The whole premise of "Rust" is that a boy is on the run because he's sentenced to death after accidentally killing someone. Its crazy considering the circumstances.
'it's like a hitman mission". Exactly. One of the first missions in "hitman 4 blood money" is that you go to a theatre during rehearsal, and secretly exchange the protagonist's replica to a real pistol.
That mission (and many of the levels I believe) take place during contracts [A Remake of Codename 47], you can see the targets from 'Curtains Close' in the on level 'Hunter & Hunted'
I think so too a prop gun shouldn't be able to handle the pressure from live ammunition or even be able to load it.... not only that why was live ammunition even on set? Major red flags across the board
@@mckstellar1005 some movies film specific scenes with live ammo, usually when a object is gonna get shot up in a scene without people around it. I think the xenomorphs in aliens were shot with live rounds in scenes where it shows them getting shot to pieces, but they’re just dummy xeno targets filled with green stuff, no actors in harms way
Just to clarify something for everyone here, as this is a common mistake made often by many people. A prop gun is often (but not always), a completely functional firearm. Guns that are loaded with and fire blanks are real firearms. They are referred to as prop guns to clarify their role on set.
yes, we know that, the real problem is why were there real bullets even near the set. and being used in guns that were being used in the movie. really stupid, totally avoidable. We can put a man on the moon but can't figure out how to not shot and kill people on movie sets? The armorer has to be on top of weapons, this dumb girl was not. Then there should be another check by someone else after the armorer, then another verification by the talent, so they are assured and consent. We could not have made it to the moon with backup systems, and backups of backups.
I don't know that it was necessarily an actual bullet as you would buy for normal shooting in it, if there was anything in the barrel at the time they shot the blank that would become a projectile
My dad was an extra on The Walking Dead, he's told me a few times about the process they had to do in order to use the guns on set. Supposedly, every single person who was going to be in the scene had to sit in a circle and pass every single gun that was going to be used for the scene around the circle, and each of them had to confirm that it was filled with blanks, or empty. I really don't know how they let something like this happen...
Especially when you realize that Baldwin has been working with prop firearms for longer than most of us have been alive. There's no fucking excuse for this he deserves to be charged.
Apparently the assisstant director was fired from a set in 2019 over gun safety negligence and an 'unexpected discharge' that injured a sound crew member And so obviously the best idea was to give him the same job again Its crazy how people overlook this stuff or straight up just don't care at all...
At one of my previous jobs, my manager embezzled almost $200,000 from the company we worked for, Corporate fired his ass and he was arrested and put on trial and everything. It was in the local news, he had gotten a lot of attention for it, but McDonalds about 200 yards away from the company he'd been arrested for robbing hired him on to be a manager not even a month later. It really is absurd how people can overlook/not care. And the price we pay for it is quite large sometimes.
"Hours before Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins, seven unionized crew members, who were protesting unsafe working conditions, were told to leave the set, with a producer threatening to call the police if they did not leave, and were replaced by non-union members. There was no union prop master present on the set during the incident." >_____________>
I read an article from a Belgian director reacting to this and he explained the rules that they had to follow. He said whenever there is sometype of weapon being used they hire a weapon safety specialist who brings the weapons himself. Shows EVERYONE on set the gun is empty, then shoots a few times towards a safe direction to proof nothing comes out and then it is given to the actor. I believe rust missed a few steps
@@Willow4526 Probably should have people who actually know something about gun safety....clearly this guy knew nothing about how to properly handle a gun and chick for himself if it's loaded or not.
@@astrotecn But they didn't dumbass. That's not how movies work. It's a cowboy's movie. This is why prop guns exist and are used thousands of times every day in movies. In many cases, real guns are used as well. They tried to cut costs, this is why shit like this happens.
Also idk if someone has said this yet, but shooting at the camera is only done when the scene absolutely calls for it and when shooting at the camera its actually a rule to lock off the camera and have no one near said camera until the scene is finished (blanks or anything). This is just as you said, gross negligence.
In the UK the BBC reported that as most staff were striking the directer of photography had to stand in as an "extra" to be shot at in the scene. I don't think she died behind the camera.
isn't it a well known film trick to use mirrors to simulate the "shooting at the camera" shot without actually shooting at/past the camera? I've seen youtubers do so with real guns, you imagine the film industry would do it better
I worked as a gunsmith for a few years, very first thing i was taught. "When you take possession a gun, check the chamber." It takes no more than 3 seconds. Never touch a gun without doing so, even if you've just witnessed the guy in front of you do the same, do it again. 3 seconds, potentially life saving. Sorry for everyone involved, terrible really.
Dummy rounds were being used. Even if he had checked the gun (which actors are typically encouraged not to do since it isn't their area of expertise) he wouldn't have had the know-how to notice anything was wrong.
@@daleharden1749 ... dummy rounds are missing... the projectile (i know, huge suprise) which anyone could see by pulling the slide of the gun back about 1-3 inches and peaking in. Look, I don't care who's at fault or why its justified. Just check the chamber if your handed a gun, ok? Know FOR CERTAIN whats in your hands.
@@2Breazy Dummy rounds are, in fact, not missing the projectile. They are missing the powder. This is so they look real when loaded in a gun where the bullets are exposed to camera while in the gun (i.e. a revolver). Look it up if you don't believe me.
@@daleharden1749 @Hayden sorry, as you noticed, I confused dummy rounds with blanks. Makes the equation less simple. I don't know what else to say... Guns don't shoot themselves, was taught to always take responsibility for the weapon in YOUR hand. Hell, if someone hands you a gun with "dummy" rounds in it, why not point it at the dirt and squeeze the trigger? Or in the case of it being a revolver you could easily check the casing (for the dimpled primer). This is my last comment on the matter, my only real point from the beginning here is just take the extra few moments to definitively check whats in your hands, regardless of what the person before you says or does.
As someone who has worked with blank firearms before, this story boggles my mind. Firstly, there is almost never a need to even possess live rounds on a hollywood set. Why in the world were they even there to begin with? The majority of "blank" guns are either dedicated prop guns or real firearms that have been modified (typically there is a plug that narrows the diameter of the barrel or a ramped barrel; this is needed because blank rounds do not produce the required force to blow back a slide, etc. We also use plugs to change how the muzzle flash is perceived). So my question is, how did they let a (presumably) unmodified firearm with live rounds slip into the hands of Alec Baldwin? I don't get it. This is either the biggest mistake in history or there is foul play involved. I don't understand how anybody with a shrivel of self respect or professionality could let this happen. It's unbelievable.
It's especially ironic since Alec Baldwin is extremely liberal and has been very vocal on his support for gun-control. It's almost as if these people that hate guns don't know anything about them and therefore deserve no say in regards to laws and regulations on them.
It's a western. Considering the time period, it may be difficult to obtain weapons of the era, let alone from someone who will allow you to modify them so they no longer function (many are collector's items). Actual bullets would be needed to place in the chambers of a revolver so they don't look empty. If one of these becomes lodged in the barrel, as it did with Brandon Lee, then blanks could push it the rest of the way out and into someone else.
@@johannderjager4146 IDK why people think this story is relevant to gun control at all. The gun was a prop gun, so the real issue should be "prop gun control/safety" and has nothing to do with letting normal citizens own guns. Its like blaming road laws for an accident where a meteor hit the car while they were in the driveway; completely irrelevant.
@@meowcat64 its not a prop gun if you can fire it. Theyre definitely using real guns with blanks. Either way, any gun that can be fired has to be checked
what's even more ironic is that the movie, "Rust" is about a teenager that goes on the run with his long-estranged grandfather (played by Baldwin) after the boy is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher.
@@xXMODERNPLAYERXx Eh I really dont think this is on the fault of Alec. Rust does in fact have an armorer who by multiple reports said "cold gun" meaning it has no ammo in it. I feel this should mean the armorer is at fault at least for involuntary man slaughter.
Literally cannot imagine the horror and grief Alec Baldwin must have felt and be going through. So incredibly frustrating when basic, common-sense procedures just. aren't followed. And end up not only causing problems, but _taking someone's life._
@@chiefn.s.p7044 Actors get producer roles in movies all the time. All that means is they receive a portion of the box office as opposed to an up front salary. It doesn't always give them any authority on set.
Perhaps had anyone on this set taken one of the many firearms safety courses offered by the NRA or GOA, this may have been avoided. But we all know why firearm experts are not consulted or employed in Hollywood, don’t we? That might make give the impression that firearm advocacy organizations take firearm use seriously as a safety concern, and that is very unhelpful to the political narratives we wish to advance here in Hollywood. There’s no deflection here that works. A woman is dead because these assholes were playing with guns. Had I been in charge and people were target shooting with live cartridges in a set piece, I’d fire their asses so fast it would have made their heads spin. There would be a real gunsmith and firearm safety professional handling the firearms, not some diversity hire daddy’s little girl playing at being a badass. And I would damn sure swallow my pride and dispense with petty political narratives and consult groups that advocate, design, and instruct in firearm safety to improve safety on film and TV show sets.
The thing that people tend to overlook in Brandon Lee's tragic death was that someone unfortunately pulled the trigger. That someone was Funboy's actor Michael Massee. Even a decade after the shooting, Michael told that he was still having nightmares of the incident and he took that guilt and trauma to his grave when he died of Stomach cancer in 2016. So yeah, Alec Baldwin will still have that guilt and trauma linger over him until it's his time to cross the river.
@@docshaw481 tbf, Baldwin is an absolute dickwad to people on Twitter. Rest assured, if this had happened to someone that he didn't like, he would be the one giving them shit about it.
@@spinaxchin I genuinely don't know whether this is or isn't supposed to be preempting people talking about one of Trump's sons selling 'Alec Baldwin kills people' shirts.
Info for anyone curious: Live rounds, on a movie set, are any rounds that have a charge. Blanks are called live rounds, as the only other bullets are dummy rounds. Blanks have a case and powder charge but no tip, and dummies have a tip and case, but no powder. A 'cold' gun, usually means it's loaded with dummy rounds. If a dummy round gets caught in the chamber, followed by a blank, you basically put all the parts together to make a bullet. It's the same thing that happened on The Crow. Definitely a complete fuck up from their prop department as a whole, since there's about 3-4 people who are supposed to check off on weapons during a multi-step process. Not to mention that it's standard to reset and inspect the weapons after every single discharge.
@@maruko8324 It was one shot, director was standing behind the victim, bullet went through the victim and with slow impact managed to.hit director too but it was far from lethal because it was already slow
@@zetterburger youre stupid. whatever the circumstances are, the result is an unnecessary death and a very traumatized man due to mostly the negligence of others.
@@whimsicalhana he pointed a fucking gun at someone and pulled the trigger. He should cleared the weapon himself!! One of the first rules about weapon safety. 100% his fault.
@@mikec7100 it was a prop gun. it wasn’t a “weapon”. and he’s not keanu reeves, i doubt he went through official weapon training in order to use a prop gun. there should not have been a live round anywhere on that set, especially not in the gun. if you say that alec baldwin is at fault, you’re an idiot.
@@toren1426 "Prop gun" is a lie the media convinced you of. Prop guns do not fire real bullets, they don't even have firing pins in them. Stop saying he used something he didn't.
As someone who is relatively gun savy, This is a disgusting display of negligence on behalf of the prop/production department. Anyone directly involved deserves to fired and charged with 3rd degree homicide.
The prop master or whatever they are called, was new at her job as prop master. This was only her 2nd gig as head of guns and she even said on a podcast (sidenote, weird that this type of person is on a podcast) that she was nervous on her first gig and still felt new on the job or something. You can hear it on TMZ.
this reminded me Murphy's Fourth Law: If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong.
Just do the 4 rules of gun safety and the chances of shooting someone will be almost zero 1) treated like it's loaded 2) aim it at a safe direction 3) finger off the trigger 4) check if it's loaded
@@gamaactive8278 Well to be fair, if you're on a movie set, with people around, and you're handed a gun which is said to be safe and will not fire live rounds, and you're all professionals, then of course you wouldn't treat the gun with the gun rules. The whole point of having those guns on set is to aim and shoot towards others lol. This ain't nobody's fault but the weapons master. He was responsible for making sure it was fine. Now, it could've been smarter to test fire the gun safely before doing anything but that responsibility is not Alec Baldwins either.
@@Scareth I might of agreed if he was shooting a modified airsoft gun but even if the gun shoots blanks, you still have the chance of shooting something out. Like an example is shrapnel, shrapnel is still a dangerous thing when it gets inside somebody. Another easy way on when to use the basic firearm safety rules is if it accepts any kind of ammo, soft point, Full Metal Jack, hard case, blanks, dummy, hollow point, ect. than treated like a live gun no excuses.
