NEW San Martin SN019 V's SN017 - Is THIS the new Homage KING!
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- In this video I show the differences between the NEW San Martin SN019 and the old San Martin SN017.
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My father used to say "don't pass up a good place to stop". I would say that applies to the Water Ghost V3 I recently received. At $180 on sale it seems to be an excellent example of value and quality.
This is the best comparison-of-watches channel I’ve seen. You include all the relevant information I would want to know, have good camera work, and don’t waste time. I hope your channel continues to grow and you can start comparing high end watches as well!
Thanks Nick
Mine “departed country of origin” yesterday, very excited
Did you receive it?
Thanks a lot for your exhaustive, clear-cut explanation. I have chosen the SNO17 V3 version
I like the movement upgrade options and the quick adjustments with the clasp. The tapering helps too.
it seems that San Martin are actually listening to their customers! I am glad that they decided to change their clasp. The on the fly adjustment was just what I was looking for!
two things that I dislike: 1) the cyclops with blue AR seems a bit out of place.. they should either do one with clear AR or just give the customers the option to remove it.
2) as others have already mentioned: I also prefer their "old" logo - the applied "SanMartin" which they used on their bronze watches would fit perfectly. The hexagonal logo is nice, but I feel like its clashing with the indecies a bit.
other than that, this watch looks pretty much perfect. I wouldn't mind spending this amount of money to be honest.
I couldn’t agree more. The new logo is cool but way too angular for all the round shapes found in the watch. Or maybe make the applied logo less chunky.
@@enriquesanders exactly! maybe the new logo looks better with baton style indecies.
The glide lock clasp and the Swiss movement on this San Martin SN019 is not a deal breaker for me, because personally I really like the clasp and NH35 movement on the old San Martin SN017 V3 Hulk that I already own, not to mention the clasp is a joy to operate!
the new bezel markers make it look less like a toy. I absolutely love them.
I will wait for their version of the new vintage inspired Omega Seamaster 300m 😉
Is it going to be a reality???
I want james bond version, but come with date window.
Did they have one before?
Me toooo
Any teaser pics knocking about like their new explorer 1016 homage?
After giving it some thought, I like the numbers in the white on the V3 bezel, as opposed to the platinum on the new V1 bezel, not to mention that the white numbers on the V3 would show up better under water for elapse time purposes when used for diving!
The combination of shininess of the ceramic bezel and the greyness of the numerals makes them disappear in anything but the brightest light. It's my one bugbear with the SN019.
Would like to see the Cronos sub up against the San Martin Water Ghost.
Compare that new one to your Steinhart. Pop it into Herman, make sure, this could be the one. Would they sell that glidelock clasp separate?
As the price goes up a little updating the dial would be nice. Reduce the logo size, lume it, and move it to the 12 position. Then put 'San Martin' under the logo.
Not sure how that would look, sounds great in theory but my guess is it would look quite cluttered. I'd go back to just the text.
I agree 100%, I did a photoshop rendering and it looks great.I would also add text (with color) and pick better character fonts (graphic designer here).
@@rioriggs3568 Coloured text on a black dial?
@@user-MFTI Just one of the lines... I really like the look of the Ocean One Vintage Red or like on Rolex GMT
@@rioriggs3568 OK I got you.
We also got original Gary with the white tee shirt instead of Polo Shirt Gary from the last video. I was beginning to worry LMFAO. 🤣🤣
Around this price point I would still prefer a Swiss made Steinhart Ocean One Vintage Red and Ocean One Vintage Military. At least they try to do something a little different. PT5000 is perhaps ok but I prefer to go ETA 2824-2 or SW 200 élaboré for that kind of money. San Martin are going nuts with the prices.
@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 Exactly, surely parts of those Steinharts are made in China but at the end of the day just enough is made by the Swiss to get it in writing on the bezel. All I’m saying is San Martin should offer something less generic and lower the crazy prices, especially with Pagani Design and other “brands” offering such bang for the buck.
