A bonus on the door handles especially where you are, if you get an ice storm that covers the car in a sheet of ice, you don't have to worry about the door handles popping out! My daughter actually figured this out and made a very good point as the other EVs all have handles that need to pop out. How many people have you heard that were frozen out of their Tesla.
Great review deep explanation of the benefits of the ID.4 i got mine last week Pro S AWD and as you mentioned the deals right now are excellent. The MSRP was 54K and with all the incentives $7,5K plus dealer incentive and VW Credit customer loyalty (This is my third VW) the final price was $43K! considering all the features and level of comfort that this car and trim has is a tremendous price. I have a level 2 charger at home so no problem to charge during the night. Once again great review of the ID.4 enjoy it is an amazing car.
We just test drove a 2023 ID.4 AWD Pro S and my kids went through the infotainment center very quickly and easily. The experience in a Model Y LR was much different, where there was lots of hunting, searching and getting frustrated. In the VW they found desired options without having to try hard and felt that the exposed Climate and other dedicated buttons were far friendlier than navigating through Tesla menus. I was also able to read the ID.4's menus and buttons much more easily, as my far-sightedness made the Tesla interface look like a blurry restaurant menu most of the time. We even figured out the sliders immediately - VW made a super easy UI, overall. The haptic buttons were fine to me and their tactile feedback on steering wheel buttons helped ensure I was doing what was intended. I do feel the rear window switch toggle is just typical German engineering weirdness, my Audi had similar little quirks. The Tesla frunk is essentially in that ID.4 hidden storage space beneath the trunk, I feel. It's a frunk in the trunk. Overall, it was just more comfortable and refined feeling than the Tesla MY - it probably comes from the ID.4 being an electronic model from a car company, while the Model Y is a car by a would-be technology company. I want the 2024 model but the dealer was open about trying to entice me with this 2023 model at a price that was even less than you got (sorry), so I've been mulling that over. Am likely going to wait until the 2024 comes out because it has updates I really want and don't taking delivery later in the year, plus the discount will not be as steep as for the 2023 inventory. But upgraded software that I saw on another channel, more efficient + powerful engine, etc. are things I can be patient to obtain.
We have our 2022 ID4 AWD Pro for over a year and racked on 24,500 miles. This car is worth every penny. We've done 10 hour road trips already and for a family of 4, it's fun for road trips. We use EVGo and charging 60% costs $12, so driving is affordable. So about $18 to fill up a tank from 0-100%, for 250 miles, even though you should charge from 20%-80%. My previous Honda Clarity would cost $38 for 300 miles range.
Thanks a super video. I live in the UK and got a VW ID4 in April. I do really love it. But I just don’t get VW and the features on it cars. Mine is not quite the top range but has automatic folding door mirrors. However when I bought it I was stunned that the rear door does not have the power close!!! It wasn’t cheap to buy as we have no government subsidy to fund EV car purchase. But I have enjoyed driving it over the past 6 months.
Depends on the city. They don’t depreciate that fast east of the Miss. low mileage 20/21s are still around 30 in my hood. Can’t find a new awd pro s below 42 around Chicago
I’ve had two ID.4 vehicles. First was an early 2021 AWD Pro S. It was a great car but had some first model year bugs. I replaced it with a 2023 AWD Pro S. The 2023 version is far better. I like the ID.4 over Tesla Y, and Hyundai. The ONLY area where they are better is rocket ship acceleration. The ID.4 in sport mode (it has five driving modes) has enough kick to dust 80% of other vehicles on the road. That’s good enough for me. If you’re shopping for a decent EV SUV, the VW should be on your short list.
I just bought a 2022 ID4 Pro S AWD with 13k miles for $33,500, clean title, no accidents, and not a lemon. Now I don't get the $7.5K rebate because it's used but for under $35 grand for a top trim AWD VW SUV, it's a deal. There are deals out there if you want one of these and you don't have a lot of money, you just have to look.
Good overview! I have a 2019 LEAF Plus, debating upgrading for yhe additional space and CCS connector. Seems like a used '22 is a decent option for a budget conscious buyer, but still a bit of a premium. Seems worth it though if I can use it for like 10 years.
Excellent information very clear, concise and articulate. I am considering ID4 after my current EV lease is up next year. Looking forward to the 2024 with updated infotainment software and a bit more power for the AWD. Thanks!
