So sad that Ray has passed away, this character is getting so much love right now and Dave may have set him up in this series to be the main antagonistic force user of the Mando-Verse…I’m guessing his passing has changed a lot of what Dave planned moving forward.
@@thundershock_326 I believe so. I read the Heir to The Empire novels when they first came out, sooo long ago. But, from what I remember, you are right. It did say that he was the commander, didnt it? Lol. It's great to hear from someone else who read the trilogy. Ty.
Ahsoka was written as an 8 episode arc with an ending, so I'm assuming Baylan's own story arc comes to an end as well. Disney hasn't said anything about a second season yet, but they are open to the idea due to the fact they are monitoring audience reactions and ratings.
If he does survive the end of the series (to me its a coinflip), its possible they try recasting, but its the Boseman problem. Do you recast a beloved actor's role, or see if there is another way without jeopardizing much of the future plans.
Baylon Skoll is THE best character to emerge since the Disney buy out. The double tragedy is the death of Ray Stevenson. Both for Ray and his family and star wars fans as the fans finally had a worthy protagonist to enjoy. THE best casting decision since Ewan McGregor as Obi wan.
He was so cool- looking. Every movie I saw him in, he was just the coolest. He’s the only actor that actually looked like the Punisher (Punisher: War Zone 2008).
I've always love the roles Ray has taken, my favorite being Titus Pullo of Rome and now Baylan, I'm glad he got to be a part of another great TV series.
All I'm gonna say is thank you Ray for all the amazing characters you gave us especially Titus Pullo and for breaking into star wars and leaving us with an awesome character before becoming one with the force.
Seriously at this point Disney has added sooooo many former jedi post clone wars surviving its kind of a joke that Luke is the “only hope” that Obi wan and Yoda thinks they have. They literally could have rebuilt the jedi order again with so many Jedi around
If we assume Baylan Skoll is the same age as Ray Stevenson, that would mean is was 28 years old when order 66 took place, 6 years older than Anakin. That would also mean that when Anakin first became at Padawan at 9 years old, Baylan would have been still a Padawan at 15, making it very likely they knew one another. Not sure if this has any relevance but you never know...
@@patrickt601 Because the actor chosen to play a character is irrelevant in every conceivable way. You think Dave wrote this character and then sought out an actor the same age? 🤦♂
I wonder if Baylan is really using the dark side of the force? He doesn't seem to use emotions to any greater extent when he fights. It would be interesting if he is a light side user who simply have sided with the "bad guys" (from our point of view).
I would assume he’s just a very controlled individual, much like Dooku…you rarely if ever see Dooku show outright anger or strong emotions, he’s always calm and collected.
I don’t know he got very upset when Hati was forced choked & thrown against the standing stone by Ashoka, that’s when he went from a controlled anger to ‘you’re going to pay for that’.
@@ShredderSenseiYou’re right . Dooku lost two Padawans to the dark side. Baylin isn’t fully dark though. Just a hardened survivor . Maybe he wants to start a new order but different in the uncharted regions. Respect 🫡.
Correction on the lore regarding Jorus and Joruus: Jorus C'Boath died on Outbound Flight prior to the Clone Wars. Thrawn had bombarded the ship prior to being exiled. Joruus C'Boath was guarding Mount Tantiss when Thrawn found it.
Imagine what Baylin had to do to survive being hunted. That would require use of all force abilities. I’ve always wondered if Mace sent Jedi, masters, knights and Padawans into the unknown regions to start a new . Very much like the Empire became the Fart order. Being criminalised and hunted would change anyone .
In canon, we have no evidence Mace Windu survived Anakin's betrayal. However, surviving Jedi would have fallen in to two camps : Those who resisted and those who succumbed. All of the post-Order-66 series have broached upon this dynamic. There would be no need to issue instructions as self-preservation is inherent in any sentient creature. We've already seen in Obi Wan that there was an "Underground Railroad" which helped surviving Jedi and Force Sensitives to evade and escape the Empire and it's Inquisitors. We also know that when the Resistance formed, surviving Jedi became involved. However, until Mandalorian 2.5 ( aka Book of Boba Fett) and Luke's New Jedi Order, we had never seen a Jedi Order in exile.
My guess is that Baylan can see the future and I believe that Baylan left the Jedi during the clone wars and he was not around to be killed by order 66
It seems many of the Jedi knew. In the comics Luke is running to a couple of them to survived Order 66, and every one of them seem to know that Anakin was Vader.
Really, the _only_ reason Luke didn't "know" was because he was an "adult" by the time he started training as a Jedi and had been raised in isolation by people who self-censored that knowledge from him. Oh and a Jedi Master who deliberately obfuscated, until Vader himself revealed the truth to Luke.
