@@leftcoaster67-- Not true. Elizabeth II dissolved Parliament at the request of PM Boris Johnson for dubious reasons when Johnson got himself in trouble. The UK Supreme Court later determined that Johnson made the request to dissolve Parliament under false pretenses and effectively lied to the Queen. Elizabeth suffered no consequences as a result of that act, but Johnson lost his job. It was one of the rare missteps in the Queen's reign. Like in this clip here, the Queen should have recognized that Boris Johnson was trying to bamboozle and use the monarch, and she should have denied the request. But Thatcher's request was in 1991. By the time of Johnson's request, the Queen was a very old lady.
T: “The decision to dissolve parliament is in the gift of the Prime Minister. It is entirely within my power do this if I see it fit”. Q: “You are correct: technically it is within your power to REQUEST this. But…”
Do they? What about a U.S. president who is term-limited out of office? Did that president’s career end in “failure” when he/she didn’t lose an election?
@faithlesshound5621 what! The echoes of judas is paid......Judas is paid......I am making a sacrifice. Powell's plea to public to vote for Wilson in ge
She certainly nailed the voice better than anyone I’ve ever heard…I got so sick of her overbearing,droning preaching when she was Prime Minister and celebrated with a victory dance when they kicked her out…
Responsible for the vast majority of economic and political direness we're afflicted with today. People thing that Mark was worst thing she ever gave birth to - no, neoliberalism is the worst thing she ever gave birth too.
@@hoilst265 You’re definitely preaching to the choir here… My grandfather always said that she begrudged him his old age pension and he decided to live as long as he could just to spite her…He was 90 when he died…
@@AFS-ht7bg We were blaming a Conservative for conservatives actually…The term liberal is a bit different in the UK too… For example,it’s possible to have left wing views without being a woke idiot…
I hate to say it, because as much as Thatcher harmed, she equally strengthened the UK, and she has earned a place in history one of its most memorable leaders. But is anyone seeing some rather haunting parallels between Thatcher and the US' incoming head of state? 1. Someone who while having a rather unique (though less eloquent and dignified) style of leadership that challenges the norms of contemporary politics, pushes for drastic and unpopular policies under the guise of them being for the greater good. 2. Someone who insists on gutting the system thinking it will make it better but realistically leaving millions in greater hardship. 3. Someone who may lead us into unnecessary wars, economic turmoil, and alienate us from our allies. 4. Someone who wants to rewrite the rules to circumvent the check and balances that would allow the democratic process to remove them from power when they fall out of favor with the country. 5. Someone in denial of their responsibility for their actions and poor decisions. The only difference is, the US may not emerge as a better nation in the long run as a result.
It won't matter as a large portion of the country supports that individual, and it will only be in decades until historians can look back and judge his time will people be able to look at him and judge him fairly.
I think both of you will be pleasantly surprised about the countries direction in the next four years and hopefully you will realize the media has vastly misinformed you about this individual.
@@stephenferguson9756 I wasn't trying to make a clear statement based on my leanings, just a obvious part of the reality that a y controversial individual has their supporters and it will probably only be several years later that they will be judged fairly.
@@fezmai1282 And the context is, thatcher screwed up big time and is trying to cling to power whatever means necessary, even acting behind her own cabinet. There's no dignity in whatever she's doing here either
Funny enough, i mean i do not know if she was a christian, but in christian mythology, Jesus of course retained his dignity in the wilderness of the desert.
I'm really surprised by the praise around her performance. It's not that it wasn't good - it was - but it's such a weird caricature. I think Streep's version was far more accurate. You can hear Anderson's voice straining as she "puts on" the voice.
Her Late Majesty would have followed the "Lascelles Principles" in deciding a request from Her desperate Prime Minister to prorogue Parliament. Specifically, the Lascelles Principles are a constitutional convention in the United Kingdom beginning in 1950, under which the sovereign can refuse a request from the prime minister to dissolve Parliament if three conditions are met: if the existing Parliament is still "vital, viable, and capable of doing its job", if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and if the sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons". At the time John Major had held all the major Offices of State (Chancellor of the Exchequer & Foreign Secretary) and was the natural successor and the market in the House was still substantial to pass legislation. Although we'll never know the exact form of the conversation we can guess the Queen would have acted entirely constitutionally but, I think, with some small satisfaction in finally putting Thatcher in her place: out of Downing Street, and on the lecture circuit preaching politics to Republicans.
