Columbia students who stood against anti-Israel mob speak out
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2024
- Columbia University students Rory Wilson and Charles Beck tell 'The Ingraham Angle' why they stood against an anti-Israel mob attempting to break into Hamilton Hall. #foxnews #fox #theingrahamangle
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See who tries to hide their identity and who doesn’t. God bless these young men.
That's what I thought too. Amen!
Awesome
A Hollywood interview full of nonsense and lies, as is the norm in the American media funded by international Zionism. Both parties are American students. Why don’t you ignore the other party and spread hatred towards a specific party even though they are peaceful and are being provoked by Israel’s supporters?
When we live in a tyranny, the victims have to hide their faces, the bullies don't.
American forefathers heavily relied on anonymity, on case you slept through your history classes.
@@havanasyndrome3024 nope syndrome. Any time there is a crime it is the criminal who hides their face. Also similar to people not using their real names when attempting to insult others. 👍🏼
The woman threatening false assault charges, to ruin that students life, deserves to be charged and put in jail.
Sums up Palestine - Israel
@@Autumnns30you do know that HAMAS started all this first by BEHEADING over 50 new born babies right???
Oh right no, you just follow the sheep
Andy Gno had the same thing. A few years ago he was literally standing still in a park, and a bunch of people came up and started shoving him out of the way and then one of them yelled that Andy assaulted her. It's on camera. He was literally standing still. That was the protest, where a professor called for some "muscle" to get him out of the area. She was fired, and then promptly hired by some wacky lefties.
Not false. It is on videos
@@foreverlearn3866 I donno what video you watched but the only person who was seen being assaulted was the guy in glasses.
Why is the college administration not shutting this down ?And where is the accountability and consequences of the students that are destroying schools property and they are disrupting school classes and activities?
TAKE A LOOK AT THE 🇺🇲 "WHITE HOUSE" AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS ONCE AGAIN ! ! !
unfortunately this is not the answer for everything…
Because we've arrived there: They call evil good, and good evil. They put darkness for light, and light for darkness. They put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter...
This is AMERICA we don’t live like this it has to stop
Right...what is the school admin doing? or maybe they are also TS.
I'm proud of these two young men who had the bravery to stand up to these "protestors".
your such a bum haha
To stand alone against a mob defines their level of courage.
It's not courage, it's stupidity. Willing to give up their lives to defend terrorism
@@Nabiljaffer Think he means these two students - who ARE courageous against these sheep-like mobs 'protesting' something they don't even understand. They will, though, once they are the next targets of the very dangerous te--r--r groups they are endorsing. This is America's best and brightest? Good for these 2 guys!
Exaggerated threats and zionist snowflakes.
Hamas ard their supporters are terrorists
@@NabiljafferYou misunderstood the comment.
Absolute BALLS by these two MEN!!! Outstanding work and bravery! The family of these two men have done a wonderful job raising them.
Wrong, these two perves are pussies. 😂
😂 balls for allowing pu$$ies to put hands on them??
Please.
Amen for real there parents should be proud
Fake courage
Yeah right, two wimpy boys .... 😂
What a F joke.
I hope their Parents are as proud of these 2 young men as we are.
They are. These boys were raised right, unlike the brainwashed snowflake baby killing face pierced morons.
You can see that they are good children who received a good education, unlike the barbarian students...
Kudos to these two young men for daring to stand up against the tantrums thrown by these entitled, spoilt teenagers!
....AND totally ignorant!
Rory and Charles, thank you for restoring my faith and showing me that there is still hope for this country.
God forbid university students protest
Exxagerations by zionist snowflakes ❄️
@@bryanhale6337 get lost troll 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Your easily swayed
@@prisoner7623they are not protesting they're rioting.
Strongly support the students standing for good and not terrorism.
Msm leaving out the fake Jewish students are part of the protest.
You act as if Israel was being occupied rather than the other way around
They’re both the same people, ones calmer but more evil. The other is wild and erratically desperate
@@Dana-cg4nmISRAEL 🇮🇱 owns the land read the bible,
❤Israel
These two young men showed more courage than all of the university presidents
From a Jewish American-thank you standing with us and with our country
Two guys that deserve decent jobs.
in the cia perhaps
💯
In a bank?
