The Queens response to Charles after he made his off script speech in Wales was the most memorable moment of the whole show to me. "I have a voice, mommy" "Let me let you on to a secret. No one wants to hear it. No one."
@@TetraDax Yeah, not many people I've talked to have made that connection. Elizabeth got so upset because it was a reminder of her talk with Queen Mary when she had to kill a piece of herself, her voice, in service to the Crown. And it's in this scene, that Charles comes to the realization that he too must do the same.
@@gloomysunday8242 no but she’s not. Her struggles were no less valid then anybody else’s. Have you heard the phrase “Other people’s struggles don’t make yours any less valid.” Also she harnessed this her struggles allowed her to emphasise with many others who were also struggling particularly people who felt alienated. Plus she was a kind person despite all that she went through. She’s not a brat the Queen is just insensitive!
@@emmaherron5121 The queen had no business fixing their marriage. They were grown people, they should've worked this out by themselves. In the end, it was Charles that chose Diana, not the queen.
Love this scene. The Queen is correct in that both are privileged and self-absorbed to the point that they cannot see past their own suffering in the name of duty and “the crown”. In the earlier seasons, we saw the many struggles and sacrifices of Elizabeth and Phillip that allowed their marriage to persevere. The Queen believes that because they toughed it out, so can Charles. And to some extent, Charles could’ve tried harder; it seems he barely did. That being said, he is not Phillip and Diana not Elizabeth. It’s all a fundamental misunderstanding and misalignment of values. Kind of like how Phillip thought the boarding school would help Charles become stronger and more of a “man” like it made him, but it just beat his son down and weakened him further.
Later in his life Charles said that Gordonstoun was a character- building experience. It certainly made Charles physically stronger and better able to cope with adversity when rubbing shoulders with others. He would never have survived his gap year (that he claimed to love) in Australia if he had not experienced the emphasis on physical fitness at Gordonstoun.
I love how the queen was on neither side. She called him out and put him in his place. She also called Diana too. Unfortunately for Charles, it doesn’t matter in the end. He may have ended up with Camilla but at what cost?The physical and mental death of another person? Not to mention he is definitely not the popular royal anymore after Diana told the public everything. Like they’ve said..... the crown always wins. Edit: first off, Rest In Peace Queen Elizabeth:( Second off, WHEN DID THIS GET 1K???
I think the monarchy may lose bcos of Charles. Diana kept Australia from being a republic and so did the queen and william. But Australia leaving the commonwealth will be inevitable not only bcos Charles will be king but bcos Camilla will be Queen. Thats why the queen won't step down
@@LA-bq6hf the Queen will never step down and not because of what others may or may not do. She see’s being Monarch as her sacred duty and it is not something she would ever walk away from. The Queen has devoted herself to the Crown for most of her very long life, she won’t relinquish that now. In one thousand years the Crown has only been given up willingly once. Being the ruling Monarch of the UK is not like being President or Prime Minster, it’s isn’t something one steps down from. C
@@NarnianHogwart yes, but no other british monarch has even been as old as her or even reach 90yrs old for that matter. The queen is mindful of her age and with the prince philip stepping down, its very plausible that she will follow soon. The queen may look strong but her duties are difficult as well. She has even already offloaded a number of her duties to Charles. It doesn't make you weak or less sacred when you abdicate, it shows that you respect to always do whats best for the monarchy.
What makes this scene so effective, aside from the acting and writing which is superb, is that Elizabeth says to Charles exactly what anyone during that era would've told him had they the chance to do so.
"They know that, thanks to you, she has psychological problems and eats or doesn't ea- whatever it is she does or doesn't do" I just love how they depict that, even though she didn't understand what Diana was going through, she could still understand that it was something that came from a place of pain
She doesn't empathize with Diana, she just dispassionately cites the eating disorder as a symptom of Charles' abuse. For all the Windsors cared she could have rotted behind cold doors as long as she was the perfect princess outside.
@@Fry09294 the Queen and Prince Phillip wrote to Diana many times saying they disapprove of Charles behaviour. Diana even said the Queen was supportive
@@Iconicdollltv that's ambiguous. There have been conflicting statements issued over the years that Camilla would either be known as "Princess Consort" or as "Queen Consort" when Charles eventually ascends to the throne.
@@MsPrecious61 uhh, what he wanted was to marry Camilla from the start… the Queen forced him to marry Diana.. I can assure you, none of that fiasco is what Charles wanted..
You can SOO sense the disgust and contempt when she mentions him being an unfaithful husband. She knows how much harder it was for Phillips to live in her shadow and yet, never stray
@@keldonmcfarland2969 If he did, at least he was discreet about it. There are no tapes where he's talking to some woman, telling her how he wants to be her tampon. If Charles had not been born into the position he was, he would have been a 40+ year old incel.
I'm so glad she told him off! He said he's tried his "best" but did nothing but continuously chase after Camilla and degrade Diana whenever he had the chance. Then, he also accuses her of being a terrible wife for doing the things that he himself is doing exactly. He took no opportunity to actually try to understand her, and even if he couldn't, instead of appreciating what Diana was trying to do for him, he talked shit about her to both Camilla and his sister. Regardless if Camilla stayed in the picture or not, it's very clear that in at least this version of their lives, Charles's true love is himself. He wants a wife that showers him in praise and let's him shine in the spot light, not the other way around.
In the context of the show (since we'll never know the whole truth about both marriages), Elizabeth is perfectly able to understand Charles' point of view about struggling in a marriage. But where she tried and tried over again, and where Philip and her found a way to work through their differences, she sees two whiny babies not making the effort to do the same. Two whiny babies who will inherit her throne one day. Of course she's reacting this way and it all makes sense, and to me, the storylines that the show shows are perfectly chosen. Elizabeth and Philip's struggles in their marriages serve to feed this storyline as well and to understand the Queen's point of view of it as well. Now, we've also seen Diana make efforts to meet Charles halfway where he's never done the same, and that's where reality sinks in. As much as I can understand Charles wanting to stand up for himself and keeping his love for Camilla as a constant in his life through and through, it came at several costs, and the show shows that particularly. There is nothing wrong with being selfish, especially with your own heart. But selfish to the point of hurting others is where the problem starts. As I see it on the show at least, Camilla is selfish too, but she's never selfish to the point of hurting her husband or her family. She's never selfish to the point of asking anything of Charles. And that's where Charles does not make a suitable King, because yes, in this matter, he put his own selfish wants over the common good, not only of the country and the family's name, but his duty as a King too. It's really just like Philip, how he almost destroyed his own marriage by "not bending" (as the Queen mother said). But he did, in the end, because he understood. The season ends with Diana understanding too, but we all know Charles will never understand.
This comment is so ridiculous considering Charles wanted to marry Camilla from the start but was prevented by the Queen who forced him to marry Diana. What if that happened to you? Why should he have tried so hard with someone he never wanted to marry to begin with? He deserved to marry who he loved, just like everyone else. People should place blame where it belongs, which is on the queen, not Charles. If anything he has loved one woman his entire life and been faithful to her.
@@MARYWTHER Elizabeth and Philip were able to make it work in spite of all their obstacles because they genuinely loved each other. Charles and Diana never loved each other and he never wanted to marry her in the first place.
'Might I request we do it like privy counsellors? On our feet to keep it brief' Clear influence from Churchill on Elizabeth there (from season one, episode three): 'The precedent set by your great-great-grandmother was to keep us standing like privy counsellors. To waste time is grievous sin. If there is one thing I have learned in 52 years of public service, it is that there is no problem so complex, nor crisis so grave, that it can not be satisfactorily resolved within twenty minutes'
The queen said exactly my sentiments about Charles’ behavior towards Diana. If he expects to be King, he must be ready to do the hardwork. That saying with full awareness that marrying someone you don’t genuinely love is painful, but I guess it comes with the territory. The queen’s apathy towards their marital problems mirrors her attitude towards the monarchy-duty above all. Perhaps, Charles has forgotten about this and frankly was being kind of selfish, and self-indulgent. Absolutely love this series! I know it’s fictional but hard to refuse it’s not based on some facts.
