@@The_Humble_Hurricane actually Larry Bird's STATS PROVE what I said to be true.. you dont have to accept it for it to be A FACT.. and if you dont believe me, let me know. I'll provide the information.
My daughter is 14 years old and knows who the GOAT is. She had to do a critical thinking exercise in 8th grade (last year) about who the GOAT is. I asked her about how she figured out who the GOAT is and her exact words were “Michael Jordan accomplished more in less time, that’s how I reached my conclusion that he is the greatest.” Proud Mom Moment!
I live in Chicago and we got to see him live on WGN every game. What you see in the highlights was just MJ night after night after night. No matter how many times you saw him, he could still make you jump out of your seat and say "Damn!" He dominated like no other player in any sport and he did it against the greatest players in the world. He was so far above everyone else that they actually feared him. It was a thing of beauty.
To be the GOAT a player not only has to be the best he has to earn the respect of his haters and he has to be loved by the fans lebron is the opposite to tht.
As soon as I saw lebron start calling himself the goat I lost all respect for him. Along with his laziness (which honestly is the entire league) his flopping is damn near criminal, and he’s always whining. Lebron is intolerable
@@TheRealMindCrime You ask why is matter they come back from 1-3, it's because the case is empty so they have to fill it with anything they found. 1 How many games the warriors lose during this playoff? 9 the same amount that during the season 9. They were not that untouchable. 2 How many times a team came back from 1-3 in NBA History ? 13, LeBron was the 1st time in the finals but the 13th in the playoff History. 3 ( Juste for fun but still important ) Who and when was the 12th times ? In 2016, western finals conference, the Warriors came back from 1-3 vs OKC. 4 Why nobody talk about that ? 😮💨 Plus, If I am not wrong LeBron said that one make me blablabla in 2018 Before Going On Another Team again To me it was to distract from his new leaving Cleveland, the decision didn't work, but something like that was a better strategy. I don't think he believe it himself, but the fans were estatic, then this debate, a lot of money and buzz thanks to this false debate How 2016 can make you the goat when you lose twice in a row After that vs the same team, cemented them as the 3rd dynasty since you are in the League when yourself with two superteams didn't succeed to create one, and there is a guy who have a double threepeat in 8 years ( only 5 times a team won 3 or more in a row in NBA history) with the same team but two differents rosters ( minus pippen and Phil) and you choose your number because of him and you have his brand on your jersey? If in 2016 you feel like the goat By 2018 you know you are not
I get that, but… no MJ is all that needs to be said. It probably wouldn’t have happened with how Jerry Krause and him had some issues keeping the second 3peat team together but they could’ve gone 8 straight if he didn’t wanna play baseball. Hate doing Hakeem cause he was at least top 5 big men like that but there’s definitely an asterisk on his titles. I know he was there for the second half of the second title run for Hakeem but MJ was so thin and out of basketball shape. Edit: I agree that it was better than lebrons run. The only thing close is down 3-1 vs the warriors. But honestly that wasn’t all bron, if he didn’t have kyrie he wouldn’t have won. And they only had kyrie cause he couldn’t do it himself like the ogs did it.
@@eyalsabag1772 Another knock against LeBron is being a pin in someone else's cap. One of the greatest playoff runs of all time was capped by "The King" being toppled off his constructed mountain. There were LeBron lifers and a few fans down in Miami rooting for them in that series and that's it. Everybody else wanted to see LeBron eat it and he did by scoring 8 points in the Finals against a 5 foot 9 inch puerto rican. He can send a million Klutch automatons out to try to erase the past but we all remember big Bron being the big choke master himself. I asked LeBron James for change for a dollar and he said "I can't carry four quarters." He was literally a joke.
I watched Groovy's reactions to Bird and Magic too, and every time he mentioned, "And he plays defense too?" I got took out. When I was coming up in the late 80s and mid 90s, just on the playground, if you didn't make the handler uncomfortable, nobody let you play pickups. At pro status, you simply never made roster. I'm literally baffled by this era of NBA ball and what it's doing to the perceptions of young fans.
I had zero handles put I could hit from anywhere, rebound, and d up. I was never picked first but I was never picked lower than 4th and 2 were the captains lol. Hustle is all d and boards are. If you weren’t trying to win you didn’t play. It was simple.
From the NFL to NBA, we got spoiled in the 90's. It is very hard for me to sit and watch a full NFL and NBA game today because of what I saw in the 90's. It wasn't just Michael Jordan. He was just the best at all of it, but everyone competed as if it was their last game.
Yep. That '96 NBA draft was a monster. I dont think we had a draft like that since. Even Mayweather Jr. came out in '96. And no big man today can stand next to Olajuwon.
That’s the part that kills me. Players in the 90s went all out every single game and played while hurt without even considering sitting out. You can’t compare teams nowadays, mentally not even close.
I could respect LeBron fans if they were honest, but the whole trying to bash and diminish older players to prop up new ones is just a trash way to argue.
I consider it 6 championships in 6 years due to MJ being retired one season and then coming back in baseball shape Or I would even accept 6 championships in 7
@@SuperJoshuaWorld Shidddd that's a good thing lol. The way this generation is passing away and how mentally messed up they are from these new ideologies is crazy
Again I give this kid mad props for doing his homework, and coming to unbiased conclusions. 100%. But I am stunned that these kids don't know about 6 Chips in 8 years, and similar Jordan accomplishments and milestones. We didn't have the interwebs growing up, and we knew about Russell and Wilt and West and Baylor. So again, respect for wanting to learn and know more about the game, but how did we have more knowledge and respect without having "Library of Alexandria" knowledge at our fingertips? It just shows what real heads are up against, that's all. Solid stuff bro. Keep up the good work.
I just laugh when i see this dude on thumbnail again lol lol ...Now, he 's hooked and with us the oldies after just 2 mixtape.. 🤣🤣..More to come for sure. Great vid anyway - i had fun watching it. Thanks.
Note how in the opening dunk highlights of the video nobody is anywhere near LeBron while he goes up but Jordan has guys hanging off him when he launches.
