Rare 9mm Ammo That Can Penetrate Rifle Body Armor?

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    Of various types of body armor, many hard rifle plates employ UHMWPE as a backing system to the strike face, or in this case, the entire plate is all UHMWPE. It's very good with speed, but hardened core's present a problem. Can a tungsten core 9mm penetrate level III?
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  • @Docsporseen1
    @Docsporseen1 4 года назад +673

    And for today's life lesson - never get into a gunfight with someone who can afford really weird ammunition!

    • @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
      @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад +29

      You put a smile on my face. Thanks.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +110

      I wonder what the Secret Service carries? Do they have AP rounds in their SMG?

    • @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
      @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад +46

      @@BuffRANGE
      Thats a great question. Part of me has to assume that they do.
      I've found DOJ contracts for ammo and different agencies, but I cant remember if I've ever found SS contracts.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +24

      @@BuffRANGE
      If they have Stiletto 9x19 AP, they'll blitz anything short of ceramic plates. Basically all steel on the market will fold like a cheap suit, and UHMWPE is a lost cause.
      >MP5 can now perforate those "just as good" Armoured Repub plates

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +8

      @FacePwn64
      The P90 sucks.

  • @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
    @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад +318

    Enough engineering and tungsten and anything can be done.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +6

      *loads Swiss P AP*

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +15

      @FacePwn64
      DU has... Toxicity issues. Generally speaking, it's environmentally and humanly friendly to use tungsten.

    • @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
      @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад +11

      @@KoishiVibin
      You sound like a very polite person. Maybe a little boring at parties, but very thoughtful nonetheless ;)

    • @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
      @DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад +1

      @Jim Beam
      I know the name, but couldn't tell you who he is.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +3

      @@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS
      Perhaps. If you ever decide to chose some personal protection, however, give me a call.

  • @TMega5612
    @TMega5612 4 года назад +217

    That is absolutely unreal. Even with tungsten I would never have conceived any 9mm load bypassing such armor.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +48

      Exactly. I held onto this round for probably a year trying to think what to shoot it at. I knew M39B and bullets like that could penetrate IIIA, and that seemed a waste for DM91. I wasn't sure how it would do against steel, or any ceramic with a strike face over .200". I'd love to test it more, maybe some day.

    • @LîNkxUSMC
      @LîNkxUSMC 4 года назад +2

      @@BuffRANGE very interested to see this round on steel and ceramic! That thing is insane! Would also be cool to see how it preforms out of different barrel lengths. Wonder if it could still penetrate a poly 3+ out of a glock 43 or something similar. If it failed to penetrate steel/ceramic out of the 7.7" scorpion, maybe try carbine barrel or something similar ect. Great vid man!

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +5

      @@BuffRANGE
      drive.google.com/file/d/1Wy94Awe83U2Mmeav1oS_wOYurdso_xtZ/view?usp=drivesdk
      Documentation suggests inconsistent, but very possible, performance.
      Due to armour Repub having shit quality, hardness of plates may factor into penetration.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      @@LîNkxUSMC
      Generally speaking, poly folds like paper against anything hard cored. As for ceramic, it's not cutting that. Even basic classification three, I'd bet my life that I'd survive.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +5

      @@KoishiVibin I can imagine I won't be getting my hands on that anytime soon :(

  • @dogboy0912
    @dogboy0912 4 года назад +75

    David Weber wrote a lot of military scifi, and it always describes people using tungsten penetrators. Guess he was onto something.

    • @cullenseago1519
      @cullenseago1519 3 года назад +23

      Tungsten penetrators have been a thing since the 40s. They used then for tank armor piercing as well

    • @1810jeff
      @1810jeff Год назад +4

      @@cullenseago1519 I also could have sworn they used tungsten cores in some ww1 era k bullets. Might have been post WW1 but they definitely made k bullets with tungsten cores.

    • @dominicmauro7203
      @dominicmauro7203 Год назад

      @@1810jeff no the k bullets were reg ball ammo no tungsten in them although Cullen is wrong they've been around since the 1930s

    • @ilikeships9333
      @ilikeships9333 Год назад +2

      @@1810jeffever since more armoured stuff in ww1 people have been testing out hv tungsten and heavy metal type rounds.

    • @jb-xc4oh
      @jb-xc4oh 10 месяцев назад

      Military Sci-Fi.........real military armor piercing ammunition has used tungsten penetrators as far back as WW2. Its nothing new, neither are the basic principles of armor penetration.

  • @kawasakifreak77
    @kawasakifreak77 4 года назад +59

    Dude that is frickin nuts. Bravo.

  • @forestronin
    @forestronin 4 года назад +114

    Waiting for this round to come to Escape from Tarkov

    • @cutetransgirl
      @cutetransgirl 4 года назад +8

      Isn't this like 7n31?