@@jellyfishi_ i totally understand the anguishness and emptiness poor diana was facing and what the at most brutal part is that u can't get rid of this predicament, divorce is not an option for them I think Islam is far advance than them it has open doors for both men and women to escape out of an unhappy marriage rather dragging it and leading to self destruction
I don't think it was apathy at all. I think, like we see in the clip, she was fed up with their childishness. They had everything they could want in life and yet still weren't happy. That was on them, and no one else. Lots of people have very hard and bad lives and yet still manage to find joy and aren't running to the reporters to moan and complain.
Now we know why Elizabeth refuses to die. Good lord, I can’t even imagine what will happen to England after she dies and Charles becomes king. England, you have this Yank’s sincerest sympathies.
I asked all please read this to the end, and understand I’m going by the series version of events. With regards to Charles I don’t have sympathy for her. Yes Charles is his own man and he hast to take responsibility for his shortcomings. But some of this chaos could’ve been avoided if she had treated him as a son first and the Prince of Wales second. The reprimand she gave him for his speech and Wales was 100% uncalled for. And I personally feel she did it because she was partially jealous that he had the guts to do it. When you compare the speech he made at Wales to the speech she gave in the subsequent episode in France, really what he said was not that bad, and by no means a controversy. It was like she was obsessed with making him her carbon copy rather than respect that he had to figure out what kind of king he was going to be for himself. She also should’ve just left well enough alone Especially when he started dating Camila. If they were all convinced that it was going nowhere with Camilla then they should’ve just let the drama play out. That wouldn’t have been 2/3 the disaster of pushing him into a loveless marriage where he made the Earl of Snowdon look like a flowering Virgin. In season three it felt like she had become so committed to duty and image that she forgot the most important thing about parenting. You need to give your children the freedom to make mistakes, for how else can they learn to navigate the waters of adulthood. Now Charles loses my sympathy when he becomes a cheating husband, and I agreed with a lot of what the queen said except What she said when he (Charles) said he wanted to divorce. Charles and Diana were both grotesquely unhappy and it was a cruelty to force them to stay together. And after What happened with Princess Margaret the royal elders should’ve known better. OK rant over.
@@ronniedodge3299 If anything I think Charles understands the burden that the crown can be, I don’t think he has any intention of passing that on to Will and Kate. And to be perfectly frank I have a gut feeling that they don’t want it while their children are so young. And if you’re still disgusted with the idea of him becoming king just compare him to Andrew. Trust me it won’t be that bad.
what would make it even better is if it wasn't just fiction! I hope at some point the Queen actually did this! But, as it was said before in the series, not everyone has the fortitude of someone like Queen E. Not everyone can put aside their own desires for the sake of duty.
It was my favourite scene because the Queen just summed up exactly what I think about their drama 🤭. And though I have a big soft spot for Diana, she made her mistakes too.
It's impossible to make a marriage work when your husband loves another woman and carries on an affair with her throughout your marriage to him. Regardless of Diana's own faults, Charles doomed that marriage to failure from the start.
The Queen knows exactly what she is talking about here, even if it's fiction. Her grandmother was in love with King George's brother, who died and so she married George. Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip experienced marriage difficulties themselves and worked together to move away from those issues and thrive in their marriage. His great great grandfather Edward VII, whom he saw himself in because of his affair with Camilla's great grandmother, took many mistresses but respected Alexandria, even if he didn't love her. He kept her away from the scrutiny of his mother Queen Victoria, they threw parties and rode together and he gave her so much credit for taking on public duties, unlike Charles who was jealous of Diana. Entering reality, Charles refused to meet Diana halfway and never gave up Camilla. A good king would learn to make sacrifices for the Crown. If that's not fair, he should've been wise enough to know that Camilla loved Andrew, otherwise she would've given Andrew up and said that to him. Remember what Camilla said, she only went to Charles now that Andrew doesn't need her. He refused to see Diana for the talented women and brilliant mother that she was, didn't learn to love her. He has Camilla now, but at what cost? More than half of the public will always remind him of Diana; the terrible ones will troll him forever. This show will make the new generation aware of what he did, some will feed into the dramatization of his life and hate him even more. Even as king, not everyone will love or accept him. It's sad because Prince Harry himself once said no royal wants to be king or queen. However, because of his father's mistakes, William and Kate may be faced with great responsibilities sooner than they think due to public demand.
That is so correct I think the people would demand Charles to no step as king there’s still two more seasons this show will continue up till 2025 if anything and by that time many people would know better and hate him even more. I do expect the queen to outlive Charles or that at least she makes him aware before dying that he’s not got and should sing and abdication and give the Throne to William
@@eddyalvarez8351 I don't think they're going to make him abdicate because it's a hefty legal proceeding. They could find a reason to but Charles doesn't have a lot of years left in him to really make it worth it. Nonetheless, we will go down in history as a truly unpopular king.
Season 3 makes me extremely hurt and empathic towards him, Season 4 makes me extremely angry and apathetic towards him. Nevertheless I completely agree.
I love the queen reaction. And if you think Charles ever "suffering", his entire life is so good. Never hungry, never losing job, never wearing fast fashion clothing and never risk his life. Thanks for being "Royal." Meanwhile other royal like Tsar family are killed, mutilated, burned. Others are banished. He does complain unnecessary.
I profoundly disagree. Sure, having money is useful, but once you have enough money to be financially secure (i.e. are able to meet your needs and have the freedom to make choices as to what to do with your life) more on top of that doesn't really increase your quality of life. Many people inherit that level of wealth _without_ the level the lifetime of public pressure and scrutiny the royals live under, or having to be married to somebody they do not like. And sure, the royals aren't in danger of being assassinated (although it's still a possibility as it is for any public figure, like what happened to Kennedy and John Lennon)...but is that really the bar?!?! 'You aren't dead, so smile?' Given a choice between being a royal and just being comfortably well-off, I would choose the latter.
He , like any man can feel unhappy and unfulfilled in his relationships. However to pin it as suffering ignores all the privileges he has. As the Queen says, it's all relative. Charles made his failing marriage public, something an institution like the Crown can ill affordm
amazing crescendo. wonderfully written and even more wonderfully acted. What a blessing Olivia Colman is. And so is Josh O'Connor, so young and yet so mature in his profession.
Never understood this constant whining from Charles. 'Oh, I'm married to a stunningly beautiful young blonde, I live in a castle, I have an army of servants at my beck and call, I'm filthy rich, and I'm first in line to be king of one of the oldest, wealthiest, and best respected monarchies in the world. OH POOR ME, MY LIFE IS SOOOOOO HARD!!' ... give me a fucking break, seriously.
Shhh Hazel, he is really SUFFERING you know.... We the peasants are all completely fine, but Charles is really suffering, so give him a bit of sympathy will ya 😆
Money takes away many problems, but it doesn't automatically get rid of all of your problems of all kinds forever. Rich people can still be legitimately unhappy in marriages, especially considering the fact that the spotlight is on them and it's not as simple as just getting a divorce.
Olivia and Josh have amazing chemistry as mother and son. I hope they work together again in the future. I’m really interested in seeing Imeulda and Dominic’s version, I wonder if they will have the same spark.