I’m thinking maybe Baylan was an Atris-type figure who was disillusioned by Anakin Skywalker’s style of the Jedi Order and left. Maybe he doesn’t know that Anakin is Vader, but rather alludes to being a victim of his own violence which led to the rise of the Galactic Empire. Currently, I think we don’t have enough lip service to prove Baylan knows Anakin is Vader
@@brynstarkiller7419 You respect his "opinion" if he is correct? Worst sentence I've read online in a while. He's right, there is no proof yet. All this conjecture is based off a single reference which could have been said at the time of the Clone Wars, which seems the most probable.
He literally said "not many would live to see what he became". Tons of Jedi were alive during Anakins entire career. "Not many would live" could only refer to order 66. Those who do not know Anakin is Vader believe he died during order 66. It is so obvious that he knows Anakin is Vader. Your opinion makes 0 sense.
Yellow and Red make orange so that is a Consular and the Guardians or the temple guards, Sentinels. "Star Wars lore explains that the Sentinels seek a balance between the Consulars and the Guardians" So was he a temple guard?
Baylan Skoll is going to be near impossible to recast well. Ray Stevenson has left Star Wars with an engaging breath of fresh air just when it needed it most.
With so much focus traditionally placed on the relationship between Palpatine and Anakin, I have to wonder, how many other Jedi may have fallen under Palpatine's sway. Dooku and Sifo Dyas is proof that he had influence over others within the Order, but we've only heard about these few. I mean, most of the Inquisitors are former Jedi that were turned, but how many of them had already fallen to the Dark Side, prior to the Clone Wars? How many may have actually participated in Order 66?
Simply, star wars 1-9 are the story of the path of palpatine to reach immortality, from a third person narrative perspective, mostly skywalkers. You have 1-3, were he announce his goals to annakin, and aims his "new body", we have 4-6, were he tries to get the alternative body, who withstand the ritual (Luke), and we have 7-9, were he aims a skywalker, switch to his own kind, and finally gets his immortality, when Rey do not deactivate here light saber like luke did, and finalize the ritual to immortality, and give her body to palpatine. A great dark series, Star wars 1-9, were the "evil" reach there goal, against all odds.
To be fair, "what he became and what he did" could be restricted to what happened during order 66.....but I'm like 99% sure he knows Anakin became Vader.
I think that Ahsoka was meant to become his padawan, he observed Ahsoka during her treining while she was Youngling and chose her but Jedi Council changed mind and denied his plead to teach her, then suddenly Anakin showed up and she became his padawan, he became face of Jedi in propaganda and everyone praised Anakin. This made Baylan distancing himself from Jedi either out of jealousy or shame of what Order has became. He then left Jedi during last stage of Clone Wars which saved him from Order 66.
I thought all Jedi could mind read to an extent. If not mind read at least sort of pick up on others basic thoughts and emotions. Vader read Luke's mind during ROTJ and figured out that Leia was his sister during their duel. Yoda often seems to do the same thing. So does Palpatine to Vader. Actually I think Palpatine does it to Vader all the time. He usually greets him with "Your thoughts are troubled" or something along those lines.
If you theorize that Baylan used mind probe techniques, he would have learned that Anakin became Vadar simple from his encounter with Ahsoka; no need for him to have met Vadar.
Since this is after the fall of the Empire, I just assumed the identity of the mysterious Darth Vader is no secret anymore Luke openly talked about Vader being his father after The Empire strikes back (at least if I remember correctly) and apparently Leia and Luke being related was also no secret after Return of the Jedi
It occurred to me that Baylon intends to destroy/incapacitate Thrawn. That he doesn't believe Ahsoka is capable or trustworthy enough to help. Go back and rewatch his scenes. He believes that he's the only one capable of pulling off whatever he has planned.
I don't necessarily think Baylan really knew Anakin. Perhaps in passing, more acquaintances than friends. If we assume that Baylan is the same age as the actor, then Baylan was 6 or so years older than Anakin and unlikely to be anything more than just an acquaintance. Consider the fact that his line in the show wasn't that he personally knew Anakin, but that "everyone in the Order knew Anakin Skywalker", as in everyone knew OF him. Which, of course they did, he was the Chosen One and the apprentice of Obi-Wan Kenobi. As for how Baylan knew that Anakin had become Vader-some sort of prescience perhaps. Maybe Baylan saw what Anakin would become and left the Jedi, thereby avoiding being slaughtered in the temple like so many others. IN any case, I can't wait to find out. Loving this show.
Part of me believes he has somehow traveled to the future. The way he speaks, calling Morgan, M'lady and holding out his hand just gives off an old knight from either before the High Republic or around that time.
Everyone fails to realize that “Baylan” is not his real name. It’s a misunderstanding. He foresaw order 66 coming and told the other jedi “Anyone comin’ with me? Because I’m bailin’!”
