The psychology of seduction | Raj Persaud | TEDxUniversityofBristol
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2024
- Psychiatrist Dr Raj Persaud argues much human distress arises out relationships. But we can all become more skilled in our relationships be they in the domains of friendship, romance, work or career. Deploying the psychological principles behind seduction, the author of a new book on dysfunctional love - 'Can't Get You Out Of My Head' - explains how improving how seductive you are, will also lead to benefits across many other aspects of your life, beyond just romance.
Raj Persaud is a Consultant Psychiatrist who has written and broadcast widely in the mainstream media besides working as an academic and clinical psychiatrist, achieving the senior post of NHS Consultant Psychiatrist at the Bethlem Royal and Maudsley Hospitals from 1994-2008. He has won numerous academic distinctions including the Royal College of Psychiatrist’s Research Prize and Medal and holds amongst 8 degrees and diplomas including a First Class Honours degree in Psychology.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
imagine being excited for finally getting invited to a date and then it turns out that you’re just a social experiment
Ppl get excited for dates? Omg dating is the worst. I wish I could skip all that, go from friends straight into a great relationship. If you ask me, science is wayy more fun than any first date!!
Yellow Ninja if i like the guy i am excited, otherwise not :)
That sounds kind of insulting. I think we all want to be wanted for what we uniquely possess inside.
Imagine finding the person YEARS ago.. but dating as a way to fill the void until somehow you two meet up again and she realizes you're BOTH ready to nurture eachother
story of my life
Everyone wants to MEET the right person, but very few want to do the very hard work of BEING the right person.
Have u became the right person?
So true! Great TED talk. Thanks.
I think this is a horrible message. He is basically saying the way to make your relationship more successful is to lie constantly to your partner to make her more attracted to you.
Here is better advice: Be yourself, and self reflect on your actions each day and decide and discuss with other ways you can change and develop for the better. Keep doing this and remain open and honest with people. Eventually you will find someone on a similar wave length. At least if things don't work out in the future you can have a healthy honest talk and move on.
I wouldn't advise what Dr Persaud is saying as he is advising you create lies to keep your partner more interested in you. That is never going to be healthy and is why there are so many destructive and unhealthy relationships out there. Do you think you will be happy if you have to consistently lie to keep someone interested in you? No, therefore the relationship will self destruct.
This guy is no relationship guru. He is a psychiatrist who has done one study with a multitude of flaws in it.
Are you trying to say that very few people are decent to their partners? That makes no sense to me at all
Hi Noah, depending on generation and definitions I would argue that most people make for very poor partners. We live in a world where the vast majority of people are stuck with addictions and self worry that makes it virtually impossible to be a good partner. Let alone a good parent!
My crush: How u doin?
Me (trying to be seductive): No
me: farts nervously and blames the girl
JAIL
Lol
LMAOO
@@danielhance1467 So do you treat all of your girls like dogs sir?
"Don´t change a thing, you´re perfect as you are, and my job is to help the world to recognise the perfection that I see".
exacto pero eso no se dice
I love this!
@@desireeccbeing perfect is a subjectively objective anomaly.
I got shivers with that one - my man did that
he needs to do audio books
Ashley Anderson if
@@prateekdatta if
for real
His voice.
On spotify
Insane charisma. Sound like he was reading on a promptor, so well prepared and competent! I wish i could do speech like this
ive read that there is a promptor in the back of the audience, set to everyone that is in the stage talking.
You can learn
Neu bornchild q
me too
@Jose Gomez-Hernandez impressive
"Life is a seduction game"
I'm doomed.
enroll for free lessons with me...am good.
Cliffhangers
No. It's precisely the myth he was trying to dispel. Anyone can play the game and anyone can master it. In fact we all do, ALL the time, even if we don't notice it. You included.
@@yo_carvallo If everyone can master it that mean everyone is competence and you need to be remastering everytime. I'd prefer the Middle Aged game of life with arrows and swords.
Tips for Seduction
1. Based on social psychology experiment, being disagreeable then switching halfway through to being agreeable makes you more attractive to the other person. An artificial "warm up" is created
2. Attention, interest, and maintenance. Different skills are necessary for each phase. Attention being am initial spark, interest being a focus on short term charms, and maintenance being long term commitment and patience.