LeBron fans conflate "greatest of all time" with "favorite player." And I get it, people gravitate towards the players of their era, but I'm convinced that this is why they won't cede any territory in the goat debate. Their attachments are entirely emotional, so criticisms of LeBron's game are taken personally.
Bingo. Fan love turns blind eyes to any arguments that claim our fan love objects are anything other than the best in all things. Most of us outgrow it eventually-- this video's interesting because it looks like the first step out of that childish mindset. Hopefully Groovy can keep LeBron as his favorite player, and give up that idea that LeBron *must* be THE GOAT to be worth respect and reverence.
As someone who grew up in the 90s, watching MJ was magical. Every game on TV was a must watch. I live in Vancouver and had the privilege to watch him play the Grizzlies the year where the Bulls won 72 games. That was the only live MJ game I have attended. He scored 19 points in the last 6 minutes of the game to come back to beat Vancouver. There are many videos about that on youtube. I still have goosebumps talking about that game. In my office, I have a picture that I took at the game of MJ shooting a free throw. That was before the time of digital cameras. As a high school kid at the time, buying film and developing the pics after was not cheap. I was so happy when the pics came out great. From time to time, I have young basketball fans coming to my office with their parents and they were blown away by the picture. When I talked about MJ in that game. Their eyes were wide opened and their expression were priceless. It is like they were listening to a fairy tale. I agreed with you brother, we old farts were spoiled.
I have seen the goat comparison video and reactions of Lebron fans, i guess at least 10 times. It never gets old and everytime i realise how blessed i am to witnessed the greatness of MJ and the 90's era.
the thing with the longevity...i can't just give that up to lebron. the fact that he's not putting in full 82 game seasons kind of counts out that longevity argument for me. on top of that, it's not like he's hustling to get those points, rebounds, etc....dude just stands there half the time or doesn't even get to the other end of the court. i'd imagine anyone would be able to last this long if they didn't put forth the full effort for those 21 seasons.
I never gave Lebron that Longevity nod, ever. I saw his entire career & know all the context behind it. Lebron’s longevity argument is a complete joke! It’s a complete crap 😂 smh
I wish MJ had played until his 40s without retiring ever. Unfortunately after MJs first 3 peat, his father was murdered and he was done and wanted to do other things. I think MJ put it best, others needed a chance to win.
And using game load management and resting on defense. Everyone love it to pay anytime to go to a game and see the star players. Not buying tickets and hope the players are playing on that day ( if the want)
Bruh. You had me dying laughing with your commentary 😂😂😂. But you're right, Groovy is a logical young dude. I respect him. Nothing wrong with still being a Bron fan.
I watched this young brother's reaction to this video about a week ago and admired his willingness to be open minded to the facts. Your reaction to his reaction was very entertaining. Very well done, dude 🤌🏾
People seem to forget that ,that same 73-9 Warriors team had to come back from being down 3-1 themselves in the previous round against Okc, which simply proves that their record was better than they actually were...
Wilt is my favorite player of all time, but my GOAT is MJ for everything he did on the court, on both ends for an entire career, and for doing it in such a short amount of time, and for making his teammates better, and for his love and respect for his fans/organization/game of basketball…✌️😎
My guy has always been George Gervin. But, about halfway through MJ's 3rd year, my friends and I all came to the same conclusion. MJ isn't my GOAT, he's THE GOAT.
I like this young man and started watching him just a few weeks ago. But what I've noticed is a lot of these young guys argue without truly knowing the history. How many times during this video did Groovy say he didn't know something that we consider common knowledge, like 10 scoring titles, or 9 all defensive?
I’ve recently found his videos as well and love them. It’s fun to see the look on youngsters faces when it finally dawns on them how great really MJ was. I wish I could go back in time just to watch those games. Unfortunately the footage from back then isn’t the greatest.
I refuse to debate this stuff with anyone unless we are working with the same set of facts. Because there is no debate when we have the same set of facts.
Don’t worry about the time length brother. This was great content and worth every second. It brings me joy to see a Bron fan humbled by the true GOAT 🐐
57:28 That was the difference between Lebron and Michael..... Lebron would bring practice ethic and work into his games, Michael would bring the work ethic from games into practice!!!!!!!!! Absolutely crazy competitive drive!!!!!!!
this is proof that its' not hate. your channel is the reason I found this young mans channel and subscribed in support of his journey as well. im loving basketball talk online these days. wait til we all gotta witness Wemby God willing. Great channel.
Thank you! Man, I don't like Lebron and he shouldn't be compared to MJ but I'm not a hater lol. I love basketball and I just want what's good for the game so i speak out against the things bad for the game. But 90% of my channel is appreciating the great things about the game. But yeah, im a hater 😆
The videos a couple years old but a guy called LegaciiTV watched this video and legit looked like he was having his heart ripped out of his chest!! One of the best reactions I've seen
Beating the Juggernaut, is a one trick thing. Only happens every couple of decades. Happens more often now due to Vegas and all pro and college leagues influencing play and outcomes.
Haaa, I'm on his channel and really liked his reaction however, your reaction to his reaction has got me laughing my tail off. Thank you, this was great!
I'm 41 from the Midwest (20 mins from chicago to be exact) even saw mj live on many of occasions even the 72-10 season and also been a diehard laker fan since I was 6 or 7 years old and still can't deny how great MJ is my favorite player is Kobe and as I just I stated imma die hard laker fan so I'm rooting for LeBron like crazy but MJ Is and undoubtedly the goat in my eyes
The question is... why are we talking about LeBron vs. Jordan.... let's talk about LeBron vs. Kobe, Vs Steph,, Vs. Bird, Vs. Magic, Duncan,Vs Thomas, Wade, Dirk.... stop this stupind thing. There is no LeBron Vs. Jordan.
Never gets old seeing Lebron staring a hole into the ground while saying that one right there made me the greatest 😂😂😂😂bron always sounds certain doesn’t he? 😭😭😭
I love watching these. SLG definitely doesn't know about the Shaq/Kobe era I would bet. He needs to go though a good doc on that too. There are Sooooo many narratives regarding Jordan he has no idea about. Off the top of my head, the 1997 finals, he had a buzzer beater game winner, the flu game, and the final pass to Kerr for the series winner. Also so many videos. I think its a Johnny Arnett video where he shows that Jordan was the best/should have won the MVP from like 1987-1993 straight - his accolades are absolutely underrated (something we can't say about Bron) because they got sick of giving it the MJ - also see the 1997 season!