Baylan dueling Vader would be really cool. He's one of the few characters I could except not getting utterly curbstomped by Vader. I mean he shouldn't be able to best him but he should atleast struggle against him a lot more than pretty much anyone aside of folks like Obi-Wan
A lot of this story is based off of the legends stories, and IIRC there was a threat from outside of known space, that Thrawn is unique suited to fight. Mayhaps Baylon see a better future with him, then without him.
hello star wars comics are you excited for the next episodes of ahsoka what was you're reaction to seeing Anakin in ahsoka I'm guessing we'll see thrawn and a flashback of what happened to Ezra when they went in to hyperspace
Ray Stevenson in my mind is one of the best actors I’ve seen in Star Wars so far in my opinion, it’s such a shame that he died before he baca me big star in my opinion, imagine how great the series would have been with him in it further, cool
I feel like Baylan was once a behind the scenes Jedi Taskmaster. He served a respectable career as a jedi Knight giving his inferiors different objectives or tasks to fulfill while reporting his results or findings to his superiors. That could explain why he talks like he knew prominent characters as well as Ashoka herself yet remained obscure to her until now. She simply became Anakin's Padawan and didn't have to answer to Baylan for tasking because she took her tasks from her Jedi Master. That could also explain how Baylan is still even alive. If he was the Taskmaster for upcoming jedi padawan & knights alike, his knowledge of survival skills would be incredibly high. He could've survived order 66 on those skills and a little luck.
he was a Jedi knight once very respected n famous but for his personal agenda he was seduced to the dark side n became darth vader , his son Luke Skywalker tried to make him come back to the light but it was kinda to late because he died , he lived his last moments with a good heart once again
Well since there are always are some younger fans around a little correction: Jorus has been killed before the clone wars during the Outbound Flight Project. Joruus has been a clone commisioned by Palpatine as a failsafe for his Wayland Vault.
Honestly is very simple i believe. He said to his apprendice that he watch his world burn when he was her age. Which means he was present at the Jedi Temple when Anakin Attacked. Which means he saw Dark Anakin slaughter the jedis. And also i am pretty sure he heard the clones referring to Anakin as Lord Vader. So in that way he knew all long who was the man behind that dark mask all the time.
It's going to be a tough act to follow for any actor who steps into Ray Stevenson's shoes. Hopefully they can capture the magic he exuded in his performance! If there is a Vader/Baylan duel, I hope it happens in either the jedi temple (and he gets pulled back through by Ahsoka), or with Anakin in the World Between Worlds.
If we assume that he he can in fact read minds, the idea of him trying to reach to world between worlds isn't so far fetched. He would know about it from Anakin/Vader and Ahsoka and reaching it could make him a "god". In this world he can see every point in time past, future and present and the same way Ezra interacted with it and safed Ahsoka, he could use his force powers to basically probe every jedis and siths mind, gathering more and more abilities. This could also explain his lightsaber color it's orange because it's a mixture of lightside (jedi training) an dark side (probing vader and learning force choke).
The chance Baylan learned the identity of Darth Vader's by probing his mind via the force is ZERO. To do this he would have to break Darth Vader's force guard, which he would never have been able to do. Using force precognition may have been one method he found out about Anakin. Once the veil of the dark side dropped, his force precognition picked it up; especially if he turned away from the Jedi Order just prior to Order 66. The precognition would allow him to know more than just the fact the event was about to occur, adding details others such as Darth Maul and even Ahsoka would not have picked up. Even though they felt it about to occur/occurring. Because Thrawn knew who Darth Vader was, he likely let his suspicion known to a few close to him. Once Thrawn disappeared, those who knew of Thrawn's suspicion would likely have shared it with others. Baylan likely probed the mind of someone who learned, and then meditated through the Force for details to confirm.
Amazing how in time we saw lots of references that Ahsoka can connect with animals and memories from the past to explain how she could do to space whales so easy :D...even the detail of near death experience to lastly give her the understanding of the force for a power up :D
The orange lighsaber became Canon do to jedi fallen order. This is the first time we see it in any live action or animated series. Remember those games are Canon. Also means there's 2 night sisters still living since merin was the only one living till Morgan now is a night sister. Witches love the number 3. So maybe there's a 3rd or Sabine has that in her from her time on dathomir and that's where her force comes from.
And why has he waited so long to reveal himself? It's clear he's very strong in the force why didn't he come and challenge? Darth Vader very interesting
Ray Stephenson has played this character so well. I want to see his character develop more but at the same time it’s a hell of a challenge to recast … regardless it’s been a great season 1 so far !!
Doesn't bloodlines the princess Leia audiobook thing take place right around this time. In there it's revealed to the Galaxy to Anakin was Vader . And that book is canon
@@goaway152 no he didn’t really. Just straight up say “Here’s the thing. We need this, to do this. And things will be better”. Granted there may still be disagreements after but at least it’s said. All Baylan did was say “you’re in my way and this is necessary” (paraphrasing).
I think it’s a little bit more simple than that from the way he talks about seeing the Jedi temple guard. He could’ve just been there, witnessing Anakin become Darth Vader killing everyone at the temple.
I thought Jorus was a jedi master who died in the outbound flight program? I also heard he intended to conquer the neighboring galaxy with his fellow Jedi, with himself being a Jedi supremacist.
