I remember this game so well man!!! Young is hurt, taken out, grbac comes in gets hurt, young comes back and comes in and limps around to score and it was an amazing comeback man
There was also a 5th down incident in the 1930s, but the coach of the winning team refused the victory, saying something to the effect he couldn't bear winning a game under dishonest circumstances. Man, times were different back then.
NBC had no choice but to air this game. There was no cross flexing in 1996. NBC always covered games when the visiting team was from the AFC. When CBS acquired the AFC Package in 1998, they would add a score bug along with down and distance.
Yep it was more just the fact that this was the best game at their disposal that was mind boggling I mean, it worked out and the game itself turned out to be really good, but how was this the best game of the week? Schedule was dire that week
This is very similar to what happened in 2005 in the CFL in the playoffs between the BC Lions & Edmonton. For some context the winner of this game would go to the Grey Cup & if BC won, they would be playing in their own stadium for the title. With about 20 seconds left & BC down by 5, QB Casey Printers threw a hail mary pass to Geroy Simon. However Simon was bumped & the pass was ruled incomplete even though BC had a clear argument that there was pass interference on the play. Then for whatever reason like with this, the referees lost track of what down it was as they ruled that the play was a third down play meaning Edmonton would get the ball back since in Canadian football they only play 3 downs even though the play had actually taken place on second down. The BC Lions coaching staff along with nearly every single one of the 50,000 fans in attendance at BC Place were livid about both calls. To make this worse for the viewer watching at home, TSN the network broadcasting this game decided to cut off the part of the score bug that listed what down it was (only including the score of the game & how much time was left) in favor showing the bottom line with scores, stats & news from other sports that is common with ESPN at the bottom of the screen meaning viewers had no idea what down it was. Edmonton would go on to win the Grey Cup a week later in BC Place in an OT thriller with Montreal. This is easily one of the most controversial moments in CFL history and this even got attention here in the US (which is rare) as SportsCenter talked about it because of how controversial it was.
After the game Dave Shula looked like a man headed to the gallows, he knew he couldnt justify his employment after this. The Bengals ironically won the next two meetings scoring 44 and 41 points in two more close games between these two teams
One of the things we learned from the Giants-TFKAR game in 2013 is the referee is responsible for what down it is. Larry Nemmers was the referee for this game. He should have been communicating the actual downs throughout so there would be no reliance on the down marker.
Another thing about the Bengals and 49ers when they play that people don't know about, is Super Bowl XVI, which was the first Bengals-49ers game, did a Nielsen Rating of 49.1, which still stands to this day as the highest TV Rated Super Bowl ever. Not even any of the Tom Brady Super Bowls were able to beat that Rating
Being a former player... I can tell you there is a lot of things going on in a player's mind... I've constantly lost track of the down... players constantly rely on the down marker to know what's going on. I get what happened to Blake.
NBC was not the only network televising NFL games in 1996 that refused to continuously display the score bug on screen. ABC, which was still televising Monday nights, was still refusing to do so. ABC did, however, display a score bug continuously on screen for NFL games the following season, in 1997, which made NBC the only network refusing to do so in that season.
I think calling this series a rivalry is a stretch. With that said, Blake can't blame the officials. As you mentioned, he had violated that forward pass rule in the NFL before and was a QB well before that, even before his days at ECU and should've known better.
The Bengals will play the Niners at minimum once ever 4 years and at maximum 3 times over 4 years (via Super Bowl) and previous years placement in standings (such as 2021 based on 2020 standings).
Jeff Blake should also know where the original line of scrimmage is when he throws a pass. To get penalized three times for an illegal forward pass in less than a year is pretty bad.