So the Lascelles Principle was proposed but has never been enacted. If a monarch denied a sitting PM’s request to dissolve parliament and have an election, people would flip out. It would doom the monarchy. QEII knew this well. Also, it doesn’t seem like you understand John Major wasn’t chosen by the Queen. Major was elected leader of the Conservative Party by the members of the parliamentary party. And because the conservatives had a majority in the commons, and because he was the leader of that party, he was able to command the confidence of the house. Ergo, he was appointed prime minister. This is how the process works. And Major was far from the natural successor. He and Douglas Hurd both entered the leadership contest in the second ballot after Thatcher withdrew, the idea being they could deny Michael Hesseltine a majority, and then whichever of the two, Major or Hurd, did worse, they would withdraw to unify the Thatcher wing of the party and prevent Hesseltine’s rebels from winning.
@@jasonkoch3182 A good explanation of the Party Politics that went into Thatcher's downfall. I'd forgotten the machinations to keep Hesseltine out of Downing Street as PM; Douglas Hurd isn't exactly the most memorable of men and, at the time, Major was entirely untested as a candidate for Party Leader. So it was something of a surprise for everyone that he was elected despite being elevated from relative obscurity by Thatcher. With regard to the constitutional implications: I was aware of Queen Elizabeth II surrendering the Monarch's choice of Prime Minister, after Macmillan retired and the debacle over Alec Douglas Hume appointment upon the departing PM's advice, and instead, now, relies upon the choice of elected Party Leader as a recommendation for whom to Make Prime Minister - only the Sovereign can "make" PM. The "Lascelles Principles" are now established as part of the unwritten constitution but were never deemed necessary to be written into law as these extreme situations are rare and any future Government would want to retain some flexibility in deciding these matters?
@@Kian2002 the Lascelles Principle was proposed. It was never enacted. No sitting prime minister in the modern era has ever been denied the right to have an election. A PM might be willing to follow the principle on his or her own, but if it was ever revealed that a PM had sought an election and been denied by the monarch, that would literally end the monarchy. Once a PM decides to call an election, there is an election. Getting the monarch’s permission is a formality.
@jasonkoch3182 Firstly, things don't have to be enacted in order to be part of constitutional convention. Indeed, it was the enacting of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in 2011 which definitively terminated the Lascelles Principles, as it completely abolished royal prerogative in the matter of Parliamentary dissolution. The repeal of that Act in 2022 is generally thought to have made them constitutional convention once more. Secondly, it is possible to imagine a Prime Minister so desperate to cling to power in the face of all reason that to _grant_ the request to dissolve would be an outrage to popular opinion -and, accordingly, doing so would not result in the end of the monarchy. Any monarch contemplating that course of action would inevitably consult extremely widely and would in that eventuality be sure of having very wide support from the general constitutional establishment.
@@dizwell I’m aware. And the Lascelles Principal was never a constitutional principle. It was proposed by Alan Lascelles but never used. The fix term parliament act took the power to call an election out of the hands of the prime minister. Since it was repealed, it is now solely the prime minister’s responsibility and right to call an election, just as it was prior to the FTPA. Long story short, there is no evidence anywhere that QEII denied a prime minister the right to call an election, and certainly didn’t deny Thatcher.
Reading the comments below, I think people need to realize "The Crown" wasn't a documentary. 😁I loved this show but I sincerely doubt there was any conversation like this between the Queen and Thatcher. And Thatcher never asked for Parliament to be dissolved.
In fairness she was, apart from being blind to the suffering of others, a victim of the allure of power. It only took a 4-5 years to completely corrupt her thinking. At least Blair had the wisdom and good sense to walk away after ten years. He could have continued for another ten otherwise. Therein lies the wisdom of Geoffrey Howe. He was her friend, and he saw the danger for her and the country in what power was doing to her. Hence the speech and her inevitable downfall. But he did it as much for her sake as for his party and the country.
"evil" She's only the best Prime Minister of the last 150 years for Britain outside of Churchill, and actually understood good policy. Those who hate(d) her are either woefully ignorant of the facts and best courses of action, or are the exact people who solely desire unfettered power over others.
Gorbachov, in many ways, is hopelessly romanticized and idealized in the west. The latter Gorbachov unveiled his true colors and showed that it was not his wisdom, nor his inner strength, that led to the fall of the evil soviet empire, but merely the disbalance in his accounting books, as Germany`s Chancellor Khol once cruelly and cynically remarked.
If you're failing at your job, &you lose said job, it isn't "stolen" from you. One must accept defeat if we're unable to accomplish what is asked of us; step aside, to allow someone more suited for the task at hand to make an attempt. Your lack of effectiveness is as good as a voluntary resignation. In summary, to quote a former employer of mine, "If you can't do your job, we'll find someone that can."