"... she has psychological problems and eats or doesn't it or whatever it is she does or doesn't do!" - when your grandma tries to explane bulimia... so adorably ignorant and unsensitive. 🤦🏼♂️
As a person who used to be bulimic (recovered 3 years now) this is exactly what I imagined my grandmother to say. They don’t really understand it. I’m lucky that my grandma had the patience to listen to me try to explain it best I could
The older generations don't understand mental health disorders after tons of explanation, the only thing they say about a person battling mental health issues is that he/she is mad 🙄..I've stopped putting my efforts and energy to explain things to the older generation coz they can't change their views now..instead we can work on educating impressionable young minds 😃
She might not have a therapist's grasp of bulimia, but she knows that it is psychological in nature, and blames Charles's disgusting behavior for contributing to Diana's issues. It might be clumsily phrased, but it a lot more supportive than it is insensitive.
This was the scene of the series for me. I really hated this season. It felt like we spent three seasons watching a strong Queen grow and spent this season watching a weak future King unravel
@@miaveranika30 totally but much like how we spent time with Elizabeth contemplating the hard personal decisions and how it would affect the crown there's no part of this from Charles and what he's thinking as far as what this will do to the monarchy. I'm sure he must have felt some strong feeling that he wasn't going to do damage by divorcing?
@@seleleota I think we’ll find that in the next two seasons Prince Charles will morph into the man he is now. We have to remember this was over 30 years ago. He’s had a tremendous amount of growth, and The Queen has spent the last 30 years showing him what a Sovereign needs to be. Despite his previous indiscretions he’ll be a good King, although not nearly as good a Monarch as The Queen has been. He’ll have a relatively short reign and The Crown will pass to The Duke of Cambridge who will be an excellent King, and so on. With the exception of The Duke of Windsor, The Windsor’s have always been good at the top job.
Omg yes I’ve watched this scene at least 7/8 times and the first few times i was angry because of how much I love Diana and wish she could haven gotten a way from Charles ASAP but I completely understand the Queens point Charles (and Diana) has been given a life full of luxury and could have mostly anything we wanted. But instead he chooses to dwell on the 1 thing he can’t have.
The Queen: "Might I suggest you start to behave like a King!" Charles: "Ok!" *Divorces Diana, beheads Camilla, then creates an entire splinter church just to support his divorce*
elizabeth quoting churchil with all the chilliness of an ancient institution when she says she and her troubled son should talk “like privy counsellors, to keep it brief”, and being simultaneously on point with her analysis of charles and bafflingly unaware of her own role in him turning out like this. layers and layers of trauma and conditioning elizabeth had to undergo to become what she is in this scene, they’re portrayed with such subtlety
Charles (as presented in the show) is a narcissist, plain and simple. Watch his scenes, at no point does he ever talk about anything other than what he wants, his needs, his vision, his voice.
She never wanted to be queen but took the position seriously and had no patience for people that didn't. She knew how privileged she was in spite of the responsibilities. Too bad she couldn't manage to instill that in her heirs.
I really hope she told him off like this irl and its not just TV drama. Cause this spot on. And tbh to some extent describes his youngest son. A spoilt, immature man endlessly complaining unnecessarily. Yeah that sums his ginger offspring up as well.
Even if I feel that the Queen was being really unfair to Diana here (I mean Diana, she really tried to make this marriage works several times unlike Charles), I was so happy that this little brat of a prince was finally being called out for his actions and temper. Charles was a cheater, a selfish and a cold hearted man with no empathy for his wife. That's where the Queen knew that her son doesn't have what it needs to be King. He is not strong enough. The sense of sacrifice...
@@mgeek1 Granted but Charles gave her absolutely nothing and often made her feel like utter shit. She was a great mother to their sons and it didn't even matter to Charles. He emotionally abused her and verbally tortured her. There are many men who don't love and/or stop loving their wives but with the vast majority of blokes in this situation, there will always be a vestige of affection and care towards her because she is still the mother of your children. But Charles is such a bastard, he wouldn't even treat her with any level of respect. When she raises the topic of their children as a potential common bond or at the very least the basis for a minimum mutual respect, he viciously dismisses that as a reason to treat her with any kindness. Not only is he callous and spiteful towards her, he is so petty and destructive that he is more than willing to tear her down in front of others. He implied in front of both their staffs that she was so psychologically unfit and damaged that she wouldn't be able to carry out her duties leaving her wracked with self doubt, a crippling lack of self confidence and huge anxiety attacks. Afterwards, when her solo trip was a success & she seeks validation and a bit of praise for not letting the institution of the monarchy, i.e., his family, down & upholding its reputation despite concerns over her ability & mental state before she left, he lashes out at her because he feels resentment and envy over her popularity with the public. Charles was a proper bastard.
@@mgeek1 No one is perfect, but I think people forget that she was only 19 when she got engaged to Charles. A teenager. A teenager with little to no life experience shouldn't be expected to be able to navigate this insane situation perfectly. Intentions do matter. Diana tried and Charles didn't. Pull any girl who hasn't even been graduated from high school for a full year and they wouldn't handle it well either.
That's the difference between Elizabeth and Charles: Elizabeth understood her duty and her role, and she managed to put aside her self-interest in service of the crown. Even to a fault. That same duty also meant she turned out a terrible mother. Charles, on the other hand, has absolutely no sense of duty or self-sacrifice. All he ever thinks about is his ideal fantasy world, and he acts like an angsty spoiled brat when he gets anything less than that. He has no concept of responsibility. He thinks the world should bend to meet his needs. And even though Elizabeth may have been a terrible mother, I shudder to think of what Charles will be like if he ever becomes king. Let's hope he goes before his mom so the crown can pass to William. EDIT: Dang, this comment aged well, didn't it?
By today's standards she is a bad mother but by the standards of the time she raised them in she was fine. It's hard to raise a child for a future you don't see yet. She took the throne in 52. Britain was still the most powerful empire on the planet. That would change in 56 when the united states would take control. It was a different world.
@@silencemeviolateme6076 In 52 I'm pretty sure the United States was already the most powerful country on Earth. I would say this position was already established before WWII. The US had naval parity with the British Empire prior to WWII and the largest economy in the world by 1900.
@@minutemansam1214 1956 is seen as the year US dominance began. The UK France and Israel attacked Egypt to take control of the Suez canal. The US told them to stop. They stopped. At the beginning of WWII the UK was unquestionably the leading global power. Their king was still emperor of India. Hong Kong was theirs. Palestine was theirs. Congo was theirs. The war was their death knell. In 1947 they lost Palestine and India. With the Suez crisis of 1956 they lost Egypt as a puppet state and control of oil shipments. In 1960 they would lose the congo. And as far as largest economy that doesn't mean much. Gdp per capita is a much better metric. When china equals the US that still means the US makes three to four dollars more per person. The US will still be the stronger economy.
I mean, if he turned out spoiled and immature with no moral compass whatsoever, it's not solely his fault. Andrew is exactly like that. These people were raised by nannies. Some self-reflection is in order in this family. (I just adore Olivia Colman in this scene 😍)
Do you actually believe that people are the product of their upbringing? I think that life is a lot more complicated. Of course upbringing has an essential part but people do have personality, willpower, do make decisions. You cannot say with a straight face that every single thing you do in life is because of the influence of your mother or father or the lack of it.
2 out of 4 turned out pretty bad- but Edward has stayed faithful to one woman and donates to the arts since that's his passion, and Anne has always put in a lot of work doing engagements, competing in the olympics, etc. Still privileged people, but it's what you do with it that defines you.
He grows to adulthood and has no idea of his role and a life that is of necessity devoted to duty. Her “-and not let the side down-“ sums it up perfectly.
