I had some familiarity with the names of the 1995 Cincy receiving corps due to owning a computer game called "Ultimate Football 95". Dunn was one of them, but after hearing this story, it sounds like he should have traded names with his 1995 Bengals teammate and fellow receiver, Tom Waddle...
I think Carl Pickens and Darnay Scott could have been one of the top receiver duos in the league with a competent quarterback. Jeff Blake had zero accuracy. He could lob the moon ball and get lucky once in awhile, but that's about it.
@@ckobo84 I checked to see if this was actually true and...it was! I remember that Cowboys game, thinking it might be one of those "a star is born!" moments, but Blake had only one full season with a completion percentage above 60%. At least he passed for way more yards than the Bengals' 6th overall pick David Klingler from the same '92 draft.
Bruce Coslet: **momentarily stops coloring in his playbook** David, we'd like you to lose weight David Dunn: I play for Little Debbie's team now, old man.
This is very similar to what happened at AC Milan with the original Ronaldo in 2007-08. Ronaldo was signed by Milan in January 2007 after having struggled to get playing time at Real Madrid the previous 2 seasons due to injuries & weight issues & in the eyes of many this was Ronaldo's last chance to get playing time at a top European club. Coach Carlo Ancelotti ordered Ronaldo to simply keep his weight under control & not go out partying. This seemed to pay off as in his second game with the club, Ronaldo scored twice & got an assist in a 4-3 win & would score five more times that season. I should point out that even though Milan won that season's Champions League, Ronaldo did not play in any of those matches due to being cup tied. However heading into the 2007/08 season Ronaldo fell hard back into old habits (like partying & drinking) & arrived at preseason training camp 30 pounds overweight. Ancelotti was livid about this & told Ronaldo he would be benched until he lost 10 pounds. This was too low of a bar as his weight issues were a contributing factor in Ronaldo getting injured in February 2008 where he ruptured his kneecap. The injury basically ended Ronaldo's career in Europe as Milan released him at the end of the season & he would end his career back home in Brazil with Corinthians.
If you're job entails running very fast, and you can't lose twenty pounds, with a whole team of nutritionists and strength coaches behind you, you just don't have any willpower. He didn't even have enough try in him to cut weight the day before he was weighed, which would have at least shown he was trying a little bit. Considering he probably got hit in the head a thousand times before this happened, one wonders if his decision making wasn't compromised.
Man this guys highlights are very good. Very good after the catch and had some wheels for a bigger player. It’s a shame he couldn’t keep the weight off.
And this was totally the last bad, embarrassing thing that happened to the Bengals in the '90s. Absolutely nothing bad happened to them in 1999. I don't know why you all keep talking about this Akili Smith guy or this declined Saints mega-trade. Clearly all of that is a figment of your imagination and it all definitely never happened.
And made a mockery of the idea that the NFL "drug tests". Unless the tests are performed totally at random, it's very easy to take drugs in a way that allows you to beat the tests.... I'm guessing that the players knew what these times were well in advance, so that they would avoid taking drugs beforehand.
About the BMI comparison, the only wide receivers listed by Stathead as having a BMI over 30 and a height of 6'0" or taller (excluding running backs and tight ends who lined up at receiver (or switched positions) or predate the official separation of wide receivers and tight ends from the general "end" position) are David Boston (who infamously used steroids) and Joe Reed (a wide receiver who was almost exclusively used on jet sweeps in his brief career with the 2020 Chargers). So the closest wide receivers to him (by height and weight) are a steroid abuser and a glorified running back.
I agree that BMI is flawed. I'm a tad under 6'2", and according to one hospital bmi index card, my ideal weight was in the 170s. I'm usually 205 or 210 at 46 yo. Been between 200 and 220 my whole adult life, fairly athletic, never really been "out of shape." If you eat decent, stay active, work up a sweat at least sometimes, don't smoke or drug or drink much, you don't have to look like a starving 19 yo model. You might be just fine.
Yeah, BMI thinks everybody should stay at the same weight they were in 8th grade their entire adult lives or they're "obese". Especially absurd considering the movement to force us all to consider women who are 50-100 pounds overweight or more "sexy".