Cool, you watched it.. yea.. he really seen it watching through this... This one is a good one, hes trying to learn and willing to be honest with himself.. its always a joy to watch them realize.. But sad, caus they narly always say "I just wish I got to see it"
@@Lomno12 Kyrie would have been if not for that block at the end. That sealed it for Bron, coming back home and bringing a title to Cleveland after the "decision." He had "plot armor" in that storyline and got the game saving block so I can't fault the judges for giving it to him. All bias aside he can do some pretty amazing things when he doesn't quit on his team like a baby 🤷♂ Kyrie did save him......but that's nothing new lol
Unfairly my ass. Draymond is a dirty ass player who should get suspended more than he does. He never learns and never apologizes. You see him grabbing rookie Zach Edey's leg trying to injure him in a regular season game?
The thing also about Jordan is that it was must watch tv when he played. One thing I did see him in Barcelona, but was to young to know much. As I started watching more of the NBA. I remember before the 1st game I saw Jordan play. It was in 1993 playoffs vs New York when the Bulls were down 2-1, and I remember thinking, let me see how good MJ is. Jordan had 54 points that game.
I watched his vid reaction on his channel and I was laughing and laughing cause of his facial reactions 😂 I even commented on that vid reaction and told the youngster, he got my respect, 💯% that as a solid LBJ fan had the got guts to admit that MJ is very far, much better that his goat, that's a "genuine fan". that's tough man to admit on your own platform! hands up 🙌 yes, it's true NUMBERS and STATS don't really LIE! MJ is still my GOAT and it will stay that way forever! ✊
just like in KPOP, Twice is chasing really hard what BLACKPINK's achievements and yet, they failed over and over and over and over and over .... and the cycle keeps going on! 😂
Thats funny cause I was a HUGE Bills fan as well. But lets face it...its unheard of to go to 4 straight SBs. Best untitled team of all time. If they hadnt missed that first Norwood field goal they might have gone for 5 straight lol
That video has to be the best example to use about who the goat is. There's no bias, no narrative, nothing like that. Just straight facts to comparing two players in the goat conversation. I'll have to sub to Groovy too.
I totally respect MJ as the goat even though him and the bulls broke me in the 1993 finals. My favorite player is always Barkley - also have so much love and respect for the great Kobe Bryant
Great reaction, and I agree, huge respect to Groovy for being honest with himself. I grew up playing and loving basketball all through high school in the 90s. I was never a Bulls fan, but I still loved watching MJ play. He's definitely the GOAT. As for my favorite player, I'd have to go with "Pistol."
The most underrated player in NBA history is pistol Pete scored 68 points without a 3 point line and still has the NCAA basketball scoring record. MJ is the goat and pistol Pete is the goat of the NCAA
"...has captured the public's attention for the last several years..." ya, to state the obvious, this "debate" is what the media has been pushing for years and years... the "argument" pushing a Top 20 historical basketball player to the top 2 is beyond tired, it's essentially a joke. Great find here, this guy is fun to watch and his openness/humility refreshing for a young LBJ fan, hell we could all take a cue from him.
Imagine if the Bills won in 93-94. It would change the entire perception of the Cowboys dynasty and cement that Bills team as one of the greatest ever.
Jordan's accomplishments showed he was the best all around..not just his words, or staying long enough to cheat the system, but still can't reach Jordan's heights or Kobes for that matter.😅
It’s so much fun to see our favorite newer RUclipsrs get their flowers. Your channel has skyrocketed because of your honest takes and reactions. Normally I’m not a “ reaction” video guy but your I really enjoy watching you’re. Luckily I have a job where I work from home so I’m listening to your videos and others all day long.
You hit the nail on the head! If he hadn't inserted himself in a conversation he Never deserved to be in, us ol heads had no problem with him. In other words, he knew his place and should've stayed in it. Instead, he let his mouth make a check his playing couldn't cash. And now he's being assasinated at every turn, along with all his fanboys with the FACTS.
Exactly. As much as I like D Wade, if he came out today saying he was the GOAT then I'd make it a point to prove that he's not. It's not about hate, its about crowning the true winner of winners and thats MJ
Man, that clip of chuck talking about their loss to the bulls still stings. The suns were the better team that year. We don't hear people talking them up because they lost.
I saw it in real time. Draft day till he retired from the wizards. While witnessing it throughout, I didn’t truly know, we didn’t truly know as a society how amazing he was then. Now looking back, it truly sinks in. Gives me goosebumps. I will never understand how and why ANY PLAYER is compared or debated with or against MIchael Jordan. The man simply never took his foot off the gas. His throttle was to the floor every single f@cking game!!! No exaggeration…..
So much i could say, I was in middle school when Bird and Magic came into the league in H.S. when Jordan came in All i can say is i was blessed to see that era, to be a witness Like Sean Beam said at the end of Troy: I lived in the time of Achilles, I lived in the time of legends...
I'm proud of you too. And it's not because you changed your mind. It's because you were truly open-minded and allowed yourself to take in the facts. If you had done that and still made a case that made sense for Lebron being the GOAT...I would be puzzled and might not agree but I'd still be proud of your approach and have deep respect. That's so different from the closed-minded, "no amount of real facts will change my mind" (who allows themselves to think that way about any subject?) people that aren't willing to relax and truly examine the other side of a debate. Huge respect. And now a new subscriber. Can't wait to check out your other videos and what comes next. If for no other reason....you're just a reasoned person and I like that approach. Great reaction and thanks so much!
Here is the comparison I think most relevant: Take a stat that measures how good a game (or season) a player had (pts per game, for example). (Take playoff games only? This ensure they were playing against serious teams.) Organize each players games (or seasons) from best to worst according to this stat. Plot the games (or seasons) from best to worst. Whose line lies above the other? While Lebron's line will be longer since he has played so much longer, what we care about it who had the best games (or seasons). Lebron's longevity means he got more chances to have better games (or seasons), but the longevity as such doesn't make any of his game (or seasons) any better.