Excelent comparison. Those are some welcome improvements. Now it finally looks like a refined product. Very tempting indeed. Too bad about the price hike though
Yep! It’s the clasp that gives this new version the appeal.
I noticed that you mostly pick watches with black dial. If you can mix it up a little that would be great.
I think it's because he does a lot of comparison videos.
It’s also better for resale value, easier to flip a black dial watch than any other.
Thanks Gary, you made my choice for me, I’m getting this one. They also announced a new Vintage Explorer homage as well, but still the cyclops doesn’t look quite right (maybe it’s better in hands) .. which is a shame really.
Love that new clasp, but not a fan of the new size. Much prefer the design of the subby in either a 39 or 40 mm.
Loved this video as I am on the fence between the two...Gary is cracking me up when he compares the old vs new and if it’s worth it...you can tell it is! Just say it man! Hahaha great and informative as well...cheers
I jus receive my V3 now i want this new 41mm version.. its gorgeous...
great video Gary! This may be the budget sub homage king but the Ginault ORII is still the ultimate sub homage king imo.
Brent, just took a look at the Ginault Ocean Rover 2. Beautiful watch, but holy cow! $1,499! I think you may be right about it being the best Sub homage, but bringing it up here against a $200-350 San Martin is a tad unfair 😁
well done gary,
what a funny and honest review.
I love your videos. San Martin's quality is to be considered to be really good,.but in the end it's your money that counts.
best regard, harald
I Buy the very first SM V1 sub homage thanks to You, it's been My fav. Watch since, i may get this V1 too.
It is very pretty. It's in my wish list, for now.
One thing to keep in mind, you can buy those milled glide lock clasps on aliexpress cheap. I put one on a eta2824 submariner homage i modded myself from parts i found on aliexpress. Watch turned out pretty damn good.
Just bought the sm00017 for £120 all in, appreciate there are better spec watches out there but didn't want to pay the money, more than happy 😊
its a shame they did not keep the shorter end links on the SN019 V1
Yes
Nice video my friend !! am at the link to buy it but in the photos the bracelet does not have a double safety clasp like the one you show, it says that it comes with the usual one from a somo clikc
The pace they develop these cases makes me wonder what “connections” do they have. Especially considering that there is an sw option. I have a strong suspicion that they or the factory supplying them has some side business as well.
they should offer this watch with a NH35 movement for 100 bucks less in my opinion!
I like that San Martin is not a fly-by-night operator and do make substantial watches even though they're homage watches. I prefer the SN017 but you couldn't go wrong with either. I have my first two San Martin on order, although they're not either of these. Once I've looked at them, chances are good that I'll pick up one of these two.
The sale price is $253 now with Aliexpress and Store coupons and Spend & Save. Is it worth it at $253? I believe it is.
2 years watching these watch shows. Yup it's my turn lol
Amazing review as usual. Love the watch but the dial is very generic for the price. They need to do something special... I'm waiting for San Martin to remove the upper triangle and replace it with that chunky logo. Top text : San Martin - Impervious & Continuous Bottom text : Sea Explorer (red or blue) - 200m / 666 ft - Hi beat automatic. Get a designer involved, don't just use the first character font you find! Also logo and text proportions are important. Back case engraving would also be nice.
And what about the precission (time keeping) of the NH35 vs PT5000? That's what we wanted to know, not just an unboxing.
I've been waiting for this one for a while now, pity it's been released at such a high price. Guess we'll see if temptation gets the better of me because I'll have to fork out even more to change that God awful logo. Looking forward to the full review mate, keep up the great work 👍
Which number-engravings on the ceramic bezel are More durable? Sn019 or sn017v3? Great Video, regards.
Man, I’m still torn if I want V2 (with the plain text) or the V3 (with the applied hex logo). I would have preferred applied San Martin text as they do on some of their other watches, but you can’t have it all.
