The fact that Tundra did better than the NEW Trail Boss says a lot about Toyota’s engineering. Tundra gets looked down by most people but Tundra owners know that there is something special about that truck. I have a 2009 Tundra with 237,000 miles on it. I pull a 16ft enclosed double axle trailer loaded with landscape equipment (7,000 lb) pretty much everyday. Solid as a rock.
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The smoothness comes down to the driver!! Brake and a little gas at the same time go a long way. You should do it all over again and switch drivers just like your drag racing.
Yes the drivers drove them totally differently. Tommy was breaking and gasing at the same time and Andre was just hitting the gas. TFL hates the rear locker and always wants to magnify the issue. If you know how to drive off road it’s never a problem and works very well. I have a 19 trail boss with 30,000 miles on it and I have spent a lot of time off road and it performs extremely well. Absolutely would buy another one and feel it’s the best value for the money.
So the Toyota with street tire’s did all of the off road sections with a lot less tire spin and drama, clear winner. Lost the drag race but who drag races a 4WD truck, pointless. The Toyota will outlast the GM by a decade or more.
Tundra is the only truck without rear locker. It’s really a part time awd truck. Don’t over rate the truck. Reliable truck, just not in the performance category any longer.
My boss has a brand new Silverado and already had to take it to the shop for an internal engine issue and then separately for a transmission issue. Not a good look
I traded in my 2014 Tundra CrewMax SR5 in March for a 2020 Trail Boss 5.3L. I loved the Trail Boss for its features and fuel economy, but it started having issues requiring service at nine months and 4700 miles. It actually died a few days after the first service, throwing up several warning with a check engine light and refusing to start. While my wife contacted the auto club, I kept trying to start it, because I KNEW the codes if was throwing up (such as Battery Low, Brake System Failure, etc.) were just wrong. I got it started before a tow was requested, so we drove to the dealer immediately. After a mysterious software update (unavailable during first service) and bleeding of the brakes, I sold it to a dealer. I used my equity from the sale (Tundra trade-in was very good) to buy a 2021 Tundra Double Cab. I know Andre's Trail Boss has been reliable for him, but mine started having problems no truck should have in the first year of ownership with less that 5,000 miles should have, especially since it was only used around town. I loved the look of the Trail Boss, but the lack of reliability ruined the experience for me. Toyota for life.
I have a stock 07 with the 4.7L V8. It's an incredible truck and runs like its brand new. honestly no tundra owner switches to another brands 1/2 ton, they might leave for a diesel, a 3/4 ton or maybe a prius cause times are tough, but none of us are secretly looking at trail bosses at night. But you know the opposite is def true.
Usually tow haul buttons do nothing but hold the gears longer in vehicles, but in the Tundra it also changes the gas pedal response and makes it snappy as hell off the line! Before you guys get rid of this truck, PUSH the tow/haul button and record the look on your faces. And try the drag race again
Agreed! Turn off the nanny's the right way (push and hold traction control until LSD isn't on either, then hit the Tow/Haul button), then run the drag race again! You're going to have a lot of Tundra fans angry you didn't do this.
My 2020 Tundra is a whole different animal in TH. Definitely wasn’t activated in drag races. It would of smoked the tires & launched a lot harder. Last truck was a Silverado, never again!
Like everything there is a trade off. You want better fuel mileage but it comes at the expense of reliability, depreciation and repair costs. I love my TRD Pro, it was the best vehicle purchase I have ever made.
My Tundra gets anywhere from 15 to 17 mpg depending on how much I put my foot into it but I will gladly trade a few MPG's for the reliability I get with it. I know folks with Ecoboost F150's that don't do any better, they for sure have more power but Turbo's aren't cheap when they go. The GM trucks are definitely the most fuel efficient and my father's 2014 silverado averages 17 to 18 and he paw paw's it around, he will eventually run into problems with the AFM and when that happens it will not be cheap, I am glad to have that peace of mind.
@@1jpranger I know the Tundra is very reliable. I have a relative who has a 2007 Tundra and it still runs fine. I came very near to buying a Tundra several times.
@@C10sRule wierd, the two million mile tundras were loaded and towed over their rated capacity, one lost reverse at 760,000 miles and they just fixed the reverse, didnt even rebuild the transmission. The other had a flutter in third gear at 780,000 miles, all it needed was a filter change but the owner went ahead and rebuilt it. Those Aisin transmissions are very stout. I'm willing to bet you had a blockage in the transmission cooler. We had a jeep with a bad transmission and we replaced it. Couple weeks later it came back, I checked the lines with the shop air and it was completely blocked. Replaced the radiator and rebuilt the trans and it was fine after that. None of my dads 2013 tundras have had any issues. We had some where inworked in the oilfield and despite the big 3 worshippers dogging the hell out of them because they hated foreign automakers, they were the only trucks that never had a single break down at all.
@@1jpranger So much blather about Toyota's "legendary reliability". If Tundras are so much better, when did GM sell over 7X as many full sized trucks as Toyota?
To be fair the Michelins seemed to keep traction as much or more than the Goodyears. Aesthetically the are less desirable, but they seemed to function with no issues. I bet the Michelins have better sidewall construction as well.
I buy nothing but tundras and I love the Miches. Get bout 50K miles outta them. Great all around tire but then Im 59 yrs old and my off roading days are over
@C-Bomb on dry rocks, the michelins will actually have an advantage. They are much more heavily siped, and will give many more biting edges. The Duratracs will not show an advantage until you need the tread clearing of the more open tread. Such as in some mud etc...
The Toyota is close to the Trail Boss Custom... which is about $10K lower in price. I bet if they combined breaking with the rear locker, it may work smoother....
Thomas Rossi no sir, the resale value on my f250 was excellent. Ford super duties hold their values really well. Mine only had 11,000 miles on it so it was like brand new.