Jorus C'baoth wasnt a survivor of order 66 he was one of the 12 jedi and 50 thousand that was apart of the outbound flight project, *spolier alert* the issue was they would ran into the Yuuzhan Vong and the galatic republic wasnt at a state to where they would win the war
Or he could have been at the temple during operation knightfall and fled before anakin and the 501st could kill him and i thnk before baylan left the temple he took a baby youngling who would one day become his apprentice shin hati
Yellow is the saber colour of temple gaurdians. Many guardians fought in the clone wars. Guardians are natural fighters. I guess orange means he can use the fighting style of Mace Windu. Like the purple Sabre, the orange saber will still be that of a Jedi. If he can use Mace Windu's technique, then Vader and other Sith wouldn't stand a chance against him. Windu's technique feeds off the energy of his opponent and particularly feeds off of anger and hatred. This is why Windu was able to overpower Palpatine.
Could he be a mix of C'Baoth and Starkiller? The saber, if red is a totally bled kyber, could orange be for someone who didn't make it to that total point in the dark side. His fighting style kind of resembles Vader's. He could be like the main inquisitor that later deserted the empire, I think another survivor to order 666 and specially to Vader would make Vader look weaker every time.
Sorry buy you’re wrong. Joruus C’Baoth died during the outbound flight project. The one we see is a half insane clone of his, made by the emperor in his attempts at perfecting his clone for eternal life. I’ve read that trilogy a hundred times.
RIP Ray Stevenson, the man is a absolute master of acting, his role as Baylan is sooo good and fierce.
I only found out he’s born in the same town as me. I’d no idea he was Irish
13th!!!!!!💪💪💪💪💪
He was the best Punisher imo
@@alexanderball6326 ya damn right he was
You spelled it the way my name is spelled😂
So sad that Ray has passed away, this character is getting so much love right now and Dave may have set him up in this series to be the main antagonistic force user of the Mando-Verse…I’m guessing his passing has changed a lot of what Dave planned moving forward.
Joruus C'baoth did not survive order 66. He was killed in a mission to the unknown regions waayyy before order 66.
@@yeahyeah7445 He acted as Outbound Flight's commander, no?
@@thundershock_326 I believe so. I read the Heir to The Empire novels when they first came out, sooo long ago. But, from what I remember, you are right. It did say that he was the commander, didnt it? Lol. It's great to hear from someone else who read the trilogy. Ty.
Ahsoka was written as an 8 episode arc with an ending, so I'm assuming Baylan's own story arc comes to an end as well. Disney hasn't said anything about a second season yet, but they are open to the idea due to the fact they are monitoring audience reactions and ratings.
If he does survive the end of the series (to me its a coinflip), its possible they try recasting, but its the Boseman problem. Do you recast a beloved actor's role, or see if there is another way without jeopardizing much of the future plans.
Baylon Skoll is THE best character to emerge since the Disney buy out. The double tragedy is the death of Ray Stevenson. Both for Ray and his family and star wars fans as the fans finally had a worthy protagonist to enjoy. THE best casting decision since Ewan McGregor as Obi wan.
He was so cool- looking. Every movie I saw him in, he was just the coolest. He’s the only actor that actually looked like the Punisher (Punisher: War Zone 2008).
Right! Plus, he slayed like the Punisher.
He's really good in the first Outpost movie
Excellent Movie 🎥🍿‼️👊
He was also the one of if not the top character in the HBO Rome series so brilliant at acting he always made it so real
@@Sparx01thanks! I will definitely check that out! I need a new series
I knew watching this show was going to be bittersweet when Ray died. But I'm so glad so many others are seeing what I've seen since Rome.
I've always love the roles Ray has taken, my favorite being Titus Pullo of Rome and now Baylan, I'm glad he got to be a part of another great TV series.
@@BerekonaHis character in Dexter was also great. He would have made a great Doctor Doom when younger.
Thirteen!!!!!!
He Was Awesome In Rome!
Atleast he had a kid with cleopatra before passing
All I'm gonna say is thank you Ray for all the amazing characters you gave us especially Titus Pullo and for breaking into star wars and leaving us with an awesome character before becoming one with the force.
Quick correction C'baoth died during the clone wars while on Outbound Fight.
Ironically I was thinking the same thing, but I’d also think that he was at the Jedi Temple during Operation Knightfall and he saw Anakin
Maybe he was a sentinel and that's how he got orange...bleed yellow to make orange?
At this point we NEED a ongoing comic about the journeys of Baylan and Shin we'll call it Dark Jedi : Master and Apprentice.
Exactly 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
And a novel series
Or an animated series in Clone Wars art style.
When Yoda said, "There is another" he must have meant another 1000 Jedi
Yeah what he actually said was “there is anothererrrrr”
Seriously at this point Disney has added sooooo many former jedi post clone wars surviving its kind of a joke that Luke is the “only hope” that Obi wan and Yoda thinks they have. They literally could have rebuilt the jedi order again with so many Jedi around
Another hope leaning towards Leia
Sure, there were some Order 66 survivors, but none who had a chance at defeating Vader or the Emperor.
