its about time someone showed the true effort needed to process hard stones… i cut some small stones on one of my old metal lathes, but did not have rigid enough setup, so it didn’t work out that great. As a hobbyist machinist and an amateur stone sculptor i am extremely impressed!!great work!
It’s always nice when you get a compliment from someone who understands how much work goes into getting such a result. Thank you. I’ll add that I also started at the hobby level and it took me a lot of time, mistakes and not successful jobs to get here. And still learning and I'm very far from being a master of my craft. And maybe someday I will be able to impress you again.
@@madeofstone7619 Congratulations very well done, I also work with stone and been fascinated by the ancient stone masons craftsmanship, do you have any ideas on how they accomplished such pieces over 4000 years ago. Thanks again for your very fine work
😅 Nope, a true believer in estabilishment egyptology would definitely tell,you, that this all is doable with copper chisels, pounding stones and sand as polishing agent.😤😂 Great, and terrifying work, subscribed 👍..
I started video thinking this was going to be a joke. Ended video super-impressed. Subbed and liked. Hey, have you seen the YT videos of pre-Egyptian granite vases? Accurate to within microns. Serious folks taking serious measurements. Several vases were measured with precision gauges but one they 3D scanned for the microns measurements. Amazing.
Thanks for support. I have been to Egypt and am also very impressed by the ancient stone processing technologies. And yes, you're right, it just blows your mind. In the future, I plan to make a series of videos about ancient technologies because there are a lot of myths about who did it and how. So stay tuned.
@@madeofstone7619 how would you turn the area between the handles of the vases to the same precision and curvature as the rest of the vase? Genuine question, because that is the real conundrum. Also, can you get within 1/1000th of an inch of precision on smaller scale objects using your methods?
Also in India too. The carvings are off the scale of wonder. They must have had lathes to carve pillars as there is no other way. I found this video really interesting. Well done !
Thank you. The ancients had some kind of lathe. In the technologies of the past there are many very smart solutions that made it possible to do those miracles that surprise us even today
@@madeofstone7619 And even when craftsmen as yourself demonstrates what it takes to work hard stone like this, mainstream historic voices claim the ancients used mallets, copper chisels and pounding stones to produce the most beautiful, delicate and precise stone masonry imaginable.
if they had lathes did they have motors i have seen many drawings on ancient india which look like motors, could they produce copper wire then tho, its possible or it was done without motors combustion engine or human force. But there must have been a lathe which i wish was still around for us to see it sadly they have likely rusted into obilvion by now.
Thank you. In this case, I did not use the tailstock as it simply got in the way of the carriage. Also, the diameter of the part is twice its length, and with this ratio you can work without support. This setup is not very rigid but is suitable for this project. In the near future I plan to make the machine also beautiful, so stay tuned.
This is one of the most wonderful and amazing works of art I have ever experienced watching. The restoration of the lathe alone is a feat of engineering in itself also. 👍 👍 👍
Thank you. This is my way of showing respect to our ancestors who worked on developing technology so that in the 21st century I could control the machine from my home computer
I was a machinist for 40 years, nice to see a beat up old lathe get a second life. Don't think I'd use an electric angle grinder in a wet situation like that, could be a shocking experience 😬 I'd go with an air grinder. Beautiful work.👍
Thank you. The lathe is a project in itself. I will continue restoring the machine in the next videos. And don't worry about the water. The saw drive is designed to operate in wet environments
Awesome on every level. The lathe conversion, the granite, the cinematic intro, even screwing a nut on all thread. Good luck man, it's just a matter of time before you have success with videos like these.
Oh, thank you very much. It's even more pleasant to hear such a positive review from you. I've been a subscriber to your channel for quite a long time.)))
Wow,nice.also great job refurbishing the old lathe. Have ever studied those granite boxes in Egypt to figure out they polished them? It would have been a total body work out if done by hand.
As for restoring the lathe, I have just started. There is still a lot of work there. As for polishing, I’m studying this issue right now. Since polishing by hand is the only way to achieve the result I need in one of my projects. stay tuned
Thank You. I always admire someone who takes the time and effort to resurrect anything old. I will be very interested to hear your take on how the Ancients got those stone vases so perfect.
Thank you. Restoration work will continue. So stay tuned. As for ancient vases and other breathtaking objects, I am sure that this can be done with a primitive tool. More precisely, we tend to talk about ancient instruments as primitive. But they weren’t, rather they were brilliant in their simplicity.
Beautiful work but can't help thinking about ancient Egyptians making vases with no hole through the middle and vessles with integrated handles. We have much to learn.
In the 80's and 90's we used loose abrasives, carborundum dry stones and wet sintered bricks for our turned stone work. We also modified older heavy cast metal working machinery until we could afford top notch German and Italian machines. Great job this should be very inspring for enthusiasts and younger future stone masons. I'm 4th generation with 4 decades in the trade mostly retired but thats the most us masons ever retire is semi-. Cheers
Oh, thank you very much for your comment. It means a lot to me to hear messages like this from people who have experience in the industry. When it comes to machines , my passion is rebuilding or building from scratch things that would otherwise end up in scrap metal. I'm glad you liked my video. Thanks again.
Thank you. The stone is Ukrainian granite called Maple Red. I work exclusively with private clients. Moreover, I plan to reduce the number of orders from clients and focus on my own projects. Since I work alone and there is a certain amount of work that I can complete per unit of time
First of all, thank you. As for Egypt, as far as I know, after reaching a certain size of the part, the part was no longer rotated; the tool rotated around the part. The Egyptians were much smarter than is commonly believed)))
That makes sense. Especially when the columns include intricate capitals. It seems like it would need to be a CNC machine on a grand scale. I would love to see a drawing of something like that.
