Planned OBSOLESCENCE on X58 CPUs...!? and RE: HUB i7-980x
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So upon recent testing with X58 I buried my head in it quite a lot, and found some very weird discrepancies that I decided to pursue, which relates to Microsoft Windows 10, and interestingly enough, popular multiplayer titles. So does X58 still have life left in it? Let's discuss. I also check out the i7-980x video that people keep sending me from Hardware Unboxed and I analyzed the it too and give my opinions on it.
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#x58 #itaintfinished #youjusthavetogiveitsometechyeslovin'
They'd have to pry it from my cold dead body
i have one too.
@@blackaxiom421 #UDR3
LMAO
Man so much love for that x58 beast :)
more like from your cold dead motherboard
HA! ( well I 'm still running a i7-2600K)
Thums Up to get Brian to install Windows 7 and re-test this !!!!
Yes please
I am using x5650 @4ghz for two years with gtx 980ti
But if the games shown here are getting game updates on win 7, then it will show the same :(.
@@techyescity i think it is about the windows 10 update not the games updates
Good Idea!
dude you are literally THE source for x58 and x79 revivals. don't sweat the haters. you know your shit and we know you know it. Solid video and you have some very valid points about his x58 benchmarks. I love steve's videos and channel as well, but I have to agree with you here. Yes, it is old, but what does that matter if the shoe fits. The bottom line for computers in general, both hardware and software related has always been - "does it suit your needs?" future proofing comes after that question and after the budget imo.
Well said. And thanks for the compliments, we have some juicy x79 stuff in the works this month.
ryzen 1st gen will be what x58 is now
I'm on an i7 2600k and 3770K and I'm not noticing any huge slump in performance. My systems are exhibiting some glitches from time to time, but I'll keep them for as long as I can. Upgrades are inevitable, but it is still good to keep your electronics for as long as you can. As there is far too much e-waste out there. I was still watching a 32" CRT TV (HD) until around 18 months ago when it started to smoke. It's nice to upgrade, but only when it's necessary.
@@techyescity can you compare the xeon rigs? Which is the best for future gaming?
A wise man once said "there is no bad PC but just a bad price." and X58, if you get for the right price, is a solid platform and I'm happy there are people still advertising its capabilities even though its aged a lot by now.
I've watched your video and I'm almost 100% certain this comes down to a newer Spectre/MD-patched microcode. Disabling Spectre/MD via registry will not disable newer microcode loaded by Windows after Windows Updates like KB4465065.
To make sure no microcode is loaded by the OS, you'd have to take ownership of and rename/delete mcupdate_genuineintel.dll. This will make sure only the motherboard BIOS microcode will be loaded. Some Broadwell-E users still have to do this after MS shipped a broken microcode disabling overclocking via Windows Update.
I'm thinking that with the advent of more and more performance-inhibiting patches we really do need an indication about what microcode was used, especially since W10 gives you almost no choice in the matter and newer Spectre/MD patches are increasingly lowering performance with every new fault that is discovered.
Thank you for this. I didn't know about it. Very interesting.
Would really love a followup video to this one if you figure out anything definitive! Just about to put my own X58 system into use, just got a P6X58D-E & x5675
Thanks dude! That's why my overclock on the 6800k reset by itself. I thought my motherboard went somehow crazy lol. Since I'm using Linux 90% of the time, I didn't take into account that the OS could have been the fault. Guess I'll better stick to Linux since this guys at Microsoft keep screwing up! Man I'm so done with Windows...
You can use the tool Inspectre to disable Spectre/MD mitigations on Windows 10. I guess the program disables the registry settings which enable/disable the functionality from the OS side. Having the newer microcode should not be an issue in itself then.
kbc8090 almost the same setup, only that I am on a x5650, 16 Gigs of ram and a 780, love it and it serves me well, overclocking my 780 gives me nice frames in BO4 1440p all low (obviously), gonna get me a 980ti or 1070 soon, not planning to upgrade but if all this dilemma of a paid-intel-obsolescence is actually being forced, i‘ll upgrade to ryzen
Thank you for covering the X58 computers. Your videos have been invaluable to me and my son as we together built a X58 system from scratch and I've also been tinkered with X58 Dells for a few years now. Is X58 going down hill?.. not as far as we are concerned. We'll keep playing with them and keep watching your videos. We don't plan to switch any time in the future. Gaming is awesome with our rigs and a big part of that is thanks to your videos. The only bad thing about your videos is pricing has gone up on the X58 platforms as more people realize the advantages of this older tech. I think I got my t3500 for $60.00 or $70.00 and that was with a W3690 about 2 or 3 years ago which included shipping and now they are double or triple that and you have to play shipping as well. :) Keep up the good work brother!
Although I am one who chases the best new stuff, I appreciate your thorough coverage of these older platforms. Not everyone can afford the best or they want to tinker with it as a hobby. You offer coverage on older hardware that can get people into PC gaming that might not be able to otherwise, which is an awesome win in my eyes. Good Going, Keep up the good work. Can't wait till you have 500K subs you def deserve it!
10:21 mom, i'm on tv!
finally some recognition, amirite?
Meltdown & Spectre patches are probably having an effect on these older Intel CPU's.
Doesn't mean these CPU's aren't a good budget option, nothing is stopping them from playing games right?
yep, I feel like these patches are shoved down our throat even though the real risk for the average consumer is extremely low
I can understand the need for those patches for people who work on critical data that has to kept private but the average joe who play games
browse the web consume media and do some video/photo editing here and there there is no real point.
But Bryan said in his video that he disabled those patches using the Registry keys to turn them off (assume the same keys provided by Microsoft in their documentation). MS provide exact documentation to turn these patches on or off. On Windows clients they are on by default after patching, but you can set a registry key to turn it off. On Windows server they are off by default after patching but MS provide you the keys you need to enable it (or use GPO). Would have been nice if Bryan showed results with patch on vs off, i expect he would have got even lower numbers with those patches on.
@@brendanfarthing MS could also upload micrcodes into BIOS directly, is it possible to disable them once it happen?
If i remember correctly it's only 5-24% on newer chips and If I remember correctly on these older stuff it should be 20-30% slower. JW if @Yes Tech City noticed the difference.
I paid 25 dollars for an x58 system about 2 years ago at a local thrift store. Case, motherboard, power supply, CPU and CPU cooler and even a 4gb stick of ram all because they thought it was done...turns out the ram wasn't seated all the way into the slot lol
My Xeon X5670 Hex Core is still a beast and going strong. I don't use it much anymore but its an awesome chip even now.
Those LGA 1366 Xeons were beast!!!
@@videocardsvs7445 Yup, people are to this day surprised by the performance you can get from those chips.
Yooo I watch your vids and did a $100 aio based on your vids FOR my own x5670!!
@@trv88r Are you serious? LMAO! That is freakin awesome man. Maybe put some pictures of your AIO on reddit or IMGUR and link em in one of my videos, I'd love to see the kind of stuff I inspired people to do with that lol!