An Indian in power? Give me a break. Sunak is the bright example that power does no longer reside either in the ministry or even Parliament; now, I'm sure that corporations have taken over like . . . well . . .you know what country has shown what they do when a president does not comply with corporations' requests.
I sympathize with the Conservatives more than with Labour, who I consider to be wrong in almost every aspect. But the Conservatives have made a crock of the power they were given. They squandered it. They deserve to be out of government.
Olivia Coleman is such an amazing actress. This scene was so outstanding with MT throwing a pity party and QE telling her to suck it up, buttercup as if she hadn't been Queening for decades while giving birth to four babies. She was the feminist. MT was just a man in a skirt. LoL
Thatcher was so corrupted by the one Ring at this point that her policies werent even that Conservative anymore. This is why Im increasingly convinced that the will to establish a moral society depends on how Conservative you are, how much you wish to preserve tradition, independence, and even law. The more you abandon it, the more subserviance you want for the state, the more you start viewing institutions as weapons, and the more you decide that the best litnuss test for loyalty is by determining how radical someone is rather than by how sensible that someone is.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze I say that because Thatcher’s political journey is very similar to Frodo’s in terms of gradual descension into madness and obsession with power.
I think some of the commenters here, but more importantly the makers of the Crown, should be aware that this didn't happen. Thatcher never requested or even hinted at a dissolution of Parliament to the Queen. It would've caused an enormous constitutional crisis. I do think if you're doing a historical drama with real people as characters then you shouldn't make rubbish up like this.
I hope this happened in real life because as she said “the responsibility of the political party is to operate from a cold balance sheet“ in other words, if you can’t win the election, you’re out the door. Just like she threw so many workers out the door! Just like she taxed so many people regardless of their level of poverty! I hope she felt the sting that she was so effective and delivering to hundreds of thousands of her own citizens.
Thank you! Sometimes, I have to scroll at least ten more comments down before finding the 'THIS FICTIONAL DRAMA BASED ON REAL EVENTS IS SHOWING THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" comment. If the show only showed what occurred in real life, it'd be a documentary or the news, Xero. Get a hold of yourself man/woman/other! And whatever you do, don't watch Jurrasic World.
@@xeromoth9771 Well, yes, that's rather the point, hence "based on real events", which would include some things that *did* occur AND some things that did not. That's how telly works, Nigel!
@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv If you're doing a drama based on real life you shouldn't introduce lies. This isn't some fictional Prime Minister and fictional Queen. This is supposed to be Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth, in November 1990. The whole thing is supposed to be faithful to reality, not just bits. You can't just introduce "some things that did not [occur]".
Thatcher did so much damage. England was horribly diminished by her and her government. It still hasn’t completely recovered. As bad as Trump and Australia’s Tony Abbott.
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Thatcher's the best PM for Britain since Churchill. Trump's the best President since Coolidge. Just say you don't know what you're talking about and you've enthusiastically drank the slop Leftists have fed you.
The entirety of the media has always portrayed Thatcher in the worst lights possible because they despise her, because she was an affront to their power.
@@TrackerNeil The Democrat party has been talking about it for many months including President Biden.....and that they would do without hesitation if they could.
@@RamblinManMoto So then we agree that no one is packing the Supreme Court, and no one is likely to in the near future. I am pleased we could come together on this.
@@TrackerNeil No we don’t agree. If Democrats controlled the Congress, they do plan to do it. They are openly talking about it. The fact that you seem uninformed about it has me scratching my head whether you actually read the news. Your little aside about Republicans is totally made up and fictional whereas Democrats wanting to pack the court is very real and being openly discussed by them. I can tell you are the type that must get in the last word. Go ahead. There is no point in me debating someone who apparently doesn’t keep up with the news.
The Audience meetings between Queen and Prime minister are confidential and never recorded but Margaret Thatcher never asked anyone to save her political skin when she was facing being thrown out of her job as prime minister
Not at all. It is not a documentary. It is a television series. It is extremely private what the prime ministers and the queen discussed in their weekly meetings. So the autors had to make something up. For every single of those meetings. And the "We've come so far!" quote is actually from an interview Thatcher gave. She even started crying in fron of the cameras. So again: It is just a television series. Not a documentary. Never take anything as a fact in this series.
It was never intended to be 100% accurate. It is still a drama. But it is based on real events. I think the show is a wonderful reflection of the country's history, in general.
Thatcher saved the UK. She felt that under her leadership the UK would be a better place. She was right about Europe. But all good things do come to an end.
2:07 "Power without authority is nothing." Very true. All authority is a delusion. We can all rebel. The only being who has true power and authority is Almighty God, yet of all beings, he is the most reluctant to use it. Most of the time, He delegates it, hoping people respect such. Such is the course of history.