First off, BEAUTIFUL work. Machining something as hard as granite is no joke, and restoring that lathe to operational is rad, I would love to do the same someday. Very impressive work. Now, how hard would it be to make it uniform down to 1/1000th of an inch, and how hard would it be to core out the inside of it and make it so that the wall thickness is about .02" thick, also keeping it within a thousandths of an inch tolerance, without chipping it? Could you do it without a lathe or any steel/diamond tools? And if not, then how did the pre-dynastic Egyptians do it over 5000 years ago, before the use of the wheel, or even iron tools? I only ask this because recently there has been an investigation into some of the more than 40,000 vases found under one of the pyramids, that were made in this fashion. They were made out of granite and schist, diorite, corundum, etc, and were dated (by what they were buried with) as being pre-dynastic. Some of them are so thin that the granite actually becomes transparent. There are no tool marks on them, and many are not only made within 1000th of an inch tolerance, they are made geometrically perfect, using advanced mathematical properties, and anyone who's tried working with this stuff (like you) would be a welcomed and powerful voice in the conversation about how these things could have been made thousands of years ago without any metal tools or even the wheel. It's a big mystery. There's no question on how old they are, there's no question on what they are made of, and there's no interest within archaeology to understand how it was done, they say "we were only concerned with what was inside of them, not how they were made". It's a baffling mystery, and anyone who works with this material would be able to understand it more than the average person. Look up Uncharted-X on youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about.
First of all - thank you. As for the video with the vases, I watched it. You must understand that I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist, so everything I say should not be taken as a fact, but only my opinion. I have doubts about the appearance of these vases and such accuracy. Firstly, erosion. How they survived 5000 years to the present day in this condition. I know that Egypt has a good climate and much of what was found was buried almost in a vacuum, but still. Secondly, as far as I know, having valuables from Egypt in private collections is prohibited by law. Of course some people have them in their hands. But I don’t think such people will demonstrate this publicly. Third. I personally have been to Egypt. I saw many similar vases and not one was in such perfect condition as the ones in the video. And also the methods and facts that are shown in the video are not entirely scientific to convince me of the reliability of the information they provide. To put the question differently, is it possible to make such a vase with a simple tool? I think yes. For example, high-precision surface plates are still made by hand. Of course, the machine does most of the work. But precise adjustment is done by hand.
Ben is repeating the same bs statements over and over again. Not all 40,000 vases are diorite and not all diorite vases share the same geometric precision. The vases he showcasing are with questionable origin. One of them spinning diorite vase is presented with document provenance from 1962. Keep in mind that in 1962 where were already able to space craft parts with higher precision than 1/1000 of an inch. In fact the first lathe showcased with 1/1000 of an inch precision was in 1851 by Joseph Whitworth, you have to check him and his works. This was 173 years ago. Knowing the human cunning nature and ingenuity I am inclined to think that these are modern day knock offs made in the last 100-150 years with the sole purpose to cash money naive artifact collectors. Also while the body of the cute little vase he showcased like 10 times is geometrically perfect(which is not the right word at all and many times misused by UnchartedX) the love handler are asymmetrical and this is the hardest part to work on. I guess @madeofstone7619 might give us an idea how these handles are shaped. My theory is whoever made these vases used a lathe that can do partial back and forth revolution to grind out the material between the handles, that would 180 degrees minus the horizontal width of the handle and the vase must be turn at certain angle.
I know for sure that they had lathes, or rather some semblance of lathes. But only their stone foundations have survived to this day. Therefore, I cannot say exactly how they worked. I know for sure that the historical heritage was made by people. Great masters of their craft.
I'd for sure want to do this on a vertical lathe and with a wrap around everything to stop that grit from getting into everything and destroying it. I think that lathe would be all but destroyed by this. A miracle the bearings lasted through this due to stress. I was expecting some support from a tail stock center. All is well that ends well but I'd be worried this did invisible - at least in this video - damage to the lathe on several fronts: Abrasive damage to all moving parts and destroyed bearing from both a heavy load and an unbalanced load.
Thanks for your comment. Do not worry. I made sure that the spindle of this machine is designed to hold twice the weight of the part in the video without tailstock support. As for the guides, they are already dead and I plan to rebuild the entire structure anyway. If we talk about cutting forces, they can be neglected since the saw blade rotates and cuts instead of a stationary cutter. Also the work was performed at very low speeds of about 4 rpm. to solve the problem of unbalanced load. But given the choice, I would choose a vertical lathe. And here I absolutely agree with you.
Thanks a lot. In fact, moving it is not very difficult if you have a forklift and a crane. I stripped it down a little so now the machine weighs about 5 tons.
The columns that you saw in the background are installed on the bases made in this video. Unfortunately, my customer has banned the display of the entire product on RUclips. The only piece of video about these columns is in my channel trailer ruclips.net/video/yudTdLtMgAI/видео.html&ab_channel=Madeofstone But this is not the only project with columns. So there will definitely be a video about large columns. stay tuned
It's my dream to make a waterjet one day. But in this case, waterjet cutting will not work. The stone is too thick and the thicker the stone, the less accurate the cut will be. It will also be extremely messy since there is no way to stop the stream of water. Thank you for your comment)
Agree. I'm talking in general and not about specific construction projects. The Great Pyramid was actually built in 25-30 years but by 10,000 workers. But the Karnak Temple took about 1200 years to build@@MB-vk8cv
Love everything about this. Genius! How did the ancients create ther perfect granite bowls and statues. Ask this gentleman who appears to be a descendant of a super long lineage Obrigado
Thank you for the compliments. But I'm just an ordinary guy who loves his job and worked hard to achieve these results. But in any case, I appreciate your words
I'm not an expert. This is just my opinion and the information I could find. But: large rectangular blocks were processed with a “hammer and chisel” to a certain degree of precision. Angles of 90 degrees are not that difficult to maintain. The Egyptians knew the Pythagorean theorem. As for polishing, there are several opinions. One of the most common is a wooden block with small particles of abrasive (harder stone) embedded in it. To check the plane, they used the same method as now - a surface plate.
I'll take that as a compliment. Because I compete with two things that can hardly be called less interesting. I would choose one of them over my channel😅
I am familiar with the channel and its content. Not the kind of videos I would watch The author asks more questions than he answers. As for the vases, I can still believe that they were made so precisely, but I still cannot believe that this accuracy has been preserved to this day. Moreover, I was in Egypt personally and saw vases that all had traces of erosion which those in the video do not have. But this is just my opinion and I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist.
