00:00 Intro 01:31 Mercy-(CN) | Primed To Experience The Holy Spirit 21:24 Enoch-PA | Recently Deconverted And Looking For A Community 28:30 Calvin-CA | Asking Why A Story Happened Rather Than If It Happened 33:18 Jan-DE | The Only Explanation For God Is Advanced Technology 46:52 Robert-TX | God Is An Introvert 54:20 Eric-CA | Well You Must Have Never Been A True Believer 1:04:53 David-OR | The Resurrection: Real Or A Mass Hallucination 1:12:47 Death With Dignity 1:17:17 Zeres-IL | Provide Premises Not Questions 1:23:35 Sohaib-(CA) | The Plagues In Egypt Were Real 1:26:55 Sam-CA | What's Wrong With Deism 1:37:07 Outro
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I'm an atheist and yet raised my children as Catholics because I promised my wife I would. Catholic school and regular church attendence. My kids are now adults and they are both Atheists. The same with all their friends except one.
I became an atheist before I heard about this show, but ever since I started watching, I've learned a lot more about fallacies and arguments that I wasn't able to debunk myself before. Looking things up is a MASSIVE help in almost any disagreement, and to do so without the hinderance of confirmation bias. Well done everyone on the team for helping strengthen honesty and science and discovery for everyone.
When Matt treated Sahaib by hanging up, he said he was "moving on" because Sahaib wasn't paying attention to him. GOOD CALL! This ought to happen more often. If they don't listen, why should you continue to engage with them. Kudos!
Yeah, things were happened in old Egypt and two or three were written down on some steles and walls, mostly in Karnak. That's true, but neither were they happened after another, nor are all of these events happened exactly so like it's written in the bibel. He heard some of it and it fitted his biased views. The rest is only in his mind and in the bibel, and like the most believers he resist a clarification on it.
I agree. And its one thing if they just miss something but ask for clarification or ask them to repeat because they missed something, but yeah, he wasn't listening, and if you aren't willing to have a two way discussion, you aren't worth the viewer or the host's time.
@Justin Gary Only theist rely on confirmation bias, without it you have nothing. Hence the hatred for Science and Intellectual honesty etcetera 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Listening to Mercy I had tears in my eyes by the end of her call, because I know the feeling that she's going through right now after being stuck in for over 30 years. I hope she continues the journey and free her mind. The way I feel now from how I felt as a believer is like night and day. I almost feel like I just started really living. I'm not saying this is for every atheist but I'm the happiest that I've ever been and I hate I didn't make this choice a long time ago. I'm over 4 years in as an atheist now. Best thing I ever did for myself. You guys handled her very well. Seems to have helped.❣️
Well done to you. Religion creates cognitive dissonance and fundamentalism in minds. Not to mention suspension of critical thinking. All the best to you
@@fredodonnell3323 People tend to remember the correct details in a seance but overlook statements or events that provide no evidence of paranormal powers.
danyellwar77: what do you do differently that causes you to feel that you now are 'really living' that you didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do when you were a believer?
I went through it so young I didn't really realize that I was going through it. Just started reading the Bible one day around about 19 yo and got tired of talking myself into tricking people like I believed it.
Robert: I know a (once) pastor with a theological degree, who decided to go to a secular university to study comparative religions. He is now an atheist. Presumably, he revised his position after studying anthropology and ancient history.
@@Ichabod_Jericho There is money 💰 in religion big money. Book sales too. I haven’t heard a sermon on praying alone. Matthew 6.5-8. All the evidence for Osiris or Anubis? What about Zeus?
Matt is just unbelievably good to listen to when he’s not pissed off and when he’s conversing with honest interlocutors or people who actually wanna have a reasonable conversation. I love this guy!
And when he shuts down vegans or anyone questioning anything that triggers him (trans rights, fir ex) he is horrific, despotic and an absolute dictator
@46:52 Matt forgot the 1st Peter thing about having the good reason for your faith ready to give to people asking questions. @1:26:55 That Deist should teach his child how deeply people are forced to value their religious beliefs through weekly peer-pressure reinforcement in tax-free/paper-work-free organizations and use them as short-cut thinking for pretty much a LOT of things especially when they have to do with friends, family, and neighbors. If the upcoming mention is the case, his young child should stop thinking he has the answers to everything black and white, and learn to respect intelligently and help kindly the rest of his family.
The dietary laws interpreted correctly. It is not about food it is types of people. Swine=people who cry out for the lord when they are in need and forget there lord when they have received. Eagles=basically ruthless robbers who would even take your food. fish with no scales= ungodly men Who have rejected God and accept satan. Hear=unnatural lusts. Hyena=adultury. Weasel=someone who defies scripture. Interpreted correctly this is not about food but types of people. God advise us not to associate with. people of this nature. So you don't become one of them. By doing as they do or follow there ways or for your own protection an saftey plus incase you are seduced by other gods and reject the lord and lose your salvation the bible teacher's turn from sin. But what is sin. And the answer is mans understanding of scripture. The father is spirit and the law was written by him. So the 10 commandments are to be understood in the spirit. The holy spirit or ruach is wind and wind is doctrine in bible code/logos/spiritual understanding/rock. And the scripture was written by the holy spirit though men. So there was an earthly meaning and a spiritual meaning. When jesus came he was teaching in the spirit. And when he said if you can't understand earthly things how can he tell us about heavenly things. So when you can understand them you will know about heavenly things. Because he used keys and types of people for keys among other things to speak to us so we can and need to know how to hear God's voice. If we want to understand scripture the way God intended it to be understood
@@Apocryphile1970-check_it You should invest less in dodgy people foods and invest more in linebreakes. They're easy to use, they break up long stretches of text and makes replies easier and quicker to read.
@@Apocryphile1970-check_it Also, if God intended it to be understood it would be understood and there would be no possible way around understanding it. Your irrational over complicated system is the furthest from how an existant god would communicate. God is supposed to be omniscient thus all from God would per definition be accurate, clear, concise and honest. Unless he's a deceitful bastard. Under your all good omniscient premise, we should in no way believe, expect or assume that God ought to communicate like the Antagonist in Saw or the Riddler from Batman.
@@guytheincognito4186 the way the scripture is wrote is like this it tells you what things mean and if you teach something different than the scripture can expose you so it is also a teaching lock a deliberate and intended thing God has done he is great our LORD
I've witnessed first hand, in my husband and in-laws (and a good portion of the people I'm surrounded by in SE Alabama), the effect that faith has on the way they approach the world. Their political beliefs and tendency to believe in conspiracy theories seems to point to a dismissal of evidence in general.
Growing up in AL led me to think of the term "glorification of ignorance" before I even read that famous quote from Demon-Haunted World--it just sums it all up so well.
What conspiracies are you referring to? Any skeptical individualshould have no trust in our government or institutions at this point. No, I'm not a Christian.
@@travisn346 Not trusting the government is not the same thing as believing conspiracies. If I must rattle one off, "the big lie" is extremely popular.
@@nameforcomments4092 I was expecting her to refer to vaccines, 5G, chemtrails, and/or other polarizing arenas. I may never wear it, but I'll keep my tinfoil hat on the rack just in case. Roll Tide!
@@travisn346 Hahaha well I don't want to assume what OP has seen, but cultist alt-right stuff is what I see the most. Not saying I haven't seen any crazy left-wing folks or other things either, but the "big lie" stuff is currently the most rampant *and* malicious from what I've seen.
Of course, Ancient Egypt had plagues, floods and droughts. Jim is correct, there is red algae. The dynasties covered 2,500 years. During the time of Rameses II, there was a drought. His enemies the Nubians, asked for food and Rameses agreed to help.
Today's show was amazing!! I love Matt and Jim's duo! And all the calls were interesting. I'm so happy Enoch got to deconvert! I wish a good future ahead for Enoch and everyone in axp, as well as anyone reading this!
@@smochygrice465 What? Why would daylight savings time (which is a global thing and I'm on the other side of the world, pretty much exactly on the other side of the world in Sweden) preclude you from watching it live?
@@michaelmay5453Ah, because of the time shift the show is now on when my son is up getting ready for school. So now I watch it the same time I normally would before daylight savings which after he has been dropped off to school. Peace
@@smochygrice465 Ah, that explains it. It just seemed strange and I was wondering if it was some Australian upside down youtube thingy. :D My kids are since long out of the house and I'm on vacation so while it is the middle of the night I could watch it live but I don't. I prefer the time stamps to navigate. :) I hope that you and your son are doing well and peace to you too. :)
@@ookeekthelibrarian My favourite Aussie besides the two I've worked with is Tim Minchin. Whenever I need to strengthen my soul after some harassment from a theist I watch "Tim Minchin - American Beliefs" either with or without "I Love Jesus".
"I was a skeptic long before I applied it to my religious beliefs"...That pretty much sums up my experience. In my last year as a believer, sitting on my patio, a question came to mind, "Why do I believe in a god?". It occurred to me that people around me, whom I viewed as less skeptical, had taught and reinforced god-belief since childhood. Who in turn were taught in their childhoods, etc. I realized straightaway this was bad reasoning. For several months, I went looking for good reasons to believe. Within a year I was an atheist. It all started with an honest answer to an honest question that I had simply never considered before.
Great comment. I had a similar experience. I, too, was taken by the observation “I was a skeptic long before I applied it to my religious beliefs”. Thanks for sharing.
@Heartland Heathen He's not the only Enoch that has called in. There was another Enoch who had a different voice than this caller and was absolutely unbearable.
Also, we applaud and celebrate being right FIRST wasaaayyyyyyyy too much versus celebrating HOW we got there. It’s as if it’s better to be right through guessing first than figuring things out and finding an answer last.