They deserve leadership type work! Some people are born leaders with exemplary character! The protesters are the bottom-dwellers!
In mossad? Then they will visit your daughters for some dirty work so you will be helpfulness like their victims
They were literally surrounded by the devil’s minions. God bless and protect them!🙏🏻
Rory Wilson and his grandpa Doug Wilson are proving that this family is God's gift to our current cultural climate. God protect them and all who stand with them.
Respect to these men who stood against bullies. Two aganist thousands. We need more men full of courage and boldness.
«Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.»
1 Timothy 4:12 ESV
Beautiful Word!
Jail the trespassers, suspend the students who committed the damage. DEPORT those who can be deported.
That would be too pragmatic for Democrat run places like New York.
Pure facist
Hate to break your precious hearts, but dems don't want religious based conflict here either. We already have enough fake Christians.
Have you ever heard of authoritarianism? You would be a perfect fit.
Even though I sense that the danger presented by these protests is overblown, your comment is valid. They had the first amendment protecting them, but now they are violating private property and police response is legally justified.
There are a few real men left in the younger generation.
Kudos brave young men.
The real men are standing at Colombia university protesting the killing of children while you support it so I don’t think someone like you is fit to speak about manhood boy
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 okay that was funny, you're really funny please tell me where you do your stuff I'd pay good money to see your material.
Quote from The Bridges at Toko-Ri asks "Where do we get such men?"
@@patlang1744
Go back to Mommy's basement.
You are a funny clown
🤣🤣🤣
@@patlang1744
Shoo shoo...back to mommy's basement for you!
Mob rule - intimidation , criminal damage , assault etc
How did theses idiots get into any college
Has the country lost its mind. How is this allowed to happen. Where is security to protect the campus? Where is the police?
That's not a protest, that's an angry mob
It was a literal riot.
Insurrection.
A mostly-peaceful angry mob.
@@toughgirl6837it's terrorists
@@swampdonkey4919terrorists
Both students are heroes. Its wonderful to see two sane and normative youngsters in a sea of insanity.
Truly! it's a rare occurrence these days.
Not really they just with funny hat clan
@@Gee_Morty..you are on the nose!
@@Gee_Morty.. FU!GO ISRAEL!GO TRUMP!
@@havanasyndrome3024 These Jewish children are so much better looking then these spoiled brats.GO ISRAEL!GO TRUMP!
For criminals and terrorists: it's called "A Summer of Peace."
For TRUE PATRIOTS:
There is ZERO Justice.
Disgusting behaviour, no self control, all so entitled and bored with their own lives, just pathetic.
And they are not covering their faces to the world! Brave boys, they are true American future!
... while Biden weakens the military by giving $50,000 enlistment bonuses to lgbtqpia+, especially insane girly men trans-gender nuts.
The cowards are covering their faces.
Defund colleges not cops. These cops need a raise 🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🦮🦮🚔🚔
Unless it's the January 6th cops 👮♀️ 👮♂️ 🚔 🚓 defending the capital against the Trump insurrection mobs. 😂😂😂
Literally the dumbest comment on youtube 😂. Sounds like you had your schools defunded long ago by your local GOP member
Possibly the dumbest comment ever 👏👏 keep bootlicking fascist
Oh they need the bonus of a lifetime for doing their jobs
🔥FACT (1)🔥 Young girls protest for Palestine because they seek a meaning for their lives; & there is nothing pisses the establishment & baby-boomers more than a pro-Palestine cause!
🔥FACT (2)🔥Young boys doing it because of the girls. 🤷♀️
These mobs will not stop until someone stands up to them instead of enabling this
Rory Wilson is the grandson of Doug Wilson , who was just interviewed on Tucker. He is also the son of ND Wilson, an awesome Christian author. The more you know✨✨
Beautiful!
These two brave students should Sue Columbia and transfer to a Florida university.
There not that brave
@@Dana-cg4nmmore brave then the mob that doesn’t know why they are protesting
@@TraderWize they do but you are basically getting your talking points from fox news. Maybe get some information from other sources.
With full scholarships.
@@Dana-cg4nm- Maybe you need to go back to school so you know that 'there' should be 'they're'.
Hats off to those two kids. Standing up for what is right. Gonna take someone willing to die to get us out of this mess.