Thanks for the reply :) . Yeah I agree that the vases seem to be a little too well preserved. They also don't explain the history of the pieces in much detail. Putting that to the side for a moment.. So you're saying that level of accuracy is possible with hand tools an no lathe? Do you know of any examples or artists that only work with hand tools?@@madeofstone7619
Egyptians knew pottery wheel and some sort of lathe. Consider that and hand tools, and yes i believe it`s possible. Moreover, extremely accurate stone plates are still finished by hand to this day. If you are interested in stone processing by hand check out this channel www.youtube.com/@charlie.gee__/videos@@aarondavidson6409
I'm still studying this. And definitely not an Egyptologist. So this is not a professional opinion. But in general the method is like this. The product was processed directly at the quarry. Then transported to the burial site. As for these particular sarcophagi archaeologists find traces of rollers on the floor of the galleries, and found two wooden horizontal winches, each operated with eight levers, in one of the niches.
First of all thank you for interesting comment. Yes, you are right, with the “down hill” strategy there will be less lateral loads. But as i said this machine is in "rebuild" process. And i still have decent backlash on my Y axis. So I have to machine the part in one pass without interrupting the cut.
Replace: Stepper motors with a bunch of burly blokes on the cranks. Electric tools with a couple of craftsmen with chisels and iron files. PC and CNC software with several negative wood and metal patterns/models. The lathe with a machinery that had to be partially rebuilt for each job and lubricated with animal fat. ....and you will get a lathe from ancient Rome.
@@madeofstone7619 The work you did on the lathe and the solutions you found to adapt it to the work you need to do are spectacular. I saw some of your answers regarding the same type of work and the desire to investigate how it was done in ancient times: I remember that there are at least 2 texts in Latin that talk about the methodology of how they made the columns and at least one archaeological discovery of the patterns they used as a track. (southern Italy if I'm not mistaken) The texts are magnificent and hilarious: the Romans loved to be smug about their culture and technology. (with every right to do so)
If you have any information about ancient technology that can be trusted, please share. I'm doing a little research here. Maybe this will help. Thank you@@carlettoburacco9235
@@madeofstone7619 Unfortunately I have nothing except memories: I saw the texts in high school doing translations from Latin (a million years ago): I absolutely don't remember who the author was, I only remember that they concerned the era of the Roman Republic but a lot of it had been written time later. The reference to the finding of the templates was in a television documentary in 2000/2004 in Italy: sadly content in Italian is difficult to find online.
Unfortunately, finding something reliable online is difficult in general. But in any case, thank you very much for your support and valuable comments. You also have an incredible memory.😊@@carlettoburacco9235
3:37 > 6:17 and 9:27 > 12:17 This is "ASMR for Granite Guys" !!! Ok, you can have the name and idea for second RUclips Channel no charge ha ha;-) Seriously - the polishing segment is really therapeutic to watch. You could start a new niche market plus generate significant income in emerging ASMR culture !
They didn't. If you study the authentic vases and various radial artifacts they have obvious flaws. The smaller objects seem more accurate but this is mostly because of visual scale.
@@madeofstone7619 Not many things can survive (beside stone) for.that many years.. Think about that. What would actually survive ? Especially after being in an area that was humid, had plenty of rain, etc.. Not a desert...
Do not worry. I use air tools where it is convenient. As for electricity, all these tools are protected from water in one way or another. I have been working with stone for a long time and am aware of the risks of electric shock. Thank you
No. The disc itself is sold separately. Diamond segments depending on the task separately. Then they are soldered onto the disk using a special device. It`s so scary because it`s been through a lot of abuse.
Honestly, I don’t understand how mainstream egyptologists don’t simply admit that the feats we see were produced by high tech (at least as good as is shown in this video) tools… we did it today, they did it back then… it’s not like they were somehow dumber than us… they may not have had mars and moon landers or hypersonic missiles and jets but I’m preeeeety sure they could figure out how to lathe granite or use saws… we find plenty of tube drill markings and if they managed to cut cores out of the hardest stone next to diamond with tube drills, I am pretty damn sure they also had the skills to unwrap that tube drill into a straight line and make it move back and forth or to turn it into a circle rather than a tube… I mean come on… it’s really not rocket science…
First of all, thanks for the comment. I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist. But due to my profession, I am interested in ancient technologies. So modern science does not tell us that they did everything with a hammer and a chisel. There are remains of ancient lathes and other devices. In general, the ancients were quite smart people. Much smarter than is commonly believed. For example, the Egyptians used the Pythagorean theorem long before it was formulated by Pythagoras himself.
@@madeofstone7619 thanks for the response! :) I agree, we have something like 150K years of human history behind us (genetically identical humans), so I can only imagine what kind of things we have managed to accomplish in that amount of time. I also wonder whether technology and science progresses in such a way as to be very different each time a civilization rises and falls (basically, if we believe we are the first for advanced tech, maybe they had completely different looking advanced tech so we don’t even see it’s remains today because it was so different from ours that it left no traces or somehow blends in - for example, a high understanding of resonance frequencies and tools to accomplish work with it, or the theory of great pyramids being power plants, or any other number of tools/tricks we can’t imagine working today, something not based on electronics/etc). Then I consider the age of the Earth and life on Earth and wonder whether there could have been multiple intelligent species in the past millions of years before we appeared.
I watched this video. Interesting channel but I have doubts about this accuracy. I'm not an expert but granite erosion is ten millimeters in ten thousand years. I can assume that these finds were well kept from weather conditions, etc. I can also assume that initially the vases had such precision. And still, they would not have survived to this day with these high tolerances. For example, the meter and kilogram standards are stored in vacuum chambers and still become smaller over a relatively short period of time.
The lug handles are misaligned as are the lugs holes off-centred. The vase is not symmetrically balanced and the polishing is a very low Lustre finish. These are not exacting standards for accuracy in stonework. Who knows, maybe it is precise to its master model which contains all these deficiencies exactly.
@@GroberWeisenstein the handles are likely secondary to the intended fuction of the vase. you still ignored the extreme precision elements of the vase that simply wasn't possible prior to the 1980s.