I have a Xeon X5670 on my main PC, currently I have it overclocked to 4.32GHz
Not a big surprise. I haven't had to upgrade. Since 2010. with my x58/x5670 set up. Maybe it's time to ditch windows? I don't mind using Linux.
for gaming linux isnt ready yet
@@KoaIa200 Windows 7 bby
Bingo! With all the source code available in gnu+linux it's much harder to code planned obsolescence into the OS. Could still hide in the BIOS/UEFI or some of the proprietary firmwares that the kernel needs to load to enable some hardware to work or in the proprietary Nvidia driver.
Try some proper Windows, Windows 10 perhaps :)
@@MrKeikari did you watch the video?
Oh look another RUclipsr brought low by "commentators" i'm about tired of this. I've been building PC's since 2005 and I built a X5675 X58 system, based on your recommendations (it was a really fun build) for my nephew and it works great. Quit wasting time on people who comment and have no idea how to build, let alone how PC's work. You do you and make great content and don't worry about the people who just go from review to review saying, oh blah was 10 fps higher or blah was 10 fps lower. No one cares. Keep making great content. Thank you very much, have a nice day.
aww 2005, thats cute. my first build was a 486 DX4 100..... why when I was a boy. ha.
the first PC I played a game on was a 286, amber monocrome monitor, playing a game called GATO, a sub hunting game.
my very first console was the original ATARI 2600.
farrrk I'm old!! wahhhhh! hahaha now get off my lawn!
@@John-gm8ty Aww cute for you. Never said it was my first computer, it was a Apple IIgs. 2005 was when I was decided to get back into PC's. I was born in the 70's, Atari all that. Take your shit somewhere else.
@@ACE454ND I was commenting on you building them since 2005, not owning them :P
as you stated.
my first build WAS that 486, I got the parts from friends who had upgraded and I build the system.
I was born 70 in the dot :P no, I'll keep my shit right here :P
and if you couldn't tell by the rest of my post, I was taking the piss you up tight shitty old fuck.
jesus, can't you handle anything at all?
@@callumhughes8911 Well fuck you.
@@John-gm8ty Nope, i'm old and cranky. I can tell you where you can take a bloody piss mate.
Keep up the good work, Bryan. You know what you are talking about when it comes to older hardware. You are the number one in business. Many other pc tech tubers are so obviously promoting new products not really wanting to bite the hand that feeds them. It was sad to see one of the tech tubers who used to defend older cpus also - suddenly saying how an 8 core is soon a must. Really? I love my new power pc but I'm also fashinated about some older stuff what they are still able to achieve.
"8 Core is soon a must" LMFAO Yeah def a nice sellout there. Meanwhile my 4 Core i5 4670K OC'ed to 4.0 GHz paired with my Radeon R9 390 would like to have a word with Mr. Sellout while it still runs everything at well over 60 FPS EASILY. And what? That's over a 5 year old CPU at this point? And yet it still works just as good for gaming as when it was new.
@@2K-Tan 2 yrs later and 4c/8 thread is still sufficient for most ppl's needs
@@rayanmalik5744 Yes.
As someone who's been using X58 as a main for the last few years (i7 970 @4GHz), I can definitely confirm that my system just seems to be slowing down, especially over the last year. Which is going to end up with me probably switching to X299, it was a good run.
Is the 970 32nm like the xeons?
@@trv88r It's similar
@@hoppstech On W3690 here and have noticed it a bit in exactly the same time frame.
wait for ryzen 2, x299 prices are on top, wait for q2 2019 for prices to drop. If you are planning to get 10+ core version then be ready to get the best cooling possible.
www.grc.com/inspectre.htm
disable spectre, meltdown
Free i7 2600 from my school!!
If you find a used gtx 780 or 780 ti or faster + a Z68 or Z77 motherboard that allows you too increase the max turbo too the highest you can in the bios, you got a pc that will last at least another 4 years, still on a I5 2500 @ 3.9 ghz on all cores & 4.1 ghz on 1 core.
@@Mini-z1994 unfortunately my Mobo is garbage. Previously I had an i5 2400, so getting 8 threads is a pretty massive boost
Awesome score. Is it in a custom built system or a prebuilt?
Hayden Wallis i bought a prebuilt and I upgraded it
i wish i had that cpu for free. i'm on a 2500k @ 4.7ghz but the hyperthreading actually makes a whole lot of difference nowadays.
I've been running a 4.5Ghz x58 along side a very well binned Ryzen 2600 are 4.25Ghz 980ti and 1070. I find them to be really really close in the games I play. Absolutely valid setup if you can find the boards and play! Your recommendation and research on the subject has benefitted a lot of people.
Damn, that's an extremely well binned 2600..
Spectre / meltdown patches slow down older Intel CPUs on Windows 7 and 8.1 also, not just on Windows 10. But in spite of that, Windows 8.1 seems a bit faster than Windows 10 on my 4790k rig. It's always less buggy than Windows 10. I can notice this because I'm running Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 (version 1803) in dual-boot and alternate between them occasionally.
I can consistently get higher cinebench r15 scores in windows 7 vs windows 10 on my E3 1270 V3 Haswell system
ColonelSanderz99 mates i am running windows 10 on my e5 1650 xeon setup should i really use windows 7? That just does not make enough sense to me.
@@mtunayucer You would actually be better off running Windows 8.1 since Windows 7 is going obsolete soon.
Why would you use win 8.1 over win 7? At least win 7 is still supported until next year. Win 8.1 is EOL
@@Vorper Windows 8.1 has up to 2023.
Windows 8.0 is EOL
Even with gimped fps figures, I don't see how those lower numbers mean that x58 is obsolete. You can get x58 cpu and motherboard with at least 8 gb of ddr3 ram for less than getting those newer cpus by themselves and still get performance that can compete with the cheaper options. You would have to NEED the newer features that comes with newer hardware to want to just disregard this platform.
THIS Video needs to get more popular!
@@Traumatree Agreed on supporting AMD instead of old Intel hardware.
Nope, not dead. 5 years ago I salvaged a Dell Precison T3500 that was being chucked at work (12gb ddr3 and a Xeon w3530, basically an i7 920) - a bios upgrade, new cooler, SSD, an R9 280 and an x5675 later and it was an absolute killer rig and incredibly easy to hackintosh! Today it's my dad's machine and it's still a pleasure to use when I'm round there, and it flies along in general use. He has no need for more - in fact it's still massively overkill for a 77 year old watching RUclips vids and emailing....but at least when I get that call over to do some tech support I'm using something that is still rapid and reliable. And that's without overclocking it. You do great content - keep going with the used price perf because there plenty of us out there just like you who recognise value is subjective!
Now the only thing we need is a OC battle between Steve and Bryan ;) From x58 to Z390!
That ending though...👏👏👏
i had the best day, see this... worst day in my life since i just got a nice x58 system, i got it for cheap though so i cant complain and once x79 gets a little cheaper ill go that route but oh my... that ending, hands down.... was the highlight of my entire life. Unless i have thousands to spend i will always be hustling for that used price to performance!
