for you to restart it! Uggh!
The infrastructure is the nightmare on the horizon.
Now try imagine how this infrastructure would look like without the Volkswagen Dieselgate.
I am glad TFL does this stuff. It saves me a LOT of time and $ on figuring out these details for myself. Thanks Tommy. :) I am sold on NOT buying an EV unless I have no other choice. lol
I saw both, the EV 6 and the Ionic 5 out in the wild in Erie, PA. I definitely prefer the EV6 in both exterior and interior design.
Love the car. Interesting tests although most of us would probably charge at home.
On a road trip, there is no home charging.
Wow. What and interesting video. Thanks Tommy for showing us how far EV's have come.
And how far they still need to come to be a real day to day option.
@@pryme2013 The price is the primary thing holding them back from the average buyer, in my opinion. This vehicle seems to hit the sweet spot for charging time. As a daily driver it would be perfect, as far as range. As a vacation vehicle it would seem to be good too. 250 miles stop for 20 minutes,200 miles stop for 20 minutes, 200 miles stop for 20 minutes. It would easily take me anywhere I'd want to go in a day.
@@pryme2013, Day to day you leave your house with a full charge every morning and don't need to fast charge or use public chargers at all. Fast chargers are for long distance road trips.
You should try a Chargepoint or EVgo charger
It seems like you always have issues charging electric vehicles at Electrify America charging stations. But still impressive that it charged that fast.
Any idea how the manufacturing volume is going to be over next 6 months? I live in CA and they have $7K - $10K mark ups over MSRP. Any ideas how long it will be if ever before these come down to MSRP in CA? 3 months? 6 months? 12 months? Never?
Tommy should also do the same test on a 150 charger.. may be close too the same overall time.
Faster then my 2013 smart electric 😂. I will say I’ve never had one issue with my smart. Not one.
Seems a common theme here. Shmee150 had an electric Porsche and experienced much the same frustration trying to charge in the UK and Europe. I have a friend with a new Nissan Leaf having the same issues and here you are with the same issues. Tesla seems to have it together with their chargers but they are proprietary and you have to deal with the build issues. (Here come the hate comments from fanboys!) .. I hope these issues get ironed out as more people adopt electric vehicles.
I'd love to see EV range increase. Imagine one that can go, say, 800 miles on a charge? That would be cool.
I would be worried leaving the car alt all, with the charging errors. It looks like the probability something is going wrong is still too high. I can imagine coming back to the car and it did not charge as expected - and I did not arrive at time because of that. Compare that to 900 km on a full diesel tank and less than 5 minutes to fill another 900 km. Well anyway, the Kia is really nice and drives great. Would not mind driving it at a daily basis for the shorter trips to work.
you get a text on your phone if the charging session is interrupted
I suspect some of the issue comes down to cable cooling. Takes a while to spin up cooling…. But maybe it fails? Did the cooling sound maintain its peak?
This is like Apple, when you build the car but someone else builds the chargers you have more issues, or maybe it's like apple vs android. Fast charging means you might have to be there the whole time so you don't get penalized for not unplugging and moving your car after the charge.
Great video Tommy. How does the 190 miles for $17 compare to a hybrid vehicle like a Prius?
Not hard to figure out. A Prius gets 50mpg. Gas is 3.69 here. So it’s less to drive the Prius.
At least where we live, charging at home is about 1/3 the cost of using a public DC fast charger like these, so you'd only use these if you can't charge at home or on a longer road trip.
@@pryme2013 Yeah, but you are driving a small car that is nowhere near as comfortable and there isn't that much difference in price.
How to you find that high grade charger?
So what are there claims for battery longevity with charging the batteries that fast.
The battery warranty is 10 years and 100,000 miles, so they expect it to last longer than that.
Did you include the initiating time in your 18 minutes? Also, why only 80% and not 100%? That means I just have to stop sooner the next time.
Charging to 100 is a waste of time. Charging speed ramps down quickly after 80%. It would probably take another 20 minutes to get from 80 to 100. When you arrive at a fast charger at 15%, to add 20% only takes 5 minutes. So you are better off leaving when charging speed starts to ramp down, then try to wait it out going to 100.
Great video, thank you for doing this test! 23 minutes is still pretty good! Thank you for sharing! 🔌⚡🚘
Maybe we should talk about charging speeds in terms of 'miles (gained) per hour'? 180 miles in 23 minutes = 180 miles in 0.38 hrs = 473MPH. Maybe in terms of charge rate to highway speed ratio? 473/70 = 6.8X. "My car charges at 473 MPH" or "My car charges at 6.8X." "That's pretty darned good, I just put down an order for a new Volkswagen that charges at 520MPH*. I'm pretty excited about that." *Note, I have no knowledge of any such car existing. This is just imagining two bro-dudes talking about their EVs over a beer.
