01:36 Mark-GA | I Can't Prove Anything 09:04 Holy Rebel-FL | Received A Prophecy Of The Past 25:42 Arnie-WA | Catching Up With Arnie...Joining The Atheist Inner Circle 37:17 ACA Clips: "Vagina" est... Aug 30, 2021 39:18 Jim-(CA) | Getting Past The Fear Of No Longer Being 51:01 Kim-(UK) | Atheists Are Privileged, Privileged Are Atheists... 1:14:50 Mike-CA | The Caller Felt An Urge To Go Home (Boom! Paranormal Proven!) 1:28:02 Gilles-(UK) | What Would An Atheist Civilization Look Like? 1:42:26 Outro
I want to recommend a new show for the ACA network. How about a weekly science education show? The show will educate the public on science subjects with special emphasis on those areas where theists tend to misuse science to prove the existence of God, e.g. the law of thermodynamics, quantum physics, DNA, etc. The format can be: first 30 minutes is an educational presentation about a particular science subject and how theists often misuse it as evidence for God (if pertinent). The rest of the show you would entertain calls for those who have questions on the subject and for those who wish to point to any other fact of science that serves as evidence of God. I think this will be hugely beneficial because so many theists are clinging to religion just because they don't really understand evolution and they mistakenly think that a God is the more reasonable explanation for the existence of diverse, complex life showing apparent design. But if they can have evolution explained to them in a simple, understandable way, many of them will have an awakening.
That dude looked like such a fool after that, I mean he did before but especially after, although I do think matt did kinda misunderstand what he said, he was saying on the morning of Nov. 3rd which was election day he had his vision but it seemed like matt thought it was the day after election day, which ever it was though it is such a nonsensical thing to say one of 2 candidates would win when his opponent lost by 3 million votes in the previous election and became president because of the antiquated bullshit way we count the votes, that is wholly unimpressive, and adding military to his inauguration is not at all impressive either, it was especially silly once he started to realize he had lost his argument again, it would have been more impressive if he said matt would be president and matt became president, because matt wasn't even in the race, then I might be impressed
Caller: “I’m Holy Rebel, y’all. Matt knows me!” Matt: “🤷🏻♂️” Me: “I’m suddenly getting a prophetic vision that this call is going to be another car crash.”
You can tell holy rebel expected matt to remember him. Dude is a total narcissist. What he is claiming about himself further shows that to be the case.
Exactly what I thought, he was like oh matt knows me, and matt had no clue who the hell he was, I remebered his asinine bullshit because his unusual name, but matt has probably talked to thousands of people about this stuff since he last spoke to mr.rebel, I mean in his mind the supposed creator of the entire universe loves and cares about him so of course a guy he talked to once 3 years ago will remember him
Rebel getting on the show before was the closest to being on stage with a celebrity he'd ever been; made a huge impression on him, despite the fact that Matt fed him into the meat grinder before. So of course he thought he'd be remembered...he thinks he's memorable.
@@Heathen.Deity. he has a video up claiming that because Matt hung up on him last time - proves he is the winner. His YT channel has about 113 subscribers and is 5 years old. That's his ministry.
That's funny, I just had a prophecy that someone would comment about Holy Rebel Movement calling into the Atheist Experience. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is REAL - IT GAVE ME A PROPHECY!!!
It's really hard to understand Kim because she mistakes a privilege for a benefit. Being an atheist is a benefit because it frees up your mind to consider knowledge outside of a religious framework.
It felt to me like there was a misunderstanding of what she was saying. To me she was saying Matt has the privilege of religious freedom as an American, and can openly be atheist without fear of consequences from his government or the society he lives in.
I’m thinking she might only feel atheists have a privilege because I’ve heard the UK has a different feel to the US. People aren’t as religious there or they are, but they keep it to themselves. It’s not like the US where we have a lot of fundamentalist believers and other religious groups.
@@TheRealFumigator no, I don't think so. She's from a place where atheism is pretty much the default, and has no comprehension of the extent to which christians assert their privilege in the USA, sometimes violently.
@@TheRealFumigator you mean like the ‘privileges’ mentioned… like being socially ostracised by family/community, being excluded from holding public office, having your vehicle keyed (multiple times), being subjected to threats/actual physical violence… those sorts of privileges?
@Viktor Tandofsky I'm sorry to hear that. And we don't want you to be miserable with reality. But this is what it is. Maybe you should call and talk to someone.
Matt did a fantastic job staying focused and asking perfect questions. He's so damn good at this task, watching the craft so expertly performed is nearly as entertaining as the ideas themselves. Thanks everyone involved!
I think I get Kim, although she did a poor job articulating it. The thing I think she is trying to get at is: To be able to have the time/energy/resources to question your indoctrination, requires an amount of privilege. There are people who are unable to question thier ideology/indoctrination because they don't have the time or resources or ability to "waste" thinking about these things while busily working on seemingly more pragmatic things, like getting rent paid or raising thier children or whatever.
Kim may not be very articulate, but as someone who grew up in the third world, and been HUNGRY and homeless, I completely get her underlying point. When your intellectual energy is focused on survival, you don't really have time to muse philosophical about whether God/s exist. Material survival trumps everything else. Matt needs anger management. If his goal is to change minds yelling and insulting isn't the best method.
@@blackalien6873 I totally and fully agree. I have some sympathy for Matt's human flaws. He was never elected as the best representative for this argument but he stepped up and I imagine he is doing his best. He's not the perfect person for this job but I believe he's one of the best we have right now. I am not the perfect person for the position at my job, but no one else was doing it so I filled that spot. In my opinion, I rate his patience as medium. Some of the cohosts may have much more patience but are comparatively lacking in other ways.
@@WilliamMorfin Total agreement. As a public speaker, I can understand the difficulty in perceiving where people are going while on live camera. ...however, as the call went on it seemed she was starting to pick at other contentions.
I felt bad for Kim because I was 100% in the same boat when I lost a loved one. A religious funeral appeals to emotion rather than reason, and it was enough to persuade me to suspend my disbelief for almost a year.
For Kim, as a fellow Brit. It's not about a specific religious or atheist community. Find some sort of hobby, a club that interests you. You will meet a whole range of people from different backgrounds some may have a faith, but being the UK most will likely be non believers. It's about making friends! As for privalidge- bollocks. Socio-economic, racial background etc makes no difference. I know people from the most disadvantaged groups who are atheist and always have been. Get out there and meet people.
She mentions the desperate people who come to her church. In some cases people turn to religion when they are desperate. In other cases, some desperate people get a free meal from their church, but only if they listen to a sermon first. Perhaps it is not that "only privileged people can be atheists", but rather that people in crisis tend to turn to religion.
@@annk.8750 I think you hit the point there. The phrase ‘Religion preys on the weak’ is related to this at the exploitation end. However, good-hearted people in faith communities can offer a sympathy that provides a comfort that people in crisis and lonely people can hold to in the absence of emotional or parental hugs.
I agree about getting a hobby or joining a group . You are right about people having diverse backgrounds and so no religion strings attached to being a part of something.
Of course background makes a difference, there are atheists from all backgrounds but your background has an effect on what you believe. I don't know why it has to be one extreme or the other. Sounds like some "I don't see colour" type bs, we don't have to ignore what makes us different.
Holy rebel is lashing out exactly like a con man would . If he got caught and confronted while in the middle of the con job he's trying to pull off . And can find no other way out except for angrily attack the ones who exposed he . This is very telling .
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Why do you reject your Dragon God Zanastra while you're being one of his creatures? He created you and your god so worship him for he is the creator of all things.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 that was profoundly incoherent. I don't believe in any gods. What does being a "creature" even mean or have to do with anything? You seem to be using the word in a way that makes you think you're delivering a gotcha, but unfortunately for you, none of us are in on your joke, bro.
@@ARoll925 I think he's doing one of those "creatures have a creator" lines of bullshit, but he's really bad at it, and I just assume that he's too dumb to explain what he's talking about.
Definitely a good response to Kim. Loved the change in approach when you realized she was only “believing” because she was scared not to. Shows how far we really have to come across the world to be able to give others the confidence they deserve in appreciating truth.
How was Kim scared to be out and out atheist in the UK? Outside of individual families, nobody gives a damn. She's busy lecturing others about being in judgement about privelege with an accent one ONLY gets from growing up with privelege. She never got that accent on a council sink estate. Note that she changed her story when faced with facts. When it was pointed out that atheism Detracted from privelege, she then claimed that she hadn't claimed being atheist endows one with privelege. She totally ignored the fact that atheism is a CAPITAL offence in a number of countries. Even in USA, the PRESIDENT has publicly derided atheists, and claimed they were not patriots, on tv.
How judgemental of you to shit on her just for her accent. We cannot choose where we are born and who we are born to. Depression and sadness come regardless of your wealth and social standing. Also not all people who have wealth are evil the way you make out to be. You come across as one of those classic "**** rich people" commenters. Which means you are jealous. Are you stuck in one of those grey prison like UK council estates? I've seen them!
I'm actually impressed how long Matt let Holy Rebel go on like that without hanging up. Usually he just hangs up when people stop trying to stick to their point and just starts throwing insults because they're scared.
she also paused at the end when Matt thorougly analyzed her which makes me believe she actually started THINKING about what he said. She might very well replay that part of the video and grow from that point forward. I dont think we need to ridicule her for that moment
Kim's expounding on how the "poor people of the 3rd world" can't have the "privilege" of atheism because then they couldn't bear their hard life is both condescending and untrue; I guess Kim has never really been outside her UK bubble....
It's no surprise that Holy Rebel's YT "Prophecy" video has "comments are disabled". He's not actually interested in listening, learning, or having meaningful dialogue.
I’m a black man living in the uk. I let it known on Facebook that I was an atheist. Most of my family and my friends now, treat me completely differently . Only today; a relative said he would get a religious group to attack me for my none belief in god. He may have been joking but you can see the train of thought.
@trevlac2000 I'm a young black atheist male from the UK too; I'm of caribbean background and I luckily haven't been treated badly/differently by the minority of family and friends I've told (some Christians). What's your background African, Caribbean, a combination or other?
