Fun Fact: You mentioned Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme as quarterbacks who played in NFL Europe. They’re the only two original free agents to start at quarterback in a Super Bowl.
@@dnasty312 Safety blitzes on the QB during preseason games doesn't sound very likely, but if Rodney Harrison was responsible for Trent Green tearing his ACL, then yea I guess that would technically be correct
Had Barnes played, he might have stayed through 2000. Consider that Gannon left after the 1998 season for Oakland. The backups for Elvis Grbac in 1999 and 2000 were second-string QB Warren Moon and third-string QB Todd Collins. Carl would have only gone after one of those two veterans if Barnes had followed the Chiefs orders to go to NFL Europe and play.
Pat Barnes was a backup quarterback with the Calgary Stampeders in 2001, and won a Grey Cup ring despite seeing almost no action. He moved on to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in 2002 and again saw limited action over the next two years, but was given the starting assignment in the last game of the 2003 season because starter Khari Jones had a high-ankle sprain and hadn't practiced in two weeks. On the third play of the game, Barnes threw his first pass, which was intercepted and returned for a touchdown. Barnes suffered a serious, and career-ending knee injury on the play. Jones was forced to come off the sidelines, and in an incredibly gutsy performance, produced over 440 yards of offense in leading the Blue Bombers to a 34-30 win over the eventual Grey Cup champion Edmonton Eskimos.
Khari and two other football players were my roommates the last two years of college. We pretty much played season after season of Tecmo Bowl. Lots of shit talking. He was a pretty good basketball player too. Thanks for your post.
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In the pre-Andy Reid Era, the Chiefs usually went the veteran QB route via trade or free agency to solve their starting QB search, which came in the form of Steve Deberg, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Rich Gannon, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, and Matt Cassel.
@@DolFan316 So, during People’s Sexiest Man Alive issue in I think 1998, they did a section for Sexiest athlete. During the editorial meeting to decide who it would be, someone mentioned that KCs QB was very good looking. So without knowing the name of the QB, they ran with it. There was only one problem: The QB the person was thinking of was Rich Gannon who had been playing while Grbac was hurt. But since they didn’t know his name, they just told KC that their QB was chosen sexiest athlete. So KC sent Grbac to do the feature. People magazine realized their mistake once they saw Grbac. But they decided to run with it anyway. Which is the story of how Elvis Grbac was once named Sexiest Athlete Alive. It was a total mistake, but they went along with it
This Is The Second Video Of The Kansas City Chiefs Jg9 Did This Year The First One Was The Car Wash Incident The Second One Is This One The Chiefs QUARTERBACK Who Refused To Play.
Several things - That 1997 NFL Draft at QB had 3 QBs that Bill Walsh was asked to look at by the San Francisco 49ers. He looked at Jake Plummer , Jim Drunkenmiller and Pat Barnes. Of all 3 he recommended Plummer , but said Barnes was the next one he'd take if he was gone. The 49ers missed so massively they disregarded Walsh's recommendation and drafted Drunkenmiller. KC after the Todd Blackledge failure would not draft a 1st rd QB in the 1st rd until Pat Mahomes. Their biggest QB bust after it was likely 2 other QB's in that span. A 2nd rd pick on Matt "Werewolves of" Blundin in 1991 or 1992. Then in 2000s they drafted Brodie Croyle in the 3rd rd. KC came close to drafting 2 QBs in that span in the 1st rd before Mahomes. In the 2007 draft KC was looking possibly at drafting QBs in the 1st rd ...had they fallen to them. One was Brady Quinn (they later signed him and he sucked) and Matt Ryan (if Atlanta didn't draft him as expected) . But the Chiefs would go on to keep that over 30 year streak of no 1st rd QBs going. But in all this I'd say Blundin was the Chiefs biggest QB bust after Blackledge. He was drafted high in the 2nd rd and at that point KC had Steve DeBerg or Dave Krieg as a starter.
This is a much needed lesson for EVERYONE ... when your boss/employer tells you, asks you, or "strongly suggests" that you perform certain duties ,or accept a particular "career broadening" assignment, YOU DO IT -- WITHOUT "PUSH-BACK" or WHINING -- UNLESS you are being asked to do something illegal or immoral !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's as simple as that.