Any advice on which to get? Waiting for their summer sale on June 21.
Yes, Price Would be a bit of a problem, around 225/250$ would be great
my V1 sub is fantastic....I don't know if I'll ever sell that thing. it's just perfect, I agree.
I do like that new bezel insert though.....I may have to pick one of those up and swap it over.
Doubt it will actually fit. Is the bezel any bigger on the sn019? Will finding replacment bezels be difficult i wonder?
@@Watches_Anonymous hmm. Good point. Phylida sells a "platinum filled" sub bezel that should fit.
Gary, any chance you can see if the new glidelock clasp fits the v3 sub? I’m perfectly happy with the NH35 but I’d love the new clasp. I can’t seem to get a clear answer from SM whether or not it would actually fit.
Okay I remember the Cronos sub homage with the PT5000 was for $200 with a PT5000 movement and free FedEx shipping on 11.11. So...no
I have the black v3 San Martin and I’m waiting for a v2 Cronos sub with a glidelock. I might get the hulk version this 11/11 if it’s on sale.
San Martin are getting greedy but I guess as long as they keep selling units the prices will keep rising. It's a shame but that's business.
@@Owen-np3wf so true. I don’t begrudge them raising prices within reason. But when Cronos can sell a sub homage with a PT5000 and similar enough finishing for 230 cad on sale I don’t get San Martin charging $425 for theirs. I’m sure it’s nice but I doubt it justifies doubling the price for a glidelock and slightly better finishing
@@altamushg yeah your right the price isn't justified imo. A nice watch it surely is but they are riding the notoriety they achieved for selling great watching at unbelievably low prices a little hard here. The cronos is a great comparison, I think cronos intend to low ball for that reason to be a direct competitor.
I just got the SN017 in November....should have waited a bit!🤷🏽♂️
Have read PT5000 is not as reliable and has a lot of failures compared to NH35. I’ll keep the NH35 thank you.
Great video !!
Can always order a separate oyster glidelock bracelet, compatible w/ pretty much any Sub/GMT/Daytona homage brand lug size
Did they fix the single digit date wheel issue?
The AR on the cyclops is an odd choice.
also looks like the bezel has been upgraded with a deeper engraving
On San Martin's Taobao store they are taking China domestic pre-orders for a 39mm Explorer 1016 homage, NH35, with SM's vintage calligraphy logo. I'd expect that to be on Aliexpress around June and will sell like hot cakes.
Any pics, I have been waiting for them to make that
I’ll definitely keep an eye out in June for that one. Thanks for the heads up!
If you google San Martin Explorer 1016 you should be able to find a reddit post with a render
Cheers found it. Think I will wait for them to make one with a newer dial
man, honestly.. paying over 150 euros for a homage watch.. I don't know.. I know it is technically good, but.. I would say max 200 no matter how good it is, because I still want some uniqueness and at 150++ there are starting a lot of other options that are not just copies and are actually good. As long as you get it for free for a review, ok.. But paying 280 euros for a copy watch is kidna ridiculous.
@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 who would buy this who would never heard of a sub? Buying it is a conscious decision to pay ~280 for a homage.. It could be made out of diamonds but it is still a homage with a shi**y Mercedes hand.
Hi Tomas, what more ridiculous than paying around £10,000.00 plus for an almost identical watch? Spec for spec the same but without the name Rolex on the dial... ok I'm sure the R movement is better but big deal. Both tell the time. Cheers.
@@andrei-cosmin.popa85 I am currently sitting with a Pagani PD1661 on my wrist. Love that thing! And nothing against Gary, he is awesome and I love his reviews.
@@Jonathan-dy7gq ridiculous is paying something, what you cant really afford. But there are people who can easily drop 10k on a watch like its nothing. And they will have more success getting what they payed back if they want then someone trying to sell their SM.