Looks like the NBC games that week were: 1 p.m. Patriots/Colts Eagles/Dolphins 4 p.m. Steelers/Oilers Jaguars/Rams Ravens/Broncos Bengals/49ers Bills/Jets I know flexing games to Sunday night wasn't doable until about 10 years later. Not sure if the networks would have been allowed to move either Patriots/Colts (3-3 vs. 5-1) or Eagles/Dolphins (4-2 vs. 4-2 )back and move another game (probably Rams/Jags) into the 1 p.m. window. Assuming that wasn't an option, I wonder why they didn't go with Steelers/Oilers. Steelers were 5-1, Oilers were 4-2. Steelers have a huge following. Oilers had the reigning Heisman winner. Jags made the AFCCG that year but they were 3-4 at the time. A second-year franchise going against a 1-5 team that hadn't had a winning season in 7 years isn't a recipe for success. It's also funny that Ravens/Broncos, Bills/Jets and Bengals/49ers all pitted a powerhouse against a bad team. And in all three cases, the game was pretty good.
That's weird that NBC only had two games in the 1:00 window (since now days it's three minimum for CBS/FOX). Maybe it was to balance it out since they had everything the week prior at 1:00 for Yankees/Orioles Game 5 after.
Almost unfathomable that he was given that many games to coach. Truly dark times for us in the ‘nati. The chant “Who Dey!” was non existent, seriously in jeopardy of never being uttered by Bengals fans again.😭
@randywatkins2359 he should've been fired after 1994. At that point, he was 11-37 as a coach. To give an idea of how bad that is, dave campo was 15-33 in his 3 years as the cowboys head coach. This proves Mike Brown is a horrible owner
I feel like the reason this game was the national game on NBC was the same reason the Chiefs- Bears game was the national late game on Fox this year (no not to show Taylor Swift). Especially in the time before flex scheduling, NBC got two chances to show the 49ers at most. Whenever an AFC team comes to Candlestick. So they put the really popular team on their national spot even if they're playing a turd.
Yes NBC held out for the longest time. By mid 1998 like every network had a score bug except NBC. NBC held out and never had one for their own produced sports telecasts until Arena football in 2003 I believe. For 1999 and 2000 baseball coverage they sort of had one, but only when showing the pitcher throwing to the hitter was their a bug otherwise not. They avoided it at like all costs except in that scenario. Whenever they changed the screen view to the outfield or a played in dugout in 1999-2000 baseball coverage bug was gone. Dick Ebersol was stubborn and just did not like having a score bug as he thought it would take away viewers. He finally gave in in 2003.
@@AdamJ617 1997 not even close. They never had any static score bug always on for their own produced sports coverage until Arena football coverage in 2003. 2006 when they got NFL back with the Sunday night game is when they fixed it and had a score bug always there.
This one has to definetly be put at the official's collective feet. It's (one of) their jobs to pay attention and make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen. If they failed to do so someone was not doing their jobs, probably more than one someone. Simple as that.
The question is at 6:31 - did Nemmers announce "loss of down, it will be 3rd down" as they are supposed to do any time there is an illegal forward pass penalty (or any penalty that carries loss of down) or did he say "five yard penalty, repeat 2nd down?" The refs always announce what down it is after announcing the penalty - I am guessing Nemmers didn't do it here.
If I was dictator of the NFL I would have gone to the monitor, replayed it from the illegal forward pass, so third down and 27 second left, with a 10 second runoff so :17 and a running clock, as well as suspended the crew for a week
If it hadn't happened to him so many times specifically, I can 100% blame the officials. Is it his job to know the playbook? Yes. However, if the officials screwed up and it's a situation that's never happened to you before, I can completely understand. It's like trying to remember the password to an old account you shared with someone else. Should you know it? Yes. But it's not been applicable to you in so long it's understandable if you forget especially if the other guy, who made the account, also forgot. That being said, It had happened to him recently so it's not like he thought maybe the rule changed since the last time.