The 2016 series was rigged for LeBron to come back and win the finals on the actual King James birthday. Also King James' son started the CAVALIERS. No such thing as coincidence
42:05 Agree with what you are saying here. I think the biggest problem standing in the way of younger people understanding how great Jordan was is the fact that never saw full games, the only see highlight reels. Highlight reels are fun but they lack context. If I see Jordan dunk 100 times, I get bored no matter how spectacular they are. But watching how he played all out every game, watching how he dominated the end of games (what Magic Johnson would call "winning time"), and watching how he improved his game every single year to overcome weaknesses that might have cost him during the previous year. People forget he was criticized by the local press here in Chicago for "resting on defense" when he got tired. The next year he won defensive player of the year. People forget he went from having a good midrange game to having one of the best of all time. When the Pistons, Knicks, and Pacers used to beat up on him physically, he got in the weight room and built up the strength and conditioning to win. It is hard to look back on all that and understanding without seeing it, just as it is impossible for me to understand Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robinson, or Bill Russell.
Have to say… like this kid. It has to be hard to swallow it after watching this, but credit to this young man. So many funny moments and the look of realisation on his face is just incredible. Groovy, you got yourself a fan here. This is the issue with many young kids nowadays. They don’t have the information nor do they look for it. Credit to Groovy 👍🏻
I agree with you with the helm praising LeBron from being down by three games against the warriors, even I said that look at Jordan he never lost in the finals and never went to a game 7. Is one thing to be undefeated in the finals, but it's also another thing to never allow a game 7
The Warriors werent that legendary a team in historical perspective, so it matters little they came back from that deficit. And certainly doesnt make him the goat for having done it.
They learning little by little who the real GOAT is.... And is not even close.
💯 little by little is all i ask for
yea larry bird
edit * actually I got Jordan as the GOAT but Larry Bird is the BEST ALL AROUND PLAYER..
10000% facts
@@soramirez5473 cool opinion....you're entitled to it👌🏿
@@The_Humble_Hurricane actually Larry Bird's STATS PROVE what I said to be true.. you dont have to accept it for it to be A FACT.. and if you dont believe me, let me know. I'll provide the information.
My daughter is 14 years old and knows who the GOAT is. She had to do a critical thinking exercise in 8th grade (last year) about who the GOAT is. I asked her about how she figured out who the GOAT is and her exact words were “Michael Jordan accomplished more in less time, that’s how I reached my conclusion that he is the greatest.”
Proud Mom Moment!
Thats the perfect answer! Also why i have magic and kobe over lebron. Got more done in less time = better at the job lol
@@TheRealMindCrime don’t forget Larry Legend!
@@TheRealMindCrime what more does magic and kobe have over lebron other than rings
oh hell yes! Sound logic!
So if i play for 1yr and win a ring i guess im the goat? Iv accomplished more in less time than MJ could.
I live in Chicago and we got to see him live on WGN every game.
What you see in the highlights was just MJ night after night after night.
No matter how many times you saw him, he could still make you jump out of your seat and say "Damn!"
He dominated like no other player in any sport and he did it against the greatest players in the world.
He was so far above everyone else that they actually feared him. It was a thing of beauty.
The Legendary Days!!!!!
I live in Virginia they pumped WGN to the whole country bulls came on right after Wayans bros
Same. Watched every laker game and bull game in LA thank God for WGN
We had cable so we had WGN in Los Angeles
Lmao I remember watching the original video. One hell of an experience😮
Same. The part when he said “beating the juggernaut, or being the juggernaut” I was like dang that’s a reallllly good point
Poor Groovy lol
@@philipskinner570 What I have been saying, GOATs don't try to beat someone above them. GOATs beat everybody down to stay on top.
Honestly, I didn't even know who groovy was but, he has my respect. It takes A LOT to admit you were wrong. Much respect to him.
It's the only kind of lebron fans that i respect
Same here. I found his channel by chance and I'm glad i did.
To be the GOAT a player not only has to be the best he has to earn the respect of his haters and he has to be loved by the fans lebron is the opposite to tht.
100%
100% that happened with MJ. Everyone not in chicago loved to hate him but in the end everyone respects him and calls him the goat
@@TheRealMindCrimeAbsolutely. Same with Kobe, 2nd only to MJ.
As soon as I saw lebron start calling himself the goat I lost all respect for him. Along with his laziness (which honestly is the entire league) his flopping is damn near criminal, and he’s always whining.
Lebron is intolerable
@@TheRealMindCrime You ask why is matter they come back from 1-3, it's because the case is empty so they have to fill it with anything they found.
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How many games the warriors lose during this playoff?
9 the same amount that during the season 9.
They were not that untouchable.
2
How many times a team came back from 1-3 in NBA History ?
13, LeBron was the 1st time in the finals but the 13th in the playoff History.
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( Juste for fun but still important )
Who and when was the 12th times ?
In 2016, western finals conference, the Warriors came back from 1-3 vs OKC.
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Why nobody talk about that ?
😮💨
Plus,
If I am not wrong LeBron said that one make me blablabla in 2018
Before
Going On Another Team again
To me it was to distract from his new leaving Cleveland, the decision didn't work, but something like that was a better strategy.
I don't think he believe it himself, but the fans were estatic, then this debate, a lot of money and buzz thanks to this false debate
How 2016 can make you the goat when you lose twice in a row After that vs the same team, cemented them as the 3rd dynasty since you are in the League when yourself with two superteams didn't succeed to create one, and there is a guy who have a double threepeat in 8 years ( only 5 times a team won 3 or more in a row in NBA history) with the same team but two differents rosters ( minus pippen and Phil) and you choose your number because of him and you have his brand on your jersey?
If in 2016 you feel like the goat
By 2018 you know you are not
Hakeem Olajuwon’s run to the title was far more remarkable to me than the Cavs run.
Agreed. The mavs also.