Beautiful work...! However I am having a hard time finding out the methods that were used as you see in the old world Greco/Roman buildings or for that matter old world buildings found worldwide....AND having column bases with 3 foot or even 6 foot bases. Cheers
Thank you. Since this topic is so interesting and broad, it is difficult to answer in the comments. People have literally written books about it. In short, with a hammer, a chisel and hard work. Maybe I'll make a video in the future about ancient technology
I'm thinking more and more that I need to make a video on this topic. There are a lot of myths and misunderstandings. Were the creations of our ancestors great? Absolutely. 0.0001 inch accuracy? I doubt it
Don't worry about the machine. As I said in the video, it is in the process of recovery.😉 In the condition in which I bought it, it was just scrap metal. This way it will get a new life
Was this a piece of pink granite? I want to see more of your works. I subscribed to your channel and you definitely get a thumbs up. Once again it is great.
Are you from Ukraine? Either way you are a genius and if you are from Ukraine it explains why they are so innovative. I wish I could do what you are doing with stone work. Yes can't wait to see your next video.
Yes sir. I am Ukrainian. But i`m not consider myself as a genius. Rather hardworking ordinary man with extraordinary will to make my job right no matter what. Anyway thank you for compliment.😉@@ralph72462
@@madeofstone7619 The more I learn about Ukraine and it's people the more they amaze me. "Extraordinary will" coupled with Extraordinary creativity and "hard work"... I admire that very much. Slava Ukraine!
its about time someone showed the true effort needed to process hard stones… i cut some small stones on one of my old metal lathes, but did not have rigid enough setup, so it didn’t work out that great. As a hobbyist machinist and an amateur stone sculptor i am extremely impressed!!great work!
It’s always nice when you get a compliment from someone who understands how much work goes into getting such a result. Thank you. I’ll add that I also started at the hobby level and it took me a lot of time, mistakes and not successful jobs to get here. And still learning and I'm very far from being a master of my craft. And maybe someday I will be able to impress you again.
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Congratulations very well done, I also work with stone and been fascinated by the ancient stone masons craftsmanship, do you have any ideas on how they accomplished such pieces over 4000 years ago. Thanks again for your very fine work
Thank you. As for how it was done, the technique has remained the same to this day. Templates and elbow grease@@scottmills3185 😉
I take this as proof on an ancient pre-dynastic civilization in Egypt
I now have a great responsibility. I'll try not to disappoint in the future videos. Thank you
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@@madeofstone7619 With great responsibility comes great POWER!
Congrats, oh new handsome overlord
Now I'm also embarrassed@@TheChzoronzon ☺but I accept my new title😆
Hollow it out then add handles
😅 Nope, a true believer in estabilishment egyptology would definitely tell,you, that this all is doable with copper chisels, pounding stones and sand as polishing agent.😤😂 Great, and terrifying work, subscribed 👍..
I started video thinking this was going to be a joke. Ended video super-impressed. Subbed and liked.
Hey, have you seen the YT videos of pre-Egyptian granite vases? Accurate to within microns. Serious folks taking serious measurements. Several vases were measured with precision gauges but one they 3D scanned for the microns measurements. Amazing.
Thanks for support. I have been to Egypt and am also very impressed by the ancient stone processing technologies. And yes, you're right, it just blows your mind. In the future, I plan to make a series of videos about ancient technologies because there are a lot of myths about who did it and how. So stay tuned.
hell yeah brother
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There is no provenance for the scanned vase its likely a replicated vase since the owner was caught in a lie about its authenticity
@@madeofstone7619 how would you turn the area between the handles of the vases to the same precision and curvature as the rest of the vase? Genuine question, because that is the real conundrum. Also, can you get within 1/1000th of an inch of precision on smaller scale objects using your methods?
Also in India too. The carvings are off the scale of wonder. They must have had lathes to carve pillars as there is no other way. I found this video really interesting. Well done !
Thank you. The ancients had some kind of lathe. In the technologies of the past there are many very smart solutions that made it possible to do those miracles that surprise us even today
@@madeofstone7619 And even when craftsmen as yourself demonstrates what it takes to work hard stone like this, mainstream historic voices claim the ancients used mallets, copper chisels and pounding stones to produce the most beautiful, delicate and precise stone masonry imaginable.
The giant pillars in india and elsewhere that appear to have been turned on some kind of lathe are not from granite but from soapstone.
if they had lathes did they have motors i have seen many drawings on ancient india which look like motors, could they produce copper wire then tho, its possible or it was done without motors combustion engine or human force. But there must have been a lathe which i wish was still around for us to see it sadly they have likely rusted into obilvion by now.
Waterwheel, and diamond bit like how the intaligos were carved
The process of turning stone into a piece of art is mesmerising! 😍
The beginning of the video is scary though 😮
So I managed to balance everything, it's scary enough to scare you, but not scary enough to make you stop watching.😁
I clicked on this out of pure curiosity. I appreciate the incredible craftsmanship and I also enjoyed the humor which made this really fun to watch!
Thank you. Your curiosity helped me a lot.😉
Beautiful work, love the lathe. Very surprised you don’t need support from the tailstock.
Thank you. In this case, I did not use the tailstock as it simply got in the way of the carriage. Also, the diameter of the part is twice its length, and with this ratio you can work without support. This setup is not very rigid but is suitable for this project. In the near future I plan to make the machine also beautiful, so stay tuned.
Great video and beautiful piece of granite art you created , well done!
Thanks for the nice words😊
This is one of the most wonderful and amazing works of art I have ever experienced watching. The restoration of the lathe alone is a feat of engineering in itself also. 👍 👍 👍
Thank you once again. I hope you enjoy the next videos as much as this one
Incredible work and a beautiful piece!... I'm surprised you didn't just use copper chisels and dolerite pounding stones though?... 😀
Thank you. This is my way of showing respect to our ancestors who worked on developing technology so that in the 21st century I could control the machine from my home computer
I was a machinist for 40 years, nice to see a beat up old lathe get a second life. Don't think I'd use an electric angle grinder in a wet situation like that, could be a shocking experience 😬 I'd go with an air grinder. Beautiful work.👍
Thank you. The lathe is a project in itself. I will continue restoring the machine in the next videos. And don't worry about the water. The saw drive is designed to operate in wet environments
GFCI. I been using electric grinders with water for decades its never an issue.
@@GroberWeisenstein Good for you, hope your luck holds out👍
Awesome on every level. The lathe conversion, the granite, the cinematic intro, even screwing a nut on all thread. Good luck man, it's just a matter of time before you have success with videos like these.
Oh, thank you very much. It's even more pleasant to hear such a positive review from you. I've been a subscriber to your channel for quite a long time.)))