We must all atleast understand that the prime minister Margaret thatcher wished well and only wanted to do what will benefit the country and its people.
.. to do what SHE believed was best for the country, which was rather often at odds with actual benefits for the country, which rather often ushered in substantial misery for the country, unless one was wealthy.
@Paulpeterson4216. Gotta love the tears of the labour party! They are stupid and just heart less! Gotta get some morals and values. Gotta love those conservatives!! ❤❤xxoo
I know I'm in the minority, and I usually love Gillian Anderson's work, but I just can't get behind her as Thatcher. She comes off as a caricature. Part of an SNL parody or something.
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The Queen handled this situation so well. You cannot escape the consequences of one’s actions.
what a baby
She’s also very aware of history. And the last monarch that dissolved parliament lost his head.
@@leftcoaster67 she sacked Australia's prime minster
True
@@leftcoaster67-- Not true. Elizabeth II dissolved Parliament at the request of PM Boris Johnson for dubious reasons when Johnson got himself in trouble. The UK Supreme Court later determined that Johnson made the request to dissolve Parliament under false pretenses and effectively lied to the Queen. Elizabeth suffered no consequences as a result of that act, but Johnson lost his job.
It was one of the rare missteps in the Queen's reign. Like in this clip here, the Queen should have recognized that Boris Johnson was trying to bamboozle and use the monarch, and she should have denied the request. But Thatcher's request was in 1991. By the time of Johnson's request, the Queen was a very old lady.
T: “The decision to dissolve parliament is in the gift of the Prime Minister. It is entirely within my power do this if I see it fit”.
Q: “You are correct: technically it is within your power to REQUEST this. But…”
Part of having power is knowing people around you do not care about your feelings in losing it, especially if your loss is their gain.
The Queen's inhale at 3:25 is absolutely amazing... that micro-expression of female empathy.
I love the way the Queen says, “What?”
I'm British, through and through.
Gillian Andersons accent here is 100% perfect.
What an amazing feat. An amazing actor
She grew up in
England.
can barely recognize Gillian Anderson (re X Files)-she is marvelous!!!
Preferred her in Bleakhouse - but that could be I wasn’t fond of Maggie T
She was just clinging to power. The Queen was right
The Queen effectively told her that she wasn't going to bail Thatcher out.
It was time to go for the PM. She was fighting to hold on to power.
She and her friend Reagan destroyed our societies. We are still living under the economic nightmare their ideology has created.
A great scene well acted by two fabulous actresses.
I think Gillian Anderson nailed MT better than Meryl did
I haven't watched Streep's portrayal, but even great actors act best when acting their type.
They were both brilliant.
Totally
Only if you think Mrs Thatcher was bigoted, self-serving and spoke funny.
@@stephenclues2948 That’s exactly who Thatcher was lol
The name "Margaret" was a stressor in general for Elizabeth.
Margret Tatcher forgot the cardinal rule of politics - that all political carrers end in failure.
A law promulgated by Enoch Powell, who was himself a spectacular political failure.
Do they? What about a U.S. president who is term-limited out of office? Did that president’s career end in “failure” when he/she didn’t lose an election?
@@jdb316It's an aphorism that's mostly true of British and Parliamentary politics. US politics is on easy mode, British politics is brutal.
@faithlesshound5621 what! The echoes of judas is paid......Judas is paid......I am making a sacrifice. Powell's plea to public to vote for Wilson in ge
@@jdb316Or, when the limit you mentioned is reached, and the president retires to a life of public service.
U wouldn't consider that a failure.
two award winning performances...
I am mesmerized by Gillian Andersons' performance.
What was that Maggie said in a previous clip? She'd never ask for or accept pity? Yet, here she is...
The "wut" heard round the world
She certainly nailed the voice better than anyone I’ve ever heard…I got so sick of her overbearing,droning preaching when she was Prime Minister and celebrated with a victory dance when they kicked her out…
Responsible for the vast majority of economic and political direness we're afflicted with today. People thing that Mark was worst thing she ever gave birth to - no, neoliberalism is the worst thing she ever gave birth too.
@@hoilst265 You’re definitely preaching to the choir here… My grandfather always said that she begrudged him his old age pension and he decided to live as long as he could just to spite her…He was 90 when he died…
This didn't age well
@@hoilst265blaming a conservative for liberals. That's a new one 😂
@@AFS-ht7bg We were blaming a Conservative for conservatives actually…The term liberal is a bit different in the UK too… For example,it’s possible to have left wing views without being a woke idiot…
My God how I loathed this woman, the Queen had the patience of a saint! 🙏❤
i am sorry to say it but she was a better Margaret Thatcher than Meryl Streep (and Meryl is one of my favorites)
I hate to say it, because as much as Thatcher harmed, she equally strengthened the UK, and she has earned a place in history one of its most memorable leaders. But is anyone seeing some rather haunting parallels between Thatcher and the US' incoming head of state?