I wonder if the Christian people know what the Palestinians did to them in Lebanon in 1975?DAMOUR!GO ISRAEL!GO TRUMP!
there where a lot of people that where not even students! This was set up on the outside and pushed to become violent by outsiders.
@@taliabraverWait until you hear how the Chief Rabbinof Israel called you subhuman
@@jeremysmith9898 Israel on Campus Coalition (ICC) agents?
🇵🇸✅
Zionism 🤢
Inspiring to see kids this age trying to hold some kind of line. In these times, just saying "I disagree" takes a lot of courage.
If only all these people cared about America as much as they care about another country, America might not have collapsed.
Protest all you want, o.k.
Destroying property is a crime.
Israel has destroyed all of the universities in GAZA.
Stealing the students money and sending it to Isreal so they can get free education is a crime.
The ", o.k." was cringe.
Unless you're Israel. Then you're a hamas supporter if you oppose it.
Oh come on, stop clutching your pearls. Israel has destroyed so much property
Wow. This is insane! What kind of protest smashes windows and breaks furniture?!
The idiot ill mannered hypocrite self entitled brats..probably couldn't tell you who the first president of the US was..or where the Liberty bell is housed..who's Abraham Lincoln? What's slavery? Who's The Reverend Martin Luther King? I could go on and on..
BLM, ANTIFA, you know the type.
Mind controlled people
Why do we tolerate misbehaving children
Thank you God for these wise young people willing to stand for right. 🙌
We need to remove all public funds for Columbia University.
Especially Israel.
We need to remove all American taxpayer funds from Israel.
We need to remove American taxpayer funds from Israel and Ukraine.
They have a $13.6 Billion endowment. No more taxpayer subsidies for ignorance.
@@amitsunoko7270idiot response...hama's supporter response...usa has stood by Israel since 1960, research is free, uneducated is your Issue
Love how the law doesn’t protect the innocent against hatred
Well, the CommuRatz are the Party of Hate and destruction. It’s just that simple.
That's okay... UCLA just showed us that good Americans will step in when our system fails. 😅
You mean like always?
You realize that Jewish students are taken part of the protest
@@mreforme there's no such thing as a good American
Those two young Men should get a Free Scholarship to that college for doing the right thing, Well done GENTLEMEN ...... NOW As for those Junior ( Activists- ) they should LOSE THEIR PLACES at this School For their Threatening Behaviour / Stupidity and wilful destruction of the School Property. That little Girl Should Be charged with False Accusations and Assault On that Young Man as should that little BOY pushing his way around the Young Man with the glasses..... More I would like to say but I would do an Whole ESSAY on the stupidity and Thuggish behaviour of these SOON TO BE EX-Students ( with luck ) Their ( Activists- ) Behaviour needs to be PAID FOR...... Rant Over
impressed these two young men stood for righteousness. They felt they had to because the adults who are qualified to handle this situation (Columbia leadership for one, security for two , the Police if they are allowed to by these administrators and the Governor of NY for three, have abdicated their position to ruthless, ideological, godless, rioters
These two are the examples of courageous leaders this country desperately needs
Bravo to these brave students who cared more about the school than their own wellbeing. Thank you for making a stand against these terrorists.
And they are terrorists!
So you have a problem with a group of people illegally occuping land that belongs to someone else?
@@Ccc-ru7oe Like the Antiwar protests during Vietnam these with change anything except help remove a sitting President. Protests decades ago starting in 65, war didn't end until 73. In 2024 these will be over lot sooner with only accomplishment 100's of Students being expelled. That said I have no issues with Legal Protests, but when thousands in damages, people hurt, antisemitic assaults, nobody to blame but yourself
@@Ccc-ru7oeWhich land belongs to whom is illegally occupied? You can't have a legit argument if your entire agenda is based on lies.
No, legal protests are a problem. America has decayed because of stupidity like this.
their parents are so ashamed to have those violent children
Bless those young men! They have more coverage and integrity than all of those rioters combined.
It is encouraging to see YOUNG people stand up for what’s right and our country 🇺🇸
And at the same time disheartening to see so many *YOUNG* people tear down what is right in our country.
You must not be a Christian.
Yes, especially when they have no idea what they are protesting for, and refuse to allow logic to infiltrate their woke ideology!