I don't know if the real Charles is like what was portrayed on the show, but if he is... oh boy. He is a dull, boring, needy, spoiled man who loves playing the victim. And those qualities are not what people look for in a king or in any type of leader. Diana was also needy, clingy and played the victim, but, on the other hand, she was charismatic, original, took risks and connected with people. And in her later years she was very confident. She would've made an amazing queen, for sure.
Yes, good speech. But if she had done that earlier, be a better mother, none of that suffering would have occurred. Never underestimate the power of parents to ruin their children's life.
They did have a happy marriage though. They had their differences, but they met each other halfway made it work. That’s a quality not many married people have anymore.
1:01 And here we get a reminder that "The Crown" is more narrative drama than documentary. "They know that you betray your wife and make no attempts to hide it. They know that thanks to you, she has psychological problems, and eats or doesn’t eat or whatever it is she does or doesn’t do." I'll bet money that Queen Elizabeth, sick and tired of hearing about Charles and Diana's marital problems, DID actually scold him at some point around this era. I'll bet she chided him for being spoiled, privileged, and complaining. Yet, I have serious doubts she actually called out his adultery or his gaslighting. For as much progressive change as has occurred during Elizabeth's reign, remember that she is a conservative woman raised during a conservative era where women were told to excuse men's "dalliances." Even more so, she was brought up in a time where mental health issues were seen as personal weaknesses, not traumas inflicted by others. While I buy the latter comments made in this monologue, these first two sentences are made up to play to the attitudes of a 21st century audience desperate to hear the condemnation of 20th century toxic norms. An audience self-inserted smack down that seems almost like an anachronism in this context.
In that same conservative era though, for the "dalliances" to be so widely known was considered shameful. One was expected to be discreet so as to avoid scandal. Charles's lack of discretion was bringing shame upon the House of Windsor, and even the oldschool attitudes would have been disgusted and angry with him for that.
This was pretty much my favourite scene. Love how the queen lectures Charles, it‘s just beautiful. I sincerely hope she outlives him, he‘d be a great disgrace for the UK!
Olivia Colman is tremendous. She's as good in these serious historical roles as she was in Bruiser and the Mitchell and Webb sketch comedy. I wish "Sasha Solomon" could have interviewed Olivia Colman.
I think it’s more likely that Phillip had this confrontation with Charles. Phillip begged Diana not to divorce Charles and actually took her side in many moments.
It's well documented that the late Queen hated rows, arguments, conflicts,complaining and confrontations and did her best to stay out of the way of them But but but but but!!!!! Once she did it was look out First it was twisting her ring 2nd it was a how nice for you And if you were stupid enough to get to the 3rd it was an icy glare At that point it was go time but in private
If this conversation really happened in life, the Queen was spot on. Both Charles and Diana were very immature and the both complained about their lot in life which was pathetic. Lots of people have unhappy marriages but in their positions, they would have been better off unofficially separating but still remaining married. Had they done that, Diana would still be alive today.
This scene show how cold hearted Elizabeth (the character) is. She was thought from a young age to put the Crown first, on the bright side of it, she was stronger than ever.
She was like “I can’t let the crown fall on this brat’s head”
Still does make sure of it...
Let hope she out lives home for William to succeed.
Whispers to the Queen while she is sleeping: "Give the Crown to Anne....."
@@AnnaJo2000 I actually support this idea.
Same she would have made a good queen
"Betray your wife, and make no attempt to hide it" - Very well said
The Queens response to Charles after he made his off script speech in Wales was the most memorable moment of the whole show to me. "I have a voice, mommy" "Let me let you on to a secret. No one wants to hear it. No one."
I was actually sympathetic for Charles in that instant.
Not 'mommy':'mummy'.
That scene was actually repeating a lot of the lines that Queen Mary told her in Season 1. Episode 4, I think?
@@TetraDax Yeah, not many people I've talked to have made that connection. Elizabeth got so upset because it was a reminder of her talk with Queen Mary when she had to kill a piece of herself, her voice, in service to the Crown. And it's in this scene, that Charles comes to the realization that he too must do the same.
That was the single most abusive thing uttered to anyone on this show. Charles became a shithead but that Wales episode really broke my heart for him.
40 years of media drama sumarized in one brilliant phrase, 2 rich spoiled inmature kids endlessly complainting innecesarily
You calling Diana a brat!
@@emmaherron5121 She should not be sanctified
@@gloomysunday8242 no but she’s not. Her struggles were no less valid then anybody else’s. Have you heard the phrase “Other people’s struggles don’t make yours any less valid.” Also she harnessed this her struggles allowed her to emphasise with many others who were also struggling particularly people who felt alienated. Plus she was a kind person despite all that she went through. She’s not a brat the Queen is just insensitive!
@@emmaherron5121 The queen had no business fixing their marriage. They were grown people, they should've worked this out by themselves.
In the end, it was Charles that chose Diana, not the queen.
@@emmaherron5121 I love Diana to bits but she was quite spoiled too, doesn’t excuse Charles in any way though.
Love this scene. The Queen is correct in that both are privileged and self-absorbed to the point that they cannot see past their own suffering in the name of duty and “the crown”. In the earlier seasons, we saw the many struggles and sacrifices of Elizabeth and Phillip that allowed their marriage to persevere. The Queen believes that because they toughed it out, so can Charles. And to some extent, Charles could’ve tried harder; it seems he barely did. That being said, he is not Phillip and Diana not Elizabeth. It’s all a fundamental misunderstanding and misalignment of values. Kind of like how Phillip thought the boarding school would help Charles become stronger and more of a “man” like it made him, but it just beat his son down and weakened him further.
Later in his life Charles said that
Gordonstoun was a character-
building experience. It certainly
made Charles physically stronger
and better able to cope with
adversity when rubbing shoulders
with others.
He would never have survived his
gap year (that he claimed to love)
in Australia if he had not experienced
the emphasis on physical fitness at
Gordonstoun.
The day the Queen decided to become immortal.
EDIT: The Queen has passed away peacefully. Immortality is over.
LOVE this comment lmao
Fair play, stealing a comment and capitalising it on the same video but with less views
She’s doing everything in her power to out live her son.
Her chances of outliving her son don't look as good as they did when this comment was made.
But now the queen said she wants them to be king and queen which I dont get
I love how the queen was on neither side. She called him out and put him in his place. She also called Diana too. Unfortunately for Charles, it doesn’t matter in the end. He may have ended up with Camilla but at what cost?The physical and mental death of another person? Not to mention he is definitely not the popular royal anymore after Diana told the public everything. Like they’ve said.....
the crown always wins.
Edit: first off, Rest In Peace Queen Elizabeth:(
Second off, WHEN DID THIS GET 1K???
I think the monarchy may lose bcos of Charles. Diana kept Australia from being a republic and so did the queen and william. But Australia leaving the commonwealth will be inevitable not only bcos Charles will be king but bcos Camilla will be Queen. Thats why the queen won't step down
@@LA-bq6hf the Queen will never step down and not because of what others may or may not do. She see’s being Monarch as her sacred duty and it is not something she would ever walk away from. The Queen has devoted herself to the Crown for most of her very long life, she won’t relinquish that now. In one thousand years the Crown has only been given up willingly once. Being the ruling Monarch of the UK is not like being President or Prime Minster, it’s isn’t something one steps down from.
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@@NarnianHogwart yes, but no other british monarch has even been as old as her or even reach 90yrs old for that matter. The queen is mindful of her age and with the prince philip stepping down, its very plausible that she will follow soon. The queen may look strong but her duties are difficult as well. She has even already offloaded a number of her duties to Charles. It doesn't make you weak or less sacred when you abdicate, it shows that you respect to always do whats best for the monarchy.
I want anne as queen actually.
People should not go through the torture they do.