Matt and Jim watching you on u tube and I love the way you are up front and tell like it is. Along with Seth. You guys are great. I'm 73 and just deconverted 2 months ago and never looking back. Thank you. Keep up the great work
I've been listening to this show for quite awhile, and I've watched Matt's debates. Tonight, for the first time, I had a visual of Matt giving advice as a pastor, and I can't stop giggling.
The most interesting question when I talk to christians is : Is Satan a smart being? YES : Then why does he bet with god? He should know that god knows everything in advance so he can't win NO: How can a dumb being deceive so many people (if he really exists )
Asking if Satan was smart brings up an interesting idea, however a rather irrelevant one. Even smart humans do dumb things or things that are bad for them, repeatedly. Satan's problem is an ego-based one, in that he desired his own glory alongside of God. Narcissism blinds to reality.
@@theincantrix1144 But then why was an angel created that could rebel? Satan (or Lucifer before he fell) KNEW that god is real and his power was absolute so why would he think he could take control? It seems like God’s problems are ego driven. He demands fealty at the point of a sword, is jealous, wrathful, and vengeful and blames humans for his failures. God could in an instant demonstrate his existence to everyone simultaneously. He doesn’t I’ve been told because of his narcissistic need to be “loved” and his demand that everyone needs “faith” over evidence. He punishes people who don’t believe in him with eternal torture, to scare them into loving a monster. You can’t claim those are “good” things, but god demands you call cruelty “love/good/moral” or you’ll be punished. He seems devoid of the concept of love. It’s all just a circle that begins and ends with “cuz god says so” and you’re not allowed to not be convinced, much less question anything.
I have never seen the part of the bible that explains where satan come from. I hate to assume, but seems to me satin must be one of the other gods found in the OT. But if god is god, then he could just unthink him.
For Jan - instead of the charlatan Deepak Chopra's Chicken Soup for the Soul, think of McDonald's instead - it's Fast Food for the Soul. Quick and easy answers don't get us where we need to be. The internet these days convinces us we're all geniuses bc we read a few articles. Deconversion often involves a lot more education than believers ever will even consider taking on...
Right on. Unfortunately most people on social media only read the titles of articles that already confirm their biases. Then they click ‘Share’ and Voila! They are knowledgeable, engaged, etc. When in reality they’re fucking clueless.
Going on the call and Jan responses, his odd ideas I think predate the internet. Coming from the particular period myself, there were plenty of supposed "non-fiction" books with very odd ideas about 'mythical' concepts. The Ancient Aliens wacky concept predates modern media by a hundred or more years and has connections right back into various 19th century occult movements. Hell the concept of ancient knowledge of select "wise" few goes all the way back to gnosticism 2000+ years ago. The lack of knowledge of the wiki article tends to suggest Jan's poorly researched concepts predated the internet by sometime.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q Well I know that Charles Fort speculated about ancient aliens in the 1920s ("New lands" I think) but he was never really serious about any of his speculations. Helena Blavatsky may have had something to say about it but I haven't read much by the Theosophists.
Congrats to Enoch for deconverting! I remember some of your calls, and I was shocked to hear you say you deconverted! You must have been working through a lot, and that is awesome!
Mercy in China sounds like she'd greatly benefit from a dose of DERREN BROWN! In his 2cd episode of "FEAR and FAITH" he converts people on the spot, via completely secular means! It's a must-see for believers and non-believers!
Derren Brown is a real ace! His faith healing expose was a huge benefit for me coming from a place where people think faith healing is not only real, but “better than secular medicine”. I can’t count the times I’ve asked “how could we DEMONSTRATE the efficacy of faith healing” only to be met with “I saw a lady with one leg shorter than the other and we all saw the preacher make her leg as long as the other one”. When you bring up the failures of faith healing they either refuse to acknowledge it, claim there’s never been an instance where it didn’t work, blame the one being healed, or just play victim. But chemotherapy is a scam, and New Age secular nonsense like crystal healing is satanic. Then since it’s satanic and so are you if you don’t bow to their god, they tell me that I believe in crystal healing even though I’ve claimed I’m not only unconvinced I have reasons to think it flat out doesn’t work.
@@mistersippi2945 You weren't the only one thinking about Derren Brown, and hoping Matt - who has mentioned him before on the show, would suggest looking at his stuff. Think JREF really missed an opportunity before James Randi died to have Derren take over as the public face of the organisation because they both were in similar spaces.
As a fellow Canadian I am truly sorry for the sewage actions of Zere. He in no way reps all of Canada. There are some of us up here that actually use their brains. Much love Matt. And Jim.... You have come a long ways in your hosting skills since you first started. Much love as well.
@Jimmy Kirk After what you just said here, I am still really amazed that you people can still dress yourselves. Read what you wrote back to yourself. Now, does it still seem an intelligent statement? Level up, for Christ sake...
@@ookeekthelibrarian It's the same troll again. I kept him busy until 8 hours ago, since then he appeared as "Sir Francis Snowflake" (1 month old account) and "Jimmy Kirk" (1 day old account).
I was interested in what Sahaib thought was 'Extra-Biblical evidence' for the plagues of Egypt, while I'm not an Egyptologist I've got friends that are and from discussion with them and their text books that I've read there isn't any that even vaguely seems linked to those claims. Shame we couldn't hear anything specific to debunk.
More often than not, they claim the “extra biblical sources” include the Ipuwer papyrus, which is misinterpreted by believers in every way. Ipuwer has often been cited as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away. This assertion has not gained acceptance among scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil. 1) 1) Enmarch, Roland (2011). "The Reception of a Middle Egyptian Poem: The Dialogue of Ipuwer and the Lord of All". In Collier, M.; Snape, S. (eds.). Ramesside Studies in Honour of K. A. Kitchen (PDF).
@@ajclements4627 I was thinking he was referring to the Ipuwer Papyrus as well. That's probably where the Israelites got the idea of the 10 plagues from. We know they were big fans of modifying the myths of the religions and cultures around them for their own myths.
For Mercy from China - read some Emily Dickensen or other great poetry. It takes a lot more work than believing in a god or holy spirit, but the spiritual rewards are actually true and worth your time! Mercy seems cool as all get out, and I hope she just keeps opening her mind to 6billion people in the world, as opposed to submitting to the closed mind that religion (re ligare to bind) demands.
@@jjevans1693 Yes, but we should admit that they provide something, satisfy a psychological need that is otherwise hard to cover. We know there is a brain area that when triggered electrically or via drugs produces spiritual feelings. Imho religion was created to satisfy that area. And non-religion has not found a good substitution for the same purpose. And important, religion offers beautifully simple solutions, "just follow me, and you are always right", and real life does not provide that. It requires you to think, and especially to question YOURSELF constantly. How ugly.
@@feedingravens Meditation is non theist and it covers that brain area fine as does various compounds you can shoot up your arm, or snort through the nose. Music and a calm relaxed mind kind do it, even a decent dose of serotonin in the brain during your brightest walk outside in the sun. Just saying there's no non theistic methods is just disingenuous.
HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS me: so god is dead? NO HES GOD me: you just said god died, how can a god die...? and if he didnt die, then what was the sacrifice?? ANGRY CHRISTIAN FACE
He died in the flesh. God the father who is spirit cant die. So yes it was a sacrifice because he didn't have to do anything... but instead he bore the sins of the world and suffered because of it. Jesus could have gotten off of the cross or called Angles down... but he did the will of the father... and that was the sacrifice. 1 Peter 2:24: “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
@@willemrm4033 it was considered what he went through. In the Bible Jesus says... Father let this cup pass from me. He was battling the flesh... he was fully man, perfect... but his human side still struggled with the torture that was yet to come. There was also a time where he lost all connection to God the father... and cried out... Father Why have you forsaken me... at that point the weight of the entire world's sin was on his shoulders.... and Jesus lost connection to the father because God could not look upon sin. Still not much of a sacrifice unless "God the son" was, or became, nothing but flesh. He was flesh... John 1:14 - Jesus Christ, the Word of God in the Flesh. We all have a spirit... that is how we connect to God. When a person in their heart accept Jesus... God places his Spirit within them... it's not the physical heart, but the spiritual heart... Act 2:38 So yeah... lol it wasn't like.. I am God this is a piece of cake I feel no pain... no Jesus felt all of it alright and more
The person in chat who said Matt didn't read the whole article has never written a thesis. XD if you read every article you sourced in a thesis it would probably take 10 years at Ph.D. level lol.
Black folks use "fall out" & "pass out" interchangeably, especially when interacting with different generations of Black people. Also when in a formal, professional setting the phrase "pass out" may be used. When talking to their respective friend group or a more relaxed social setting, the phrase "fall/fell out" will be prominently used. Some would claim & consider it to be 'code switching.'
He folks are quite old now, and having been catholic myself, there can be a real jewish mother guilt dynamic in those relationships. I think his folks probably know he doesn't believe anymore but remember there an aspect of "if we don't ask and he doesn't tell we can pretend everything is fine" going on. Catholics remember believe you can go to heaven if you've been baptised catholic and get the last rites on your deathbed. Everything else is just cream on top in terms of the religion.
dave. let's say 1 guy writes down "1. I just watched a dude walk across a lake. 2. The 499 other people who are also totally here also totally saw the same thing." are the only optios a) 500 people saw an actual guy walk across an actual non-frozen water lake. Or b) 500 people just imagined a guy walked across a lake. Is "guy made up the whole thing" an option? Is "story was told, retold...morphed...made more interesting?...and eventually written down" an option? Are there other options?