@@LegendaryDorkKnight Can you prove that? Because the video doesn’t give any information on what he was or wasn’t doing. For some people, professional athletes included, it is easy to gain weight. Yet extremely difficult to lose it. No matter what you do. That’s why we have a billion dollar weight loss industry.
Ah, the Bungles era of Cincinnati (91-drafting Joe Burrow), always a source of amusement; though not to the degree of bashing the Jets. To be fair, Marvin Lewis did have playoff appearances; but no wins.
If I had to guess, the coaching and training staff probably thought switching him to TE was "enabling" him, and were worried it would start a slippery slope regarding his weight. After all, he had weight problems in the past and always managed to bring it down before. Given his history, it was probably all or nothing.
All Dunn had to do was stay in decent shape and he would have a secure spot in Cincinnati. They gave him chance after chance. He thought it was a game and he messed around and found out.
At 12:12 you mentioned James Francis while showing highlights of a Bengals game against the Cowboys. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cowboys almost drafted Francis instead of Emmitt Smith in 1990.
Not to mention all the players who get arrested in the month or so of free time they have between OTAs and minicamp. And now the NFLPA wants to eliminate OTAs altogether, meaning players would have a whopping four months of free time to commit crimes.
6'3 240 isnt fat, I'm sorry. He probably isn't in football shape. Remember David Boston got to ripped to play wide receiver. football shape is different from being over weight. linemen always come in over weight also this happens all the time. We also dont know if Dunn was hitting the weights either.
I think the 1998 Bengals were fat and stupid, which is sad to me since they showed signs of life (as Jaguargator pointed out, especially on offense) during the 1995-1997 seasons.
Addictions have that kind of power. I can promise you a hardcore drug addict if offered a million dollars if they stopped using for a week would have an extremely difficult time. It's a sad story.
If you think 240 pounds is like the Family Guy episode where Peter has his own gravitational pull, I'd hate to think what you think of an actual fat person. It's certainly not good shape for a pro athlete to be in, but come on. You make him sound like Haystacks Calhoun.
CUTTING WEIGHT IS EXTREMELY UNHEALTHY ! YOU SHOULD BE YOUR NATURAL, HEALTHY, ATHLETIC WEIGHT ! HOWEVER, MANY PRO ATHLETES LET THEMSELVES GO IN THE OFFSEASON. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROBLEM IF HE WAS 240 BECAUSE HE HAS 25 MORE POUNDS OF MUSCLE THAN AMY OTHER PLAYER AT THE SAME POSITION AND HEIGHT, WITH NO NEGATIVE ASPECTS TO THAT WEIGHT. THIS SEEMS TO NO HAVE BEEN THE CASE.
Coslett was fed up,Dunn was well fed.
The bengals were bunglers in those days! 😮😮😮😮
I had some familiarity with the names of the 1995 Cincy receiving corps due to owning a computer game called "Ultimate Football 95". Dunn was one of them, but after hearing this story, it sounds like he should have traded names with his 1995 Bengals teammate and fellow receiver, Tom Waddle...
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When Jeff Blake started and lit up the Cowboys with Carl Pickens, we thought the Bengals were back .
I think Carl Pickens and Darnay Scott could have been one of the top receiver duos in the league with a competent quarterback. Jeff Blake had zero accuracy. He could lob the moon ball and get lucky once in awhile, but that's about it.
@@ckobo84 I checked to see if this was actually true and...it was! I remember that Cowboys game, thinking it might be one of those "a star is born!" moments, but Blake had only one full season with a completion percentage above 60%. At least he passed for way more yards than the Bengals' 6th overall pick David Klingler from the same '92 draft.
Bruce Coslet: **momentarily stops coloring in his playbook** David, we'd like you to lose weight
David Dunn: I play for Little Debbie's team now, old man.