Tundra is a far superior vehicle, even after 13 years without a full refresh. There's also a reason why the tundra has probably only lost 2% of its value, and the trail boss is already worth 50% less.
If any vehicle was in the market for 13 years they should be perfect. But it’s not about reliability it’s about marketing. That’s what keeps these auto manufactures alive. Toyota sales 220k a year compared to GM 850k a year.
@@lokkstarproductions6918 yeah and that's exactly why the tundra is a safer buy. Chevy Ford and RAM come out with a new truck every time the wind blows. They don't perfect one and they are off building the next $60k pile of crap.
brian beck tundra just recalled 180k+ units. You definitely don’t understand the market. FYI toyota don’t invest in their truck market. If you think it’s because it is so reliable they keep the truck that way you are insane. The most popular rav4 and camry gets a make over every 3-4 years. They are not interested in the truck market. Competing with the big 3 in truck market is a lose and no brainer.
I bought a 2021 Toyota Tundra platinum 5.7 iforce and I love it! I put a Radium catch can and Genuine cooling large aftermarket transmission cooler on it. The truck came with airbags/airlift, clear bra, bed liner, and trifold cover. I love the color match platinum look. I traded my 2019 Chevy LD for the tundra and everything about the tundra just feels like better quality that will last.
The driver makes a difference. The duratrac with the trail boss should do better with the rear lock and higher departure and approach angles. You have to know how to wheel spin the g80.
If I was in a life or death situation, I'd pick the Toyota to get back to civilization, not the shitty chevy silverado that stalled out in little Caesars arena lol.
No fuel tank skid on the Trail Boss or AT4, Toyota gives you a plastic fuel tank skid. Not sure either would do good if you high centered it on a rock. There are endless aluminum and steel skid plates available for the Tundra (Toyota in general), not so much for the GM trucks.
@@dalephillips8250 I just can't get over how the tundra had street tires and no locker no Hil decent control and still destroyed the GM and it doesn't have a money pit leave you stranded addition 3 or ecotec 3 and the hill decent control in the tundra is called hand foot control
@@dalephillips8250 Because it doesn't make the truck faster when drag racing. You can see the GM is faster when Tundra gets a head start but still loses... Tow Haul wouldn't change that outcome since you're pinned and using full power/gearing. Tow Haul makes the throttle more sensitive, thats all. When throttle is already buried in the firewall, it makes no difference.
The question to you both is that which vehicle will last longer? Let say if I owned both truck and in 10 years from now if I drive both of them equally with same mileage, which will I have less issue with it after the 10 years this means that I will spend less money fixing it and which one is still running good?
Be smart Toyota being using the same Engine and transmission for long time meaning they will last long time Toyota is not like other brands if they make mistake they don’t replace with a new one the fix the problem instead
@@Pabloperes675 it actually does, makes the throttle response way sharper and gives slot more throttle under light throttle. Changes throttle mapping and shift points. Doesnt make any more horsepower, but does sharpen the throttle substantially. To the point that if you're empty you can accidentally squeal tires real easy because of how much sharper the throttle response an mapping is.
Nice job Andre , finally someone that actually drives the chevy like it should be driven. I'll admit a selectable locker would be best for the chevy. It doesn't look pretty sometimes but the g80 gets it done.
The traction control is not off if a-lsd is enabled. You have to hold it for 5 seconds while stopped. And then hold it for another 5 seconds. It is off when it says traction control disabled.
why...they hardly ever get to the used car lots....mind you lots of used Detroit three in the used car sales....hmmm wonder why that is? and no its not cause they sell more of them....its because in 10 years their junk!
@@daman9780 are u sure in 10 years tundras are junk, most chevys wont even make to 100k miles without breaking. I have owned a tundra and they are pretty much the most solid vehicle on the market.
My 2015 Tundra gets to 60 in 8 seconds exactly. I live in Denver and only a few miles from IMI Motorsports, where they are racing. I have used GPS timers to verify my times. I set my truck to 4 Hi, Tow Mode and Manual mode.
Andre is one of my favorite people on this channel.. but it isn't for his off road driving ability. His foot is either on or off. Good video, though. :) It will be interesting to see how the Tundra is updated. Hopefully it will have some type of locker.. though, that ATrac system does pretty well. It always bothered me how Toyota offered lockers in their other vehicles, but never their full size truck? Makes no sense.
I think the Trail Boss would’ve been smoother off road had Andre driven it like the other guy drove the Tundra. They should’ve each made a pass in each truck.
I owned a 2005 Toyota Tundra purchased new from dealer. One year I took it to Glamis CA and I took it up Oldsmobile Hill bone stock, then I said what the hell let’s try going up it in reverse. It made it all the way up in reverse. No one believed me when I told them it was bone stock. I had to pop the hood and show them. Best 1/2 ton 4x4 in my opinion.
With the Silverado G80 you do not have to force it to have that much spin before locking... looked like a lot of user error to me. Mine has been great off-road, and I do not ever find myself having to lay on the gas to crawl in 4 low.
The Tundra is also by far the most reliable truck on the planet, it is also the most AMERICAN made truck on the planet, engine, chassis, and body all built in the great state of Texas, NONE of the Big 3 can say that!
@@Boltdriver70 2018 and 2019 Tundra had 4 recalls each year. 2018 Silverado had 0. As of June anyway the new 2019 Silverado had 1 recall that affected 154 vehicles
That might be the operator. Ive owned chevys for 20 years and have taken them everywhere. Never had the problem andre was. Think his foot wasn't compliant. xD HAHA
@@platinumlawnservice Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, hell, look at the drag race. They switched drivers and it was nearly a different result. Andre's foot is on or off, there is no in between.
I test drove all the major manufacturers besides the full blown Raptor (wouldn’t let me drive it without a signed offer sheet, wtf). TRD Pro rode the best over rough roads (train tracks!!!) by a country mile. Those Fox 2.5 shocks are sweet.