@@amentauto3610to be honest the ID range is already decent. The IQ drive system is so good! In regard to the touch controls it’s to do with unlock-able upgrades. I’ve been using a golf GTE for 2 years and I’ve gotten more than used to it :) Infact I prefer it now
Excellent walk-around review. I am seriously considering this ID.4 trim and trade-in myVW GTI. Test drove this trim recently but still on the sideline waiting for further VW discount 😂. I would never buy any car at $40k, let alone $54k. But with potential VW deep discount and $7.5k incentive, below $40k is a possibility, at that point VW and I would have a deal. If the discount does not meet my objective threshold, then I will see what 2024 ID.4 or 2024 M3 will bring to the table. BTW Elon's bi-weekly antic behavior only drive me toward VW ID.4. Shocking to know that there was a $5k mark up on EV6 Ioniq5... early this year to now $5-10k discount, so I will patiently wait.
Once the 2023's are gone i think the crazy deals will be gone for a bit seeing as the 2024 is very improved. Pretty sure thats why they're desperate to move the 2023's before the 2024's hit the lot.
Another bonus on the deal VW in November 2023 (besides the 5k off the sticker), is offering 3.9% financing for up to 72 months. I considered this and a Tesla Model Y and ended up with the same trim level VW (w/ Aurora Red Metallic, SHARP!), and the VW was $5,500 less to purchase than the Tesla (not to mention the $s saved on 3.9% vs 6.9% financing for the Tesla)
Thank you for the review. I am negotiating an ID.4 Pro. How can I ask the dealership to lower the price more? I like the VW ID.4 since they came out. Do you recommend leasing or finance? Thank you. If I buy it I will keep it for a long tine.
VW recommend on the UK website the Ohme Charger and Octopus supply. I got both when I purchased the VW Cupra Born. The VW Cupra Born didn’t charge 5-80% in 35 minutes stated in the technical info but took 50/55 minutes so basically less than 2hrs driving for 50/55m charging. Hopeless in my experience! I’d carefully check the stated rate of charging and make sure that VW won’t later argue it is a “range” for instance. The VW website for the id4 has an involved charging simulator and a long footnote which includes the unexplained and random battery safe “feature”. Given my experience of the VW Cupra both with poor DC speed and with half charging overnight on Ohme/Octopus on 75/80% of AC charges, I’m not convinced with this EV platform
Where in Wisconsin are you? I just bought an ID4 over the weekend and I’m in Madison. Really so different than anything I’d usually buy, but it was a good deal and I think an EV will fit my lifestyle (I guess I will find out).
I live in IL and was looking at 2023 ID4 AWD Pro S which is a left over inventory that is heavily discounted. ($39k+tax) I am currently driving 2022 Rav4 Hybrid XSE and wanted to go full electric. I like the car, but I drive about 100-130miles per day 5 times per week. So range might be an issue and overall electricity cost.... any advice...
I'd buy a id.4 if they came out with a 2024. There should be some even better deals then. Hate the 20" wheels. If the rumor is true that 20" will be standard I get a 2023 at a great price.
50 hours to charge from a standard wall outlet (120 volt), around 4-5 miles of charge per hour, which is pretty normal. That's why he mentioned getting a 240 volt outlet installed.
Did you mean tax REBATE? Because there is no tax credit on these. And the only way to get the 7500 rebate, is to lease it. That's what we did, and bought out the lease the next month.
It's mostly Right wing Rhetoric. That being said I understand the point of taking taxpayer dollars and choosing winners and losers. Personally I'm fine with it but I get the argument.
@@amentauto3610 they take taxpayer dollars to fund oil wars; and gift public land to big oil companies to drill all the time. Here they're not giving taxpayer money to people to buy EV's; they're letting taxpayers choose to use a portion of their taxes to buy an EV instead of an oil subsidy
I purchased AWD Pro S Plus with advanced VW sound system three weeks ago. Still adjusting from BMW i4. Infotainment is absolutely terrible (especially after i4), and the app is absolutely useless. The car was built in the US. And the quality of build is terrible. Door's rubber seals are falling off, lots of rattling...
I've been really happy so far with my build quality. How is the sound system on the Plus? I've never experienced it myself but the "base" setup seems plenty good to me!
That range wouldn't work for us. We travel too much. I'll admit that EVs make decent commuter cars, but for serious driving that range wouldn't cut it. I would literally have to make 3 charging stops just to get to Disneyland, which would effectively add an extra day to that trip (consideting the drive home, also). If we wanted to go farther than that, this would wind up costing us nearly double to take a vacation--hotels, remote charging, time lost, etc --negating any fuel savings.