@@TomasWatchReviews yes Tomas but that's not my point. These watches are not for poor people... they are for people who have spotted the Rolex con. Virtually the same item, different badge, about 5% of the cost. You don't need your money back and why sell anyway?
It’s worth the extra price, especially when you pick up one of your kids and they don’t need to be rushed into the emergency room for stitches because the sharp clasp has gouged their leg!! Yep, pay for the smooth finishing, trust me
Right on. Love how solid and well built my pagani bracelets are, but have to switch to natos to not hurt my kids.
Great video Gary! Would you suggest them to do a no date version?
I just realised this watches price point is roughly about where zelos markets it's more standard divers like the swordfish. Please do a comparison or something on a swordfish Garry! Pleeeeeaaaaase 😁
San Martin are great watches, however, I wish they gave you the option of a date window, not a fan of the cyclops date function I would prefer it without a date window like their vintage diver.
Both nice. I have older Hulk version. In my (version of SN017), the edge of the bracelet and watch case is a bit too sharp, but otherwise looks beautiful. But it's the green version, so maybe the black one will be the newer one? ;)
Nice bracelet, nice ceramic bezel insert.
THAT CLASP! Yes Sir
Lug to lug sounds too big tbh, I've a 6,5" wrist. When looking at these homages a few weeks ago i was leaning a bit more to the Sugess and another one (i forget which but it had a PT5000 too).
Love the review however, price quality comparison - could it not be explained that the price is much higher due to the more expensive movement in the new watch? NH35 vs SW200, the latter a Swiss movement clone of the ETA2824-2, higher precision watch, in my perception an explainable increase of price for the quality that you get for it?
What do you think, is the better quality movement not justifying the increase of price?
If they release a green dial version then I’m sold.
I had a green SN017 in my cart, but eventually decided to buy a "Smurf" SN019 (PT5000) yesterday instead. It was actually $30 off when I added to checkout, thought the listing didn't say so; it cost me $311.54 after tax. I'd really have preferred a "Hulk", but I only intend to buy one Submariner homage, so the extra money over the SN017 was worth it to me based on this review. The SN017 is also discounted for $18 when I move it from the cart to checkout ($183.60), but as I said, I'm only buying one.
Excelent comparision! I got the SN017 v3 but it was a turn off right on the unboxing. The way too white bezel numbers, the dull bezel grip and the depth of the dial... All of this was too off for me... These alone was worth the higher price for the SN019 so I headed for one that is just about to arrive. I really didn't even care for the better movement. I could be happy with the NH35 so the PT5000 is a big bonus (I really don't think the SW200 is worth the plus. It's not that better, if better at all, compared with the PT).
PT5000 movement better than NH35 ?? I thought Japanese movement are better than pt5000. School me.
Did you like the sn019 more?
@@trut52 yep, far more!
Does this new model/ version have smooth edges on the case/bracelet. The version 2 , and I suspect version 3 had/have sharp edges that can be a little off putting . Smooth edges add to the comfort of the watch surely. I have read enough times that a lot of people also felt the same about the “ sharp “ edges of the watch . Does this mean San Martin are listening about this ongoing issue now ?. If they are that’s great news. The clasp change is also great news
Yes my v3 has razor sharp edges on the bottom of the lugs. The watch feels rock solid but well finished it ain’t. Same with links. They are very sharp.
Just sold mine v3 after 6 months. Every edge sharp as hell. Waste of money
@@Ktrb If I’m honest I very rarely wear my San Martin water ghost V3 due to the sharp edges on the bracelet & case finishing. My regular wearers are my beautiful Squale 1545 20Atmos & 30atmos models. They are great homages to Rolex subs & GMT’s , they are Swiss made & cost more than San Martin watches …. but hey, they are great looking & well made with no sharp edges & great finishing, you should check them out .. they are available from Gnomon Watches an AD out of Singapore… with free worldwide shipping
Have you checked to see if the new clasp fits the old bracelet? I prefer the brushed sides of the previous bracelet. I love these comparison videos Gary, great work! Still struggling to see where the extra £90 has gone. I guess I’m just not as fussed about movements as I should be. Though I’m sure that’ll change when I eventually cave and buy myself a watch with a PT5000 movement.