He was decent qb. In NFL Europe. In hindsight the 97 qb draft class was weak. Would the Chiefs won a playoff game in the 90s had they played Rich Gannon instead Bono/Grbac?
It wasn't hindsight. Jim Dru(n)kenmiller was the first QB taken...at 26. He was seen as a project player who the 49ers took because he was big. Jake Plummer was seen as a player who could be good but nobody at the time was getting all hot n' bothered over guys like Danny Wuerffel, Tony Graziani, Koy Detmer, etc. That's why Plummer was the only other QB in that draft to be taken before the 4th round.
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Tell me I'm wrong Mr. History but I vividly remember Pat Barnes playing in a preseason game in Japan of all places! Check it out my friend and tell me what you find. Super interested what you find.
Barnes forgot that he needed reps. People such as Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Adam Vinatieri, James Harrison and others wouldn't be the stars they became without getting reps in NFL Europe. The Chiefs had Barnes sent there for a reason. No wonder he didn't make it to the Chiefs' final cuts.
Tony Gonzalez is the best tight end ever. Gronk had Brady his whole career. Imagine Tony with a Brady type of QB. He never even came close to having that type of QB ever.
@@deadend1041 That's modern day RUclips for you. The best channels have the least amount of subs because the platform itself has been designed specifically to screw over all independent content creators.
Imagine if Tony played today. He was all time great tight end and he never really had a great quarterback yes I know Joe Montana was a chief but he was at the end of his career, imagine as great as Tony was with various quarterbacks throughout his career if he played in the Pat Maholmes era. Heck imagine the scary combo of two great tight ends in Gonzalez and Kelsi. Chiefs might been unstoppable in that scenario. On to this story it’s hard to believe a player would refuse to play. Incredible story and good video
"He was sitting around every Sunday with nothing to do." Maybe that was the problem. Believe it or not being on an NFL roster is a full time job, whether you're playing or not. If you're not working to be the best you can be or to improve, you're going to be quickly replaced.
Somehow I missed the focus of this clip. Not sure how I arrived at this assumption, but I thought he refused to enter a game when called upon. So, this was a letdown (of my own accord).
Kansas City offense in the 1990s: Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Martyball. They were better off with the defense on the field. Not really hard to pick up that offense. KC -- after the Blackledge debacle -- never picked a QB high in the draft until Mahomes. Barnes was never meant to be a starter. KC's "five year plan(s)" under King Carl were for proven retreads castaway from other teams (mainly SF, oh, the irony).
Believe it or not there was another KC QB that refused to play..and that was the last regular season game of 1996, with a playoff spot on the line!!! and because this KC QB refused to play KC LOST and missed the playoffs!
1984, Raiders and Bears are killing each other, knocking Starters Marc Wilson and Jim McMahon out of the game. At one point the Raiders were out of Quarterbacks and Tom Flores asked HOF Punter Ray Guy to go in at QB. Guy said no.
I don't think anyone cried over Marc except maybe his mom! Al Davis really liked tall QBs for some reason. Even when they had few other redeeming values.
I was hoping this video would have been 6 years ago vs. 6 days ago because Tony Gonzalez not only is NOT the best tight end ever, he's not even the best tight end to ever be a KC Chief.
Gonzo is the GOAT TE, otherwise the best WR in NFL history is Flipper Anderson, the guy with the most receiving yards in a game in NFL history. Sure his peak was short, but its the highest ever. Thats basically the Gronk argument. Also, there are multiple QBs with higher peaks than Brady, so the same people arguing for Gronk are undermining Brady.
Gronk had the huge advantage of playing with Tom Brady, so it is hard to evaluate exactly how good he’d be otherwise (probably very good but not likely to match the magic connection he had with Brady).
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Fun Fact: You mentioned Kurt Warner and Jake Delhomme as quarterbacks who played in NFL Europe. They’re the only two original free agents to start at quarterback in a Super Bowl.
Kurt Warner owed it all to Trent Green tearing his ACL in preseason
@@bigglilwayne7050or is it Rodney Harrison?
@@dnasty312
Safety blitzes on the QB during preseason games doesn't sound very likely, but if Rodney Harrison was responsible for Trent Green tearing his ACL, then yea I guess that would technically be correct
@@dnasty312rodney
Original free agents? You mean undrafted?