It’s definitely an option, but generally when this subject is debated, even when Matt debates it they tend to argue over what is called the minimum facts, so even atheist maybe for the sake of debate concede that the disciples had some experience. The generally reply by apologist is that the most common argument used by non believe to explain these experiences is mass Hallucination, which they argue is the most improbable and ad hoc theory. What I noticed is that it doesn’t have to be one mass hallucination, but several events that later got weaved into a singular narrative. Which seems to be what the biblical accounts actually say, I also brought up the James Randi ufo radio hoax as an example of people all having a made up experience that was weaver together into a narrative . But again what do I know I’m just some rando.
@@davidtbeason 1. To clarify. Are you caller Dave? Or coincidence Dave? Both have happened to me here. So I am checking. 2. I don't accept the premise that mass hallucination is the most common...or even often mentioned explanation. In the axp circle at any rate. CS Lewis offered lunatic, liar, or lord. He llleft out legend. And others. But far more common is "it's the claim, not the evidence. we don't know that or anything like it actually happened. No explanation needed." Made up. Or grew in telling and retelling. The evolution of stories is...they don't survive unless they're interesting. People telling a story...make it (more?) interesting.
@@davidtbeason Basically "Well how do you explain the empty tomb, then??" What empty tomb? The one in the story? Written by folks who were using "hey, empty tomb!" as a big tada moment. To sell their guy. In their story. The bible is just the claims. If it says Jerusalem is a place and a donkey talked... Jerusalem being a place doesn't mean bible true and donkey talked. Means ppl put Jerusalem in their talking donkey story.
To Mercy in China: The ambiguity that makes it difficult for you to believe it all is the same ambiguity that makes it difficult for others to give up their beliefs...
DAVID - OR: When the police are to interrogate a group, it is important that they separate the group as soon as possible. If they are given the opportunity to talk to each other, the stories will begin to resemble each other very quickly ... even for neutral witnesses. When they then recall the memory later, it is likely that it is this common variant of the events they remember. In this process, sometimes extra assertive people will often win with their version, while those who are more uncertain about what they saw will align the story with their version. Sometimes they think that it was they themselves who experienced things they demonstrably could not have experienced. For example, if a group sees something from one side of an airplane, someone sitting on the other side of the airplane will also report seeing it, even though this could not possibly have been the case. There is also a problem that someone who reports an incident will often interview those who are most eager to talk, and then he attributes to the group what one person said. When you then summarize, it looks like 500 saw something, but maybe only one of them was asked.
52:40 I feel this caller’s frustration. I was in ministry for a decade. I travelled to several countries, put all of my life into Christianity, my wife and 2 children lived on a bus and it sucked and it was hard but I did it out of sheer belief. So, when people pull the “you weren’t a true believer” shit on me I fume SO hard.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.” Charles McKay.
No one who believes in the myth of god thinks it through. God sent his son according to the fable to save everyone. But who are we to be save from, well its god of course. He basically says that we are all born sick and now he commands us to get well. All the time knowing we can't live to the god standard. So, he has to come down as a man, had a bad weekend (human sacrifice) came back to life and went back to sky home to continue to live forever. So, he paid for man's sin, sins that he says we do like eat clams etc. This all happened because two people ate from a tree he said not to. This all took place 6 thousand years ago where some folks live almost a thousand years. Right.
" God sent his son according to the fable to save everyone" And the reason he does this is because ( according to the Bible) he is an idiot. He wouldn't have to send his son to save us if he hadn't put the forbidden fruit in the garden. And the entire salvation through Christ story makes no sense. If you steal my car & after selling my car you return months later and ask me to forgive you I would either forgive you or not forgive you. I wouldn't say :I can forgive you, but before I can do that I need to have my neighbors beat my son up".
Mercy's story was kinda relatable. When my mom was looking for a "church family" We went to one church where the pastor would lay hands on people and they would "fall out" My mom egged me to go up to the alter along with her. The pastor laid his hands on me and kept like pushing on my forehead like come on bro fall. I just stood there like ummm. No. I didn't fall and i was meant to feel like there was something wrong with me. I'm an athiest now and i now know that it was a bullshit. Just crazy to look back on all that.
I became an atheist at an all-boys catholic school at 16yo back in 1992 after reading with fantastic Lit and History professors. I was an altar server and part of every youth organization a catholic could name. I also had sports, was involved in youth theater, and happened to realize I was a guy who liked guys. It was a tough but amazing journey I even thought Ayn Rand was my messiah for awhile, but children get over that! Enoch's gonna be just great!
The call from Jan reminds me of David Bowie’s song “Loving The Alien” Which explicitly explains the idea of gods being aliens in two ways: As possible “ETs” - and as the concept that if a God isn’t “from” earth, it is alien to earth and therefore alien to us (to the extent that such a god should even exist at all).
About the hallucinations and fake drugs. I did a test at uni making a fake weed cake with some green food dye and Mixed herbs. We all took a slice and I acted along pretending to be high. To my surprise five of my other housemates started to feel the affects and two had to lie down! It’s amazing how easily is to trick the brain 😂 (on the other hand it could of been down to my bad baking)
You can go neo-lithic and prehistoric, too. Why make our ancestors survive an Ice Age that significantly dwindled populations, as well as other near-extinction events? Did those suffering masses have a personal relationship with a god? Where is THEIR bible?
Is there a way for God to intervene without eliminating free will? If you had the option to completely give up your free will to live the rest of your life as an observer with no control over your body in order to live in a world with no crime, would you?
@@UCLAdrummer Free will is a theological concept invented for this very purpose. "I am the good, and I create evil." That is Dueteronomy. Then you must answer why this deity seems so close to certain people when an ancient book came into being, then a relationship with it has to be asserted on an individual level later on. A god that intervenes and even controls history vs a god that you just think you have little talks with on a daily basis. If you were in a relationship where one day the person was all about being in love with you, and the next day didn't seem to give a shit - how long would it take for you to have serious questions about that supposed bond? So called free will has absolutely nothing to do with actions we take in the world, it is SOLELY a theological choice of whether you "choose" to believe or not. It is a difficult concept to navigate after being taught for so long that it is the same thing as whether you just make some bad decisions in life or not, but they are distinctly different things. Hope that helps...
@@UCLAdrummer sure there is! Stopping a serial killer doesn’t affect his victims free will one bit, it only stops the killer from imposing his evil will on others. The killer is stopping the free will of his victims!
Thank you, Matt. Ed Brayton was a friend of mine as well. I miss him. He was a great asset to the secular community and promoter of secular humanism. He epitomized what a "good atheist" should be and what we should all strive towards. I am also glad that he is no longer in pain.
I attended a Church-in-Wales primary school to age eleven. School took us to church regularly, school prayers every morning, sermon from local vicar on Fridays, Bible stories laid out as history. The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost bit puzzled me. The earliest question on religion I can remember was at age six or seven wondering why God was wandering around in a white sheet with holes for eyes making woooing noises. I have not believed in any god since. Does 5hat make me a lifelong atheist? 🙂
That reminds me a bit of my primary and highschool experience. St Kieran's Primary and St Paul's Catholic College Manly, both in Sydney New South Wales. Saying prayers at the start of assembly, church services at the attached church, etc etc. I think I also started doubting around age 10, when I started learning about science and the miracles of Jesus. A man walking on water etc etc?? The response: "you don't want to be an ATHEIST! They're disgusting people with no morals." And the other usual slander about people who aren't convinced by bullshit.
I remember when I was in the 6th grade, some 4th grader decided to mix a weird concoction of foods that don't go together. Like many kids do for fun, or for the yuck factor. And the crowd reaction by the other 4th graders was glorious. One person got nauseous at the sight and vomited, triggering a vomiting reaction in a bunch of the other classmates, and it was a hysterical vomitfest, with kids vomiting, complaining of stomach aches, and just going AWOL. All because of what one person did and one other person's reaction. That is some true power of suggestion that I witnessed (years ago). And, the falling out thing, I can relate to. When I was 13, my family was temporarily homeless and we lived in a Baptist church. During weekday services it was customary to have communal prayer, singing, speaking in tongues, and falling out. Once I saw a preacher touch my aunt, and she fell out, in front of me. Which I found bizarre cuz at home that was never the case when my family did prayer.
Robert TX - What if there is a god or devil who is fooling you? How do you tell the difference? A god that hides is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist.
The Mohenjo-Daro claim is traced back to a false reading from a Russian study that was published in Russian in 1965. Subsequent investigations picked up and corrected the error.
Nothing better ever written on suicide than The Myth of Sisyphus...sometimes it should be acknowledged that it is a valid philosophical stance, even in sound mind
Zeres: "The way I present arguments is through questioning." Riiight, and that's about as useful as ordering at a restaurant using mental telepathy. If your argument requires audience participation, you're doing it wrong. I flat out refuse to play that reindeer game with apologists.
He started with "argument coming, but question first" thing. As, I'm noting, is common lately. But he apparently slid into his "argument" questions...without mentioning that he had begun. Socratic Method. > Socratic Meathead?
@@scambammer5940 Including, but not limited to... "hey, I'm just asking questions here:." And cold reading. "Is there a male with either J or T?... ... ... No, I didn't think so." cuz no hit.
Romans 9:20 convinced me it was all BS. I was never really a believer, but I tried to believe for a little while. But the whole "God has fitted some vessels for destruction" thing just got me. It's like God could save me if He wanted to save me and if He doesn't, then there was never anything I could do about it. It pretty much negates the whole idea of free will, in my opinion. If my heart is hardened to God, it's because He hardened my heart (like with Pharoah). I agree that if there is a God, He's not a very kind being if this is His stance.
If suicide was just simply turning off.. I would have done so already. Unfortunately, the fear of what death feels like forces me to say "why rush it?" Still.. the monotony of this life for the past 30 years, it really would be nice to just not take part in it any longer. (this is an example of something that isn't a physical medical issue, I am not looking for a discussion on this *at all*)
@@markburch6253 Being happy or unhappy has nothing to do with the god belief. I know plenty of unhappy theists.. my issue has nothing to do with being unhappy either.