That’s rough man, sorry to hear that. As a white man in the UK I’ve never suffered as a result of being an athiest. I have a couple of Muslim friends but other than them I don’t think I know anybody who devoutly believes in a god.
People talking about how there are no communities for people when they leave the church. No atheist communities. Don't any of these people have any hobbies?
Yeah, I made this comment to another post. Locally there is a model airplane club. And a running club. I'm sure there is a chess club and a bowling league. These are all secular communities that you can join. Find a community based on something you like to do as opposed to something you don't believe or do. I mean, the club GROSS (Get Rid of Slimey Girls) in Calvin and Hobbes is funny and all, but not all that meaningful.
The narcissism of an adult believing that God used his 8 year old self as a robot to save the life of another child is just staggering. The inefficiency of a God who would use an 8 year old instead of just commandeering the child's mother is stupifying. It amazes me the dark corners of our world and lives in which we search for meaning rather than just being present and finding meaning in the NOW.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Sorry, but are you referring to someone in the episode or to me? Difficult to tell when you're speaking in the third person, but if you are addressing me, I'm not in the least upset. I may be a bit concerned for your sanity if, in fact, you believe yourself to be telling me that it's impossible to not believe in something in which I've never believed.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 um you just sound like a crazy person spouting this nonsensical BS and calling everyone creature, and whatnot, if your god exists I can not imagine that he wants you to say anything you have said in these comment sections, it just creeps people out, and makes you sound like a nutter, also no one takes what you have continuously said in here seriously, do you realize that, its just rather annoying, pathetic, and sad, believe or else is not really convincing to anyone
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Really? You forgot to call him a creature after that implied threat of your imaginary friend’s equally imaginary eternal torture dungeon.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
Some very embarrassing callers today. I think Kim takes the cake. Non-intelligent juvenile rambling. The "Holy Rebel" dude was just dishonest and/or delusional.
Kim, being atheist is entirely in the mind. You don't need to be privileged. All of those people you say don't have the privilege to change their beliefs, all do. No matter where they live, how they live, where they're from or religious views, ALL get to be an atheist. EVERYONE is capable of believing in god or not. They don't need to read, or say what they believe. Being an atheist is no different than who you are attracted to, or what food you like. They can live in church and still not have a belief in god. You are childish and your argument has no basis in reality.
bob obo "Being an atheist is no different than who you are attracted to, or what food you like." I don't have a choice regarding who I am attracted to nor what food I like. Is this your point?
Yeah if you want proof that atheism isn't another religion as some people try to claim, just realize that unlike religions, it does not require missionaries. There's no specific word that has to be spread and taught. People need only reject claims that don't add up, and they'll end up at atheism regardless of where they are or what culture they're in. Now, it is true that if you're raised in a cult or uncontacted tribe or something and someone tells you the moon is the back of God's head or some nonsense and you have nothing to disprove that and minimal consequence for accepting it, yeah you're probably less likely to reject the supernatural claims you hear all the time. And that absolutely scales to everybody's own situation. So yes there are a lot more devout people in areas where rationality is minimized, etc, but the point remains true that the trend of society is towards atheism and there are atheists everywhere.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg Yes. Belief is not a choice; it is the result of being convinced. And we can demonstrate it thusly. Try to do the following two things: 1. Convince yourself that within an hour of reading this comment you'll be notified that your bank account has received 1 billion dollars from a random person. 2. Make yourself unconvinced that you are capable of breathing. In both cases you'll find you can't do it, you can't choose what you do or do not believe.
Yep,I had deja vu, I also thought it was hilarious how he was like you remember me from 3 years ago like his argument was so impressive from before, like you aren't nearly that impressive dude
I'm from UK and Kim doesn't understand the difference between religion in UK and other countries. You might find in UK a lot of people will say they are Church of England on a form or census but they don't actually practice anything.
I remember an episode of 'Yes, Prime Minister' where they were trying to find a new Archbishop of Canterbury and one of the candidates was objected to because 'he wants to turn the Church of England into a religious movement.'
I’m not sure he’s all that interested in being that much of an atheism activism guy. Maybe but I’m just not sure. I love his flat earth debunks though.
@@MrShigura I don't know, with as often as some of the callers want to get into the hard science of biology or cosmology, Prof. Dave would be amazing to have on the team. His debunks to a caller's face would be epic.
Kim is pretending to be offended on behalf of other the people who she’s assuming are underprivileged to make herself feel like she’s more moral person, it’s actually very disgusting
I was speaking to a Christian anti abortion activist. I told him that rape and incest are crimes are they not? He agreed. But, he said, the CHILD from that union committed no crime! I said, using your same logic, why are we all condemned for the sins of Adam and Eve?
I was initially convinced Kim was nuts with her claim that being atheist is a result of privilege but I actually think she has a point. We are, at least to some degree, products of our environment. Consider a young child growing up in rural Afghanistan who does not have the benefit of an education. No exposure to a liberal arts education. No exposure to the internet. No exposure to any ideas or concepts except what their Imam tells them is true and that their tribe, warlord, and family teach them. It isn't a matter of intelligence, but exposure. Intelligence is the ability to take in new information and synthesize it into novel ideas and applications. That's not what she was saying. She was talking about exposure to new ideas. It would be dishonest to argue that a kid living in the tribal areas of Afghanistan has easy access to new ideas and information that contradicts what they are taught. I do believe that having the opportunity to be exposed to a plethora of ideas, counter points, and different philosophies is privilege. While I disagree with EVERYTHING else she said, I do think she has a point about there being an aspect of privilege that allows us to be exposed to those ideas. I think both Matt and Jim were speaking from a very western-centric mindset and assuming that their experience is universal. Of course anyone can explore the possiblity that what they have been taught is not true but even the ideas we have are influenced by the information to which we are exposed. Someone whose entire family and social ties are dependent on sharing a set of views and values is less likely to question those views and values. Yes, it is possible to go through the motions but when there is no motivation to even question then that is unlikely. As a matter of fact, Jim and Matt both talked about religion permeating society because the Roman empire even had laws making not being a Christian punishable by death. Jim's exact words were "When you make not believing punishable by death, people have a tendency to believe". Now he may have been implying that they "act as if they believe whether they do or not" but I don't think that is what he meant. I do think being exposed to information that makes it possible to reject the religion into which we are born IS a result of some level of privilege, especially when we know that there are people who do not have that exposure. Jim also cited the ease of the spread of information being a result of the internet. As far as I can tell, he is correct. It has never been easier to have access to a mutlitude of ideas. But not everyone has access to the internet, as hard as that is to believe. Again, that is privilege. Living in a society that does not explicitly indoctrinate you into a lifestyle and belief system that includes killing and dying for belief is a privilige. Kim was wrong on every other point, but I don't think she was completely off-base on the idea that there is some level of privilege that leads to the possiblity of developing beliefs that reject theism.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 "Our God is not in a book snd didn't write any book" So this God you keep blarting on about is one you've invented then. Also, that "God didn't write any book"... Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm an atheist, always have been. "And the bible is metaphorical" So just a load of made up stories then. Been saying that all my life too. No need for Jesus if Adam and Eve's just metaphorical...
Kim’s call was so infuriating to me. I didn’t even mind that she had a bad take if she would have actually listened to Matt and Jim but she was constantly interrupting them mid point. Clearly wasn’t getting any of their points because she was too stuck in her own. Didn’t listen to a word they said. Why call in if you’re so unwilling to actually discuss?
Revelation, even if genuine, is only so for the person originally receiving it, the moment they relate it to someone else it becomes hearsay. This is why the sects of christianity based on revelation were defeated by the ones based on scripture and historical precedent; how are you going to establish authority when literally anyone can claim to listen to god? With a book and a supposed line of disciples you can restrict who gets to call the shots.
repetition and testing I suppose. I mean if you honestly interested in figuring out if you have prophesies or are delusional (I know I would be) I d try to come up with a list of tests to perform in order to get answers.
Kim ' there are so many underpriveled people in the world who need religion just to get through the day ' that is complete BS, religion prey on these people not help them
Someone trying to pull the 'you're afraid of discussing the bible/listening to quotes from it' card against Matt is like accusing a lifelong professional chef of being afraid of handling food while they are on a cooking show throwing together a meal; the accusation does indeed make one side of that equation look bad but it's not the one the accuser thinks it is.
@@ARoll925 I think I either interacted with or viewed interactions with this guy already, I promise you it's not worth it... If I recall, he is that flavor of intellectually dishonest christian with the logic of a 12 yr old... Discourse and debate are generally good, but it's mostly useless and stressful waste of time in my opinion when it is with a dishonest interlocutor. You don't have to take my word for it, engage if you like, And if you do, engage seriously and you better be decently versed at this type of discussion, in order to turn this thread into yet another record to the public of the intellectually dishonest and intellectually immature interlocutor that guy is... Best of luck🤞
@@Darius-kl3jk oh yeah, I know, he is all over the comments section with his 12 year old logic as you put it, I don't plan to interact with him much more then what I already have, thanks for looking out for me though, I have mostly called him out for calling people creature because for some reason it really creeps me out, his assertions are pretty pathetic, he has no argument just assertions without backing any of his statements up, certainly not worth anyone's time, it would be nice if the ACA could block individuals from posting because I would like to see him get blocked
@@ARoll925 I mean I'm okay with them blocking trolls, but generally I'm against the idea of them just all together blocking individuals only on the basis of intellectual dishonesty and intellectual immaturity... That is to say I don't think it's right for them to discard of people like this just because they're low-hanging fruit or mildly annoying uk? But yeah good night good morning or whatever
That was dan beecher from the podcasts thank god im atheist and how to heretic,if you haven't listened to those podcasts you definitely should they are fantastic, they are actually my Two favorite atheists podcasts
That lady who was going on about privilege made no sense at all. You can't believe something because you want to, no matter how hard you try. What you believe is what you believe.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ..............Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
Gilles: you ask what a completely atheistic society would look like. Such a thing doesn't exist yet; but all over the UK there are clues as to what one will eventually look like. If you see a big building with stained glass windows and a tall spire and it's actually a carpet warehouse or a furniture saleroom, you're seeing signs of a society moving steadily towards secularism. If you see any number of small, old, empty churches with 'For Sale' signs outside that also announce that they have planning permission for conversion to flats, that, too, is a sign that religions are giving up the (holy) ghost. So is a fine, big , old Victorian church in a city centre that became a nightclub/restaurant fifteen years ago. So is a supermarket where a parish church once stood. When did you last see a poster displaying one of those hand-painted 'thermometer' signs outside a church, showing how much more was needed to pay for essential maintenance? They disappeared when the red line on the thermometers began regularly to get stuck about a third of the way up. The church in which I was baptised, and attended twice on Sundays until the age of twelve, once staged the BBC TV Sunday evening programme Songs of Praise. The church, a Methodist showcase deliberately designed and built to outshine ever other denomination's place of worship for miles around, had been built for a congregation of more than a thousand, with a balcony above the ground floor nave. When the cameras arrived, the congregations of five other Methodist churches in the area had been shipped in to boost the attendance. On television it looked like a busy and active church; but the cameras lied. So did the BBC. Only one half of the nave was shown, and the empty balcony was carefully ignored. I didn't ignore it. Within a few weeks I finally embraced the Atheism I had been exploring for a long time. This was in the early 1960s. Even back then, religion was (in)visibly declining.
