The Atheist Experience 25.30 with Matt Dillahunty and Seth Andrews (
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
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00:00 Intro
02:55 Happy Birthday Katie!!!
05:02 Pratyush-(JP) | Get Your Story Straight
10:24 John-TX | The First Law Of Thermodynamics Proves A Creator
29:59 Why Is God Believed To Be Benevolent By Default?
33:03 Lynn-PA | God Is Love, We Are Love, Everything Is Love
39:53 Jackson-VA | Bad Arguments Against Christianity
54:51 Narock-(BB) | Jesus Wrote What?
1:11:16 Putting The Jesus Hat On
1:15:26 Paolo-DC | God Is Self-Evident... To Those Who Already Believe
1:27:16 Drew-CA | Picking Cherries In The Exodus 21 Orchard
1:32:39 Outro
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of the Atheist Experience, Matt Dillahunty is joined by Seth Andrews. Let’s do this thing!
First up is Pratyush from Japan who can’t seem to get their story on the show to align with what they told the call screeners. See ya later dude!
Next up is John from TX who asks how Atheists have ruled out a supernatural cause of the universe. The caller attempts to cite the laws of thermodynamics as the mechanism that caused the universe while claiming that the laws of the universe do not apply to their God.
Up next is Lynn from PA who says that God should be love, but is unable to provide any other properties of this God. Love is great, but the definition of this God doesn’t go anywhere, kind of like this conversation.
Next is Jackson from VA who attempts to box all Christians into a box with an improper understanding of what the Bible actually says.
Next is Narock from Barbados who believes to know that Jesus actually wrote laws in the Bible because of his background. The reason the hosts are asking questions is because they want you to provide a justification of your beliefs before they accept your claims to be true.
Next is Paolo from DC who wants to know why we think God created the universe. Before we can consider God’s purpose, we have to first determine whether belief in a God is warranted. Just because something seems obvious to one person, doesn’t make that person’s assessment true without further investigation and demonstration.
Our final caller is Drew from CA who claims that Matt has made false claims about Christianity. The caller then cherry picks irrelevant verses that do not in any way rebut Matt’s previous claims.
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00:00 Intro
02:55 Happy Birthday Katie!!!
05:02 Pratyush-(JP) | Get Your Story Straight
10:24 John-TX | The First Law Of Thermodynamics Proves A Creator
29:59 Why Is God Believed To Be Benevolent By Default?
33:03 Lynn-PA | God Is Love, We Are Love, Everything Is Love
39:53 Jackson-VA | Bad Arguments Against Christianity
54:51 Narock-(BB) | Jesus Wrote What?
1:11:16 Putting The Jesus Hat On
1:15:26 Paolo-DC | God Is Self-Evident... To Those Who Already Believe
1:27:16 Drew-CA | Picking Cherries In The Exodus 21 Orchard
1:32:39 Outro
Thank-you time stamp person/s
God - going by those titles means we are not getting any fresh content today.
John doesn't get it. He's rambling about the laws of physics and thermodynamics and doesn't even understand what fallacy he's presenting. He doesn't know why the laws are the way the are and instead if saying I don't know he says " therefore God". It has absolutely no connection to a god not even in his argument.
@@chrisking6695 Funny how he only mentioned the 1st LoT, none of the other ones. Does John not realize that there’s LOTS of people that know what Thermodynamics are? Or does he think he’s the only one to hear about them? Where does he get his information on the LoT, that he thinks they prove a “god”. Does he think that no one else would’ve noticed that and already demonstrated it if it were true
It’s crazy how narcissistic and entitled guys like John can be, to claim that they are the only ones who could be right “cuz god”. Simultaneously using the research of other people, claiming it as his own, then saying that said research is wrong/inaccurate.
Therefore his god is real and created everything including Thermodynamics, and it’s unfair to ask for a demonstration of this “god” or “creation”.
@Jimmy Kirk nice fake account, which troll is this really?
I'm an atheist. And at first I would ask myself why would people invest time talking against religion. But now I realize that it's not exactly against religion, it's more a fight against ignorance. Thank you for this channel and for all your contribution in favor of critical thinking and knowledge. I wish the world was more in line with channels like these. Thank you so much!!
I used to think a lot of atheists seemed to be actively angry at the God they claimed not to believe in. I mean, maybe some people are, but thankfully now I realize that it doesn't work that way. People go around believing things that are contradictory and holding them back, and there's nothing wrong with being frustrated at that.
@@nameforcomments4092 I agree. Thank you for sharing this. 👍😊
People actions are greatly influenced by their beliefs, and I would say this is a major belief, and actions have consequences. What is the harm to society, to the progress of human evolution, if the majority of the population is making decisions and acting from a false narrative or irrational assumptions? Shouldn't we try to remedy that?