@@eyalsabag1772that one right there made Dirk the goat ha
Hakeem’s back to back carry job is ghostly underrated
I get that, but… no MJ is all that needs to be said. It probably wouldn’t have happened with how Jerry Krause and him had some issues keeping the second 3peat team together but they could’ve gone 8 straight if he didn’t wanna play baseball.
Hate doing Hakeem cause he was at least top 5 big men like that but there’s definitely an asterisk on his titles.
I know he was there for the second half of the second title run for Hakeem but MJ was so thin and out of basketball shape.
Edit: I agree that it was better than lebrons run. The only thing close is down 3-1 vs the warriors. But honestly that wasn’t all bron, if he didn’t have kyrie he wouldn’t have won. And they only had kyrie cause he couldn’t do it himself like the ogs did it.
@@eyalsabag1772 Another knock against LeBron is being a pin in someone else's cap.
One of the greatest playoff runs of all time was capped by "The King" being toppled off his constructed mountain. There were LeBron lifers and a few fans down in Miami rooting for them in that series and that's it. Everybody else wanted to see LeBron eat it and he did by scoring 8 points in the Finals against a 5 foot 9 inch puerto rican.
He can send a million Klutch automatons out to try to erase the past but we all remember big Bron being the big choke master himself. I asked LeBron James for change for a dollar and he said "I can't carry four quarters." He was literally a joke.
I watched Groovy's reactions to Bird and Magic too, and every time he mentioned, "And he plays defense too?" I got took out. When I was coming up in the late 80s and mid 90s, just on the playground, if you didn't make the handler uncomfortable, nobody let you play pickups. At pro status, you simply never made roster. I'm literally baffled by this era of NBA ball and what it's doing to the perceptions of young fans.
Especially at young age... if you were not best player on the team by far scoring wise, good defender would always be infront of other players
If you didn't play D you were clowned and booted
And now the NBA all defebsive teams are filled with roll players instead of stars
Yeah. They have no idea that to start back then you had to play great defense. Scoring was secondary
I had zero handles put I could hit from anywhere, rebound, and d up. I was never picked first but I was never picked lower than 4th and 2 were the captains lol. Hustle is all d and boards are. If you weren’t trying to win you didn’t play. It was simple.
From the NFL to NBA, we got spoiled in the 90's. It is very hard for me to sit and watch a full NFL and NBA game today because of what I saw in the 90's. It wasn't just Michael Jordan. He was just the best at all of it, but everyone competed as if it was their last game.
Yep. That '96 NBA draft was a monster. I dont think we had a draft like that since. Even Mayweather Jr. came out in '96. And no big man today can stand next to Olajuwon.
80's into the 90's...
MLB too
I cant even watch full 10min of NBA highlights I usually move it to the last 2mins already haha.
That’s the part that kills me. Players in the 90s went all out every single game and played while hurt without even considering sitting out. You can’t compare teams nowadays, mentally not even close.
"6 Championships in 8 years.?!?!"
Now you know why we loath the GOAT debate,kid.
There never was a debate
I could respect LeBron fans if they were honest, but the whole trying to bash and diminish older players to prop up new ones is just a trash way to argue.
What debate? 😉
I consider it 6 championships in 6 years due to MJ being retired one season and then coming back in baseball shape
Or I would even accept 6 championships in 7
@@TheRealMindCrime * propaganda
I’ll watch that video every few months or so. Really was the best goat debate video. Wish that guy capitalized and made more great videos
I love being an '83 baby 😂. 80s babies is the bridge from the old to the new.😂 We got the best of both era.
Preach! 🎉
'84 baby
But now we old 😭
@@SuperJoshuaWorld Shidddd that's a good thing lol. The way this generation is passing away and how mentally messed up they are from these new ideologies is crazy
81 here
Again I give this kid mad props for doing his homework, and coming to unbiased conclusions. 100%.
But I am stunned that these kids don't know about 6 Chips in 8 years, and similar Jordan accomplishments and milestones. We didn't have the interwebs growing up, and we knew about Russell and Wilt and West and Baylor. So again, respect for wanting to learn and know more about the game, but how did we have more knowledge and respect without having "Library of Alexandria" knowledge at our fingertips? It just shows what real heads are up against, that's all.
Solid stuff bro. Keep up the good work.
I just laugh when i see this dude on thumbnail again lol lol ...Now, he 's hooked and with us the oldies after just 2 mixtape.. 🤣🤣..More to come for sure. Great vid anyway - i had fun watching it. Thanks.
It doesn't take much to switch these kids around. That's when you really know there's no goat debate.
Groovy, we ol heads are proud of you. You've earned an honorary ol head badge ❤🤗
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Note how in the opening dunk highlights of the video nobody is anywhere near LeBron while he goes up but Jordan has guys hanging off him when he launches.
Lol you know why
I thought the same thing lol but that's what most of lebron's highlights look like, so it's not too surprising.
LeBron fans conflate "greatest of all time" with "favorite player." And I get it, people gravitate towards the players of their era, but I'm convinced that this is why they won't cede any territory in the goat debate. Their attachments are entirely emotional, so criticisms of LeBron's game are taken personally.
I love Steph, but MJ is the greatest of all time and there are many other players on the list before Steph.
Bingo. Fan love turns blind eyes to any arguments that claim our fan love objects are anything other than the best in all things. Most of us outgrow it eventually-- this video's interesting because it looks like the first step out of that childish mindset. Hopefully Groovy can keep LeBron as his favorite player, and give up that idea that LeBron *must* be THE GOAT to be worth respect and reverence.
As someone who grew up in the 90s, watching MJ was magical. Every game on TV was a must watch. I live in Vancouver and had the privilege to watch him play the Grizzlies the year where the Bulls won 72 games. That was the only live MJ game I have attended. He scored 19 points in the last 6 minutes of the game to come back to beat Vancouver. There are many videos about that on youtube. I still have goosebumps talking about that game. In my office, I have a picture that I took at the game of MJ shooting a free throw. That was before the time of digital cameras. As a high school kid at the time, buying film and developing the pics after was not cheap. I was so happy when the pics came out great. From time to time, I have young basketball fans coming to my office with their parents and they were blown away by the picture. When I talked about MJ in that game. Their eyes were wide opened and their expression were priceless. It is like they were listening to a fairy tale. I agreed with you brother, we old farts were spoiled.