Had Barnes played, he might have stayed through 2000. Consider that Gannon left after the 1998 season for Oakland. The backups for Elvis Grbac in 1999 and 2000 were second-string QB Warren Moon and third-string QB Todd Collins. Carl would have only gone after one of those two veterans if Barnes had followed the Chiefs orders to go to NFL Europe and play.
Travis Kelce is the greatest TE.
Aaron Hernandez was better
TG was great, but he wasn't even the best Chiefs TE of all time
His decision not to go to Europe was worse than if he did decide to go and spike the ball on every single play 😁👍
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I don't know about that. He has a good channel but it's other better ones out there
Pat Barnes was a backup quarterback with the Calgary Stampeders in 2001, and won a Grey Cup ring despite seeing almost no action. He moved on to the Winnipeg Blue Bombers in 2002 and again saw limited action over the next two years, but was given the starting assignment in the last game of the 2003 season because starter Khari Jones had a high-ankle sprain and hadn't practiced in two weeks. On the third play of the game, Barnes threw his first pass, which was intercepted and returned for a touchdown. Barnes suffered a serious, and career-ending knee injury on the play. Jones was forced to come off the sidelines, and in an incredibly gutsy performance, produced over 440 yards of offense in leading the Blue Bombers to a 34-30 win over the eventual Grey Cup champion Edmonton Eskimos.
What a legacy. 😂
Khari and two other football players were my roommates the last two years of college. We pretty much played season after season of Tecmo Bowl. Lots of shit talking. He was a pretty good basketball player too. Thanks for your post.
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@@OddballtechJesus is awesome.
I would not want to play for Gregg either!
2:57 that is Cal coach Steve Mariucci in the Hawaiian shirt.
In the pre-Andy Reid Era, the Chiefs usually went the veteran QB route via trade or free agency to solve their starting QB search, which came in the form of Steve Deberg, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Rich Gannon, Elvis Grbac, Trent Green, and Matt Cassel.
Also kind of like the Vikings in the post-Tommy Kramer, pre-Daunte Culpeper era.
To be fair, it would be hard for any QB to follow People Magazine Sexiest Athlete Elvis Grbac…
Haha, was he really??? That's crazy if true.
@@DolFan316do you know that story?? 🙊
@@dnasty312 Nope. Do you? I'd actually love to know now.
@@DolFan316 So, during People’s Sexiest Man Alive issue in I think 1998, they did a section for Sexiest athlete. During the editorial meeting to decide who it would be, someone mentioned that KCs QB was very good looking. So without knowing the name of the QB, they ran with it.
There was only one problem: The QB the person was thinking of was Rich Gannon who had been playing while Grbac was hurt. But since they didn’t know his name, they just told KC that their QB was chosen sexiest athlete. So KC sent Grbac to do the feature. People magazine realized their mistake once they saw Grbac. But they decided to run with it anyway.
Which is the story of how Elvis Grbac was once named Sexiest Athlete Alive. It was a total mistake, but they went along with it
LOL I had never heard this story. I just looked, it is indeed correct. That is hilarious!!
This Is The Second Video Of The Kansas City Chiefs Jg9 Did This Year The First One Was The Car Wash Incident The Second One Is This One The Chiefs QUARTERBACK Who Refused To Play.
Several things - That 1997 NFL Draft at QB had 3 QBs that Bill Walsh was asked to look at by the San Francisco 49ers. He looked at Jake Plummer , Jim Drunkenmiller and Pat Barnes. Of all 3 he recommended Plummer , but said Barnes was the next one he'd take if he was gone. The 49ers missed so massively they disregarded Walsh's recommendation and drafted Drunkenmiller.
KC after the Todd Blackledge failure would not draft a 1st rd QB in the 1st rd until Pat Mahomes. Their biggest QB bust after it was likely 2 other QB's in that span. A 2nd rd pick on Matt "Werewolves of" Blundin in 1991 or 1992. Then in 2000s they drafted Brodie Croyle in the 3rd rd.