    • @azeke8
      @azeke8 4 года назад +8

      IchBinEinNoob 7N31 penetrates 4.6mm thick AR500 steel at up to 10 m away when fired from PP-2000, not sure how this translates into performance against UHMWPE. Its probably about the same in terms of near point blank performance, but 7N31 losses its penetration performance really fast with increasing distances.

    • @FoMScratch
      @FoMScratch 4 года назад +4

      It's already in the game, 7n21's a tungsten core with a gang of powder in it. Different brands same features.

    • @cnlbenmc
      @cnlbenmc 4 года назад +2

      Or 6.5x25mm CBJ

    • @azeke8
      @azeke8 4 года назад +3

      FoMScratch 7N21 and 31 use a hardened steel core not tungsten.

  • @TROOPERfarcry
    @TROOPERfarcry 4 года назад +42

    There are "White Out" pens which are literally "liquid paper" or "white out" in a pen, meant to correct very small errors. I find that they write very, very well on dark surfaces.

  • @MrChispa06
    @MrChispa06 4 года назад +148

    Tarkov Devs: "see those rounds, write that down, write it!"

    • @cameron1999cam
      @cameron1999cam 4 года назад +12

      7N39 is good enough for 9x19, probably rarer too

    • @oldls7t_211
      @oldls7t_211 4 года назад +3

      Just imagine what these things would to for example a killa armor just fucking crazy but I kinda want them in the game

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      @@oldls7t_211
      Look, it's easy to cut a polyethylene or steel. It's hard to cut ceramic.

    • @oldls7t_211
      @oldls7t_211 4 года назад +2

      @@KoishiVibin and killa armor happens to be polyethylene adding the fact that a zabralo is equal to a level 3 plate and killa is weaker than a zabralo it would cut right through it. and a ceramic plate shatters after a few hits so it could take this down aswell easily so whats your point

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +3

      @@oldls7t_211
      1: tarkov defined an IOTV as being made of titanium
      2: tarkov defined GOST 6A as being analogous to NIJ IIIA.
      Given that the Killa armour is a modded 6b13, and the 6b13 is ceramic, I'll go with a ceramic plate.
      Also, it'll take upwards of fifty pistol rounds to beat ceramic armor plates

  • @gavinrobinson8925
    @gavinrobinson8925 Год назад +18

    I'm truly amazed that ANY 9mm load would be capable of penetrating rifle armour. Very informative video, i never knew much about how different armour medians can perform better or worse at stopping certain rounds. Adds a lot more nuance to armour design and armour ratings. It would also explain how many armours are capable of stopping rounds they aren't rated for just as the inverse happened here.

  • @moxigen
    @moxigen 4 года назад +23

    we call it "Wolfram"!
    because "Germanium" was already taken.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 4 года назад +1

      Because heavy stone was a bit boring ... (actual translation of Tungsten in Swedish)...

    • @moxigen
      @moxigen 4 года назад

      @@allangibson8494 well i see that as a "swed-problem" :p

  • @rustyshakleford5230
    @rustyshakleford5230 4 года назад +29

    First video of yours ive seen. Kinda unbelievable 9mm could make it through something a 308 cant. I love the setup you got with the chrony monitor. Subbed

    • @justinlance4174
      @justinlance4174 2 года назад +6

      308 definitely can. With the right bullet. Bullet construction is what defeats armor. More than velocity or mass.

    • @jonahpatton8879
      @jonahpatton8879 2 года назад +3

      @@justinlance4174 depends on the armor. With steel armor it's been noticed that speed is the more important factor. With uhmwpe, bullet construction seems to matter more than speed. Ceramics seem to be the hardest to penetrate and require both.

    • @whatsmolly5741
      @whatsmolly5741 Год назад

      @@jonahpatton8879 yup m193 loaded to ~3450 fps at close range will put a neat little hole through your ar 500 target

  • @jeferainman2990
    @jeferainman2990 4 года назад +20

    "and i forgot my hearing protection"
    ooooh in know the feeling ... lol

  • @Subgunman
    @Subgunman 4 года назад +9

    A friend ordered tungsten points from a source in China. He managed to mount projectiles on a lathe and bored out the center and epoxied a tungsten core into it. Yes it did,manage to get throughout level III armour. Yes where there is a will there is a way. Don't have any reload info on the rounds as to powder type used or grains of projectile. It would appear that a solid projectile would be the perfect host.
    Build at your own risk. Nothing is impossible.

    • @-darrell
      @-darrell 4 года назад +1

      Damn your friends are cooler than my friends.

    • @nicholaddelioncourt7863
      @nicholaddelioncourt7863 2 года назад

      that seems like a very long way to go about getting tungsten core rounds

    • @johnb.6468
      @johnb.6468 4 месяца назад

      What about TIG welding rods?

  • @highspeed9518
    @highspeed9518 4 года назад +46

    Buffman you always amaze me with your tests,youbare such a underrated channel

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +4

      Thank you very much!

  • @jantschierschky3461
    @jantschierschky3461 4 года назад +18

    I did not see the DM 91 when I was in the German army, however did hear about it. Believe only very specialised units get it.