Be glad you don't live in CA, like we do. The fight over consumer choice hasn't even begun yet and it's already looking ugly. :) Cheers mate. Enjoy your new ride.
Your math is broken. If you were to charge this car from 10% to 80% you would spend 30mins. Multiply that by 6 and that is 3 hours. How do you get 24hrs?
@@Demobot1 That three hour difference,,when you leave at 2am vs 11pm makes all the difference. It has to do with our work schedules. That 3 hours forces me to add an extra day to the trip.
A bonus on the door handles especially where you are, if you get an ice storm that covers the car in a sheet of ice, you don't have to worry about the door handles popping out! My daughter actually figured this out and made a very good point as the other EVs all have handles that need to pop out. How many people have you heard that were frozen out of their Tesla.
Great review deep explanation of the benefits of the ID.4 i got mine last week Pro S AWD and as you mentioned the deals right now are excellent. The MSRP was 54K and with all the incentives $7,5K plus dealer incentive and VW Credit customer loyalty (This is my third VW) the final price was $43K! considering all the features and level of comfort that this car and trim has is a tremendous price. I have a level 2 charger at home so no problem to charge during the night.
Once again great review of the ID.4 enjoy it is an amazing car.
We just test drove a 2023 ID.4 AWD Pro S and my kids went through the infotainment center very quickly and easily. The experience in a Model Y LR was much different, where there was lots of hunting, searching and getting frustrated. In the VW they found desired options without having to try hard and felt that the exposed Climate and other dedicated buttons were far friendlier than navigating through Tesla menus. I was also able to read the ID.4's menus and buttons much more easily, as my far-sightedness made the Tesla interface look like a blurry restaurant menu most of the time.
We even figured out the sliders immediately - VW made a super easy UI, overall. The haptic buttons were fine to me and their tactile feedback on steering wheel buttons helped ensure I was doing what was intended.
I do feel the rear window switch toggle is just typical German engineering weirdness, my Audi had similar little quirks.
The Tesla frunk is essentially in that ID.4 hidden storage space beneath the trunk, I feel. It's a frunk in the trunk.
Overall, it was just more comfortable and refined feeling than the Tesla MY - it probably comes from the ID.4 being an electronic model from a car company, while the Model Y is a car by a would-be technology company.
I want the 2024 model but the dealer was open about trying to entice me with this 2023 model at a price that was even less than you got (sorry), so I've been mulling that over. Am likely going to wait until the 2024 comes out because it has updates I really want and don't taking delivery later in the year, plus the discount will not be as steep as for the 2023 inventory. But upgraded software that I saw on another channel, more efficient + powerful engine, etc. are things I can be patient to obtain.
You are my favorite car review guy!!
You're in my top 1000 subscribers! :)
We have our 2022 ID4 AWD Pro for over a year and racked on 24,500 miles.
This car is worth every penny.
We've done 10 hour road trips already and for a family of 4, it's fun for road trips.
We use EVGo and charging 60% costs $12, so driving is affordable. So about $18 to fill up a tank from 0-100%, for 250 miles, even though you should charge from 20%-80%.
My previous Honda Clarity would cost $38 for 300 miles range.
Thanks a super video. I live in the UK and got a VW ID4 in April. I do really love it. But I just don’t get VW and the features on it cars. Mine is not quite the top range but has automatic folding door mirrors. However when I bought it I was stunned that the rear door does not have the power close!!! It wasn’t cheap to buy as we have no government subsidy to fund EV car purchase. But I have enjoyed driving it over the past 6 months.
The ID.4 depreciates like crazy. Local VW dealer has a '21 VW ID.4 Pro RWD with 15K miles for $23K. Great deal for someone shopping used.
Oh where? I’m looking!
@@KawaiiLuckyGirl OKC
Depends on the city. They don’t depreciate that fast east of the Miss. low mileage 20/21s are still around 30 in my hood. Can’t find a new awd pro s below 42 around Chicago
@@evdombrowski1 There are many in Illinois for under 30 and I am talking about 2023 Pro S
@@yummy9731 brand new AWD Pro S? Put the link below
I own a Moonstone Grey VW ID.4 GTX and i really love the car…
I’ve had two ID.4 vehicles. First was an early 2021 AWD Pro S. It was a great car but had some first model year bugs. I replaced it with a 2023 AWD Pro S. The 2023 version is far better. I like the ID.4 over Tesla Y, and Hyundai. The ONLY area where they are better is rocket ship acceleration. The ID.4 in sport mode (it has five driving modes) has enough kick to dust 80% of other vehicles on the road. That’s good enough for me. If you’re shopping for a decent EV SUV, the VW should be on your short list.