1. Someone who while having a rather unique (though less eloquent and dignified) style of leadership that challenges the norms of contemporary politics, pushes for drastic and unpopular policies under the guise of them being for the greater good.
2. Someone who insists on gutting the system thinking it will make it better but realistically leaving millions in greater hardship.
3. Someone who may lead us into unnecessary wars, economic turmoil, and alienate us from our allies.
4. Someone who wants to rewrite the rules to circumvent the check and balances that would allow the democratic process to remove them from power when they fall out of favor with the country.
5. Someone in denial of their responsibility for their actions and poor decisions.
The only difference is, the US may not emerge as a better nation in the long run as a result.
It won't matter as a large portion of the country supports that individual, and it will only be in decades until historians can look back and judge his time will people be able to look at him and judge him fairly.
I think both of you will be pleasantly surprised about the countries direction in the next four years and hopefully you will realize the media has vastly misinformed you about this individual.
@@stephenferguson9756 I wasn't trying to make a clear statement based on my leanings, just a obvious part of the reality that a y controversial individual has their supporters and it will probably only be several years later that they will be judged fairly.
"There is no dignity in the wilderness" WORD.
Yes there is. Dignity is how you carry yourself even in the greatest hardship.
@@DavisJ-ln6fw Context is the key here.
@@fezmai1282 No the context matters little you should carry yourself with Dignity regardless
@@fezmai1282 And the context is, thatcher screwed up big time and is trying to cling to power whatever means necessary, even acting behind her own cabinet. There's no dignity in whatever she's doing here either
Funny enough, i mean i do not know if she was a christian, but in christian mythology, Jesus of course retained his dignity in the wilderness of the desert.
How Gillian Anderson mastered Margaret "The Wicked Witch of the West" Thatcher's must have been beyond amazing.
I'm really surprised by the praise around her performance. It's not that it wasn't good - it was - but it's such a weird caricature. I think Streep's version was far more accurate. You can hear Anderson's voice straining as she "puts on" the voice.
Gillian Anderson was brilliant as Thatcher. Dr
Her Late Majesty would have followed the "Lascelles Principles" in deciding a request from Her desperate Prime Minister to prorogue Parliament.
Specifically, the Lascelles Principles are a constitutional convention in the United Kingdom beginning in 1950, under which the sovereign can refuse a request from the prime minister to dissolve Parliament if three conditions are met:
if the existing Parliament is still "vital, viable, and capable of doing its job",
if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and
if the sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons".
At the time John Major had held all the major Offices of State (Chancellor of the Exchequer & Foreign Secretary) and was the natural successor and the market in the House was still substantial to pass legislation.
Although we'll never know the exact form of the conversation we can guess the Queen would have acted entirely constitutionally but, I think, with some small satisfaction in finally putting Thatcher in her place: out of Downing Street, and on the lecture circuit preaching politics to Republicans.
So the Lascelles Principle was proposed but has never been enacted. If a monarch denied a sitting PM’s request to dissolve parliament and have an election, people would flip out. It would doom the monarchy. QEII knew this well.
Also, it doesn’t seem like you understand John Major wasn’t chosen by the Queen. Major was elected leader of the Conservative Party by the members of the parliamentary party. And because the conservatives had a majority in the commons, and because he was the leader of that party, he was able to command the confidence of the house. Ergo, he was appointed prime minister. This is how the process works.
And Major was far from the natural successor. He and Douglas Hurd both entered the leadership contest in the second ballot after Thatcher withdrew, the idea being they could deny Michael Hesseltine a majority, and then whichever of the two, Major or Hurd, did worse, they would withdraw to unify the Thatcher wing of the party and prevent Hesseltine’s rebels from winning.
@@jasonkoch3182 A good explanation of the Party Politics that went into Thatcher's downfall. I'd forgotten the machinations to keep Hesseltine out of Downing Street as PM; Douglas Hurd isn't exactly the most memorable of men and, at the time, Major was entirely untested as a candidate for Party Leader. So it was something of a surprise for everyone that he was elected despite being elevated from relative obscurity by Thatcher.
With regard to the constitutional implications: I was aware of Queen Elizabeth II surrendering the Monarch's choice of Prime Minister, after Macmillan retired and the debacle over Alec Douglas Hume appointment upon the departing PM's advice, and instead, now, relies upon the choice of elected Party Leader as a recommendation for whom to Make Prime Minister - only the Sovereign can "make" PM.