@@zetros2533 Yes. I don't call "the tundra did it smoother" a win. I was referring to the chevy out running it with less horsepower. Of course the tundra should be smoother. It's still the only half ton with a c channel frame. With all that flex it should be smoother...
@@zetros2533 Toyota Tundra: Only half ton with c channel frame. Every manufacture offers an engine with more power. Every manufacture offers better mpg. Every manufacture besides toyota offers a locking differential. Every manufacture offers more towing capabilities. Every manufacture is miles ahead of the toyota tundra. Got the point? And it's *your, dumbass.
I’d be interested in seeing how the different modes on the Chevy would handle that off road course. From my understanding is that “Off Road” mode (according to GM) allows more wheel spin to maintain more momentum. But I would like to see it done in “Normal” and in “Sport” mode.
Definitely not a competition between the exhausts. Also, I believe tundra buyers will trade some fancy features for greater longevity and Chevy buyers would prefer the latest and greatest over proven longevity.
as a guy who's own multiple trucks i love the tundra (sold mine at 190k) but love my 18 silverado a bit more. From experience if you take care of your vehicle almost any truck can last 200-300k miles. I do miss the 4.30 gears but upgrading my silverado to either 4.10 or 4.56 so no big deal. Not to mention I bought my truck NEW for $30k (late year model in 2019). I will say that NONE of the half ton "offroaders" are worth it to me tho. Spent 4k on the suspension and tires and still under the cost of both of these new.
I"m a Tacoma owner...2nd GenB.....I really want a Tundra...but a buddy of mine has a Trail Boss and it's a nice truck....i'm torn...between a Tundra, Trail Boss or an Sierra AT4....I still lean towards a Tundra...hoping to get into one by the end of the year....whether it's 2021 or a 2022 (if and when they are released)
My ears must be defective. I must be the only person alive who doesn’t care for the Tundra TRD exhaust, and I’ve heard it in person. Could be good on a sports car, but I prefer the rich, low lope of the Chevy. More in character for a truck in my mind It’s only problem is volume - specifically lack there of.
TRD Pro owner here. Drone was rough the first ~1000 miles. After that it broke in and sounds so so sweet. Previous truck was a ‘14 GMC Sierra 5.3. Couldn’t hear the dang truck, was like a ghost. At 90k miles my GMC sheared a rocker, dropped a valve and damaged the cylinder. Thanks AFM. Hoping I finally found the truck to drive for the next 200k
I drove a TRD Pro before I bought my off-road and I guess I’m getting old because it was too much in cabin drone for me...and too expensive for me as well lol. Loved it other than that
How does the tundra have no lockers or crawl control or anything? My 4 year old 4runner trail premium model has full time selectable rear locker and crawl control systems... it's not even the trd pro model
I agree the Tundra needs some serious tires from the Factory on the Pro. You mentioned the lack of keyless tailgate locking system. It is an option, I installed the OEM on my 2019 Taco and it works great from the Factory Key Fob. Great video.
Man that flex in the tundra is impressive! And it’s a dual overhead cam engine it is not ancient. And it’s better than that government motors direct injected crazy cylinder deactivation Bs.
Got hold the traction control button twice so it completely turns of the auto LSD it will be faster. If you leave auto LSD on it will modulate throttle
It is purely mechanical. Turning off the G80 locker, is not even possible. The differential has nothing to do with the traction control or stability control.
I added a Pop and Lock device on my Tundra’s tailgate so I can now lock the bed with the remote. It was inexpensive and should come with it equipped from the factory.
Hi, if you drag race the tundra again, don’t know if you’ll are doing this but on my 2019 I turn off the traction control and hit tow haul . It picks up way better . Just a thought
The thing with the Trail Boss though, you can get it for MUCH less. I got the Custom, with 5.8L engine and convenience package upgrade for just under 40k. That is unheard of from any of the competitors for price with those features. you still get all the same capabilities. just a few trim diffs.
@@BreckoniousMaximus custom is base trim. 6 speed trans. Old AFM 5.3L. Smaller infotainment screen on the Custom, Halogen head lamps. The LT has a 5.3L DFM engine, 8 or 10 speed transmission, LED headlights and fog lights. Also a lot more option packages
unless you off road alot it makes next to no difference on the road, the g80 locker is more for noobs that don't know how to use a diff lock or even know they have one, without a front locking diff its not going to be easy to off road anyway
BIGGIEDEVIL a locking diff works so much better in sand. By the time you spin the one tire enough to engage the locker in the g80, your already stuck. Ask me how I know lol
Man that Tundra sounds awesome. I had a 2012 Tundra but no TRD exhaust. I have a 2018 Silverado now and love it. Both are great trucks. Hats off to the Tundra though, still competing with an ancient platform.
I just tried that in my 2020 tundra (it's a lease so hey I'm ok trying full throttle runs lol). Couldn't really tell a difference honestly. I did notice it was downshifting much sooner when I was slowing down though. I could see how that could help when towing down a hill.
@@PsalmFourteenOne Ya but that's an unfair comparison. Even the 5.3 vs Ecoboost is a bit unfair. You'd need to compare Chevy's 6 liter to it to compare something with the low end the Ecoboost has. Toyota doesn't have other engine options for the Tundra sadly. But the one it has is darn good. The trucks in this vid vs the f150 5.0 would be more apples-apples.
mine locks with remote locking....is that something more recent as someone told me they dont have cup holders on back of center console any longer either?
Sean Mobley 7200? That’s about 1500 lbs more then what it is. I would imagine it would be 5500lbs + or so. But no half ton truck dips Into the 7k lbs weight mark as this is HD truck territory.
I have my truck not for racing, it’s for doing job. I don’t care fast or slow, all I care is doing great job for me.i use to have 2001tundra and now I have 2020 Tacoma trd pro. There both doing really good job for me.
The fact that Tundra did better than the NEW Trail Boss says a lot about Toyota’s engineering. Tundra gets looked down by most people but Tundra owners know that there is something special about that truck.