@@sprinkleddonuts6094 exactly why this is so nice to see because it’s usually the opposite
@@sprinkleddonuts6094 The ""protestors" have been trained to do this. Team leaders shouting out instructions to lock arms. This is not spontaneous and organic. Go after the organizers.
That women needs to be arrested. She is usually at most protests.
Putin loves your comment.
Lol...I can see you do too!!😂
Your humility underscores the heroism of your stand against an unthinking mob. Bravo to you both.
protesting doesnt change anything, breaking things in another country only makes things worse....
Moving someone against their will is kidnapping. Press charges…
I'm probably completely on your side belief-wise, but that's not accurate. It's a lot more complex than that, this wouldn't amount to kidnapping (not even close), but definitely assault.
We have to remember not to paint all the students with the same brush, just the cowardly, face covered lunatics, who interfered with those who actually want to go to school to get an education. This group protesting and keeping others out of classes and dorms, due to their own hate, should be arrested, charged, expelled and those on student visa's, deported. This was a group standing for and perpetrating terrorism in their actions. Prayers for these two young men.
Yes. It's also important to recognize that many of the protestors are not students.
Thank god there are some students with common sense
BY THE WAY... Unlawfully Moving some one against their will by using force or fear is kidnapping and carries a sentence of up to life in prison in many states.
What about the Israeli hostages? Why isn't anyone protesting their captivity so they can go home to their families?!
Both sides are stupid and wrong
They don't care . brainwash
@@oldnoob1917 wrong
@@oldnoob1917anyone who supports hama's is delusional...usa has supported Israel since 1960
@@thisguy8373Fuck Israel…
Faces covered like cowards
Meanwhile 2 boys stand against them, without masks. Literally cowards vs anti-cowards.
sensible given the hostility towards their opinions.
@@watsonakanowt Airhead mob.
Those are just glasses
what is your full legal name?
Any group that behaves in this mob mentality doesn’t deserve any respect ……..entering this foray is insane……..I’m proud of these young men……news anchor is correct……..these people cannot be reasoned with….they are insane.
They said we are humas. Arrest everyone and send to Gaza.
Kids have become a bit dumb
I can’t stand the fact that these spoiled brats are blaming these Jewish students who have nothing to do with what’s going on a world away from
Most of us don't have anything to do with it either! How about we end foreign aid to Ukraine and Israel! How about we concentrate on our homelessness, joblessness, and our border problems? Many of our states could use those trillion dollar aid packages.
It’s crazy how you all just gobble up this obvious propaganda
I am sleeping farting Don I like to fart all over courtrooms after eating some good hamberders 🍔
Lol ..how gullible. As expected from someone who consumes fox news
they are not. they blame university investments/endowments to/from Israel and corporations that operate and make profits from the Israeli occupation that the universities work with. columbia specifically has plans to open a sister location in israel which is itself a major investment. young zionist like these guys just feel their privilege is being violated when a country they have been conditioned to believe has their best interest at heart is being rightly criticized for war crimes and students decide to do more than just call their congress person who is most likely also being lobbied by aipac.
hope this clears some things up
This is BLM part 2.
We need more brave and sane young people like these two students
Yes the same anarchist known as Antifa while changing outfits and adding a tablecloth.
YEP. THIS IS ALL BARRY SOTORRO. LOCKUP THOSE TWO FREAKS ON MARTHA'S VINEYARD & THIS SH*T WILL STOP!🤬
If this is part 2 ask yourself how part 1 ended to see how part 2 will end
No these are people protesting a genocide.
@@timothyburke6949 More like both sides are unconsciously supporting one
If this was a different crowd every person there would already be in custody anyone who bought a piece of plywood or a tent and brought it there would also be in custody, what a travisty.
Students wasting their parents money on protesting instead of studying
Tax payers money for most of them
The void of leadership in this country has welcomed this, wars, open borders, high prices at the pump, higher grocery bills, higher insurance premiums, higher taxes, out of control government overreach, failures across the board in geopolitical relations and the list of failures continues to grow daily.
Someone needs to Hire those two immediately
These two boys deserve a good job upon graduating. Good for America.
This kind of courage inspires me to take a stand against the evil in our country. God bless these men and their courage.