@@gamaactive8278 I mean I'm not one to talk I treat those green orange plastic pistols with gun rules but I still won't blame Alec Baldwin for assuming it was safe considering he's been in this business for so long and expects to be around professionals at this point
This is such a tragic moment, R.I.P. Hutchins. The fact that movie safety hasn't at all seemed to change since 1993 and has actually gotten WORSE is despicable
It generally has increased. Like the vast majority of productions have great safety. We haven't had an accident like this since 93. This was one awful production where people weren't doing the right thing. Overall things are kinda better (not trying to justify this tragedy, it's obviously horrible, just saying it is more of a one off in the movie industry and that if things were worse these would be more common)
That’s not true, there are procedures in place for uses of prop weapons on film sets, but as Charlie points out, this particular film disregarded all safety measures for their crew, especially when it came to the use of prop guns. This was totally avoidable, but the people involved didn’t give a shit.
As opposed to replying to every misinformed comment, I'm just going to leave one here and hope people see it. 1. "He should have checked the gun himself and treated it as if it was loaded." If we were talking about a range accident or something similar, I'd 100% agree with you. However, this was a movie set, and therefore a more complicated environment. Making sure the gun was safe to use wasn't as simple as visually confirming the gun was empty. A combination of dummy rounds and blanks were being used for the scene. Particularly dummy rounds are impossible to tell apart from real rounds while they are in the gun. It takes an experienced professional (i.e. the armorer) examining them outside of the gun to tell them apart. Not to mention that actors are typically encouraged not to check their own weapons for this very reason, because they do not likely have the experience required. As far as him pointing the gun in a dangerous direction, the shot they were working on called for a shot to be fired directly at camera. He wasn't pointing the gun anywhere he was explicitly told not to. 2. "He's listed as a producer on the film, so he's at least partially liable." Being a "producer" can mean multiple things. Quite frequently, big name actors will get "producer" credit simply because they receive a portion of the box office as payment as opposed to a flat salary. It doesn't always give them any actual authority on set.
I agree with you but on the last part of 1. "the shot they were working on called for a shot to be fired directly at camera. He wasn't pointing the gun anywhere he was explicitly told not to". I was told that it was between takes and that Alec was frustrated and jokingly said "How 'bout I fuckin' shoot the both of ya?" and then accidentally discharged the gun. personally I don't think that he should've had his finger on the trigger until he seen was taking place if the way I was told was true.
@@memesamurai1240 Every source I saw said that he was practicing for the shot. Now, I do agree he probably should have kept his finger off the trigger, but that still a relatively smaller amount of negligence on his part as opposed to the other parties involved.
What about the "the gun went off by accident, I never pulled the trigger" argument on a single action revolver? This was murder. Negligent maybe, but still murder.
@iCREATEmyFATE Dude I literally don't care who has what role... if the gun is capable of firing live ammo then whoever is firing it should know for himself what is coming out the barrel. Anyone who understands firearms knows this rule. There is a reason people are taught EVEN IF THE GUN IS UNLOADED(let alone blanked), TREAT IT AS LIVE.
Movie making safety is crazy bad, especially if you're not one of the actors or major creators. I remember that stunt woman on DP2 died and it was barely news. With that said, this is the exact kind of neglect I've experienced on every production/construction/machining job I've ever had. Profit and numbers are top priority, even if that means putting employee safety aside.
@@wantedwario2621 when all those people walked off set for safety reasons the producers should have said "ok something is not right we need to re-evaluate what's going on here and do better" did they do that? No, they go and hire a bunch of non union actors because they no non union workers aren't going to say anything about unsafe work practices, this is 100% on the producers who allowed this to continue
The fact that there was three more "accidental" discharges of a weapon beforehand shows how inexperienced the weapons master was. You would figure that after _one_ faulty discharge, they would actually use their brain and check the weapon to prevent it from happening again, or make sure that it was an actual prop gun, and not the real firearm. The death of the cinematographer was both unnecessary, and completely preventable. Charlie is right about how no one on the set seemed to care, and how they rushed to film this movie. If you gather an inexperienced crew, directors, and producers, something catastrophic is bound to happen. Not only is the cinematographer's family suffering from this, but Alec himself is distraught as well. Imagine dying because of someone else's ignorance, or living with the guilt of killing someone, realizing that this could have been prevented by a simple examination of the weapon.
@TheCobra Its not just in US film industry but film industry in general. The fact film industry uses real firearms is because the firing a fake fireams doesnt look or feel like a real firearm due to lack of recoil
Yeah, I feel a lot of people are like "Oh, it's a prop." And forget about all rules of gun safety. Like, you treat that like its a live weapon regardless, because like you said, its still an actual gun.
I was on the set for “The Mad Hatter”, and that was my first experience working with Halyna, we worked together for a month. She truly was one of the strongest female cinematographers I’ve ever met. I respected her from day 1, and learned a lot from her. This tragic event should’ve never happened, and this is and will be a reason why cutting corners on a budget, (especially in the props and safety dept.) can’t continue to be a norm in the film industry.
@Caleb from blood Because that might not be the case. Maybe after a long time in the film industry you meet many great male cinematographers and not very many female’s that are as good as them
@@calebfromblood6915 because the industry is male dominated and inherently sexist because of that - it's one thing being a great cinematographer, it's a whole nother thing being a great female cinematographer. acknowledging that is important to some people.
I read the armorer (a crew member that handles guns) had a few guns out at their tent, and was not present when the director came by and picked one up, giving it to Baldwin, saying its cold. Nothing but negligence, incompetence and stupidity.
The movie being a western is important to note since a single action revolver can be loaded with blanks without needing any modifications to operate. Meaning you can use a real revolver for the scenes which adds authenticity. As for a real bullet being on set and loaded that’s the real question
the people working on the project left the set in protest cause the gun misfired already. it was also a real gun and not a prop. the gun was also being used to shoot beer cans on the set evidently.
It boggles my fucking mind that someone thought it was a good idea to use a prop gun offset with live rounds in it. You can't just shoot the gun until the rounds are gone, sometimes live rounds get stuck behind something in the chamber. Why isn't it labeled as a prop gun and just never have live ammunition touch it? Better yet, if you're gonna be a dick and insist on using the gun at a shooting range offset or something, then why not fully take the gun apart and make 100% certain that there are no live rounds in there?
I can't help but be reminded of that situation in the filming of one of the Resi films where that stuntwoman was horrifically injured, and because the production company wasn't properly insured she never even saw any proper compensation for it.
just wanted to add, a live round in the film/prop industry doesn’t necessarily refer to a bullet. it can mean anything that is in the gun. whether that be a blank, blank fragments, bullet fragments, an actual bullet, etc. there are SUPPOSED to be people to throughly check every part of the gun to make sure that it is either completely cold/empty, or that the blanks are correctly in place and nothing will go wrong. this was 100% avoidable and happened due to improper inspection/training and laziness on the production companies side. the fact that they replaced the crew with NON UNION WORKERS is fucking insane.
I'm pretty sure you need live rounds to create blanks so yes live bullets on the set makes total sense. I was wrong about blanks. I was basing what I said about that based on the little bit I've heard from Brandon Lee situation. After looking into it more there are laws that got passed from that situation.
@Edward Scissorhands By who lol What a dumb take Alec couldn't have planned it since he didn't have control of the gun prior to it being given to him. Are you saying someone wanted to use Alec as a proxy for murder? Because that is like super duper unlikely.
Its hollywood... ofcourse it wasnt an accident. Look at who the person who died was in depth. "Wow what a brilliant plan kill someone in front of cameras" Yes, thats how they got away with it.
I worked in a movie once in which a real gun was used with blanks. Before every take the weapons master carefully checked the gun and made sure it is safe for everyone. He also told the actors to NEVER directly point it at a person. This is just shows that the incident was absolutely avoidable and that the production did not care about crew safety.
Some one said on the walking dead they teach the actors some gun knowledge so when there’s a gun on the scene the gun master checks it than all the actors check it in circle before filming
The cinematographer wanted a down the barrel shot of the weapon. Naturally she's right behind the camera. I don't see how that is Alec's fault, moreso just risky film making
Regarding this situation, I have seen so many people try to get political with this, saying that Alec deserved this for being anti-gun or even claiming a Trump supporter put a bullet in the prop gun. I swear the world has gone insane, there's no rational thought anymore.
I don't care about his politics or any of that shit, i blame him, since they were not filming and it was not part of a script he had no reason to point a gun at her let alone pull the trigger. He should be charged with accidental manslaughter at the least.
“The moral of the story is: I chose a half-measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half-measures.” It really sad that nobody learn their lesson from 28 years ago the death of Brandon Lee
@@kostok2627 He was talking to Walt about the time he was a police officer. Mike let a guy who was beating his girlfriend go and the guy ended up killing the girl, resulting in Mike feeling responsible for her death and thus “never sticking to half measures”
She should've gotten her boosters and worn the double mask. She'd still be alive. If it weren't for Alec and his unvaxxed gun. So sad. But yet another COVID statistic nevertheless. So vaccinate your toddlers and beagles everyone, sandflies are everywhere and 2yo kids don't always wear it over the nose. So let's literally change the definition of herd immunity, vaccine, and gain of function in current year cuz reasons. Safe and effective btw, 100% bro. But only if 113% of us get it. C'mon man. Like, bro.
The Brandon Lee incident was when they took a bullet apart emptied the powder out and then put it back together. They loaded the revolver with these “fake” rounds so you could see the actual bullets as they were doing a shot where you would notice if they were blanks. Well it seems to gun was fired and the primer propelled the bullet into the barrel but not enough to have it leave the barrel. They changed out the ammo and no one noticed one of the casings was missing a bullet and no one checked the barrel. They loaded blank rounds and then did a scene where they fired directly at Brandon and the force of the gunpowder shot the bullet(a .44 magnum round) out of the barrel, striking, and killing Brandon.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Like aiming a gun at someone and pulling a trigger. There's never a need for an actor to aim gun directly at someone and fire it, different camera angles and editing can take care of it. Alec Baldwin carries some blame here, as a perpetrator of an act and as a producer of filming.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko It depends on whatever protocols are in place within the industry. I agree that it would benefit everyone to be familiar with personal gun safety, but at the end of the day, an actor is just an actor and the burden shouldn't be on them to ensure a prop gun is safe. That obligation is not in their job description. That responsibility lies squarely on the prop handlers, and an actor shouldn't have to question the expertise of every expert on set.
Just so people know, blanks are still lethal. You are still firing a deadly amount of gunpowder out of the barrel. You should always treat any gun as if it is loaded and only ever point it at something you wish to destroy. That is the golden rule of firearms.
There are videos of .22 blanks blowing up a melon at point blank let alone live rounds. Baldwin needs time in the slammer to teach negligence isn't an excuse for homicide. Maybe then he can reflect on his hypocritical gun control bullshit
A fact that is often left out of stories about this shooting is that the movie was a WESTERN being filmed with REVOLVERS. This is really important because dummy rounds (or snap caps) are often used for close ups in westerns with revolvers. This is so the camera can show the real lead bullets in the exposed parts of the cylinder, or show the hero loading rounds into the gun one at a time (think the gun loading scenes from Westworld). Brandon Lee died because they were filming with a revolver specifically, which started the chain of events. There are more ways things can go wrong when using dummy rounds with revolvers because a round with powder and a real primer may look identical to one of the dummies.
Weld the damn blanks into the cylinder (so you know its “loaded”). Block the barrel. CGI the muzzle flash. Want recoil? Use air guns of just a damn flinch/rope when you fire. This is nuts in this day and age. Use a REPLICA too.
You do realize you can make fake bullets with out a primer or powder and mark them right? I mean, I know what you’re trying to say, but even I can buy plastic Dummy rounds for training and paint the
You have the glaring question exactly right here: Why was real ammo even there on set? There is no situation in filming a movie where you would need live ammo. And, in this day and age of adding muzzle flashes with special effects, you don't even need blanks.
That's not true. CGI muzzleflashes still look like garbage 99% of the time, blanks are still far superior. Also, there are rare circumstances when it's advantageous to fire live rounds on set. If you need to do a scene of shooting an inanimate object or target full of holes it's much easier and economical to do it for real rather than placing costly, tedious squibs everywhere. Obviously this is never to be done when any actors are present, though.
They were plinking with them off set on their downtime. Still doesn't excuse the Armorer not doing her actual job though, whether or not there were live rounds present. Never should have left them loaded, two people should have checked them before handing it to the actor, and the actor himself should have checked it before pointing it at a human being and pulling the trigger.
@@fredmercury1314 Even with blanks, a blank firing adapter attached to the front of the barrel is often used to keep the gas compressed, though there may be guns that does not require a BFA.