After being raised from birth in an ultra religious family where my father was a lay minister, losing my religion was a process, often with great difficulties and phases. I was in my mid to late 50s before becoming atheist.
It’s always entertaining when people say things like “it had to be an atomic blast” then act like they’re not making a claim, they’re asking questions when you ask for a demonstration. People who are indoctrinated or given to fantasy never ask “how could this be true” because they assume that since they think it it must be true. They use the Bible as a way to say that they have the authority of god on their side so they can say “well god wouldn’t let me think this if it weren’t true”!
@@mistersippi2945 A nuclear blast leaves a characteristic signature. That signature hangs around for a very long time. The prevalence of fission products makes it possible to date the explosion.
Matt's remarks from 18:00 to 18:44 succinctly describe not only the motivation for religious thinking but the motivation for most human behavior. Understanding that motivation would go a long way in helping theists *dispassionately* analyze the claims/teachings of their religions.
I would love to do an experiment were me and another person go to a pentacostal (not sure if that is how to spell it) mass and me not pay attention and just go through the motions and another person pay attention and if he touches me and nothing happens but he touches the one paying attention and it does it is all priming and psychological ways the preacher is doing. Sorry if i had bad grammar but i hope the premise of the experiment got to whoever reads this.
I’m an Australian, our aboriginal people are the best trackers in the world. They have an amazing sixth sense to track and find animals or people. They along with Sherlock Holmes could follow Jesus Christ, but will never find him because he doesn’t exist.
@Gods Servant . What a wonderful piece of useless philosophy. No doubt suggesting that I find your elusive ghost. What a pity you have zero proof of its existence, otherwise you can have yourself a Nobel prize.
Mercy: Causing a person to fall down as done by 'ministers' is a basic Aikido method that is very gentle, can look and feel the same as the preachers; and results in a fall that leaves the 'partner' in disorienttation for a few seconds after the fall. If you are practicing aikido with a partner you know why you fell and feel disoriented. If a preacher does it, it is magic, it's the spirit. Aikido has many forms to help your partner fall, this form is just a very friendly intro. The founder of Aikido Merihei Ueshiba attempted to pass on his methods. Many Aikido schools only teach different parts, and few show this method as it is not a method used in practice, only a demo.
Pentecostalists are truly amoung the most hysteria-prone of the myriad x-tian sects.crying and screaming,rolling around on church floors.drooling,mouthfoaming and seizure like behavior, all primed by group support ,intense expectations and buried subconscious desires that are projected according to a certain pattern,i personally experienced shakti-power transmissions while a sannyasin in the Rajneesh movement and allthough the experiences were powerfull i soon came to know they were produced within my own mind and Not some external factor...
When i deconvered many years ago as a Roman Catholic.... what helped me was the fact that my body can feel that same way without any sky daddy involvement. With God, the body is just a shell. Without God, the body becomes infintly more power then said imaginary friend.
This so true.I am a recovered christian now athiest.I used to behave in a similar fashion thinking that I was a superior being in church and that if I manifested then it was a sign of reconciliation..but I was so wrong.I know it's fake and just a product of one's mind .if I had to share your comments with my family they tend to take it personally as an attack of satan.unfortunately they have resolved to not accept correction of any kind as they think it's from the devil.
Some Baptists do that too. Some of the churches I would visit do things like backflip down the aisle, and scream and shout and put on a show. My pastor would get really animated and act hysterical because he was “filled with the spirit”. It was really great because he’d get on a roll and tell us about how we’re supposed to hate/condemn “secularists”, Mormons, JWs, and Catholics.
I've been a true Christian since I was 25,and now I'm almost 49. I consider myself a charismatic. However I do no rolling around,seizure type behavior,screaming,etc.etc.etc. I raise my hands,and maybe dance in my home,but that's about it. I don't know what the appropriate behavior is when praising the God of Heaven,but if I feel like Dancing because God healed me or whatever then I may dance. God be the judge of others behavior not me. ✌
@nd to last call - chat window is full of comments about how the biblical plagues of Egypt had natural causes. They never happened. there was no Moses, no plagues, and no Exodus. Yeah, the make believe plagues may have been stories based on fairly common natural disasters - but if you don't clarify the biblical fallacy - you tacitly endorse aspects of the story
@Jimmy Kirk Ah; your the one that has the inability or unwillingness to accept Australia as secular, regardless of the evidence. How are you my theist friend :) Peace
Ohh man Jim, when you mentioned Harry Dresden I near dropped my phone, lol, he is by far one of my favorite characters ever penned. Butchers is a helluvan author over been reading for the past 20 yrs or so. Appreciate the reminder
Such a beautiful episode! A roller coaster of emotions haha Plenty of food for thoughts, and truly wholesome moments. Thank you everyone, this is so fun and instructive!
00:00 Intro
01:31 Mercy-(CN) | Primed To Experience The Holy Spirit
21:24 Enoch-PA | Recently Deconverted And Looking For A Community
28:30 Calvin-CA | Asking Why A Story Happened Rather Than If It Happened
33:18 Jan-DE | The Only Explanation For God Is Advanced Technology
46:52 Robert-TX | God Is An Introvert
54:20 Eric-CA | Well You Must Have Never Been A True Believer
1:04:53 David-OR | The Resurrection: Real Or A Mass Hallucination
1:12:47 Death With Dignity
1:17:17 Zeres-IL | Provide Premises Not Questions
1:23:35 Sohaib-(CA) | The Plagues In Egypt Were Real
1:26:55 Sam-CA | What's Wrong With Deism
1:37:07 Outro
CHEERS MATT 🫀 I BELIEVE THEY PUT JUST ENOUGH (A TOUCH) OF HEARTS 🫀 TRUTH , LOVE WISDOM EMPATHY COMPASSION FORGIVNESS GRATITUDE (UNITY IN ITS OWN BELIEF ) TO AWAKEN OUR ENERGY GIFT THAT COMES WITH LIFE FROM WITH IN HEART🫀,CONTROLLING THE MIND DECIEVEING OPENING THE HEART OPENING THE HEARTS POWER THATS UNITES US TO GAIA , I BELIEVE WHEN WE ARE BORN WE ARE TRUTH BORN INTO LIE, NOW BELIEVING LIE AS TRUTH ,
The small tiny amount of Truth hypnotism the mind so the rest of the bullshit is not acknowledged as LIE as now as truth the tiny smidge of truth feed like a oxygen mask to the energy from. With in ,
Thank you time stamp person/s
Peace Love Empathy always.
I'm an atheist and yet raised my children as Catholics because I promised my wife I would. Catholic school and regular church attendence.
My kids are now adults and they are both Atheists. The same with all their friends except one.
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You are making ZERO sense. It seems you've copied a few paragraphs from Deepak Chopra...a con artist.
I became an atheist before I heard about this show, but ever since I started watching, I've learned a lot more about fallacies and arguments that I wasn't able to debunk myself before. Looking things up is a MASSIVE help in almost any disagreement, and to do so without the hinderance of confirmation bias.
Well done everyone on the team for helping strengthen honesty and science and discovery for everyone.
When Matt treated Sahaib by hanging up, he said he was "moving on" because Sahaib wasn't paying attention to him. GOOD CALL! This ought to happen more often. If they don't listen, why should you continue to engage with them. Kudos!
Yeah, things were happened in old Egypt and two or three were written down on some steles and walls, mostly in Karnak. That's true, but neither were they happened after another, nor are all of these events happened exactly so like it's written in the bibel. He heard some of it and it fitted his biased views. The rest is only in his mind and in the bibel, and like the most believers he resist a clarification on it.
I agree. And its one thing if they just miss something but ask for clarification or ask them to repeat because they missed something, but yeah, he wasn't listening, and if you aren't willing to have a two way discussion, you aren't worth the viewer or the host's time.
@@ReiperX RUclips comments favorite AXP pastime is calling out Matt for being mean and not hearing callers out though!
@@iconoclastvii
Those that do that are actually quite a small demographic of the whole.
@Justin Gary
Only theist rely on confirmation bias, without it you have nothing. Hence the hatred for Science and Intellectual honesty etcetera 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Listening to Mercy I had tears in my eyes by the end of her call, because I know the feeling that she's going through right now after being stuck in for over 30 years. I hope she continues the journey and free her mind. The way I feel now from how I felt as a believer is like night and day. I almost feel like I just started really living. I'm not saying this is for every atheist but I'm the happiest that I've ever been and I hate I didn't make this choice a long time ago. I'm over 4 years in as an atheist now. Best thing I ever did for myself. You guys handled her very well. Seems to have helped.❣️
Well done to you. Religion creates cognitive dissonance and fundamentalism in minds. Not to mention suspension of critical thinking. All the best to you
@@fredodonnell3323 People tend to remember the correct details in a seance but overlook statements or events that provide no evidence of paranormal powers.
Hugs and you're gorgeous btw
danyellwar77: what do you do differently that causes you to feel that you now are 'really living' that you didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do when you were a believer?
I went through it so young I didn't really realize that I was going through it. Just started reading the Bible one day around about 19 yo and got tired of talking myself into tricking people like I believed it.
Robert: I know a (once) pastor with a theological degree, who decided to go to a secular university to study comparative religions. He is now an atheist. Presumably, he revised his position after studying anthropology and ancient history.
@@Ichabod_Jericho There is money 💰 in religion big money. Book sales too. I haven’t heard a sermon on praying alone. Matthew 6.5-8. All the evidence for Osiris or Anubis? What about Zeus?