This is very similar to what happened at AC Milan with the original Ronaldo in 2007-08. Ronaldo was signed by Milan in January 2007 after having struggled to get playing time at Real Madrid the previous 2 seasons due to injuries & weight issues & in the eyes of many this was Ronaldo's last chance to get playing time at a top European club. Coach Carlo Ancelotti ordered Ronaldo to simply keep his weight under control & not go out partying. This seemed to pay off as in his second game with the club, Ronaldo scored twice & got an assist in a 4-3 win & would score five more times that season. I should point out that even though Milan won that season's Champions League, Ronaldo did not play in any of those matches due to being cup tied. However heading into the 2007/08 season Ronaldo fell hard back into old habits (like partying & drinking) & arrived at preseason training camp 30 pounds overweight. Ancelotti was livid about this & told Ronaldo he would be benched until he lost 10 pounds. This was too low of a bar as his weight issues were a contributing factor in Ronaldo getting injured in February 2008 where he ruptured his kneecap. The injury basically ended Ronaldo's career in Europe as Milan released him at the end of the season & he would end his career back home in Brazil with Corinthians.
dunn was a beast at fresno state
If you're job entails running very fast, and you can't lose twenty pounds, with a whole team of nutritionists and strength coaches behind you, you just don't have any willpower. He didn't even have enough try in him to cut weight the day before he was weighed, which would have at least shown he was trying a little bit. Considering he probably got hit in the head a thousand times before this happened, one wonders if his decision making wasn't compromised.
He actually played with The Steelers too for a little bit before the bum retired
Man this guys highlights are very good. Very good after the catch and had some wheels for a bigger player. It’s a shame he couldn’t keep the weight off.
And this was totally the last bad, embarrassing thing that happened to the Bengals in the '90s. Absolutely nothing bad happened to them in 1999. I don't know why you all keep talking about this Akili Smith guy or this declined Saints mega-trade. Clearly all of that is a figment of your imagination and it all definitely never happened.
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You mean the Bungals.
David Boston was weighing about that or close to 245 lbs of muscle in the mid 2000s but was obviously juicing.
And made a mockery of the idea that the NFL "drug tests". Unless the tests are performed totally at random, it's very easy to take drugs in a way that allows you to beat the tests.... I'm guessing that the players knew what these times were well in advance, so that they would avoid taking drugs beforehand.
He was great though.
"Hey, hey, hey !" Looked pretty spry on tape, returning kicks n picking up 1st downs underneath, had nice hands. Bad case of cheesburger-itis.
So was there any consideration to moving him to Tight End? 6-3 and 240 is the right size for a Tight End
About the BMI comparison, the only wide receivers listed by Stathead as having a BMI over 30 and a height of 6'0" or taller (excluding running backs and tight ends who lined up at receiver (or switched positions) or predate the official separation of wide receivers and tight ends from the general "end" position) are David Boston (who infamously used steroids) and Joe Reed (a wide receiver who was almost exclusively used on jet sweeps in his brief career with the 2020 Chargers).
So the closest wide receivers to him (by height and weight) are a steroid abuser and a glorified running back.
I agree that BMI is flawed. I'm a tad under 6'2", and according to one hospital bmi index card, my ideal weight was in the 170s. I'm usually 205 or 210 at 46 yo. Been between 200 and 220 my whole adult life, fairly athletic, never really been "out of shape." If you eat decent, stay active, work up a sweat at least sometimes, don't smoke or drug or drink much, you don't have to look like a starving 19 yo model. You might be just fine.
Yeah, BMI thinks everybody should stay at the same weight they were in 8th grade their entire adult lives or they're "obese". Especially absurd considering the movement to force us all to consider women who are 50-100 pounds overweight or more "sexy".
I guess converting a 6'3, 240 guy into a TE was out of the question? Either way he really didn't want to play football.
It's a discipline issue. They COULD have converted him to a TE, but why reward a man with no focus or discipline? He didn't put in any effort.
@@LegendaryDorkKnight Can you prove that? Because the video doesn’t give any information on what he was or wasn’t doing. For some people, professional athletes included, it is easy to gain weight. Yet extremely difficult to lose it. No matter what you do. That’s why we have a billion dollar weight loss industry.
Just a simple misunderstanding regarding the phrase 'wide receiver '.
He ran a couple kickoffs back for TDs in his days w the Bengals
Reminds me of the player addicted to lean
jamarcus russell ?