you ask what a completely atheistic society would look like. Such a thing doesn't exist yet; - false - it looks like Nazi Germany, the USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pots Cambodia, Castros Cuba, Chavez' Venezuela - over 100 mill slaughtered , just in the 20th century alone
Holy Rebel, if you read the comments I’d just like to tell you that you sounded extremely foolish, you were crying like a baby, a grown man acting like that, but it was amusing laughing at you.
I seen no reason to insult babies like that. Babies cry because its their only way of communication, so its an intelligent choice for a baby to cry. Absolutely no intelligent were mady by the holy moron.
"Holy Rebel Movement" should change his alias to "Absolute Christian Arrogance" and just cut to the chase... Whoops: The Acronym would be ACA...never mind...
They had a similar problem on the British show Red Dwarf... Erm, I think we're all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? And I think it comes down to a choice between "The League Against Salivating Monsters," or - and this is my personal preference - "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." Erm, one drawback with that - the abbreviation is C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S.
Absolutely. In fact, I think both their answers to caller Jim really represented athiestic thinking very well. It's a really good understanding of the foundational aspects of what atheism means in practice. When you hear the apologetics clowns attacking the "atheist worldview," they go on about crap like creation and stuff. That's not the atheist worldview. That's orthoganal to the issue. Matt and Jim's discussion of the implications of heaven and hell, and the absence thereof, that's a discussion of atheistic worldview. "If you don't believe in God, then who created the universe?" "I don't know. That's a science question that we don't have fully worked out. Doesn't change the fact universe exists, so doesn't affect me much." "If heaven and hell don't exist, then what does that mean for your life?" Now that's an answer worth listening to and thinking about, and you can see that Jim and Matt have thought about it. I think Jim's answer was beautiful.
Actually he said he was no longer waiting for death. This means he was never afraid of death but that he wasn't enjoying life and was just waiting to die and go to heaven. When he realized this was not the reality he looked at life in a new way. As someone who has lived with suicidal ideation all my life I can empathize a lot with this. It's easy to have a death wish when you think you are going to go to heaven. This is almost torture for a depressed person. The idea that when you die you go to heaven but if you end things yourself you will go to hell is a bit of a mind fuck. Now I get to chose for myself if I want to continue. I live for myself, my loved ones and the community around me now, not just to avoid going to hell. I have a hell of a lot more meaning in my life now that I don't think this is all just a test.
Kim, you can't choose to believe things. You can SAY you have chosen, but you are merely affirming/claiming that you have been convinced. That's what belief means, being convinced of a proposition. If you still disagree, then choose something right now that you currently disbelieve in. Let's say the existence of leprechauns. OK, you don't believe in them right now. CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in them for 10 minutes and explain what convinced you.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
Caller Kim isn't looking for nonreligious community as much as she's making excuses to stay with a community shes comfortable in calling "non-priveliged" Every person has the privilege to think their own thoughts. To worship or not worship, believe or not believe. Of course how someones raised ( if youre indoctrinated ) has an influence. However if you're exposed to contradictory ideas its up to you whether you're going to pay attention to those contradictions. Its your privilege as a thinking human.
Kim said she was a theist, then not, then her sibling died and she is a believer again and not believing is a privilege. she has trouble dealing with death and finds comfort in an alleged afterlife
I can, as a Londoner, understand why she thinks there wouldn't be "atheist groups" here. Religion isn't such a big deal, that we don't really *need* such things. There isn't a default presumption that the person sitting next to you on the tube is a Christian.
I drove past 5 churches the last time I went to the grocery, which is not allowed to sell booze on Sunday morning, and is closed on Christmas. Tell me more about how atheists are more privileged than Christians.
Just about the odds of Mike experience. What are the odds that I passed a specific person on the highway, born in another state who is traveling for the first time? VERY UNLIKELY. But it happens all the time. Improbable things with "impossible" odds happen at EVERY moment in time. The difference is you chose one specific experience, because it was important in your life (and theirs) and was very unlikely. The mistake was not realizing that unlikely things are everywhere and 99.99999% of these improbable events that happen are mundane & you dont even notice them. Did you ever think about the odds of picking up a certain fruit in a grocery store? What are the odds of picking up the apple you did? Its insanely improbable. (The fruit had to be selectively bred by generations of farmers, those farmers had picked that specific plant for its propertys, and then cloned and grafted onto other plants to keep that type of apple. That specific type of apple had to have the properties and marketing that would make it desirable and profitable enough to continue growing and remain a staple for generations, it was then picked from the branch by a specific individual, delivered by a specific company and person, placed on the shelves when you happened to be in that market & then you chose that specific apple out of all the other apples) As you can see the improbable argument is meaningless. You can endow impossible odds on just about anything in life if you are specific enough. Plus, what about the odds of the unlikely deaths. Falling coconuts kill people. Is that God too?
@@markburch6253 No, I mean, for example , getting a full house in poker, even if it happens, you can still figure out the probability for it to be drawn the next hand. But it doesn’t matter the odds, because if it happens occasionally, it still happens. People occasionally save each other from drowning, he happened to be the one it happened to... AND? Where is god in that?
@@MrShigura Exactly, everything can be made improbable, but yet they happen constantly to everyone. Not just for life saving experiences, but random stuff like tieing a shoelace or breathing a particular atom of oxygen. It's completely meaningless to attribute God to that if basically every instance of reality can be claimed as improbable.
Thanks for reminding me how oppressive the "bible belt" can be. It makes me grateful to have been raised "religion neutral" without the thought control of religion. Growing up in Canada I never knew that atheists were oppressed to such a degree in different parts of the world. And in some places, Christians are still being killed/oppressed for not picking the "correct version" of Christianity.
How about the thousands of kids that die each year in bike accidents, car accidents, other drownings etc. why didn’t God send someone to save them? It’s utterly ridiculous to think that that was divine inspiration.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
It didn't save them because they didn't truly believe. Plus suffering is good. And all the other utter bollocks the religious types spout at moments like this.
Gilles asking what an Atheistic civilisations hasn’t happened yet. We can look at Japan and China, or closer to the UK , all the Scandinavian countries are among the least religious countries in the world and score the highest in education, life expectancy, income pro capita and happiness, enough?
I have to say that in general Matt's pretty reasonable with his callers, I couldn't do any better...but sometimes they're total jackasses like the 2nd caller who says he's a prophet...he deserved to get hung up on given that he wasn't answering the question and getting extremely rude and obnoxious. I think Matt was probably too tolerant in that case and should've dropped him after repeating himself a few times, I was glad when he finally got rid of him.
Speaking from Sri Lanka (majority Buddhist country), baptised at birth, I was a Christian until I was around 21. I am currently an atheist, and I am in the minority of the minority. Coming out as an Atheist makes things difficult in social situations but also professional ones. Atheism is not a privilege, and us "third worlders" are not so pathetic that we *cannot* live without religion. Except maybe due to the threats of the religious. The arrogance of Kim is infuriating.
@Viktor Tandofsky You act as if this buybull of yours is some mysterious book that nobody knows, nobody’s read, and nobody can get a copy of unless you’re a member of your secret cult. Most of us have read your damn buybull dude, and we reject it for the immoral, barbaric, misogynistic, fictional bullshit that it is!
I’ve always been a non believer of gods, and as a toddler I went to a church one time with a neighbor. From what I remember it was some podunk country church (prob kkk) and I remember hating having to get up early (as I still am) and falling asleep during this long mundane ramble. In middle school I would sometimes go to this church with my stoner friend and they were cool. The church would rent a high school gym and was a music based church, they sang cheesy Christian songs and were pretty chill. But I’d still get bored and want the donuts afterwards, and I could see my friend was kindof faking it the way he had his hands in the air, eyes closed, swaying and singing along. We would usually skip the second half and walk around outside.
@Viktor Tandofsky exposed for what? Not pretending to think a hell maker is real? Not pretending to like it’s ideas? Please tell me how I’m supposed to actually have love feelings for something that made up and uses a hell? Sorry, but most all modern god claims, (especially main stream) have the baggage of hell. So please, expose me! Tell me how I’m really in love with this hell maker guy thingy.
If it makes you feel better, Holy Rebel. I went to John 16:13 just to see if it helped your case. BTW, yes, a lot of atheists have Bibles in our homes... I have one on my desk that I go to often AND I'm not afraid of reading it or the scriptures. It didn't help your case. It just basically says that the holy spirit will let you know what is truth and what is yet to come. Which is just confirmation bias or self-fulfilling. Still doesn't show how what you said came from a god or which god. Your prophecy was nothing more than what many of us were thinking and saying at that time. It was... MEHH...
But it also says god deceives the wicked so he can condemn them, and also that god condones a spirit of deception. So a person would have no way of knowing if they are being given information from the holy spirit ( I call him old spooky) or if god is deliberately deceiving them so he can condemn them.
Everyone's talking about that holy rebel fool and I totally agree he's ridiculous, but for me, it's people like the Kim caller that are the most infuriating to deal with.