Wow,nice.also great job refurbishing the old lathe.
Have ever studied those granite boxes in Egypt to figure out they polished them?
It would have been a total body work out if done by hand.
As for restoring the lathe, I have just started. There is still a lot of work there. As for polishing, I’m studying this issue right now. Since polishing by hand is the only way to achieve the result I need in one of my projects. stay tuned
Amazing work! Now i’m convince about ancient civilization. Imagine those giant granite sculptures in Egypt and India
Thank you for your nice words
I like how the corners are still crisp after polishing
Thank you. I like it too
Amazing machine, great process, beautiful result!
Thank you. I really appreciate your support
Thank You. I always admire someone who takes the time and effort to resurrect anything old. I will be very interested to hear your take on how the Ancients got those stone vases so perfect.
Thank you. Restoration work will continue. So stay tuned. As for ancient vases and other breathtaking objects, I am sure that this can be done with a primitive tool. More precisely, we tend to talk about ancient instruments as primitive. But they weren’t, rather they were brilliant in their simplicity.
Thank you for that well-documented process.
You're welcome. Thank you for your comment
Beautiful work but can't help thinking about ancient Egyptians making vases with no hole through the middle and vessles with integrated handles. We have much to learn.
You are absolutely right. I'm also fascinated by ancient Egypt. Thank you
I echo some of the comments of nice to see someone "SKILLED" at craftsmanship like this, well done 👍
Thank you for your support. It's always nice to see someone appreciate your effort😊
Great to see how it is done today, still I wonder how they did it in ancient times.
Thank you. With very hard work and simple but ingenious tools
The ghost of the person who originally bought the machine is watching you with pleasure.
Thank you. In the next videos I will try to make him proud of me. stay tuned
In the 80's and 90's we used loose abrasives, carborundum dry stones and wet sintered bricks for our turned stone work. We also modified older heavy cast metal working machinery until we could afford top notch German and Italian machines. Great job this should be very inspring for enthusiasts and younger future stone masons. I'm 4th generation with 4 decades in the trade mostly retired but thats the most us masons ever retire is semi-. Cheers
Oh, thank you very much for your comment. It means a lot to me to hear messages like this from people who have experience in the industry. When it comes to machines , my passion is rebuilding or building from scratch things that would otherwise end up in scrap metal. I'm glad you liked my video. Thanks again.
And now I wonder how the Egyptians did the same 5000 years ago.
Almost the same. You can think of diamonds on a saw blade as many small hammers and chisels.😁 I'm not saying it's easy, but it can be done.
The video is hypnotizing. It’s true what they say: you can forever look at water, fire and how someone works.)))
This is just the right place to look at other people's work. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING
How did the Egyptians do this with their stone vases?
In general, almost the same. Except for the computer and diamond saws.😉Zahi Hawass did some excellent work on technology in ancient Egypt
Wonderful!
This is way...
glad you liked it😉
When industry becomes Art in the hands of a Artisan !!!
Oh, thank you for such a compliment.
Well done man! This is amazing work!👏👏👏
thank you for your support😃
Wow! Nice work turning. Very impressive. Funny too. And, I love your accent!
Thank you. English is not my native language, I try my best.😊
Tremendous. Nice music...
Thank you. Appreciate your support
"You're FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!" --- lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you. I try not to make the videos too serious. And I'm glad that I managed to make you smile😁
Great work and very interesting! Where is this stone from? And do you work for private customers or on government/public buildings?
Thank you. The stone is Ukrainian granite called Maple Red. I work exclusively with private clients. Moreover, I plan to reduce the number of orders from clients and focus on my own projects. Since I work alone and there is a certain amount of work that I can complete per unit of time
Beautiful! . . . can you imagine the size of a lathe needed for those columns in Egypt?
First of all, thank you. As for Egypt, as far as I know, after reaching a certain size of the part, the part was no longer rotated; the tool rotated around the part. The Egyptians were much smarter than is commonly believed)))
That makes sense. Especially when the columns include intricate capitals. It seems like it would need to be a CNC machine on a grand scale. I would love to see a drawing of something like that.
We have manual techniques for making columns that doesn't require a continuous lathe which is how the Egyptians did it.
First off, BEAUTIFUL work. Machining something as hard as granite is no joke, and restoring that lathe to operational is rad, I would love to do the same someday. Very impressive work.
Now, how hard would it be to make it uniform down to 1/1000th of an inch, and how hard would it be to core out the inside of it and make it so that the wall thickness is about .02" thick, also keeping it within a thousandths of an inch tolerance, without chipping it? Could you do it without a lathe or any steel/diamond tools? And if not, then how did the pre-dynastic Egyptians do it over 5000 years ago, before the use of the wheel, or even iron tools? I only ask this because recently there has been an investigation into some of the more than 40,000 vases found under one of the pyramids, that were made in this fashion. They were made out of granite and schist, diorite, corundum, etc, and were dated (by what they were buried with) as being pre-dynastic. Some of them are so thin that the granite actually becomes transparent. There are no tool marks on them, and many are not only made within 1000th of an inch tolerance, they are made geometrically perfect, using advanced mathematical properties, and anyone who's tried working with this stuff (like you) would be a welcomed and powerful voice in the conversation about how these things could have been made thousands of years ago without any metal tools or even the wheel. It's a big mystery. There's no question on how old they are, there's no question on what they are made of, and there's no interest within archaeology to understand how it was done, they say "we were only concerned with what was inside of them, not how they were made". It's a baffling mystery, and anyone who works with this material would be able to understand it more than the average person. Look up Uncharted-X on youtube and you'll see what I'm talking about.
The vases were definitely done on a 9 axis lathe.
First of all - thank you. As for the video with the vases, I watched it. You must understand that I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist, so everything I say should not be taken as a fact, but only my opinion. I have doubts about the appearance of these vases and such accuracy. Firstly, erosion. How they survived 5000 years to the present day in this condition. I know that Egypt has a good climate and much of what was found was buried almost in a vacuum, but still. Secondly, as far as I know, having valuables from Egypt in private collections is prohibited by law. Of course some people have them in their hands. But I don’t think such people will demonstrate this publicly. Third. I personally have been to Egypt. I saw many similar vases and not one was in such perfect condition as the ones in the video. And also the methods and facts that are shown in the video are not entirely scientific to convince me of the reliability of the information they provide. To put the question differently, is it possible to make such a vase with a simple tool? I think yes. For example, high-precision surface plates are still made by hand. Of course, the machine does most of the work. But precise adjustment is done by hand.