Where I am from, theists are relatively liberal so your day to day religion seems fairly harmless. But you look elsewhere, or dig down to the fact that people believe in ridiculous nonsense and suddenly it is scary. I was so irritated when I was young that everyone around me believes just one guy is magic and can come back to life, and this belief gets a free pass from basic sense.
@@loki6626 tell tales channel is pretty good at showing how religious belief effects american society. The fanatics he highlights on there are very real, and dead set on having their way with American society.
Seth is by far the best co-host ever. Doesn’t interrupt, when he does have something to say, he stays directly on topic. As was said, when Seth spoke, the show got better.
I agree!
Look up his channel..The Thinking Atheist..good content he has .
@@shookreeseeree4 he is fantastic & I prefer his content over most. Hemant Mehta as well!
His lectures are great too!
Slight disagreement, Shannon is just as good in my view! But yes Seth is amazing 🤘
Lynn - As a huge stoner myself I say this with a heavy heart: You seriously need to put down the bong...
Matt and Seth have a kind of “good cop/ bad cop” approach that I enjoy. 😉
Yeah that bad cop Seth is like riding Fu Man Chu that hasn’t eaten for two days.
Seth has always had this weird "Infinite Patience" with people. He is always calm and cool in his interactions. I think most of the time a caller needs to hear a calm voice of reason, and Seth is great at that.
Well put!
@@rationaltrekker2509 the Dynamic duo, always!
I agree. You need a good cop when Matt is on lol Jk I do like Matt too.
Lynn: "God has a rainbow of properties."
**40 seconds later**
Lynn: "I don't understand properties."
I am pretty sure she had a different meaning for properties. Just like she had a different meaning for spiritual...and love.
God is love so she could have said love has a rainbow of properties. I want to know what properties love has.
I have half a dozen Lynn friends on Facebook. I didn't have a name for them until now.
I think Lynn can tell you the properties of her bong.
@@MidlifeCrisis82 She should still understand English and be consistent with her own words.
I love Seth. He always seems like a truly good guy. I love his show The Thinking Atheist.
Me too. I live when he's on the AXP.
His presentation on the Satanic Panic is awesome!
His books are great too!
@@IllustriousCrocoduck he was on the epix documentary Fall River giving the background information on the satanic panic. He was very good in it.
i guess he seems like a good guy but he has such a sanctimonious tone when he talks it makes me throw up
Matt completely disassembled John’s argument within the first minute of the call. It was glorious.
It's crazy how many of these theists callers avoid answering every question. It's almost like they're avoiding reality
Dillahunty is getting better at asking questions--particularly the questions framed to be answered with a yes or a no--where the honest, true and OBVIOUS answer isn't the answer the caller wants to give.
It's just frustrating because instead of just answering questions, they're trying to jump ahead 5 steps and do a workaround. If you're working that hard to defend something, you're doing reason wrong.
It is an excellent exercise to think, what would be the question that I wouldn't have an answer to.. Or if I would avoid it.. would there be any??
Backward mindset callers
Being a theist is the very definition of avoiding reality.
Having two of the coolest atheists together is a real treat!!!
Sucks that Seth only comes on once a year! Have him on more!🤗
Christmas and Seth come but once a year. More often...less special.
(Like when Seinfeld went into syndication.)
Seth has different and interesting ways of handling the situations. I wish Matt would let him speak more .
Matt's fallen into some default antagonistic patterns that probably shut the doors too quickly. Still like him though.
Sometimes he's a bit too quick to judge, but he's right that you shouldn't let people who make no sense babble on. Then you just lose communication.
John-TX - Just another example of how badly Texas needs an education makeover.
Texas decides what text books most of America gets to use. How scary is that?
well Texas ain't gonna get an education makeover as the powers that be in Texas hate real education ' the new law they are trying to pass which bans the teaching of the truth about american slavery and the civil Rights movement
What’s the rest of the country’s excuse???
@@petermeichan3160 education is like Kryptonite to the GOP. Their bullshit conspiracy theories break down the second someone starts to educate themselves on civics, the Constitution, and how elections work. The whole "big lie" only works because so many in that party are ignorant on how elections work. Including their orange faced leader. He genuinely doesn't understand it.
John's hesitation in identifying the creator of the universe revealed a lot.
Supernatural Thermodynamics. It's apparently a thing.
@@spielunker8438 sounds like a superpower to me.
"Which god are you going to proof exists?"
"Satan."
Off to a great start.
tbf, if you are arguing for Satan, at least it gets rid of the problem of evil ^^
I always love Seth’s smooth creamy voice.