Matt is just unbelievably good to listen to when he’s not pissed off and when he’s conversing with honest interlocutors or people who actually wanna have a reasonable conversation. I love this guy!
And when he shuts down vegans or anyone questioning anything that triggers him (trans rights, fir ex) he is horrific, despotic and an absolute dictator
I love Mercy’s attitude. She isn’t afraid to ask questions. Good luck to her on her journey out of religion.
One of the best calls and callers I've heard for sure.
Mercy is awesome
I love how she compares religion to training "like boot camp"!
This was actually a pretty productive show.
@46:52 Matt forgot the 1st Peter thing about having the good reason for your faith ready to give to people asking questions.
@1:26:55 That Deist should teach his child how deeply people are forced to value their religious beliefs through weekly peer-pressure reinforcement in tax-free/paper-work-free organizations and use them as short-cut thinking for pretty much a LOT of things especially when they have to do with friends, family, and neighbors. If the upcoming mention is the case, his young child should stop thinking he has the answers to everything black and white, and learn to respect intelligently and help kindly the rest of his family.
I was going to say the opposite.
Too many atheist, it just is not very interesting to listen to.
@@robtbo "faith"
2021 it is so amazing how religion still contaminates the brain
CONGRATULATIONS TO THOSE WHO CHOOSE FREEDOM AND REALITY.
Biggest stress reliever
The dietary laws interpreted correctly. It is not about food it is types of people. Swine=people who cry out for the lord when they are in need and forget there lord when they have received. Eagles=basically ruthless robbers who would even take your food. fish with no scales= ungodly men Who have rejected God and accept satan. Hear=unnatural lusts. Hyena=adultury. Weasel=someone who defies scripture. Interpreted correctly this is not about food but types of people. God advise us not to associate with. people of this nature. So you don't become one of them. By doing as they do or follow there ways or for your own protection an saftey plus incase you are seduced by other gods and reject the lord and lose your salvation
the bible teacher's turn from sin. But what is sin. And the answer is mans understanding of scripture. The father is spirit and the law was written by him. So the 10 commandments are to be understood in the spirit.
The holy spirit or ruach is wind and wind is doctrine in bible code/logos/spiritual understanding/rock. And the scripture was written by the holy spirit though men. So there was an earthly meaning and a spiritual meaning. When jesus came he was teaching in the spirit. And when he said if you can't understand earthly things how can he tell us about heavenly things. So when you can understand them you will know about heavenly things. Because he used keys and types of people for keys among other things to speak to us so we can and need to know how to hear God's voice. If we want to understand scripture the way God intended it to be understood
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You should invest less in dodgy people foods and invest more in linebreakes. They're easy to use, they break up long stretches of text and makes replies easier and quicker to read.
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Also, if God intended it to be understood it would be understood and there would be no possible way around understanding it. Your irrational over complicated system is the furthest from how an existant god would communicate.
God is supposed to be omniscient thus all from God would per definition be accurate, clear, concise and honest. Unless he's a deceitful bastard.
Under your all good omniscient premise, we should in no way believe, expect or assume that God ought to communicate like the Antagonist in Saw or the Riddler from Batman.
@@guytheincognito4186 the way the scripture is wrote is like this it tells you what things mean and if you teach something different than the scripture can expose you so it is also a teaching lock a deliberate and intended thing God has done he is great our LORD
It's amazing that Darth Dawkins cronies will wait on hold for so long just to have the opportunity to demonstrate what complete idiots they are.
Contingency! Contingency!! CONTINGENCY!!!!!! 😂
Jim has the most soothing voice and cadence. I could listen to him speak for a ridiculous amount of time.
Thank you
@@JimBarrows You seem like a super nice guy, too. My best to you and yours.
I've witnessed first hand, in my husband and in-laws (and a good portion of the people I'm surrounded by in SE Alabama), the effect that faith has on the way they approach the world. Their political beliefs and tendency to believe in conspiracy theories seems to point to a dismissal of evidence in general.
Growing up in AL led me to think of the term "glorification of ignorance" before I even read that famous quote from Demon-Haunted World--it just sums it all up so well.
What conspiracies are you referring to? Any skeptical individualshould have no trust in our government or institutions at this point. No, I'm not a Christian.
@@travisn346 Not trusting the government is not the same thing as believing conspiracies. If I must rattle one off, "the big lie" is extremely popular.
@@nameforcomments4092 I was expecting her to refer to vaccines, 5G, chemtrails, and/or other polarizing arenas. I may never wear it, but I'll keep my tinfoil hat on the rack just in case. Roll Tide!
@@travisn346 Hahaha well I don't want to assume what OP has seen, but cultist alt-right stuff is what I see the most. Not saying I haven't seen any crazy left-wing folks or other things either, but the "big lie" stuff is currently the most rampant *and* malicious from what I've seen.
I like how they immediately ditch the prozelytisers 😄
Of course, Ancient Egypt had plagues, floods and droughts. Jim is correct, there is red algae. The dynasties covered 2,500 years. During the time of Rameses II, there was a drought. His enemies the Nubians, asked for food and Rameses agreed to help.
Today's show was amazing!! I love Matt and Jim's duo! And all the calls were interesting. I'm so happy Enoch got to deconvert! I wish a good future ahead for Enoch and everyone in axp, as well as anyone reading this!
Day light savings here in Australia means I can't watch live.
About to watch now :)
Peace
@@smochygrice465 What? Why would daylight savings time (which is a global thing and I'm on the other side of the world, pretty much exactly on the other side of the world in Sweden) preclude you from watching it live?
@@michaelmay5453Ah, because of the time shift the show is now on when my son is up getting ready for school. So now I watch it the same time I normally would before daylight savings which after he has been dropped off to school.
Peace
@@smochygrice465 Ah, that explains it. It just seemed strange and I was wondering if it was some Australian upside down youtube thingy. :D
My kids are since long out of the house and I'm on vacation so while it is the middle of the night I could watch it live but I don't. I prefer the time stamps to navigate. :)
I hope that you and your son are doing well and peace to you too. :)
@@ookeekthelibrarian My favourite Aussie besides the two I've worked with is Tim Minchin. Whenever I need to strengthen my soul after some harassment from a theist I watch "Tim Minchin - American Beliefs" either with or without "I Love Jesus".
"I was a skeptic long before I applied it to my religious beliefs"...That pretty much sums up my experience. In my last year as a believer, sitting on my patio, a question came to mind, "Why do I believe in a god?". It occurred to me that people around me, whom I viewed as less skeptical, had taught and reinforced god-belief since childhood. Who in turn were taught in their childhoods, etc. I realized straightaway this was bad reasoning. For several months, I went looking for good reasons to believe. Within a year I was an atheist. It all started with an honest answer to an honest question that I had simply never considered before.
Great comment. I had a similar experience. I, too, was taken by the observation “I was a skeptic long before I applied it to my religious beliefs”. Thanks for sharing.
I’ve heard Enoch call in before and wish him the best of luck
@Heartland Heathen He's not the only Enoch that has called in. There was another Enoch who had a different voice than this caller and was absolutely unbearable.
Why is it that when someone rings in with a script they think they have a gotcha moment in it!!
Because they’re stupid? “Ignorant” may be a better descriptor.
if they were smart they wouldn't be theists
Also, we applaud and celebrate being right FIRST wasaaayyyyyyyy too much versus celebrating HOW we got there. It’s as if it’s better to be right through guessing first than figuring things out and finding an answer last.
Normally it's because the person they are talking to didn't read the same script.
"This isn't how the movie is supposed to end!"
@@GummiDropz 😂 I win in the end, right?!
...right, guys? 😂
Matt and Jim watching you on u tube and I love the way you are up front and tell like it is. Along with Seth. You guys are great. I'm 73 and just deconverted 2 months ago and never looking back.
Thank you. Keep up the great work
I've been listening to this show for quite awhile, and I've watched Matt's debates. Tonight, for the first time, I had a visual of Matt giving advice as a pastor, and I can't stop giggling.
I had falling out when I was 7 too. It was tough, but I just didn’t connect with Barney anymore.
The most interesting question when I talk to christians is : Is Satan a smart being?
YES : Then why does he bet with god? He should know that god knows everything in advance so he can't win
NO: How can a dumb being deceive so many people (if he really exists )
He's not as smart as god, but he is smarter than us.
Asking if Satan was smart brings up an interesting idea, however a rather irrelevant one. Even smart humans do dumb things or things that are bad for them, repeatedly. Satan's problem is an ego-based one, in that he desired his own glory alongside of God. Narcissism blinds to reality.
@@theincantrix1144 But then why was an angel created that could rebel? Satan (or Lucifer before he fell) KNEW that god is real and his power was absolute so why would he think he could take control?
It seems like God’s problems are ego driven. He demands fealty at the point of a sword, is jealous, wrathful, and vengeful and blames humans for his failures. God could in an instant demonstrate his existence to everyone simultaneously. He doesn’t I’ve been told because of his narcissistic need to be “loved” and his demand that everyone needs “faith” over evidence. He punishes people who don’t believe in him with eternal torture, to scare them into loving a monster.
You can’t claim those are “good” things, but god demands you call cruelty “love/good/moral” or you’ll be punished. He seems devoid of the concept of love. It’s all just a circle that begins and ends with “cuz god says so” and you’re not allowed to not be convinced, much less question anything.
I have never seen the part of the bible that explains where satan come from. I hate to assume, but seems to me satin must be one of the other gods found in the OT. But if god is god, then he could just unthink him.
@@TheScotsalan In Judaism, Satan is a verb and generally refers to a difficulty or temptation to overcome instead of a literal being.