This reminds me of the time when the movie "The Crow" when Brandon Lee died from a live round during the set. I always seem that these things are really set up to put a hit on someone because why have LIVE rounds to begin with? And who bought those to replace the fake ones? The real bullets just don't "Magically" appear and say "I'm just going to put myself in this chamber and hope the person shooting it doesn't kill someone".
There could not have been a worse moment for this to happen. There was an International strike about to occur, citing basically the absolute insanity that are film crew working conditions, and the strike was averted by a very tenuous contract that needs to be voted in by the Union. With the amount of press this is getting, and the amount of casual eyes seeing just how ridiculous film crew working conditions could be, I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being a big moment for film crew Unions, and frankly that’s a good thing.
A lot of action movies actually use real guns with blanks, a lot of it is for presentation to the audience, so that it looks and feels real, for the actors and the for those watching. There is supposed to be their a weapons master or an armorer on set to inspect and check the tools and props used to make sure they are clean and safe to use. However there are a large number of productions that have minor live fire mishaps all the time, because the crew are overworked, underpaid and exhausted from long back to back shoots, with little to no breaks, and it leads to events like this. And in case you didn’t know the union for movie set crews or IOSTSI have been threatening to go on strike for months if working conditions and other stuff industry related problems arnt changed.
There are blank guns designed to only hold and fire blanks for that, using real guns instead of fetching blank guns or just doing a little addition to the barrel so there's no way a bullet could actually get through (as it's better for a barrel to blow than someone to get capped) is just being cheap, even cheaper is not giving everyone on the set a crash course on firearms safety and not. dismissing. blanks. as. harmless. If anyone is willing to give an answer on why the fuck real bullets where even within five miles from the set that would be the cherry on top, still, even if for that there's noone else to blame but the bullet fairy dispensing bullets to hungry hungry guns knowledge on proper handling would've helped preventing that.
Idiots need to STOP REPEATING THE MEDIA LIE, including moist. The press are misleading you on purpose. They keep saying he was given a prop gun. A prop gun is a gun that can’t fire bullets. Only a real gun can fire real bullets. He was given a real gun which was a six shooter revolver. They are saying prop gun for a reason. They are trying to diminish the fact that this was a crime.
@@willmcc05 Firearm Safety 101: Always treat a gun as if it's loaded. If someone tells you it's unloaded, you run like hell from that idiot because that's irrelevant and only an unsafe person would even say that.
I was in the military. One negligent discharge without injury or death could be an eventual career ender. Add injury or death and someone will lose their career sooner rather than later. We went to great lengths to ingrain firearms discipline and weapons safety. Baldwin is the Producer so he does bear responsibility beyond just pointing and pulling the trigger. In the military one of the most dangerous things we did in training was to conduct force on force maneuver training because we used blanks to engage the opposing force with a laser on the muzzle that would engage a buzzer on the targeted soldier. The possibility of accidentally mixing in live rounds was a recognized risk because it has happened several times over the years (although not often). We mitigated it by inspecting all soldiers, all bags and all magazines for live ammo before entering the training area. Sounds like no risk mitigation measures were in place on the scene of Rust.
A movie set isn't a military training ground though. So many people are so quick to blame Baldwin, when he was clearly just following a well established filming practice. I think it makes a lot of sense to me think that Alec was handed the gun by someone who should have already checked it. I'm not sure what him being a producer has to do with anything tbh. He was filming a scene where he had to fire at the camera. He was just doing his job at the end of the day.
Exactly this - your comment deserves more likes. I feel like negligence of that degree can only happen on account of gross disregard for rudimentary firearms safety guidelines, and no one trained on-set to correct them. Anyone with any kind of firearms training would have been able to practice better trigger safety and have been cognizant of the type of ammunition they are loading. The fact that no one bothered to check the gun getting fired is criminal - especially in light of the history of misfires.
@@jornavyr2459 anytime you are handed a firearm, regardless of if the person who handed it to you said there were no rounds, you need to personally check it yourself. I don’t think Alex Baldwin needs to go to jail/prison over this. However, he is not guilt free. His negligence caused someone to lose their life. A mother. A wife.
@@jornavyr2459 the fact that he's the producer means he's responsible for the competency of his hires. He hired someone who clearly has no business serving as OVERSIGHT of firearms protocols. She even admitted to feeling unprepared for this role. As a tenured producer, Alec would have been able discern someone who was THIS unprepared, which makes him liable, at least in part.
@@AHHHHHHKAL I'd be willing to wager that not a single actor or actress on the planet checks the gun before they fire it while on set. It's movie set. It's supposed to be prop, and someone else is supposed to have checked it. This is more a response to the guy above you, but I'm not sure how you film a shooting scene while practicing the utmost level of gun safety. Someone simply has to be in the line of fire. There is just no other option, especially if you're set on your movie looking somewhat authentic. I mean, how does Edward Norton shoot himself at the end of Fight Club, if he has to practice militant trigger discipline?
The armorer should 100% be charged if they did “check” the gun and said it was cleared. There had already been 2-3 discharges before hand and several people had left due to safety concerns. 1 discharge was with blanks while another was with live rounds where Alec fired near some cameramen.
From what I've heard the armorer was actually rather hesitant about her placement in the setup, given her own claimed lack of experience. She was literally aware that mistakes might happen due to her inexperience and yet they still pulled her on anyway. Not to mention a bunch of their workers straight up left to protest shitty working conditions, so you can imagine just how half assed security and safety on the set was.
I disagree. There is a standard in which you never aim the gun at crew let alone pull the trigger when aiming at another person. They’re able to edit these scenes with different angles to make it look as if the actor does. In addition to the point I just made, you should never trust someone else’s word that a gun isn’t loaded when they hand it to you. You safety check it yourself. It is undoubtedly Alec Baldwin’s fault.
The armorer was part of the union walkout when this happened. Baldwin (the producer) decided to continue production without the union. The assistant director (untrained in weapons handling) handed the gun to Baldwin. This is on Baldwin 100%.
Number one rule of gun safety. Always treat the gun as if it's loaded. If he wasn't so anti gun. This probably wouldnt of happened. All he had to do. Was check for a bullet instead of a crimp and or no primer to ignite the round. Simple.
That doesn't apply here. Once is one time too many, and needs to be investigated in it of itself. Twice is criminal neglect. Three times is never being allowed back in the industry. Blanks can still kill people when close enough, so a prop gun going off even once is enough reason to stop everything and figure out how it ever happened to begin with.
Film set conditions across the board are in dire need of some improvement. I've worked as a crew member (albeit breifly) on a film set with relatively good working conditions. At least compared to other sets. But even then I found it pretty hellish. 12-14 hours straight just working, doing heavy lifting with film equipment without being allowed to sit down for more than ten minutes, in sometimes downright oppressive weather. Not to mention the driving to and from random locations that can be in the middle of nowhere everyday, just to get back up in six hours and repeat the process. The fact that most crewmen are accustomed to that type of work, but STILL felt the need to walk off set speaks volumes. Fucked up situations like this can really start to kill my passion for film. Condolences to everyone involved man.
@@CadillacDeVilledElegance No way! I was just doing basic locations work, but on a super low budget movie down near where I live in Atlantic Canada. Even then, I had a pretty rough time. I've heard about lots of strikes going on recently in the film business. It's about time honestly.
In Australia, going over 10 hours is considered overtime, not sure if it’s different anywhere else but I think that this is a really good place for it as that’s enough time to get about 30 shots a day without rushing much
Alec needs to be held responsible because as any responsible gun owner will tell you, you check your own equipment. I don’t care if a navy seal hands me a gun and tells me it’s cold I check that shit because it’s what you do. It is the responsibility of everyone that picks up a weapon with the potential to kill someone to make sure it’s safe.
He's an Actor, he's on a Set not a firing range. Why would you consider prop gun a weapon in a movie set? Yes, prop guns technically real guns without live ammunition but again he's an actor, he expects the shit is checked beforehand. It's just a waste of time to look down and analyze if the shit is real when someone is *hired* to validate it. It's just an unfortunate accident.
@@johnjimenea8491 You clearly don't know shit about gun safety. Please read up on it sometime. Basic rules are simple, always keep the muzzle of your firearm pointed in a safe direction and always assume your firearm is loaded, whether it be a pellet gun, airsoft gun, "prop" gun or real gun. Yes it is an unfortunate accident, but if people knew more about gun safety this and many other accidents can easily been avoided.
Here's what I know from my knowledge: When people were asking and wondering "Why not just use prop or fake gun???" Believe it or not, most mid-tier budget action movies tend to actually use an actual real gun, even The Matrix used real guns. Some of the reasons are; 1) Prop guns are more expensive and harder to sell again than their real counterpart. And the departments tend to choose real guns since it's cheaper and easier to sell again after the production of the movie is done. 2) Authenticity. They want anything to feel as real as it could be (recoils, weight, sounds, details)
Also, "prop gun" doesn't even imply it's fake. Any piece of property being used on a film set is a prop. And like you've said, when guns are fired or used in close-up scenes, they mostly use real firearms. Although I believe most movies rent them during filming, rather than going through the trouble of buying & selling just for the few weeks that filming takes place.
@@Vidyadude They make prop guns that shoot blanks that are close to real except for the barrel is block in a way to only vent gas. The barrel is often blocked off with fake bullet so it looks real when looking down it
Prop guns in hollywood movies are almost always rented to specialized staff like the set armorers who are employed to keep the set safe, therefore no need to sell them on the open market (even if it were possible or legal). There's actually a couple outfits in California who specialize in making real guns into blank firing movie guns, such that they will never fit a real bullet into the chamber and therefore cannot fire a real bullet ever again. This is especially true of prop machine guns, as they are still classified as machine guns and require a special license to even possess them, especially places like California. There would be obvious exceptions, such as if the scene called for showing a gun being loaded--loading a blank into a revolver would be obvious to anyone who saw it, so in that case you'd use a cartridge with a bullet but no propellant, and a real gun with the firing pin ground off so even if a live round somehow got into it, it still wouldn't go off. Finally, weighted plastic 'blue guns' can be painted to look incredibly real on camera. What happened here was a failure on every possible level.
It's so upsetting that they treat people like that. She was somebody's child, mother, wife, etc. and could easily still be here if they cared about anything other than money. RIP to an innocent person who did not deserve this.
@@mrnonpoints7271 he is 0% to blame and I feel horrible for him honestly. Imagine unintentionally killing someone because of a mistake you didn’t even make.
I remember reading something about The Crow and the death of Brandon Lee... Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong), they modified live rounds to be blanks, which have cardboard bullets instead of lead, but somehow, for some reason, they'd loaded a live round into the chamber (I think they were actually shooting in some scenes), and a lead bullet got lodged in there, so when they went to fire a blank, it caused that lead tip to shoot out... I think that's how it went... But still, this caused most movie sets to be more careful about this kind of thing. Like the old adage, treat every gun as if it's loaded, the #1 rule in gun safety. They're supposed to use forced perspective and never point it directly at a person. I know we shouldn't blame Alec for this, but man... Like you said, it was such a preventable tragedy.
the movie is about a man who accidentally murders someone and goes on the run... someone was accidentally murdered on the set of a movie about someone accidentally murdering someone... irony just got a new definition.
the working conditions on film sets are abysmal. My close friend was working on set of a Netflix show being filmed in the uk. Every day he would wake up at around 4 in the morning to be on set. He was more often than not expected to work over-time, and because of the long drive, he literally wasn't able to make it home, sleep, and drive back the next day, so during his employment there, spent most of his nights sleeping in his car. This was common enough that people had taken to taking coke just to stay awake during the day on set, something that he was lucky enough to be able to avoid himself.
Due to this and many other things, after that gig wrapped he simply didn't want to continue working in the film industry. Its fucked up to me how we hear so much about working hard to get your foot in the door in the entertainment industry, but when you actually do you're just met with one of the most scummy/corner cutting/skirting the edge of legality work environments on the planet.
Sorry to hear that. I have worked on couple of film sets and it has been great. Yes there is a lot of stress, but we had strict schedule and We would work extra overtime only due to events that were out of our hands and it was at max 1h extra.
No blame towards Mr. Baldwin, but i can't imagine taking or getting handed a firearm without immediately doing a chamber check. Always, even if i've seen someone else doing it. My drill seargent should've gone into movie set security, one time a guy pointed an unloaded pistol at him in jest and he knocked him straight out. It was beautiful.
I don't disagree with you in principle but the gun is set up by someone, which is witnessed by someone else, and the actor doesn't need to be involved in that... if the two people do their jobs right. That's just how it's done on most movie sets. You know, at some point in your life you're going to have to trust someone. Just make sure it's not someone Alec Baldwin hired.