This is what happens when the University President and professors put up with crap at the very beginning. It should have been shut down immediately and civil discourse should have been the protesters only option. The sane students had to go in because the police were not allowed to.
Way too many lgbtqpia+ nuts in education from elementary to college. Can anyone name a female college professor who doesn't munch carpet?
Those are not students but criminals
Yes, and a lot of them are getting paid and they're not from the University.It's them that the professors have poisoned Students
This is what happens when you allow people to constantly wear masks in public for NO REASON!
Good for these two students, I’m very proud of you.
those delinquents are the professionals and future leaders of this country?
Both of them have balls of steel. Hebrew on his shirt says Columbia. Respect.
thanks for translating. I was wondering.
Keep gobbling up that propaganda, 🐑
Respect
America 1st , let Isreali American Billionaires like Steve Cohen make a super pack and Fund their "Poor Helpless Country "
Where's his tiny hat?
I'm so sick of this! I was in ottawa with the truckers in Canada. It was the most peaceful protest ever! We kept an emergency lane open, fed the homeless, cleaned up after ourselves etc...we got our banks frozen and trampled on by horses! What a gong show.
Make sure you're keeping a journal, a paper one, so history in the future can at least have some primary sources that will contradict the historical narrative
Trudeau is a dictator
Canadians who voted for Justin Castro and his commies are regretting it now..
And What Did You Accomplish ??? This is just Like Jan6th freedom of Expression….
Canada isn't funding a genocide... America is. My country. With our money
Healthy looking, well brought up young gents. Not dirty looking like the protesters
intelligent as well ---obviously not DEI students
You two young men were so grave to stand against the mob . God bless you ❤️
Why these cowards hiding their faces
Because unlike the zionist, they have something to fear
They are Pantifa supporters.
You said it right there they are worthless cowards. 👍
That's what they do terrorists hide their face for ahem "security purposes" I mean look what they're doing to their college... Hey from the river to the sea I just took a great pea-Me 4am 10 minutes ago
Troll go back in your Hole
Shame on the cowardly board of Trustee that have no guts to stand up to these punk protesters!
Real Heroes and warriors, only these students felt the pain of palestinians, salute for the humanity
"What? There is a genocide in Gaza! How can any human being be ok with what is going on? I’m Jewish and I’ve never felt more ashamed of what Israel is doing!" - Ana
You sound like you’ve just woken up the world events. Do you really believe genocide is happening in Gaza. Personally I don’t
I can tell you places where it is
They want the building then let them have the building. But … prevent them from leaving. Nothing and no one allowed within a 200 foot perimeter. Turn off electricity. They will eventually run out of food and drink. They’ll be begging to come out within 2 weeks. Once they are allowed to leave, hand them a bill for property damage and expel them. 🤷🏽♀️
Try it.
Biden can do that for Trump supporters, they don't seem very smart anyway
They'll just order Door Dash.
@@ericsuarez834 Try it
Called false imprisonment; you're not smart.
Way to go guys, refreshing to see that young men still have guts and stand for what Is right. I I were a younger man I would go to NY TO HELP THESE YOUNG MEN. Yet maybe I should come with other older vets and help take a stance for our GREAT COUNTRY. Many gave their lives to keep this country free, and maybe time for me to stand for them.
YEAH 🎉🎉🎉
AT LAST ........
THE 🇺🇲 USA IS WAKING UP ! ! !
GET RID OF THAT "BLACK MAMBA" SITTING IN YOUR 🇺🇲 "WHITE HOUSE" BASEMENT AND ALL THIS RIOTING SHALL S-T-O-P ......
WITHIN SECONDS ! ! !
DAV here. I will never go back to NYC, where smokes are 20 bucks a pack, and Times Square smells like urine/cannabis/and rats... worse in the summer with all the fermenting garbage and swill. PU.
Gotta love these boys. I’ve got two sons this age and they are living counter to today’s culture too-all thanks to God. Many thanks to these young men for standing for truth!
Praise God.
Colombia University is 28% "White"....23% of those "White" students are actually Jewish yet the demographics show them as "White". The demographics are similar at Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Penn, Stanford etc. White American gentile (Irish, German, Italian) are a minority at these schools and their numbers are similar to black students. This is skewed because the Jewish atudents are assuming a white identity for demographics only White, Black, Hispanic, Asian are the racial categories but the jewish students are mixed in with the "White" race. Thats why now you are seeing the reality that these universities student bodies are heavily Jewish and not "White gentile American" I am black American and thought this was insightful.