KC came close to drafting 2 QBs in that span in the 1st rd before Mahomes. In the 2007 draft KC was looking possibly at drafting QBs in the 1st rd ...had they fallen to them. One was Brady Quinn (they later signed him and he sucked) and Matt Ryan (if Atlanta didn't draft him as expected) . But the Chiefs would go on to keep that over 30 year streak of no 1st rd QBs going.
But in all this I'd say Blundin was the Chiefs biggest QB bust after Blackledge. He was drafted high in the 2nd rd and at that point KC had Steve DeBerg or Dave Krieg as a starter.
Liked because I thought Werewolves of Blundin was clever.
@@DolFan316 As much as I'd love to take credit for it. Its a Chris Berman line. I believe he said it during the draft once or twice.
@@Ecwfan Giving proper credit just made me like this comment too 🙂
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Thanks! Much appreciated
Don't put me in coach, I don't wanna play.
Don't put me in coach
I don't wanna play, today
Don't put me in coach
I don't wanna play, today
Look at me, I can be in the locker room.
This is a much needed lesson for EVERYONE ... when your boss/employer tells you, asks you, or "strongly suggests" that you perform certain duties ,or accept a particular "career broadening" assignment, YOU DO IT -- WITHOUT "PUSH-BACK" or WHINING -- UNLESS you are being asked to do something illegal or immoral !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's as simple as that.
As always very interesting TY
He was decent qb. In NFL Europe. In hindsight the 97 qb draft class was weak.
Would the Chiefs won a playoff game in the 90s had they played Rich Gannon instead Bono/Grbac?
It wasn't hindsight. Jim Dru(n)kenmiller was the first QB taken...at 26. He was seen as a project player who the 49ers took because he was big. Jake Plummer was seen as a player who could be good but nobody at the time was getting all hot n' bothered over guys like Danny Wuerffel, Tony Graziani, Koy Detmer, etc. That's why Plummer was the only other QB in that draft to be taken before the 4th round.
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@@DolFan316Back in the day I thought Plummer was..... Ok. But he's otherworldly compared to the shyte QBs drafted elsewhere in the 97 draft.
Good footage. Homage to the return. Too bad we can’t import draft classes.
Tell me I'm wrong Mr. History but I vividly remember Pat Barnes playing in a preseason game in Japan of all places! Check it out my friend and tell me what you find. Super interested what you find.
Barnes forgot that he needed reps. People such as Kurt Warner, Jake Delhomme, Adam Vinatieri, James Harrison and others wouldn't be the stars they became without getting reps in NFL Europe. The Chiefs had Barnes sent there for a reason. No wonder he didn't make it to the Chiefs' final cuts.
Tony Gonzalez is the best tight end ever. Gronk had Brady his whole career. Imagine Tony with a Brady type of QB. He never even came close to having that type of QB ever.
The difference is Gronk was a terrific blocker as well.
@@SouthernGreyShark I will give you that, Gronk was a much better blocker. But pass catcher goes to Tony all day.
59.1k subscribers! Cmon people, help this man reach 60K!!
He should be in the millions are you kidding
@@deadend1041 That's modern day RUclips for you. The best channels have the least amount of subs because the platform itself has been designed specifically to screw over all independent content creators.
W for all those chiefs mini-helmets up there in the background, even though you’re a jags fan
Thanks! Got the helmets up for any team we talk about
Well I can see jg9 is going to do another video about a Kansas City chiefs player because of the chiefs‘helmets behind him! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Imagine if Tony played today. He was all time great tight end and he never really had a great quarterback yes I know Joe Montana was a chief but he was at the end of his career, imagine as great as Tony was with various quarterbacks throughout his career if he played in the Pat Maholmes era. Heck imagine the scary combo of two great tight ends in Gonzalez and Kelsi. Chiefs might been unstoppable in that scenario. On to this story it’s hard to believe a player would refuse to play. Incredible story and good video
Patrick and Kelce are locked in with one another, not sure they would have had the same chemistry but I would have liked their chances.
This guy sounds like the exact opposite of Alan Iverson.
You talking about practice?!
Missed opportunities always appear clearer in rearview mirror than in a windshield.
Bubby Brister once refused to go in a game when Chuck Noll asked him too.
Great vid man! Subbed!
Thanks!