Haha it’s true, he does have a creamy voice teeheehee
Creeeeaaaammmmyyyyy😂🤣
Me too. It's so sexy, omg.
Seth's voice is like smooth peanut butter and Matt's voice is like chunky peanut butter
I actually find it very soothing and comforting. It's very odd
God damn. Lynn's first sentence told me everything I need to know about how broken her brain is.
I know a few of these people. They all have one thing in common:
Used to or still smoke crystal meth.
As a viewer of 100s of AXP episodes, Matt and Seth are one of my favorite couplings of host/co-host. So good. I deeply appreciate Seth's patience with each caller - tracking through each and every point. Also, I appreciate Matt's valid frustration with each caller 🤣 Great balance between the 2 of you 👍🏻 Keep it up guys!
Seth's facial expressions are priceless. I realize I don't actually know you guys, but the duo of Seth and Matt make me feel like I'm having a beer around the fire with friends.
John has the same problem most theists have , will not listen.
I don't think listening was the problem in this case.
@@eve_l -- Is it not ONE of the problems?
John is ignorant and doesn't understand, but he still wants to argue a mute point.
@@casparuskruger4807 no, I think he heard what was being said, but just doesn't understand why it's a problem
The problem lies with Matt's predetermined questions based on his predetermined desired outcome supported by his predetermined world view.
Omg, John from TX… like arguing with a child who watched a single documentary on Netflix and now thinks they know everything exactly. Sad.
lol, you are 100percent correct
I love how Norock says ‘well Jesus said…..’ and then when asked how he know what Jesus said he replies with ‘I didn’t come here to talk about what Jesus said’
The caller is not equipped enough intelligently to hv an argument with the hosts.
@garyallen8824unfortunately dumb people rarely recognise their dumbness as they have neither the intelligence or capacity for self-analysis, or any awareness of the severe limitations of their comprehension whereas intelligent people are constantly subjecting their arguments to scrutiny and critical examination as that is the intelligent thing to do.
John reminds me of a 15 year old kid who still INSISTS that Santa is responsible for those presents under the tree. When you try to use logic & common sense on the kid, he just starts throwing a tantrum, putting his fingers in his ears, stamping his feet on the floor, yelling" NO NO NO NO NO!!! ITS SANTA!! ITS SANTA!! ITS SANTA I SAY!!! SANTA SANTA SANTA!!!! SAAAAANTAAAAAA!!!!!"
Less than 15 years old……that’s giving him too much credit and maturity
@@maxine2798 I agree. I'd say 6 year old tops
@@maxine2798 Considering the caller is much older than 15, it still makes a good analogy.
"Sunday christian's who know nothing"
That's my family! 😭 They've never actually read the bible, they just believe in whatever the pastor says.
"I believe the bible sez what God sez. I believe my pastor about what the book sez God sez."
Do one pushup for each direct question not answered by a theist. Qualify for the Olympics by the end of the program.
Speaking of the Olympics, we should try and push for mental gymnastics to be added. American theists would guarantee perfect scores, and every medal, for years and years to come.
Regarding John, Seth was spot on. If it has no bearing on our lives, who cares?
I think a good example is Ego from Guardians of the Galaxy. He searches for life...life like him. Life like we are is not life to him, so he doesn't care about us
I concur 👍
Eh, I mean… whether it impacts me or not, I would still want to know about it. We have plenty of examples of that through discoveries and curiosities. What a weird thing to say that just because it doesn’t effect me that I don’t want to or care to know about it or
@@mikes9393 I think they are trying to say that such a creator would not be worship worthy.
Legend has it John still isn’t listening to this very day
If the verse about "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" prohibit slavery, then it should also prohibit mistreatment of women, oppression of LGBTQ people, and pretty much every other horrible command in both the Old and New Testaments.
And mb it should apply to this god too. He really treats his creation as slaves and cattle.
A formidable duo.
2 Jedi masters. Seth only turns on his lightsaber when he needs to.
Talking with Lin is like talking with Deepak Chopra's Pinterest page. Nothing but vapid New Age woo
Yeah that was extremely frustrating..
K Hewett - You are spot-on! I also thought "Deepak!" Every response she had was what Daniel Dennett calls "deepities." Let's make one up right now...."All souls spin on the axis of the cosmos."
Insufferable nonsense
Exactly, an annoying rambling of words
I have just as little patience for her empty headed nonsense as I do for hate filled fundamentalists. It's like when people call the universe god, you're just redefining words without adding anything to the conversation. Although, the thing that burns me up the most is you could tell by the way she was talking that she think's she's being super wise and insightful.
Seth Andrews is my favorite host. He has such a unique and effective way with words and a zen like manner that is inspiring.