@@Mike-gt1cs Those are *your* rules. If you say it's safe the responsibility is YOURS so you better be damn sure you're right. Especially if you're being paid to be right. If you say it's safe and it's not then you're a negligent lying POS.
It wasn't even just that they hired untrained non-IATSE union members, but they fired IATSE union members and hired scabs instead, and one of those scabs was the Armourer dealing with the loading of the firearm. Movie companies would literally rather cause more harm and pay for the fallout than spend money addressing the concerns of their employees
I hope Alec is doing okay, the shame of accidentally taking someone's life must be unbearable. I would be such a broken man after that, I hope he can forgive himself for his role in all of this edit: can't believe I had to clarify this, but I obviously also feel terrible for the victims of this incident, it's beyond tragic for them and their families/loved ones. My comment wasn't listing every single thought and opinion I had on every party involved in this case, just commenting on one specific aspect of the situation
@@invincible867 I get his suspicions, probably not Alec but for there to be a loaded gun on the set is very strange, I recall there being an article saying someone told him the gun was cold as well. Probably should look into that guy.
Live round does not mean a bullet in the movie world. Live round just means there is an explosive round in it. A blank round is a live round because there is an explosion. Blank rounds have killed before. They are still very dangerous.
There had actually been three accidental prop gun discharges before this incident and people were literally walking off the set to protest how unsafe it was. Alec hired nonunion labor to replace them and ignored the problems.
Watching Scott Prop and Roll's opinion, he said there should never be live rounds on set in general. He also pointed out many other safety breaches that I wouldn't have thought of.
@@muckamuckamojo1822 That's what prop makers like Scott are for, to make shit that looks real that isn't actually real, there was still no reason for live rounds to be on the set.
Im not a pro and i dont know what has changed or not, but go look up Brandon Lee death. He was shot on a set with a gun with dummy round basically (crew forgot to remove some thing called primer and it behaved like a bullet or something) EDIT oh sorry i just reached point in the video where charlie talkes about it
Honestly how can you pull the trigger of a gun without checking the clip and chamber first to make sure there aren't any rounds in it blank or others???
I've never heard charlie this legitimately angry, and for good reason. What the hell were the people in charge thinking, I'm not a spiritual person but the universe gave them 3 warnings and they didn't bat an eye
Alec was a producer and therefore he was one of the people in charge. He also had the free will to walk off the set with the other crew due to their unsafe working conditions.
His own fault and responsible for it. Celebrities are not supposed to get passes. He killed someone. Just like the girl who shot her boyfriend for a video by accident she got jail time for it. And she should have. Alec should as well. No sympathy he should have known better
Alec's Lawyer: "It's not Alec's fault, cause the newbie safety crew failed to verify the safety of the gun." Union Lawyer: "But it's not their fault, cause our original safety crew walked out due to unsafe leadership from the production staff." Alec's Lawyer: "So it's the producer's fault! And that person is... _[checks notes]_ *"...Uh oh."*
Alec Baldwin was an executive producer. He was among those making decisions to cut corners and rush to get it done. That's ultimately what makes him responsible in this tragedy
Most actors become executive producers on their films or shows, it's often a meaningless title, given for financial reasons. They don't usually have much say or authority.
Most actors become executive producers on their films or shows, it's often a meaningless title, given for financial reasons. They don't usually have much say or authority.
The whole premise of "Rust" is that a boy is on the run because he's sentenced to death after accidentally killing someone. Its crazy considering the circumstances.
Ace Attorney levels of coincidence.
I wouldnt be suprised if the prop handler was named "Liv Round" or something
lots of bitter irony rn
@@Stephetheon It's more poetic rather than irony.
I was chatting to my mum the other morning and she said exactly that, what a bizarre coincidence!
imagine its not a coincidence at all, and actually a really fucked up marketing ploy
“I’m not really part of the film industry” Charlie, you starred in the hunger games… god you’re such a humble man
Don't forget about his contributions to the Fucking at Rock Hard Manor.
Truly we are honored to be in his presence, so virtuos.
also in last of the grads
We mere mortals cannot even comprehend his true presence
Can’t believe you guys forgot about his most important role, Kessler from Killer Bean the series
'it's like a hitman mission". Exactly. One of the first missions in "hitman 4 blood money" is that you go to a theatre during rehearsal, and secretly exchange the protagonist's replica to a real pistol.
That mission (and many of the levels I believe) take place during contracts [A Remake of Codename 47], you can see the targets from 'Curtains Close' in the on level 'Hunter & Hunted'
@@Lance-The-BoS-Lancer nice. I wish i had the patience, time, and skill to complete all hitman games. I only managed blood money and absolution
@@kepeter97 if you get a PS 2, you can get contracts and silent assassin.
I think so too a prop gun shouldn't be able to handle the pressure from live ammunition or even be able to load it.... not only that why was live ammunition even on set? Major red flags across the board
@@mckstellar1005 some movies film specific scenes with live ammo, usually when a object is gonna get shot up in a scene without people around it. I think the xenomorphs in aliens were shot with live rounds in scenes where it shows them getting shot to pieces, but they’re just dummy xeno targets filled with green stuff, no actors in harms way
Just to clarify something for everyone here, as this is a common mistake made often by many people. A prop gun is often (but not always), a completely functional firearm. Guns that are loaded with and fire blanks are real firearms. They are referred to as prop guns to clarify their role on set.
More than 29 people need to see and know this.
No
Boggles my mind why was it offset
Thanks I didn’t know that makes more sense now
Most prop guns are set up to only take crimped cartridges, if it is able shoot a full cartridge it is then considered a “firearm”
yes, we know that, the real problem is why were there real bullets even near the set. and being used in guns that were being used in the movie.
really stupid, totally avoidable. We can put a man on the moon but can't figure out how to not shot and kill people on movie sets?
The armorer has to be on top of weapons, this dumb girl was not.
Then there should be another check by someone else after the armorer,
then another verification by the talent, so they are assured and consent.
We could not have made it to the moon with backup systems, and backups of backups.
The most important question is: What is a real lethal round doing anywhere near a movie prop gun?
I don't know that it was necessarily an actual bullet as you would buy for normal shooting in it, if there was anything in the barrel at the time they shot the blank that would become a projectile
Bullets are not allowed on movie sets where blanks are present. Debris got into the blank and then shot out.
Hutchins supported the remaining union workers going on strike. Aiming at her was no accident. Literally how to get away with murder.
Hollywood amirite
@@Mr12Relic you saying this some kind of hitman agent 47 type of accident?
My dad was an extra on The Walking Dead, he's told me a few times about the process they had to do in order to use the guns on set. Supposedly, every single person who was going to be in the scene had to sit in a circle and pass every single gun that was going to be used for the scene around the circle, and each of them had to confirm that it was filled with blanks, or empty. I really don't know how they let something like this happen...
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Bound to happen with a bunch of people who don’t respect guns
What in cuck city?
Cool insight
Especially when you realize that Baldwin has been working with prop firearms for longer than most of us have been alive. There's no fucking excuse for this he deserves to be charged.
Apparently the assisstant director was fired from a set in 2019 over gun safety negligence and an 'unexpected discharge' that injured a sound crew member
And so obviously the best idea was to give him the same job again
Its crazy how people overlook this stuff or straight up just don't care at all...
Was a woman who’s dad is a big name and she’s riding off his coat tails
Nah see what she was working on and you’ll see why she was shot
@@joonjonjew Yea she was a skinwalker
America go dumb
At one of my previous jobs, my manager embezzled almost $200,000 from the company we worked for, Corporate fired his ass and he was arrested and put on trial and everything. It was in the local news, he had gotten a lot of attention for it, but McDonalds about 200 yards away from the company he'd been arrested for robbing hired him on to be a manager not even a month later. It really is absurd how people can overlook/not care. And the price we pay for it is quite large sometimes.
"Hours before Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins, seven unionized crew members, who were protesting unsafe working conditions, were told to leave the set, with a producer threatening to call the police if they did not leave, and were replaced by non-union members. There was no union prop master present on the set during the incident."
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He did it on purpose? Jfc
At this point the director was asking for it.
I read an article from a Belgian director reacting to this and he explained the rules that they had to follow. He said whenever there is sometype of weapon being used they hire a weapon safety specialist who brings the weapons himself. Shows EVERYONE on set the gun is empty, then shoots a few times towards a safe direction to proof nothing comes out and then it is given to the actor. I believe rust missed a few steps
Real,fake or pretend you should know to never aim a gun at someone.
@@ericpatton7767 they were filming a movie..... You just wanting movies with guns not to exists or something?
@@Willow4526 they can just use a airsoft gun and cgi effects
@@Willow4526 Probably should have people who actually know something about gun safety....clearly this guy knew nothing about how to properly handle a gun and chick for himself if it's loaded or not.
@@astrotecn But they didn't dumbass. That's not how movies work.
It's a cowboy's movie. This is why prop guns exist and are used thousands of times every day in movies.
In many cases, real guns are used as well. They tried to cut costs, this is why shit like this happens.
Also idk if someone has said this yet, but shooting at the camera is only done when the scene absolutely calls for it and when shooting at the camera its actually a rule to lock off the camera and have no one near said camera until the scene is finished (blanks or anything). This is just as you said, gross negligence.
The first thing you learn when handling guns is to always treat them as loaded even if you think they aren’t. Prime example right here
In the UK the BBC reported that as most staff were striking the directer of photography had to stand in as an "extra" to be shot at in the scene. I don't think she died behind the camera.
@chad kaminski aaand there's always gotta be a political fetishist that's gotta take advantage of a tragedy to further push their own agenda
@@Juddersbaby1 See I can't remember where I heard it but I heard he was rehearsing his lines with the two and was like next to em
isn't it a well known film trick to use mirrors to simulate the "shooting at the camera" shot without actually shooting at/past the camera? I've seen youtubers do so with real guns, you imagine the film industry would do it better
The most ironic part is that the movie is actually about a teen accidentally shooting someone and going on the run.
that's SO fucking ironic what the HELL
So they were being authentic
@@octaviablackthorn9 based on a true story
@@octaviablackthorn9 Method acting Gone Wrong. Sounds like an article from the Onion
@@polyunrhythmicinactiveacco4772 lol
I worked as a gunsmith for a few years, very first thing i was taught. "When you take possession a gun, check the chamber."
It takes no more than 3 seconds. Never touch a gun without doing so, even if you've just witnessed the guy in front of you do the same, do it again. 3 seconds, potentially life saving. Sorry for everyone involved, terrible really.
"always consider every gun as loaded gun"
Dummy rounds were being used. Even if he had checked the gun (which actors are typically encouraged not to do since it isn't their area of expertise) he wouldn't have had the know-how to notice anything was wrong.
@@daleharden1749 ... dummy rounds are missing... the projectile (i know, huge suprise) which anyone could see by pulling the slide of the gun back about 1-3 inches and peaking in. Look, I don't care who's at fault or why its justified. Just check the chamber if your handed a gun, ok? Know FOR CERTAIN whats in your hands.
@@2Breazy Dummy rounds are, in fact, not missing the projectile. They are missing the powder. This is so they look real when loaded in a gun where the bullets are exposed to camera while in the gun (i.e. a revolver). Look it up if you don't believe me.
@@daleharden1749 @Hayden sorry, as you noticed, I confused dummy rounds with blanks. Makes the equation less simple. I don't know what else to say... Guns don't shoot themselves, was taught to always take responsibility for the weapon in YOUR hand. Hell, if someone hands you a gun with "dummy" rounds in it, why not point it at the dirt and squeeze the trigger? Or in the case of it being a revolver you could easily check the casing (for the dimpled primer). This is my last comment on the matter, my only real point from the beginning here is just take the extra few moments to definitively check whats in your hands, regardless of what the person before you says or does.
As someone who has worked with blank firearms before, this story boggles my mind. Firstly, there is almost never a need to even possess live rounds on a hollywood set. Why in the world were they even there to begin with? The majority of "blank" guns are either dedicated prop guns or real firearms that have been modified (typically there is a plug that narrows the diameter of the barrel or a ramped barrel; this is needed because blank rounds do not produce the required force to blow back a slide, etc. We also use plugs to change how the muzzle flash is perceived). So my question is, how did they let a (presumably) unmodified firearm with live rounds slip into the hands of Alec Baldwin? I don't get it. This is either the biggest mistake in history or there is foul play involved. I don't understand how anybody with a shrivel of self respect or professionality could let this happen. It's unbelievable.
It's especially ironic since Alec Baldwin is extremely liberal and has been very vocal on his support for gun-control. It's almost as if these people that hate guns don't know anything about them and therefore deserve no say in regards to laws and regulations on them.