I agree her attitude was bad... I kind of feel sorry for her. I kind of guessed at the start that her concern with atheism and privilege were signs of projection and I feel sorry that she can't be the person she actually wants to be. That's a horrible situation...
Yes.... she said " with all due respect" several times without actually showing any herself.....waiting for her turn to talk without listening to Matt and Jim
In Countries where there are more people and societies that organize their lives around what can be shown, with evidence, to be true, it definitely tends to be a better society than that which occurs in Countries that don’t and don’t care about statistics, science, evidence and truth.
This was brought up the last time Holy Rebel called in but he's a complete fraud. He posts videos AFTER things happened saying oh no I totally got a vision before this happened" I'm so glad that instead of hanging up on him Matt kept grilling him and holding his feet to the fire exposing him for the pathetic simpering coward he is.
I have a funny anecdote from High School. We were having a class in Government and the teacher was telling us that the Constitution guaranties freedom of worship; we can chose to be Muslim, atheist, etc. "But nevertheless, we are all Christians here, aren't we? Rise your hand if you are." (I'm talking about Argentina). Everybody rised their hand but me. The teacher approached me and asked very surprised "What about you?" I said I didn't have any belief in particular; then he asked very upset "But have you been baptised?" - "Yes" - "THEN you are Catholic." - "But I don't believe..." - "It doesn't matter; you are a Catholic." Then I thought, this is funny; the legal national document of the Nation says I can chose, but then again, I can't. -- This is the big dichotomy; On Sunday you are told that if you don't believe in certain god, "you go to hell" (I remember the priest saying so when I was a kid). Then on Monday you are told that you can freely chose... Children may see adults as quite undecided and confusing...
Jim's explanation about how he wasted so much life believing the lie and restrained of doing what he truly wanted really made me sad... It is so sad to be indoctrinated
Matt effortlessly and eloquently dismantling holy rebel might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen. I'm not being hyperbolic. It really was amazing to whatch. I'm probably just ignorant but I wouldn't have been able to think on my feet so fast knocking down his babbling 1 by 1.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
Holy Rebel's video about this call is funny. He says there is a difference between a someone like him reading scripture (while filled with the holy ghost), and someone like Matt reading scripture (while demonically possessed). So only he can properly interpret it.
If one believes that deities are just ideas, and nothing but ideas (as any believer thinks that only his god is the real one and all the rest are delusions), I can't "reject" or "accept" something that is not there. And I can't be skeptical because I don't doubt that those are (just) ideas, and I'm not agnostic since I can't claim I am not certain that "god" is nothing but a mental concept. The question "Why don't you believe in god?" is equivalent of asking "Why can't you believe in a fantasy?" And I can't be judged by any god, since to be judged you must have freedom-to-chose (freedom of worship), and I don't have such freedom since I can't help to believe (to repeat myself) that deities are nothing BUT mental constructs.
If we removed the amount of ppl who say they merely go to church out of community, or because the don't care for the truth, then churches would nearly be empty.
Was his first prophecy the one with the actor-rapper getting stabbed? His cousin. Gee, how could you have known your cousin juuust might have violent friends. Or even have pissed someone off already.
39% of people in England call themselves non religious, wtf is Kim talking about. She is privileged just like me (Belgian) that she lives in a country where you can call yourself atheist and basically the harshest reaction you'll probably get is "meh", compared to fundamentalist USA were you can get shunned for revealing this. My best friend is muslim and doesn't come close to the religious fundamentalism that I regularly hear from American christians. We generally don't talk that much about religion but when we do we understand that we think differently on that subject and he accepts that I don't believe any of the abrahamic doctrines and I accept he does. I am in my early 40's and he is in his late 30's and we've been friends for over 20 years now.
Holy Rebel: We don't care what the scriptures say, until you can prove that the Bible is true It's just an old book to us. Preaching the Bible to us is not evidence of anything, it's a waste of time.
@John Wood I'm sorry John but I'm not going to waste the only life I'm ever going to have on a fairytale. If you would like to do that that is your choice. I prefer reality.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
01:36 Mark-GA | I Can't Prove Anything
09:04 Holy Rebel-FL | Received A Prophecy Of The Past
25:42 Arnie-WA | Catching Up With Arnie...Joining The Atheist Inner Circle
37:17 ACA Clips: "Vagina" est... Aug 30, 2021
39:18 Jim-(CA) | Getting Past The Fear Of No Longer Being
51:01 Kim-(UK) | Atheists Are Privileged, Privileged Are Atheists...
1:14:50 Mike-CA | The Caller Felt An Urge To Go Home (Boom! Paranormal Proven!)
1:28:02 Gilles-(UK) | What Would An Atheist Civilization Look Like?
1:42:26 Outro
Thank-you time stamp person/s
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@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 and aren’t you a troll ? See how that works.
I want to recommend a new show for the ACA network. How about a weekly science education show? The show will educate the public on science subjects with special emphasis on those areas where theists tend to misuse science to prove the existence of God, e.g. the law of thermodynamics, quantum physics, DNA, etc. The format can be: first 30 minutes is an educational presentation about a particular science subject and how theists often misuse it as evidence for God (if pertinent). The rest of the show you would entertain calls for those who have questions on the subject and for those who wish to point to any other fact of science that serves as evidence of God.
I think this will be hugely beneficial because so many theists are clinging to religion just because they don't really understand evolution and they mistakenly think that a God is the more reasonable explanation for the existence of diverse, complex life showing apparent design. But if they can have evolution explained to them in a simple, understandable way, many of them will have an awakening.
@@caribbeanman3379 You should write them an email.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 🙏 😊
“Let me quote scripture!”
“Why should I?”
“Let me quote scripture!”
“Okay, quote scripture.”
“I don’t wanna.” 😭
it was classic.
And while I'd love to hop over to his channel just to point out how bad his argument is, I'm not giving his little channel the hits.
@@ReiperX Wouldn’t matter anyway, he has comments disabled.
That dude looked like such a fool after that, I mean he did before but especially after, although I do think matt did kinda misunderstand what he said, he was saying on the morning of Nov. 3rd which was election day he had his vision but it seemed like matt thought it was the day after election day, which ever it was though it is such a nonsensical thing to say one of 2 candidates would win when his opponent lost by 3 million votes in the previous election and became president because of the antiquated bullshit way we count the votes, that is wholly unimpressive, and adding military to his inauguration is not at all impressive either, it was especially silly once he started to realize he had lost his argument again, it would have been more impressive if he said matt would be president and matt became president, because matt wasn't even in the race, then I might be impressed
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I don't even know what you mean by that, I don't believe in a god
@@ARoll925 Election day is November 2nd. Matt and Jim know that and the real issue here is that you do not.
Holy Rebel is such a good prophet that he couldn't predict that Matt wouldn't remember him.
I believe he was a Radio Shack employee and didnt see its demise either! Fart sound
Caller: “I’m Holy Rebel, y’all. Matt knows me!”
Matt: “🤷🏻♂️”
Me: “I’m suddenly getting a prophetic vision that this call is going to be another car crash.”
You could hear him?
...or how the call would go from the start ^^
Well god works in mysterious ways lmfao
I remember Holy Rebel. Someone in the comments called him Nostra-dumb-ass. lol.
Ooh that's great!
Hahahaha........nice one.
Holy Bowel Movement
ROFL. Thank you for that.
Wasn't he the Guy who believe he is the next jesus ?
You can tell holy rebel expected matt to remember him.
Dude is a total narcissist.
What he is claiming about himself further shows that to be the case.
Exactly what I thought, he was like oh matt knows me, and matt had no clue who the hell he was, I remebered his asinine bullshit because his unusual name, but matt has probably talked to thousands of people about this stuff since he last spoke to mr.rebel, I mean in his mind the supposed creator of the entire universe loves and cares about him so of course a guy he talked to once 3 years ago will remember him
I wonder if he has a Gmail in his sent folder titled “On 17th Oct I’ll be embarrassed on a live call-in show again”?
Rebel getting on the show before was the closest to being on stage with a celebrity he'd ever been; made a huge impression on him, despite the fact that Matt fed him into the meat grinder before. So of course he thought he'd be remembered...he thinks he's memorable.
@@Heathen.Deity. he has a video up claiming that because Matt hung up on him last time - proves he is the winner. His YT channel has about 113 subscribers and is 5 years old. That's his ministry.
@@LPCLASSICAL I can’t think why he doesn’t have more followers. Maybe he should use email more?
I've just had a prophecy that someone called Holy Rebel Movement will call into the Atheist Experience.
That's funny, I just had a prophecy that someone would comment about Holy Rebel Movement calling into the Atheist Experience.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is REAL - IT GAVE ME A PROPHECY!!!
I prophesied that you would message that
@@ross-carlson damn you for beating me to the punch .....line
I guess Holy Rebel Movement is better than being from the Holy Bowel Movement.
(Located next door to Taco Bell)
Gmail screenshots or you didn’t
I am a physician in Brazil, saying that I am an atheist constantly made me lose patients, unfortunately now I just avoid the question.
It's really hard to understand Kim because she mistakes a privilege for a benefit. Being an atheist is a benefit because it frees up your mind to consider knowledge outside of a religious framework.
It felt to me like there was a misunderstanding of what she was saying. To me she was saying Matt has the privilege of religious freedom as an American, and can openly be atheist without fear of consequences from his government or the society he lives in.
I’m thinking she might only feel atheists have a privilege because I’ve heard the UK has a different feel to the US. People aren’t as religious there or they are, but they keep it to themselves. It’s not like the US where we have a lot of fundamentalist believers and other religious groups.
God, that Kim, what a bleeding heart 😒
@@TheRealFumigator no, I don't think so. She's from a place where atheism is pretty much the default, and has no comprehension of the extent to which christians assert their privilege in the USA, sometimes violently.
@@TheRealFumigator you mean like the ‘privileges’ mentioned… like being socially ostracised by family/community, being excluded from holding public office, having your vehicle keyed (multiple times), being subjected to threats/actual physical violence… those sorts of privileges?
Gilles: "What would a completely atheistic society look like"?
Me: "A really good start"
heaven ^^
@@fritzhaselnuss7852 I almost wrote that too. Totally agree.