John's entire understanding of the topic he called in with is that someone told him "the first law of thermodynamics proves God" and he has no ability to discuss beyond that.
I'm surprised they didn't raise this issue with him, but if it's so obvious and clear cut that this fundamental law of physics proves a supernatural creator, why isn't it the consensus of scientists in these fields that a supernatural creator exists? John either has to reconcile that by going down a conspiracy rabbit hole, or acknowledge that he completely misunderstands the law.
Just to play devils advocate for a second, actually it IS the consensus of scientists in those fields that if you retrace time to the Big Bang, the laws of nature break down just before you get there, therefore it’s not inaccurate to say that it was not a natural event, possibly not even an event as we think of them to begin with.
@@gavsmith1980 It was an important event for this universe, but you can't say it was anything else. You can't labelled with terms such as "exceptional", "unique", "natural". "unnatural" and such. We simply don't know enough and there is the risk that we will never know.
However, what we can say about the big bang, is that it was a transformation, not a creation (ex nihilo), of energy into... well, all our universe is. Transformations happen all the time and they are all "natural". So the safest bet, as for now, is that even that event that started the Big Bang was caused by what we would call "natural" event or events.
@@gavsmith1980 "therefore it’s not inaccurate to say that it was not a natural event"
It is inaccurate because it's not the laws of nature that break down, it's the currently known laws of physics.
@@gavsmith1980 That's nice, but you're making a different argument than John did. You're relabeling the scientific consensus that the laws of PHYSICS break down to the laws of nature, so you can smuggle in "unnatural event".
@@nathanjora7627
The laws of nature/physics are our descriptions of how the universe operates, therefore, the known are the only ones that there are, since we’re the ones that invented them.
Updated score for those following at home...
Matt - 14,871
Biblical slavery apologists - 0
Matt is wrong 99% of the time, unless you count the times he discusses actual scripture and is fortuitously correct maybe 1% of the time.
Poor John. He's so confused!
i know, it is almost sad. sometimes it makes me feel bad that these people get indoctrinated and dont have the smarts to even , 'Reason" their way to an outside perspective. (even if they still do believe)
peace, Eturn
Lynn, put the bong down.
That was crystal meth
I really enjoy that these guys are educating religious people.. we need more of that.
Poor confused Lynn.... I guess she needs love..... more love..... lots and lots of love!!!
And crystals. And rainbows. And chakras. And sage.
And therapy. Possibly medication. Definitely a visit from some concerned friends.
@@gking407 Or she got too much medication.
Lynn was high as fuck!
@@tooluser or she was in need of a straight ....
Lynn is all the shitty philosophical dialogue from the Matrix sequels wearing a human costume
Lyn definitely does reiki and Crystal healing
Second caller "John TX" was extremely painful to listen to. Wow! If anyone ever needed education it's that guy.
unfortunately he'd probably go to a religious school to get this education and leave with a bible studies qualification rather than anything useful
@sean pick : Yes, John TX is woefully uneducated in the actual science of the Thermodynamic Laws - the 1st Law cannot be applied until the Zeroth Law is met … good luck with him proving that condition existed pre planck time.
@@chrisgrill6302 You nailed it! Lynn, on the other hand, did not.
Anyone know what strain Lynn is smoking? Asking for a friend
I think Seth is the coolest guy in the universe.
I agree.
If I had a nickle for every time matt said he was gonna let the co-host take over speaking to the caller and then didn't, I could retire lol
If Matt let his co-hosts take over, the shows would be 4 hours long.
@@biteyalmighty7874 well he's the one who constantly says "I'm gonna let [co-host] talk to you, cuz [reason]"
@@vandal280
I understand that. I'm not denying what you said.
Still, I've seen tons of AXP, Talk Heathen, The Line shows that were absolutely infuriating because the caller is whining, talking in circles, interrupting, and just generally trying to hijack the show and it's just painful to watch.
Love him or hate him, Matt usually does a great job of keeping a conversation on track. Also, he's addressed this point before. The show isn't for the callers' benefit; it's for the viewers. He tries to keep the call entertaining and on topic.
@@biteyalmighty7874 I've been watching for almost 10 years. Big fan. Yet the show has kinda gotten hard to watch lately because of Matt. Matt was one of my favorite people to listen to talk about atheism and logical fallacies, and he was absolutely instrumental in my conversion to atheism. I watch every debate of his that I can find.
But I'm not a sycophant and I can still acknowledge things I don't agree with. For example, I don't think the way he handles callers now makes for a good show. He talks over people and often ends up missing or misunderstanding what they're trying to say because he thinks he already knows and just shuts the conversation down. Not every time, but way too often. He interrupts people constantly but absolutely loses his mind if they do the same. It's gotten a bit tyrannical.