@@karlroveyyeah even if they did rebuild the order, Vader could probably topple it alone with his troops...again lol
I love his armor and fighting style. Strong and powerful - and he seems wise beyond his years.
Agreed. Baylan is one of the more interesting characters I've seen them produce recently and, yes, a Vader vs Baylan flashback would be pretty badass.
If we assume Baylan Skoll is the same age as Ray Stevenson, that would mean is was 28 years old when order 66 took place, 6 years older than Anakin. That would also mean that when Anakin first became at Padawan at 9 years old, Baylan would have been still a Padawan at 15, making it very likely they knew one another.
Not sure if this has any relevance but you never know...
+ @paulmccloud9395 He was Plokoon's padwan.
Why would Baylon be the same age as Ray? 😂you just making stuff up 😅
@@cymedeiros2711why not?
@@patrickt601 Because the actor chosen to play a character is irrelevant in every conceivable way. You think Dave wrote this character and then sought out an actor the same age? 🤦♂
@@Swearengen1980 not exactly the same, but to say its irrelevant doesnt fit
I wonder if Baylan is really using the dark side of the force? He doesn't seem to use emotions to any greater extent when he fights. It would be interesting if he is a light side user who simply have sided with the "bad guys" (from our point of view).
Seems to be so
I think Dooku didn’t show much emotions and he was a Darkside force welder
I would assume he’s just a very controlled individual, much like Dooku…you rarely if ever see Dooku show outright anger or strong emotions, he’s always calm and collected.
@@Ivbo Dooku wasn't a true sith
I don’t know he got very upset when Hati was forced choked & thrown against the standing stone by Ashoka, that’s when he went from a controlled anger to ‘you’re going to pay for that’.
My question is who was Baylan's Master during the Clone Wars or pre-Clone Wars? I think this should be explored at some point.
I want it to be Plo Koon
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Dooku or Qui Gon Jinn. He is very pragmatic
@@ShredderSenseiQui Gon was dead, homie. like what 😂
He’s old enough to have been a master or Knight . But you’re right. Someone trained him .
@@ShredderSenseiYou’re right . Dooku lost two Padawans to the dark side. Baylin isn’t fully dark though. Just a hardened survivor . Maybe he wants to start a new order but different in the uncharted regions. Respect 🫡.
Correction on the lore regarding Jorus and Joruus:
Jorus C'Boath died on Outbound Flight prior to the Clone Wars. Thrawn had bombarded the ship prior to being exiled.
Joruus C'Boath was guarding Mount Tantiss when Thrawn found it.
and Thrawn had to use the force canceling rodents to control C'Boath
Imagine what Baylin had to do to survive being hunted. That would require use of all force abilities. I’ve always wondered if Mace sent Jedi, masters, knights and Padawans into the unknown regions to start a new . Very much like the Empire became the Fart order. Being criminalised and hunted would change anyone .
The Fart Order: what happens after I eat black beans.
The Fart order 😂
All hail the fart order...squeaks, silent but violent, room clearers, sharts......
In canon, we have no evidence Mace Windu survived Anakin's betrayal. However, surviving Jedi would have fallen in to two camps : Those who resisted and those who succumbed. All of the post-Order-66 series have broached upon this dynamic. There would be no need to issue instructions as self-preservation is inherent in any sentient creature. We've already seen in Obi Wan that there was an "Underground Railroad" which helped surviving Jedi and Force Sensitives to evade and escape the Empire and it's Inquisitors. We also know that when the Resistance formed, surviving Jedi became involved. However, until Mandalorian 2.5 ( aka Book of Boba Fett) and Luke's New Jedi Order, we had never seen a Jedi Order in exile.
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I think Baylan and Anakin may have even possibly been friends, at one time before episode 3
I think so too
You didn't listen to the dialogue. He pretty much makes it clear that he didn't know Anakin personally. He knew him because Anakin was that renowned.
My guess is that Baylan can see the future and I believe that Baylan left the Jedi during the clone wars and he was not around to be killed by order 66
That explains how he survived so long. He isn't just calm and calculated he can mess with your head.
It seems many of the Jedi knew. In the comics Luke is running to a couple of them to survived Order 66, and every one of them seem to know that Anakin was Vader.
Really, the _only_ reason Luke didn't "know" was because he was an "adult" by the time he started training as a Jedi and had been raised in isolation by people who self-censored that knowledge from him. Oh and a Jedi Master who deliberately obfuscated, until Vader himself revealed the truth to Luke.
I’m thinking maybe Baylan was an Atris-type figure who was disillusioned by Anakin Skywalker’s style of the Jedi Order and left. Maybe he doesn’t know that Anakin is Vader, but rather alludes to being a victim of his own violence which led to the rise of the Galactic Empire. Currently, I think we don’t have enough lip service to prove Baylan knows Anakin is Vader
You right
We must agree to disagree good Sir . If you are correct then I respect your opinion.
@@brynstarkiller7419 You respect his "opinion" if he is correct? Worst sentence I've read online in a while. He's right, there is no proof yet. All this conjecture is based off a single reference which could have been said at the time of the Clone Wars, which seems the most probable.