@Viktor Tandofsky I'm sorry to hear that. And we don't want you to be miserable with reality. But this is what it is. Maybe you should call and talk to someone.
@Viktor Tandofsky
"I'd rather be dead than be an atheist."
Ah, the Kool Aid is strong with this one.
@Viktor Tandofsky You don't need to be an atheist to live in an atheist society.
Kim proves not everything said with a British accent sounds smart.
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Lol .
Of course not, most British people aren't even posh, I don't know why Americans believe all this shit.
Lmao😂😂😂😂
Matt should of said “no” in UK accent. “Naow naow naow Kim, stop!”
Matt did a fantastic job staying focused and asking perfect questions. He's so damn good at this task, watching the craft so expertly performed is nearly as entertaining as the ideas themselves. Thanks everyone involved!
😂
It's not a surprise to see that The Holy Rebel Movement is , " Still Crazy After All These Years ".
Why didn’t he put some money on this and donate his winnings to his church? Oh, because the bookies wouldn’t take that bet
his dumb ass actually thinks he can translate this call to youtube pennies
He's typical of the arrogant, self-important, self-righteous, know-nothing clowns I've come to expect from theism.
Kim is looking at religions being in a privileged position and saying "you have to be privileged to not be a part of this". What a con job
I think I get Kim, although she did a poor job articulating it.
The thing I think she is trying to get at is:
To be able to have the time/energy/resources to question your indoctrination, requires an amount of privilege. There are people who are unable to question thier ideology/indoctrination because they don't have the time or resources or ability to "waste" thinking about these things while busily working on seemingly more pragmatic things, like getting rent paid or raising thier children or whatever.
Kim may not be very articulate, but as someone who grew up in the third world, and been HUNGRY and homeless, I completely get her underlying point. When your intellectual energy is focused on survival, you don't really have time to muse philosophical about whether God/s exist. Material survival trumps everything else. Matt needs anger management. If his goal is to change minds yelling and insulting isn't the best method.
@@barndoor1262
That’s what I’ve been trying to point out in another comment. I think the hosts misinterpreted her point and knocked her for it.
@@blackalien6873 I totally and fully agree.
I have some sympathy for Matt's human flaws. He was never elected as the best representative for this argument but he stepped up and I imagine he is doing his best. He's not the perfect person for this job but I believe he's one of the best we have right now.
I am not the perfect person for the position at my job, but no one else was doing it so I filled that spot. In my opinion, I rate his patience as medium. Some of the cohosts may have much more patience but are comparatively lacking in other ways.
@@WilliamMorfin Total agreement. As a public speaker, I can understand the difficulty in perceiving where people are going while on live camera.
...however, as the call went on it seemed she was starting to pick at other contentions.
Holy Rebel has comments turned off on his channel. So who is scared?
Holy rebel movement is really a bowel movement.
I've just ate at taco bell, you know, laxative in a taco shell! I'm awaiting my holy rebel movement! 💩
@@jamesjohnson3910 you’ll feel The Spirit for sure
As a Brit, Matt saying “bollocks” is the best thing ever.
No
@@Nekotaku_TV yis
@@cmpc724 wat
I wasn’t expecting to be more irritated by Kim than the Holy Rebel but wow was I wrong.
Same lol.
I felt bad for Kim because I was 100% in the same boat when I lost a loved one. A religious funeral appeals to emotion rather than reason, and it was enough to persuade me to suspend my disbelief for almost a year.
Kim, how can anybody “choose” to believe something they aren’t convinced is true?
Oh Kim. This is really easy. Why aren’t you getting it 🤦🏻♂️
For Kim, as a fellow Brit. It's not about a specific religious or atheist community. Find some sort of hobby, a club that interests you. You will meet a whole range of people from different backgrounds some may have a faith, but being the UK most will likely be non believers. It's about making friends! As for privalidge- bollocks. Socio-economic, racial background etc makes no difference. I know people from the most disadvantaged groups who are atheist and always have been. Get out there and meet people.
She mentions the desperate people who come to her church. In some cases people turn to religion when they are desperate. In other cases, some desperate people get a free meal from their church, but only if they listen to a sermon first. Perhaps it is not that "only privileged people can be atheists", but rather that people in crisis tend to turn to religion.
@@annk.8750 I think you hit the point there.
The phrase ‘Religion preys on the weak’ is related to this at the exploitation end. However, good-hearted people in faith communities can offer a sympathy that provides a comfort that people in crisis and lonely people can hold to in the absence of emotional or parental hugs.
I agree about getting a hobby or joining a group . You are right about people having diverse backgrounds and so no religion strings attached to being a part of something.
Of course background makes a difference, there are atheists from all backgrounds but your background has an effect on what you believe. I don't know why it has to be one extreme or the other. Sounds like some "I don't see colour" type bs, we don't have to ignore what makes us different.
Holy rebel is lashing out exactly like a con man would . If he got caught and confronted while in the middle of the con job he's trying to pull off . And can find no other way out except for angrily attack the ones who exposed he . This is very telling .
I predict Matt will at some point in the future say, "Let me F@#$ing finish!"
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 why do you always post the dumbest comment in each thread?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Why do you reject your Dragon God Zanastra while you're being one of his creatures? He created you and your god so worship him for he is the creator of all things.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 that was profoundly incoherent.
I don't believe in any gods.
What does being a "creature" even mean or have to do with anything? You seem to be using the word in a way that makes you think you're delivering a gotcha, but unfortunately for you, none of us are in on your joke, bro.
@@Ematched yes, I agree that dude is so damn annoying, with his god exists creature, quit calling everyone creature, you sound nuts, is is bizarre
@@ARoll925 I think he's doing one of those "creatures have a creator" lines of bullshit, but he's really bad at it, and I just assume that he's too dumb to explain what he's talking about.
Definitely a good response to Kim. Loved the change in approach when you realized she was only “believing” because she was scared not to. Shows how far we really have to come across the world to be able to give others the confidence they deserve in appreciating truth.
How was Kim scared to be out and out atheist in the UK? Outside of individual families, nobody gives a damn. She's busy lecturing others about being in judgement about privelege with an accent one ONLY gets from growing up with privelege. She never got that accent on a council sink estate. Note that she changed her story when faced with facts. When it was pointed out that atheism Detracted from privelege, she then claimed that she hadn't claimed being atheist endows one with privelege. She totally ignored the fact that atheism is a CAPITAL offence in a number of countries. Even in USA, the PRESIDENT has publicly derided atheists, and claimed they were not patriots, on tv.
How judgemental of you to shit on her just for her accent. We cannot choose where we are born and who we are born to.
Depression and sadness come regardless of your wealth and social standing.
Also not all people who have wealth are evil the way you make out to be. You come across as one of those classic "**** rich people" commenters. Which means you are jealous.
Are you stuck in one of those grey prison like UK council estates? I've seen them!
I'm actually impressed how long Matt let Holy Rebel go on like that without hanging up. Usually he just hangs up when people stop trying to stick to their point and just starts throwing insults because they're scared.
Holy Rebel has comments turned off on his response to this, what a surprise 😂😂
Kim made a complete fool of herself. I have never heard such contradiction. All she has to do is play the video back. Unreal.
Blinded by her own obnoxiousness at almost every turn during this call.
@@Heathen.Deity. Revved up like a deuce, another runner in the night.
I thought she recognised the reality of her position at the end, then Matt made it explicit for her.
she also paused at the end when Matt thorougly analyzed her which makes me believe she actually started THINKING about what he said. She might very well replay that part of the video and grow from that point forward. I dont think we need to ridicule her for that moment
@@fritzhaselnuss7852 I agree. I thought this turned into a very positive call.
Kim's expounding on how the "poor people of the 3rd world" can't have the "privilege" of atheism because then they couldn't bear their hard life is both condescending and untrue; I guess Kim has never really been outside her UK bubble....
The response video on Holy Rebel's channel has likes and comments blocked. Imagine that!
Are you serious?😂
I think I'm going to go over to his channel and see that.
He is just a wanna be narcissistic cult leader. Useless
It's no surprise that Holy Rebel's YT "Prophecy" video has "comments are disabled". He's not actually interested in listening, learning, or having meaningful dialogue.
Hilarious. He claims Matt is too scared to hear the scripture read but he demonstrates that he is afraid to have people comment on his videos.
I’m a black man living in the uk. I let it known on Facebook that I was an atheist. Most of my family and my friends now, treat me completely differently . Only today; a relative said he would get a religious group to attack me for my none belief in god. He may have been joking but you can see the train of thought.
At least you know now who the decent people are in your family and who are not!
Your lack of white privilege is overcome by your atheist privilege! ;-)
@trevlac2000 I'm a young black atheist male from the UK too; I'm of caribbean background and I luckily haven't been treated badly/differently by the minority of family and friends I've told (some Christians). What's your background African, Caribbean, a combination or other?
@@kaylemkerr6989 I'm Jamaican, the island with more churches per capita than anywhere else in the world
That’s rough man, sorry to hear that. As a white man in the UK I’ve never suffered as a result of being an athiest. I have a couple of Muslim friends but other than them I don’t think I know anybody who devoutly believes in a god.
Holy Rebel, owned on a cosmic level; completely destroyed all throughout the multiverse.
Why didn't god give jesus a GoPro? Surely he would know that would be much better evidence.
18:03 That synchronized "I don't care what the Bible says" was gold. :-D
The call with KIM-UK was great, you could here her mental cage breaking. Well done Matt&Jim
People talking about how there are no communities for people when they leave the church. No atheist communities. Don't any of these people have any hobbies?
Yeah, I made this comment to another post. Locally there is a model airplane club. And a running club. I'm sure there is a chess club and a bowling league. These are all secular communities that you can join.
Find a community based on something you like to do as opposed to something you don't believe or do. I mean, the club GROSS (Get Rid of Slimey Girls) in Calvin and Hobbes is funny and all, but not all that meaningful.
@@flowingafterglow629 Exactly. You don't have to join a community based on not being atheist, just join one that ISN'T THEIST.
The narcissism of an adult believing that God used his 8 year old self as a robot to save the life of another child is just staggering. The inefficiency of a God who would use an 8 year old instead of just commandeering the child's mother is stupifying.