Very true, I too had issues with the 2021 vw Id.4 AWD PRO S and we traded that in for a 2023 got a good deal and we are very happy.
I just bought a 2022 ID4 Pro S AWD with 13k miles for $33,500, clean title, no accidents, and not a lemon. Now I don't get the $7.5K rebate because it's used but for under $35 grand for a top trim AWD VW SUV, it's a deal. There are deals out there if you want one of these and you don't have a lot of money, you just have to look.
Check the IRS tax code. If it was made in Tennessee, you could be eligible for $3,450 tax incentive even on used.
Excellent natural review 😊👍🏻
Good overview! I have a 2019 LEAF Plus, debating upgrading for yhe additional space and CCS connector. Seems like a used '22 is a decent option for a budget conscious buyer, but still a bit of a premium. Seems worth it though if I can use it for like 10 years.
Wow great vidio, made me think about switching to an electric car. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent information very clear, concise and articulate. I am considering ID4 after my current EV lease is up next year. Looking forward to the 2024 with updated infotainment software and a bit more power for the AWD. Thanks!
Yeh i'm going to have FOMO once the 2024's hit the lot.
@@amentauto3610to be honest the ID range is already decent. The IQ drive system is so good!
In regard to the touch controls it’s to do with unlock-able upgrades. I’ve been using a golf GTE for 2 years and I’ve gotten more than used to it :) Infact I prefer it now
you don't need to go through the climate settings to enable the seat warmers. use the two finger touch shortcut (multiple youtube videos about it).
I've found that it only works about 50% of the time, also if its dark its impossible to see. Great idea in theory but terrible execution.
Excellent walk-around review. I am seriously considering this ID.4 trim and trade-in myVW GTI. Test drove this trim recently but still on the sideline waiting for further VW discount 😂. I would never buy any car at $40k, let alone $54k. But with potential VW deep discount and $7.5k incentive, below $40k is a possibility, at that point VW and I would have a deal. If the discount does not meet my objective threshold, then I will see what 2024 ID.4 or 2024 M3 will bring to the table. BTW Elon's bi-weekly antic behavior only drive me toward VW ID.4. Shocking to know that there was a $5k mark up on EV6 Ioniq5... early this year to now $5-10k discount, so I will patiently wait.
Once the 2023's are gone i think the crazy deals will be gone for a bit seeing as the 2024 is very improved. Pretty sure thats why they're desperate to move the 2023's before the 2024's hit the lot.
Look into WE Energies EV pilot program for your home charger.
Another bonus on the deal VW in November 2023 (besides the 5k off the sticker), is offering 3.9% financing for up to 72 months. I considered this and a Tesla Model Y and ended up with the same trim level VW (w/ Aurora Red Metallic, SHARP!), and the VW was $5,500 less to purchase than the Tesla (not to mention the $s saved on 3.9% vs 6.9% financing for the Tesla)
Nice color choice! That's a beautiful Red
Thank you for the review. I am negotiating an ID.4 Pro. How can I ask the dealership to lower the price more? I like the VW ID.4 since they came out. Do you recommend leasing or finance? Thank you. If I buy it I will keep it for a long tine.
Lease it! Values have tanked on these so let VW take the depreciation hit.
VW recommend on the UK website the Ohme Charger and Octopus supply. I got both when I purchased the VW Cupra Born. The VW Cupra Born didn’t charge 5-80% in 35 minutes stated in the technical info but took 50/55 minutes so basically less than 2hrs driving for 50/55m charging. Hopeless in my experience! I’d carefully check the stated rate of charging and make sure that VW won’t later argue it is a “range” for instance. The VW website for the id4 has an involved charging simulator and a long footnote which includes the unexplained and random battery safe “feature”. Given my experience of the VW Cupra both with poor DC speed and with half charging overnight on Ohme/Octopus on 75/80% of AC charges, I’m not convinced with this EV platform
This will be my next electric car. taking delivery this week. Im trading my 2020 Hyundai Kona EV that is on lease, to lease this VW!
Let me know how you like it!
@@amentauto3610 after 200 miles in a week, Im lovin it! I used to drive a 2020 Hyundai Kona EV.
@@amentauto3610 loving it!
I did same! Traded in our 2021 Kona EV for the 2023 ID4 Pro
@@clargorey What a Huge difference!