KIA got spanked pretty good for false mileage claims years ago. It's good to see their claims now meeting their engineering.
Seems so far the Hummer EV that Andre did in AZ is still the king of charging
I have lots of issues with EA & my Bolt. Not sure how much is EA & how much is the Bolt. It might even be specific to my car. I can only tell you that I’m more likely to spot Sasquatch on a unicorn riding Nessie than to have a smooth charging experience with EA.
Did the Solar panels and Wind farms get overloaded to drop back down to 115 Kwh?
Reminds me of Wild World of Sports announcer with bobsleigh wipeout.
@TFLEV So, what is the EV6 maximum charge rate, you said: "We're at 227kW and near its maximum peak charge rate".... so what is its max? 250kW?
31 cents per KW. Wow that is expensive. I guess when you are on the road you have to pay what they want. Home electric averages about 12-13 cents per KW
6:28 It’s an issue with which I do not have to deal because I fuel my vehicles with dead dinosaurs.
My truck would be filled with fuel in 6 minutes... No Thanks to electric. Good luck charging in the rain. No shelter at the electric charge station. I would have been 10-15 miles down the road by the time you finished..
I would be 10-15 miles down the road first because I charged fully overnight at home while you had to drive to a smelly gas station, stand out in the cold and get accosted by the homeless only to pay for a very volatile commodity which is frequently made by state sponsors of terrorism (Saudi Arabia) and quite expensive right now.
If you're towing, you also have to unhitch, charge & re-hitch each time. A friend pulls his race trailer everywhere, so electric wouldn't work for him yet, but he did pay $6.05 per gallon of diesel in AZ, and spent over $300 to fill his 60 gallon tank. He gets 10 MPG towing (pretty good) with his Cummins. It gets complicated when you consider cost, time, convenience, charger reliability, short vs. long trips, etc.
Yep, to fill my SUV from swipe to receipt is about 3 minutes. I make a point of always timing my transactions now to see if I am inconvenienced yet from spending a whole 3 minutes a week filling my car up, hasn't happened yet. LOL
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd smelly gas station,,, you have lost your man card... I watched a video of an electric truck towing. 100 miles,, that's it. Good luck standing around for 30-60 minutes waiting for the junk electric to charge.
@@Lynyrd_Evnyrd You are aware the EV is not possible without fossil fuels right? You voted for slow Joe I’m sure.
Tommy,
Thank you for a look at how Kia’s doing at meeting their claims on charge rate.
Sounds like either EA’s or Kia’s s/w didn’t get a handshake on time or the checksum was wrong and the system shut down rather than risk damage. S/W seems like it’s the poor sister for thorough validation BEFORE getting into the field ….
This is making it so tempting to trade in my newly installed fresh batteries (105k miles) '18 Bolt for something like this. Best looking EV compact car to date IMO. Do need to see it in-person though.
Just about anything is better looking than the bolt right now 🤣
@@ColeSpolaric not really.... Bolt is a really good looking hatchback when set up right IMO....
@@coreyallen1090 I did think of one car that I find worse than the bolt that thankfully isn't made anymore. The BMW i3. If you think that's good looking, I have many questions about you 🤣
@@ColeSpolaric curious...
What's your opinion of a decent/good looking EV under 50k?
@@coreyallen1090 I like the ev6 and the Ionic. I wouldn't buy them because of the lack of a frunk though. And I like bigger cars lol. ID4 is attractive on the outside, inside is a little too funky for my liking, but I can see the appeal to others.
The EV6 has me intrigued. $17 for 193 miles is pretty good ($.088 per mile). My 2020 RDX SH-AWD costs me $.20 per mile, my wife’s CX-30 $.145 per mile.
Is you EV6 2wd or AWD? (Maybe I missed that in the video). The AWD units have a heat pump in them, the 2wd does not. I don’t know, however, if Kia uses the heat pump to condition the battery.
Can you take the same car and go to different charging station by different company and see the difference?
Looks like right around 40mpg is where fuel gets cheeper(estimating at $3.50) than this ev charging station. I was pretty shocked to see it cost so much at this location. At this point you can get a hybrid that will go farther without with ev problems in the infrastructure and still be spending less.
Unless you charge at home at 12 cents a kilowatt
Still need to take into account the cost of the vehicle. A new non hybrid Corolla is 20k and gets 40mpg. What does this car cost? Probably similar size to a Corolla.
227 kW until 60% is impressive! Well done Kia! Now you have to lower the consumption of your cars and have at last delivered your first Tesla killa!