Back to my original point, I just kinda roll my eyes every time he says "OK I'm gonna let the co-host talk to you cuz I'm done" because you just know he's gonna keep talking anyway.
I don't find these things entertaining.
@@vandal280
Fair enough. I think there's a nice middle-ground between interrupting the caller and letting the caller preach and ramble in circles.
Maybe Matt needs a recalibration.
Still, I think my preference/tolerance is more on the side of interrupting the caller. Going back to my previous reply, the most unbearable conversations I've seen on these shows are 30 minute conversations where the caller repeats the same script dozens of times, dodges the hosts questions dozens of times, and tries to change the topic dozens of times. In the end, it takes half an hour to say "I believe what I believe because I want to believe what I want to believe."
Still, I see your point. Maybe you could send Matt an email?
Great show, guys!
John has obviously been coached by apologists to avoid answering any and all questions atheists ask you, because the second you begin to answer honestly, it exposes your worldview as a house of cards.
Right on. You just said something that I have been tying to say for a long time.
Exactly he is claiming a god created all but deflects away when asked to prove this god
Can you imagine if Bible characters spoke like John? 🤔
Moses: Pharaoh, the God which I worship says to tell you that He will smite your land with plague, if you do not obey His command!
Pharaoh: 😯 Does this God have a name? Who is it that you worship??
Moses: ...... I don't see how that's relevant.
None of the callers could even explain what they believed. Made the whole discussion hard to watch.
I would advise you to do your daily household chores while listening to the show. It makes some callers more bearable :)
Ever notice the worse the theist callers systematically have their claims pulverized, the more they interrupt the show's hosts?
some appear to perceive it as a personal threat so they react in kind...
@@fritzhaselnuss7852 yep.
Seth after a few minutes of Lynns woo "I'm a little up to my eyeballs in nonsensical arguments, anyway" Welcome back to the Atheist Experience, old friend.
Why are theists so anti science and anti physics but at the same time try to use science and physics to prove their little god theories?
Don't you mean they try to use science and physics but fail to do it properly?
But yea, I get what u mean, very weird
Dunning-Kruger
Dunning-Kruger
I felt a little sorry for Jackson, he identified as an atheist but it was clear he’s not quite there yet. He’s arguing that he’s living in the matrix while he’s still in it. Keep going Jackson.
Doesn’t help that Matt gets irritated at the beginning of every conversation and starts raising his voice, it will never change anyone’s mind no matter how rational
I really like Seth's point about the assumption that a creator of the universe is benevolent being a little off. The old testament actually really paints a picture of a god who is not just uncaring, but is in fact cruel and unfair. Humans just decided that they wanted to placate this god and presented him as being good because they were so afraid of him destroying them.
I think Lovecraft had the right idea there. If there were beings with that much power, there's no way we could possibly even register on their radar. I mean, the Christian God is literally defined by his relationship to us - how many Christians describe him using his desire for a relationship with us as part of his defining characteristics? Literally everything he does revolves around us. Lovecraft's gods have no such compulsion for something so insignificant.
Best voice ever after Morgan Freeman,. That's easy, Seth Andrews
don't rule out James Earl Jones ;)
@@woega or Tyson
Yes, Seth's voice is "heavenly"!!! Ha!
Narock has been rolled under the Dillahunty steamroller like no one else --and most deservedly so.
Another good show. Thanks for showing me different ways to consider the theistic viewpoint and how an atheist like myself can present my case in the hope of making it clear to others. I'm always learning new things from The Atheist Experience.
Also, stealing men implies that those men are property to be stolen. Kidnapped.
Kidnapped means illegally made property. Slavery was perfectly legal as a result of wars, poverty and willing servitude as a result of financial need or survival.
@@janicebeams1854 Yes, but it was then and it is still immoral, making your book and the god it professes immoral.
@@janicebeams1854 And you are OK with this?? wow.
@@Tiptoetherat Doesn't matter what I think. That is how it worked until Christianity made penitentiaries.
@@janicebeams1854 "Doesn't matter what I think." On that we agree.
Happy Birthday Katie!!
I love this show ;D
Lynn might be in the top 10 dumbest, most confused individuals to ever call the show
Definitely up there.
Cesar (how many species of beetle? Yet none have been to the moon.)
Ruben. (If a person 'married' an ape, would the babies...)
Edward (matter is energy, slowed down within The Natural)
The lady who became a pilot in 30 minutes.
The guy with the awesome scrotal self-surgery story...
Atheists will be consumed by the giant world-girdling Snake...
I am not "obsessed" with the question of god's existence; I am "obsessed" with other people's religion (based upon their unsupported speculation) making laws and rules which attempt to force me to live by their "morality".