For Jan - instead of the charlatan Deepak Chopra's Chicken Soup for the Soul, think of McDonald's instead - it's Fast Food for the Soul. Quick and easy answers don't get us where we need to be. The internet these days convinces us we're all geniuses bc we read a few articles. Deconversion often involves a lot more education than believers ever will even consider taking on...
Not everyone is that bright. Some people like simple answers and simple stories. It makes them feel safe and see patterns and control.
Right on. Unfortunately most people on social media only read the titles of articles that already confirm their biases. Then they click ‘Share’ and Voila! They are knowledgeable, engaged, etc. When in reality they’re fucking clueless.
Jan might well have been reading Robert Charroux or Erich von Daniken. It's a pity the hosts didn't tie him down on where he got his ideas from.
Going on the call and Jan responses, his odd ideas I think predate the internet. Coming from the particular period myself, there were plenty of supposed "non-fiction" books with very odd ideas about 'mythical' concepts. The Ancient Aliens wacky concept predates modern media by a hundred or more years and has connections right back into various 19th century occult movements.
Hell the concept of ancient knowledge of select "wise" few goes all the way back to gnosticism 2000+ years ago. The lack of knowledge of the wiki article tends to suggest Jan's poorly researched concepts predated the internet by sometime.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q Well I know that Charles Fort speculated about ancient aliens in the 1920s ("New lands" I think) but he was never really serious about any of his speculations. Helena Blavatsky may have had something to say about it but I haven't read much by the Theosophists.
One of the great duos for the show. Will never miss a second, I just started watching.
Congrats to Enoch for deconverting! I remember some of your calls, and I was shocked to hear you say you deconverted! You must have been working through a lot, and that is awesome!
What's with all the blood? Why doesn't God turn the Nile into chocolate milk? Huh?
Maybe it was the Nile water turned into wine?
Maybe God is lactose intolerant
@@holgerlubotzki3469 We can't have that! The Sun would dry it up!
probably coz it derived from mythologies with blood magic
Because he's Yahweh, not Willy Wonka, duh. :p
Mercy in China sounds like she'd greatly benefit from a dose of DERREN BROWN! In his 2cd episode of "FEAR and FAITH" he converts people on the spot, via completely secular means! It's a must-see for believers and non-believers!
Derren Brown is a real ace! His faith healing expose was a huge benefit for me coming from a place where people think faith healing is not only real, but “better than secular medicine”. I can’t count the times I’ve asked “how could we DEMONSTRATE the efficacy of faith healing” only to be met with “I saw a lady with one leg shorter than the other and we all saw the preacher make her leg as long as the other one”.
When you bring up the failures of faith healing they either refuse to acknowledge it, claim there’s never been an instance where it didn’t work, blame the one being healed, or just play victim.
But chemotherapy is a scam, and New Age secular nonsense like crystal healing is satanic. Then since it’s satanic and so are you if you don’t bow to their god, they tell me that I believe in crystal healing even though I’ve claimed I’m not only unconvinced I have reasons to think it flat out doesn’t work.
Yes I was thinking that as well 👍 Also the documentary he did "Miracles for Sale"
@@mistersippi2945 You weren't the only one thinking about Derren Brown, and hoping Matt - who has mentioned him before on the show, would suggest looking at his stuff.
Think JREF really missed an opportunity before James Randi died to have Derren take over as the public face of the organisation because they both were in similar spaces.
Wasn't that from "Miracle"?
Had a feeling Zeres was a Darth croney. Matt caught on pretty quickly. It was definitely a silly presup argument.
Nope zeref is a atheist he was larping as a theist
@@movingbogus_ Oh yes right right, of course!
@@PhysiKarlz what??
As a fellow Canadian I am truly sorry for the sewage actions of Zere. He in no way reps all of Canada. There are some of us up here that actually use their brains. Much love Matt.
And Jim.... You have come a long ways in your hosting skills since you first started. Much love as well.
@Jimmy Kirk After what you just said here, I am still really amazed that you people can still dress yourselves. Read what you wrote back to yourself. Now, does it still seem an intelligent statement? Level up, for Christ sake...
Obvious troll is obvious AF.
@@ookeekthelibrarian It's the same troll again. I kept him busy until 8 hours ago, since then he appeared as "Sir Francis Snowflake" (1 month old account) and "Jimmy Kirk" (1 day old account).
@@ookeekthelibrarian yep. Sounds like him.
@Jimmy Kirk 🥱
We had a Tornado watch in my part of Ohio recently. Clearly, this was a storm god punishing us. It's obvious
I was interested in what Sahaib thought was 'Extra-Biblical evidence' for the plagues of Egypt, while I'm not an Egyptologist I've got friends that are and from discussion with them and their text books that I've read there isn't any that even vaguely seems linked to those claims. Shame we couldn't hear anything specific to debunk.
More often than not, they claim the “extra biblical sources” include the Ipuwer papyrus, which is misinterpreted by believers in every way.
Ipuwer has often been cited as confirmation of the biblical account of the Exodus, most notably because of its statement that "the river is blood" and its frequent references to servants running away.
This assertion has not gained acceptance among scholars. There are disparities between Ipuwer and the narrative in the Book of Exodus, such as that the papyrus describes the Asiatics as arriving in Egypt rather than leaving. The papyrus' statement that the "river is blood" phrase may refer to the red sediment colouring the Nile during disastrous floods, or simply be a poetic image of turmoil. 1)
1) Enmarch, Roland (2011). "The Reception of a Middle Egyptian Poem: The Dialogue of Ipuwer and the Lord of All". In Collier, M.; Snape, S. (eds.). Ramesside Studies in Honour of K. A. Kitchen (PDF).
@@ajclements4627 I was thinking he was referring to the Ipuwer Papyrus as well.
That's probably where the Israelites got the idea of the 10 plagues from. We know they were big fans of modifying the myths of the religions and cultures around them for their own myths.
@@ajclements4627 Thank you, I'm reading it (in translation of course) now, :-)
For Mercy from China - read some Emily Dickensen or other great poetry. It takes a lot more work than believing in a god or holy spirit, but the spiritual rewards are actually true and worth your time! Mercy seems cool as all get out, and I hope she just keeps opening her mind to 6billion people in the world, as opposed to submitting to the closed mind that religion (re ligare to bind) demands.
Hear! Hear! Thankfully, she is intelligently open-minded to succeed in that vein.
All religions are cults.
@@jjevans1693 Yes, but we should admit that they provide something, satisfy a psychological need that is otherwise hard to cover.
We know there is a brain area that when triggered electrically or via drugs produces spiritual feelings. Imho religion was created to satisfy that area.
And non-religion has not found a good substitution for the same purpose.
And important, religion offers beautifully simple solutions, "just follow me, and you are always right", and real life does not provide that. It requires you to think, and especially to question YOURSELF constantly.
How ugly.
@@feedingravens Yes I agree, it's like tricking themselves into living on a higher frequency. That part is fine for most people.
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Meditation is non theist and it covers that brain area fine as does various compounds you can shoot up your arm, or snort through the nose. Music and a calm relaxed mind kind do it, even a decent dose of serotonin in the brain during your brightest walk outside in the sun. Just saying there's no non theistic methods is just disingenuous.
I really like this episode. There were a lot of very civil and productive conversations. I really enjoyed David's call.
Thanks
About the only practical use of the Holy Spirit that I can think of is for someone who suffers from insomnia.
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@Jimmy Kirk Fail.
Zeres has his Darth Dawkins talking points down to a tee! You could barely tell he was reading from a script, LMAO!
because he can barely read
HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS
me: so god is dead?
NO HES GOD
me: you just said god died, how can a god die...? and if he didnt die, then what was the sacrifice??
ANGRY CHRISTIAN FACE
He died in the flesh. God the father who is spirit cant die. So yes it was a sacrifice because he didn't have to do anything... but instead he bore the sins of the world and suffered because of it. Jesus could have gotten off of the cross or called Angles down... but he did the will of the father... and that was the sacrifice.
1 Peter 2:24: “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”
@@m-chopbeats7526 Still not much of a sacrifice unless "God the son" was, or became, nothing but flesh.
@@willemrm4033 it was considered what he went through. In the Bible Jesus says... Father let this cup pass from me. He was battling the flesh... he was fully man, perfect... but his human side still struggled with the torture that was yet to come. There was also a time where he lost all connection to God the father... and cried out... Father Why have you forsaken me... at that point the weight of the entire world's sin was on his shoulders.... and Jesus lost connection to the father because God could not look upon sin.
Still not much of a sacrifice unless "God the son" was, or became, nothing but flesh.
He was flesh... John 1:14 - Jesus Christ, the Word of God in the Flesh.
We all have a spirit... that is how we connect to God. When a person in their heart accept Jesus... God places his Spirit within them... it's not the physical heart, but the spiritual heart...
Act 2:38
So yeah... lol it wasn't like.. I am God this is a piece of cake I feel no pain... no Jesus felt all of it alright and more
The person in chat who said Matt didn't read the whole article has never written a thesis. XD if you read every article you sourced in a thesis it would probably take 10 years at Ph.D. level lol.
Black folks use "fall out" & "pass out" interchangeably, especially when interacting with different generations of Black people. Also when in a formal, professional setting the phrase "pass out" may be used. When talking to their respective friend group or a more relaxed social setting, the phrase "fall/fell out" will be prominently used. Some would claim & consider it to be 'code switching.'
Jan-DE should stop getting his facts from watching Ancient Aliens.
Jim hasnt told his parents????? Wow
He folks are quite old now, and having been catholic myself, there can be a real jewish mother guilt dynamic in those relationships. I think his folks probably know he doesn't believe anymore but remember there an aspect of "if we don't ask and he doesn't tell we can pretend everything is fine" going on. Catholics remember believe you can go to heaven if you've been baptised catholic and get the last rites on your deathbed. Everything else is just cream on top in terms of the religion.