Fairy tail. That's a good way to put it. It sort of was wasn't it?
I have seen the goat comparison video and reactions of Lebron fans, i guess at least 10 times. It never gets old and everytime i realise how blessed i am to witnessed the greatness of MJ and the 90's era.
Congrats on 50k. Been here since very early on. Keep the videos coming
Thank you!!!!
the thing with the longevity...i can't just give that up to lebron. the fact that he's not putting in full 82 game seasons kind of counts out that longevity argument for me. on top of that, it's not like he's hustling to get those points, rebounds, etc....dude just stands there half the time or doesn't even get to the other end of the court. i'd imagine anyone would be able to last this long if they didn't put forth the full effort for those 21 seasons.
I never gave Lebron that Longevity nod, ever.
I saw his entire career & know all the context behind it.
Lebron’s longevity argument is a complete joke! It’s a complete crap 😂 smh
I wish MJ had played until his 40s without retiring ever. Unfortunately after MJs first 3 peat, his father was murdered and he was done and wanted to do other things. I think MJ put it best, others needed a chance to win.
And using game load management and resting on defense. Everyone love it to pay anytime to go to a game and see the star players. Not buying tickets and hope the players are playing on that day ( if the want)
Lebum had more off days then school kids do now😂😂
Bruh. You had me dying laughing with your commentary 😂😂😂. But you're right, Groovy is a logical young dude. I respect him. Nothing wrong with still being a Bron fan.
I been watching his reactions too. I appreciate this kid. He’s willing to be objective despite having never seen MJ play.
I feel the same way. His journey has been fun to watch
great respect to this young generations that acknowledges MJs greatness. respecting all time greats and GOAT MJ.
I watched this young brother's reaction to this video about a week ago and admired his willingness to be open minded to the facts.
Your reaction to his reaction was very entertaining. Very well done, dude 🤌🏾
People seem to forget that ,that same 73-9 Warriors team had to come back from being down 3-1 themselves in the previous round against Okc, which simply proves that their record was better than they actually were...
Wilt is my favorite player of all time, but my GOAT is MJ for everything he did on the court, on both ends for an entire career, and for doing it in such a short amount of time, and for making his teammates better, and for his love and respect for his fans/organization/game of basketball…✌️😎
My guy has always been George Gervin. But, about halfway through MJ's 3rd year, my friends and I all came to the same conclusion. MJ isn't my GOAT, he's THE GOAT.
I like this young man and started watching him just a few weeks ago. But what I've noticed is a lot of these young guys argue without truly knowing the history. How many times during this video did Groovy say he didn't know something that we consider common knowledge, like 10 scoring titles, or 9 all defensive?
I’ve recently found his videos as well and love them. It’s fun to see the look on youngsters faces when it finally dawns on them how great really MJ was. I wish I could go back in time just to watch those games. Unfortunately the footage from back then isn’t the greatest.
Of course! If they knew history, they would call MJ the GOAT
I refuse to debate this stuff with anyone unless we are working with the same set of facts. Because there is no debate when we have the same set of facts.
@@kks2360also true. No debate if there is no holding to same standard
I loled at your point against Longevity. It's the only thing LeBron has, but all the LeBalco Allegations could put an asterisk on even that.
Lol true. But its such a landslide win for MJ that I don't care. Take longevity. MJ wins everything else lol
I watched the Groovy MJ highlight video and I enjoyed his reaction. I think he was sold then....
Don’t worry about the time length brother. This was great content and worth every second. It brings me joy to see a Bron fan humbled by the true GOAT 🐐
57:28 That was the difference between Lebron and Michael..... Lebron would bring practice ethic and work into his games, Michael would bring the work ethic from games into practice!!!!!!!!! Absolutely crazy competitive drive!!!!!!!
i watched Groovy video. he came to Realized who the GOAT is.
Yessir he did
No one can deny MJ if they actually look into it.
I can’t watch todays game, it’s way too soft
Watching Jordan play was like watching captain America fight Hydra.
hahahha love it
this is proof that its' not hate. your channel is the reason I found this young mans channel and subscribed in support of his journey as well. im loving basketball talk online these days.
wait til we all gotta witness Wemby God willing.
Great channel.
and its funny how I wrote "kid" and deleted and re-wrote "young man". lol. we are old heads ahahahaha. im glad we are showing respect.
Thank you! Man, I don't like Lebron and he shouldn't be compared to MJ but I'm not a hater lol. I love basketball and I just want what's good for the game so i speak out against the things bad for the game. But 90% of my channel is appreciating the great things about the game. But yeah, im a hater 😆
Yeah i gotta stop that too. We hated being called "kid" at that age too so its time we learn from that even though its hard lol
MJ all the way :)
Big respect to Groovy for at least acknowledging the GOAT haha
It was a fun reaction 👊🏽💪🏽
totally agreed. I'm glad he accepted it lol
The videos a couple years old but a guy called LegaciiTV watched this video and legit looked like he was having his heart ripped out of his chest!! One of the best reactions I've seen
He's funny. The way he was looking at his lequeen poster...😂😂😂
@mpound97 he was so disappointed in LeChoke James!! 1 of the funniest Jordan reactions I've seen to this point so far
The RealMindCrime reacted to LegaciiTV’s realization way before this reaction already.
Beating the Juggernaut, is a one trick thing. Only happens every couple of decades. Happens more often now due to Vegas and all pro and college leagues influencing play and outcomes.
This has got to be the funniest video ever... LOVE IT!!! The narrator laughing at groove in the background is hillarious..
lol!
It was truly amazing to watch. I honestly wish this kid could have watched it, you can tell he gets it.
Haaa, I'm on his channel and really liked his reaction however, your reaction to his reaction has got me laughing my tail off. Thank you, this was great!
Lol react inception for the win!
That's how the conversion from "LeBron is the goat " to "MJ is the Goat " starts 👏🏾😂
I Saw this earlier, morning time blessings bro, he is definitely convinced that MJ is the Goat
Yup. This one stamped it for him lol
Bruh 25 under wouldn't know nothing about our goat Jordan.