Could it just be that newer games are being optimized for newer instruction sets that the X58 platform doesn't support?
I have noticed with older platforms. Like my eVGa 680i socket 775. (Q6600) playing games on windows 7 did give a significant performance boost. Especially using vulkan. as an example in windows 10 with the Q6600 OC'ed to 3.6Ghz i could barely get DOOM to hold 60fps. But switching to win 7 i can get a rock solid 75fps.(ultra) That's with a 1050ti. I figured I'd try it and was very surprised and pleased with the performance. and to answer the question X58 is NOT dead. I'm still on 775 with a system i bought 11years ago. maybe if the 9700K would drop to $250-300. I would consider a platform upgrade. But for now i just might find me and X58 to get me by.
Bryant Fetherolf my q6700 at stock can run doom fine on 10.
I'm still running an x5690 with 24gig of ram running at 2000. Even have tested at 4.6 on the cpu and ran that for almost a year. Dropped it down the last reload of windows a month ago though and have it at 4.3 right now. Been a great platform and even though I am doing an 8th gen build right now for my new main rig, I will still be keeping it. X58 has been awesome for me..
Thank you for defending older hardware. As an old school overclocker, chips like these are fun to overclock. However, a *really* challenging overclock is the now really old Athlon XPs/MP's
They used to have a ~2.3Ghz ceiling on air, but with the right ram, the right board and modern cooling, a friend and I have gotten these things to 2.9Ghz (Not stable I may add, and it's a complete lottery). With cheap liquid loops we *have* hit a semi-stable 3.0, but the northbridge *needs* some cooling otherwise you'll cook it. Performance on these old chips is amazing when you consider that they're 32-bit single-cores from a bygone era, some people have reportedly run windows 10 on them, I'm unsure of this because of drivers and all of that. But Linux shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Do NOT stop making x58 videos in their entirety. YOU helped me to get inspired into buying an x5675 and overclock the piss out of it to 4.5GHz. I have never overclocked or even taken out a CPU before then and that was only like 4 months ago. It's been a blast and brought huge performance gains over my (never overclocked) i7-960. I sure as heck hope that I can just keep getting my desired 1080p 60fps in all games with my GTX 1080, my 4.5GHz x5675 Xeon and my x58a-GD45 motherboard for years to come. Keep up the x58 and x79 style videos. You're the only one who cares to show how AMAZING the cost/performance is. Literally wouldn't have known just how CRAZY the x58 kicks the living SHIT out of current tech in price/performance at only extremely little compromise in total performance.
I ran an X58, 980x system until earlier this year, when I finally upgraded to threadripper. The 980x system cost me a bundle, but it lasted a VERY long time. For most of the time, it was running SETI@home, 24/7, too, on both CPU and GPUs, until the cryptomining experiment I did at the end of last year and into earlier this year. X58 and 980x is a monster system and still more than most people need. It's great to see that people are still talking about them and using them today.
Latest Windows 10 versions enables Core Isolation on every system with virtualization capable hardware. It's a Device Security feature in Windows Defender that you can't disable in the registry or anywhere else. It was only a part of the Windows Enterprise versions before but since April 2018 update (I think) it's integrated in all Windows editions. Disable virtualization in the BIOS and check the performance impact. It's quite high on my older systems.
you can disable it on the windows defender painel no? atleast i saw a toggle for it.
@@gabrielandy9272 No, you can only toggle Memory Integrity which is a subfeature of Core Isolation. Disabling Memory Integrity doesn't disable all other features of Core isolation. Memory Integrity should hopefully be disabled by default though because of compatibility problems with old drivers.
the only way to turn it off is to disable virtualization? oh i tough microsoft would leave options to turn it off '-'
Less than 1% impact on my system by PCMark Vantage metrics, my board has hardware patch for Meltdown & Spectre installed:
Intel Xeon X5650 @4.29GHz
16GB DDR3 @1718.2MHz 9-9-9-20-140-2T
Nvidia GeForce 780 3GB
256GB Sandisk M.2 SATA SSD
2x1TB HDD RAID0
Anyway since I installed Windows 10 1809 I'm experiencing a terrible perfomance degardation in general, I think that the lack of work on Microsoft side is the main issue because when using the latest Fedora release this system is fast as hell.
i don't leave windows defender enabled anyway... that fucking things like deleting my files without permission.
Lmao I got in the video. But, yeah to be honest I did notice the difference between your results and Steve's. I don't got that much knowledge on overclocking and dismissed it as the 1803 update gimping the Xeon CPU's. But, now after seeing all that new information you put out I can kinda see that Steve's review was kind of half assed. Well not kinda it was lol.
I've built many x58 builds since seeing some of your videos. I have an Asus, an EVGA and gigabyte (confirm: gigabyte buggy); and everyone I see a system four less than $200 on gamtree I help a colleague upgrade from their crappy laptop.
It is a massive pain to get each system stable, but it is equally fun and rewarding! I went back visiting my old workplace and saw all my x58 PC working fine and I almost bursted into tears!
A lot of "tech guys" are more the tipes that just unbox things. I appreciate you being a tinker who wants to go all out. It became rare...
You are out of these people's league when it comes to expertise, video quality and quantity, and personal character. Most of these tech channels are so out of touch with the average consumer and only shill for intel and all the new products. Just ignore all these wicked people and keep doing good.
I agree. All they ever do is review the most expensive crap on the market. Most of us can't afford it.
@@Toutvids i just unsubscribed to all those channel that rely on getting "the most expensive ever" to get views, like linus tech tips. turns out there's tons of reasonable guys doing this. i like randomgaminginHD even though he's not that through with his testing. but he tests very low end stuff and i find that more interesting than super expensive crap.
RA Tech actually humiliated Gamer Nexus and Hardware Unboxed with his FX 8350 vids.
it was the specter patches, my old i7 2600 were stable at 4.3 GHz and now it hardley take 3.7 Ghz. that really was a hit. i were ok witht my old performance, but now i need to upgrade to a newer build. im waiting for the AMD 3800X Black edition or the newer TR 3920X
Why upgrade if you were happy with your old performance? Just disable the security patches.
sounds more like cpu/motherboard/psu degradation
Nonono spectre patches does NOT cause your stable overclock to drop from 4.3 to 3.7. Something else happened for sure.
how do you know if it was the spectre patch as opposed to cpu degradation? Honest question.
@@ilovehotdogs125790 cpu degradation is not a thing
Brian, I literally am in the process of building my second x58 gaming rig. My primary game box is Asus Rampage 3 extreme with Xeon x5690 @4.47ghz and GeForce rdx 2080. My buddy spend like almost 3k building a x9900k with a 2080ti and he only gets slightly better fps than me in BF5. My second rig building now is an evga x58 with a x5680 and dual gtx 1070 in sli. I love the x58 for the performance /price. It's awesome!!! Keep up info on this architecture!
I also have a X58 setup, but with the i7 990x 6 cores 12 treads (3.46Ghz stock) overclocked to 5Ghz.