    • @ToxicityD-Day
      @ToxicityD-Day 2 года назад

      I read that it is used by the Bundeswehr. Im No expert so i ask you, are they a specialised unit?

    • @jantschierschky3461
      @jantschierschky3461 2 года назад

      @@ToxicityD-Day Bundeswehr is the whole military.

    • @Mike-de2yt
      @Mike-de2yt 7 месяцев назад

      Only used by the KSK and KSM probably two special forces of the Bundeswehr

    • @FTWIHA
      @FTWIHA 3 месяца назад

      @@Mike-de2yt
      Theoretically allowed to be used by anyone, rear units, the Feldjäger, the EGB and some recon units and snipers in the normal Jäger have access to it too, the point behind DM91 was to give those only equipped with light weaponry the ability to defeat body armour, so basically the same thing as with the MP7 with the difference that the MP7 got cucked by using normal steel bullets instead of hardened steel or tungsten.
      DM91 and DM51 are the reason why we switched from the P8 to the P8A1 and from the MP2 to the MP5, because the standard P8 and the Uzi couldn't handle the pressure.

  • @Pro_Vs_Con
    @Pro_Vs_Con 4 года назад +10

    Holy shit! Those tungsten cores are mean! I guessed no that it would go through..

  • @Feldwaldwiese
    @Feldwaldwiese 4 года назад +21

    In Germany the DM91 is illegal, because of the tungsten core.
    It’s military use only.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +3

      Thank you for the added insight!

    • @johnakridge2916
      @johnakridge2916 4 года назад +4

      Well im sure I csn find some on the Street. :) No im not a thug. But i definitely want some

    • @stemup
      @stemup 4 месяца назад

      How about 3d printers/ammo reloader sets?

    • @notachair4757
      @notachair4757 4 месяца назад

      ​@stemup
      Making AP pistol ammo is illegal here in the states.
      The only way for it to get into civilian hands here is for it to have either been imported or made before the law was passed, or for it to have been made or imported by/for the military.

    • @stemup
      @stemup 4 месяца назад

      @@notachair4757 or if you have a 3d printer and an ammo reloading set

  • @lowtdave
    @lowtdave 3 года назад +26

    This DM91 round may be my favorite round youve tested. It's amazing seeing the plate didn't slow it down. It showed no signs of anything grabbing it.
    People who engineer these types of munitions are amazing. Getting the weight, material, shape, charge and assembly process perfected to manufacture little amazing aeronautical bullets.
    Humans are the best

  • @patrickspapens5497
    @patrickspapens5497 4 года назад +12

    I'm not surprised the tungsten core went through

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 4 года назад +9

    Interesting! I'm mildly surprised but not really shocked. Tungsten is no joke, pretty hard stuff. Driven with some oomph I imagine it will go through a lot of stuff you wouldn't expect a 9mm to perforate.

  • @SonOfTheDawn515
    @SonOfTheDawn515 4 года назад +81

    Honestly, if you are going to wear plates, just go lvl 4.

    • @tedhodge4830
      @tedhodge4830 4 года назад +18

      I'd rather wear steel III+, it stops 55gr, 62gr and nearly everything else on earth short of .300 win mag and takes repeated hits. Level 4 is typically ceramic and degrades. You won't find this loading in the market, let alone at Walmart or on the streets.

    • @Howdy762
      @Howdy762 4 года назад +30

      @@tedhodge4830 lol and thats the reason i load m855a1.

    • @TMega5612
      @TMega5612 4 года назад +22

      Double the weight to protect yourself against exceedingly rare projectiles is not really worth it, imo.

    • @tedhodge4830
      @tedhodge4830 4 года назад

      @@Howdy762 For $3 a round on the blue moon that someone has a carrier and a level 3+ that I'm not even sure it penetrates anyway.

    • @silversurfer8818
      @silversurfer8818 4 года назад +2

      Most countries have restrictions to IV and is available as government purchase only.

  • @retiredretired8496
    @retiredretired8496 4 года назад +6

    You can repeat this with a tungsten rod the rite diameter and a Hollow point or even drill a hole in a bullet and epoxy it in . I know it will not be as good but I am sure it would shoot good enough .I would personally use a copper bullet hollow point and buy the corresponding gage to fit so I could get a true to center as I could .

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +3

      That would be an interesting test

    • @retiredretired8496
      @retiredretired8496 4 года назад

      ​@@BuffRANGE I am a back yard ballistic tester of all things go bang myself :}

  • @steffenjespersen247
    @steffenjespersen247 4 года назад +7

    Very good test. Paul Harrell would be proud :)
    Very nice 9mm round.