Im 25 and a lakers fan so I grew up thinking he was the Goat, and learning about Jordan just makes u realize thats a tough mountain to climb 😅
I know lol. I'm juat glad to see him putting in the effort to learn and understand us
Try 30 & under👊🏿
I applaud the respect for clearly who the GOAT is 🤷🏾
What a kind dude. He admit all... it never happen on a social or here on RUclips! Top. I'll follow him
Another thing these young bucks don't realize is. MJ did all this damage without the 3pt shot in his arsenal.
My respect 🙏 to Groovy for realizing the obvious 👏👏👏if only all Lebron fans could be as reasonable
I'm proud of you young buck. It takes a lot for a man to admit when they are wrong! There should be more young bucks like you
Groovy took an honest look at this video. I'm proud of him, too. Dude watched with an open mind and avoided getting into his feelings.
Agreed. He earned my respect here
I'm 41 from the Midwest (20 mins from chicago to be exact) even saw mj live on many of occasions even the 72-10 season and also been a diehard laker fan since I was 6 or 7 years old and still can't deny how great MJ is my favorite player is Kobe and as I just I stated imma die hard laker fan so I'm rooting for LeBron like crazy but MJ Is and undoubtedly the goat in my eyes
The question is... why are we talking about LeBron vs. Jordan.... let's talk about LeBron vs. Kobe, Vs Steph,, Vs. Bird, Vs. Magic, Duncan,Vs Thomas, Wade, Dirk.... stop this stupind thing. There is no LeBron Vs. Jordan.
Never gets old seeing Lebron staring a hole into the ground while saying that one right there made me the greatest 😂😂😂😂bron always sounds certain doesn’t he? 😭😭😭
He’s one of the few youngsters that have an open mind
I agree. He's pretty cool so far
I love watching these. SLG definitely doesn't know about the Shaq/Kobe era I would bet. He needs to go though a good doc on that too. There are Sooooo many narratives regarding Jordan he has no idea about. Off the top of my head, the 1997 finals, he had a buzzer beater game winner, the flu game, and the final pass to Kerr for the series winner. Also so many videos. I think its a Johnny Arnett video where he shows that Jordan was the best/should have won the MVP from like 1987-1993 straight - his accolades are absolutely underrated (something we can't say about Bron) because they got sick of giving it the MJ - also see the 1997 season!
We witnessed it and we still can’t comprehend what he was!
I'm still amazed!
Cool, you watched it.. yea.. he really seen it watching through this...
This one is a good one, hes trying to learn and willing to be honest with himself.. its always a joy to watch them realize..
But sad, caus they narly always say "I just wish I got to see it"
This comparison video is pretty thorough and on point though
They never mentioned that 3 to 1 comeback had a unfairly suspended Green mid finals.
Kyree arguably could have been mvp of those finals as well
@Lomno12 he should have IMO
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@@Lomno12 Kyrie would have been if not for that block at the end. That sealed it for Bron, coming back home and bringing a title to Cleveland after the "decision." He had "plot armor" in that storyline and got the game saving block so I can't fault the judges for giving it to him.
All bias aside he can do some pretty amazing things when he doesn't quit on his team like a baby 🤷♂
Kyrie did save him......but that's nothing new lol
Unfairly my ass. Draymond is a dirty ass player who should get suspended more than he does. He never learns and never apologizes. You see him grabbing rookie Zach Edey's leg trying to injure him in a regular season game?
Love watching your reactions to groovys reactions. I was born in 85 so I grew up with Jordan in the 90s. Keep up these great vids bro ! 👊🏽 💯
Thank you!
The thing also about Jordan is that it was must watch tv when he played. One thing I did see him in Barcelona, but was to young to know much. As I started watching more of the NBA. I remember before the 1st game I saw Jordan play. It was in 1993 playoffs vs New York when the Bulls were down 2-1, and I remember thinking, let me see how good MJ is. Jordan had 54 points that game.
I watched his vid reaction on his channel and I was laughing and laughing cause of his facial reactions 😂 I even commented on that vid reaction and told the youngster, he got my respect, 💯% that as a solid LBJ fan had the got guts to admit that MJ is very far, much better that his goat, that's a "genuine fan". that's tough man to admit on your own platform! hands up 🙌 yes, it's true NUMBERS and STATS don't really LIE! MJ is still my GOAT and it will stay that way forever! ✊
just like in KPOP, Twice is chasing really hard what BLACKPINK's achievements and yet, they failed over and over and over and over and over .... and the cycle keeps going on! 😂
Love it 😆
I enjoy this guys videos. He’s been watching a lot of MJ stuff lately and seems to have been persuaded.
bro, when you were laughing watching his reaction i was also laughing hard here. this video really made my day. thanks, man!
Thanks max. That makes me happy to hear.
Thats funny cause I was a HUGE Bills fan as well. But lets face it...its unheard of to go to 4 straight SBs. Best untitled team of all time. If they hadnt missed that first Norwood field goal they might have gone for 5 straight lol
Really love ur video bro!!!
That video has to be the best example to use about who the goat is. There's no bias, no narrative, nothing like that. Just straight facts to comparing two players in the goat conversation.
I'll have to sub to Groovy too.
man i love this one brother i had so much fun im definitely going to share it with my lebron loving friends 😂
The narrator says "how you feel yooung man" "proud of you groovy proud of you man" lmao!!!!
I totally respect MJ as the goat even though him and the bulls broke me in the 1993 finals. My favorite player is always Barkley - also have so much love and respect for the great Kobe Bryant
Great reaction, and I agree, huge respect to Groovy for being honest with himself. I grew up playing and loving basketball all through high school in the 90s. I was never a Bulls fan, but I still loved watching MJ play. He's definitely the GOAT. As for my favorite player, I'd have to go with "Pistol."
The most underrated player in NBA history is pistol Pete scored 68 points without a 3 point line and still has the NCAA basketball scoring record. MJ is the goat and pistol Pete is the goat of the NCAA
That video is the only video i can watch over and over and over again. Love watching Lebron fans realize the truth. Respects to this dude tho.