I recently found a complete x58 system (DX58SO mobo) for 60 EUR (68 USD) locally. Included were an i7 920 (swapped it out for a 20 EUR Xeon X5650 and sold the 920 for the same price), a V8 cooler, 8 GB of RAM, GPU (don't remember the exact model, but it was an old one which I flipped for 25 EUR and replaced with a GTX 960) and a CoolerMaster 932 HAF case. The guy sold it because it wasn't working anymore. After some testing it appeared to be a faulty PSU which was easily replaced. Cleaned this bad boy up and I love this beast to this day! Keep up the good work Brian, x58 is not dead yet :)
I see the opinions of everyone on this topic but it all comes down to money and patience, if you have less cash and have good patience then go X58 but if not keep looking at alternatives, my Sabertooth X58 with an X5675 and a Evga 1070 fell on my lap one day and I've never had to upgrade it since, I'm happy with it and it does everything I want from it, 90% of the people here can't afford to get a 9900K with a 2080 Ti, it's all about the best deal out there
Videos like this are why I LOVE the yes man
Great video, an X58 content. Thank You for making it. I have 3 X58 rigs. Two are Asus Rampage III Extreme and the other is an Asus Rampage III Black Edition, all 3 have I-7 990X CPUs. For GPUs an OG Titan, GTX-1080, & a GTX-1080ti. Ram 12 gb @1600mhz and the other two are 24gb (2166nhz, 2400mhz). Also, all 3 are open loop water cooled, CPU, GPU, Mobo, & ram. X58 is a great platform and I have no plans to replace or upgrade any further. My gaming rig has the 1080ti paired with an X34 Predator ultra wide at 1440 & 100mhz, with G-sync. Literally could not be happier with these systems. Yes, I know higher FPS numbers are possible, but with an X34 you won't see more than 100fps. Also, the upgrade expense for 10-20% performance gains isn't worth it to me. If you have a 1080p at 240mhz monitor and need to see your frame rates north of 200, then maybe it's worth considering. Good Luck & God Speed.
So, does this mean no "Tech Talk" with Brian and Steve RUclips Christmas special? Those segments every week were bloody fantastic.
From a personal standpoint, I enjoy watching the nutty professor tinkering more than super "This just released" builds and benches. Not that I don't like new builds, it's just everyone does them.
The thing with older platforms is you had so much more control, so if all the parts were good, you could get the absolute most out of everything, whereas now they have too many things locked away to "protect the end user" from f'ing up.
It's not planned obsolescence, it's the spectre/meltdown mitigations, they hit the worst old cpu's.
probably would have noticed it if he would have compared windows 10 to before and after the patches, or used windows 7 instead of using linux this comparisons. the other thing about this is that intel themselves said these patches would hit the older processors the hardest.
Nonsense
Why is the performance under Linux better then? Linux also got Spectre and Meltdown patches
This is not true, and spectre and meltdown don't affect cpus performance.
They can only be used to "see" your informations...
As I recall it, these dumb malware scares (that honestly should be of no concern to regular gamers) only affected newer hardware... So those patches really shouldn't affect x58, they could but that'd be dumb.
NONONONONO!! I JUST BUILT MY X58 PC!! My heart is broken!
dont worry im planning building two rigs of these
There is nothing wrong with the X58 if you build one of these... take my word for it. I shelved a top of the line DDR3 AMD build after buying all the parts for it and then forked out more $$$ to bring the X58 to life. That was 5 years ago and the AMD system is still waiting for complete assembly.
I built my X58 platfrom 10 years ago. It's still going super strong and I've just bought a X5690 for $100 hoping to get yet a few more years out of my old P6T Deluxe. Just don't really see the point in spending $700+ for a sub-par modern system, when I can get similar performance on a 10+ year old platform and have heaps of fun doing it.
I came onboard new for X58, Tylersburg. It is old but it's top notch for its day so it's amazing how much it can keep up w/ for what you can put into it. People will always enjoy revisiting the past high end tech. As long as Windows 10 is still running on it. It respectfully holds its own.
Those guys who try to make it not look good, they knew what they were doing. It wasn't no accident. They picked cheep RAM or less the ideal CPU & Mobo to lesson the odds.
Big up yourself m8. U doing a bang up job.
I love X58 , I also have dual X5660 Xeon system, and the system score in cpuz beats out Ryzen 1700 and i7 8700 regardless of a the score a win is a win. 90% of your regular consumer does not know what usb 3.0 is or even what a gaming pc can do. Many Builders have and addiction of just having the latest when it comes out for bragging rights, If you brought a i7 7700K then 1 year later now you have and 8700K , you just wanted it because it new, just like the 1080ti to rtx 2080 , the technology of the rtx did not get 60 fps in 4k like stated but you wanted to buy it because its new. I learned my lesson when I spent 1000s of dollars on a new system build when I can spend 300 dollars and only take a 15 fps hit. Thats it. what a waiste of money. The only big change I seen was Intel core 2 to Intel i7 bringing back Hyper Threading. My first build was
dual socket Pentium back in late 90s. What a waste of freaking money. Keep those X58 videos coming.
Just out of curiosity: What Cinebench R15 score does 2 X5660s get?
@@MrPhilip796 4236 cpuz, 1349 cinebench , no overclocking , only stock. Not bad for 40 dollars for a pair of these. Will go to dual X5675 soon there 80 dollars on ebay might get them cheaper if I look.
@@philbjackson I got a dual socket Dell PowerEdge r410 server PC for 115 dollars just this summer with 2 Xeon e5620s with 4 cores 8 threads each, hyperthreaded to get 8 cores and 16 threads of course and love it. Respectively I get 778 in cinebench r15 which to some may seem low but knowing that I can upgrade to any other pair of Xeons for 40 dollars or less makes me love the x58 platform.
@@philbjackson Interesting. My undervolted 1700 still beats that, but for $40 worth of CPU I'd say it's still pretty good. How much did the entire kit cost you, though? (Mobo, CPU coolers, RAM & CPUs) And how's the power draw?
my entire system with tripple channel memory with a a mechanical harddrive cost 179, will get a gtx 1070 soon. I only have an old 9800gt just to have video. The system has a 650watt power supply. It only pulls 350watts full load. that will change soon with the GTX 1070 and 2 ssd when I purchase them. Force OBSOLESCENCE is to gain more dollar , to throw any pc gamer off from old product. but we know that you can still get a dell i7 3770 prebuilt system for under 200 on ebay. there is so much dated hardware. But with Techyescity videos he clearly prove that older hardware is still strong. Those with sponsors will always take the money side instead of the truth
But are you testing it with same builds of games?
CS:GO and Dota both saw game additions over last years. reworked maps... its quite stupid to expect old dust 2 map fps compared to new one
It's the exact same community benchmark map in the case of CS:GO, and Panorama wouldn't have affected performance by that much, if at all in that case.
@@MrPhilip796 also panorama update gained alot of fps too compared to scaleform.