  • @ToeCutter454
    @ToeCutter454 4 года назад +8

    interesting on the DM91, though it looks like an alternative to the 5.7x28mm which is intended to penetrate kevlar and tumble in soft tissue. UHMWPE performs as expected against standard rounds, even the kevlar as intended. as for steel plates i doubt it though i'm sure i'd leave a hell of a mark and would likely leave the tungsten fused to it, if you've ever watch Taofledermaus he's had some really wonky slugs on there but one of the very very few that were capable of penetrating IIIa steel plate was a light weight poly carbonate slug with a 1/4" hardened drill bit inserted into the tip. not sure out of a normal pistol that the DM91 would be capable of as much as you're losing the muzzle velocity, speed beats armor in most cases as more energy = more pokey power.

    • @whatsmolly5741
      @whatsmolly5741 Год назад

      These decap die inserts from carbide dies could definitely be repurposed for this application

  • @HowardLuken
    @HowardLuken 3 года назад +1

    I call that a FAIL no matter what. Sticking with the Safelife IIIa+ vest I ordered May, 2021 along with their new fras plates.

  • @mrwayne5158
    @mrwayne5158 Год назад +2

    7:28 DM91 Passthrough Shot

  • @GregsAutomotive
    @GregsAutomotive 10 месяцев назад +1

    It can stop the round at longer ranges. If i found a problem worth throwing a vest on 4 im probably not going to be this close. And not to mention ive seen people take 10+ full sized 9mm bullets to the torso and still be in the fight,and this round is much smaller you best bet even if you land a penetrating hit you are still in for a fight.

  • @varyingpierced
    @varyingpierced 2 года назад +1

    Funny shit….
    Safelife armor commercial right before THIS review…
    Hahaha……

  • @calangel
    @calangel 4 года назад +6

    Gotta get that 80gr SCS in a handload. Fort Scott's somewhat anemic (standard velocity) loading data gives a Power Pistol load that just about matches the velocity you get from the Evo...in a Glock 19. Silhouette powder will likely give you 1600fps or more from the G19 if you're willing to load to +P pressures.

    • @MyLonewolf25
      @MyLonewolf25 4 года назад

      I wonder what Norma r1 would do in 9x19

  • @Hellhorde.
    @Hellhorde. Год назад +3

    Not just the poly plate but also passed through that soft armor and made a massive cavity into more than an inch of clay and wanted to keep going, thats down right scary!

  • @AlmaAndFriends-i9h
    @AlmaAndFriends-i9h 8 месяцев назад +1

    Glad to see the THV being "wunderwaffe" myth is debunked.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  8 месяцев назад

      It would seem that's the case. Now a bullet like this does excel at aramid fiber penetration, but compared to some newer tech ammo, it falls behind. an 80gr solid copper bullet out penetrates this design..

  • @vashmatrix5769
    @vashmatrix5769 3 года назад +2

    If you can't get it in the US but you got did does it require special licensing or something?

  • @cascadianrangers728
    @cascadianrangers728 2 года назад +5

    I was rooting for the tungsten core, but I am flabbergasted it went through a iii plate AND a layer of soft armor!

  • @SmellMe54
    @SmellMe54 4 года назад +39

    Subbed, just for the LCD screen for velocity.

  • @mightyfinejonboy
    @mightyfinejonboy 4 года назад +2

    must be easy to make your own tungsten cored bullets, just get some cheap tungsten PCB drill bits, grind/snap off the end and use the shank in a drilled 9mm bullet. worth a try?

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      I would be worried about projectile stability.

    • @johnb.6468
      @johnb.6468 4 месяца назад

      Why not green TIG welding electrodes?

  • @AA-dn8dj
    @AA-dn8dj 4 года назад +5

    Oh snap. I know that feeling of forgetting hearing protection. oof

  • @Camelfacekamala
    @Camelfacekamala 4 года назад +3

    Never under estimate a 9mm

  • @nightwaves3203
    @nightwaves3203 4 года назад +4

    Typically velocity independent of weight defeats steel plates and for laminates weight defeats laminate plates.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +1

      It's not weight, so much as how resistant bullet is to melting and deformation.

  • @awsomedude9111
    @awsomedude9111 4 года назад +5

    Would have been cool to see if you had one more round to use in a G17/G19

  • @UnicornMeat512
    @UnicornMeat512 7 месяцев назад +2

    We found a bunch of those THV rounds in various captured weapons in iraq. I always wondered what they were. Thanks.

  • @tyeh114
    @tyeh114 4 года назад +4

    Excellent video. Low on BS chatter, high on good solid info. Great job!

  • @danielkolev
    @danielkolev 4 года назад +6

    At this point, the lead in bullets just acts like a sabot.

    • @joe125ful
      @joe125ful 4 года назад

      Yes or Slap 50 Cal.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +1

      Yep. It's actually an aluminum casing (not lead0, but it was stuck in the plate when I tore it apart)

  • @jagzilla1398
    @jagzilla1398 4 года назад +4

    Nice work bringing together those esoteric rounds..I'm surprised it went through level 3 and 3a at the same time..