Ben is repeating the same bs statements over and over again. Not all 40,000 vases are diorite and not all diorite vases share the same geometric precision. The vases he showcasing are with questionable origin. One of them spinning diorite vase is presented with document provenance from 1962. Keep in mind that in 1962 where were already able to space craft parts with higher precision than 1/1000 of an inch. In fact the first lathe showcased with 1/1000 of an inch precision was in 1851 by Joseph Whitworth, you have to check him and his works. This was 173 years ago. Knowing the human cunning nature and ingenuity I am inclined to think that these are modern day knock offs made in the last 100-150 years with the sole purpose to cash money naive artifact collectors.
Also while the body of the cute little vase he showcased like 10 times is geometrically perfect(which is not the right word at all and many times misused by UnchartedX) the love handler are asymmetrical and this is the hardest part to work on. I guess @madeofstone7619 might give us an idea how these handles are shaped. My theory is whoever made these vases used a lathe that can do partial back and forth revolution to grind out the material between the handles, that would 180 degrees minus the horizontal width of the handle and the vase must be turn at certain angle.
Guess the ancient Egyptians must have had geared water-lathes powered by the Nile..
I know for sure that they had lathes, or rather some semblance of lathes. But only their stone foundations have survived to this day. Therefore, I cannot say exactly how they worked. I know for sure that the historical heritage was made by people. Great masters of their craft.
Amazing!
thank you
I'd for sure want to do this on a vertical lathe and with a wrap around everything to stop that grit from getting into everything and destroying it. I think that lathe would be all but destroyed by this. A miracle the bearings lasted through this due to stress. I was expecting some support from a tail stock center. All is well that ends well but I'd be worried this did invisible - at least in this video - damage to the lathe on several fronts: Abrasive damage to all moving parts and destroyed bearing from both a heavy load and an unbalanced load.
Thanks for your comment. Do not worry. I made sure that the spindle of this machine is designed to hold twice the weight of the part in the video without tailstock support.
As for the guides, they are already dead and I plan to rebuild the entire structure anyway. If we talk about cutting forces, they can be neglected since the saw blade rotates and cuts instead of a stationary cutter. Also the work was performed at very low speeds of about 4 rpm. to solve the problem of unbalanced load. But given the choice, I would choose a vertical lathe. And here I absolutely agree with you.
That lathe is amazing, must have been quite the trick moving it into your shop. How much does it weigh?
Thanks a lot. In fact, moving it is not very difficult if you have a forklift and a crane. I stripped it down a little so now the machine weighs about 5 tons.
I'm an aerospace machinist and that's nuckin futs!!!!!
I'll take that as the highest level of praise. Thank you
i subscribed becasue of your sense of humour
I try not to be too serious. Anyway, all this work is a way to have some fun😉 thanks
The opening picture of this video shows some columns in the background. Are those contemporary? If so, could you do a video on their manufacture?
The columns that you saw in the background are installed on the bases made in this video. Unfortunately, my customer has banned the display of the entire product on RUclips. The only piece of video about these columns is in my channel trailer ruclips.net/video/yudTdLtMgAI/видео.html&ab_channel=Madeofstone But this is not the only project with columns. So there will definitely be a video about large columns. stay tuned
Why not use ultra high pressure water instead of blade and grinders?
It turned beautifully though!
It's my dream to make a waterjet one day. But in this case, waterjet cutting will not work. The stone is too thick and the thicker the stone, the less accurate the cut will be. It will also be extremely messy since there is no way to stop the stream of water. Thank you for your comment)
beautiful piece
Thank you, glad you liked it.
Now imagine doing this tens of thousands of times on blocks that are hundreds of tons with copper tools.
you also have to consider that this was done by thousands of people over thousands of years.
@madeofstone7619 according to mainstream archeologists the great pyramid was built in 25 years....
Agree. I'm talking in general and not about specific construction projects. The Great Pyramid was actually built in 25-30 years but by 10,000 workers. But the Karnak Temple took about 1200 years to build@@MB-vk8cv
Why would you lathe that size and numbers of blocks for square ashlar units used in the pyramids ?
@@GroberWeisenstein who said anything about the pyramids. Have you ever seen ancient Egypt and all the Stine work?
How long did the entire processing take ?
About 15 hours for turning and another 5 for polishing
Love everything about this. Genius! How did the ancients create ther perfect granite bowls and statues. Ask this gentleman who appears to be a descendant of a super long lineage
Obrigado
Thank you for the compliments. But I'm just an ordinary guy who loves his job and worked hard to achieve these results. But in any case, I appreciate your words
Rest assured, the ancients did not have machine lathes.
Beautiful work
Thank you
Beautiful!
Thank you
Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for sharing ❤️
Thanks for commenting. It helps me share
Wow, great video, I really really enjoyed it!
Thanks a lot. I will try to make the next videos even better.
oh my god that was awe inspiring.
Thanks for the nice words. I appreciate it
Do you happen to know any similar method to make perfect polished square/rectangle with granite?? like in the kings chamber in egypt pyramid??
I'm not an expert. This is just my opinion and the information I could find. But: large rectangular blocks were processed with a “hammer and chisel” to a certain degree of precision. Angles of 90 degrees are not that difficult to maintain. The Egyptians knew the Pythagorean theorem. As for polishing, there are several opinions. One of the most common is a wooden block with small particles of abrasive (harder stone) embedded in it. To check the plane, they used the same method as now - a surface plate.
Hand chisel work followed by rubbing its basic stonecutters techniques
Man , the ancient Egyptians did that with their eyes shut ! No problem , whatsoever ! The evidence is everywhere in Egypt ......4000 plus years ago .
Of course they did. and did even more incredible things... I saw it personally
@@madeofstone7619 I'm envious ..in a nice way !
Amazing work!! What is the name of the Hendrix style sound track played during the polishing sequence? Thanks.