Disgusting destroying property....
Their behaviour is an embarrassment 😢
Keep promoting anarchy and the nation shall fall
It has been falling, it’s just at a alarming rate now
Let them go to Palestine and fight the war then rather than milking USA dry with this protests! I stand with Israel!
Peaceful protestors?
I admire these two guys for standing against the violent protestors.
May God save America from these hateful people.
Only two brave boys for entire campus? God bless you, real men! You are honest and decent people, so you don't have to hide your faces. You are an American Pride! Thank you!
You have to be a robot
It's the professors of the left
Those two are NOT boys. They are fine young MEN.
Hope they get into a better college and take their money with them.
Lol, they wear the curse of God. So do you.
Rory and Charles, excellently done both of you. Your bravery and courage in standing up for your beliefs and for the minority is amazing. The world needs more people like you.
Well said ❤
When genocide is your belief, you should expect to be treated like a mass murderer
Don't touch dead things, and don't let dead things touch you!
These two men are the only ones who deserve graduating.
I love seeing that there are still good people willing to stand up for the right thing. Well done guys much love and respect
2 real Americans standing up for what is right atleast
The mob is led by Antifa, insane homosexuals based in Portland OR. These heroes put themselves in very real danger.
Those protestors feel they are right also. But they should be protesting against Iran.
2 JEWISH PEOPLE 😂
Two clowns looking to provoke camera rolling and failed 😊
@@byronjordan6882misguided and propagandised,lost their way,purpose and priorities 😢
So everyone in this country is innocent until proven guilty.... except donald trump and can't even let him go to a graduation
Bravo to the young men that spoke out! We appreciate you!
Protect Rory and Charles!!! Dignified and class act kids! As opposed to the tacky angry mob. See the huge difference!
I completely agree - just like the good men and women that protected the Capitol Building in Washington in January 2021.
They make every mother proud. Unlike the bleeting sheep.
Their parents should be very proud. The rioters parents should be so fkn ashamed of what they spawned.
@@ua697 Ray Epps is wondering if you are coming to dinner tonight.
Who is protesting?
I was 23 yo when I graduated from medical school. I didn't go to my high school or college graduations. I couldn't care less about "graduations". As if graduating from kindergarten, high school, or college is such a big accomplishment? Just look to your left and right and take a look at who else is there graduating. It's not such a big deal. What really matters is what we DO in this world.
Great job guys - if there was a real President in office, you'd likely get a medal.
IF!
We have a Clean Election.
We might just see that!
Stay safe Gentlemen!
There are more of us than them. Time the good people take back OUR country.
🎯
FKN💔🐶🐾💔
We have A real PRESIDENT! WTH!
October 6 no one was wearing masks now they all have masks on
Imagine being a student in those schools knowing you paid thousands of dollars and got in debt for this, no proper classes, no graduation ceremony or parties. I would want my money back.
If we had a real president this would never happen
Looks like you have forgotten about all the riots under dear old tronald. You the supposed law and order crowd are the furthest thing from being law abiding as anyone can be. You back the blue only when you were breaking the law and not getting busted for it.
For sure Biden unfroze $6 billion dollars of Iranian assets in exchange for 6 American hostages in Iran.That money was held in Quatar where leaders of hammmass are and the money was supposed to be for charity but it went to UNRWA who participated in the at tack of oct 7 and Iran paid Hezbollah.Thanx Biden
name the president that didnt face riots or ridicule since 1776
you want a president that would not allow protest? like fascism?
@@MultiHardcore Not a protest; but anarchy.
Respect to both of those young man !!!!! You guys are leaders not followers!!!! Be BLESSED FOREVER!!!!! 💪🏽💪🏼💪🏽💪🏼💪🏽✝️✡️✝️✡️✝️✡️✡️✡️✝️✡️✝️✡️✝️
The board of trustees Should have shut this down as soon as it started!! Perhaps it would not have gone this far! I feel bad for the students who are graduating, and all of the work they have done to earn their education, to be held up for this hateful behavior!!