Exactly... we are forced to be obsessed with it because those in power are using "god" to make decisions that effect our lives... those laws are almost always restrictive and exclusionary. Of course we want to know whether God (the cause of all these rules) actually exists. (news flash, he doesn't).
"The Atheists' Handbook to the Old Testament" was a great read. As I listened to Seth read the book, especially the first part where Dr. Josh Bowens summarized the Book of Genesis, all I could think was how absolutely bonkers the Bible is. You might be able to swallow little bits of it and not choke, but when it's laid out in front of you as a "banquet," you'd absolutely die of food poisoning if you ate the whole meal. You did a terrific job reading the book, Seth. More authors need to use you as the narrator of their books.
I LOVE THESE SHOWS!
John-Tx shows how well one has to be able to talk out of one's ass to justify one's christian beliefs.
All you have to do is read the Bible if you want to know the most true things possible. You won't find any other source of complete truth any where else. Science is perhaps 50% true maximum.
@@janicebeams1854 Nice numbers but complete bogus. Muslims will be able to produce the same numbers concerning the Q'uran but they are every bit as wrong as you are, sorry. You do know statistics show that non believers generally know the bible better than christians which is strange because physicists generally know their physics and scientists their specific science.
@@janicebeams1854 So, tell us, what truth is contained in your bible that science has no answer for?
@@xelasomar4614 Modern science is limited by time, relativity, and local perspective and follows the pagan ideology of Cain. The Bible gives you 100% truth. It isn't limited because it tells you the origins, the history and the future.
@@ottonormalverbrauch3794 I understand both the spiritual and the physics. I know the Bible pretty good.
Lyn caller -
God is love? It says in the ba-a-able that god created hell, which is the worst suffering that imagination can carry.
Is that really an expression of a loving being?
If I said to you Lyn, that I’ve created a torture chamber in my basement, and that if you don’t show me love, that I will torture you until the end if your days…and that ultimately it is your choice to either love me or face horrific punishment….
Would you still think I’m a loving person??
Of course you wouldn’t. So why does this god get an exception to this??
So silly…….
Lynn never even mentioned the bible.
Or organized religion.
Or anything at all that was coherent.
@@user-fj6kk1vo8n no. But I did.
And?
@@Domzdream You're addressing Lynn in your comment, bringing up the bible, and I'm pointing out that is irrelevant, as she didn't mention it.
Everything in the Bible describes god as a serial killer who loves torturing victims in his basement chamber of horrors. I wonder if god videotapes all his murders like typical human serial killers.
Lynn, are you just pointing to things and saying they're God?
"God is lamp! _God is lamp!_ "
Seth cut Narock apart. Narock was unable TO ANSWER THE QUESTION as it is impossible as there IS NO GOD.
Now if you were to call in to the AE hosted by Dillahunty, he would cut GAZZ MAN apart, as you can't prove there IS NO GOD. Matt would say that you don't have sufficient evidence to prove your claim. Because every Atheist is not convinced that a god exist, as there is a lack of evidence, but they do not claim absolute knowledge.
Listening to the atheist experience callers, is like Listening to myself years back.
Thank the dirt under my feet, that it ended.
One of my favorite teams!
I have been told and read a story about a giant Purple Cloud named Gorf that loves us all. And Gorf wants only the best for all of us because we are Gorf's creation. As long as we follow all the rules that other people wrote in the Book of Gorf about what Gorf wants, allows, and prohibits, we'll all be OK. Gorf is Love and Love is Gorf.
You must find Gorf, but Gorf is everywhere and everything: YOU are part of Gorf, and Gorf is a part of you. Gorf is all and everything. So, really you don't need to find Gorf because you are Gorf. And, because Gorf is infinite, nothing can be outside of or apart from Gorf. However: if anything seems amiss or out of step, that must be caused by Rorf, the evil entity who fell from grace with Gorf. However, because Gorf is infinite and everything, Rorf is also a part or aspect of Gorf. So all is as it should be would be or could be. Gorf knows everything you were, will be, or could be, so whatever you do is what you were meant to do, and all is right with Gorf.
I KNOW that Gorf exists because I have felt and experienced His presence-not that I could help it because Gorf is the all and everything: infinite and permeating all consciousness and life throughout the universe.
If you don't believe in Gorf, that's because Gorf made you with the ability to deny his existence just so he could lord that over you at the right time to prove how powerful, loving, and just he is. Gorf allowed you to be born with wicked imperfections even though you cannot be born apart from or aside from Gorf because he is infinite and you are part of Him and he is part of you, and He knows all there is to know about you and all there ever will be to know about you as you are a direct part of Him.