Nag champa doug organ main version. Music from Uppbeat (free for Creators!) Thank you
@@madeofstone7619 ruclips.net/video/QzFMDS6dkWU/видео.htmlsi=SvOdZESNfqP65ik1
Her: I bet he's watching porn....
Him: Getting stoned😂
I'll take that as a compliment. Because I compete with two things that can hardly be called less interesting. I would choose one of them over my channel😅
absolutly fantastic!
Thank you. 😊
Love the music. --Doozer
Thank you
I always wondered about the beautiful mouldings at the bottom of pillars.
Thank you for your comment. at the beginning of the channel it is important
Whats your thoughts on the scans of Egyptian vases? The vids are on the channel UnchartedX
I am familiar with the channel and its content. Not the kind of videos I would watch The author asks more questions than he answers. As for the vases, I can still believe that they were made so precisely, but I still cannot believe that this accuracy has been preserved to this day. Moreover, I was in Egypt personally and saw vases that all had traces of erosion which those in the video do not have. But this is just my opinion and I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist.
Thanks for the reply :) . Yeah I agree that the vases seem to be a little too well preserved. They also don't explain the history of the pieces in much detail. Putting that to the side for a moment.. So you're saying that level of accuracy is possible with hand tools an no lathe? Do you know of any examples or artists that only work with hand tools?@@madeofstone7619
Egyptians knew pottery wheel and some sort of lathe. Consider that and hand tools, and yes i believe it`s possible. Moreover, extremely accurate stone plates are still finished by hand to this day. If you are interested in stone processing by hand check out this channel www.youtube.com/@charlie.gee__/videos@@aarondavidson6409
Could you have a look at "Serapeum boxes" and give your professional opinion how were they made
I'm still studying this. And definitely not an Egyptologist. So this is not a professional opinion. But in general the method is like this. The product was processed directly at the quarry. Then transported to the burial site. As for these particular sarcophagi archaeologists find traces of rollers on the floor of the galleries, and found two wooden horizontal winches, each operated with eight levers, in one of the niches.
Or aliens did it.😀@@madeofstone7619
Superb, beautiful
thank you so much
5:30 why not make all the finishing cuts down hill, to avoid side loads?
First of all thank you for interesting comment. Yes, you are right, with the “down hill” strategy there will be less lateral loads. But as i said this machine is in "rebuild" process. And i still have decent backlash on my Y axis. So I have to machine the part in one pass without interrupting the cut.
It only takes 500-1000 years for a rubber tire to decompose
This piece will take even longer
Replace:
Stepper motors with a bunch of burly blokes on the cranks.
Electric tools with a couple of craftsmen with chisels and iron files.
PC and CNC software with several negative wood and metal patterns/models.
The lathe with a machinery that had to be partially rebuilt for each job and lubricated with animal fat.
....and you will get a lathe from ancient Rome.
First of all thank you for the comment. But the more I learn about ancient technologies, the more glad I am that I live in the modern world😉.
@@madeofstone7619 The work you did on the lathe and the solutions you found to adapt it to the work you need to do are spectacular.
I saw some of your answers regarding the same type of work and the desire to investigate how it was done in ancient times: I remember that there are at least 2 texts in Latin that talk about the methodology of how they made the columns and at least one archaeological discovery of the patterns they used as a track. (southern Italy if I'm not mistaken)
The texts are magnificent and hilarious: the Romans loved to be smug about their culture and technology. (with every right to do so)
If you have any information about ancient technology that can be trusted, please share. I'm doing a little research here. Maybe this will help. Thank you@@carlettoburacco9235
@@madeofstone7619 Unfortunately I have nothing except memories: I saw the texts in high school doing translations from Latin (a million years ago): I absolutely don't remember who the author was, I only remember that they concerned the era of the Roman Republic but a lot of it had been written time later.
The reference to the finding of the templates was in a television documentary in 2000/2004 in Italy: sadly content in Italian is difficult to find online.
Unfortunately, finding something reliable online is difficult in general. But in any case, thank you very much for your support and valuable comments. You also have an incredible memory.😊@@carlettoburacco9235
Very well!👍👍👍
thanks
Stunning!
Thank you. nice to know you liked it.
That was great!
Thanks a lot
And there are videos of some people who allegedly do this using a bronze chisel and a hammer .
I'm not sure about bronze chisels. But I think this work can be done with a simple tool. If you find such videos please share. Thank you
so fucking nice progres mashine
We will improve it further in the future.
Confident in your success@@madeofstone7619
Rubber band around the chuck of a drill and around the nut will help on the rod mate.
Thank you. I'll take it into account👍
Nice set up very clever interesting
glad you liked it. thank you
3:37 > 6:17 and 9:27 > 12:17 This is "ASMR for Granite Guys" !!!
Ok, you can have the name and idea for second RUclips Channel no charge ha ha;-)
Seriously - the polishing segment is really therapeutic to watch. You could start a new niche market plus generate significant income in emerging ASMR culture !
Glad you liked the video. It’s a pity that I didn’t hear your advice when I named this channel. Thank you🙂
Very cool video but the music is wayyy too loud! 😆 ❤
Thank you. I will try to fix this in the next videos
@@madeofstone7619 🥰
How did the Egyptions do this with larger units of stone to a tight tolerance of perfect round ??
Quite simple but ingenious tools. Many of them are still in use today. Maybe I'll make a video about it in the future.
@madeofstone7619 that's not the answer he was hoping for 😂
They didn't. If you study the authentic vases and various radial artifacts they have obvious flaws. The smaller objects seem more accurate but this is mostly because of visual scale.
I just had a thought... What if they ( builders of pyramids,. Sphinx) used a form of an oscillation saw powers by sound to cut
First of all, thanks for the comment. Sorry to disappoint but unlikely. Because then we would have to find the remains of these tools.
@@madeofstone7619 Not many things can survive (beside stone) for.that many years.. Think about that. What would actually survive ? Especially after being in an area that was humid, had plenty of rain, etc.. Not a desert...
beautiful, just like Egyptian workmanship. 😆😆😆
thank you for such a high praise
Have you considered using air tools,electricity and water don't mix to well.
Do not worry. I use air tools where it is convenient. As for electricity, all these tools are protected from water in one way or another. I have been working with stone for a long time and am aware of the risks of electric shock. Thank you
GFCI
Needs some Egyptian hyroglyphics on the walls..