He literally said "not many would live to see what he became". Tons of Jedi were alive during Anakins entire career. "Not many would live" could only refer to order 66. Those who do not know Anakin is Vader believe he died during order 66. It is so obvious that he knows Anakin is Vader. Your opinion makes 0 sense.
"Your legacy, like your masters, is one of death and destruction" - baylan Skoll to Ahsoka tano.
Yellow and Red make orange so that is a Consular and the Guardians or the temple guards, Sentinels. "Star Wars lore explains that the Sentinels seek a balance between the Consulars and the Guardians" So was he a temple guard?
Are you suggesting that Baylan's apprentice and Luke Skywalker are approximately the same age during this series?
Baylan Skoll is going to be near impossible to recast well. Ray Stevenson has left Star Wars with an engaging breath of fresh air just when it needed it most.
I only see Liev Schriber being able to give that same looming feeling. He played Sabertooth in Wolverine Origins & kinda favors ray a bit.
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Rest Easy Ray 👏🙏🏾!
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What if the Anakin we saw was from a timeline where Baylon went back and stopped order 66? 😂
With so much focus traditionally placed on the relationship between Palpatine and Anakin, I have to wonder, how many other Jedi may have fallen under Palpatine's sway. Dooku and Sifo Dyas is proof that he had influence over others within the Order, but we've only heard about these few. I mean, most of the Inquisitors are former Jedi that were turned, but how many of them had already fallen to the Dark Side, prior to the Clone Wars? How many may have actually participated in Order 66?
Simply, star wars 1-9 are the story of the path of palpatine to reach immortality, from a third person narrative perspective, mostly skywalkers. You have 1-3, were he announce his goals to annakin, and aims his "new body", we have 4-6, were he tries to get the alternative body, who withstand the ritual (Luke), and we have 7-9, were he aims a skywalker, switch to his own kind, and finally gets his immortality, when Rey do not deactivate here light saber like luke did, and finalize the ritual to immortality, and give her body to palpatine.
A great dark series, Star wars 1-9, were the "evil" reach there goal, against all odds.
@@aqvamarek5316 Maybe. Is that in the books or your take?
To be fair, "what he became and what he did" could be restricted to what happened during order 66.....but I'm like 99% sure he knows Anakin became Vader.
I think that Ahsoka was meant to become his padawan, he observed Ahsoka during her treining while she was Youngling and chose her but Jedi Council changed mind and denied his plead to teach her, then suddenly Anakin showed up and she became his padawan, he became face of Jedi in propaganda and everyone praised Anakin. This made Baylan distancing himself from Jedi either out of jealousy or shame of what Order has became. He then left Jedi during last stage of Clone Wars which saved him from Order 66.
Baylan being a grey-jedi should get more screentime in Ahsoka, that mans a total enigma filled with complexity !
Thank you Ray for a great character. It is amazing to watch you work. RIP Ray. God bless you and gods speed.
Thank you for this moment.
I thought all Jedi could mind read to an extent. If not mind read at least sort of pick up on others basic thoughts and emotions. Vader read Luke's mind during ROTJ and figured out that Leia was his sister during their duel.
Yoda often seems to do the same thing. So does Palpatine to Vader. Actually I think Palpatine does it to Vader all the time. He usually greets him with "Your thoughts are troubled" or something along those lines.
I would love a comic that explores Baylon's journey during the time between order 66 and the fall of the Empire.
Or an animated series in Clone Wars art style.
its only a matter of time.
Ray Stevenson played the Punisher like he was a serial killer. He was amazing.
Darth Vader would wipe floors with this Jedi one handed😂
A character that is full of mystery and we have to reconsider if he is good or bad.
If you theorize that Baylan used mind probe techniques, he would have learned that Anakin became Vadar simple from his encounter with Ahsoka; no need for him to have met Vadar.
Since this is after the fall of the Empire, I just assumed the identity of the mysterious Darth Vader is no secret anymore
Luke openly talked about Vader being his father after The Empire strikes back (at least if I remember correctly) and apparently Leia and Luke being related was also no secret after Return of the Jedi
People leaked the information that Vader was Leia's biological father in order to make her look bad politically.
It occurred to me that Baylon intends to destroy/incapacitate Thrawn. That he doesn't believe Ahsoka is capable or trustworthy enough to help. Go back and rewatch his scenes. He believes that he's the only one capable of pulling off whatever he has planned.
This may have already been asked… are you wanting to see Darth Vader and Baylon Skoll duel? Like a time jump in the past? Yeah, that would be cool.
I don't necessarily think Baylan really knew Anakin. Perhaps in passing, more acquaintances than friends. If we assume that Baylan is the same age as the actor, then Baylan was 6 or so years older than Anakin and unlikely to be anything more than just an acquaintance.