I only saw the fourth quarter, so I might have missed an earlier dumb decision. You could have a dumb decision video on Kevin O’Connell calling a risky passing play up fourteen in the fourth with a rookie backup QB. If the Packers had a halfway competent offense, it might have cost them the game
"you're really gonna Bungle this"...this is why Myron Cope dubbed them the Bungles during this time. And to think they could have hired Bill Cowher as their HC after firing Sam Wyche..instead of Cowher, they picked Shula figuring some of Don's magic with the Colts and Dolphins would rub off on his son. As they say on Family Feud, "survey says......" and the "X"..
if the official says its 2nd down its second down. even if theyre wrong. going back afterwards and saying "just kidding, it was 3rd down" seems highly improper. the official rule should be that once the play is ran it was whatever down the official announced it as, even if it was totally wrong. its unclear in this video, but when the penalty was announced, did the official state that the next down was 2nd down, or 3rd?
What is with Eric Bieniemy being involved with these games where the refs didn't know what down it was?
Are you referencing the 5th down game between Missouri and Colorado?
@@dkberg123 Yes.
I remember this game so well man!!! Young is hurt, taken out, grbac comes in gets hurt, young comes back and comes in and limps around to score and it was an amazing comeback man
So the NFL nearly had a fifth down incident similar to the 1990 college football game between Colorado and Missouri.
There was an actual 5th down incident back in the 1960s…
@@OfficialJaguarGator9Really? Did you do a video on that yet?
There was also a “only 3 downs given” incident in the 1960s
There was also a 5th down incident in the 1930s, but the coach of the winning team refused the victory, saying something to the effect he couldn't bear winning a game under dishonest circumstances. Man, times were different back then.
@@Bruce12867That was in college. Cornell was one of the teams, I believe Dartmouth was the other.
That was genius on your part pulling up the receipts on Jeff Blake!
NBC had no choice but to air this game. There was no cross flexing in 1996. NBC always covered games when the visiting team was from the AFC. When CBS acquired the AFC Package in 1998, they would add a score bug along with down and distance.
Before the 1998 season, CBS didn't use a score bug for their SEC on CBS coverage.
Yep it was more just the fact that this was the best game at their disposal that was mind boggling
I mean, it worked out and the game itself turned out to be really good, but how was this the best game of the week? Schedule was dire that week
@OfficialJaguarGator9 Bills-Jets, Ravens-Broncos, Jags-Rams and Steelers-Oilers were the other options in the late slot.
This is very similar to what happened in 2005 in the CFL in the playoffs between the BC Lions & Edmonton. For some context the winner of this game would go to the Grey Cup & if BC won, they would be playing in their own stadium for the title. With about 20 seconds left & BC down by 5, QB Casey Printers threw a hail mary pass to Geroy Simon. However Simon was bumped & the pass was ruled incomplete even though BC had a clear argument that there was pass interference on the play. Then for whatever reason like with this, the referees lost track of what down it was as they ruled that the play was a third down play meaning Edmonton would get the ball back since in Canadian football they only play 3 downs even though the play had actually taken place on second down. The BC Lions coaching staff along with nearly every single one of the 50,000 fans in attendance at BC Place were livid about both calls. To make this worse for the viewer watching at home, TSN the network broadcasting this game decided to cut off the part of the score bug that listed what down it was (only including the score of the game & how much time was left) in favor showing the bottom line with scores, stats & news from other sports that is common with ESPN at the bottom of the screen meaning viewers had no idea what down it was. Edmonton would go on to win the Grey Cup a week later in BC Place in an OT thriller with Montreal. This is easily one of the most controversial moments in CFL history and this even got attention here in the US (which is rare) as SportsCenter talked about it because of how controversial it was.
After the game Dave Shula looked like a man headed to the gallows, he knew he couldnt justify his employment after this. The Bengals ironically won the next two meetings scoring 44 and 41 points in two more close games between these two teams
One of the things we learned from the Giants-TFKAR game in 2013 is the referee is responsible for what down it is. Larry Nemmers was the referee for this game. He should have been communicating the actual downs throughout so there would be no reliance on the down marker.
Jeff Blake and the coaching staff not knowing the down: the Bengals from 1990-2005 in a nutshell!