The "Lascelles Principles" are now established as part of the unwritten constitution but were never deemed necessary to be written into law as these extreme situations are rare and any future Government would want to retain some flexibility in deciding these matters?
@@Kian2002 the Lascelles Principle was proposed. It was never enacted. No sitting prime minister in the modern era has ever been denied the right to have an election. A PM might be willing to follow the principle on his or her own, but if it was ever revealed that a PM had sought an election and been denied by the monarch, that would literally end the monarchy. Once a PM decides to call an election, there is an election. Getting the monarch’s permission is a formality.
@jasonkoch3182 Firstly, things don't have to be enacted in order to be part of constitutional convention. Indeed, it was the enacting of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act in 2011 which definitively terminated the Lascelles Principles, as it completely abolished royal prerogative in the matter of Parliamentary dissolution. The repeal of that Act in 2022 is generally thought to have made them constitutional convention once more.
Secondly, it is possible to imagine a Prime Minister so desperate to cling to power in the face of all reason that to _grant_ the request to dissolve would be an outrage to popular opinion -and, accordingly, doing so would not result in the end of the monarchy. Any monarch contemplating that course of action would inevitably consult extremely widely and would in that eventuality be sure of having very wide support from the general constitutional establishment.
@@dizwell I’m aware. And the Lascelles Principal was never a constitutional principle. It was proposed by Alan Lascelles but never used.
The fix term parliament act took the power to call an election out of the hands of the prime minister. Since it was repealed, it is now solely the prime minister’s responsibility and right to call an election, just as it was prior to the FTPA.
Long story short, there is no evidence anywhere that QEII denied a prime minister the right to call an election, and certainly didn’t deny Thatcher.
Reading the comments below, I think people need to realize "The Crown" wasn't a documentary. 😁I loved this show but I sincerely doubt there was any conversation like this between the Queen and Thatcher. And Thatcher never asked for Parliament to be dissolved.
Whilst I agree, I think Thatcher, of all the PMs before her, was by far the most likely to ask this.
@@MomMom4Cubs I don't think so - Thatcher was a stickler for constitutional rules.
True but it is quite true that the Queen’s pressure on Thatcher made her resign.
The arrogance of that evil woman. Basically she is saying I am the state.
Yeah! Screw Thatcher!
Yeah, shit was going fantastically in the 70s.
Those idiots needed some tough medicine.
They need it again today
In fairness she was, apart from being blind to the suffering of others, a victim of the allure of power. It only took a 4-5 years to completely corrupt her thinking. At least Blair had the wisdom and good sense to walk away after ten years. He could have continued for another ten otherwise.
Therein lies the wisdom of Geoffrey Howe. He was her friend, and he saw the danger for her and the country in what power was doing to her. Hence the speech and her inevitable downfall. But he did it as much for her sake as for his party and the country.
"evil"
She's only the best Prime Minister of the last 150 years for Britain outside of Churchill, and actually understood good policy.
Those who hate(d) her are either woefully ignorant of the facts and best courses of action, or are the exact people who solely desire unfettered power over others.
Gillian Anderson playing a monster. Brilliant.
I think that outro needs to be louder. 🤔 I'm not totally deafened by it.
Thanks a lot for uploading this scene
The Queen was basically "Bish, you're on your own. Everybody hates you. Take care now. Cheerio!"
I also highly praise Olivia Colman as Her Magesty The Queen Elizabeth II and Lillian Anderson as Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
To which the the Queen replied: "Cry one a river."
Uh, that was a NO !
wise words from the Queen
LOL. If Gorvachov said that he was even more stupid than we thought.
Gorbachov, in many ways, is hopelessly romanticized and idealized in the west. The latter Gorbachov unveiled his true colors and showed that it was not his wisdom, nor his inner strength, that led to the fall of the evil soviet empire, but merely the disbalance in his accounting books, as Germany`s Chancellor Khol once cruelly and cynically remarked.
@PandaPanda-ud4ne Evil soviet empire? Lol. There is no empire more evil than the US. And before it, the colonial European powers, specially the UK
If you're failing at your job, &you lose said job, it isn't "stolen" from you. One must accept defeat if we're unable to accomplish what is asked of us; step aside, to allow someone more suited for the task at hand to make an attempt. Your lack of effectiveness is as good as a voluntary resignation.
In summary, to quote a former employer of mine, "If you can't do your job, we'll find someone that can."
Give her some water ffs
Now Rishi Sunak has asked the King to dissolve parliament. The conservatives are finished.