3. Appealing to bolster their weaknesses into strengths. Finding an unmet need, and fulfilling it.
Tip to end all tips... Do all of those for yourself, ON yourself first. A whole, rounded person who bolsters, interests and attracts themselves, AKA loving you... no longer needs to spend time on themselves, and has all the love in the world to give. Funnily enough, that makes people irresistably attractive. Not to bring down the tone, but when you can have basically anyone you want, you'd better hope there's someone out there who's worth loving. When you value yourself, suddenly you're back to square one. And so life contuniues... you don't complete life, and if you do, you either haven't, or the dissapointment you'll feel will ruin you. Woop woop!
Amen!!
@@Corvid true! Too many people forget about selflove and selfcare
Thanks for the summary.
what is the social psychology experiment? can you leave a pink with a pdf?
Filling the unmet need is the key to being a salesman.
+andrew domenitz >> " _Filling the unmet need is the key to being a salesman._ "
the salesman will sell you something you already have
Robzabest25 Exactly. I feel like salesmen invent a need and then fill it for you. An example, mouthwash. The term "halitosis" was coined by the company Listerine, and that same company just happens to sell mouthwash? I don't think so.
+Lilium >> " _The term "halitosis" was coined by the company Listerine, ... etc._ "
+Robzabest25 >> " _the salesman will sell you something you already have_ "
"Fill the unmet need." Wonderful, what a wise statement!
If someone dumps you because he has to feel powerful you're probably better off without him
Speaking I
When you're constantly anxious, you know, who is not the unmet need. ;u;
Porque no traducen esta charla TED al castellano
I did it with a girl i was in love with. Since then, she doesn't speak to me anymore.
"dr. persaud, i don't need prozac... i need a boyfriend!" i'm feeling attacked
I read this the same time he said it in the video
I need a GF . Mail me..
or a BF who can prescribe Prozac. Fluoxetine is no longer the first choice in the UK, it's sertraline. Prozac is very long-acting and takes 5 weeks to clear from the system.
@@songsofthecentury3909 Damn, you ok there?
@@songsofthecentury3909 Prozac's main ingredient FLUORIDE. Look it up. It also damages teeth and bones, as well as the brain.
Bro rizzed up the whole audience
I met a girl, found out she needed another guy, I then focused all my efforts to help her get that guy. And she did. Am I doing this right?
Miming Cat XD
Miming Cat HAHAHA! Hilarious
this is one of the coolest examples. I m still laughing :)
Indeed for sure! She will marry him and have affairs with you.
hitty9 seems like a win win situation 😁😁🤣
Reminds me of why people like people who 'play hard to get', it's because being able to see that change/impact that happens is seductive... when that person finally 'warms up'
this is true
I think the problem lays in them doing it for too long
You mean the "surprise effect" is because of the play/game "hard to get 3?" 🙂
Mandy people always want what they cant have
Lisa van Dam yes. Humans desire the UNATTAINABLE
LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Just had a client send this to me and I could not agree more with your message about Casanova. Women and people in general want to be seen for who they ARE not who they could be with little fixes. Totally seductive and true. Great job
Lol that applies to men far more as our value is often tied to our career or potential, letting a man know you love who he is and not who he could be is definitely filling a need many neglect
@@forrealforreal588 Very true. And it's also very easy to do as well. All the girl have to do is just... accept him as he is. She doesn't even need to learn any difficult craft or put a great deal of effort on anything to woo him over. All that needs to be done is just take him right away. Easy.
Real talk...99% of the dating population in this world don't even know what they want...
Interesting
@@forrealforreal588 she literally said "women and people in general" and yet you had to come here in the comments to whine. You're annoying, that's the reason women don't like who you are.
"The problem with the modern world, tinder and aps is that we are losing our skills of seduction." Love it! With the hook up culture we just forgets that seduction takes time.
Speak for urself i got this
Hookup culture ruins relationships. No self valuing or bonding
The speaker states at the end, "...isn't it possible that leaving you wanting more is kind of a seduction?" So I'm guessing you have to go to his clinic to get more...
or you can buy his books, or you can buy other books. all this opportinities
Ruben Martinez yesssssss!!!! That's seduction in action.
He's just baiting for clicks. That's why I disliked.
Sales man tactic
Pm
What an ending! (Spoiler alert!)
"I apologize I've run out of time so I won't be able to answer those questions. But, is it possible that leaving you, wanting more is kind of a seduction?"
Great ending!
Allen Ante I AGREE!!!