"...has captured the public's attention for the last several years..." ya, to state the obvious, this "debate" is what the media has been pushing for years and years... the "argument" pushing a Top 20 historical basketball player to the top 2 is beyond tired, it's essentially a joke.
Great find here, this guy is fun to watch and his openness/humility refreshing for a young LBJ fan, hell we could all take a cue from him.
Imagine if the Bills won in 93-94. It would change the entire perception of the Cowboys dynasty and cement that Bills team as one of the greatest ever.
Absolutely it would've!
The Bills really only had a chance to beat the Giants.
They should’ve won.
And maybe that propels them into beating Wash and Dallas
Jordan's accomplishments showed he was the best all around..not just his words, or staying long enough to cheat the system, but still can't reach Jordan's heights or Kobes for that matter.😅
I'm subscribed to Groovy, I like his reactions. He's a rare unbiased LeBron fan. And I respect that.
Same here. Seems like a cool guy
It’s so much fun to see our favorite newer RUclipsrs get their flowers. Your channel has skyrocketed because of your honest takes and reactions. Normally I’m not a “ reaction” video guy but your I really enjoy watching you’re. Luckily I have a job where I work from home so I’m listening to your videos and others all day long.
This vid keeps on giving me goosebumps.
You hit the nail on the head! If he hadn't inserted himself in a conversation he Never deserved to be in, us ol heads had no problem with him. In other words, he knew his place and should've stayed in it. Instead, he let his mouth make a check his playing couldn't cash. And now he's being assasinated at every turn, along with all his fanboys with the FACTS.
Exactly. As much as I like D Wade, if he came out today saying he was the GOAT then I'd make it a point to prove that he's not. It's not about hate, its about crowning the true winner of winners and thats MJ
😂 I've watched way too many of your videos. I'm starting to see these vids days before you react to them
The league did evolve until 2010. So Jordans wins WERE more impressive than Russel's. Objectively.
This kid actually gets it and more educated than most lebron fan
Agreed
Him realizing how great Jordan was is heartwarming 🥹
I never get tired of watching LeBron fans watch DP's video. It's hilarious to see their faces when reality starts sinking in. 😂
Man, that clip of chuck talking about their loss to the bulls still stings.
The suns were the better team that year. We don't hear people talking them up because they lost.
"That he go with the flop," killed me 😂😂😂
I saw it in real time. Draft day till he retired from the wizards. While witnessing it throughout, I didn’t truly know, we didn’t truly know as a society how amazing he was then. Now looking back, it truly sinks in. Gives me goosebumps. I will never understand how and why ANY PLAYER is compared or debated with or against MIchael Jordan. The man simply never took his foot off the gas. His throttle was to the floor every single f@cking game!!! No exaggeration…..
So much i could say, I was in middle school when Bird and Magic came into the league in H.S. when Jordan came in
All i can say is i was blessed to see that era, to be a witness
Like Sean Beam said at the end of Troy:
I lived in the time of Achilles,
I lived in the time of legends...
I'm proud of you too. And it's not because you changed your mind. It's because you were truly open-minded and allowed yourself to take in the facts. If you had done that and still made a case that made sense for Lebron being the GOAT...I would be puzzled and might not agree but I'd still be proud of your approach and have deep respect. That's so different from the closed-minded, "no amount of real facts will change my mind" (who allows themselves to think that way about any subject?) people that aren't willing to relax and truly examine the other side of a debate.
Huge respect. And now a new subscriber. Can't wait to check out your other videos and what comes next. If for no other reason....you're just a reasoned person and I like that approach. Great reaction and thanks so much!
Here is the comparison I think most relevant:
Take a stat that measures how good a game (or season) a player had (pts per game, for example).
(Take playoff games only? This ensure they were playing against serious teams.)
Organize each players games (or seasons) from best to worst according to this stat.
Plot the games (or seasons) from best to worst.
Whose line lies above the other? While Lebron's line will be longer since he has played so much longer, what we care about it who had the best games (or seasons). Lebron's longevity means he got more chances to have better games (or seasons), but the longevity as such doesn't make any of his game (or seasons) any better.
The 2016 series was rigged for LeBron to come back and win the finals on the actual King James birthday. Also King James' son started the CAVALIERS. No such thing as coincidence
42:05 Agree with what you are saying here. I think the biggest problem standing in the way of younger people understanding how great Jordan was is the fact that never saw full games, the only see highlight reels. Highlight reels are fun but they lack context. If I see Jordan dunk 100 times, I get bored no matter how spectacular they are. But watching how he played all out every game, watching how he dominated the end of games (what Magic Johnson would call "winning time"), and watching how he improved his game every single year to overcome weaknesses that might have cost him during the previous year. People forget he was criticized by the local press here in Chicago for "resting on defense" when he got tired. The next year he won defensive player of the year. People forget he went from having a good midrange game to having one of the best of all time. When the Pistons, Knicks, and Pacers used to beat up on him physically, he got in the weight room and built up the strength and conditioning to win. It is hard to look back on all that and understanding without seeing it, just as it is impossible for me to understand Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robinson, or Bill Russell.
Have to say… like this kid.
It has to be hard to swallow it after watching this, but credit to this young man. So many funny moments and the look of realisation on his face is just incredible.
Groovy, you got yourself a fan here.
This is the issue with many young kids nowadays. They don’t have the information nor do they look for it. Credit to Groovy 👍🏻
I agree with you with the helm praising LeBron from being down by three games against the warriors, even I said that look at Jordan he never lost in the finals and never went to a game 7. Is one thing to be undefeated in the finals, but it's also another thing to never allow a game 7
I totally agree
You're Remedial at best. You can't compare the Warriors to any of the teams Michael Jordan played against.
For real should have been 8 championships in 8 years
Possibly 9 if they didn't break up after 98
I saw this on his channel, and I was laughing at most of his responses.
yeah I enjoyed this one too lol
The Warriors werent that legendary a team in historical perspective, so it matters little they came back from that deficit. And certainly doesnt make him the goat for having done it.
You really did it!!
This the one i was talking about from before❤
andddd there is the thumbnail..hahaha Love it