It's a western. Considering the time period, it may be difficult to obtain weapons of the era, let alone from someone who will allow you to modify them so they no longer function (many are collector's items). Actual bullets would be needed to place in the chambers of a revolver so they don't look empty. If one of these becomes lodged in the barrel, as it did with Brandon Lee, then blanks could push it the rest of the way out and into someone else.
@@johannderjager4146 IDK why people think this story is relevant to gun control at all. The gun was a prop gun, so the real issue should be "prop gun control/safety" and has nothing to do with letting normal citizens own guns.
Its like blaming road laws for an accident where a meteor hit the car while they were in the driveway; completely irrelevant.
@@johannderjager4146 lol ok guy
@@meowcat64 its not a prop gun if you can fire it. Theyre definitely using real guns with blanks. Either way, any gun that can be fired has to be checked
"I'm not apart of the film board or film industry that much, besides being the world's best actor". Whatta guy
Agreed
With all the available technology, he still uses facts to communicate with us. Mad respect.
So Humble because hes holding back from holding the entire hunger games franchise on his back
Tell me why I read this comment as he said it😂
Panem wouldn't be watchable without him
what's even more ironic is that the movie, "Rust" is about a teenager that goes on the run with his long-estranged grandfather (played by Baldwin) after the boy is sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher.
No fucking way... Really?
@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 Yup. Highly ironic.
Wow
feels like a respun rick and morty vibe
@@xXMODERNPLAYERXx Eh I really dont think this is on the fault of Alec. Rust does in fact have an armorer who by multiple reports said "cold gun" meaning it has no ammo in it. I feel this should mean the armorer is at fault at least for involuntary man slaughter.
Literally cannot imagine the horror and grief Alec Baldwin must have felt and be going through. So incredibly frustrating when basic, common-sense procedures just. aren't followed. And end up not only causing problems, but _taking someone's life._
Look, Alec Baldwin was a producer on this movie. He was in charge
@@chiefn.s.p7044 Actors get producer roles in movies all the time. All that means is they receive a portion of the box office as opposed to an up front salary. It doesn't always give them any authority on set.
Perhaps had anyone on this set taken one of the many firearms safety courses offered by the NRA or GOA, this may have been avoided. But we all know why firearm experts are not consulted or employed in Hollywood, don’t we? That might make give the impression that firearm advocacy organizations take firearm use seriously as a safety concern, and that is very unhelpful to the political narratives we wish to advance here in Hollywood.
There’s no deflection here that works. A woman is dead because these assholes were playing with guns. Had I been in charge and people were target shooting with live cartridges in a set piece, I’d fire their asses so fast it would have made their heads spin. There would be a real gunsmith and firearm safety professional handling the firearms, not some diversity hire daddy’s little girl playing at being a badass.
And I would damn sure swallow my pride and dispense with petty political narratives and consult groups that advocate, design, and instruct in firearm safety to improve safety on film and TV show sets.
@@TheSpicyLeg "some diversity hire daddy's little girl playing at being a badass" curb your misogyny and get off your high horse, jesus.
“Do not point a gun at anything you are not willing to kill or destroy.”
The thing that people tend to overlook in Brandon Lee's tragic death was that someone unfortunately pulled the trigger. That someone was Funboy's actor Michael Massee. Even a decade after the shooting, Michael told that he was still having nightmares of the incident and he took that guilt and trauma to his grave when he died of Stomach cancer in 2016. So yeah, Alec Baldwin will still have that guilt and trauma linger over him until it's his time to cross the river.
What's more messed up is that Alec is the producer for this film so he is also responsible for the sets conditions to some degree
It’s sad that Alec is gonna have even more shit in his back because of fucking Twitter.
@@docshaw481 tbf, Baldwin is an absolute dickwad to people on Twitter. Rest assured, if this had happened to someone that he didn't like, he would be the one giving them shit about it.
@@spinaxchin I genuinely don't know whether this is or isn't supposed to be preempting people talking about one of Trump's sons selling 'Alec Baldwin kills people' shirts.
@@grthwllms When did I say anything about Trump?
The movie, I kid you not, is about Alec Baldwin trying to protect his grandson who was accused of an accidental murder.
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Weird really
@Gabi very cool
Info for anyone curious: Live rounds, on a movie set, are any rounds that have a charge. Blanks are called live rounds, as the only other bullets are dummy rounds. Blanks have a case and powder charge but no tip, and dummies have a tip and case, but no powder. A 'cold' gun, usually means it's loaded with dummy rounds. If a dummy round gets caught in the chamber, followed by a blank, you basically put all the parts together to make a bullet. It's the same thing that happened on The Crow. Definitely a complete fuck up from their prop department as a whole, since there's about 3-4 people who are supposed to check off on weapons during a multi-step process. Not to mention that it's standard to reset and inspect the weapons after every single discharge.
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Ohh thanks for explaining, the most informative comment I have read today
What explains the 2nd shot that wounded the other person?
@@maruko8324 hello there
@@maruko8324 It was one shot, director was standing behind the victim, bullet went through the victim and with slow impact managed to.hit director too but it was far from lethal because it was already slow
I hate this guy, but he definitely didn't deserve this. he's scarred for life.
I wouldn't wish that to my worse enemy, this isn't fair.
You can tell that the people defending Alec, know the least about guns.
@@zetterburger youre stupid. whatever the circumstances are, the result is an unnecessary death and a very traumatized man due to mostly the negligence of others.
@@whimsicalhana he pointed a fucking gun at someone and pulled the trigger. He should cleared the weapon himself!! One of the first rules about weapon safety. 100% his fault.
@@mikec7100 it was a prop gun. it wasn’t a “weapon”. and he’s not keanu reeves, i doubt he went through official weapon training in order to use a prop gun. there should not have been a live round anywhere on that set, especially not in the gun. if you say that alec baldwin is at fault, you’re an idiot.
@@toren1426 "Prop gun" is a lie the media convinced you of. Prop guns do not fire real bullets, they don't even have firing pins in them. Stop saying he used something he didn't.
As someone who is relatively gun savy, This is a disgusting display of negligence on behalf of the prop/production department. Anyone directly involved deserves to fired and charged with 3rd degree homicide.
Manslaughter more likely but they're from Hollywood so nothings going to happen.
@@peachu7 lol more than likely
Involuntary manslaughter.
No, the only person to blame is the prop master no one else, and it would be involuntary manslaughter.
This is no way 3rd degree homicide...like what? lmao
The prop master or whatever they are called, was new at her job as prop master. This was only her 2nd gig as head of guns and she even said on a podcast (sidenote, weird that this type of person is on a podcast) that she was nervous on her first gig and still felt new on the job or something. You can hear it on TMZ.
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Oh it's a her? That explains a lot
this reminded me Murphy's Fourth Law: If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong.
Just do the 4 rules of gun safety and the chances of shooting someone will be almost zero
1) treated like it's loaded
2) aim it at a safe direction
3) finger off the trigger
4) check if it's loaded
people should heed Murphy more often
@@gamaactive8278 Well to be fair, if you're on a movie set, with people around, and you're handed a gun which is said to be safe and will not fire live rounds, and you're all professionals, then of course you wouldn't treat the gun with the gun rules.
The whole point of having those guns on set is to aim and shoot towards others lol. This ain't nobody's fault but the weapons master. He was responsible for making sure it was fine. Now, it could've been smarter to test fire the gun safely before doing anything but that responsibility is not Alec Baldwins either.
@@Scareth I might of agreed if he was shooting a modified airsoft gun but even if the gun shoots blanks, you still have the chance of shooting something out. Like an example is shrapnel, shrapnel is still a dangerous thing when it gets inside somebody. Another easy way on when to use the basic firearm safety rules is if it accepts any kind of ammo, soft point, Full Metal Jack, hard case, blanks, dummy, hollow point, ect. than treated like a live gun no excuses.
@@gamaactive8278 I mean I'm not one to talk I treat those green orange plastic pistols with gun rules but I still won't blame Alec Baldwin for assuming it was safe considering he's been in this business for so long and expects to be around professionals at this point
If anyone doesn't know yet, Rust is about an accidental murder...
“Once Is Chance, Twice is Coincidence, Third Time Is A Pattern” Ian Fleming
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@Gabi ok god is real to me
ironically the movies about someone who accidentally kills a person
Jesus
They had to get him into character
@@AcceptLove i feel so bad for laughing at this
hope they still got the shot they needed
@@hillbillyvikingr puns are too good for this tragedy
This is such a tragic moment, R.I.P. Hutchins.
The fact that movie safety hasn't at all seemed to change since 1993 and has actually gotten WORSE is despicable
It generally has increased. Like the vast majority of productions have great safety. We haven't had an accident like this since 93. This was one awful production where people weren't doing the right thing. Overall things are kinda better (not trying to justify this tragedy, it's obviously horrible, just saying it is more of a one off in the movie industry and that if things were worse these would be more common)
What happened in '93?
That’s not true, there are procedures in place for uses of prop weapons on film sets, but as Charlie points out, this particular film disregarded all safety measures for their crew, especially when it came to the use of prop guns. This was totally avoidable, but the people involved didn’t give a shit.
@@calvinf9218 Bruce Lee's son was shot and killed on set because there was a live round in the gun
@@nugget3687 was he not killed by shrapnel from a blank? I could be wrong but i always thought that it wasn't a real bullet
As opposed to replying to every misinformed comment, I'm just going to leave one here and hope people see it.
1. "He should have checked the gun himself and treated it as if it was loaded."
If we were talking about a range accident or something similar, I'd 100% agree with you. However, this was a movie set, and therefore a more complicated environment. Making sure the gun was safe to use wasn't as simple as visually confirming the gun was empty. A combination of dummy rounds and blanks were being used for the scene. Particularly dummy rounds are impossible to tell apart from real rounds while they are in the gun. It takes an experienced professional (i.e. the armorer) examining them outside of the gun to tell them apart. Not to mention that actors are typically encouraged not to check their own weapons for this very reason, because they do not likely have the experience required. As far as him pointing the gun in a dangerous direction, the shot they were working on called for a shot to be fired directly at camera. He wasn't pointing the gun anywhere he was explicitly told not to.
2. "He's listed as a producer on the film, so he's at least partially liable."
Being a "producer" can mean multiple things. Quite frequently, big name actors will get "producer" credit simply because they receive a portion of the box office as payment as opposed to a flat salary. It doesn't always give them any actual authority on set.
Amen. There are too many "I've shot on a range so I know that he should've checked the chamber!!!" -comments here..
I agree with you but on the last part of 1. "the shot they were working on called for a shot to be fired directly at camera. He wasn't pointing the gun anywhere he was explicitly told not to". I was told that it was between takes and that Alec was frustrated and jokingly said "How 'bout I fuckin' shoot the both of ya?" and then accidentally discharged the gun.
personally I don't think that he should've had his finger on the trigger until he seen was taking place if the way I was told was true.
@@memesamurai1240 Every source I saw said that he was practicing for the shot. Now, I do agree he probably should have kept his finger off the trigger, but that still a relatively smaller amount of negligence on his part as opposed to the other parties involved.
What about the "the gun went off by accident, I never pulled the trigger" argument on a single action revolver?
This was murder. Negligent maybe, but still murder.
@@LittleJackGaming "Negligent murder" is called "manslaughter".
The people behind the safety were probably like: Relax, It's just ONE death
First thing you should learn with firearms is the one pulling the trigger is responsible
99.7% of the crew survived, so what are you afraid of?
Two deaths.
Brandon lee died filming the crow
@iCREATEmyFATE Dude I literally don't care who has what role... if the gun is capable of firing live ammo then whoever is firing it should know for himself what is coming out the barrel. Anyone who understands firearms knows this rule. There is a reason people are taught EVEN IF THE GUN IS UNLOADED(let alone blanked), TREAT IT AS LIVE.
@@Tony-qt4zv ok gun nut
Movie making safety is crazy bad, especially if you're not one of the actors or major creators. I remember that stunt woman on DP2 died and it was barely news. With that said, this is the exact kind of neglect I've experienced on every production/construction/machining job I've ever had. Profit and numbers are top priority, even if that means putting employee safety aside.
How was profit put over safety here? The live ammunition was likely the fault of the property department, and not at all in the hands of producers.
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@@wantedwario2621 when all those people walked off set for safety reasons the producers should have said "ok something is not right we need to re-evaluate what's going on here and do better" did they do that? No, they go and hire a bunch of non union actors because they no non union workers aren't going to say anything about unsafe work practices, this is 100% on the producers who allowed this to continue
You mean deadpool????