Consider the fact that his line in the show wasn't that he personally knew Anakin, but that "everyone in the Order knew Anakin Skywalker", as in everyone knew OF him. Which, of course they did, he was the Chosen One and the apprentice of Obi-Wan Kenobi. As for how Baylan knew that Anakin had become Vader-some sort of prescience perhaps. Maybe Baylan saw what Anakin would become and left the Jedi, thereby avoiding being slaughtered in the temple like so many others. IN any case, I can't wait to find out. Loving this show.
Part of me believes he has somehow traveled to the future. The way he speaks, calling Morgan, M'lady and holding out his hand just gives off an old knight from either before the High Republic or around that time.
Fallen order is cannon. Cal Kestis makes an orange saber. Years earlier than these episodes
Everyone fails to realize that “Baylan” is not his real name. It’s a misunderstanding. He foresaw order 66 coming and told the other jedi “Anyone comin’ with me? Because I’m bailin’!”
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It is possible that Ben Kenobi warned other Jedi when he sent the stay away message at the destroyed temple in the third prequel.
Also yaddles legends lightsaber was orange
Anakin is the new Father, Ahsoka the new Daughter, and Baylan Skoll the new Son
Baylon wants to end the sith and the Jedi and start a new order of balance between the two
Baylan dueling Vader would be really cool. He's one of the few characters I could except not getting utterly curbstomped by Vader. I mean he shouldn't be able to best him but he should atleast struggle against him a lot more than pretty much anyone aside of folks like Obi-Wan
Titus Pullo.. The 13th..⚔ ⚔️
Ahsoka is neutral good and Baylan is neutral evil. That's why their interaction is so cool!
BRUTAL, HE IS SUCH A GREAT ACTOR. VERY INTENSE YET GENTLE WILE TALKING
Is annoying how the cartoon live action movie on Star Wars this most annoying because never looks same character :c 1:00
A lot of this story is based off of the legends stories, and IIRC there was a threat from outside of known space, that Thrawn is unique suited to fight. Mayhaps Baylon see a better future with him, then without him.
hello star wars comics are you excited for the next episodes of ahsoka what was you're reaction to seeing Anakin in ahsoka I'm guessing we'll see thrawn and a flashback of what happened to Ezra when they went in to hyperspace
Ray Stevenson in my mind is one of the best actors I’ve seen in Star Wars so far in my opinion, it’s such a shame that he died before he baca me big star in my opinion, imagine how great the series would have been with him in it further, cool
How will they replace ray, ive heard maby age up cavil with cg. But i dont know
I feel like Baylan was once a behind the scenes Jedi Taskmaster. He served a respectable career as a jedi Knight giving his inferiors different objectives or tasks to fulfill while reporting his results or findings to his superiors. That could explain why he talks like he knew prominent characters as well as Ashoka herself yet remained obscure to her until now. She simply became Anakin's Padawan and didn't have to answer to Baylan for tasking because she took her tasks from her Jedi Master. That could also explain how Baylan is still even alive. If he was the Taskmaster for upcoming jedi padawan & knights alike, his knowledge of survival skills would be incredibly high. He could've survived order 66 on those skills and a little luck.
What happened to Amakin?? Just started watching StarsWars
he was a Jedi knight once very respected n famous but for his personal agenda he was seduced to the dark side n became darth vader , his son Luke Skywalker tried to make him come back to the light but it was kinda to late because he died , he lived his last moments with a good heart once again
He read the dvd insert
Anakin as he is now would eat this guy up.
A Baylan Vader face off would be FRICKIN EPIC, and unexpected.
Well since there are always are some younger fans around a little correction: Jorus has been killed before the clone wars during the Outbound Flight Project. Joruus has been a clone commisioned by Palpatine as a failsafe for his Wayland Vault.
What a fantastic actor. I first saw him as Titus Pullo in HBO’s Rome.
Honestly is very simple i believe. He said to his apprendice that he watch his world burn when he was her age. Which means he was present at the Jedi Temple when Anakin Attacked.
Which means he saw Dark Anakin slaughter the jedis.
And also i am pretty sure he heard the clones referring to Anakin as Lord Vader. So in that way he knew all long who was the man behind that dark mask all the time.
I would LOVE to see Baylon and Vader duel each other.... that would be epic!
It's going to be a tough act to follow for any actor who steps into Ray Stevenson's shoes. Hopefully they can capture the magic he exuded in his performance!
If there is a Vader/Baylan duel, I hope it happens in either the jedi temple (and he gets pulled back through by Ahsoka), or with Anakin in the World Between Worlds.
Awesome video, great insight!
If we assume that he he can in fact read minds, the idea of him trying to reach to world between worlds isn't so far fetched. He would know about it from Anakin/Vader and Ahsoka and reaching it could make him a "god". In this world he can see every point in time past, future and present and the same way Ezra interacted with it and safed Ahsoka, he could use his force powers to basically probe every jedis and siths mind, gathering more and more abilities.
This could also explain his lightsaber color it's orange because it's a mixture of lightside (jedi training) an dark side (probing vader and learning force choke).
He cares about his fellow jedi they where taught to see each other as family maybe he will help save ezra
Right on! Thanks for sharing!