@@scrubsodium Only the minimums improved for me personally, as the horrible in-game menu stutter that was present in mid-late scaleform/very early Panorama was removed
Dude, these mouthbreathers who try to trash you for your work and effort are just classless. We all can see the hard work, dedication and effort you put into these videos and the fact you don't half-ass it shows you know your tech. Don't mind the comment's and keep your head up. I drive a 20 year old jeep and by today's standards, it's classified as a "old" vehicle, yet i love it. The same goes for these computers. Nothing makes it worth it when you nab a old AMD triple core for 7 bucks, unlock it's hidden core to make it a quad core, and out shine some of these high price cpu's because you used your head. Keep up the good work.
Just bought a gigabyte x58 motherboard on ebay for 67$, and I cannot wait to follow your guides to overclock one of the 5660's I own! :)
I love how this Hardware Unboxed guys says that you can find USED DDR4 8GB for 30$ and B450/B350 MB for 40$. Lol. Where?
Can I get some Tech YES lovin'? 😉
Great insight and great observations on the X58 boards and OS implementation! I've just only recently done a restore of a Dell Studio XPS 435MT. The prime selection of Elpida ram, as for my ram of choice was because since the sticks were made in Japan. I have always been a big spender on Japanese radios and stereo made electronic products, ie radios in particular. I had noticed over the decades, four to be exact; the Japanese radios, for instance, would virtually outlast just about anything on the planet! I still have AM Radios that are 50 years old and they still work just fine and none of them required anything other than very minimal repair. So, I applied that way of thinking was of buying Elpida RAM, made in Japan! Now, I totally understand the need for XMP profiles as it relates to gaming performance needs and I get it! My 43 y.o. Son, however, ended up having his nuts frosted due to playing too many Xbox games etc, and I can't seem to get him interested in to experimenting with older hardware and scaling and refurbishing older machines back to their former glory and beyond! The XPS 435 MT wasn't exactly the best choice with any comparison to an XPS 435T/9000! The Dell 9000 will absolutely "hammer the shit out of" an XPS 435MT, hands down! What I did manage to find was a Dell Studio XPS 435MT that was "new, old stock" off the shelf bare bones for $102.xx and had begun to build off of that! RE: New old stock OEM cooler $16.95, Used equivalent to the I7-960 instead of the I7-920, Xenon W3570 8M Cache, 3.20 GHz, 6.40 GT/s QPI SLBES for $14.99, 12GB (6x2GB) of USED Samsung M378B5673FH0-CH9 pc3-10600U instead of the Elpida Ram for $43.00, a new Rosewill modular 550 Watt supply for $32.99, new DVD-RW for $23.00, and a XFX Radeon HD 6770 1 GB Video Card for just under $25.00. So, for about $258.39+/_, I have a new/old machine that kicks the arse off a regular Dell OEM Studio XPS 435MT, that I positively know that it is good for multi-tasking, home entertainment, video editing, light to medium gaming with the likes of XP thru Win 7 era type games and perhaps steam gaming on Linux! And with all of that said, there aren't very many hodge-podge mainstream pc builds of that 2009 era that can do most of what this machine can do now!
I hear you Bryan . Just bought an older ASUS G46vw laptop. Changed out the i5 to an i7, added an ssd, new screen all for way less than 300. The GTX 660m is scoffed at but after overclocking I was able to get an average of over 70 fps on Battlefield 1 on high settings and other slightly older games were just as good. True the screen is only 1600 x 900 but the laptop runs cool and is great when I go on trips. But as you said the fun was in rebuilding it and tweaking it. Also, It was hard to find a new laptop with all these features for the really cheap price. I doubt it will run Battlefield 5 very well but hey that is what I have my desktop for. Anyhow, keep up the good work and thanks for providing solutions outside the box for those that like to tinker.
When will you go high end coolling on these chips? You stop at 4.5 and only use air cooling I wanna see how far it’ll go
4.5GHz is about as far as you can reasonably push one. You’re over 1.5v to push 4.7GHz.
I'm on water and 4.5 is my reasonable limit for W3680, 6 cores, 32nm and unlocked multi. Going beyond this point requires voltages that are not at all safe for daily use and only reason to go that far would be to set some synthetic benchmark high scores for these particular old components.
Just saying, $25 for another Xeon chip if it’s fried. Wondering if there’s lost potential with the air coolers
I've seen a core 2 duo e8400 go to 5-6GHZ with dry ice cooling. These Xeons can definitely go higher.
@@CJBrown3000 Big difference in voltage required and heat generated between a 2 core/2 thread CPU and a 6 core/12 thread CPU. If you disabled Hyperthreading and 4 cores on the Xeon chips you could probably push them past 5 ghz too.
Just shows that Steve doesn't spend time with these architectures. Hardware Unboxed seem nearly wholly focused on reviewing new hardware, which has its place, but they'd never be my first port of call for information or advice in the context of price/performance.
NonEventHorizon yeah! I hate how sometimes steve acts arrogant to the x58/x79 lovers. Even tho i love steve, i just dont like him hating our xeons :)
You might not reply since this is an old video, but I'm still rocking my 12 year old X58 i7 920 overclocked to 4.1GHz and I'm looking to upgrade to a Xeon. I'm looking at a X5675 in Canada for $45 or I can ebay a X5690 for around $95. Is the X5690 worth almost "double" the X5675? I'm hoping to overclock these to 4.2-4.5GHz. My MB is a Asus P6T SE. Cheers.
Conspiracy theories aside a simple explanation is that acceleration instructions that may have been used, have switched to a newer set that doesn't exist in the older CPU's which are then forced to brute force those calculations resulting in a performance hit.
I don't know if that is the case here for the slowdowns you are seeing, but the obsolescence isn't planned as such, it's a natural occurrence from updated software that takes advantage of new extensions to the instruction set.
Effectively, the X58 is still a surprisingly good performer - when tweaked properly, however it is very old in terms of tech, and the pricing/rarity of the relevant mobo reflects that.
As for testing and comparative measures, if someone's not so enthusiastic about a particular item, they're not going to go that extra mile to achieve the best possible results (a sub-conscious lack of objectivity?) hence Steve's results versus your's. This is not a negative on Steve (love his work) or yourself (love your work), it's just how things seem to be. That's why us consumers of your channels need to be objective and analytical about the results of testing from anyone and everyone.
Well put, they both do a great job in their respective spaces. I think X58 is on its last leg with the security patching. My 4790k has some minor performance loss and loss of some smoothness with all the patches and I am looking to replace it next year. With more marginal CPUs I saw gaming performance drops of *up to* 25% on more than a few 4th gen i7 intel laptop with dedicated graphics in games with the security patching. I gave away my i5 750 @3.6ghz two years ago so I know how well Nehalem processors have hung on. Nehalem CPUs just don't have enough oomph any more between security patching, aging interface speeds, concerns of part failure from age, and newer instruction sets imo.
Maybe use windows 7?
Agreed.