Another thing about the Bengals and 49ers when they play that people don't know about, is Super Bowl XVI, which was the first Bengals-49ers game, did a Nielsen Rating of 49.1, which still stands to this day as the highest TV Rated Super Bowl ever. Not even any of the Tom Brady Super Bowls were able to beat that Rating
Being a former player... I can tell you there is a lot of things going on in a player's mind... I've constantly lost track of the down... players constantly rely on the down marker to know what's going on. I get what happened to Blake.
This was the largest 49ers comeback between 1980 and 2002
1:12 mark. "Intentional Safety." That's what Al Michaels would've done.
This reminds me of the Missouri- Colorado game when Colorado got an extra down in 1990
NBC was not the only network televising NFL games in 1996 that refused to continuously display the score bug on screen. ABC, which was still televising Monday nights, was still refusing to do so.
ABC did, however, display a score bug continuously on screen for NFL games the following season, in 1997, which made NBC the only network refusing to do so in that season.
So he shouldn't have spiked the ball down on every play
I think calling this series a rivalry is a stretch. With that said, Blake can't blame the officials. As you mentioned, he had violated that forward pass rule in the NFL before and was a QB well before that, even before his days at ECU and should've known better.
The Bengals will play the Niners at minimum once ever 4 years and at maximum 3 times over 4 years (via Super Bowl) and previous years placement in standings (such as 2021 based on 2020 standings).
More of a one sided rivalry, where Bengals fans hated the 49ers, but the 49ers felt nothing toward the Bengals
Jeff Blake should also know where the original line of scrimmage is when he throws a pass. To get penalized three times for an illegal forward pass in less than a year is pretty bad.
Looks like the NBC games that week were:
1 p.m.
Patriots/Colts
Eagles/Dolphins
4 p.m.
Steelers/Oilers
Jaguars/Rams
Ravens/Broncos
Bengals/49ers
Bills/Jets
I know flexing games to Sunday night wasn't doable until about 10 years later. Not sure if the networks would have been allowed to move either Patriots/Colts (3-3 vs. 5-1) or Eagles/Dolphins (4-2 vs. 4-2 )back and move another game (probably Rams/Jags) into the 1 p.m. window.
Assuming that wasn't an option, I wonder why they didn't go with Steelers/Oilers. Steelers were 5-1, Oilers were 4-2. Steelers have a huge following. Oilers had the reigning Heisman winner. Jags made the AFCCG that year but they were 3-4 at the time. A second-year franchise going against a 1-5 team that hadn't had a winning season in 7 years isn't a recipe for success.
It's also funny that Ravens/Broncos, Bills/Jets and Bengals/49ers all pitted a powerhouse against a bad team. And in all three cases, the game was pretty good.
That's weird that NBC only had two games in the 1:00 window (since now days it's three minimum for CBS/FOX). Maybe it was to balance it out since they had everything the week prior at 1:00 for Yankees/Orioles Game 5 after.
Interestingly enough, the referee (and assuming the crew) was the same for both the '95 CIN-JAX and '96 CIN-SF games.
It’s really strange that Jeff Blake lasted about 10 years in the NFL.
What a way for dave shula to FINALLY go out. 19-52 overall.
Almost unfathomable that he was given that many games to coach. Truly dark times for us in the ‘nati. The chant “Who Dey!” was non existent, seriously in jeopardy of never being uttered by Bengals fans again.😭
@randywatkins2359 he should've been fired after 1994. At that point, he was 11-37 as a coach. To give an idea of how bad that is, dave campo was 15-33 in his 3 years as the cowboys head coach. This proves Mike Brown is a horrible owner
I feel like the reason this game was the national game on NBC was the same reason the Chiefs- Bears game was the national late game on Fox this year (no not to show Taylor Swift). Especially in the time before flex scheduling, NBC got two chances to show the 49ers at most. Whenever an AFC team comes to Candlestick. So they put the really popular team on their national spot even if they're playing a turd.
In Blake's defense, he doesn't know where the line of scrimmage is, so he shouldn't be expected to know what down it is.
LOL Jacksonville was losing 10 -7 to the rams, and yet had 200 more yards of offense????