Yet another story of an uber talented kid blowing it all for nothing
He wasn’t that talented. He was a fourth round pick and did not have outstanding scouting reports coming out of college
@@HangingOnACarousel Oh im sorry which round were you drafted in?
"He was sitting around every Sunday with nothing to do." Maybe that was the problem. Believe it or not being on an NFL roster is a full time job, whether you're playing or not. If you're not working to be the best you can be or to improve, you're going to be quickly replaced.
Boy, those stories about the KC Chiefs are simply coming out rather fast these days. 😅
Tony Gonzalez also would’ve been a first round NBA pick if he went that route
Is that Mac Jones in the thumbnail? 😂
When the coach tells you to play, you play.
Talk about Christian hackenburge a jets qb that never played at all
Travis Kelce is the best TE ever. He's eclipsed Gonzalez and Gronk.
The Chiefs may not have been good at drafting quarterbacks prior to drafting Mahomes but they were good at getting quarterbacks from the 49ers.
Somehow I missed the focus of this clip. Not sure how I arrived at this assumption, but I thought he refused to enter a game when called upon. So, this was a letdown (of my own accord).
Kansas City offense in the 1990s: Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Martyball.
They were better off with the defense on the field.
Not really hard to pick up that offense.
KC -- after the Blackledge debacle -- never picked a QB high in the draft until Mahomes. Barnes was never meant to be a starter. KC's "five year plan(s)" under King Carl were for proven retreads castaway from other teams (mainly SF, oh, the irony).
Believe it or not there was another KC QB that refused to play..and that was the last regular season game of 1996, with a playoff spot on the line!!!
and because this KC QB refused to play KC LOST and missed the playoffs!
1984, Raiders and Bears are killing each other, knocking Starters Marc Wilson and Jim McMahon out of the game. At one point the Raiders were out of Quarterbacks and Tom Flores asked HOF Punter Ray Guy to go in at QB. Guy said no.
I don't think anyone cried over Marc except maybe his mom! Al Davis really liked tall QBs for some reason. Even when they had few other redeeming values.
@@ryanjacobson2508Marc Wilson was miscast as a Raider. He would have been half decent in Seattle or Denver.
He the orginal Mac Jones. In fact he looks just like Mac Jones.
Urggg. Jimmy Raye. Curses. Another one of those E.E. Smith Golden Bulls. Let’s get some Harry Sydney love
Are you Jimmy Raye? Who wants to know, who wants to know?
(You had to be there, folks.)
@@DolFan316 lol
I was hoping this video would have been 6 years ago vs. 6 days ago because Tony Gonzalez not only is NOT the best tight end ever, he's not even the best tight end to ever be a KC Chief.
Gonzo is the GOAT TE, otherwise the best WR in NFL history is Flipper Anderson, the guy with the most receiving yards in a game in NFL history. Sure his peak was short, but its the highest ever. Thats basically the Gronk argument. Also, there are multiple QBs with higher peaks than Brady, so the same people arguing for Gronk are undermining Brady.
Who is #44 for Cal in this video?
Tony Gonzalez
Shannon Sharpe. Best TE Ever
Kelce has passed Gonzalez
Shannon Sharp is the best tight end. Ask the Baltimore Ravens
Its not close Gronk was just a different man ...
Gronk had the huge advantage of playing with Tom Brady, so it is hard to evaluate exactly how good he’d be otherwise (probably very good but not likely to match the magic connection he had with Brady).
In this video you talked in circles you literally said the same thing at least five times I'm just saying. It's annoying
Yeah idk why I occasionally watch his videos. His voice and his scripts and his critiques are annoying as fuck.
We can see from your room/top shelf how impartial you are
I literally have helmets and autographed jerseys for every single team in the NFL that I swap out in each video based on who I’m talking about
This is right about the time I dialed out of watching football. I wanted to watch the national football league I have no interest in watching the international football league. I have no interest in watching football that is also marketed to my wife. I would watch football if it was a program marketed to me, and for me, as it was in the 60s 70s and 80s. The game died in the mid-nineties and it will never achieve the heights it had again
Maybe Barnes was xenophobic or an isolationist.
Nah, he was just a woke Cal hippie dudebro who probably thought the whole idea of keeping score was bigoted somehow.
who
Tony Gonzalez also would’ve been a first round NBA pick if he went that route