  • @molochi
    @molochi 11 месяцев назад +1

    I'd love to find the specs on that tungsten penetrator (mass and diameter) to see what sectional energy it's hitting with. I'm still surprised it went through a supposed class III+ plate, but a hole is a hole.

  • @mikejeffsteel
    @mikejeffsteel 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for this test. I was looking for something like this on the whole internet but couldn't find anything.

  • @mrwayne5158
    @mrwayne5158 Год назад +2

    This should teach yall its not about the speed its about the material the bullet is made of. Of course distance is a factor as well but you get the point

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Год назад +1

      Right you are. Speed at times is one, but not always the sole factor for penetration.

  • @789know
    @789know 3 года назад +2

    This 9mm tungsten round is similar in principle to APDS.
    Besides, UHMWPE is very specific in which type of round penetrate sometime. Russian conduct experiment with these type of armor. They find out that 7.62x39(forget the type of round)at a certain velocity, will go through the plate meanwhile at higher velocity, the plate will stop it.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  3 года назад

      I have discovered this from time to time as well when I was doing some subsonic testing :D

  • @Drew4078
    @Drew4078 3 года назад +2

    I will just keep sharing your videos until you get 1 million subscribers 🤪 keep up the hard work my friend.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  3 года назад +1

      I'll take it! Every little bit helps!

  • @Shot_Gunner
    @Shot_Gunner 3 года назад +3

    Liberty defense ammo had similar results. And it’s readily available. Great video ☺️

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  3 года назад +10

      Liberty ammo can't penetrate level III. some types of IIIA yes, but not a rifle rated level III

  • @johsor1984
    @johsor1984 2 года назад +2

    I love that you do all of this obscure stuff!! Here's a challenge: Obtain and test the Gecko 9mm AP if you can find it. I hear they are rare as hens teeth. Fun fact: Gecko 9mm ap was used in the biggy smalls shooting.

  • @jamal69jackson77
    @jamal69jackson77 4 года назад +3

    It's quite amazing that Green Tip ammunition and other metal cored ammunition can defeat UHMWPE armor and yet some of that same type of armor can still stop standard 50 caliber ball ammo (not sure what the survivability percentages of receiving a hit by 50 cal whilst wearing body armor are, but I'm certain they are better than without). In any case, this is why I think the best armor plates are hybrid plates with both UHMWPE and either steel, ceramic, kevlar or other secondary bullet resistant materials. Lastly, my guess is that the tungsten core 9mm is definitely going to penetrate that armor, especially with that particular ammo coming in such a hot load.

  • @adrielkaua6418
    @adrielkaua6418 4 года назад +2

    Cool vídeo, New sub
    I am Wonder that even 9mm with tungsten core can penetrate 3+

  • @angry_zergling
    @angry_zergling 4 года назад +2

    Whaaaaaaaaat. I did not expect to see that. 9mm pill going 1600fps going through a 3+!
    I had been operating on the understanding that when it comes to personal body armor and small arms, velocity was 90%+ of the equation and materials and construction could rarely make a difference. Like with a 3+ plate, under 2800 or so fps I would have guessed it didn't matter if it was 50 grains or 124; .22 caliber or 9mm; lead, copper, steel, or tungsten. Within the range of common calibers and weights, say up to .45 cal and under 300 grains, you could only lower penetration velocity by a couple hundred FPS for a given plate by optimizing design and nothing too far beneath that 2800-ish would go in. Guess I was quite wrong.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      It's a almost a per material type consideration. When looking at UHMWPE used in this plate, bullet construction plays key. I have sent M80A1 at subonic velocities right through a plate like this, and M855A1 poked a bit out the back. Yet it can take M193 at over 3400 fps.
      Steel on the other hand, has troubles over 3100 fps for lead core types. It can handle M855 very well, and M855A1 as long as under 3000 fps.
      Ceramic needs speed and construction to defeat it.

    • @angry_zergling
      @angry_zergling 4 года назад

      @@BuffRANGE Fascinating. That’s the first I’ve learned of ceramic plates being significantly different from steel as far as what can penetrate a fresh plate. Good to know m855(non a1) has some practical applications now - back when I was new to guns there was talk of m855 being banned so I bought a bunch at inflated prices. Then I learned it was inferior to good old m193 in terminal performance AND penetration in all but a few specific scenarios and it wasn’t banned after all; so it is common and sucky. Well apparently not so sucky any longer with ceramic in play. =)

  • @ricardof2862
    @ricardof2862 2 года назад

    I would like to see that fast THV vs some gel

  • @chuckfinley3152
    @chuckfinley3152 4 года назад +3

    Need to get some zinc cast from Elvis ammo to test

  • @olekzajac5948
    @olekzajac5948 Год назад +1

    I wonder; is there any possibility some of the Russian 9mm _PDW ammo_ (7N21, 7N31 and so on) could achieve something similar?
    In other words, any chances you'd be able to test it?