But since Gorf already knew everything possible about you and knew everything there could ever be to know about you, none of this makes any sense.
Gorf is Love and Love is Gorf anything else is irrelevant.
Sorry, but I was born in a different land, and there we know that the real one is Orfg, all the other ones are not. And what makes mine real is that I have faith, and there's a book that was written by Orfg and says so and the reason that what's written in the book is true, is because the book says so, and was written by Orfg.
thanks for the entertainment drew!
Great show this time.
The problem with John is that he is dense and doesn't understand
I suspect he is mad that he couldn't read his script.
If it's the god of the Bible he's certainly masochistic and malevolent.
Rich Hutchinson said: If it's the god of the Bible he's certainly masochistic and malevolent
Ron's response: Doesn't sound like your understanding of what the bible teaches is correct. The Israelite's were instructed to rid the land of all false worship including Baal worship and child sacrifice but also spared nations and people who were willing to live by God's high moral standards. The Israelite's were instructed to be friendly with their neighbors while at the same time maintain high moral standards as God's people and not allow it to spread.
@@ronhansen8471 " The Israelite's were instructed to rid the land of all false worship"
By killing everyone.
Including the children that were going to be sacrificed.
" but also spared nations and people who were willing to live by God's high moral standards."
Through enslavement.
Also, "high" moral standard includes slavery now ? That's a first one XD
"The Israelite's were instructed to be friendly with their neighbors"
And to take their slaves from them.
And the slaves they got from them were to be treated differently, worse, to be more specific, since they weren't allowed to leave after 7 years, just like the israelite female slaves, who could only leave if their masters didn't feed them and, depending on the type of slave, breed them.
I think you mean sadistic, unless the god-thing wants to be put in pain lol
no doubt, I would call him even stronger words. I m not gonna be punished for it in any way aside from fanatical cultists becoming offended taking revenge or punishment into their own hands. History makes that very clear
@@ronhansen8471 "The Israelite's were instructed to rid the land of all false worship "
So, basically kill everyone who worships anything other than God... regardless of whether they were good people or horrible people?
The first law of thermodynamics is you don’t talk about thermodynamics.
The second law of thermodynamics is YOU DON’T TALK ABOUT THERMODYNAMICS
Yes, countless people make up their own Christianity.
@@Ichabod_Jericho Reassured and measure everyone else by, but not always including themselves.
over 2000 yrs it's only got more and more convoluted from its inception as a off-shoot doomsday cult of Judaism.
Lynn is one of those New Age people that I wish the best for because they obviously mean well but I just can’t stand to be in the presence of for more than a few seconds. It’s like they are living on a different planet.
Crystal meth is the reason they're that way. All the shrooms they take too.
She honestly sounds mentally ill, but instead of classically religious delusions, they are new age based.
Tim Minchin's beat poem _Storm._
Hello all the fellow Atheists! Its good to be here! :D
I enjoyed the different approaches of both Matt and Seth. Usually, Matt just overshadows (not saying it's a bad thing) other hosts, but Seth talks a lot too and brings some understanding and patience to the table xD
I'll send you to hell if you use the FREE WILL I gave you to not believe in me
😅 Legendary stuff, I swear 🤦
its like abusive parents who set up rules they KNOW their children will break and then they just wait for their kids to overstep those rules at which point they POUNCE AND PUNISH. But somehow that makes god a loving and caring being and in the right. /boggles
Whenever I come across that concept, I inevitably see an image of a somewhat obese teen in shorts, a la Gary Larson's Far Side, holding a bic lighter above his head, while standing in front of an ant hill yelling, "if you don't believe in me and adore me, I shall burn you!".
Matt is Lilith reincarnated so naturally, he knows more about Satan than Pratfall
Haha, callback!
...boring troll is boring...
"I read the word of God" - "SHUT UP! You're never ever gonna utter these words on my show without me asking: how do you know it was the word of God?"
"I read the King James Version Bible." - "OK"
LOL
That was a really cute and fun Birthday Wishes! So, to join in, Happy Birthday Katie!
Yet again, callers try to explain what they believe when they basically have no idea what they believe. It's a tragic comedy watching how these inarticulate callers try desperately to express inconsistent beliefs using fallacious arguments, and then keep accusing the hosts of not understanding what they are saying. No, the hosts have heard all this crap before and already know that the callers have no idea what they believe. Most of it is just the same old idiotic Bible Babble that ultimately can't even be made into a coherent idea. It's hard to blame the callers for not being able to make sense out of the self-contradictory hodgepodge of the Bible, but it is inexcusable to think that such incoherent nonesense can be defended rationally. That's an impossible stretch, and I think that's what aggravates Matt the most. He seems so happy and sometimes even patient when someone actually knows and can explain what they think, even if it's completely wrong. But theists who actually know what they think are rare.