@@paul.1337 ah yes and windows 10 is better? I think not, I would not keep any valuable info on windows 10 as microsoft will just take it from you when ever they want, plus the update can just make it disappear. Also side note they can make things that worked perfectly fine before an update work worse at the request of hardware manufactures to make them more money just like this video speculated.
Oh god no, time of Vista/7 has passed.
@@paul.1337 Haven't you heard, about all those leaks by massive companies that store your personal information like even passport numbers in the case with Marriott where up to 500 MILLION guests were affected?
Malware is the last thing to be concerned with on personal end user computers, physical theft and social engineering are more likely attack vectors if you're not some random nobody who has nothing beyond a name and some numbers associated with that name, all of which again is more likely to be leaked by massive companies hoarding your data.
Paul Dougherty no the answer is I keep valuable info in hard copy and don't trust it to any computer.
Hi, you are right. For the right person, with the right deal - X58 can still be awesome. I recently bought a refurbished Dell Z600 with dual X5670 CPU's (6c/12t each) and 24 GB Ram and 1TB HDD - for just $180 (CAD$). That's 12 cores, 24 threads, 2.93/3.059ghz - with a Cinebench R15 score of 1410. I added a used RX580 for another $185, and added a SSD, and I have a Sub-$500 CAD$ (probably about $375 US$). That's untouchable performance for $375 - and the 'hobby' part of using older computers is fun for me too. It's obviously not 'state of the art', but it's also not 'trash' - my Z600 is nearly a decade old, but my Xeon system still stacks up pretty well against 2 year old computers worth 4-5x as much. The Dell also isn't really overclockable, but still - for $375 US$, it's very very potent still.
Dont worry Brian ive got your back! im rocking from 2010 a I5 750 3.8GHZ XMP 1600MHZ RIPJAWS AND OC MSI GTX970 and still having no issues in the games i play at 1440p 144hz, you just turn stuff down anyhow when you want to be competitive! PUBG, CSGO, ROCKET LEAGUE, FIFA19, RED ORCHESTRA 2 and still owning, great value for money! will run it till i cant! havent even changed the thermal paste in 6 years or reinstalled windows 7 in 5 years! Anyhow your content is some of the best in the youtube tech community always makes me smile whether its the bogan gamtree deals, the tech yes clean downs, dadman or even your blossoming music career! keep it up brother. Much love from your Limey cousins over here in UK!
Can you test this with windows 7 and 8.1 to see if there is a hit on those versions too?
AyydanK it will be the same as they also have the spectere and meltdown patches.
Step one: thumbs up.
Step two: watch the video.
i'm now running a 8700k on an EVGA board...
but i still have a running 980x on a Rampage II Extreme with a 1060 6GB. overclocked at 4.4GHz, Hyper X 16GB 2x8GB @ 1600 (9-9-9-24). i'll never stop tinkering with my old toy.. i can get 4.5.. but i can't get it stable on a 24h stress test... still learning few things... I use it as an HTPC/light gaming pc.. but i'm very happy with it's performance, and hope it never dies..
very happy to see that someone still believes in x58. keep up the great work on old systems, and showing their true potential
Having long been a gamer and the friend's and family tech repair guy, I can confidently say I noticed several very suspicious performance drops that always seemed to coincide with windows updates + timing with new OS's that people were questioning why they should upgrade.
It's been a while, but *I watched another person's channel where they noticed the same thing, had clone disk image restores and **_proved_** that certain batches of windows updates were downgrading performance on the older OS.*
*And some of those update were being pushed silently and auto-downloading and installing* - unless you had that feature of your OS manually disabled (not a menu option preference).
And he also took the time to isolate a few of the specific culprits that caused noticeable slowdown. *Most of the offending updated claimed to be were stability, security, or feature enhancement updates for, get this, extremely nitch not-normal-user features* like rarely used virtualization instruction sets that are almost never even called even if you use VT features.
Think about that: *you have an OS that is claimed is now obsolete, that for some reason you are picking a very nitch small user base use case, and picking an extremely rare use case within that already rare user subset... to spend the time to create & release an "update" to?*
You have a new OS with driver conflicts and you are spending time to release an "update" on an already an abandoned near never use feature?
And instead of being like other power user functional updates, you it auto updates instead of needing to be manually downloaded & installed??
And that update just so happens to have a noticeable performance hit on the old systems right when the mass market is at the stage of questioning whether upgrading is worth it or not?
From *my own experience* with fixing friend's and family member's computers, *I noticed a similar trend around windows vista era of perfectly stable good computers suddenly getting driver conflict issues that would frustrate their owners and end with them buying a new laptop.*
Do we really think that 6 years after a successful & stable OS is 'claimed obsolete' and supposedly going to be no longer supported soon suddenly discovers new batches "security" threats every 1-3 months?
It seems to me that if it was that full of security holes, _nearly every one you know_ would have had their computer hacked multiple times, despite AV software.
And somehow a whole group of people seems to get by with OS intentionally stripped of those updates and isn't full of people warning about their computer being hacked and it wasn't worth it?
And think of the backwards logic on this:
Problem - *windows can get hacked possibly fry the victim's computer.*
Proposed solution: *Let's integrate windows even more!* Not only is it still capable of such things, but it also has entire control to lock you out of your bios. Have fun fixing it when you can't even change boot priority or access the hacked settings.
Reality when 'solution' was proposed: But we already almost entirely blocked/solved this, and it mostly happened to corner cuttingly cheap computers and higher quality stuff usually didn't have this issue.
*Also: let's make it change your drivers without asking and against your chosen setting to never do that. That's a great 'stability update'.*
If you work in production, you know a big debate always comes up with allowing computers that run machines to have internet access. Somehow, *if you never allow it access to the "needed security updates" most computers seem to last just fine for around 18years.* But able to get updates, suddenly permissions and driver conflicts arise that make the computer unable to do it's only important job and need replaced every 6 years. That's the opposite of stability.
*I saw the work function loss 1st hand:*
I personally fixed my mom's computer 3 times, then had to talk her through fixing it a 4th time via phone. Windows kept redownloading and applying an update. She would work late and wake to find suddenly she would stop being able to use her work software. She took a break for lunch and came back to find she couldn't use it again (that's when I talked her through it).
*After reverting all that, and despite every setting telling windows not to, it would do it again 3 weeks later.*
I finally found a solution: *we had to resort to downloading hope-you-can-trust-them 3rd party software that would see windows attempting to redownload the bad update and would replace the downloading files with it's own "it installed correctly" false flag to trick windows for another few weeks. Periodically windows would look again and see that the update files weren't correct, and the 3rd party software would notify us that it had again blocked that update from trying to download & install.
People wonder why I'm using win7 in 2023? I helped too many people where I tried to fix their computer and ultimately had to say "There's nothing a can do. Windows won't let me do what I need to fix it and the work of reinstalling windows will just have it reapplying in a few weeks." *After the 4th or 5th time of going through that, I was quite decided about 'upgrading' myself.*
You are right, Steve is wrong...how i make it rhyme? X58 is strong!