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  Год назад +1

      I would think favorable results from those PDW rounds, but I have no way to acquire them in the US :(

    • @olekzajac5948
      @olekzajac5948 Год назад

      @@BuffRANGE Fair. I saw Flat Range Operator test 7N31 against a helmet visor - he supposedly got individual bullets _from a friend,_ so I wondered if it's a possibility. But I guess it's not the best time to ship sketchy ammo parts from Russia:)

  • @notachair4757
    @notachair4757 19 дней назад +1

    This is the video that made me sub to your channel

  • @Camelfacekamala
    @Camelfacekamala 4 года назад +2

    I’d really like to know how that tungsten round would perform out of my 10 -1/2” stainless bull barrel when loaded with a +p+ load. I really only mess with +p+ loads with my stainless bull barrel. I have the heavy buffer spring and 7oz buffer from kvp and weighted cmmg carrier tuned to run suppressed but i dont shoot suppressed BUT it acts like a delayed blowback with seriously hot loads in a ar set up. If you want to rock a serious 9mm ar pistol set up I would highly recommend my set up.

  • @davidhenderson3400
    @davidhenderson3400 4 года назад +3

    The scary part is with a drilling jig and some tungsten rod you can make this your self.

    • @chasemc69
      @chasemc69 4 года назад

      My first thought when he said how hard it is to get was "I got TIG(tungsten inert gas) electrodes in my garage that look about that size. That would be a hell of an experiment for his channel. How cool would it be to be able to make your own rounds that could Pierce 3A+ for under 50 bucks?

    • @davidhenderson3400
      @davidhenderson3400 4 года назад +1

      @@chasemc69 The problem is I think making such rounds would be illegal. The ATF would flip if he posted himself making them.

    • @chasemc69
      @chasemc69 4 года назад +1

      @@davidhenderson3400 ok just did a bunch of research and it seems that you're absolutely right about buying/selling ammo that is made out of tungsten or has a tungsten core. Whether or not you can have that ammo seems to be the gray area in the law. If he can legally possess the round that he shot, I can't see how it would be illegal to make more for personal/lawful use, right?

  • @MeatVision
    @MeatVision 4 месяца назад +1

    9:17 no effing way 😮

  • @DoingTheBestICan
    @DoingTheBestICan 2 года назад +2

    Still waiting for that Dagny Dagger APHP ammo to hit public manufacturing at some point. The stuff cuts through IIIA like butter

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  2 года назад

      I've been waiting too !

  • @chrisp.5272
    @chrisp.5272 4 года назад +3

    Awesome channel, I’ve been watching for years. I’m a big fan of both 9MM and 5.7x28mm.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +2

      Thank you for sticking around :D! I've been working on trying to get my hands on the Diamondback DBX and the EA 5.7 rifle :D

  • @Geekygordon
    @Geekygordon 4 года назад +2

    500 SW I don't care if it went through.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад +1

      Not really comparable to a 7.62x51...

  • @born2fish1976
    @born2fish1976 4 года назад +3

    Hey we want to see those .243 videos!

  • @maxford7451
    @maxford7451 4 года назад +3

    1554, aaand I forgot my ears. Been there. Cheers, good video.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      We were shooting 500 mag under a covered firing line today and was like NOPE I am wearing these MOFO the entire time until I step back from that line :D

  • @paulscountry456
    @paulscountry456 2 года назад +1

    Miniature copy of old WW2 76 mm APT round.

  • @danielmorris4585
    @danielmorris4585 Год назад

    Hi Could You Do Video 10 Metres Away And 20 Metres Away Same Bullets.. The Pistol Velocity Would Be Different

  • @SimonaDaRat
    @SimonaDaRat 8 месяцев назад

    Tungsten is EXTREAMLEY dense and strong , even so it’s a surprize it penetrated

  • @Nate_the_Nobody
    @Nate_the_Nobody 2 года назад +1

    Could you imagine something crazy like a full auto mac-11 in 9mm firing that DM91? It dumps ammo at 1,200rpm

    • @Mike-de2yt
      @Mike-de2yt 7 месяцев назад

      Mac 11 is not 9x19mm its 9x17mm / .380acp a big difference sadly

  • @user-oy9zy4ds9m
    @user-oy9zy4ds9m 4 года назад +2

    Amazing. I really wonder if the ceramic iii+ designed to stop m855 will have stopped this round??

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      Ehhh
      Sub IIIs, basically super IIIAs like the L210 will kitbosh basically any handgun ammo in existence, bar something spicy like the RSh-12
      A proper threat 3+ will bounce this shit easy.

  • @matthewhardwick365
    @matthewhardwick365 4 года назад +1

    Tnoutdoors10

  • @stuartlunsford7556
    @stuartlunsford7556 Год назад

    I don't trust UHMWPE at level III or III+. Steel is all or nothing for days, ceramic is all for a while...PE is idk.