The call from Mercy and the ensuing discussion was extremely and rationally intelligent and gratifying.
dave. let's say 1 guy writes down "1. I just watched a dude walk across a lake. 2. The 499 other people who are also totally here also totally saw the same thing." are the only optios
a) 500 people saw an actual guy walk across an actual non-frozen water lake.
Or b) 500 people just imagined a guy walked across a lake.
Is "guy made up the whole thing" an option?
Is "story was told, retold...morphed...made more interesting?...and eventually written down" an option?
Are there other options?
It’s definitely an option, but generally when this subject is debated, even when Matt debates it they tend to argue over what is called the minimum facts, so even atheist maybe for the sake of debate concede that the disciples had some experience. The generally reply by apologist is that the most common argument used by non believe to explain these experiences is mass Hallucination, which they argue is the most improbable and ad hoc theory.
What I noticed is that it doesn’t have to be one mass hallucination, but several events that later got weaved into a singular narrative. Which seems to be what the biblical accounts actually say, I also brought up the James Randi ufo radio hoax as an example of people all having a made up experience that was weaver together into a narrative . But again what do I know I’m just some rando.
@@davidtbeason 1. To clarify. Are you caller Dave? Or coincidence Dave? Both have happened to me here. So I am checking.
2. I don't accept the premise that mass hallucination is the most common...or even often mentioned explanation. In the axp circle at any rate.
CS Lewis offered lunatic, liar, or lord. He llleft out legend. And others. But far more common is "it's the claim, not the evidence. we don't know that or anything like it actually happened. No explanation needed."
Made up. Or grew in telling and retelling. The evolution of stories is...they don't survive unless they're interesting. People telling a story...make it (more?) interesting.
@@brucebaker810 twis me :) yes I understand that Legendary embellishment is also a popular argument.
@@davidtbeason Basically "Well how do you explain the empty tomb, then??"
What empty tomb? The one in the story? Written by folks who were using "hey, empty tomb!" as a big tada moment. To sell their guy. In their story.
The bible is just the claims. If it says Jerusalem is a place and a donkey talked... Jerusalem being a place doesn't mean bible true and donkey talked. Means ppl put Jerusalem in their talking donkey story.
@@davidtbeason what convinced you that Christianity is true?
Zeres forgot to show his Get Out of Logic card before he started.😂
To Mercy in China:
The ambiguity that makes it difficult for you to believe it all is the same ambiguity that makes it difficult for others to give up their beliefs...
DAVID - OR: When the police are to interrogate a group, it is important that they separate the group as soon as possible. If they are given the opportunity to talk to each other, the stories will begin to resemble each other very quickly ... even for neutral witnesses. When they then recall the memory later, it is likely that it is this common variant of the events they remember. In this process, sometimes extra assertive people will often win with their version, while those who are more uncertain about what they saw will align the story with their version. Sometimes they think that it was they themselves who experienced things they demonstrably could not have experienced. For example, if a group sees something from one side of an airplane, someone sitting on the other side of the airplane will also report seeing it, even though this could not possibly have been the case.
There is also a problem that someone who reports an incident will often interview those who are most eager to talk, and then he attributes to the group what one person said. When you then summarize, it looks like 500 saw something, but maybe only one of them was asked.
52:40 I feel this caller’s frustration. I was in ministry for a decade. I travelled to several countries, put all of my life into Christianity, my wife and 2 children lived on a bus and it sucked and it was hard but I did it out of sheer belief.
So, when people pull the “you weren’t a true believer” shit on me I fume SO hard.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.” Charles McKay.
No one who believes in the myth of god thinks it through. God sent his son according to the fable to save everyone. But who are we to be save from, well its god of course. He basically says that we are all born sick and now he commands us to get well. All the time knowing we can't live to the god standard. So, he has to come down as a man, had a bad weekend (human sacrifice) came back to life and went back to sky home to continue to live forever. So, he paid for man's sin, sins that he says we do like eat clams etc. This all happened because two people ate from a tree he said not to. This all took place 6 thousand years ago where some folks live almost a thousand years. Right.
" God sent his son according to the fable to save everyone"
And the reason he does this is because ( according to the Bible) he is an idiot. He wouldn't have to send his son to save us if he hadn't put the forbidden fruit in the garden. And the entire salvation through Christ story makes no sense.
If you steal my car & after selling my car you return months later and ask me to forgive you I would either forgive you or not forgive you. I wouldn't say :I can forgive you, but before I can do that I need to have my neighbors beat my son up".
I have listened to this straight through whilst doing some chores. I have enjoyed every second of it. Thank you so much.
Im life long atheist
Ditto.
Parents treated us kids hard. But when it came to theism it was a laughing matter :)
Man, I gotta go to Austin and spend a few days there with these people. It would be such a relief to speak with people who don't sell certainty.
Mercy's story was kinda relatable. When my mom was looking for a "church family" We went to one church where the pastor would lay hands on people and they would "fall out" My mom egged me to go up to the alter along with her. The pastor laid his hands on me and kept like pushing on my forehead like come on bro fall. I just stood there like ummm. No. I didn't fall and i was meant to feel like there was something wrong with me. I'm an athiest now and i now know that it was a bullshit. Just crazy to look back on all that.
Jim reminds me of my High School Geometry Teacher and Physics Teacher rolled into one.
Mercy was an amazing call!
I became an atheist at an all-boys catholic school at 16yo back in 1992 after reading with fantastic Lit and History professors. I was an altar server and part of every youth organization a catholic could name. I also had sports, was involved in youth theater, and happened to realize I was a guy who liked guys. It was a tough but amazing journey I even thought Ayn Rand was my messiah for awhile, but children get over that! Enoch's gonna be just great!
The call from Jan reminds me of David Bowie’s song “Loving The Alien” Which explicitly explains the idea of gods being aliens in two ways: As possible “ETs” - and as the concept that if a God isn’t “from” earth, it is alien to earth and therefore alien to us (to the extent that such a god should even exist at all).
@44:45 Jim says “Wookiepedia” - revealing his undying Star Wars fandom.
Well done Mercy. Your bravery & honesty was inspirational. Build your foundations. keep your eyes on the destination, but enjoy the journey🙏
Jim and Matt are my favorite combination of hosts
The first question about the Holy Spirit is the best explanation I have heard so far. Thanks guys
Your discourse at 8 minutes to Mercy in China was really well put Matt.
I enjoyed the show today. Felt very productive and kind.
About the hallucinations and fake drugs. I did a test at uni making a fake weed cake with some green food dye and Mixed herbs. We all took a slice and I acted along pretending to be high. To my surprise five of my other housemates started to feel the affects and two had to lie down! It’s amazing how easily is to trick the brain 😂 (on the other hand it could of been down to my bad baking)
I think Matt and Jim are my favorite team on the show. This was one of the best episodes I've listened to in a while.
The Larry Niven book is "The Ringworld Engineers" if anyone is curious.
He’s the same writer who I’ve heard influenced the Halo video game series.
At the hour Mark. “Your parents are victims just like were “ very profound. Speaks volume.
IS it me or is it funny that the all knowing god did not even know Pharaoh's name? The god of the bible referred to him as "Pharaoh" numerous times.
This"all knowing" god also thought bats were birds and that hares chewed their cud.
Matt's words on death with dignity need to be clipped and posted everywhere
To what theist whom it may concern: Review photos, footage and memoirs of the Holocaust and really question if a loving god would allow such a thing.
You can go neo-lithic and prehistoric, too. Why make our ancestors survive an Ice Age that significantly dwindled populations, as well as other near-extinction events? Did those suffering masses have a personal relationship with a god? Where is THEIR bible?
Is there a way for God to intervene without eliminating free will? If you had the option to completely give up your free will to live the rest of your life as an observer with no control over your body in order to live in a world with no crime, would you?
@@UCLAdrummer Free will is a theological concept invented for this very purpose. "I am the good, and I create evil." That is Dueteronomy. Then you must answer why this deity seems so close to certain people when an ancient book came into being, then a relationship with it has to be asserted on an individual level later on. A god that intervenes and even controls history vs a god that you just think you have little talks with on a daily basis. If you were in a relationship where one day the person was all about being in love with you, and the next day didn't seem to give a shit - how long would it take for you to have serious questions about that supposed bond? So called free will has absolutely nothing to do with actions we take in the world, it is SOLELY a theological choice of whether you "choose" to believe or not. It is a difficult concept to navigate after being taught for so long that it is the same thing as whether you just make some bad decisions in life or not, but they are distinctly different things. Hope that helps...
@@UCLAdrummer Free will is an illusion.
It is used by monotheists to get their god out of the accountability.
@@UCLAdrummer sure there is! Stopping a serial killer doesn’t affect his victims free will one bit, it only stops the killer from imposing his evil will on others. The killer is stopping the free will of his victims!
Great to see Jim again! Great show.
I remember Enoch's name. Think it was real ugly conversation previously. Wish him all the best!
Thank you, Matt. Ed Brayton was a friend of mine as well. I miss him. He was a great asset to the secular community and promoter of secular humanism. He epitomized what a "good atheist" should be and what we should all strive towards. I am also glad that he is no longer in pain.
The bye bull is not a book of " answers" but excuses for ego trippers!
I attended a Church-in-Wales primary school to age eleven. School took us to church regularly, school prayers every morning, sermon from local vicar on Fridays, Bible stories laid out as history. The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost bit puzzled me. The earliest question on religion I can remember was at age six or seven wondering why God was wandering around in a white sheet with holes for eyes making woooing noises. I have not believed in any god since. Does 5hat make me a lifelong atheist? 🙂
That reminds me a bit of my primary and highschool experience. St Kieran's Primary and St Paul's Catholic College Manly, both in Sydney New South Wales.