Where in Wisconsin are you? I just bought an ID4 over the weekend and I’m in Madison. Really so different than anything I’d usually buy, but it was a good deal and I think an EV will fit my lifestyle (I guess I will find out).
Right outside of MKE!
I should hit you up next time I’m in Milwaukee. I prefer your color.
Good car bought a 23 Pro S AWD with 961 miles for $29,395!
Sounds about right. VERY glad i leased because they have depreciated like crazy!
You still need to replace airfilter on this.
Just bought the same one for a great deal, $31k!
I live in IL and was looking at 2023 ID4 AWD Pro S which is a left over inventory that is heavily discounted. ($39k+tax) I am currently driving 2022 Rav4 Hybrid XSE and wanted to go full electric. I like the car, but I drive about 100-130miles per day 5 times per week. So range might be an issue and overall electricity cost.... any advice...
130 miles a day I would hold off with those Illinois winters. It's do able but I fear you would have lots of range anxiety.
Thank You for your imput. Will be looking for hybrid plug-in instead, I think it is a great transition from Hybrid to full electric
An ICE Tiguan has smaller exterior dimensions, yet a much larger interior. So much for BEVs being more spacious inside...
A tiguan is 6 inches longer. Yet is only marginally larger on the inside.
I'd buy a id.4 if they came out with a 2024. There should be some even better deals then. Hate the 20" wheels. If the rumor is true that 20" will be standard I get a 2023 at a great price.
I wonder when the 2024s will hit the dealers?
Supposedly Spring 2024
Did you say it takes 50 hours to charge or 15?
50 hours to charge from a standard wall outlet (120 volt), around 4-5 miles of charge per hour, which is pretty normal. That's why he mentioned getting a 240 volt outlet installed.
50 hours to charge on a normal standard wall outlet.
Did you mean tax REBATE? Because there is no tax credit on these. And the only way to get the 7500 rebate, is to lease it. That's what we did, and bought out the lease the next month.
Correct my bad, thats what we did we leased.
According to the IRS the US built ID-4 qualifies for the full $7500 tax credit, whether purchased or leased.
Lol, from Alfa to VW suv. Bro took a 180.
What is with this narrative about people being forced into electric vehicles? I've never met a single person who was forced to buy an EV.
It's mostly Right wing Rhetoric. That being said I understand the point of taking taxpayer dollars and choosing winners and losers. Personally I'm fine with it but I get the argument.
@@amentauto3610 they take taxpayer dollars to fund oil wars; and gift public land to big oil companies to drill all the time. Here they're not giving taxpayer money to people to buy EV's; they're letting taxpayers choose to use a portion of their taxes to buy an EV instead of an oil subsidy
I purchased AWD Pro S Plus with advanced VW sound system three weeks ago. Still adjusting from BMW i4. Infotainment is absolutely terrible (especially after i4), and the app is absolutely useless. The car was built in the US. And the quality of build is terrible. Door's rubber seals are falling off, lots of rattling...
I've been really happy so far with my build quality. How is the sound system on the Plus? I've never experienced it myself but the "base" setup seems plenty good to me!
Garage door opener is not standard...in 2024. 😮
Shocking in an electric car where most buyers charge in their garage.
That range wouldn't work for us. We travel too much. I'll admit that EVs make decent commuter cars, but for serious driving that range wouldn't cut it. I would literally have to make 3 charging stops just to get to Disneyland, which would effectively add an extra day to that trip (consideting the drive home, also). If we wanted to go farther than that, this would wind up costing us nearly double to take a vacation--hotels, remote charging, time lost, etc --negating any fuel savings.
Yeh electric cars still don't work for everyone which is why I hate that they are being forced on people.
Be glad you don't live in CA, like we do. The fight over consumer choice hasn't even begun yet and it's already looking ugly. :)
Cheers mate. Enjoy your new ride.
Your math is broken. If you were to charge this car from 10% to 80% you would spend 30mins. Multiply that by 6 and that is 3 hours. How do you get 24hrs?
@@Demobot1 That three hour difference,,when you leave at 2am vs 11pm makes all the difference. It has to do with our work schedules. That 3 hours forces me to add an extra day to the trip.
hmm. I’m not going to buy an electric car because I have to go to Disneyland on a regular basis 🤔 ok, fair enough!
I hope you got rid of it
About to post 10K milage update. Sorry to disappoint you!
You are probably very young based on your vehicle choices. Stop buying cool and trendy vehicles, you are a father, grow up!