UPDATE: Took me 5 days from this comment to buy a watch with a PT5000 movement hahaha
Hi Gary ! Thanks for this great vidéo !
I know you had one so i'll ask: in your opinion, is the new SanMartin better than an Steinart ocean one 42 ceramic??
Thanks again
Maybe your's was a 39... But still
Hiya, I did compare the ocean 1 39mm to the original SM and the SM build quality was better, the Steinharts have better movements but yes, imo the SM was better...Steinharts are Swiss made, have better rep but if quality is your thing then SM.....
I would like the SN017 at its present price, with the SN019 clasp, please.
Hope they make a v4 with a glidelock clasp
A stuck between choosing the new sn019 or the red n blue with the cyclops GMT.. 🤦♂️
Plz do the unboxing video.
$5 off UNBELIEVABLE. Thanks Gary, great job again. A vid on clasps would be appreciated.
late to this but the triangle at 12pm is better proportioned too and yes do prefer the new version but i do love me subbie homages fullstop
I loved this comparison - Thank you so much Gary😊
I already have several sub homages at the $200 level and I am looking for better quality so I will definitely be getting one of these when they go on sale mid summer.
Is that a hairbrush to your right? Is it for your beard? You're not that far ahead of me. Am planning to buzz down 1/4" if my hair gets any thinner. The watch, right. Have been hearing of some bad experiences related to the quality control of San Martin. I get the feeling it's sort of crapshoot buying Chinese watches from Ali Express and replacement of a dud. Yes, it's a pretty watch. Looks great and I know you've seen many great watches. How well do they QC fix problems? Hassle or no hassle?
The Cyclops and the date is disaster also the AR coating!!!
Hi dear friend let me know when your SN019 is up for grabs.😉
great review love the clasp its version 2 for me but thats down to price
hi gary thickness did you get on the new one?? I get 12.7mm on my V3 but I will prob order the SN019 eventually. The 4mm links on the V3 are overkill and while a very comfy watch, throughout the day it does go a touch sweatier than on Pagani homages with 3mm links, and I put that down to the links not the clasp. The clasp is excellent but I wear my watches looser and further down my wrist than you (closer to my hand)
Hi Gary. The watch is in my basket and I'm itching to push the button. Any chance a review video will be out before the sale finishes? Really value your opinion 👍
Sorry Simon... unlikely...
@@ilikewatches No problem. I'm sure it will be worth the wait!
Glidelock addition would maintain the value proposition over the old one. It will be interesting to see where the next Cronos update goes as I think they're offering the same movements in the sub at quite a bit less money now than SM?
Hi Gary, do you have an idea when the full review coming?
Nice! Add these improvements to a v4, and my v3 will be on eBay in .0000002 seconds.
The main difference with these watches and the SN084 is just case dimensions right?
I do not think it matters whether it's Swiss or Chwiss. If it gives you what you want then who cares? Only you. A Steinhart/Glycine et al are all still homages. If it is made well and looks good, I do not have a problem paying for that, regardless of where it came from.
Ok have this watch now, 4 things. I could go on but will stop here....
1. About those end links, they need to turn them down alot more. This 21mm lugged, non-maxi case, already makes the watch look longer as it is. So the frankly ridiculously large end link to end link measurement doesnt help with this.
2. My watch's bezel action is very weird feeling, seems like there is a rubber o-ring resisting the movement, especially between the 12 and 2 O'clock position.