I have a 2009 Tundra with 237,000 miles on it. I pull a 16ft enclosed double axle trailer loaded with landscape equipment (7,000 lb) pretty much everyday. Solid as a rock.
Tommy stops to rev the engine in the Tundra: "This is important consumer work."
Me: "Hell ya, it is." I love the sound of that engine.
i love the engine in the tundra...even without the trd exhaust it sounds great.
Love tundra
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Just traded my 2017 limited and almost got back what I paid for it,traded it in for trd pro,so tundra all the way
The smoothness comes down to the driver!! Brake and a little gas at the same time go a long way. You should do it all over again and switch drivers just like your drag racing.
Yes the drivers drove them totally differently. Tommy was breaking and gasing at the same time and Andre was just hitting the gas. TFL hates the rear locker and always wants to magnify the issue. If you know how to drive off road it’s never a problem and works very well.
I have a 19 trail boss with 30,000 miles on it and I have spent a lot of time off road and it performs extremely well. Absolutely would buy another one and feel it’s the best value for the money.
Thank you for saying that! Totally agree. Both lack a real locker, I do not like the auto locker but I will take that over nothing.
I agree
So the Toyota with street tire’s did all of the off road sections with a lot less tire spin and drama, clear winner. Lost the drag race but who drag races a 4WD truck, pointless. The Toyota will outlast the GM by a decade or more.
Most of us will stop light drag our 4x4's in Canada lol.
You are definitely right, brother!!!.
Tundra is the only truck without rear locker. It’s really a part time awd truck. Don’t over rate the truck. Reliable truck, just not in the performance category any longer.
My boss has a brand new Silverado and already had to take it to the shop for an internal engine issue and then separately for a transmission issue. Not a good look
Zesty Meatballs hater
Tundra's A-TRAC did great job. Transferd power with very little wheel spin.
I hate the locking feature on the tailgate when you lock the doors. My 2017 f250 work truck has it. Glad Toyota kept that separate.
If you wanted, you could pop out the tailgate latch to unplug it. You can still lock/un-lock by key.
It's weird too, because my 2020 Limited has a remote locking tail gate 🤔
I traded in my 2014 Tundra CrewMax SR5 in March for a 2020 Trail Boss 5.3L. I loved the Trail Boss for its features and fuel economy, but it started having issues requiring service at nine months and 4700 miles. It actually died a few days after the first service, throwing up several warning with a check engine light and refusing to start. While my wife contacted the auto club, I kept trying to start it, because I KNEW the codes if was throwing up (such as Battery Low, Brake System Failure, etc.) were just wrong. I got it started before a tow was requested, so we drove to the dealer immediately. After a mysterious software update (unavailable during first service) and bleeding of the brakes, I sold it to a dealer. I used my equity from the sale (Tundra trade-in was very good) to buy a 2021 Tundra Double Cab. I know Andre's Trail Boss has been reliable for him, but mine started having problems no truck should have in the first year of ownership with less that 5,000 miles should have, especially since it was only used around town. I loved the look of the Trail Boss, but the lack of reliability ruined the experience for me. Toyota for life.
I come from the future to warn you Toyota is in trouble now
I have a stock 07 with the 4.7L V8. It's an incredible truck and runs like its brand new. honestly no tundra owner switches to another brands 1/2 ton, they might leave for a diesel, a 3/4 ton or maybe a prius cause times are tough, but none of us are secretly looking at trail bosses at night. But you know the opposite is def true.
I have owned a Tundra and Two Tacomas and am currently purchasing a new TrailBoss
I agree. After owning a 07 tundra I will never own a ford chevy or dodge ever agian. You don't see chevys driving across the artic.
Usually tow haul buttons do nothing but hold the gears longer in vehicles, but in the Tundra it also changes the gas pedal response and makes it snappy as hell off the line!
Before you guys get rid of this truck, PUSH the tow/haul button and record the look on your faces. And try the drag race again
Agreed! Turn off the nanny's the right way (push and hold traction control until LSD isn't on either, then hit the Tow/Haul button), then run the drag race again! You're going to have a lot of Tundra fans angry you didn't do this.
Its stupid. I almost do a rolling burnout everytime I use tow/haul in the tundra.
My 2020 Tundra is a whole different animal in TH. Definitely wasn’t activated in drag races. It would of smoked the tires & launched a lot harder. Last truck was a Silverado, never again!
Yes. . .the Silverado definitely drags better in the T/H mode too.
absolutely, I agree, turn on the tow haul mode, you will be driving a different truck!!!!!!😇😎👍👍👍
I really like both trucks. One drawback with Tundra as an every day driver is the fuel economy.
Like everything there is a trade off. You want better fuel mileage but it comes at the expense of reliability, depreciation and repair costs. I love my TRD Pro, it was the best vehicle purchase I have ever made.
My Tundra gets anywhere from 15 to 17 mpg depending on how much I put my foot into it but I will gladly trade a few MPG's for the reliability I get with it. I know folks with Ecoboost F150's that don't do any better, they for sure have more power but Turbo's aren't cheap when they go. The GM trucks are definitely the most fuel efficient and my father's 2014 silverado averages 17 to 18 and he paw paw's it around, he will eventually run into problems with the AFM and when that happens it will not be cheap, I am glad to have that peace of mind.
@@1jpranger
I know the Tundra is very reliable. I have a relative who has a 2007 Tundra and it still runs fine. I came very near to buying a Tundra several times.
@@C10sRule wierd, the two million mile tundras were loaded and towed over their rated capacity, one lost reverse at 760,000 miles and they just fixed the reverse, didnt even rebuild the transmission. The other had a flutter in third gear at 780,000 miles, all it needed was a filter change but the owner went ahead and rebuilt it. Those Aisin transmissions are very stout. I'm willing to bet you had a blockage in the transmission cooler. We had a jeep with a bad transmission and we replaced it. Couple weeks later it came back, I checked the lines with the shop air and it was completely blocked. Replaced the radiator and rebuilt the trans and it was fine after that. None of my dads 2013 tundras have had any issues. We had some where inworked in the oilfield and despite the big 3 worshippers dogging the hell out of them because they hated foreign automakers, they were the only trucks that never had a single break down at all.