What makes this scene so effective, aside from the acting and writing which is superb, is that Elizabeth says to Charles exactly what anyone during that era would've told him had they the chance to do so.
I do think he heard that a lot.
The time to behave like a king has come, Charles. Don't let her down.
Or the side down for that matter.
sadly he technically acts like a spoiled manchild that complains on the smallest things
He will.
He still doesn't seem very trustworthy and acceptable... and I'm monarchist...
Just make sure there’s plenty of room on his desk when he signs documents. 😂
"They know that, thanks to you, she has psychological problems and eats or doesn't ea- whatever it is she does or doesn't do"
I just love how they depict that, even though she didn't understand what Diana was going through, she could still understand that it was something that came from a place of pain
“On our feet to keep it brief” damn. What loving, kind mother 😂
If you're grown ass man and you talking to your parents you better do what she tells you and stand up
You know, she was also the head of state for the UK. She was a busy royal throughout her life.
It felt so good watching this scene. To see that the Queen actually feel empathy for Diana.
She doesn't empathize with Diana, she just dispassionately cites the eating disorder as a symptom of Charles' abuse. For all the Windsors cared she could have rotted behind cold doors as long as she was the perfect princess outside.
She wasn’t showing empathy towards Diana, she was chastising him for showing poor behavior.
@@Fry09294 the Queen and Prince Phillip wrote to Diana many times saying they disapprove of Charles behaviour. Diana even said the Queen was supportive
@@Fry09294 Diana is the mother of a future king, of course she would be supportive
Horatio Huskisson typically royals don’t even raise their own kids, the nannies do.
Now's the time to start behaving like a king, Charles...
Concretely one king who cries for some ink from a fountain pen... xD
Once a nonce, always a nonce
im glad she finally put charles in his place to an extent.
It didn’t work. Diana is dead and Charles is married to Camilla. He got what he wanted
@@MsPrecious61 Crown always wins
and now the queen wants them to be king and queen
@@Iconicdollltv that's ambiguous. There have been conflicting statements issued over the years that Camilla would either be known as "Princess Consort" or as "Queen Consort" when Charles eventually ascends to the throne.
@@MsPrecious61 uhh, what he wanted was to marry Camilla from the start… the Queen forced him to marry Diana.. I can assure you, none of that fiasco is what Charles wanted..
She was thinking: "Immortality it is."
You can SOO sense the disgust and contempt when she mentions him being an unfaithful husband. She knows how much harder it was for Phillips to live in her shadow and yet, never stray
"Never stray?" hummmmm.... Philip had lots of side women.
@@keldonmcfarland2969 If he did, at least he was discreet about it. There are no tapes where he's talking to some woman, telling her how he wants to be her tampon. If Charles had not been born into the position he was, he would have been a 40+ year old incel.
You sure Philip never stray?
Uhm Philip cheated on her many times, like a loooot
Why would he??? She would have never divorced him. He cheated on her many many times. And she knew it.
I'm so glad she told him off! He said he's tried his "best" but did nothing but continuously chase after Camilla and degrade Diana whenever he had the chance. Then, he also accuses her of being a terrible wife for doing the things that he himself is doing exactly. He took no opportunity to actually try to understand her, and even if he couldn't, instead of appreciating what Diana was trying to do for him, he talked shit about her to both Camilla and his sister. Regardless if Camilla stayed in the picture or not, it's very clear that in at least this version of their lives, Charles's true love is himself. He wants a wife that showers him in praise and let's him shine in the spot light, not the other way around.
Well said.
In the context of the show (since we'll never know the whole truth about both marriages), Elizabeth is perfectly able to understand Charles' point of view about struggling in a marriage. But where she tried and tried over again, and where Philip and her found a way to work through their differences, she sees two whiny babies not making the effort to do the same. Two whiny babies who will inherit her throne one day. Of course she's reacting this way and it all makes sense, and to me, the storylines that the show shows are perfectly chosen. Elizabeth and Philip's struggles in their marriages serve to feed this storyline as well and to understand the Queen's point of view of it as well. Now, we've also seen Diana make efforts to meet Charles halfway where he's never done the same, and that's where reality sinks in. As much as I can understand Charles wanting to stand up for himself and keeping his love for Camilla as a constant in his life through and through, it came at several costs, and the show shows that particularly. There is nothing wrong with being selfish, especially with your own heart. But selfish to the point of hurting others is where the problem starts. As I see it on the show at least, Camilla is selfish too, but she's never selfish to the point of hurting her husband or her family. She's never selfish to the point of asking anything of Charles. And that's where Charles does not make a suitable King, because yes, in this matter, he put his own selfish wants over the common good, not only of the country and the family's name, but his duty as a King too. It's really just like Philip, how he almost destroyed his own marriage by "not bending" (as the Queen mother said). But he did, in the end, because he understood. The season ends with Diana understanding too, but we all know Charles will never understand.
Honestly, he should have been allowed to marry Camilla back in the 1970s.
This comment is so ridiculous considering Charles wanted to marry Camilla from the start but was prevented by the Queen who forced him to marry Diana. What if that happened to you? Why should he have tried so hard with someone he never wanted to marry to begin with? He deserved to marry who he loved, just like everyone else. People should place blame where it belongs, which is on the queen, not Charles. If anything he has loved one woman his entire life and been faithful to her.
@@MARYWTHER Elizabeth and Philip were able to make it work in spite of all their obstacles because they genuinely loved each other. Charles and Diana never loved each other and he never wanted to marry her in the first place.
'Might I request we do it like privy counsellors? On our feet to keep it brief'
Clear influence from Churchill on Elizabeth there (from season one, episode three):
'The precedent set by your great-great-grandmother was to keep us standing like privy counsellors. To waste time is grievous sin. If there is one thing I have learned in 52 years of public service, it is that there is no problem so complex, nor crisis so grave, that it can not be satisfactorily resolved within twenty minutes'
Honestly one of the best scenes in the Crown so far. And the crowning jewel of Olivia Colman's performance as the Queen over her 2 seasons
The queen said exactly my sentiments about Charles’ behavior towards Diana. If he expects to be King, he must be ready to do the hardwork. That saying with full awareness that marrying someone you don’t genuinely love is painful, but I guess it comes with the territory. The queen’s apathy towards their marital problems mirrors her attitude towards the monarchy-duty above all. Perhaps, Charles has forgotten about this and frankly was being kind of selfish, and self-indulgent. Absolutely love this series! I know it’s fictional but hard to refuse it’s not based on some facts.
Coming from a Queen that has given her life for The Crown. Her Uncle David was just as selfish and got her in position to be Queen. No pity from Mummy
@@MsPrecious61 Elizabeth would’ve been queen even if David (Edward VIII) didn’t abdicate - except about 20 years later.
@@jellyfishi_ i totally understand the anguishness and emptiness poor diana was facing and what the at most brutal part is that u can't get rid of this predicament, divorce is not an option for them I think Islam is far advance than them it has open doors for both men and women to escape out of an unhappy marriage rather dragging it and leading to self destruction
I don't think it was apathy at all. I think, like we see in the clip, she was fed up with their childishness. They had everything they could want in life and yet still weren't happy. That was on them, and no one else. Lots of people have very hard and bad lives and yet still manage to find joy and aren't running to the reporters to moan and complain.
she’s such a savage, she d e s t r o y e d Charles!! what a QUEEN.
and now she wants them to be king and queen
@@Iconicdollltv she doesn’t want them to, it’s the rule
Now we know why Elizabeth refuses to die. Good lord, I can’t even imagine what will happen to England after she dies and Charles becomes king. England, you have this Yank’s sincerest sympathies.