He is a very successful high school football coach at Lincoln High, where I went to school. Marcus Allen and Terrell Davis went there too.
Since David Dunn refused to lose weight, his NFL career was Dunn.
Not really.. he played for the Raiders after and was a good return man for them.
Ah, the Bungles era of Cincinnati (91-drafting Joe Burrow), always a source of amusement; though not to the degree of bashing the Jets.
To be fair, Marvin Lewis did have playoff appearances; but no wins.
Jets played in 3 championship games since 98. And 2 were back to back.
Could have moved him to Tight End
He played TE in his last college game and killed it. Look it up. He balled out
@@ChristopherMosley-dj3kt was probably the position they suited him best, coaches might have dropped the ball on that one
If I had to guess, the coaching and training staff probably thought switching him to TE was "enabling" him, and were worried it would start a slippery slope regarding his weight. After all, he had weight problems in the past and always managed to bring it down before. Given his history, it was probably all or nothing.
All Dunn had to do was stay in decent shape and he would have a secure spot in Cincinnati. They gave him chance after chance. He thought it was a game and he messed around and found out.
At 12:12 you mentioned James Francis while showing highlights of a Bengals game against the Cowboys. This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Cowboys almost drafted Francis instead of Emmitt Smith in 1990.
Some idiots can't even stop smoking weed for what now even more money
Not to mention all the players who get arrested in the month or so of free time they have between OTAs and minicamp. And now the NFLPA wants to eliminate OTAs altogether, meaning players would have a whopping four months of free time to commit crimes.
I believe he became an agent after his playing days were over.
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In Madden games in the early 00s he was listed as a backup TE for several teams
Much like Kotite,Coslet should've stayed an OC
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6'3 240 isnt fat, I'm sorry. He probably isn't in football shape. Remember David Boston got to ripped to play wide receiver. football shape is different from being over weight. linemen always come in over weight also this happens all the time. We also dont know if Dunn was hitting the weights either.
Yea but David Boston was mostly 240 of muscle. Dunn was 240 of mostly fat.
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Make him a TE..... heck Megatron was huge.
Weight gain and eating begin the battle with the conscience which begins before we can talk.
No shot clocks in pick up games. 🙋🏾♂️
JaMarcus Russell. That’s all.
The dreaded AH tried to eat himself out of a job, until he realised that JUST NOT TRYING would work too!
I think the 1998 Bengals were fat and stupid, which is sad to me since they showed signs of life (as Jaguargator pointed out, especially on offense) during the 1995-1997 seasons.
💥💥Obviously he didn't care about football
Addictions have that kind of power. I can promise you a hardcore drug addict if offered a million dollars if they stopped using for a week would have an extremely difficult time. It's a sad story.
But he wasnt as big as Pete Johnson
Good video, good point made.. but David Boston good blow this video up😂 not that it’s in a good way lol
If you think 240 pounds is like the Family Guy episode where Peter has his own gravitational pull, I'd hate to think what you think of an actual fat person. It's certainly not good shape for a pro athlete to be in, but come on. You make him sound like Haystacks Calhoun.
David Dunn TRY To Lose Weight It Is Hard But I Know And Jg9 Know It Can Happen You Just Need To Eat Right & Exercise You Can Lose Weight.
CUTTING WEIGHT IS EXTREMELY UNHEALTHY ! YOU SHOULD BE YOUR NATURAL, HEALTHY, ATHLETIC WEIGHT ! HOWEVER, MANY PRO ATHLETES LET THEMSELVES GO IN THE OFFSEASON. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN NO PROBLEM IF HE WAS 240 BECAUSE HE HAS 25 MORE POUNDS OF MUSCLE THAN AMY OTHER PLAYER AT THE SAME POSITION AND HEIGHT, WITH NO NEGATIVE ASPECTS TO THAT WEIGHT. THIS SEEMS TO NO HAVE BEEN THE CASE.
Dunn was a bad dude though. He was a wr/te tweener
Wtf, I can lose that after a trip to the crapper, that's a lot of money to throw away over 15 pounds, he's supposed to be an elete athlete.
Has anyone told you, you sound like Awful coaching? He's an NBA RUclipsr. Like so much.