@@1jpranger
So much blather about Toyota's "legendary reliability". If Tundras are so much better, when did GM sell over 7X as many full sized trucks as Toyota?
I would take the Tundra all the way! My AAA doesn't cover towing out in the boonies!
To be fair the Michelins seemed to keep traction as much or more than the Goodyears. Aesthetically the are less desirable, but they seemed to function with no issues. I bet the Michelins have better sidewall construction as well.
I buy nothing but tundras and I love the Miches. Get bout 50K miles outta them. Great all around tire but then Im 59 yrs old and my off roading days are over
@C-Bomb on dry rocks, the michelins will actually have an advantage. They are much more heavily siped, and will give many more biting edges. The Duratracs will not show an advantage until you need the tread clearing of the more open tread. Such as in some mud etc...
Duratracs have terrible sidewalls
@@burntflesh4303 yeah they’re great, quiet and smooth, but I got 34 inch ridge Grappler just for the looks lol
After Tommy witnesses the magic of Michelin LTX tires getting him up the razor rocks better than the Trail Boss: "Not a fan of these tires one bit" 🤨
Remember when all the vehicles didn’t have all the new off road options and you had to know how to drive your vehicle off road yourself.......
Try buying a truck today without all that garbage, literally impossible.
Pepperidge Farm remembers
@@flagovhate Ram 1500 Express with just 4wd
The future is now old man
ok boomer
Like the look of the Trail Boss but ultimately prefer the reliability of the Tundra.
Michael 90 true love the tundra just not a big fan of the mpgs
@@dalephillips8250 lol think he deleted his comment
The Toyota is close to the Trail Boss Custom... which is about $10K lower in price. I bet if they combined breaking with the rear locker, it may work smoother....
not so true...support the amer. full sized truc comp.!!
I still love the Tundra, even if it is "outdated".
I was cracking up at the key for the tailgate!!
Never understood how being outdated was a complaint. Must come from the dummies that buy every new iPhone.
Andre is great, but can’t drive off road
I traded my 2018 F250 death wobble no ford fix and too many headaches POS in on a 2020 TRD Pro Tundra, and it was the best decision I’ve made.
Great decision
I get my TRD OFF road Tundra in September. What Toyota doesn't pass in a drag race' it will pass somewhere down the road.
Barry Hussein Soetoro, did you get killed on the trade value? I was considering trading my 2016 F150 for a Tundra TRD Pro....
Thomas Rossi no sir, the resale value on my f250 was excellent. Ford super duties hold their values really well. Mine only had 11,000 miles on it so it was like brand new.
I have a 2017 f250 gasser for work and it’s been nothing but problems. And I hate the locking tailgate feature. Glad Toyota kept it separate.
Sold my GMC Z71 and got a Tundra 3 years ago. So happy I did
Tundra is a far superior vehicle, even after 13 years without a full refresh. There's also a reason why the tundra has probably only lost 2% of its value, and the trail boss is already worth 50% less.
Smart guy!!.
If any vehicle was in the market for 13 years they should be perfect. But it’s not about reliability it’s about marketing. That’s what keeps these auto manufactures alive. Toyota sales 220k a year compared to GM 850k a year.
@@lokkstarproductions6918 yeah and that's exactly why the tundra is a safer buy. Chevy Ford and RAM come out with a new truck every time the wind blows. They don't perfect one and they are off building the next $60k pile of crap.
brian beck tundra just recalled 180k+ units. You definitely don’t understand the market. FYI toyota don’t invest in their truck market. If you think it’s because it is so reliable they keep the truck that way you are insane. The most popular rav4 and camry gets a make over every 3-4 years. They are not interested in the truck market. Competing with the big 3 in truck market is a lose and no brainer.
If you learn anything about off roading is leave you window up
That’s something I never learn no matter the amount of shit I eat every time 🤦♂️
Apparently that's what you learned instead of how to correctly form a sentence..
If I'm spending $55,000, I'm purchasing the Toyota all day long.
Damn Thanks for telling us we wanted to know that sooooooo bad!!!!!!!
@@DiabloMEX-AMERICAN669, you're very welcome. Any time that I could oblige.👍
I bought a 2021 Toyota Tundra platinum 5.7 iforce and I love it! I put a Radium catch can and Genuine cooling large aftermarket transmission cooler on it. The truck came with airbags/airlift, clear bra, bed liner, and trifold cover. I love the color match platinum look. I traded my 2019 Chevy LD for the tundra and everything about the tundra just feels like better quality that will last.
Tundra exhaust notes rock!
I am partial to the Tundra TRD Pro owner but they both did well. The pro is a classic beast though.
The Tundra is an auditory delight and the only true dual exhaust in the segment.
Have a two wheel drive G80, never have a problem locking up, as long as I have solid ground, with bald tires, I've never been stuck.
Tundra for me. No locker and some all season tires and still did better too.
Those are all terrain tires. It's the Michelin Ltx AT2.
@@bangbang-ko2gi ya put on some duratracs like the chevy and the tundra will outperform even more
The driver makes a difference. The duratrac with the trail boss should do better with the rear lock and higher departure and approach angles. You have to know how to wheel spin the g80.
This review was awesome. The highlight was when Andre sprayed himself trying to climb the razor rock 😂
Great job guys!
Fantastic video TFL! I love all your videos but your Off-Road videos are by far my favourite ones!
Tundra can be all “outdated” but it’s reliability that’s updated!!
😂😂
Yea alright... there is like 1 tundra out of 1 million of the big three.. for some reason that happens
The tundra engine is much more advanced than the Chevy engine.