I'm hoping it goes to william and kate i don't like Charles and I think he will be too old
@@ronniedodge3299 He will die before the queen
For years I’ve joked that the queen will outlive everyone even George and Charlotte
I asked all please read this to the end, and understand I’m going by the series version of events. With regards to Charles I don’t have sympathy for her. Yes Charles is his own man and he hast to take responsibility for his shortcomings. But some of this chaos could’ve been avoided if she had treated him as a son first and the Prince of Wales second. The reprimand she gave him for his speech and Wales was 100% uncalled for. And I personally feel she did it because she was partially jealous that he had the guts to do it. When you compare the speech he made at Wales to the speech she gave in the subsequent episode in France, really what he said was not that bad, and by no means a controversy. It was like she was obsessed with making him her carbon copy rather than respect that he had to figure out what kind of king he was going to be for himself. She also should’ve just left well enough alone Especially when he started dating Camila. If they were all convinced that it was going nowhere with Camilla then they should’ve just let the drama play out. That wouldn’t have been 2/3 the disaster of pushing him into a loveless marriage where he made the Earl of Snowdon look like a flowering Virgin. In season three it felt like she had become so committed to duty and image that she forgot the most important thing about parenting. You need to give your children the freedom to make mistakes, for how else can they learn to navigate the waters of adulthood. Now Charles loses my sympathy when he becomes a cheating husband, and I agreed with a lot of what the queen said except What she said when he (Charles) said he wanted to divorce. Charles and Diana were both grotesquely unhappy and it was a cruelty to force them to stay together. And after What happened with Princess Margaret the royal elders should’ve known better. OK rant over.
@@ronniedodge3299 If anything I think Charles understands the burden that the crown can be, I don’t think he has any intention of passing that on to Will and Kate. And to be perfectly frank I have a gut feeling that they don’t want it while their children are so young. And if you’re still disgusted with the idea of him becoming king just compare him to Andrew. Trust me it won’t be that bad.
I really love this scene!
what would make it even better is if it wasn't just fiction! I hope at some point the Queen actually did this! But, as it was said before in the series, not everyone has the fortitude of someone like Queen E. Not everyone can put aside their own desires for the sake of duty.
and now the queen wants them to be king and queen
I felt it when she stomps and raised her voice...such a queen move ✨✨
and now the queen likes them and wants them to be king and queen
The gathering of the files was the icing on the cake... *let me pretend I’m busy so he knows he’s dismissed*
It was my favourite scene because the Queen just summed up exactly what I think about their drama 🤭. And though I have a big soft spot for Diana, she made her mistakes too.
Yea, but age difference
It's impossible to make a marriage work when your husband loves another woman and carries on an affair with her throughout your marriage to him. Regardless of Diana's own faults, Charles doomed that marriage to failure from the start.
The Queen knows exactly what she is talking about here, even if it's fiction.
Her grandmother was in love with King George's brother, who died and so she married George.
Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip experienced marriage difficulties themselves and worked together to move away from those issues and thrive in their marriage. His great great grandfather Edward VII, whom he saw himself in because of his affair with Camilla's great grandmother, took many mistresses but respected Alexandria, even if he didn't love her. He kept her away from the scrutiny of his mother Queen Victoria, they threw parties and rode together and he gave her so much credit for taking on public duties, unlike Charles who was jealous of Diana.
Entering reality, Charles refused to meet Diana halfway and never gave up Camilla. A good king would learn to make sacrifices for the Crown. If that's not fair, he should've been wise enough to know that Camilla loved Andrew, otherwise she would've given Andrew up and said that to him. Remember what Camilla said, she only went to Charles now that Andrew doesn't need her. He refused to see Diana for the talented women and brilliant mother that she was, didn't learn to love her.
He has Camilla now, but at what cost? More than half of the public will always remind him of Diana; the terrible ones will troll him forever. This show will make the new generation aware of what he did, some will feed into the dramatization of his life and hate him even more. Even as king, not everyone will love or accept him. It's sad because Prince Harry himself once said no royal wants to be king or queen. However, because of his father's mistakes, William and Kate may be faced with great responsibilities sooner than they think due to public demand.
That is so correct I think the people would demand Charles to no step as king there’s still two more seasons this show will continue up till 2025 if anything and by that time many people would know better and hate him even more. I do expect the queen to outlive Charles or that at least she makes him aware before dying that he’s not got and should sing and abdication and give the Throne to William
@@eddyalvarez8351 I doubt she will. Entering widowhood at her age and the signs of the last couple of months show she might be failing health.
@@eddyalvarez8351 I don't think they're going to make him abdicate because it's a hefty legal proceeding. They could find a reason to but Charles doesn't have a lot of years left in him to really make it worth it. Nonetheless, we will go down in history as a truly unpopular king.
@@lordalessan yeah I guess so. He’s already taking some duties that the sovereign should have done. But I hope his reigning is short
They never thrived in their marriage, the just put up with each other, like most of their generation.
Olivia Coleman I felt never got given the chance to show her acting ability. But I’m this scene...!!!
They wasted her talent throughout the whole season.
Who's here after the death of Queen Elizabeth
Honestly my favourite parts on both series 3 and 4 were when Elizabeth admonishes Charles.
Season 3 makes me extremely hurt and empathic towards him, Season 4 makes me extremely angry and apathetic towards him. Nevertheless I completely agree.
@@ortegazs plus the treatment of Charles in season 3 is what gives us season 4 Charles.
I love the queen reaction. And if you think Charles ever "suffering", his entire life is so good. Never hungry, never losing job, never wearing fast fashion clothing and never risk his life. Thanks for being "Royal." Meanwhile other royal like Tsar family are killed, mutilated, burned. Others are banished. He does complain unnecessary.
Why did you put the word royal in quotes? Being royalty ain't no popularity contest.....Charles is royalty whether you like it or not.
I profoundly disagree. Sure, having money is useful, but once you have enough money to be financially secure (i.e. are able to meet your needs and have the freedom to make choices as to what to do with your life) more on top of that doesn't really increase your quality of life. Many people inherit that level of wealth _without_ the level the lifetime of public pressure and scrutiny the royals live under, or having to be married to somebody they do not like. And sure, the royals aren't in danger of being assassinated (although it's still a possibility as it is for any public figure, like what happened to Kennedy and John Lennon)...but is that really the bar?!?! 'You aren't dead, so smile?'
Given a choice between being a royal and just being comfortably well-off, I would choose the latter.
He , like any man can feel unhappy and unfulfilled in his relationships. However to pin it as suffering ignores all the privileges he has. As the Queen says, it's all relative. Charles made his failing marriage public, something an institution like the Crown can ill affordm
'..........never wearing fast fashion clothing..................':D
They both deserve to win with their Golden Globe nominations for this scene alone... 💚
amazing crescendo. wonderfully written and even more wonderfully acted. What a blessing Olivia Colman is. And so is Josh O'Connor, so young and yet so mature in his profession.
Never understood this constant whining from Charles. 'Oh, I'm married to a stunningly beautiful young blonde, I live in a castle, I have an army of servants at my beck and call, I'm filthy rich, and I'm first in line to be king of one of the oldest, wealthiest, and best respected monarchies in the world. OH POOR ME, MY LIFE IS SOOOOOO HARD!!' ... give me a fucking break, seriously.
Shhh Hazel, he is really SUFFERING you know....
We the peasants are all completely fine, but Charles is really suffering, so give him a bit of sympathy will ya 😆
Spoiled posh soft rich people... Lol
Money takes away many problems, but it doesn't automatically get rid of all of your problems of all kinds forever. Rich people can still be legitimately unhappy in marriages, especially considering the fact that the spotlight is on them and it's not as simple as just getting a divorce.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 who else but the queen herself to put that brat in his place. i hope this dialogue actually happened!