Saying prayers at the start of assembly, church services at the attached church, etc etc.
I think I also started doubting around age 10, when I started learning about science and the miracles of Jesus. A man walking on water etc etc?? The response: "you don't want to be an ATHEIST! They're disgusting people with no morals." And the other usual slander about people who aren't convinced by bullshit.
"Does 5hat make me a lifelong atheist?"
Nah, not yet 😎
I am also a new atheist and this show opened my eyes and find my way out of religion.
I remember when I was in the 6th grade, some 4th grader decided to mix a weird concoction of foods that don't go together. Like many kids do for fun, or for the yuck factor.
And the crowd reaction by the other 4th graders was glorious.
One person got nauseous at the sight and vomited, triggering a vomiting reaction in a bunch of the other classmates, and it was a hysterical vomitfest, with kids vomiting, complaining of stomach aches, and just going AWOL. All because of what one person did and one other person's reaction.
That is some true power of suggestion that I witnessed (years ago).
And, the falling out thing, I can relate to. When I was 13, my family was temporarily homeless and we lived in a Baptist church. During weekday services it was customary to have communal prayer, singing, speaking in tongues, and falling out. Once I saw a preacher touch my aunt, and she fell out, in front of me. Which I found bizarre cuz at home that was never the case when my family did prayer.
Damn, what a great fucking episode.
Robert TX - What if there is a god or devil who is fooling you? How do you tell the difference? A god that hides is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist.
Mercy, train yourself to be skeptical. Withhold conclusions until you have evidence.
The Mohenjo-Daro claim is traced back to a false reading from a Russian study that was published in Russian in 1965. Subsequent investigations picked up and corrected the error.
Nothing better ever written on suicide than The Myth of Sisyphus...sometimes it should be acknowledged that it is a valid philosophical stance, even in sound mind
Camus? I thought the most common conclusion was that of happiness in doing mundanities.
Some scientist claimed that all the plaques of Egypt are consistent with a big volcanic eruption.
Zeres: "The way I present arguments is through questioning." Riiight, and that's about as useful as ordering at a restaurant using mental telepathy. If your argument requires audience participation, you're doing it wrong. I flat out refuse to play that reindeer game with apologists.
What he meant was "I thought I could lead you into a trap..."
He started with "argument coming, but question first" thing. As, I'm noting, is common lately.
But he apparently slid into his "argument" questions...without mentioning that he had begun.
Socratic Method. > Socratic Meathead?
Socrates was pretty famous for it.
If you make your argument through questions it is easier to back track when you get walloped
@@scambammer5940 Including, but not limited to... "hey, I'm just asking questions here:."
And cold reading. "Is there a male with either J or T?... ... ... No, I didn't think so." cuz no hit.
Romans 9:20 convinced me it was all BS. I was never really a believer, but I tried to believe for a little while. But the whole "God has fitted some vessels for destruction" thing just got me. It's like God could save me if He wanted to save me and if He doesn't, then there was never anything I could do about it. It pretty much negates the whole idea of free will, in my opinion. If my heart is hardened to God, it's because He hardened my heart (like with Pharoah). I agree that if there is a God, He's not a very kind being if this is His stance.
If suicide was just simply turning off.. I would have done so already. Unfortunately, the fear of what death feels like forces me to say "why rush it?" Still.. the monotony of this life for the past 30 years, it really would be nice to just not take part in it any longer. (this is an example of something that isn't a physical medical issue, I am not looking for a discussion on this *at all*)
I’ve been feeling the same way off/on for around 8 years now. Everyone around me was isolating for the virus, I’ve been isolating since 2013.
You guys are proving the points of theists (atheists are unhappy)
@@markburch6253 Being happy or unhappy has nothing to do with the god belief. I know plenty of unhappy theists.. my issue has nothing to do with being unhappy either.
After being raised from birth in an ultra religious family where my father was a lay minister, losing my religion was a process, often with great difficulties and phases. I was in my mid to late 50s before becoming atheist.
The nuclear explosion story reminded me of the Oklo reactor, a naturally occurring nuclear "reactor" found in a cave.
It’s always entertaining when people say things like “it had to be an atomic blast” then act like they’re not making a claim, they’re asking questions when you ask for a demonstration.
People who are indoctrinated or given to fantasy never ask “how could this be true” because they assume that since they think it it must be true. They use the Bible as a way to say that they have the authority of god on their side so they can say “well god wouldn’t let me think this if it weren’t true”!
@@mistersippi2945 A nuclear blast leaves a characteristic signature. That signature hangs around for a very long time. The prevalence of fission products makes it possible to date the explosion.
Matt's remarks from 18:00 to 18:44 succinctly describe not only the motivation for religious thinking but the motivation for most human behavior. Understanding that motivation would go a long way in helping theists *dispassionately* analyze the claims/teachings of their religions.
Jan's been watching the history channel, lol.
I would love to do an experiment were me and another person go to a pentacostal (not sure if that is how to spell it) mass and me not pay attention and just go through the motions and another person pay attention and if he touches me and nothing happens but he touches the one paying attention and it does it is all priming and psychological ways the preacher is doing. Sorry if i had bad grammar but i hope the premise of the experiment got to whoever reads this.
I’m an Australian, our aboriginal people are the best trackers in the world. They have an amazing sixth sense to track and find animals or people. They along with Sherlock Holmes could follow Jesus Christ, but will never find him because he doesn’t exist.
@@RickyisSwan are you commenti g to me or gods servant couldnt tell for some reason
@@tinybiscuit6530 . Sorry I should’ve hit his name. It was god’s servant “following Jesus.”
@Gods Servant what does that have to do with anything
@Gods Servant . What a wonderful piece of useless philosophy. No doubt suggesting that I find your elusive ghost. What a pity you have zero proof of its existence, otherwise you can have yourself a Nobel prize.
Mercy said,... I don't know. How refreshing.
Of course theists don’t listen to the calls preceding theirs. They might learn something
Mercy: Causing a person to fall down as done by 'ministers' is a basic Aikido method that is very gentle, can look and feel the same as the preachers; and results in a fall that leaves the 'partner' in disorienttation for a few seconds after the fall. If you are practicing aikido with a partner you know why you fell and feel disoriented. If a preacher does it, it is magic, it's the spirit. Aikido has many forms to help your partner fall, this form is just a very friendly intro. The founder of Aikido Merihei Ueshiba attempted to pass on his methods. Many Aikido schools only teach different parts, and few show this method as it is not a method used in practice, only a demo.
Pentecostalists are truly amoung the most hysteria-prone of the myriad x-tian sects.crying and screaming,rolling around on church floors.drooling,mouthfoaming and seizure like behavior, all primed by group support ,intense expectations and buried subconscious desires that are projected according to a certain pattern,i personally experienced shakti-power transmissions while a sannyasin in the Rajneesh movement and allthough the experiences were powerfull i soon came to know they were produced within my own mind and Not some external factor...
When i deconvered many years ago as a Roman Catholic.... what helped me was the fact that my body can feel that same way without any sky daddy involvement. With God, the body is just a shell. Without God, the body becomes infintly more power then said imaginary friend.
This so true.I am a recovered christian now athiest.I used to behave in a similar fashion thinking that I was a superior being in church and that if I manifested then it was a sign of reconciliation..but I was so wrong.I know it's fake and just a product of one's mind .if I had to share your comments with my family they tend to take it personally as an attack of satan.unfortunately they have resolved to not accept correction of any kind as they think it's from the devil.
Some Baptists do that too. Some of the churches I would visit do things like backflip down the aisle, and scream and shout and put on a show. My pastor would get really animated and act hysterical because he was “filled with the spirit”.
It was really great because he’d get on a roll and tell us about how we’re supposed to hate/condemn “secularists”, Mormons, JWs, and Catholics.
I've been a true Christian since I was 25,and now I'm almost 49. I consider myself a charismatic. However I do no rolling around,seizure type behavior,screaming,etc.etc.etc. I raise my hands,and maybe dance in my home,but that's about it. I don't know what the appropriate behavior is when praising the God of Heaven,but if I feel like Dancing because God healed me or whatever then I may dance. God be the judge of others behavior not me. ✌
@@XXxCHRISxXX . I have the same dedication. I’ve been a six legged dog believer for years.
I wish Matt would write a book. He would sell a ton. Please do it Matt!
@nd to last call - chat window is full of comments about how the biblical plagues of Egypt had natural causes. They never happened. there was no Moses, no plagues, and no Exodus. Yeah, the make believe plagues may have been stories based on fairly common natural disasters - but if you don't clarify the biblical fallacy - you tacitly endorse aspects of the story
" No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us." 1 John 4:12
The scriptures states that God showed his face to some people.
About to watch now while doing the dishes :)
I'm washing dishes too while I'm listening, ha ha!! :-)
I hope you had a good productive time :) ❤️
@Jimmy Kirk You'll get over it friend.
Plus as a father it's my duties of care to provide a clean and safe environment.
You do you.
Peace.
@Jimmy Kirk Ah; your the one that has the inability or unwillingness to accept Australia as secular, regardless of the evidence.
How are you my theist friend :)
Peace
Ohh man Jim, when you mentioned Harry Dresden I near dropped my phone, lol, he is by far one of my favorite characters ever penned. Butchers is a helluvan author over been reading for the past 20 yrs or so. Appreciate the reminder
Lifelong atheist, 2nd generation
Such a beautiful episode!
A roller coaster of emotions haha
Plenty of food for thoughts, and truly wholesome moments. Thank you everyone, this is so fun and instructive!