3. On first operation the second hand didnt hack. Hmm, worrying and I've now not much confidence in the PT5K movement there. Also very difficult to find the date set position. (Which might be why it didnt hack)
4.the braclet although well rounded off for once, displayed several issues when resizing. The pins seemed different lengths and would stick proud in places. Also i couldnt remove one of the links and had to use a push pin removal tool to free it. Other than that. Good for the money, i think. Like the glide adjustment. But those end links... Just making the watch look ugly when this could be easily avoided.
great feedback for when I do my review! thanks!
Hey there, great video , it's helping me alot decide V3 Vs 019--- will there be a follow up of the sn019 and also is ginault something than can go up against the San Martin sno19? What is better
follow up video coming soon......ginault is out of my price range sadly...
@@ilikewatches can't wait for follow up vid. Difficult choice to make over which movement to pick
The new bezel is now color muted in the opposite extreme IMO, just received mine today. Also, unscrewimg the crow at first I could not get the watch to go into seconds hacking/time setting mode. There is also wobble on the crown that is not present on my ghost v3. There are things I like about the new version but I'm afraid the quality control at least on mine is not up to my experience with my V3.
I was thinking about one of them, but can't decide. Feels like I would get buyers remorse for both but for different reasons.
Maybe best to pick option 3 and go for Cronos 1000m diver.
Honest thoughts about a really good homage watches brand,and of course i agree for the sweet spot 200$ especially if you dont sale your watches.With all those good reviews prices goes realy high lol.Cheers
it probably isnt worth the extra, but nice glide style lock. Is it signficantly lighter? The problem is the bracelet thickness to me on the V3
for a submarine homage, have you ever tried the BAPEX Type 1 (2021) which was released last year?
£1500….a little out my price range…is it any good?
@@ilikewatches yea, I asked bcoz I own 1 BAPEX & an SN019 San Martin. The original equipment manufacturer behind BAPEX is Fossil. From my point of view, this BAPEX line could be considered as a good piece to collect which has a nice looking with a bit more luxury feel. I will not include the packaging here, not only focus on the piece. The QC is good too. As I have checked, there will be nothing like a bezel misaligned or strap issue. BAPE branding heritage is more about streetwear than a watch brand but It's good enough to be considered. About the price, erm, it depends on when and where you got your BAPEX. There are many on Stock X which are around 500$-600$.
This watch showed up to my house a few days ago. I ordered mine with the SW200 and there's definitely a difference between it and the PT5000. Now, on another note, all of my San Martin divers, the bezel insert isn't lined up, this watch, the BB58, and my retro diver, I also have their Datejust and the cyclops is way out of alignment. I'm really kind of disappointed with them.
Hello there! Have you tried the axios ironclad subby like watch? I have one of those and I would like to know how the better san martin compares? Axios has the crazy c3x1 lume and 500m and antiscratch coat. For 500 bucks. Is the iron clad much better than san martin or is closing in? I ordered the sm 40mm version to use as a beater watch. Cheers! And thank you for the reviews. Nevermind I just saw is a 21mm lug i pass. No strap monster. Good for deskdiver not real diver.
Really like the SN019G, unfortunately every time I look for it seems to get more expensive approximately 350 euro now with all discounts included which is pretty hefty for a AliExpress homage, thx for the video 👍
Can buy a swiss made watch for the price of this watch.
When are you going to pickup the SN015-G GMT? It actually has a bi-directional, 24 click bezel and a jubilee bracelet.
Can get a combat sub for that price. Is this a better watch?
They rly made it look even more like a rolex sub.
The bezel print is now not white but a more platinum look.
And the clasp looks just like the original. Nice glide lock.
But one thing they still have not fixed. The yellowish indices. And I have no idea why.
Been contemplating over this vs their tudor homage bb58...i do have their sn004 vintage diver...thoughts Gary?
The watch has little to complain, except San Martin might be pushing to hard for an AliExpress watch your only warranty is via chat, minor problems are miles away to be solved and major problems in future as parts are uncertain and resale value in time... Dunno. Just thoughts.
How does it compare to the Steinhart Ocean One?