An Indian in power? Give me a break. Sunak is the bright example that power does no longer reside either in the ministry or even Parliament; now, I'm sure that corporations have taken over like . . . well . . .you know what country has shown what they do when a president does not comply with corporations' requests.
as they should be….and Labour should be next
I sympathize with the Conservatives more than with Labour, who I consider to be wrong in almost every aspect. But the Conservatives have made a crock of the power they were given. They squandered it. They deserve to be out of government.
They will come back. It goes in cycles. Governments go stale after 10 years or so and they've been there for 14
@@MsJubjubbird - Now it's Labour's turn to muck things up.
Thatcher was such a wretched woman. But Anderson did a fantastic job portraying her.
She was one of best pms we have ever had
@@simosino6763 no, she wasn't. We are still suffering from the havoc she and Reagan gave us.
@@AndyBluebear-fi9om I agree, dreadful woman.
Ironically I'm watching this on election day.
@@AndyBluebear-fi9om what did she do though? I'm genuinely curious.
@@kyuubidemon95 Quite a bit, and not exactly a discussion for the YT comments section.
Olivia Coleman is such an amazing actress. This scene was so outstanding with MT throwing a pity party and QE telling her to suck it up, buttercup as if she hadn't been Queening for decades while giving birth to four babies. She was the feminist. MT was just a man in a skirt. LoL
That hairdo! It looks like Attila the Hen is wearing a crown of steel wool!
Margaret was desperate to stay in power, and the Queen was right, everyone was against Thatcher.
Thatcher was so corrupted by the one Ring at this point that her policies werent even that Conservative anymore. This is why Im increasingly convinced that the will to establish a moral society depends on how Conservative you are, how much you wish to preserve tradition, independence, and even law. The more you abandon it, the more subserviance you want for the state, the more you start viewing institutions as weapons, and the more you decide that the best litnuss test for loyalty is by determining how radical someone is rather than by how sensible that someone is.
The one ring? I didn't know Thatcher was in Lord of the Rings.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze I say that because Thatcher’s political journey is very similar to Frodo’s in terms of gradual descension into madness and obsession with power.
I thought she was a Neo Libral not conservative
Thatcher: It burns us!!
@@shadowshots9393 Neo Liberalism is Conservatism.
I think some of the commenters here, but more importantly the makers of the Crown, should be aware that this didn't happen. Thatcher never requested or even hinted at a dissolution of Parliament to the Queen. It would've caused an enormous constitutional crisis. I do think if you're doing a historical drama with real people as characters then you shouldn't make rubbish up like this.
WHATEVER: The scene was beautiful written and performed.
I found the real MT a self righteous creep.
She got the voice and mannerisms down well. 😂😂😂
I hope this happened in real life because as she said “the responsibility of the political party is to operate from a cold balance sheet“ in other words, if you can’t win the election, you’re out the door. Just like she threw so many workers out the door! Just like she taxed so many people regardless of their level of poverty! I hope she felt the sting that she was so effective and delivering to hundreds of thousands of her own citizens.
Thatcher was off her rails!
There is no dignity in the wilderness
(cut to Burning Man)
It's the way she said "what"?
Thatcher of course never made this trip to the Palace to persuade the Queen to dissolve parliament.
Thank you! Sometimes, I have to scroll at least ten more comments down before finding the 'THIS FICTIONAL DRAMA BASED ON REAL EVENTS IS SHOWING THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN" comment. If the show only showed what occurred in real life, it'd be a documentary or the news, Xero. Get a hold of yourself man/woman/other! And whatever you do, don't watch Jurrasic World.
@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv you realise that this being a drama based on real life events, it does include things that actually happened as well?.
@@xeromoth9771 Well, yes, that's rather the point, hence "based on real events", which would include some things that *did* occur AND some things that did not. That's how telly works, Nigel!
@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv I find it helpful for it to be pointed out that this never happened.
@@WisdomWeaverBitcoinBruv If you're doing a drama based on real life you shouldn't introduce lies. This isn't some fictional Prime Minister and fictional Queen. This is supposed to be Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth, in November 1990. The whole thing is supposed to be faithful to reality, not just bits. You can't just introduce "some things that did not [occur]".
headlines need to be clearer- I thought this was a Princess Margaret video- say Thatcher or Princess please.
Thatcher is so ghastly
When the trains stop in Grantham have a dump.
Thatcher was so awful and this portrayal really shows her for what she was. Yikes.
Excelente.
Thatcher did so much damage. England was horribly diminished by her and her government. It still hasn’t completely recovered. As bad as Trump and Australia’s Tony Abbott.
Riiight !!
Same here in Scotland. She ruined hundreds of lives.