@@lll2923 Which makes the whole thing ironic considering Alec Baldwin IS one of the producers of the film
The fact that there was three more "accidental" discharges of a weapon beforehand shows how inexperienced the weapons master was. You would figure that after _one_ faulty discharge, they would actually use their brain and check the weapon to prevent it from happening again, or make sure that it was an actual prop gun, and not the real firearm. The death of the cinematographer was both unnecessary, and completely preventable. Charlie is right about how no one on the set seemed to care, and how they rushed to film this movie. If you gather an inexperienced crew, directors, and producers, something catastrophic is bound to happen. Not only is the cinematographer's family suffering from this, but Alec himself is distraught as well. Imagine dying because of someone else's ignorance, or living with the guilt of killing someone, realizing that this could have been prevented by a simple examination of the weapon.
Well said. Plus the 1st Assistant Director had been fired from a film he was working on a couple of years ago for accidental gun discharges.
The Armorer was probably a 24 year old with bright purple hair, hahaha just kidding.....oh wait...
@TheCobra Its not just in US film industry but film industry in general. The fact film industry uses real firearms is because the firing a fake fireams doesnt look or feel like a real firearm due to lack of recoil
The weapons master wasn’t on set “ cnn “
Alec Baldwin is historically an alcoholic and has a history of violence too
that actually was a hitman mission in the operahouse level you could replace an actors fake bullets with real ones to kill the target
I guess what we have here then is a real life re-enactment
I like how Charlie throws himself a nod about being the worlds best actor
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bro did you see him in the Mockingjay Part ? He carried that movie
Baldwin is a cold blooded killer
@@monkeballs3063 he carried the whole series
@@thegreatresetofthehumanrac664 no I don’t think so
"Gun is always loaded, even if it ain't"
- Jeremy Renner on Wind River
Jeremy definitely didn't follow his own advice when he vibe checked his wife with a five-seven.
@@imjustlookingformywatch damn...
@@imjustlookingformywatch hey man, she didn't pass the vibe check, what is a man supposed to do
@@sublimelove23 Oh shit I guess thats true.
@@sublimelove23 bruh, you spitting facts
important note: a prop gun is just a real gun being used as a prop, people get confused about that sometimes. However, they do usually use blanks.
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@Gabi i agree but who tf asked
...I'm sorry but this just screams "America"
Yeah, I feel a lot of people are like "Oh, it's a prop." And forget about all rules of gun safety. Like, you treat that like its a live weapon regardless, because like you said, its still an actual gun.
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“This town ain’t big enough for the two of us”
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I was on the set for “The Mad Hatter”, and that was my first experience working with Halyna, we worked together for a month. She truly was one of the strongest female cinematographers I’ve ever met. I respected her from day 1, and learned a lot from her. This tragic event should’ve never happened, and this is and will be a reason why cutting corners on a budget, (especially in the props and safety dept.) can’t continue to be a norm in the film industry.
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Because that might not be the case. Maybe after a long time in the film industry you meet many great male cinematographers and not very many female’s that are as good as them
@@calebfromblood6915 shut up dude
@@calebfromblood6915 *_You know Amy..._*
As opposed to the weakest female cinematographer lmao
@@calebfromblood6915 because the industry is male dominated and inherently sexist because of that - it's one thing being a great cinematographer, it's a whole nother thing being a great female cinematographer. acknowledging that is important to some people.
I read the armorer (a crew member that handles guns) had a few guns out at their tent, and was not present when the director came by and picked one up, giving it to Baldwin, saying its cold. Nothing but negligence, incompetence and stupidity.
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@@matnar0285 it's everywhere, nothing new
@@lord_khufu Jesus, every comment section on this vids comments have it
The movie being a western is important to note since a single action revolver can be loaded with blanks without needing any modifications to operate. Meaning you can use a real revolver for the scenes which adds authenticity. As for a real bullet being on set and loaded that’s the real question
the people working on the project left the set in protest cause the gun misfired already. it was also a real gun and not a prop. the gun was also being used to shoot beer cans on the set evidently.
It boggles my fucking mind that someone thought it was a good idea to use a prop gun offset with live rounds in it. You can't just shoot the gun until the rounds are gone, sometimes live rounds get stuck behind something in the chamber. Why isn't it labeled as a prop gun and just never have live ammunition touch it? Better yet, if you're gonna be a dick and insist on using the gun at a shooting range offset or something, then why not fully take the gun apart and make 100% certain that there are no live rounds in there?
I've heard a couple of times that said gun was being used for target practice before it was handed to him and that's why it had bullets.
Seems like foul play or some impossibly disgusting lack of firearms safety. It bewilders me that something like this could occur.
Saving Private Fucking Ryan had rubber weapons, and I bet you didn’t know. Fuck authenticity someone lost their life.
I can't help but be reminded of that situation in the filming of one of the Resi films where that stuntwoman was horrifically injured, and because the production company wasn't properly insured she never even saw any proper compensation for it.
Working on the set of Rust sounds strikingly similar to the game Rust
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At this point an eoka has a lower chance of going off than a gun on the set off rust
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this is honestly so sad and so traumatic for everyone involved, i hope everyone is okay and rest in peace to hutchins
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@@CHICKENNUGGETSKOON bruh wtf
I remember that mission in Hitman: Blood Money when you change a propgun for a real one on that Opera level
That mission was awesome because of the many ways you could do it. Actually every mission in Blood Money was pretty awesome.
@@JaguarXJ That's the point of Hitman
or "midnight animal" at the start of hotline miami 2: wrong number
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just wanted to add, a live round in the film/prop industry doesn’t necessarily refer to a bullet. it can mean anything that is in the gun. whether that be a blank, blank fragments, bullet fragments, an actual bullet, etc. there are SUPPOSED to be people to throughly check every part of the gun to make sure that it is either completely cold/empty, or that the blanks are correctly in place and nothing will go wrong. this was 100% avoidable and happened due to improper inspection/training and laziness on the production companies side. the fact that they replaced the crew with NON UNION WORKERS is fucking insane.
To all the people saying he doesn't know what hes talking about. He was the lead actor in the hunger games movie so, think again.
"lead actor" lol
@Muscleman8562 Sounds disgusting, won't watch it
@@musclegeek1991 yep he was the lead actor
@@musclegeek1991 That's right, he made the movie what it is.
This is exactly why we’re all striking in the film community right now, this is like you said, completely avoidable.
Glad to know The Rat King is with the people.
Good luck with the strike. This tragedy is a perfect example of why you don't work with scabs.
Hollywood is going through a historic turning point
We are with you, stand firm. Solidarity Forever!
It's weird that any real bullets were anywhere near the set. Definitely more to this
I'm pretty sure you need live rounds to create blanks so yes live bullets on the set makes total sense.
I was wrong about blanks. I was basing what I said about that based on the little bit I've heard from Brandon Lee situation. After looking into it more there are laws that got passed from that situation.
@@comedyterrorist9075 no you don't you can just straight up buy blanks no need to make them especially with how incompetent as fuck these guys are
@@comedyterrorist9075 dumbest shit I’ve ever heard 😂
@Edward Scissorhands By who lol What a dumb take
Alec couldn't have planned it since he didn't have control of the gun prior to it being given to him. Are you saying someone wanted to use Alec as a proxy for murder? Because that is like super duper unlikely.
Court documents says its not a real bullet but a blank. Its called a Live ammo in filming. They mix up.
There is actually a Mission called “Curtains Down” in Hitman Bloodmoney that you can switch the prop gun to a real gun and kill someone
@@malikbolsa1504 Too soon man
Its hollywood... ofcourse it wasnt an accident. Look at who the person who died was in depth.
"Wow what a brilliant plan kill someone in front of cameras"
Yes, thats how they got away with it.
A prop gun is only capable of taking crimped cases a real gun can take both
@@manlamp7531 she was a shitty director anyways
@@manlamp7531 we got a theorist in the comments
I worked in a movie once in which a real gun was used with blanks. Before every take the weapons master carefully checked the gun and made sure it is safe for everyone. He also told the actors to NEVER directly point it at a person. This is just shows that the incident was absolutely avoidable and that the production did not care about crew safety.
Some one said on the walking dead they teach the actors some gun knowledge so when there’s a gun on the scene the gun master checks it than all the actors check it in circle before filming
Some people said they're are also many times they need to point it at a person too
The cinematographer wanted a down the barrel shot of the weapon. Naturally she's right behind the camera. I don't see how that is Alec's fault, moreso just risky film making
The producer being alec Baldwin.... bad choice of words.
Neither did Alec even care to not point that gun at anybody.
Regarding this situation, I have seen so many people try to get political with this, saying that Alec deserved this for being anti-gun or even claiming a Trump supporter put a bullet in the prop gun.
I swear the world has gone insane, there's no rational thought anymore.
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It's either:
-all trumps fault (somehow)
-he deserves it
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I don't care about his politics or any of that shit, i blame him, since they were not filming and it was not part of a script he had no reason to point a gun at her let alone pull the trigger. He should be charged with accidental manslaughter at the least.
Your the first I've seen to bring it up
“The moral of the story is: I chose a half-measure when I should have gone all the way. I'll never make that mistake again. No more half-measures.” It really sad that nobody learn their lesson from 28 years ago the death of Brandon Lee
nice breaking bad reference
Kind of a funny quote when the original full measure Mike was talking about was killing somebody. (I forgot who though, I think it was Gus)
@@kostok2627 about killing Jesse
@@kostok2627 He was talking to Walt about the time he was a police officer. Mike let a guy who was beating his girlfriend go and the guy ended up killing the girl, resulting in Mike feeling responsible for her death and thus “never sticking to half measures”
She should've gotten her boosters and worn the double mask. She'd still be alive. If it weren't for Alec and his unvaxxed gun. So sad. But yet another COVID statistic nevertheless. So vaccinate your toddlers and beagles everyone, sandflies are everywhere and 2yo kids don't always wear it over the nose. So let's literally change the definition of herd immunity, vaccine, and gain of function in current year cuz reasons. Safe and effective btw, 100% bro. But only if 113% of us get it. C'mon man. Like, bro.
If I had a nickel for every time someone was shot on a movie set I’d probably have a 5 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened 5 times
The Crow and Rust will stand next to each other on many people’s shelves
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@@ditodevice1950 I absolutely hope that is the case, but unfortunately, I can see the production team trying to shake it off and finish the movie.
@@ditodevice1950 Recent news said the movie was "cancelled indefinitely." Don't expect for them to release it after this.
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Everyone except the individual that brought a prop gun loaded and didn't check if it had a real bullet on it.
The Brandon Lee incident was when they took a bullet apart emptied the powder out and then put it back together. They loaded the revolver with these “fake” rounds so you could see the actual bullets as they were doing a shot where you would notice if they were blanks. Well it seems to gun was fired and the primer propelled the bullet into the barrel but not enough to have it leave the barrel.
They changed out the ammo and no one noticed one of the casings was missing a bullet and no one checked the barrel. They loaded blank rounds and then did a scene where they fired directly at Brandon and the force of the gunpowder shot the bullet(a .44 magnum round) out of the barrel, striking, and killing Brandon.
Exactly. And as I recall the bullet was sitting there lodged in the barrel for a few days, just waiting for that moment in time.
Geez, it’s sort of funny how people who probably advocate for gun control in their private lives have no clue how to actually use guns safely
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Like aiming a gun at someone and pulling a trigger. There's never a need for an actor to aim gun directly at someone and fire it, different camera angles and editing can take care of it. Alec Baldwin carries some blame here, as a perpetrator of an act and as a producer of filming.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko "PROBABLY". As if it's the actor's fault.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko It depends on whatever protocols are in place within the industry. I agree that it would benefit everyone to be familiar with personal gun safety, but at the end of the day, an actor is just an actor and the burden shouldn't be on them to ensure a prop gun is safe. That obligation is not in their job description. That responsibility lies squarely on the prop handlers, and an actor shouldn't have to question the expertise of every expert on set.
I don’t understand how any of this happened. How do you “accidentally” load live ammunition into a gun like is the prop guy blind?
Just so people know, blanks are still lethal. You are still firing a deadly amount of gunpowder out of the barrel. You should always treat any gun as if it is loaded and only ever point it at something you wish to destroy. That is the golden rule of firearms.
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When you're an anti 2nd amendment person, you don't know shit about gun safety lol.
There are videos of .22 blanks blowing up a melon at point blank let alone live rounds. Baldwin needs time in the slammer to teach negligence isn't an excuse for homicide. Maybe then he can reflect on his hypocritical gun control bullshit
@@Noobish_Camper55 it literally wasnt his fault though?
"a deadly amount of gunpowder"
"The fucking prisoners on Alcatraz island were treated with more respect than the crew on rust."