If it did happen, it's too bad it still wasn't enough to save Diana.
and now the queen wants them to be king and queen
Olivia and Josh have amazing chemistry as mother and son. I hope they work together again in the future. I’m really interested in seeing Imeulda and Dominic’s version, I wonder if they will have the same spark.
Here after Queen Elizabeth died. R.I.P. Its time for Charles to behave like a king.
This was the best scene in the whole series for me. Finally letting the great actors act.
And now he's gonna become king... oh dear.
I was so DAMNED proud of her Majestycalling out Charles for what he truly was ... immature and spoiled 👍❤️
Well Charles. Now you can be King
But I'm not sure if can be a good one...
And subsequently let the entire side down.
...the prince is tired see him to his chambers.
The last 20 seconds hit differently now
She really looks like the Queen may our majesty rest in peace 🙏🏻❤️
RIP Your Majesty. ❤
"... she has psychological problems and eats or doesn't it or whatever it is she does or doesn't do!"
- when your grandma tries to explane bulimia... so adorably ignorant and unsensitive. 🤦🏼♂️
As a person who used to be bulimic (recovered 3 years now) this is exactly what I imagined my grandmother to say. They don’t really understand it. I’m lucky that my grandma had the patience to listen to me try to explain it best I could
The older generations don't understand mental health disorders after tons of explanation, the only thing they say about a person battling mental health issues is that he/she is mad 🙄..I've stopped putting my efforts and energy to explain things to the older generation coz they can't change their views now..instead we can work on educating impressionable young minds 😃
She might not have a therapist's grasp of bulimia, but she knows that it is psychological in nature, and blames Charles's disgusting behavior for contributing to Diana's issues. It might be clumsily phrased, but it a lot more supportive than it is insensitive.
@@potatoface1041 Older generation? 30 years after this was shot I'd put the queen down as the old-EST generation.
This scene is exactly whats on my mind thinking about Meghan and Harry Drama
This was the scene of the series for me. I really hated this season. It felt like we spent three seasons watching a strong Queen grow and spent this season watching a weak future King unravel
That's the reality
@@miaveranika30 totally but much like how we spent time with Elizabeth contemplating the hard personal decisions and how it would affect the crown there's no part of this from Charles and what he's thinking as far as what this will do to the monarchy. I'm sure he must have felt some strong feeling that he wasn't going to do damage by divorcing?
@@seleleota I think we’ll find that in the next two seasons Prince Charles will morph into the man he is now. We have to remember this was over 30 years ago. He’s had a tremendous amount of growth, and The Queen has spent the last 30 years showing him what a Sovereign needs to be. Despite his previous indiscretions he’ll be a good King, although not nearly as good a Monarch as The Queen has been. He’ll have a relatively short reign and The Crown will pass to The Duke of Cambridge who will be an excellent King, and so on. With the exception of The Duke of Windsor, The Windsor’s have always been good at the top job.
I agree, best scene of this season.
very well said 👏🏼
From 1:11 to 1:30 the Queen's reported reaction to Harry and Meghan's interview.
Lmao 🤣🤣
Finally Charles gets to be King!
That one day has come!
RIP queen
I don't he wanted the crown but I expect Elizabeth didn't want the same situation that happened to her uncle
God help the UK and us all.
She then walked to her desk and flipped on the "Immortal Switch"
Omg yes I’ve watched this scene at least 7/8 times and the first few times i was angry because of how much I love Diana and wish she could haven gotten a way from Charles ASAP but I completely understand the Queens point Charles (and Diana) has been given a life full of luxury and could have mostly anything we wanted. But instead he chooses to dwell on the 1 thing he can’t have.
That's when the Queen decided she was gonna outlive her own son so that he never becomes king
The Queen: "Might I suggest you start to behave like a King!"
Charles: "Ok!"
*Divorces Diana, beheads Camilla, then creates an entire splinter church just to support his divorce*
elizabeth quoting churchil with all the chilliness of an ancient institution when she says she and her troubled son should talk “like privy counsellors, to keep it brief”, and being simultaneously on point with her analysis of charles and bafflingly unaware of her own role in him turning out like this. layers and layers of trauma and conditioning elizabeth had to undergo to become what she is in this scene, they’re portrayed with such subtlety
The ton and part of the queen saying "spoiled immatured man and woman endlessly complaining unnecessary", oh my, THAT deserves an oscar !
Charles (as presented in the show) is a narcissist, plain and simple. Watch his scenes, at no point does he ever talk about anything other than what he wants, his needs, his vision, his voice.
Yep, he was
It appears to be an adequate portrayal.
After this scene she thought "I must become an immortal, get me a Lazuruz Pit"
Phenomenal acting by Olivia Colman!
I love that I'm not the only one whom enjoys this scene so very much
She never wanted to be queen but took the position seriously and had no patience for people that didn't. She knew how privileged she was in spite of the responsibilities. Too bad she couldn't manage to instill that in her heirs.
This scene is amazing! Talk about being put in your place.
I really hope she told him off like this irl and its not just TV drama. Cause this spot on. And tbh to some extent describes his youngest son. A spoilt, immature man endlessly complaining unnecessarily. Yeah that sums his ginger offspring up as well.
The Queen channeling her inner Tywin
Lets face it, Prince Charles lost interest in Diana when she turned 18.
"Might I suggested you start acting like a king!"
"Okay mother I will! I'm leaving Diana and will NO LONGER listen to you!"
She said what so many people are still thinking about Charles
Since, Diana dies not long after and 26 years later, Charles finally becomes King....
Even if I feel that the Queen was being really unfair to Diana here (I mean Diana, she really tried to make this marriage works several times unlike Charles), I was so happy that this little brat of a prince was finally being called out for his actions and temper. Charles was a cheater, a selfish and a cold hearted man with no empathy for his wife. That's where the Queen knew that her son doesn't have what it needs to be King. He is not strong enough. The sense of sacrifice...
Everyone loves Diana, but she wasn't exactly a saint. She wasn't totally innocent.
@@mgeek1 Granted but Charles gave her absolutely nothing and often made her feel like utter shit. She was a great mother to their sons and it didn't even matter to Charles. He emotionally abused her and verbally tortured her. There are many men who don't love and/or stop loving their wives but with the vast majority of blokes in this situation, there will always be a vestige of affection and care towards her because she is still the mother of your children. But Charles is such a bastard, he wouldn't even treat her with any level of respect. When she raises the topic of their children as a potential common bond or at the very least the basis for a minimum mutual respect, he viciously dismisses that as a reason to treat her with any kindness. Not only is he callous and spiteful towards her, he is so petty and destructive that he is more than willing to tear her down in front of others. He implied in front of both their staffs that she was so psychologically unfit and damaged that she wouldn't be able to carry out her duties leaving her wracked with self doubt, a crippling lack of self confidence and huge anxiety attacks. Afterwards, when her solo trip was a success & she seeks validation and a bit of praise for not letting the institution of the monarchy, i.e., his family, down & upholding its reputation despite concerns over her ability & mental state before she left, he lashes out at her because he feels resentment and envy over her popularity with the public.
Charles was a proper bastard.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 - Oh, he's definitely a bastard. I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
That's exactly why the queen decided to become imortal
@@mgeek1 No one is perfect, but I think people forget that she was only 19 when she got engaged to Charles. A teenager. A teenager with little to no life experience shouldn't be expected to be able to navigate this insane situation perfectly. Intentions do matter. Diana tried and Charles didn't. Pull any girl who hasn't even been graduated from high school for a full year and they wouldn't handle it well either.
And now this spoiled prince IS king...
Long live the Queen. England needs her and for the rest of us, she is such a role model!
Lmao
@@ededdandeddytv5164 Mate Srlsy?