For most people, laypeople, the average Joe, they never engage in ideas at the depth that these hosts do. Matt especially is formidable because he has academic knowledge of logic and philosophy. I am college educated and enjoy philosophy and even I would have sounded like any of these typical callers if Matt is handling the situation. Don't underestimate how hard it is to debate at this level. I give these people credit for calling in and having questions, even if they have a loose grasp of the subject they hold close to heart.
It's only when they call in with an agenda that the hosts expertly shut down that I would join you in your chiding. For all the rest, cut them some slack man.
I think I know what I think.
@@janicebeams1854 But is what you believe evidentially true?
@@janicebeams1854 Knowing what one thinks is not the same as understanding what one thinks.
@@xelasomar4614 Evidently yes.
I love you Matt and Seth!
And our first caller today, John from Texas, CEO of Dunning-Kruger Inc.......
Oh, did he take over from Kent Hovind?
I love how Seth just sits there and smiles while Mr. Law of thermodynamics goes on and on.
I chose Lynn as the la-la land caller of this episode
My approach to Satan is that there is no reason to believe that he exists and he is not necessary to understand evil. I then apply Occam's razor, and Satan disappears in a puff of logic.
Totally, but it's still fuckin metal
when I was a child I was fearful of the darkness believing monsters and demons were hiding within. When I grew up I continue to be fearful of the dark but now its for completely different reasons. This "growing up" part is a natural absolute for me, its the norm and nothing extraordinary but looking at so many callers it seems like many many people in the world never got to to grow up
Matt: "Today we have a birthday in our crew, so please watch this special message!"
RUclips: *plays a dishwasher ad*
20:44
"And you don't know how the universe originated"
"Yes I do"
I fell laughing 🤣Oh John
That guy "Paolo DC" sounded very much like a muffled Ontangelo. Fact, did you know that Ontangelo can be respelled as "A Long Note?" The more you know. Good show Math and Seth. I would love it to see Matt, when hanging up on callers, say "No, no, no, your done. Bad bye" and not "Goodbye."
I love Seth's epistemology. This guy is good 👍🏾
John Tx - misses the point - 'Energy can't be created or destroyed - only change form" the thing is that at the initial expansion the energy changed from the form in which it existed before the singularity to what it was after
Best episode so far
If satan 's there to punish bad people, wouldn't that make him one of the good guy's?...............ha
The first law of thermodynamics is you do not talk about thermodynamics.
I prefer the three laws of infernal dynamics.
David Gerrold:
1) An object in motion will be moving in the wrong direction.
2) An object at rest will be in the wrong place.
3) The energy required to move an object in the correct direction, or put it in the right place, will be more than you wish to expend but not so much as to make the task impossible.
@@cnault3244 one of these days he will give us the last of the Cthor books.
@@freakyzed8467 I stopped holding my breath for that. The first 3 were good. But I think his best novel was "The Man who folded himself".
Seth was amazingly sharp at handling the start of the conversation with Narock. I was impressed
Seth and Matt, I greatly appreciate what you do
I love it when Seth is on.
Love the Picard poster on Seth's wall, so he hasn't left all fiction stories behind...
Nurak - A painter CANNOT do "whatever he wants with his paints" he can only PAINT with them. He cannot build himself a shelter, hunt or gather food with it, kill his enemies, etc. He can ONLY paint with it....This was a deeply painful call, Nurak is so deeply indoctrinated he's not even capable of answering simple questions...
That wasn't the point he was making. It wasn't about the utility of being a painter. It was how we accept that a painter is free to do with the paintings as they see fit. It is THEIR paintings so if they want to keep them, they can do so, if they want them destroyed, they are free to do so and we do not question this. So then, why do we question god 'the painter' when he chooses to let bad things happen to us, 'the paintings'?
It was a cheap move to hand wave away all of the shitty parts of the bible and the world as it works around us.
Seth's face during John's call is golden!
The laws of thermodynamics apply only in a closed system.
Just once, this need to be said.
Exactly. I think Seth and Matt were going to get to that after John answered one simple question honestly. Unfortunately, as John was unable or, more likely, unwilling to answer even one question, we never quite got to it. It’s almost like John is a massively dishonest bumblenugget. 🤷🏻♂️
The laws of thermodynamics apply to all physical systems.
@@janicebeams1854 no they don’t. The second law specifically applies to a closed system… which the Earth is not. Now take your Cosmology of David, and quit posing as women on the internet. Creep.
@@Heathen.Deity. Yes, it does as the cosmos is an isolated system where the 2nd law applies. Thermodynamics applies to all physical systems in the cosmos.