It amazes me the dark corners of our world and lives in which we search for meaning rather than just being present and finding meaning in the NOW.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I AM in the now.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Sorry, but are you referring to someone in the episode or to me? Difficult to tell when you're speaking in the third person, but if you are addressing me, I'm not in the least upset. I may be a bit concerned for your sanity if, in fact, you believe yourself to be telling me that it's impossible to not believe in something in which I've never believed.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
Pathetic creature worships the demon.
You simple creature.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 um you just sound like a crazy person spouting this nonsensical BS and calling everyone creature, and whatnot, if your god exists I can not imagine that he wants you to say anything you have said in these comment sections, it just creeps people out, and makes you sound like a nutter, also no one takes what you have continuously said in here seriously, do you realize that, its just rather annoying, pathetic, and sad, believe or else is not really convincing to anyone
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Go away.
"Religion exploits our inability to think correctly." Nice one Matt.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Really? You forgot to call him a creature after that implied threat of your imaginary friend’s equally imaginary eternal torture dungeon.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 I’m genuinely worried about you, kid. You’re having some problems.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 there's a lot of yourself to get beyond, creature. You've got issues, to put it mildly.
Some very embarrassing callers today. I think Kim takes the cake. Non-intelligent juvenile rambling. The "Holy Rebel" dude was just dishonest and/or delusional.
Matt I very much appreciate you using the UK-based term "bollocks" whilst talking to my fellow countrywoman 😂
Kim, being atheist is entirely in the mind. You don't need to be privileged. All of those people you say don't have the privilege to change their beliefs, all do. No matter where they live, how they live, where they're from or religious views, ALL get to be an atheist.
EVERYONE is capable of believing in god or not. They don't need to read, or say what they believe.
Being an atheist is no different than who you are attracted to, or what food you like. They can live in church and still not have a belief in god.
You are childish and your argument has no basis in reality.
harsh but fair
bob obo
"Being an atheist is no different than who you are attracted to, or what food you like."
I don't have a choice regarding who I am attracted to nor what food I like. Is this your point?
Yeah if you want proof that atheism isn't another religion as some people try to claim, just realize that unlike religions, it does not require missionaries. There's no specific word that has to be spread and taught. People need only reject claims that don't add up, and they'll end up at atheism regardless of where they are or what culture they're in.
Now, it is true that if you're raised in a cult or uncontacted tribe or something and someone tells you the moon is the back of God's head or some nonsense and you have nothing to disprove that and minimal consequence for accepting it, yeah you're probably less likely to reject the supernatural claims you hear all the time. And that absolutely scales to everybody's own situation. So yes there are a lot more devout people in areas where rationality is minimized, etc, but the point remains true that the trend of society is towards atheism and there are atheists everywhere.
@@SamIAm-kz4hg Yes. Belief is not a choice; it is the result of being convinced. And we can demonstrate it thusly. Try to do the following two things:
1. Convince yourself that within an hour of reading this comment you'll be notified that your bank account has received 1 billion dollars from a random person.
2. Make yourself unconvinced that you are capable of breathing.
In both cases you'll find you can't do it, you can't choose what you do or do not believe.
Wasn't Holy Rebel the guy that went straight up hostile towards them when he called BS on his stuff before?
Yes. He tried to spew one of his bullshit prophecies, and Matt shut him down.
@@jerryking45 yup just got to that part of the call and he did the same dumb crap again.
Yep,I had deja vu, I also thought it was hilarious how he was like you remember me from 3 years ago like his argument was so impressive from before, like you aren't nearly that impressive dude
I am pretty sure he is GMan
@@edheal3246 he's not, gman sounds more feminine
I'm from UK and Kim doesn't understand the difference between religion in UK and other countries. You might find in UK a lot of people will say they are Church of England on a form or census but they don't actually practice anything.
I remember an episode of 'Yes, Prime Minister' where they were trying to find a new Archbishop of Canterbury and one of the candidates was objected to because 'he wants to turn the Church of England into a religious movement.'
yeah, in England we generally associate religion with old people and stupid people
Professor Dave would be a good host in this show also. Honest , decent guy.
Definitely!
I’m not sure he’s all that interested in being that much of an atheism activism guy. Maybe but I’m just not sure. I love his flat earth debunks though.
@@MrShigura I don't know, with as often as some of the callers want to get into the hard science of biology or cosmology, Prof. Dave would be amazing to have on the team. His debunks to a caller's face would be epic.
Yes!!!
@@wyldink1 Oh I agree, just not sure if he’d be interested.
Kim is pretending to be offended on behalf of other the people who she’s assuming are underprivileged to make herself feel like she’s more moral person, it’s actually very disgusting
When those people themselves complain about it then they still get shit on and told to shut up.
I was speaking to a Christian anti abortion activist. I told him that rape and incest are crimes are they not? He agreed. But, he said, the CHILD from that union committed no crime! I said, using your same logic, why are we all condemned for the sins of Adam and Eve?
I was initially convinced Kim was nuts with her claim that being atheist is a result of privilege but I actually think she has a point. We are, at least to some degree, products of our environment. Consider a young child growing up in rural Afghanistan who does not have the benefit of an education. No exposure to a liberal arts education. No exposure to the internet. No exposure to any ideas or concepts except what their Imam tells them is true and that their tribe, warlord, and family teach them. It isn't a matter of intelligence, but exposure. Intelligence is the ability to take in new information and synthesize it into novel ideas and applications. That's not what she was saying. She was talking about exposure to new ideas. It would be dishonest to argue that a kid living in the tribal areas of Afghanistan has easy access to new ideas and information that contradicts what they are taught.
I do believe that having the opportunity to be exposed to a plethora of ideas, counter points, and different philosophies is privilege. While I disagree with EVERYTHING else she said, I do think she has a point about there being an aspect of privilege that allows us to be exposed to those ideas. I think both Matt and Jim were speaking from a very western-centric mindset and assuming that their experience is universal. Of course anyone can explore the possiblity that what they have been taught is not true but even the ideas we have are influenced by the information to which we are exposed. Someone whose entire family and social ties are dependent on sharing a set of views and values is less likely to question those views and values. Yes, it is possible to go through the motions but when there is no motivation to even question then that is unlikely.
As a matter of fact, Jim and Matt both talked about religion permeating society because the Roman empire even had laws making not being a Christian punishable by death. Jim's exact words were "When you make not believing punishable by death, people have a tendency to believe". Now he may have been implying that they "act as if they believe whether they do or not" but I don't think that is what he meant. I do think being exposed to information that makes it possible to reject the religion into which we are born IS a result of some level of privilege, especially when we know that there are people who do not have that exposure.
Jim also cited the ease of the spread of information being a result of the internet. As far as I can tell, he is correct. It has never been easier to have access to a mutlitude of ideas. But not everyone has access to the internet, as hard as that is to believe. Again, that is privilege. Living in a society that does not explicitly indoctrinate you into a lifestyle and belief system that includes killing and dying for belief is a privilige.
Kim was wrong on every other point, but I don't think she was completely off-base on the idea that there is some level of privilege that leads to the possiblity of developing beliefs that reject theism.
Yeah okay but in the end the point is, is it true?
Omg, Kim is one of the most annoying damned callers that I’ve ever heard. So confused and irrational
Magical Chemical Daddy is a product of Evolution.
You spelled inbreeding wrong.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Your god gets evolution wrong in the buybull. No gods no masters.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
You don’t believe in a god.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
You worship a demon, regardless.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 "Our God is not in a book snd didn't write any book"
So this God you keep blarting on about is one you've invented then.
Also, that "God didn't write any book"... Yeah, that's one of the reasons I'm an atheist, always have been.
"And the bible is metaphorical"
So just a load of made up stories then. Been saying that all my life too. No need for Jesus if Adam and Eve's just metaphorical...
Tracy’s my favorite, please bring her back🙏🏽
Yep, she's awesome.
Kim’s call was so infuriating to me. I didn’t even mind that she had a bad take if she would have actually listened to Matt and Jim but she was constantly interrupting them mid point. Clearly wasn’t getting any of their points because she was too stuck in her own. Didn’t listen to a word they said. Why call in if you’re so unwilling to actually discuss?
I found her constant dismissive laughter infuriating.
oh my god when the Holy Rebel dude said hanging up on ppl is a "sassy" thing Matt does I lost my shit. That was so freaking funny haha.
How can personal revelation be differentiated from delusion?
Revelation, even if genuine, is only so for the person originally receiving it, the moment they relate it to someone else it becomes hearsay.
This is why the sects of christianity based on revelation were defeated by the ones based on scripture and historical precedent; how are you going to establish authority when literally anyone can claim to listen to god? With a book and a supposed line of disciples you can restrict who gets to call the shots.
repetition and testing I suppose. I mean if you honestly interested in figuring out if you have prophesies or are delusional (I know I would be) I d try to come up with a list of tests to perform in order to get answers.
Yes! And also how can I tell if my recolection of the event is even a reliable account of what happened?
Kim ' there are so many underpriveled people in the world who need religion just to get through the day ' that is complete BS, religion prey on these people not help them
Someone trying to pull the 'you're afraid of discussing the bible/listening to quotes from it' card against Matt is like accusing a lifelong professional chef of being afraid of handling food while they are on a cooking show throwing together a meal; the accusation does indeed make one side of that equation look bad but it's not the one the accuser thinks it is.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 your comment fails to be coherent
@@ARoll925 I think I either interacted with or viewed interactions with this guy already, I promise you it's not worth it...
If I recall, he is that flavor of intellectually dishonest christian with the logic of a 12 yr old...
Discourse and debate are generally good, but it's mostly useless and stressful waste of time in my opinion when it is with a dishonest interlocutor.
You don't have to take my word for it, engage if you like, And if you do, engage seriously and you better be decently versed at this type of discussion, in order to turn this thread into yet another record to the public of the intellectually dishonest and intellectually immature interlocutor that guy is...
Best of luck🤞
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
Simple daddy creature.