For hieroglyphs the part must be much larger. But I got your idea
@@madeofstone7619 I was thinking of images on the shop walls not on the piece.
Maybe a pharaoh head or the sphinx.
Misunderstood. This type of decoration is among my plans. Stay tuned@@seetheforest
8:09 Is that a hand-made diamond tipped saw-blade?
No. The disc itself is sold separately. Diamond segments depending on the task separately. Then they are soldered onto the disk using a special device. It`s so scary because it`s been through a lot of abuse.
Very nice. 👍🏻
Thank you
now try it with a copper or bronze chisel... I'll wait
If you send me this message as the ancients did. With a messenger on horseback. I'll do it with a hammer and chisel😉
I bet you do a lot of waiting and not much else
Very cool
Thank you
awesome dude
Thank you
Why spend all that money on a lathe, the ancients just pounded the workpiece with stones and copper chisels😂😂😂
I love having machines do the work for me. 😄
@@madeofstone7619 . Your work is amazing mate👍
Get different length bolts you’ll save hours!!
I thought about it. But it was already too late and I went to bed😄
Now do one with handles! Please see videos by UnchartedX on ancient granite vases.
I'll definitely do it. stay tuned
Please see Night Scarab a debunking of UnchartedX scan video
Could of just used a rock hammer
I could. But I'm a modern person and I love technology.😀
Honestly, I don’t understand how mainstream egyptologists don’t simply admit that the feats we see were produced by high tech (at least as good as is shown in this video) tools… we did it today, they did it back then… it’s not like they were somehow dumber than us… they may not have had mars and moon landers or hypersonic missiles and jets but I’m preeeeety sure they could figure out how to lathe granite or use saws… we find plenty of tube drill markings and if they managed to cut cores out of the hardest stone next to diamond with tube drills, I am pretty damn sure they also had the skills to unwrap that tube drill into a straight line and make it move back and forth or to turn it into a circle rather than a tube… I mean come on… it’s really not rocket science…
First of all, thanks for the comment. I am not an archaeologist or an Egyptologist. But due to my profession, I am interested in ancient technologies. So modern science does not tell us that they did everything with a hammer and a chisel. There are remains of ancient lathes and other devices. In general, the ancients were quite smart people. Much smarter than is commonly believed. For example, the Egyptians used the Pythagorean theorem long before it was formulated by Pythagoras himself.
@@madeofstone7619 thanks for the response! :) I agree, we have something like 150K years of human history behind us (genetically identical humans), so I can only imagine what kind of things we have managed to accomplish in that amount of time. I also wonder whether technology and science progresses in such a way as to be very different each time a civilization rises and falls (basically, if we believe we are the first for advanced tech, maybe they had completely different looking advanced tech so we don’t even see it’s remains today because it was so different from ours that it left no traces or somehow blends in - for example, a high understanding of resonance frequencies and tools to accomplish work with it, or the theory of great pyramids being power plants, or any other number of tools/tricks we can’t imagine working today, something not based on electronics/etc). Then I consider the age of the Earth and life on Earth and wonder whether there could have been multiple intelligent species in the past millions of years before we appeared.
Copper chisels can do the same job.
it is a question or a statement?🤔
Nice
Thank you
Have you checked out UnchartedX's videos on the Egyptian granite vases, and the extraordinary precision they are made with?
I watched this video. Interesting channel but I have doubts about this accuracy. I'm not an expert but granite erosion is ten millimeters in ten thousand years. I can assume that these finds were well kept from weather conditions, etc. I can also assume that initially the vases had such precision. And still, they would not have survived to this day with these high tolerances. For example, the meter and kilogram standards are stored in vacuum chambers and still become smaller over a relatively short period of time.
@@madeofstone7619 you literally didn't answer the question
I think I answered. I watched the video. And also explained why I doubt its content@@AustinKoleCarlisle
The lug handles are misaligned as are the lugs holes off-centred. The vase is not symmetrically balanced and the polishing is a very low Lustre finish. These are not exacting standards for accuracy in stonework. Who knows, maybe it is precise to its master model which contains all these deficiencies exactly.
@@GroberWeisenstein the handles are likely secondary to the intended fuction of the vase. you still ignored the extreme precision elements of the vase that simply wasn't possible prior to the 1980s.
clever
Thank you
Beautiful work...!
However I am having a hard time finding out the methods that were used as you see in the old world Greco/Roman buildings or for that matter old world buildings found worldwide....AND having column bases with 3 foot or even 6 foot bases.
Cheers
Thank you. Since this topic is so interesting and broad, it is difficult to answer in the comments. People have literally written books about it. In short, with a hammer, a chisel and hard work. Maybe I'll make a video in the future about ancient technology
And yet the Antiquities bunch in Egypt continue the myth that Egyptian vases, accurate to .0001 in were made from sticks and stones.....
I'm thinking more and more that I need to make a video on this topic. There are a lot of myths and misunderstandings. Were the creations of our ancestors great? Absolutely. 0.0001 inch accuracy? I doubt it
No they claim .003 of an inch which is easily achieved
That poor lathe...
Don't worry about the machine. As I said in the video, it is in the process of recovery.😉 In the condition in which I bought it, it was just scrap metal. This way it will get a new life
That is fair. I concede that you are correct.@@madeofstone7619
i have to say what many think - omg its borat. i mean, the accent... great video n all, it was just my instant thought
I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you🤔
@@madeofstone7619 absolutely :)
Was this a piece of pink granite? I want to see more of your works. I subscribed to your channel and you definitely get a thumbs up. Once again it is great.
Thank you. This is Ukrainian granite is called red Maple Red.
Are you from Ukraine? Either way you are a genius and if you are from Ukraine it explains why they are so innovative. I wish I could do what you are doing with stone work. Yes can't wait to see your next video.
Yes sir. I am Ukrainian. But i`m not consider myself as a genius. Rather hardworking ordinary man with extraordinary will to make my job right no matter what. Anyway thank you for compliment.😉@@ralph72462
@@madeofstone7619 The more I learn about Ukraine and it's people the more they amaze me. "Extraordinary will" coupled with Extraordinary creativity and "hard work"... I admire that very much. Slava Ukraine!
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Thank you.
Wow
Thank you. Glad you liked it