  • @limabravo6065
    @limabravo6065 7 месяцев назад

    If you go to lowes or home depot, tractor supply or whatever, they'll have a welding section. In there youll find tungsten rods used in tig welding, as it is as close to indestructible as metal comes from straight off the periodic table. Highest melting point extremely hard just some seriously durable albeit real heavy metal. If you reload and can operate a drill, you can cut the tungsten rod into smaller pieces, and fit those bits into your projectile of choice after having drilled a hole in the round. And Bing bang boom tungsten cored ammo, that will absolutely go through all kinds of things 😉 I can personally attest to these things punching windows into my old engine as sort of a backyard hey I wonder if this shit will work kind of litmus test, and from 80 yards out with a 16"barrel generic as it gets Ar15 with my custom fmj reloads, the rounds punched through the block which is cast iron so ehh, but inside they dorked up every connecting rod they contacted. Yeah its a pain in the ass to do all this and it's not for range day plinking, but if some blm / antifa peaceful rioter is trying to burn down your home or business and the little bastard is hiding behind a trucks front end these could be a problem solver. Just don't buy the red tungsten rods they have thorium in them and are slightly radioactive and that's just shit you don't want to breath in if it's at all avoidable

  • @FatRefrigerator
    @FatRefrigerator 4 года назад +3

    How do you think something like the Dragon Fang or T6B would handle this?

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      Dragon Fang? T6B?
      *What?*

    • @oldls7t_211
      @oldls7t_211 2 года назад

      Not good those rounds are overhyped as fuck it's just a chunk of soft copper milled out to look more dangerous in reality its a tiny bit better than ss190 if it's better at all.

  • @daleb1225
    @daleb1225 4 года назад +2

    I think it went threw but I also thought the 9mm going 2200 fps would have also.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +1

      I tore this plate down after another test and indeed it went through.

    • @jdhill770
      @jdhill770 3 года назад

      @@BuffRANGE so the brass thv did go through? I thought that looked like a pretty decent hole at the impact site.

  • @miketyson8933
    @miketyson8933 Год назад

    When I heard it go off and heard the 1600 FPS and the small point its like a miniature version of those cone bombs the terrorists were using to cut through the vehicle armor!! The German pistol round that was made to compete with the 5.7. I have Hesco Level 4 ceramic and thats the way to go unless you lre a baller and you get the Safelife soft Rifle armor and get hit with the new rounds from that 6.4 I think it is

  • @zoltanc.h2230
    @zoltanc.h2230 3 года назад

    Plastic armor is light but wont hold up to 556 green tip, 5.56 green tip will zip trough that ,weird 308 ball will not penetrate .... 5.56 ball no penetration .. plastic armor helps around water go swimming with 3+ steel plates ...lol
    ceramic plates best of bought worlds...

  • @bluecollarnobody4217
    @bluecollarnobody4217 Год назад

    This is a good thing I don’t mind rifle ammo they can penetrate body armor, but your average dirtbag doesn’t carry a rifle
    Your average dirtbag carries pistols. I don’t want bad guys being able to get their hands on armor, piercing ammunition for their handguns.

  • @generic_sauce
    @generic_sauce Год назад

    It's a unique round and all, but if your level 3 plate can't stop a 9mil, probably should get your money back 😬

  • @XxMrxxOhioxxMobbxX2024
    @XxMrxxOhioxxMobbxX2024 4 месяца назад

    I wonder if it is legal to build your own armor piercing ammo? For personal use?

  • @misc376
    @misc376 4 года назад +4

    damn left a sizeable hole too.

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      Poor terminal. AP ammo won't deal much, it has all the terminal of a needle.

  • @calebmendoza5067
    @calebmendoza5067 Год назад

    They make these bullets in America to penetrate armor, they are very similar to this round, thugnsten core, but only available to L.E.

  • @albertwescombe6569
    @albertwescombe6569 4 года назад +1

    Who cares about body shots. With body armour, head shots are the way to go. You can't at this time protect all of your head.

  • @m1a1abramstank49
    @m1a1abramstank49 3 года назад +2

    Imagine the cost of these rounds in 2021...

    • @stevenmerlock9971
      @stevenmerlock9971 3 года назад

      10x assuming you could find it. I suspect a trip to AshCanIstan will be in order to locate some.

  • @sporkstar1911
    @sporkstar1911 4 года назад +1

    Fun Fact... The curves of the THV ammunition are the same sort of idea as the Xtreme Penetrator/Defender ammunition. But it definitely aids in armor penetration, and you dont want to market that to cops. So the Screwdriver bullets (besides feeding better) have the extra cross section so it cant penetrate. But still gets the extra fluid damage.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      Extra fluid damage? That's largely been unproven to my knowledge, and most of their bullets aren't even approaching rifle like velocities where that happens. My judgement on those bullets is still out, but perhaps there will be an LE evaluation of them at some point.

  • @nightcat87
    @nightcat87 2 года назад +2

    Man I found your videos from SGammo. Your videos are always good.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  2 года назад +1

      sGammo is good people! Thanks for stopping by

  • @CoolGuyPlays1
    @CoolGuyPlays1 4 года назад +3

    Great video! Awesome to see these quirky rounds in use.