Most of the problems are on Charging station themselves that could ruin the experience.. not the cars... These companies need to step up and improve their infrastructure as EV demands are outpacing them.
The charging reliability isn’t there. Why would you have to restart the charging session? Imagine you’re at a store and come back only to have the car stop charging at 51%.
If anyone could explain why is charging a car battery more difficult than charging anything else like phones laptops. I mean we been charging batteries for a very very long time why is a car battery not a simple plug it in and walk away ?
There is a lot of protection built in to the car set up. It’s a very volatile situation and those batteries are not something you want blowing up. As you charge faster it becomes more dangerous.
Money, need to get paid
I think that station is finicky, as Out Of Spec has used it before and it's hit or miss at times. At least it looks like the one they use for their endurance loop.
They're all finicky... We've been at most of the EA stations in Colorado with our Ioniq 5 and I can think of maybe one session where we just plugged in and it worked at the expected speed for the conditions through the entire session, unfortunately. It's a real problem.
In my mind, this makes 18 minutes entirely possible. Given the loss in time plus a minute or two variance in charging speed, optimal conditions, etc. It's fast is all I care. If I'm doing a road trip, it's possible to stop for a snack/coffee/bathroom and get back to a mostly charged car
Charged from 8% to 80% in 19 minutes, Ioniq 5 on Ionity charger.
18 minutes in....... THEORY
Tesla model 3 SR+ LFP 10%-80% has been clocked at 25 minutes. That car has the same EPA range rating
Seen a test where it hits 240 but chargers are not reliable.
$.09/mile. Not bad
Why don't any of these charging stations have a roof to keep you dry during the rain etc?
I think that $7 Government Mandated Diesel that's going to be forced to $10 by the end of the summer is (B) (S) like all the claims about EV's and their Charging Stations being the best thing since sliced bread.
They can't make enough of them
This thing charges FAST. I could get similar percentage/time on my leaf... But uh, maybe gain 40 miles of range 😂
The nearest non Tesla public “fast” charger is 50 miles away, expensive and unreliable. No thanks maybe someday Hyundai, Toyota, GM, Ford, etc. ☹️
I'll take the ⛽..gas any day...
Imagine having to constantly worry about how fast your gas was pumping? This is not worth it at all in 2022. Extra stress over battery life and how fast it takes to charge to get you where you need to go. If you live in a big city and work close I think it is a great choice as you can just plug in every night at home. Otherwise we have a few years to a decade for capacity and range to increase as cost and charging times go down. Too much stress otherwise IMO.
I'm an actual EV owner. Most of your charging is done at home or work. If you don't have the ability to charge in either place, or you take weekly road trips, I'd agree with you. When charging at home you save a lot of time and money by not having to go to a gas station.
The exterior design is such an I-Pace knock off.
No its not
The time it took just to restart the charging I could have got a full tank of gas still got a while before it's as convenient
Right, the average fuel pump runs at 10 gallons per minute.
The charging session depends on the station doesn’t it? The car is a part of the scenario but Electrify America holds the key, Yes? 🙏☘️
This could be an ad for Tesla’s supercharging network.
Yeah, that is true, but not everyone can afford a 60-120 thousand dollar car. You usually get what you pay for.
Thought they were to charge at 350kw?
You mentioned that in the ~20 minutes, you could hit the bathroom, grab a cup of coffee, etc. Is that safe? Is it legal? I know I wouldn't leave my car unattended at a fast charging station...
Why? Pretty much every person that owns and EV goes and does something else while the car is charging. What is staring at it going to accomplish? Is the electricity going to overflow and poor all over the ground like gasoline?
If battery pre-conditioning is needed for fast charging, why doesn't the car heat up the batteries itself, if the owner chooses?
When they get a truck that can charge just as fast as that Kia I will then buy it
all charging stations except teslas, suck,
Tesla charging stations are defintely a lot more reliable.
@@scotthucks7966 I never went to one that didn't work
If the charging infrastructure is so bad, with initiation delays, and other issues, the entire "20 minute charge" thing is purely theoretical. I've always thought Teslas were superior, even if the cars themselves weren't, because of the Supercharger Network. It just seems like all the RUclipsrs are having trouble with the CCS network.
Me, puts gas in car, fills to 100% is less than 3 minutes and I am gone. LOL
Also robberies must be happening at these charging stations since Out of Spec made a video on it, just like I predicted would happen.
There are bad actors everywhere.
You cannot buy this EV6 right away since there are waiting list. Also production cannot keep up demand due to failed quality control and continuous design change. not too mention battery issue.
This car will charge in 25 min and in a couple years it's going to drain in an hour. These kia batteries won't hold up long term..
We expect the next video to open with a strudel and a wooden duck.