This guy is the connoisseur of commentary.
Baldwin is a cold blooded killer
@@thegreatresetofthehumanrac664 oh just shut up
@@FredBstar3K he killed her, that makes him a killer
@@layerislive i highly fucking doubt it was intentional you weirdo
@@FredBstar3K That's not the point. He still killed her, there's no denying that fact. It being unintentional doesn't change that.
A fact that is often left out of stories about this shooting is that the movie was a WESTERN being filmed with REVOLVERS. This is really important because dummy rounds (or snap caps) are often used for close ups in westerns with revolvers. This is so the camera can show the real lead bullets in the exposed parts of the cylinder, or show the hero loading rounds into the gun one at a time (think the gun loading scenes from Westworld). Brandon Lee died because they were filming with a revolver specifically, which started the chain of events. There are more ways things can go wrong when using dummy rounds with revolvers because a round with powder and a real primer may look identical to one of the dummies.
... why would they have rounds with powder in the first place tho, not like they'll use it
Weld the damn blanks into the cylinder (so you know its “loaded”). Block the barrel. CGI the muzzle flash.
Want recoil? Use air guns of just a damn flinch/rope when you fire. This is nuts in this day and age.
Use a REPLICA too.
If the dummy rounds looked identical to the real rounds what's the point of the real rounds?
Yeah except the giant cone bit sticking out of the top of the round.. could never notice that.
You do realize you can make fake bullets with out a primer or powder and mark them right? I mean, I know what you’re trying to say, but even I can buy plastic Dummy rounds for training and paint the
You have the glaring question exactly right here: Why was real ammo even there on set? There is no situation in filming a movie where you would need live ammo. And, in this day and age of adding muzzle flashes with special effects, you don't even need blanks.
That's not true. CGI muzzleflashes still look like garbage 99% of the time, blanks are still far superior. Also, there are rare circumstances when it's advantageous to fire live rounds on set. If you need to do a scene of shooting an inanimate object or target full of holes it's much easier and economical to do it for real rather than placing costly, tedious squibs everywhere. Obviously this is never to be done when any actors are present, though.
They were plinking with them off set on their downtime. Still doesn't excuse the Armorer not doing her actual job though, whether or not there were live rounds present. Never should have left them loaded, two people should have checked them before handing it to the actor, and the actor himself should have checked it before pointing it at a human being and pulling the trigger.
@@jrm4408 Sound like they could have brought them home at the end of the day and maybe lose a couple and no one would notice.
How do you cycle a semiauto pistol without blanks? I mean, I guess you could use a decent CO2 airsoft replica.
@@fredmercury1314 Even with blanks, a blank firing adapter attached to the front of the barrel is often used to keep the gas compressed, though there may be guns that does not require a BFA.
It’s ironic because his character in the movie is out for revenge after his son is convicted for an accidental murder
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Usually they have armorers on set with weapons and stuff. They should’ve been the one to check the gun before handing it over.
They usually do but this one didn't. It was a 24 year old girl on her second set with very little knowledge of firearms
thats why alec deserves to be jailed lol. dude was a producer. rich people and cheap movie labor. color me shocked.
Agreed he was cheap about production chose profit over safety he should reap what he’s sow
@@FfsWolf But why would they even have live rounds?
@@shaggnar2014 stupidity and or they were shooting off set which I've heard which is also stupid considering Alec is anti gun
"If you can dodge a bullet, we can dodge a lawsuit." Is there a more American motto?
Go watch the movie dodgeball.
Baldwin is a cold blooded killer
If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball
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@@thegreatresetofthehumanrac664 No, that's just blatantly wrong.
This reminds me of the time when the movie "The Crow" when Brandon Lee died from a live round during the set. I always seem that these things are really set up to put a hit on someone because why have LIVE rounds to begin with? And who bought those to replace the fake ones? The real bullets just don't "Magically" appear and say "I'm just going to put myself in this chamber and hope the person shooting it doesn't kill someone".
There could not have been a worse moment for this to happen. There was an International strike about to occur, citing basically the absolute insanity that are film crew working conditions, and the strike was averted by a very tenuous contract that needs to be voted in by the Union. With the amount of press this is getting, and the amount of casual eyes seeing just how ridiculous film crew working conditions could be, I wouldn’t be surprised if this ends up being a big moment for film crew Unions, and frankly that’s a good thing.
@Jon Missing the point entirely.
@Jon you might want to work on those critical thinking skills
@Jon Dude you dumb af. CREWS. FILM CREWS. NOT THE ACTORS. Troglodyte.
@Jon Noob.
@Jon my man forgot basic words and the ability to read.
A lot of action movies actually use real guns with blanks, a lot of it is for presentation to the audience, so that it looks and feels real, for the actors and the for those watching. There is supposed to be their a weapons master or an armorer on set to inspect and check the tools and props used to make sure they are clean and safe to use.
However there are a large number of productions that have minor live fire mishaps all the time, because the crew are overworked, underpaid and exhausted from long back to back shoots, with little to no breaks, and it leads to events like this.
And in case you didn’t know the union for movie set crews or IOSTSI have been threatening to go on strike for months if working conditions and other stuff industry related problems arnt changed.
There are blank guns designed to only hold and fire blanks for that, using real guns instead of fetching blank guns or just doing a little addition to the barrel so there's no way a bullet could actually get through (as it's better for a barrel to blow than someone to get capped) is just being cheap, even cheaper is not giving everyone on the set a crash course on firearms safety and not. dismissing. blanks. as. harmless.
If anyone is willing to give an answer on why the fuck real bullets where even within five miles from the set that would be the cherry on top, still, even if for that there's noone else to blame but the bullet fairy dispensing bullets to hungry hungry guns knowledge on proper handling would've helped preventing that.
Idiots need to STOP REPEATING THE MEDIA LIE, including moist. The press are misleading you on purpose. They keep saying he was given a prop gun. A prop gun is a gun that can’t fire bullets. Only a real gun can fire real bullets. He was given a real gun which was a six shooter revolver. They are saying prop gun for a reason. They are trying to diminish the fact that this was a crime.
I don't understand why they don't use airsoft guns with the orange tip removed
@@willmcc05 Firearm Safety 101: Always treat a gun as if it's loaded. If someone tells you it's unloaded, you run like hell from that idiot because that's irrelevant and only an unsafe person would even say that.
@@willmcc05 or completely disasable the insides of a real gun so its not possible for it to even shoot
I was in the military. One negligent discharge without injury or death could be an eventual career ender. Add injury or death and someone will lose their career sooner rather than later. We went to great lengths to ingrain firearms discipline and weapons safety. Baldwin is the Producer so he does bear responsibility beyond just pointing and pulling the trigger. In the military one of the most dangerous things we did in training was to conduct force on force maneuver training because we used blanks to engage the opposing force with a laser on the muzzle that would engage a buzzer on the targeted soldier. The possibility of accidentally mixing in live rounds was a recognized risk because it has happened several times over the years (although not often). We mitigated it by inspecting all soldiers, all bags and all magazines for live ammo before entering the training area. Sounds like no risk mitigation measures were in place on the scene of Rust.
A movie set isn't a military training ground though. So many people are so quick to blame Baldwin, when he was clearly just following a well established filming practice. I think it makes a lot of sense to me think that Alec was handed the gun by someone who should have already checked it. I'm not sure what him being a producer has to do with anything tbh. He was filming a scene where he had to fire at the camera. He was just doing his job at the end of the day.
Exactly this - your comment deserves more likes. I feel like negligence of that degree can only happen on account of gross disregard for rudimentary firearms safety guidelines, and no one trained on-set to correct them. Anyone with any kind of firearms training would have been able to practice better trigger safety and have been cognizant of the type of ammunition they are loading. The fact that no one bothered to check the gun getting fired is criminal - especially in light of the history of misfires.
@@jornavyr2459 anytime you are handed a firearm, regardless of if the person who handed it to you said there were no rounds, you need to personally check it yourself.
I don’t think Alex Baldwin needs to go to jail/prison over this. However, he is not guilt free. His negligence caused someone to lose their life. A mother. A wife.
@@jornavyr2459 the fact that he's the producer means he's responsible for the competency of his hires. He hired someone who clearly has no business serving as OVERSIGHT of firearms protocols. She even admitted to feeling unprepared for this role. As a tenured producer, Alec would have been able discern someone who was THIS unprepared, which makes him liable, at least in part.
@@AHHHHHHKAL I'd be willing to wager that not a single actor or actress on the planet checks the gun before they fire it while on set. It's movie set. It's supposed to be prop, and someone else is supposed to have checked it.
This is more a response to the guy above you, but I'm not sure how you film a shooting scene while practicing the utmost level of gun safety. Someone simply has to be in the line of fire. There is just no other option, especially if you're set on your movie looking somewhat authentic. I mean, how does Edward Norton shoot himself at the end of Fight Club, if he has to practice militant trigger discipline?
It doesn't matter what somebody tells you about a gun. You check it yourself. Always.
Someone had said this straight up looks like a scenario from a Hitman game.
Bloodmoney, theatre mission. I think the 2nd one in the game. You can change out the bullets in a prop gun and kill one of the targets that way.
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@@1backup887 bruh, please don't waste people's time like that. For anyone else reading, it's just some random video
and a sketch on monty python except that was swapping a fake knife with the real one
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Did Hollywood learn from Brandon Lee’s death? Jesus, this shouldn’t have happened again! May Halyna rest in peace.
I've been saying the same thing...
This so dumb for real. What budget had this thing?
The armorer should 100% be charged if they did “check” the gun and said it was cleared. There had already been 2-3 discharges before hand and several people had left due to safety concerns. 1 discharge was with blanks while another was with live rounds where Alec fired near some cameramen.
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From what I've heard the armorer was actually rather hesitant about her placement in the setup, given her own claimed lack of experience. She was literally aware that mistakes might happen due to her inexperience and yet they still pulled her on anyway.
Not to mention a bunch of their workers straight up left to protest shitty working conditions, so you can imagine just how half assed security and safety on the set was.
I disagree. There is a standard in which you never aim the gun at crew let alone pull the trigger when aiming at another person. They’re able to edit these scenes with different angles to make it look as if the actor does. In addition to the point I just made, you should never trust someone else’s word that a gun isn’t loaded when they hand it to you. You safety check it yourself. It is undoubtedly Alec Baldwin’s fault.
Baldwin is a cold blooded killer
The armorer was part of the union walkout when this happened. Baldwin (the producer) decided to continue production without the union. The assistant director (untrained in weapons handling) handed the gun to Baldwin. This is on Baldwin 100%.
"If you give him half a chance when your back is turned, the devil will put a bullet in your gun and make it go off" - 5rr
i cant even imagine how alec feels at the moment. my heart goes out to everyone who was there and hutchins’ family.
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Alec is the reason that woman died who the fuck cares how he’s feeling?
Charlie saying he’s not a movie expert when he wrote directed and starred in Hunger Games…
He didnt write the movies just the books.
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@@thejustinsteffan actually hunger games is real, charlie materialized it into existence and starred in it
“If you can dodge a bullet, you can dodge a lawsuit” really did it for me 😂
Number one rule of gun safety. Always treat the gun as if it's loaded. If he wasn't so anti gun. This probably wouldnt of happened. All he had to do. Was check for a bullet instead of a crimp and or no primer to ignite the round. Simple.
“Once is a chance, twice is a coincidence, third time is a pattern”
- Ian Fleming
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Ayeee Its Sonia!
That doesn't apply here. Once is one time too many, and needs to be investigated in it of itself. Twice is criminal neglect. Three times is never being allowed back in the industry. Blanks can still kill people when close enough, so a prop gun going off even once is enough reason to stop everything and figure out how it ever happened to begin with.
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yeah but, who asked
“If you can dodge a bullet we can dodge a lawsuit” comedy fucking gold, holy shit that’s amazing
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@@yhavinmiles Quat?
Film set conditions across the board are in dire need of some improvement. I've worked as a crew member (albeit breifly) on a film set with relatively good working conditions. At least compared to other sets. But even then I found it pretty hellish. 12-14 hours straight just working, doing heavy lifting with film equipment without being allowed to sit down for more than ten minutes, in sometimes downright oppressive weather. Not to mention the driving to and from random locations that can be in the middle of nowhere everyday, just to get back up in six hours and repeat the process. The fact that most crewmen are accustomed to that type of work, but STILL felt the need to walk off set speaks volumes. Fucked up situations like this can really start to kill my passion for film.
Condolences to everyone involved man.
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I work as a locations coordinator for some shows in the ATL area.
We had a strike almost occur on Monday because of said conditions.
It's terrible.