The chance Baylan learned the identity of Darth Vader's by probing his mind via the force is ZERO. To do this he would have to break Darth Vader's force guard, which he would never have been able to do.
Using force precognition may have been one method he found out about Anakin. Once the veil of the dark side dropped, his force precognition picked it up; especially if he turned away from the Jedi Order just prior to Order 66. The precognition would allow him to know more than just the fact the event was about to occur, adding details others such as Darth Maul and even Ahsoka would not have picked up. Even though they felt it about to occur/occurring.
Because Thrawn knew who Darth Vader was, he likely let his suspicion known to a few close to him. Once Thrawn disappeared, those who knew of Thrawn's suspicion would likely have shared it with others. Baylan likely probed the mind of someone who learned, and then meditated through the Force for details to confirm.
or he could have linked up with Ben at some point during the Empire years and found out through him.
Amazing how in time we saw lots of references that Ahsoka can connect with animals and memories from the past to explain how she could do to space whales so easy :D...even the detail of near death experience to lastly give her the understanding of the force for a power up :D
I think Baylon was at the Jedi Temple during Order 66 and he either fought or saw Anakin.
The orange lighsaber became Canon do to jedi fallen order. This is the first time we see it in any live action or animated series. Remember those games are Canon. Also means there's 2 night sisters still living since merin was the only one living till Morgan now is a night sister. Witches love the number 3. So maybe there's a 3rd or Sabine has that in her from her time on dathomir and that's where her force comes from.
Hypothesis: Baylan seeks the Zeffo and wishes to create a new order with knowledge of all force sensitive children in the galaxy.
And why has he waited so long to reveal himself? It's clear he's very strong in the force why didn't he come and challenge? Darth Vader very interesting
Ray Stephenson has played this character so well. I want to see his character develop more but at the same time it’s a hell of a challenge to recast … regardless it’s been a great season 1 so far !!
RIP, Going to be interesting to see how Baylan is gonna go back in time. Wink Wink
Watch it'll be that They were lovers 😂😂😂
Doesn't bloodlines the princess Leia audiobook thing take place right around this time. In there it's revealed to the Galaxy to Anakin was Vader . And that book is canon
Everything would have been avoided if he just communicated to Ahsoka. Communicate y’all. 😭
he tried... Asoka has
never been anything but a wanderer and she fails to learn from mistakes over and over again.
@@goaway152 no he didn’t really. Just straight up say “Here’s the thing. We need this, to do this. And things will be better”. Granted there may still be disagreements after but at least it’s said.
All Baylan did was say “you’re in my way and this is necessary” (paraphrasing).
I think it’s a little bit more simple than that from the way he talks about seeing the Jedi temple guard. He could’ve just been there, witnessing Anakin become Darth Vader killing everyone at the temple.
Excellent Vid!
Hope we get a flashback scene in the Ahsoka series giving ya nuggets of Batman’s history and paints the picture of his encounter(s) with Anakin
The force, always there when an explanation is needed when the writers can’t think of anything else.
He knows because he's not on the high ground...
*HE IS THE HIGH GROUND*
Ray Stevensons portrayal of The Punisher is so underrated
I thought Jorus was a jedi master who died in the outbound flight program? I also heard he intended to conquer the neighboring galaxy with his fellow Jedi, with himself being a Jedi supremacist.
Jorus C'baoth wasnt a survivor of order 66 he was one of the 12 jedi and 50 thousand that was apart of the outbound flight project, *spolier alert* the issue was they would ran into the Yuuzhan Vong and the galatic republic wasnt at a state to where they would win the war
I doubt he could prob the mind of Vader he is way to powerful for him to be able to do anything that.
Or he could have been at the temple during operation knightfall and fled before anakin and the 501st could kill him and i thnk before baylan left the temple he took a baby youngling who would one day become his apprentice shin hati
Interesting connection
Yellow is the saber colour of temple gaurdians. Many guardians fought in the clone wars. Guardians are natural fighters.
I guess orange means he can use the fighting style of Mace Windu.
Like the purple Sabre, the orange saber will still be that of a Jedi.
If he can use Mace Windu's technique, then Vader and other Sith wouldn't stand a chance against him. Windu's technique feeds off the energy of his opponent and particularly feeds off of anger and hatred. This is why Windu was able to overpower Palpatine.
Wasn’t the knowledge that Vader was Anakin leaked when Leia was running for Chancellor? So is this before that then?
Could he be a mix of C'Baoth and Starkiller?
The saber, if red is a totally bled kyber, could orange be for someone who didn't make it to that total point in the dark side. His fighting style kind of resembles Vader's. He could be like the main inquisitor that later deserted the empire, I think another survivor to order 666 and specially to Vader would make Vader look weaker every time.
Sorry buy you’re wrong. Joruus C’Baoth died during the outbound flight project. The one we see is a half insane clone of his, made by the emperor in his attempts at perfecting his clone for eternal life. I’ve read that trilogy a hundred times.