Meh American cars > Japanese cars
If I was in a life or death situation, I'd pick the Toyota to get back to civilization, not the shitty chevy silverado that stalled out in little Caesars arena lol.
Was that, an unprotected poly fuel tank on the Trail Boss at 7:27? Off road disaster waiting to happen.
no. The poly is the protector for the metal tank
Gm trash Ford trash come on guys don’t break down and still act surprised smh
Kind of like the poly fuel tank on the Tundra at 11:37.
No fuel tank skid on the Trail Boss or AT4, Toyota gives you a plastic fuel tank skid. Not sure either would do good if you high centered it on a rock.
There are endless aluminum and steel skid plates available for the Tundra (Toyota in general), not so much for the GM trucks.
i would like to see that drag race again with the tundra in tow haul mode and traction control off. it will make a big difference
Yea there would've been black marks 500 feet long and the trailers would have won. Tundra is a way better truck tho
Yup turn it on. Just start off a little lighter to avoid burn out and tundra would pull off better! I know cus I have one
You should of put the Tundra into Tow Haul mode when drag racing it! 😂 The Tundra exhaust is way better!
@@dalephillips8250 They might be tired of Everything beating their long term project truck.
@@dalephillips8250 I just can't get over how the tundra had street tires and no locker no Hil decent control and still destroyed the GM and it doesn't have a money pit leave you stranded addition 3 or ecotec 3 and the hill decent control in the tundra is called hand foot control
Tow Haul mode doesn’t help if your foot is already to the floor.
@@dalephillips8250 Because it doesn't make the truck faster when drag racing. You can see the GM is faster when Tundra gets a head start but still loses... Tow Haul wouldn't change that outcome since you're pinned and using full power/gearing. Tow Haul makes the throttle more sensitive, thats all. When throttle is already buried in the firewall, it makes no difference.
@@gs98999 tow haul changes shift timing too, it would make a difference
the tundra tailgate locking issue is incorrect. I own a 2020 Tundra and mine locks and unlocks with the keyfob.
Tundra hands down is a better truck in my opinion. Good comparison video.
The question to you both is that which vehicle will last longer? Let say if I owned both truck and in 10 years from now if I drive both of them equally with same mileage, which will I have less issue with it after the 10 years this means that I will spend less money fixing it and which one is still running good?
The Tundra does lock the tailgate with the remote. You must hit the button twice.
I like the way the thunder performed can’t wait till I get mine
Be smart Toyota being using the same
Engine and transmission for long time meaning they will last long time Toyota is not like other brands if they make mistake they don’t replace with a new one the fix the problem instead
You need to enable tow/haul mode in the Tundra in a drag race!!!
Naw, it does nothing for the engine.
@@Pabloperes675 all it does make it hold the gears longer and give better throttle response
@@Pabloperes675 it actually does, makes the throttle response way sharper and gives slot more throttle under light throttle. Changes throttle mapping and shift points. Doesnt make any more horsepower, but does sharpen the throttle substantially. To the point that if you're empty you can accidentally squeal tires real easy because of how much sharper the throttle response an mapping is.
If that's the case, then you need to enable tow/haul mode in the Silverado.
Excuses...
Nice job Andre , finally someone that actually drives the chevy like it should be driven.
I'll admit a selectable locker would be best for the chevy. It doesn't look pretty sometimes but the g80 gets it done.
The traction control is not off if a-lsd is enabled. You have to hold it for 5 seconds while stopped. And then hold it for another 5 seconds. It is off when it says traction control disabled.
Technically if you think about it the 5.3 ls is an older motor than the 5.7 in the tundra
I have both trucks just got the trail boss in December last year. Both are nice 👍
Let me say thank you to everyone buying new gen 2 Tundras, so many future used options for me 🙏🙏😂😂😂
why...they hardly ever get to the used car lots....mind you lots of used Detroit three in the used car sales....hmmm wonder why that is? and no its not cause they sell more of them....its because in 10 years their junk!
@@daman9780 are u sure in 10 years tundras are junk, most chevys wont even make to 100k miles without breaking. I have owned a tundra and they are pretty much the most solid vehicle on the market.
@@alanboginskey5458 I think he meant the other big 3 will not make it to 10 years.
da man you know why that is? Because tundra only sells about 100k trucks a year while the the big 3 sell 5-6 times more!!
You're welcome lol. Love my tundra
My 2015 Tundra gets to 60 in 8 seconds exactly. I live in Denver and only a few miles from IMI Motorsports, where they are racing. I have used GPS timers to verify my times. I set my truck to 4 Hi, Tow Mode and Manual mode.
Andre is one of my favorite people on this channel.. but it isn't for his off road driving ability. His foot is either on or off.
Good video, though. :)
It will be interesting to see how the Tundra is updated. Hopefully it will have some type of locker.. though, that ATrac system does pretty well.
It always bothered me how Toyota offered lockers in their other vehicles, but never their full size truck? Makes no sense.
Russians can't drive...ever seen a dashcam compilation?
so at 11:37 I notice the skid cover on the fuel tank........just yesterday I was removing rocks that we're lodged in between the straps...
I think the Trail Boss would’ve been smoother off road had Andre driven it like the other guy drove the Tundra. They should’ve each made a pass in each truck.
For you guys who don't know. The Tundra is more American made the GM, Ford or Dodge, also union made and it's on the union buy list. A fact
The tundra did it smoother because Tommy drove it smoother. Andre was going nuts with that truck.
To get a pitiful G80 to engage.
Those g81s operate a lot smoother if you know how to use it
I meant g80 Siri decided to write a different
I owned a 2005 Toyota Tundra purchased new from dealer. One year I took it to Glamis CA and I took it up Oldsmobile Hill bone stock, then I said what the hell let’s try going up it in reverse. It made it all the way up in reverse. No one believed me when I told them it was bone stock. I had to pop the hood and show them. Best 1/2 ton 4x4 in my opinion.