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Thatcher's the best PM for Britain since Churchill. Trump's the best President since Coolidge.
Just say you don't know what you're talking about and you've enthusiastically drank the slop Leftists have fed you.
other shows glorify and whitewash Margaret Thatcher as a girl boss. This show dared to present the truth.
The entirety of the media has always portrayed Thatcher in the worst lights possible because they despise her, because she was an affront to their power.
She's so unhinged.
Girl bye
Goodbye, Maggie. Don't let the door hit your rear on the way out.
In this fiction, Margaret Thatcher is asking for something that modern-day US Republicans would do without hesitation.
Oh, you mean like packing the Supreme Court when you don't like the decisions coming out of it? Please....
@@RamblinManMoto Who's doing that? The Supreme Court has been at nine members for many decades. Or do you mean something else?
@@TrackerNeil The Democrat party has been talking about it for many months including President Biden.....and that they would do without hesitation if they could.
@@RamblinManMoto So then we agree that no one is packing the Supreme Court, and no one is likely to in the near future. I am pleased we could come together on this.
@@TrackerNeil No we don’t agree. If Democrats controlled the Congress, they do plan to do it. They are openly talking about it. The fact that you seem uninformed about it has me scratching my head whether you actually read the news. Your little aside about Republicans is totally made up and fictional whereas Democrats wanting to pack the court is very real and being openly discussed by them. I can tell you are the type that must get in the last word. Go ahead. There is no point in me debating someone who apparently doesn’t keep up with the news.
Margret Thatcher was a monster
Maggie was always moving GB forward. Despite the feelings hurdles.
Actually, she moved it backwards.
@@SymphonyBrahms to where it is now? Laughable.
I always thought MT saved Britain from the wilderness. I think they could use her again right now. She could also help Canada, Australia, etc....
That thatcher impression is embarrassing. Like a comedy sketch
How accurate is this?
The Audience meetings between Queen and Prime minister are confidential and never recorded but Margaret Thatcher never asked anyone to save her political skin when she was facing being thrown out of her job as prime minister
Not at all. It is not a documentary. It is a television series. It is extremely private what the prime ministers and the queen discussed in their weekly meetings. So the autors had to make something up. For every single of those meetings. And the "We've come so far!" quote is actually from an interview Thatcher gave. She even started crying in fron of the cameras. So again: It is just a television series. Not a documentary. Never take anything as a fact in this series.
It was never intended to be 100% accurate. It is still a drama.
But it is based on real events. I think the show is a wonderful reflection of the country's history, in general.
No way to know. Nobody ever hears what is said in that room. Nobody.
If she was desperate enough, it could have happened. And If I were Sovereign I would tell her No, and to Kick Rocks.
grasping myopia, Margaret.
Boop boop, the witches are dead. Now to wait for the so-called-king to expire as well, and then we might see a more just world.
Crocodile tears. Such a nasty woman. Congrats to Gillian: she has renewed my contempt for this poor excuse for a human being.
Hah, the withered and dupotiant voice of the MT, compared to the commanding voice of the RM.
Thatcher saved the UK. She felt that under her leadership the UK would be a better place. She was right about Europe. But all good things do come to an end.
two females fighting for power one entitled and one self made was never going to end well.
Do you guys think Margaret Thatcher had girl power?
The Spice Girls apparently thought so!
Poll Tax did for Mrs T.
I don't like Gillian Anderson's exaggerated and over-the-top portrayal of Thatcher. It's an annoying grotesquery if anything.
lol army of one
@@taherlokhandwala Just because you and others like her performance, doesn't mean you're right.
2:07 "Power without authority is nothing." Very true. All authority is a delusion. We can all rebel. The only being who has true power and authority is Almighty God, yet of all beings, he is the most reluctant to use it. Most of the time, He delegates it, hoping people respect such. Such is the course of history.
We must all atleast understand that the prime minister Margaret thatcher wished well and only wanted to do what will benefit the country and its people.
Famously not.
🤣
.. to do what SHE believed was best for the country, which was rather often at odds with actual benefits for the country, which rather often ushered in substantial misery for the country, unless one was wealthy.
lol best joke I've heard all week
@@arseface2k934 Is it really so unbelievable to you?
Gotta love the tears of Conservatives
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LOL these comments are ridiculous.
What 👁️👄👁️?
The only mistake Margaret made was the poll tax
I know I'm in the minority, and I usually love Gillian Anderson's work, but I just can't get behind her as Thatcher. She comes off as a caricature. Part of an SNL parody or something.
We must have her back.😁
i love margaret thacher
I love her not being around anymore.
There's always one complete moron....
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