  • @mtower235
    @mtower235 4 года назад +1

    Nice 👍

  • @frankmurphy7234
    @frankmurphy7234 4 года назад +3

    I seen a vid on RUclips a while back where they had ammunition from Germany that can penetrate level three

  • @luchackcadler1438
    @luchackcadler1438 4 года назад

    It's dangerous weapon against police armor, their dead if civilian fired in on bad armord police.

  • @Kana_108_
    @Kana_108_ 6 месяцев назад

    Amazing !!!! Thank you so much for sharing this!!! I'm subscribing to everything on your channel now!
    Thank you so much!! I absolutely ❤MP5 !!!!
    ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  6 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for subbing!

  • @bluebanana6753
    @bluebanana6753 4 года назад +1

    The 39b is still quite common in civilian hands in sweden i for example have over 500 for worse times. Its getting harder to get but still doable.
    A dude tested it on a swedish steel helmet vs regular nato load the nato didnt penetrate the helmet but the 39b punched thru even the back.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +1

      M39B is some rad stuff!

  • @itsamk18-ish
    @itsamk18-ish 4 года назад +2

    In the beginning you said it’s a 3+ plate at the end you said if you step up to a 3+ plate results may vary. Was this in fact a 3+ plate? Either way still impressive

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +2

      Yeah sorry. I meant a ceramic strike face or even a level III+ steel plate. This is really only considered iii+ because it stops m193.

    • @itsamk18-ish
      @itsamk18-ish 4 года назад

      Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Cool, still like I said either way impressive. So 3+ steel plates protect against m855 where uhmwpe protect against m193 ? Awesome stuff.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад +1

      @@itsamk18-ish Yep. Armor advantages are very much based on materials. UHMWPE seen here can stop very fast moving bullets, but have issues with hardened materials like the penetrator in M855. Steel can stop M855 and even M855A1 (as long as it's under 3000 fps), but any M193 going over 3100 fps it will have trouble with. Ceramic backed with UHMWPE stops many varied types of bullets depending on how thick the ceramic is.

    • @itsamk18-ish
      @itsamk18-ish 4 года назад +1

      Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Good to know, I have a level 3 set uhmwpe + ceramic then the same in level 4 .... I’ve been tempted to shoot at it but we may end up needing it lol. Thanks for the info .... gotta get your high paid camera assistants back next video lol

    • @KoishiVibin
      @KoishiVibin 4 года назад

      @@BuffRANGE
      I wouldn't consider it Threat 3+ tbh. M193 is a given for any classification threes worth their salt.

  • @thevalorousdong7675
    @thevalorousdong7675 4 года назад +2

    That top right brass round on the thumbnail looks like a whistle lol

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      Good old THV 9mm. Interesting design.

    • @thevalorousdong7675
      @thevalorousdong7675 4 года назад

      @@BuffRANGE oh yea, i was surprised at the velocity man. That thing was *cooking* it for a 9x19

  • @bakionigeri6414
    @bakionigeri6414 Год назад

    ..... we need to normalized wearing lv4 armour lol

  • @jasonpaulst.pierre7191
    @jasonpaulst.pierre7191 3 месяца назад

    Why try to test with the longest barrel you can find? Most people are shooting 4”-5” barrels today. The longer barrel taints the real world results for most people especially for CCW folks shooting compact and sub compact handguns.

    • @emilysmith6897
      @emilysmith6897 2 месяца назад

      Yeah. If you're going to be shooting a long gun and want to penetrate armor, just use a rifle round. Much cheaper and much more widely available. The whole point of an armor piercing 9mm round is to be able to pierce armor with a handgun. Could even be a full size handgun cause you could conceal it even though it's inconvenient.

  • @khaledalhamdany6363
    @khaledalhamdany6363 3 года назад

    good

  • @felixcat9318
    @felixcat9318 4 года назад +1

    It came as no surprise that this particular round defeated the plate and the panel behind it.
    Simply looking at the cross section confirms that this has superior penetration capability!
    It in no way reflects badly on the plate as it is clearly not designed or constructed to provide protection against such a specialised projectile.
    Interesting channel, interesting tests.

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      Thanks :D I like testing interesting things because there's always a lot of myths and speculations about performance of specialized rounds and their effectiveness against things like armor.

  • @elmeramuro
    @elmeramuro Год назад

    oh my croips, bad ass little cartridge

  • @jeffrey4547
    @jeffrey4547 4 года назад +1

    one thing to remember is ur doing a direct hit witch is rare in a gun fight it's been known to deflect a 30-06 just wont do it direct hit

    • @BuffRANGE
      @BuffRANGE  4 года назад

      true. The second you increase the hit angle you increase the performance of the armor to a degree. MIL-46100E 1/4" won't stop M2AP 30-06 head on, but it can at a 45° angle.