Tundra did better on the crawl even though it’s tires look much less aggressive than the Trail Boss. Wow
With the Silverado G80 you do not have to force it to have that much spin before locking... looked like a lot of user error to me.
Mine has been great off-road, and I do not ever find myself having to lay on the gas to crawl in 4 low.
It’s funny, their reviews on Chevy is the Glass is Half Empty but never half full.
Andre, my man, you had the Trail Boss for how long? Gotta learn how to use that locker.
Lol I have one also and don’t know how to use the locker on it
@tfltruck why you guys haven't tested the tundra with the tow/haul botton and see if there any outcome when head to head drag race with the trailboss
The Tundra is also by far the most reliable truck on the planet, it is also the most AMERICAN made truck on the planet, engine, chassis, and body all built in the great state of Texas, NONE of the Big 3 can say that!
Well they've got enough years to protect it like 13 or something. Although last year they still had more recalls than the brand new Silverado. Weird
Kelsen James BS
@@kelsenjames7154 lol no they didn't
@@Boltdriver70 2018 and 2019 Tundra had 4 recalls each year. 2018 Silverado had 0. As of June anyway the new 2019 Silverado had 1 recall that affected 154 vehicles
@@kelsenjames7154 lol....bullshit.
How big is the fuel tank on the tundra? That thing looks like it’s 8 ft long
38 gallons
it gets about 9mpg highway it needs every gallon it can get
I’m getting 16.1mph...65% highway, 35% city. Love mine TRD Pro! Hand calculated with Fuelly.
I get 15 to 16 mpg in normal everyday driving in my 2018 1794 tundra.
I think people underestimate the grip of those ltx tires on the TRD
Agreed. I've had them on a few vehicles. They are WAY more grippy than the tread pattern suggests. Excellent in snow, as well.
@@wade7959 Michelin just makes damn good tires
@@thehayman7352 I have a 1996 s10 and I put micheline on it every 6 years. Tires are worth more than my truck but damn they are the best .
Tundra looks way more compliant off road.
That might be the operator. Ive owned chevys for 20 years and have taken them everywhere. Never had the problem andre was. Think his foot wasn't compliant. xD HAHA
@@platinumlawnservice Yeah, I'd agree with that. I mean, hell, look at the drag race. They switched drivers and it was nearly a different result. Andre's foot is on or off, there is no in between.
I test drove all the major manufacturers besides the full blown Raptor (wouldn’t let me drive it without a signed offer sheet, wtf).
TRD Pro rode the best over rough roads (train tracks!!!) by a country mile. Those Fox 2.5 shocks are sweet.
Damm that Tundra did everything easy
Especially the losing part...
@@co1003 did you watch the end of the video?
@@zetros2533 Yes. I don't call "the tundra did it smoother" a win. I was referring to the chevy out running it with less horsepower.
Of course the tundra should be smoother. It's still the only half ton with a c channel frame. With all that flex it should be smoother...
@@co1003 and it was. So you're point?
@@zetros2533 Toyota Tundra: Only half ton with c channel frame. Every manufacture offers an engine with more power. Every manufacture offers better mpg. Every manufacture besides toyota offers a locking differential. Every manufacture offers more towing capabilities. Every manufacture is miles ahead of the toyota tundra. Got the point?
And it's *your, dumbass.
I’d be interested in seeing how the different modes on the Chevy would handle that off road course. From my understanding is that “Off Road” mode (according to GM) allows more wheel spin to maintain more momentum. But I would like to see it done in “Normal” and in “Sport” mode.
Your tailgate must be broke or something. I have a 2020 tundra and my tailgate locks with the doors.
Tundras have pretty good reliability I’ve had a 2012 tundra since 2012 and it still works very well
Definitely not a competition between the exhausts. Also, I believe tundra buyers will trade some fancy features for greater longevity and Chevy buyers would prefer the latest and greatest over proven longevity.
as a guy who's own multiple trucks i love the tundra (sold mine at 190k) but love my 18 silverado a bit more. From experience if you take care of your vehicle almost any truck can last 200-300k miles. I do miss the 4.30 gears but upgrading my silverado to either 4.10 or 4.56 so no big deal. Not to mention I bought my truck NEW for $30k (late year model in 2019). I will say that NONE of the half ton "offroaders" are worth it to me tho. Spent 4k on the suspension and tires and still under the cost of both of these new.
Toyota always brings it 💯💯💯
I"m a Tacoma owner...2nd GenB.....I really want a Tundra...but a buddy of mine has a Trail Boss and it's a nice truck....i'm torn...between a Tundra, Trail Boss or an Sierra AT4....I still lean towards a Tundra...hoping to get into one by the end of the year....whether it's 2021 or a 2022 (if and when they are released)
Now do a ten year race to see which one falls apart first.
The Chevy would fall apart far sooner than any Toyota would
@@curveballintx yup and I can speak from experience
I just bought a 2022 AT4 6.2. Boy, just tap'n the gas and it's off like a rocket. That engine is a fast SOB.
My ears must be defective. I must be the only person alive who doesn’t care for the Tundra TRD exhaust, and I’ve heard it in person. Could be good on a sports car, but I prefer the rich, low lope of the Chevy. More in character for a truck in my mind It’s only problem is volume - specifically lack there of.
I worked for toyota for two years I used to drive the trd pro almost every day. It sounds like shit!!!
Yeah, I liked the Chevy better. It had a low growl that said.....I'm a V8.
Calvin Nelson you’re not alone, so droney
TRD Pro owner here. Drone was rough the first ~1000 miles. After that it broke in and sounds so so sweet. Previous truck was a ‘14 GMC Sierra 5.3. Couldn’t hear the dang truck, was like a ghost.