@@Darius-kl3jk oh yeah, I know, he is all over the comments section with his 12 year old logic as you put it, I don't plan to interact with him much more then what I already have, thanks for looking out for me though, I have mostly called him out for calling people creature because for some reason it really creeps me out, his assertions are pretty pathetic, he has no argument just assertions without backing any of his statements up, certainly not worth anyone's time, it would be nice if the ACA could block individuals from posting because I would like to see him get blocked
@@ARoll925 I mean I'm okay with them blocking trolls, but generally I'm against the idea of them just all together blocking individuals only on the basis of intellectual dishonesty and intellectual immaturity...
That is to say I don't think it's right for them to discard of people like this just because they're low-hanging fruit or mildly annoying uk?
But yeah good night good morning or whatever
37:50 "The lords vision, like the T-Rex is based on movement" fkn dead! 😂😂😂😂😂
That was dan beecher from the podcasts thank god im atheist and how to heretic,if you haven't listened to those podcasts you definitely should they are fantastic, they are actually my Two favorite atheists podcasts
That lady who was going on about privilege made no sense at all. You can't believe something because you want to, no matter how hard you try. What you believe is what you believe.
Jim and Matt, the way you handled the call of KIM was one glorious moment in AXP history as far as i can remember it. Just awesome.
The cult holy rebel movement is just another example of why religions got to go away forever
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 nope, none of that
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Why do we supposedly “require” a god? More importantly, prove one exists, and then we’ll all worry about it.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ..............Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
You spelt the 2nd word wrong...
Gilles: you ask what a completely atheistic society would look like.
Such a thing doesn't exist yet; but all over the UK there are clues as to what one will eventually look like.
If you see a big building with stained glass windows and a tall spire and it's actually a carpet warehouse or a furniture saleroom, you're seeing signs of a society moving steadily towards secularism.
If you see any number of small, old, empty churches with 'For Sale' signs outside that also announce that they have planning permission for conversion to flats, that, too, is a sign that religions are giving up the (holy) ghost.
So is a fine, big , old Victorian church in a city centre that became a nightclub/restaurant fifteen years ago.
So is a supermarket where a parish church once stood.
When did you last see a poster displaying one of those hand-painted 'thermometer' signs outside a church, showing how much more was needed to pay for essential maintenance? They disappeared when the red line on the thermometers began regularly to get stuck about a third of the way up.
The church in which I was baptised, and attended twice on Sundays until the age of twelve, once staged the BBC TV Sunday evening programme Songs of Praise. The church, a Methodist showcase deliberately designed and built to outshine ever other denomination's place of worship for miles around, had been built for a congregation of more than a thousand, with a balcony above the ground floor nave.
When the cameras arrived, the congregations of five other Methodist churches in the area had been shipped in to boost the attendance.
On television it looked like a busy and active church; but the cameras lied. So did the BBC. Only one half of the nave was shown, and the empty balcony was carefully ignored.
I didn't ignore it. Within a few weeks I finally embraced the Atheism I had been exploring for a long time.
This was in the early 1960s. Even back then, religion was (in)visibly declining.
you ask what a completely atheistic society would look like.
Such a thing doesn't exist yet; - false - it looks like Nazi Germany, the USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pots Cambodia, Castros Cuba, Chavez' Venezuela - over 100 mill slaughtered , just in the 20th century alone
@@walnutoil100 Hitler was a Catholic.
@@walnutoil100 Your evidence is?
Holy Rebel, if you read the comments I’d just like to tell you that you sounded extremely foolish, you were crying like a baby, a grown man acting like that, but it was amusing laughing at you.
Never laughed so much in my life
Facts!
I laughed more watching blazing saddles, but it's very close.
He sounded like an idiot.
I seen no reason to insult babies like that. Babies cry because its their only way of communication, so its an intelligent choice for a baby to cry. Absolutely no intelligent were mady by the holy moron.
"Holy Rebel Movement" should change his alias to "Absolute Christian Arrogance" and just cut to the chase...
Whoops: The Acronym would be ACA...never mind...
Changing his name to ‘Christian Utters Nonsense Telephonically’ would have a more suitable acronym.
@@Heathen.Deity. Yes, that is a good one...🤣
Dr. Bombay
Or this “Christian Religion Asserts Prophecy “
They had a similar problem on the British show Red Dwarf...
Erm, I think we're all beginning to lose sight of the real issue here, which is: what are we going to call ourselves? And I think it comes down to a choice between "The League Against Salivating Monsters," or - and this is my personal preference - "The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society." Erm, one drawback with that - the abbreviation is C.L.I.T.O.R.I.S.
@@cnault3244 That was a great one! Remember that well! Red Dwarf callback!
I really loved what Jim said about no longer being afraid of death and living for the now in a joyful way. Go Jim!!!
Absolutely. In fact, I think both their answers to caller Jim really represented athiestic thinking very well. It's a really good understanding of the foundational aspects of what atheism means in practice. When you hear the apologetics clowns attacking the "atheist worldview," they go on about crap like creation and stuff. That's not the atheist worldview. That's orthoganal to the issue. Matt and Jim's discussion of the implications of heaven and hell, and the absence thereof, that's a discussion of atheistic worldview.
"If you don't believe in God, then who created the universe?"
"I don't know. That's a science question that we don't have fully worked out. Doesn't change the fact universe exists, so doesn't affect me much."
"If heaven and hell don't exist, then what does that mean for your life?"
Now that's an answer worth listening to and thinking about, and you can see that Jim and Matt have thought about it.
I think Jim's answer was beautiful.
Actually he said he was no longer waiting for death. This means he was never afraid of death but that he wasn't enjoying life and was just waiting to die and go to heaven. When he realized this was not the reality he looked at life in a new way. As someone who has lived with suicidal ideation all my life I can empathize a lot with this. It's easy to have a death wish when you think you are going to go to heaven. This is almost torture for a depressed person. The idea that when you die you go to heaven but if you end things yourself you will go to hell is a bit of a mind fuck. Now I get to chose for myself if I want to continue. I live for myself, my loved ones and the community around me now, not just to avoid going to hell. I have a hell of a lot more meaning in my life now that I don't think this is all just a test.
Yeah, not seeing Matt as being scared. Typical Christian, "Let me preach at you, or I'm gonna get hostile!"
The Holy Wars just had people like him in power at the time
Kim, you can't choose to believe things. You can SAY you have chosen, but you are merely affirming/claiming that you have been convinced. That's what belief means, being convinced of a proposition. If you still disagree, then choose something right now that you currently disbelieve in. Let's say the existence of leprechauns. OK, you don't believe in them right now. CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in them for 10 minutes and explain what convinced you.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 But WHY do you believe god exists? What evidence convinced you it’s rational to believe in it? Because I see NONE.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
Kim had way too much airtime
Kim..
I think you need to see a bereavement councillor
Holy rebel movement is so scared he doesn't allow comments on his little channel
Caller Kim isn't looking for nonreligious community as much as she's making excuses to stay with a community shes comfortable in calling "non-priveliged"
Every person has the privilege to think their own thoughts. To worship or not worship, believe or not believe.
Of course how someones raised ( if youre indoctrinated ) has an influence. However if you're exposed to contradictory ideas its up to you whether you're going to pay attention to those contradictions. Its your privilege as a thinking human.
And no one is obligated to remain as ignorant as their ancestors. Some "family heirlooms" are not worth passing down.
Kim said she was a theist, then not, then her sibling died and she is a believer again and not believing is a privilege. she has trouble dealing with death and finds comfort in an alleged afterlife
I can, as a Londoner, understand why she thinks there wouldn't be "atheist groups" here. Religion isn't such a big deal, that we don't really *need* such things. There isn't a default presumption that the person sitting next to you on the tube is a Christian.
@@evanstein3011 she sounded like an idiot
@@evanstein3011 nervous laughter, showing she sees that she's failed and doesn't know how to respond
I drove past 5 churches the last time I went to the grocery, which is not allowed to sell booze on Sunday morning, and is closed on Christmas. Tell me more about how atheists are more privileged than Christians.
Just about the odds of Mike experience.
What are the odds that I passed a specific person on the highway, born in another state who is traveling for the first time?
VERY UNLIKELY. But it happens all the time.
Improbable things with "impossible" odds happen at EVERY moment in time. The difference is you chose one specific experience, because it was important in your life (and theirs) and was very unlikely. The mistake was not realizing that unlikely things are everywhere and 99.99999% of these improbable events that happen are mundane & you dont even notice them.
Did you ever think about the odds of picking up a certain fruit in a grocery store?
What are the odds of picking up the apple you did?
Its insanely improbable.
(The fruit had to be selectively bred by generations of farmers, those farmers had picked that specific plant for its propertys, and then cloned and grafted onto other plants to keep that type of apple. That specific type of apple had to have the properties and marketing that would make it desirable and profitable enough to continue growing and remain a staple for generations, it was then picked from the branch by a specific individual, delivered by a specific company and person, placed on the shelves when you happened to be in that market & then you chose that specific apple out of all the other apples)
As you can see the improbable argument is meaningless. You can endow impossible odds on just about anything in life if you are specific enough.
Plus, what about the odds of the unlikely deaths. Falling coconuts kill people. Is that God too?
Yeah, it’s like... you realize that just because something is uncommon or rare doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen to anyone?
More importantly. You CANNOT calculate the odds of something not happening after it has already happened. The odds are 1 chance in 1.
@@markburch6253 No, I mean, for example , getting a full house in poker, even if it happens, you can still figure out the probability for it to be drawn the next hand. But it doesn’t matter the odds, because if it happens occasionally, it still happens. People occasionally save each other from drowning, he happened to be the one it happened to... AND? Where is god in that?
@@MrShigura Exactly, everything can be made improbable, but yet they happen constantly to everyone. Not just for life saving experiences, but random stuff like tieing a shoelace or breathing a particular atom of oxygen.
It's completely meaningless to attribute God to that if basically every instance of reality can be claimed as improbable.
@@WhiffenC Yep, plus if that’s god’s attempt at showing itself, it’s really clueless as to logic and should be more clear... 😆
Thanks for reminding me how oppressive the "bible belt" can be.
It makes me grateful to have been raised "religion neutral" without the thought control of religion.