Dave Shula’s last game
7:19 Umm... ok. I guess we'll have to take your word for it that it's third down. Looks like less pixels than an NES game to me.
I always hated games on NBC when I was a kid because of the lack of the scorebug. This was true for their NBA coverage as well.
At least, in Either 1997 Or 2006, the peacock fixed it.
Yes NBC held out for the longest time. By mid 1998 like every network had a score bug except NBC. NBC held out and never had one for their own produced sports telecasts until Arena football in 2003 I believe. For 1999 and 2000 baseball coverage they sort of had one, but only when showing the pitcher throwing to the hitter was their a bug otherwise not. They avoided it at like all costs except in that scenario. Whenever they changed the screen view to the outfield or a played in dugout in 1999-2000 baseball coverage bug was gone. Dick Ebersol was stubborn and just did not like having a score bug as he thought it would take away viewers. He finally gave in in 2003.
@@AdamJ617 1997 not even close. They never had any static score bug always on for their own produced sports coverage until Arena football coverage in 2003.
2006 when they got NFL back with the Sunday night game is when they fixed it and had a score bug always there.
This one has to definetly be put at the official's collective feet. It's (one of) their jobs to pay attention and make sure this sort of thing doesn't happen.
If they failed to do so someone was not doing their jobs, probably more than one someone. Simple as that.
As for Jeff Blake. He wouldn't be the first, or the last, player in this game to try and get a advantage thanks to the mistakes of others..
Ever going to do a video on the 5th Down Game?
The question is at 6:31 - did Nemmers announce "loss of down, it will be 3rd down" as they are supposed to do any time there is an illegal forward pass penalty (or any penalty that carries loss of down) or did he say "five yard penalty, repeat 2nd down?" The refs always announce what down it is after announcing the penalty - I am guessing Nemmers didn't do it here.
If I was dictator of the NFL I would have gone to the monitor, replayed it from the illegal forward pass, so third down and 27 second left, with a 10 second runoff so :17 and a running clock, as well as suspended the crew for a week
The chain-gang never changed the down marker.
If it hadn't happened to him so many times specifically, I can 100% blame the officials. Is it his job to know the playbook? Yes. However, if the officials screwed up and it's a situation that's never happened to you before, I can completely understand. It's like trying to remember the password to an old account you shared with someone else. Should you know it? Yes. But it's not been applicable to you in so long it's understandable if you forget especially if the other guy, who made the account, also forgot.
That being said, It had happened to him recently so it's not like he thought maybe the rule changed since the last time.
I only saw the fourth quarter, so I might have missed an earlier dumb decision. You could have a dumb decision video on Kevin O’Connell calling a risky passing play up fourteen in the fourth with a rookie backup QB. If the Packers had a halfway competent offense, it might have cost them the game
The QB putting all the blame on refs is crap!? Yea refs do deserve most of the fault but the QB should be keeping track of what down it is!?
The NFL did not have the 2 point conversion in 1996. So the Bengals would not have had that option had they scored at the end of the game.
That is not accurate. The NFL adopted the 2-point conversion in 1994.
@@bayou432 You're right. I just googled it. My bad.
81 for SF-a young T.O.?
"you're really gonna Bungle this"...this is why Myron Cope dubbed them the Bungles during this time. And to think they could have hired Bill Cowher as their HC after firing Sam Wyche..instead of Cowher, they picked Shula figuring some of Don's magic with the Colts and Dolphins would rub off on his son. As they say on Family Feud, "survey says......" and the "X"..
@@andrewpadaetz5549They would have ruined Cower’s career in my opinion. The Bengals were a bad up and down at that time.
Yep, rookie year
if the official says its 2nd down its second down. even if theyre wrong. going back afterwards and saying "just kidding, it was 3rd down" seems highly improper. the official rule should be that once the play is ran it was whatever down the official announced it as, even if it was totally wrong.
its unclear in this video, but when the penalty was announced, did the official state that the next down was 2nd down, or 3rd?