@@CadillacDeVilledElegance No way! I was just doing basic locations work, but on a super low budget movie down near where I live in Atlantic Canada. Even then, I had a pretty rough time.
I've heard about lots of strikes going on recently in the film business. It's about time honestly.
In Australia, going over 10 hours is considered overtime, not sure if it’s different anywhere else but I think that this is a really good place for it as that’s enough time to get about 30 shots a day without rushing much
Alec needs to be held responsible because as any responsible gun owner will tell you, you check your own equipment. I don’t care if a navy seal hands me a gun and tells me it’s cold I check that shit because it’s what you do. It is the responsibility of everyone that picks up a weapon with the potential to kill someone to make sure it’s safe.
He's an Actor, he's on a Set not a firing range. Why would you consider prop gun a weapon in a movie set? Yes, prop guns technically real guns without live ammunition but again he's an actor, he expects the shit is checked beforehand. It's just a waste of time to look down and analyze if the shit is real when someone is *hired* to validate it. It's just an unfortunate accident.
@@johnjimenea8491 location does not change safety procedures.
@@coltriley8786 it's not his job to ensure safety procedures. the person who is, should be held accountable
@@johnjimenea8491 please don’t ever handle a firearm
@@johnjimenea8491 You clearly don't know shit about gun safety. Please read up on it sometime. Basic rules are simple, always keep the muzzle of your firearm pointed in a safe direction and always assume your firearm is loaded, whether it be a pellet gun, airsoft gun, "prop" gun or real gun. Yes it is an unfortunate accident, but if people knew more about gun safety this and many other accidents can easily been avoided.
Here's what I know from my knowledge:
When people were asking and wondering "Why not just use prop or fake gun???"
Believe it or not, most mid-tier budget action movies tend to actually use an actual real gun, even The Matrix used real guns.
Some of the reasons are;
1) Prop guns are more expensive and harder to sell again than their real counterpart. And the departments tend to choose real guns since it's cheaper and easier to sell again after the production of the movie is done.
2) Authenticity. They want anything to feel as real as it could be (recoils, weight, sounds, details)
Also, "prop gun" doesn't even imply it's fake. Any piece of property being used on a film set is a prop. And like you've said, when guns are fired or used in close-up scenes, they mostly use real firearms. Although I believe most movies rent them during filming, rather than going through the trouble of buying & selling just for the few weeks that filming takes place.
I see what you mean. Thought im surprised they don't rent the prop guns since most things on a movie are.
Prop guns don't fire blanks, real guns do. That's why they use real guns. Prop guns are typically none functioning guns or guns made out of plastic.
@@Vidyadude They make prop guns that shoot blanks that are close to real except for the barrel is block in a way to only vent gas. The barrel is often blocked off with fake bullet so it looks real when looking down it
Prop guns in hollywood movies are almost always rented to specialized staff like the set armorers who are employed to keep the set safe, therefore no need to sell them on the open market (even if it were possible or legal). There's actually a couple outfits in California who specialize in making real guns into blank firing movie guns, such that they will never fit a real bullet into the chamber and therefore cannot fire a real bullet ever again. This is especially true of prop machine guns, as they are still classified as machine guns and require a special license to even possess them, especially places like California.
There would be obvious exceptions, such as if the scene called for showing a gun being loaded--loading a blank into a revolver would be obvious to anyone who saw it, so in that case you'd use a cartridge with a bullet but no propellant, and a real gun with the firing pin ground off so even if a live round somehow got into it, it still wouldn't go off.
Finally, weighted plastic 'blue guns' can be painted to look incredibly real on camera.
What happened here was a failure on every possible level.
It's so upsetting that they treat people like that. She was somebody's child, mother, wife, etc. and could easily still be here if they cared about anything other than money. RIP to an innocent person who did not deserve this.
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@@mrnonpoints7271 It’s not his fault tho
@Boyan petrov it was absolutely his fault, he shot them case closed
@@mrnonpoints7271 he is 0% to blame and I feel horrible for him honestly. Imagine unintentionally killing someone because of a mistake you didn’t even make.
Support the strikes and unions who are fighting against this Hollywood negligence RN!
Give us a link then
@@liluzifart6321 you are capable of researching it yourself
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In a week no one will remember this
@@djoraxxxxxx5412 I mean, if you're not personally affected few would care.
I remember reading something about The Crow and the death of Brandon Lee... Apparently (correct me if I'm wrong), they modified live rounds to be blanks, which have cardboard bullets instead of lead, but somehow, for some reason, they'd loaded a live round into the chamber (I think they were actually shooting in some scenes), and a lead bullet got lodged in there, so when they went to fire a blank, it caused that lead tip to shoot out... I think that's how it went...
But still, this caused most movie sets to be more careful about this kind of thing. Like the old adage, treat every gun as if it's loaded, the #1 rule in gun safety. They're supposed to use forced perspective and never point it directly at a person. I know we shouldn't blame Alec for this, but man... Like you said, it was such a preventable tragedy.
I just don't understand how a live round can ever be allowed on set without regulations making sure they're always accounted for.
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Its Sante Fe NM. In New Mexico, ammo to kill people with are everywhere. In the food even.
Well you see, hollywood is comprised of people who know nothing about guns or gun safety.
“Live” in this context does not mean a real cartridge with a bullet.
It’s a “live” blank
@@fungdark8270 Actually live in this context means live like it's in real life and in real time. Like Saturday Night Live.
the movie is about a man who accidentally murders someone and goes on the run... someone was accidentally murdered on the set of a movie about someone accidentally murdering someone... irony just got a new definition.
They had to sell it somehow
Yeah and when I read it I was amazed by the irony
Also Alec is a big anti-gun.
His lack od gun knowledge didin't help.
The emperor of irony find it ironic
We really didn’t need that explanation
@The TacoCat imagine being such a pos
the working conditions on film sets are abysmal. My close friend was working on set of a Netflix show being filmed in the uk.
Every day he would wake up at around 4 in the morning to be on set. He was more often than not expected to work over-time, and because of the long drive, he literally wasn't able to make it home, sleep, and drive back the next day, so during his employment there, spent most of his nights sleeping in his car. This was common enough that people had taken to taking coke just to stay awake during the day on set, something that he was lucky enough to be able to avoid himself.
Due to this and many other things, after that gig wrapped he simply didn't want to continue working in the film industry. Its fucked up to me how we hear so much about working hard to get your foot in the door in the entertainment industry, but when you actually do you're just met with one of the most scummy/corner cutting/skirting the edge of legality work environments on the planet.
And yet Alec was the producer
@@greatgallade so?
Sorry to hear that. I have worked on couple of film sets and it has been great. Yes there is a lot of stress, but we had strict schedule and We would work extra overtime only due to events that were out of our hands and it was at max 1h extra.
No blame towards Mr. Baldwin, but i can't imagine taking or getting handed a firearm without immediately doing a chamber check. Always, even if i've seen someone else doing it. My drill seargent should've gone into movie set security, one time a guy pointed an unloaded pistol at him in jest and he knocked him straight out. It was beautiful.
i mean there might be a possibility that he just has no clue about how guns work
I don't disagree with you in principle but the gun is set up by someone, which is witnessed by someone else, and the actor doesn't need to be involved in that... if the two people do their jobs right. That's just how it's done on most movie sets.
You know, at some point in your life you're going to have to trust someone.
Just make sure it's not someone Alec Baldwin hired.
@Cenestpasmapersonnalité There were no smartphones back then. ^^
@@fredmercury1314 You trust NO ONE else with firearms safety. The RESPONSIBILITY is yours, if you are handling the firearm.
@@Mike-gt1cs Those are *your* rules. If you say it's safe the responsibility is YOURS so you better be damn sure you're right. Especially if you're being paid to be right.
If you say it's safe and it's not then you're a negligent lying POS.
It wasn't even just that they hired untrained non-IATSE union members, but they fired IATSE union members and hired scabs instead, and one of those scabs was the Armourer dealing with the loading of the firearm. Movie companies would literally rather cause more harm and pay for the fallout than spend money addressing the concerns of their employees
The director literally took a gun from the armorers tent without her knowledge while she was busy with someone, but nice gaslighting you shill.
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@@thelordofcringe So they left loaded weapons laying around? Idk, that still kind of sounds like their fault.
Jesus, didn’t know they were going non-union. Awful. Have to take that shit seriously and bring people on who are protected by their unions.
capitalism 101
I hope Alec is doing okay, the shame of accidentally taking someone's life must be unbearable. I would be such a broken man after that, I hope he can forgive himself for his role in all of this
edit: can't believe I had to clarify this, but I obviously also feel terrible for the victims of this incident, it's beyond tragic for them and their families/loved ones. My comment wasn't listing every single thought and opinion I had on every party involved in this case, just commenting on one specific aspect of the situation
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@@cecilrhodes1057 stfu. It was an accident. People like you are what’s wrong with this world.
@@invincible867 I get his suspicions, probably not Alec but for there to be a loaded gun on the set is very strange, I recall there being an article saying someone told him the gun was cold as well. Probably should look into that guy.
@@MrGreenBeanBeenBeanin its not like he loaded the weapon.
wow this was rlly sad, rest in piece halyna
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Hit the nail right on the head towards the end. They shouldn't have had blanks and live rounds in the same environment under any circumstances.
One can only wonder how truly filled with shock and dread everyone on the set was, when the prop fired an actual round
Live round does not mean a bullet in the movie world. Live round just means there is an explosive round in it. A blank round is a live round because there is an explosion. Blank rounds have killed before. They are still very dangerous.
There had actually been three accidental prop gun discharges before this incident and people were literally walking off the set to protest how unsafe it was. Alec hired nonunion labor to replace them and ignored the problems.
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Watching Scott Prop and Roll's opinion, he said there should never be live rounds on set in general. He also pointed out many other safety breaches that I wouldn't have thought of.
They used the live rounds for a close up of the revolver setting a bullet in the chamber
@@muckamuckamojo1822 That's what prop makers like Scott are for, to make shit that looks real that isn't actually real, there was still no reason for live rounds to be on the set.
@@muckamuckamojo1822 it shouldn't have been a live round. Thats what dummy rounds are for.
Im not a pro and i dont know what has changed or not, but go look up Brandon Lee death. He was shot on a set with a gun with dummy round basically (crew forgot to remove some thing called primer and it behaved like a bullet or something)
EDIT oh sorry i just reached point in the video where charlie talkes about it
When i heard this I literally thought of the movie “The Crow”. Been over 25 years since this kind of incident happened
Same, and it's a real tragedy, unfortunately this is WAY WORSE because it involved an actual live round instead of a blank gone wrong.
He had so much potential 😪
I loved that movie, the dark ambient, the makeup
Before that it was 9 years. This kind of thing has literally only happened three times.
Honestly how can you pull the trigger of a gun without checking the clip and chamber first to make sure there aren't any rounds in it blank or others???
I love how he tried to describe the looney tunes character like we were sitting infront of him and could actually answer 🤣🤣
Yes, so hilarious within the theme of someone dying, a family losing their wife/mother and Alec Baldwin having incurable trauma ... Ha ha
@@MrCrashystyle shutup
@@MrCrashystyle why u looking for an argument 💀
@@MrCrashystyle go back to twitter or r/news and leave us alone
@@MrCrashystyle you really do behave like your name
I've never heard charlie this legitimately angry, and for good reason. What the hell were the people in charge thinking, I'm not a spiritual person but the universe gave them 3 warnings and they didn't bat an eye
The bit about the universe giving them 3 warnings really hit how avoidable this really was.
Alec bears responsibility as well
@@forsaken22 As producer, yes. As actor, no.
Alec was a producer and therefore he was one of the people in charge. He also had the free will to walk off the set with the other crew due to their unsafe working conditions.
His own fault and responsible for it.
Celebrities are not supposed to get passes.
He killed someone. Just like the girl who shot her boyfriend for a video by accident she got jail time for it. And she should have. Alec should as well. No sympathy he should have known better
Alec's Lawyer: "It's not Alec's fault, cause the newbie safety crew failed to verify the safety of the gun."
Union Lawyer: "But it's not their fault, cause our original safety crew walked out due to unsafe leadership from the production staff."
Alec's Lawyer: "So it's the producer's fault! And that person is...
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Ding ding ding!!!
Alec Baldwin was an executive producer. He was among those making decisions to cut corners and rush to get it done. That's ultimately what makes him responsible in this tragedy
Most actors become executive producers on their films or shows, it's often a meaningless title, given for financial reasons. They don't usually have much say or authority.
Most actors become executive producers on their films or shows, it's often a meaningless title, given for financial reasons. They don't usually have much say or authority.
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He had almost all of the authority and he very clearly brushed off every complaint because he wanted to save money.
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