At 90k miles my GMC sheared a rocker, dropped a valve and damaged the cylinder. Thanks AFM. Hoping I finally found the truck to drive for the next 200k
I drove a TRD Pro before I bought my off-road and I guess I’m getting old because it was too much in cabin drone for me...and too expensive for me as well lol. Loved it other than that
How does the tundra have no lockers or crawl control or anything? My 4 year old 4runner trail premium model has full time selectable rear locker and crawl control systems... it's not even the trd pro model
I like how Andre actually knows how to drive. They should have him do the mud trails so he can just floor it 😂
I agree the Tundra needs some serious tires from the Factory on the Pro. You mentioned the lack of keyless tailgate locking system. It is an option, I installed the OEM on my 2019 Taco and it works great from the Factory Key Fob. Great video.
Man that flex in the tundra is impressive! And it’s a dual overhead cam engine it is not ancient. And it’s better than that government motors direct injected crazy cylinder deactivation Bs.
Got hold the traction control button twice so it completely turns of the auto LSD it will be faster. If you leave auto LSD on it will modulate throttle
It is purely mechanical. Turning off the G80 locker, is not even possible. The differential has nothing to do with the traction control or stability control.
I added a Pop and Lock device on my Tundra’s tailgate so I can now lock the bed with the remote. It was inexpensive and should come with it equipped from the factory.
It's a $300+ dealer-installed option...
The 4.30 rear end is what slowed the tundra, but necessary for running bigger aftermarket tires.
That 4.30 ratio is an advantage in a drag race, not a hindrance.
You have to be a scientist to get the Chevy locker to work.
Hi, if you drag race the tundra again, don’t know if you’ll are doing this but on my 2019 I turn off the traction control and hit tow haul . It picks up way better . Just a thought
The thing with the Trail Boss though, you can get it for MUCH less. I got the Custom, with 5.8L engine and convenience package upgrade for just under 40k. That is unheard of from any of the competitors for price with those features. you still get all the same capabilities. just a few trim diffs.
oops. 5.3; you know what i mean though
What is the difference between the custom and LT trailboss?
@@BreckoniousMaximus custom is base trim. 6 speed trans. Old AFM 5.3L. Smaller infotainment screen on the Custom, Halogen head lamps.
The LT has a 5.3L DFM engine, 8 or 10 speed transmission, LED headlights and fog lights. Also a lot more option packages
Pretty sure if you manually select the gear in the tundra with 4lo engaged it activates hill descent. At least it does in my Trd off-road
This Tundra has been around since 2007 and it’s still kicking ass
When are you guys going to modify the trail boss? Rock sliders? New shocks? Bigger tires? Bumper with a winch?
Or buy a powerwagon instead.
Im a chevy guy, but Im not buying a new one until they put a electronic locker into it.
unless you off road alot it makes next to no difference on the road, the g80 locker is more for noobs that don't know how to use a diff lock or even know they have one, without a front locking diff its not going to be easy to off road anyway
BIGGIEDEVIL a locking diff works so much better in sand. By the time you spin the one tire enough to engage the locker in the g80, your already stuck. Ask me how I know lol
Man that Tundra sounds awesome. I had a 2012 Tundra but no TRD exhaust. I have a 2018 Silverado now and love it. Both are great trucks. Hats off to the Tundra though, still competing with an ancient platform.
Push the Tundra tow/haul button, hold on for dear life, and then see what it does off the line.
Get dusted by a F-150 EcoBoost.
That's what. 😆
Then it breaks down idiot thought you figured this out by now smh
I just tried that in my 2020 tundra (it's a lease so hey I'm ok trying full throttle runs lol). Couldn't really tell a difference honestly. I did notice it was downshifting much sooner when I was slowing down though. I could see how that could help when towing down a hill.
@@PsalmFourteenOne Ya but that's an unfair comparison. Even the 5.3 vs Ecoboost is a bit unfair. You'd need to compare Chevy's 6 liter to it to compare something with the low end the Ecoboost has. Toyota doesn't have other engine options for the Tundra sadly. But the one it has is darn good.
The trucks in this vid vs the f150 5.0 would be more apples-apples.
@@yoster77 Read the manual - tow-haul is for exactly that - increased engine braking down hill.
mine locks with remote locking....is that something more recent as someone told me they dont have cup holders on back of center console any longer either?
Did you guys mention the weight of the trucks ?
Not sure on the chevy but Tundras are pretty heavy at 7200 lbs for a Crewmax 4x4
Sean Mobley 7200? That’s about 1500 lbs more then what it is. I would imagine it would be 5500lbs + or so. But no half ton truck dips Into the 7k lbs weight mark as this is HD truck territory.
@@BOSSARU117 lmao!!!!
@@9663mu exactly. They are about 5,500-5,600 lbs
A quick Google search shows that Tundras weigh anywhere between 6800 to 7200 lbs
I have my truck not for racing, it’s for doing job. I don’t care fast or slow, all I care is doing great job for me.i use to have 2001tundra and now I have 2020 Tacoma trd pro. There both doing really good job for me.
I'd go with the tundra. Reliability over everything
I think the driver had everything to do with which truck won. In my opinion, Tommy is the best driver in these offroad scenarios.
I paid 45 for my trail boss and that one had the 6.2
Don't worry. No Tundra can 5th wheel tow...ever.
Oh yeah I know; most people anyway buy a Ford or Chevy if they wanna tow.
This test wasn’t about towing. Just saying.
You guys should put a Carven R muffler on the trailboss
NO YOU’RE WRONG! The Chevy Trailboss makes the best sound as you lower the windows and listen to that Toyota crawl right past you 😂 😂 😂
Question is which is going to last longer
I’d take the Tundra 100%.
I snorted really loud watching Andre's face get sandblasted in slow motion! LOL
Still love my ancient 2007 Tundra 4x4 with the exact same 5.7 and 6 speed as the 2020 in the video lol. Just broken in with only 118,800 on the clock.
Both good trucks. The biggest difference was in the drivers. I don't know where you're buying trucks, but my Trail Boss LT was only $47,000.