If it rhymes then it has to be true.
we need AdoredTV to get to the bottom of it
This would be the second time...
No we don't. He is all about Navi and Epic
Let me see... I got an I7-8700k system, a X5675 system (formerly an I7-950), an Athlon 64 x2 4200+ system, an Athlon 1200+ system, a PII 266 system and a pair of 8088 systems. I have a use for each and every system but the one I tend to enjoy using the most and had the most fun building and tweaking is the X5675 one. Most of that enjoyment was info I gained from this channel.
Your X58 videos are what got me subscribed to this channel, and got me to build my current rig around it. I'd hate for it to be abandoned because of this issue. I hope it's figured out what exactly is causing these performance hits and a workaround is made ASAP. This planned obsolesce bullcrap, if true, will not stand.
Well just as Linus releases his video on a similar topic
Link to video pls - I want to see this
That is why I will NEVER switch to windows 10. This OS (lets not talk about the spying and bloatware) is such a junk for slowing down older hardware and many times even refusing to run on a much faster hardware just to make current junk sell better.
It's because of you that I learned more and more about the X58 platform in fact my latest video was about me getting an X58 system for $80 which at that price point I don't understand how any of the latest HW can compete against. Love your stuff keep it up man!
I buy and build on X58 they still sell and my customers are happy. i find most people just want to pay roughly console prices to get their foot in the door to PC gaming. i sell a ton to parents looking for a nice looking PC for birthday/xmas gifts. if the system can play popular esports titles at reasonable settings for a low price you will always find buyers. Keep up the good work man, i value your input. Edit: USB 3.0 - Get an adapter from 3.0 to 2.0 headers so the case has working front panel ports (always tell the customer this) but how many gamers use USB thumb drives when cloud storage is the new thing.
lol just bought x58 and a x5670 last week
That steven ( hardware unboxed) knows nothing about in depth cpu overclocking n stuff. Any one can build a new system specially when it comes FREE lol.
You are right with every aspect in your video
I have i7 920 on gigabyte x58a-ud5 and i just ordered an x5675. You are correct @Tech Yes City. I like the feel of overclocking manually, the actual feel of tweaking and tuning. Some here might not agree, but the feel of raw tuning is different. I can compare it to a car between auto to stick shift. And yes, I drive a stick shift.
Overclocking is fanatastic.
Always to trying something different, to get that extra performance
I think you're right about forced obsolescence. I'm typing this from an x58 machine. 990x @ 4.4GHz, 24Gb DDR3 1600 on an asus rampage 3 extreme paired with a 1080ti. I have been using this machine with that OC 24/7 for 5+ years while upgrading here and there to keep it running nicely. I'm cooling it with a kraken x62 with noctua industrial fans on the radiator. They have huge CFM and I can run them at lower RPM than the stock fans and my temps are right now 36C at idle and around 65 67 at full load when doing 3d renders. I game at 1440p with it no problem. I use inspectre to disable the Meltdown and Spectre protections because with them activated I feel a slight lag in overall responsiveness. On this particular setup I've ran windows 7 with no slowdowns or instability up to 2 years at a time. But times have forced me to go on Win10. And that's where my problems have started. I am getting slower performance with it, random BSOD not to mention each update breaks something, causing me to reinstall the OS. Right now windows update is telling me my machine is "not quite ready" for the march feature update. I'm not sure if this is some problem with microsoft update itself or if they're trying to tell me that I need to upgrade. While I love the x58 platform it has been causing some issues for me in the past year, and I've reached the point where I have decided to upgrade to the new AMD platform. If I was only using this machine for games I'd probably keep it for a while longer since it fully meets my gaming needs. But there's also work to be done. Beyond that all I can say is that people who own x58 systems should expect deteriorating behavior in the future. It's slowly losing it's ability to brute force its way through the more efficiently written code that windows 10 spyware edition is using these days.
Why did you compliment the guy? He was insulting you. In the comments he liked and hearted toxic comments.
They both are Aussies. They just take the piss out of each other.
Because Australians are not fragile snowflakes.
she'll be right, just a little play beef
@@TheDevil259 I don't really buy into that wholly. For all the times when Steve is objectively correct about something there have been too many other times when he's just an asshole. He doesn't leave an impression of harmless fake taunting the way it's between Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech Tips.
@@BitterCynical You understand its possible to disagree with someones opinion without hating them after that right? Your the one calling people assholes. Australians grief each other its what we do. You could say it keeps people from having a victim mentality ;)
people dont realise that pc parts are not cheap in developing countries where extracting value for money from old parts is the default thing to do as we cant upgrade hardware every 3-4 years..I am still rocking an evga x58 board from 2010 . I love this channel as it caters to average buyer and not to gamers who are willing to spend any amount on hardware without any limits. Thanks for the videos!
I still have an Asus P6TSE / 980X running fine about almost 10 yrs . It is my dedicated studio DAW, i use it for live tracking and editing (cockos Reaper). It performs flawlessly. I run 64 samples/1.2ms latency at 44.1/24bit . I track 12 live mics and can run all kinds of vsti and vst no prob on this machine. I made an Acronis image of XP (in 2008) and then later of Win7 , both x86 . I never had this computer hooked to the internet after it was set up and imaged. Works fine today, just like the day I set it up. You can get a USB3.0 pci card dirt cheap. So all this stuff about planned obscolescence is probably true. Only thing this x58 is outdated in is video editing and rendering, probably gaming, which I dont do. Them forcing you to throw it away is just plain BS .
That ending though:)
But, seriously, you're too cool to be worried about others opinions on you personally. I mean constructive criticism is always welcome and there is always room for improvement in anything cause nobody is perfect. Also, I still trying to build my PC with older hardware and I now what I'm getting into cause you are right in that some of us really don't need all these fancy tools( as of right now) such as USB 3.0 or M.2( but like you said "PCI fixes everything" which is my favorite quote between me and my buddies).
Just keep being you man! Happy Building:D
Hey brian I watch you the most out of any other channel and I think your great at what you do. I took your advise and went out on a limb for a X58 platform and overclocked it watching you tutorial and it runs fast at 4.5ghz with my xeon x5675. I love it in gaming as well as productivity work for the price I paid for it. So all the X58 bashers out there can suck it not everybody out there has the money to spend $600.00 or more for a new platform that will also be outdated in a year. You just keep making these awesome videos. Happy Holidays and take care.
Honestly X58 is my favourite platform, I always find myself coming back to it, just today I bought a rampage 3 gene, 12gb ram and an X5660 for £110 ($140 us) will be popping another 12gb ram in there and putting my £80 ($100 us) R9 fury on there, pretty big upgrade over my previous i5 4460 which I sold just yesterday
Many people do x58 vs Ryzen or x58 vs some other platforms but what about x58 vs newer INTEL's 6 core CPUs? 8700k, 8600k, 9600k, 9400F, 9600KF, 10600k,10400 comparison with any of these CPUs will really give people an idea if there is any point at all to go for newer Intel or is older Intel still worth?
you're right mate .. not everyone can afford new high end gear and guys from my generation have always been tinkerers because money was hard to come by .. I recently built a ryzen 5 system which, for intence stuff, is better than the x58 BUT i gave it to my son whos into the things that require that power and i bought an X58 Xeon again after 5 years of not having one because I like to tinker .. each to his own .. It was ahead of its time and i will continue using it even though now i can afford what ever system i desire !!! Steve needs to look at computer users wholistically .. your channels better and being an Aussie myself I check out all the Aussies here having a go !!