@@MrCookie710 for real
I love this scene...my favorite of the season
That's the difference between Elizabeth and Charles: Elizabeth understood her duty and her role, and she managed to put aside her self-interest in service of the crown. Even to a fault. That same duty also meant she turned out a terrible mother.
Charles, on the other hand, has absolutely no sense of duty or self-sacrifice. All he ever thinks about is his ideal fantasy world, and he acts like an angsty spoiled brat when he gets anything less than that. He has no concept of responsibility. He thinks the world should bend to meet his needs. And even though Elizabeth may have been a terrible mother, I shudder to think of what Charles will be like if he ever becomes king. Let's hope he goes before his mom so the crown can pass to William.
EDIT: Dang, this comment aged well, didn't it?
Because Charles was and is selfish
By today's standards she is a bad mother but by the standards of the time she raised them in she was fine. It's hard to raise a child for a future you don't see yet. She took the throne in 52. Britain was still the most powerful empire on the planet. That would change in 56 when the united states would take control. It was a different world.
@@silencemeviolateme6076 In 52 I'm pretty sure the United States was already the most powerful country on Earth. I would say this position was already established before WWII. The US had naval parity with the British Empire prior to WWII and the largest economy in the world by 1900.
@@minutemansam1214 1956 is seen as the year US dominance began. The UK France and Israel attacked Egypt to take control of the Suez canal. The US told them to stop. They stopped. At the beginning of WWII the UK was unquestionably the leading global power. Their king was still emperor of India. Hong Kong was theirs. Palestine was theirs. Congo was theirs. The war was their death knell. In 1947 they lost Palestine and India. With the Suez crisis of 1956 they lost Egypt as a puppet state and control of oil shipments. In 1960 they would lose the congo. And as far as largest economy that doesn't mean much. Gdp per capita is a much better metric. When china equals the US that still means the US makes three to four dollars more per person. The US will still be the stronger economy.
No it didn’t age well. You don’t know as much as you think…..nobody does.
I mean, if he turned out spoiled and immature with no moral compass whatsoever, it's not solely his fault.
Andrew is exactly like that. These people were raised by nannies.
Some self-reflection is in order in this family. (I just adore Olivia Colman in this scene 😍)
Do you actually believe that people are the product of their upbringing? I think that life is a lot more complicated. Of course upbringing has an essential part but people do have personality, willpower, do make decisions. You cannot say with a straight face that every single thing you do in life is because of the influence of your mother or father or the lack of it.
2 out of 4 turned out pretty bad- but Edward has stayed faithful to one woman and donates to the arts since that's his passion, and Anne has always put in a lot of work doing engagements, competing in the olympics, etc. Still privileged people, but it's what you do with it that defines you.
And several Decades later Charlie got what he wanted.
God Help the King.
He certainly helped himself to the Crown and Camilla
God I love the Queen even more after this scene. The actress was amazing
He grows to adulthood and has no idea of his role and a life that is of necessity devoted to duty. Her “-and not let the side down-“ sums it up perfectly.
I don't know if the real Charles is like what was portrayed on the show, but if he is... oh boy. He is a dull, boring, needy, spoiled man who loves playing the victim. And those qualities are not what people look for in a king or in any type of leader. Diana was also needy, clingy and played the victim, but, on the other hand, she was charismatic, original, took risks and connected with people. And in her later years she was very confident. She would've made an amazing queen, for sure.
"and if one day you want to be King"
"I do."
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Queen after this: i better become immortal so charles won't take the throne
She actually said she wanted them to become king and queen.
The posh british telling off perfectly executed here
Yes, good speech. But if she had done that earlier, be a better mother, none of that suffering would have occurred. Never underestimate the power of parents to ruin their children's life.
And Liz & Phil did such a spectacular job of ruining it.
"Or so help me I'll live another 85 years and you'll NEVER BE KING!"
Charles: (to himself)Challenge Accepted…..
Yes Your majesty you tell Charles
She knows that she stayed in her unhappy marriage through duty and she sees no reason why he shouldn't too.
Please explain to me how Elizabeth's marriage to Prince Philip was an unhappy one?
They did have a happy marriage though. They had their differences, but they met each other halfway made it work. That’s a quality not many married people have anymore.
I'm going to miss Olivia Colman as Elizabeth.
It’s a DOCUDRAMA not real life, who knows if a conversation like this even took place LOL
I loved this scene! She told him off! Great acting
1:01 And here we get a reminder that "The Crown" is more narrative drama than documentary.
"They know that you betray your wife and make no attempts to hide it. They know that thanks to you, she has psychological problems, and eats or doesn’t eat or whatever it is she does or doesn’t do."
I'll bet money that Queen Elizabeth, sick and tired of hearing about Charles and Diana's marital problems, DID actually scold him at some point around this era. I'll bet she chided him for being spoiled, privileged, and complaining. Yet, I have serious doubts she actually called out his adultery or his gaslighting. For as much progressive change as has occurred during Elizabeth's reign, remember that she is a conservative woman raised during a conservative era where women were told to excuse men's "dalliances." Even more so, she was brought up in a time where mental health issues were seen as personal weaknesses, not traumas inflicted by others.
While I buy the latter comments made in this monologue, these first two sentences are made up to play to the attitudes of a 21st century audience desperate to hear the condemnation of 20th century toxic norms. An audience self-inserted smack down that seems almost like an anachronism in this context.
In that same conservative era though, for the "dalliances" to be so widely known was considered shameful. One was expected to be discreet so as to avoid scandal. Charles's lack of discretion was bringing shame upon the House of Windsor, and even the oldschool attitudes would have been disgusted and angry with him for that.
This was pretty much my favourite scene. Love how the queen lectures Charles, it‘s just beautiful. I sincerely hope she outlives him, he‘d be a great disgrace for the UK!
More than one would have wished Charles would cut the shit and listen to his mother
Bro not that deep get a life
welp. This didn't age well
About that...
Olivia Colman is tremendous. She's as good in these serious historical roles as she was in Bruiser and the Mitchell and Webb sketch comedy. I wish "Sasha Solomon" could have interviewed Olivia Colman.
This is such a superb scene on the part of Olivia Colman, especially for delivering it as rapid-fire as she does.
I think it’s more likely that Phillip had this confrontation with Charles. Phillip begged Diana not to divorce Charles and actually took her side in many moments.
In reality Philipp tried to talk sense into Charles but he just walked away.
Now I see why he is not good enough to handle the Crown 👑
Because of a fictionalized show?
@@Seek1878 no haha , because reality is worst 🤦🏻♂️
You all know is not a documentry, but I believe the Queen could have said something similar, she could not stand whinging I am sure
It's well documented that the late Queen hated rows, arguments, conflicts,complaining and confrontations and did her best to stay out of the way of them
But but but but but!!!!!
Once she did it was look out
First it was twisting her ring
2nd it was a how nice for you
And if you were stupid enough to get to the 3rd it was an icy glare
At that point it was go time but in private
If this conversation really happened in life, the Queen was spot on. Both Charles and Diana were very immature and the both complained about their lot in life which was pathetic. Lots of people have unhappy marriages but in their positions, they would have been better off unofficially separating but still remaining married. Had they done that, Diana would still be alive today.
Charles is the luckiest screw up in history. Harry is the second luckiest.
ACADEMY AWARD WINNER OLIVIA COLMAN 💕
This scene show how cold hearted Elizabeth (the character) is. She was thought from a young age to put the Crown first, on the bright side of it, she was stronger than ever.
Well she is right in this scene
I don't see it as coldhearted at all. Given how he was treating Diana, I think the telling-off was quite deserved.
This Is The GREATEST SCENE In The Series 👍 THIS IS DESERVING OF A OSCAR FOR BOTH ACTORS🏆🏆