Growing up in Canada I never knew that atheists were oppressed to such a degree in different parts of the world.
And in some places, Christians are still being killed/oppressed for not picking the "correct version" of Christianity.
holy rebel movement, the guy who called matt a coward, has a youtube channel with comments and likes/dislikes disabled LOL
How about the thousands of kids that die each year in bike accidents, car accidents, other drownings etc. why didn’t God send someone to save them? It’s utterly ridiculous to think that that was divine inspiration.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919
Report your daddy.
Simple creatures like you need protection.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Prove Jesus exists outside the Bible Calvin.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
It didn't save them because they didn't truly believe. Plus suffering is good. And all the other utter bollocks the religious types spout at moments like this.
Gilles asking what an Atheistic civilisations hasn’t happened yet. We can look at Japan and China, or closer to the UK , all the Scandinavian countries are among the least religious countries in the world and score the highest in education, life expectancy, income pro capita and happiness, enough?
I have to say that in general Matt's pretty reasonable with his callers, I couldn't do any better...but sometimes they're total jackasses like the 2nd caller who says he's a prophet...he deserved to get hung up on given that he wasn't answering the question and getting extremely rude and obnoxious. I think Matt was probably too tolerant in that case and should've dropped him after repeating himself a few times, I was glad when he finally got rid of him.
Speaking from Sri Lanka (majority Buddhist country), baptised at birth, I was a Christian until I was around 21. I am currently an atheist, and I am in the minority of the minority. Coming out as an Atheist makes things difficult in social situations but also professional ones. Atheism is not a privilege, and us "third worlders" are not so pathetic that we *cannot* live without religion. Except maybe due to the threats of the religious. The arrogance of Kim is infuriating.
Nobody want to hear the Bible being read because you would bore people to tears....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love to her the Bible cos i need a good laugh.
Exposed to what watching wallpaper dry?
@Viktor Tandofsky You act as if this buybull of yours is some mysterious book that nobody knows, nobody’s read, and nobody can get a copy of unless you’re a member of your secret cult. Most of us have read your damn buybull dude, and we reject it for the immoral, barbaric, misogynistic, fictional bullshit that it is!
I’ve always been a non believer of gods, and as a toddler I went to a church one time with a neighbor. From what I remember it was some podunk country church (prob kkk) and I remember hating having to get up early (as I still am) and falling asleep during this long mundane ramble. In middle school I would sometimes go to this church with my stoner friend and they were cool. The church would rent a high school gym and was a music based church, they sang cheesy Christian songs and were pretty chill. But I’d still get bored and want the donuts afterwards, and I could see my friend was kindof faking it the way he had his hands in the air, eyes closed, swaying and singing along. We would usually skip the second half and walk around outside.
@Viktor Tandofsky exposed for what? Not pretending to think a hell maker is real? Not pretending to like it’s ideas? Please tell me how I’m supposed to actually have love feelings for something that made up and uses a hell? Sorry, but most all modern god claims, (especially main stream) have the baggage of hell. So please, expose me! Tell me how I’m really in love with this hell maker guy thingy.
If holy rebel can get me next week's uk lottery numbers for me, that be great
If it makes you feel better, Holy Rebel. I went to John 16:13 just to see if it helped your case.
BTW, yes, a lot of atheists have Bibles in our homes... I have one on my desk that I go to often AND I'm not afraid of reading it or the scriptures.
It didn't help your case. It just basically says that the holy spirit will let you know what is truth and what is yet to come. Which is just confirmation bias or self-fulfilling. Still doesn't show how what you said came from a god or which god. Your prophecy was nothing more than what many of us were thinking and saying at that time. It was... MEHH...
But it also says god deceives the wicked so he can condemn them, and also that god condones a spirit of deception.
So a person would have no way of knowing if they are being given information from the holy spirit ( I call him old spooky) or if god is deliberately deceiving them so he can condemn them.
Wait, you mean you picked up a bible and it didn't burn your skin? You're not a real atheist! /s
@@RickReasonnz Wait, you don't own a pair of heavy duty gloves to manipulate your Bible? That's a grave lack of foresight man!
Mike-CA: His rambling started when reading off his script at the beginning of his call and deteriorated to complete foolishness by the end.
"Be quiet and let me quote the scripture " 🤣
Everyone's talking about that holy rebel fool and I totally agree he's ridiculous, but for me, it's people like the Kim caller that are the most infuriating to deal with.
Me too, that was horrendous
She's confused and nervous, I don't think she was malicious at all.
@@creampuffme she sounded really mean to me. That attitude was horrendous.
I agree her attitude was bad... I kind of feel sorry for her. I kind of guessed at the start that her concern with atheism and privilege were signs of projection and I feel sorry that she can't be the person she actually wants to be. That's a horrible situation...
Yes.... she said " with all due respect" several times without actually showing any herself.....waiting for her turn to talk without listening to Matt and Jim
In the Netherlands from 2017 onwards more people are not religious.
In Countries where there are more people and societies that organize their lives around what can be shown, with evidence, to be true, it definitely tends to be a better society than that which occurs in Countries that don’t and don’t care about statistics, science, evidence and truth.
Many flat earthers don't believe in gravity.
This was brought up the last time Holy Rebel called in but he's a complete fraud. He posts videos AFTER things happened saying oh no I totally got a vision before this happened"
I'm so glad that instead of hanging up on him Matt kept grilling him and holding his feet to the fire exposing him for the pathetic simpering coward he is.
I have a funny anecdote from High School. We were having a class in Government
and the teacher was telling us that the Constitution guaranties freedom of worship; we can chose to be Muslim, atheist, etc. "But nevertheless, we are all Christians here, aren't we? Rise your hand if you are." (I'm talking about Argentina). Everybody rised their hand but me. The teacher approached me and asked very surprised "What about you?" I said I didn't have any belief in particular; then he asked very upset "But have you been baptised?" - "Yes" - "THEN you are Catholic." - "But I don't believe..." - "It doesn't matter; you are a Catholic." Then I thought, this is funny; the legal national document of the Nation says I can chose, but then again, I can't. -- This is the big dichotomy; On Sunday you are told that if you don't believe in certain god, "you go to hell" (I remember the priest saying so when I was a kid). Then on Monday you are told that you can freely chose... Children may see adults as quite undecided and confusing...
Jim's explanation about how he wasted so much life believing the lie and restrained of doing what he truly wanted really made me sad... It is so sad to be indoctrinated
Holy Rebel Movement's channel does not allow reactions.
I wonder why.
Matt effortlessly and eloquently dismantling holy rebel might be the most impressive thing I've ever seen. I'm not being hyperbolic. It really was amazing to whatch. I'm probably just ignorant but I wouldn't have been able to think on my feet so fast knocking down his babbling 1 by 1.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 If god existed it would smite you out of embarrassment....
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 cool
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Bad lady.
You let your daddy creature control you.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 ................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
All you need is to a honest decent person. Jim fits that category 👌
Religions don't like that because it would make it hard to convince people to give them money for nothing.
"I don't care what the bible says" In unison! Beautiful :-)
Holy Rebel's video about this call is funny. He says there is a difference between a someone like him reading scripture (while filled with the holy ghost), and someone like Matt reading scripture (while demonically possessed). So only he can properly interpret it.
I remember holy rebel. He was the guy that claimed he had prophecies. One about a rapper/actor and something about his cousin.
I remember that.
If one believes that deities are just ideas, and nothing but ideas (as any believer thinks that only his god is the real one and all the rest are delusions), I can't "reject" or "accept" something that is not there. And I can't be skeptical because I don't doubt that those are (just) ideas, and I'm not agnostic since I can't claim I am not certain that "god" is nothing but a mental concept. The question "Why don't you believe in god?" is equivalent of asking "Why can't you believe in a fantasy?" And I can't be judged by any god, since to be judged you must have freedom-to-chose (freedom of worship), and I don't have such freedom since I can't help to believe (to repeat myself) that deities are nothing BUT mental constructs.
Well said.
@@MrShigura 😊
If we removed the amount of ppl who say they merely go to church out of community, or because the don't care for the truth, then churches would nearly be empty.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 So churches aren't important then?
Is that what you agreed with?
I agree, close the churches. We are the same.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 So churches aren't important then?
Is that what you agreed with?
I agree, close the churches. We are the same.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 "creature"? What are you talking about?
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Pizza had different meanings in the past. Seems to be an accepted topic these days. Times change.
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You worship a demon.
Simple creature.
I totally remember holy rebel! He had almost the same speel last time too!
Yes. Similar shit.
Was his first prophecy the one with the actor-rapper getting stabbed?
His cousin. Gee, how could you have known your cousin juuust might have violent friends. Or even have pissed someone off already.
1:25:45 "You really think you're smarter than Einstein?"
Yes. Einstein is dead.
Unless he's smarter than Aristotle he should logically believe in Zeus and the other Olympians.
39% of people in England call themselves non religious, wtf is Kim talking about.
She is privileged just like me (Belgian) that she lives in a country where you can call yourself atheist and basically the harshest reaction you'll probably get is "meh", compared to fundamentalist USA were you can get shunned for revealing this.
My best friend is muslim and doesn't come close to the religious fundamentalism that I regularly hear from American christians.
We generally don't talk that much about religion but when we do we understand that we think differently on that subject and he accepts that I don't believe any of the abrahamic doctrines and I accept he does.
I am in my early 40's and he is in his late 30's and we've been friends for over 20 years now.
Holy Rebel: We don't care what the scriptures say, until you can prove that the Bible is true It's just an old book to us. Preaching the Bible to us is not evidence of anything, it's a waste of time.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Go away.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Prove it.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 prove it.
@John Wood I'm sorry John but I'm not going to waste the only life I'm ever going to have on a fairytale. If you would like to do that that is your choice. I prefer reality.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 .................Boring Delusional Daddy also known as God's Suppository is back to provide us with evidence for his delusions and latent homosexuality. Always talking about sausage fests and never providing any evidence for anything he asserts about his god. His ignorance is encyclopedic. He knows so little yet knows it so well. “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." He works harder than any troll I know.
What would a god want with a computer?
Not only that, but why would god want to relay his message to us through a "middle man" in the Middle East?
Or a starship.