Love my X58 Gigabyte UD5 rev 1 (F13 BIOS), only running a i7 920 (4 cores, 8 threads) @ 2.67ghz with 24gb G.Skill RAM and an old ASUS GTX 460, can happily play OverWatch in Ultra or Epic settings at 50-80 FPS, my kids have the PS4 and say the experience is much better on my old PC than that of the PS4.. this goes to show it would appear that Intel are paying the AA and even the AAA titles to include code that limits the older CPU's so everyone has to upgrade because their older architecture is still playing the latest and greatest titles... great video as usual Bryan
After watching several of your videos I took a look at Dell refurbished workstations and found a dual X5650 with 12gb ram and new 1000gb hard drive for US $180 delivered. Pretty cool to get 12 cores 24 threads for less than a Threadripper 1920x alone. Runs Windows just fine. Keep your videos coming for all of us who enjoy bang for buck hardware and happy New year 2020.
Bryan, any chance you can run some results with the Meltdown and Spectre patches turned on within Win10? I know you mentioned you turned them off in your tests. I'm curious how much more of a drop in frame rate you would get with Meldown/Specture patches enabled? I'm also curious where this potential planned obsolescence is taking place? Is it in Windows patches or in games patches? (i assume not BIOS because you rolled it back and it was the same)
I have an asus sabertooth x58 motherboard with intel i7 980X (6 core 12 thread at 3.33GHz), asus strix 1080 ti, and 6 8gb ddr3 ram sticks, 48gb ram total. This computer is a beast, runs cool with corsair h1100i v2 liquid cooler and I won't be upgrading to a new ddr4 mother board for some time. Yes, x58 is usable and worth it in 2030!
hmm, does this also happen on old 771 Xeon as well?
My duo X5365 system feel a lot worst in game like PUBG too.
I just replaced my x58 system about six weeks ago. Started off with a i7 920 c0/1 cpu (bought this stuff when the platform was about a month old for my SETI farm back in the day (performed 2x the work of any of my c2q s775 systems I had). That was clocked to 3.6ghz and stayed at that speed during its life (Gigabyte G1 board). The system received upgrades through the years though, gpu's (started with an ATI 48xx 512mb, to gtx 2XXx3/460x3 (the 2xx/460's were SETI GPU's when I was doing that stuff)/770/970/970sli/1070ti sli), ssd's, etc., and 3-4 years ago I replaced that CPU with a w3680 (it was a quarter of the price of the i7 980x and had direct drop in mobo support) and had that clocked at 4.4ghz rock stable. I didn't run xmp with the memory and had it slightly under clocked since I was more interested in overall cpu speed (had the cpu at 4.5ghz, but wasn't 100% stable and didn't have time to fiddle with it). That system at stock clocks ran cinabench r15 at 750 points and at 4.4ghz just broke 1000. The i7 920 c0/1 did around 750 when it was clocked at 3.6ghz (makes sense from 4c/8t to 6c/12t). Anyway, I was more interested in the upgrade so I could get some space in between the sli'd gpu's since I was gaming at 4k and I was worried about temps and didn't want to water cool gpu's. However, the replacement (8086k @ 5.0-5.2ghz) clocks nice and it ran cinebench at 1700 points, which I'm happy with for now. With all that said, x58 does need to be tweaked to get the most out of it, but still has plenty of life in it. Nice to see others out there messing with this older tech, so I subscribed. Take care.
Well, we had a good run. Been running my x58a-ud7 since 2010 upgraded to a x5690 from a i7 930 about 3yrs ago. On paper it definitely shows it's age but gaming at 1080p I can max out most games I play.
Your take on tech is way more interesting than techtuber that just regurgitate the latest and greatest. Watching the same benchmark on an I9 for the millionth time isn't exciting. I personally love how down to earth the content is and with some sprinkles of new awesome hardware aswell. Keep it up, at least you're more interesting than just a talking head.
I am a huge X58 fan, and recently picked up a Gigabyte GA-X58A-OC and a Gigabyte G1 Guerrilla just because I always wanted those boards. Planned obsolescence be damned, those are still fast rigs (with a Xeon W3690 and a Xeon W3680, respectively) at 4.4-4.5GHz with HT on or at 4.6-4.7GHz with HT off for gaming!
Yes sir! You get a nod from me and a thumbs up! My X58 is an AsRock with a Xeon W3690. Also running six 2gb sticks of the slower OCZ ram modules @1333 Mhz (so I have 12gb onboard). However, I run the ram in triple channel mode with HT enabled just to see if there would be a performance cost and I have yet to see my system slow down, bottleneck, or glitch up. It handles everything that I throw at it gaming wise with the help of my trusty PNY 1050Ti 4gb video card... so there you go an X58 with nitro assist!
Hi the difference is maybe due to the MELTDOWN / SPECTRE patch (that hit older cpu harder) have you tried disabling it ?
my favorite computer experience has been building and sourcing parts for my x58 build. it was such a good time figuring everything out and getting everything to work and squeezing as much out of it as possible. its like tuning up an old fox body mustang vs a new fresh one.
I've always respected you! At first didn't believe you! SO I gave it a try and you were right! I started following your channel and your channel was always about good bargains and how to tune them properly rather than spending a kidney for good hardware and I learned to appreciate old hardware! THANK YOU
X58 platform and Xeons power my servers for about two years now and I absolutely see no reason to dispose them. Replacement cost would be way too high and tiny performance improvement not worth it at all. On other hand - since spectre/meltdown hysteria and questionable patches... the whole thing is slowing down with every new Windows and BIOS update.
Brian, you just convinced me to seek the way to uninstall those patches and downgrade BIOS to the previous "unsecured" one to get the right performance back. You doing awesome job, mate.
Would love to see a video on bringing back our X58 all the power they used to have up their sleeve.
Bryan, really appreciate videos like this one. We sometimes see systems with X58 motherboards at our refurbishing project so information like this is golden. Especially appreciate things like the comment about X58 Gigabyte boards.
It blows my mind that building an X58 system would be MORE expensive than it was in 2013. My motherboard is about $100 more now than it was when I bought it. Crazy. Really bummed it’s slowing down. I’m thinking X99 and 1660v3 next go around
Bryan, YOU are the reason I have x58 and I feel VERY happy with my system. I can't see upgrading because performance would only be slightly better for hundreds more. I have the Asus p6x58d premium with a xeon x5670 @ 4.2Ghz stable with a 1080 ti and RAID0 SSD drives. I have nothing to complain about.