Allen Ante @
wants you to go to his clinic
hello
I was waiting for some Mindplay like this and havent been disappointed
There is a theory of Love that says that we are attracted to someone who is strong where we are weak--and they can do what we cannot, and weak where we are strong--so we can do what they cannot. There needs to be some common interests that both are good at, or/and both are bad at, but it is this counter-match ("opposites attract") that makes the Love. In effect, what it does is make two incompetent part people into one competent whole couple. This is another variation of Dr. Persaud's concept of "fill the unmet need". You are meeting the need of your partner that they cannot meet themselves, and in return, they do the same for you
I was thinking about this.
Many narcissists are successful in seducing mass amounts of people if the population has an unmet need of attention, is my theory (this particularly applies to societies which condemn narcissism, excess self-love, in favor of self-castigation or self-hate- the narcissist senses, maybe intuitively, that people want to be seen and loved as individuals apart from the collective- but of course since they’re seducing so many people, they can only keep it up for a while- and it never works more than once ;)
this comment is beyond the video !!!!mind blowing
in what aspect ? i mean look is still the most important
This is fab where is this from ?
damn this was really deep and I really felt it
Robert Greene's book "Art of Seduction" took me to another level in communication
awesome, he's a class speaker, well-paced, very intelligent and his voice is so soothing lol. I'm seduced :)
Dr. Raj Persaud, Amazing orator, not a single em or er in the whole speach, and so knowledgeable, a little humour. He seduced the audience.
As i read this comment at @6:00 he goes loudly “umm” 😂😂😂
Thanks EJ for the summary. Below is your summary with timestamps
Tips for Seduction
1. 5:56 Based on social psychology experiment, being disagreeable then switching halfway through to being agreeable makes you more attractive to the other person. An artificial "warm up" is created
2. 9:09 Attention, interest, and maintenance. Different skills are necessary for each phase. Attention being am initial spark, interest being a focus on short term charms, and maintenance being long term commitment and patience.
3. 10:55 Appealing to bolster their weaknesses into strengths. Finding an unmet need, and fulfilling it.
You are a hero for doing this
Thank you!!
Thanks
That was one of the most eloquent speeches Ive ever heard. No pauses no uhms and ahs. Amazing.
I really like this guy, how he goes about seduction and separates the erotic side from the psychological part. Many people think automatically of seduction being erotic which if that's all your focused on, you're just screwing yourself and setting yourself up for failure. But by following his suit, it goes into the proper way to do it, very great episode!
I guess in order for seduction to be good (and ethical) it must be genuine and kind or else it's nothing more than a meaningless game.
Absolutely spot on.
google zahavian signalling (signalling theory). One of the reasons the woman was attracted to Casanova was because he performed a costly signal (spending days to thoughtfully write a play with no R's), demonstrating true intent of his attraction.
but it is meaningless.
we are all born and driven by the underlying need to spread our seeds so that our species will have better odds in natural selection.
@@bjornflokison7443that's true but we aren't ONLY driven by that. Life has the meaning you give it. Also, we have have a choice as to who we're going to procreate with, so making yourself seem a more attractive prospect is how you get to be the one whose genes get passed on. Animals have courtship rituals. Furthermore, if you want to improve the odds of passing on your genes, you need to show that you are the kind of person who is going to be a good long-term bet, given the human gestation and life cycle length. Appealing in the moment isn't enough.
@@bjornflokison7443 I always found that statement to be an empty view of the world. I look at mating as a chance to find an awesome partner to spend your life with and have a loving house where you and your wife are more likely to have happy children. If you believe in an afterlife, that also sets the stage for those people to be more likely to go to Heaven too.
He made absolute sense to me. His delivery was impeccable, understandable and relatable. No speech impediment or play but how easily that can translate to modern day emotional or even physical needs that need to be met and filled more then ever... yes 👏🏼👏🏼 wonderful hope he makes more videos.
My God he's brilliant. That's exactly how my husband seduced me ; he found my unmet needs and fill them better than anyone ever before. Thank you for this terrific presentation.
How did he find it?
I watched this because my name is almost the same as this man.
lol
Congratulations.
so it makes you more seductive automatically :)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You should give a talk on honesty!
That is exactly how 20 years ago my future husband seduced me! He saw my need and met it! I came home from work to find the first thing he ever gave me sitting in my living room, He had bought me a washing machine!!! Mine was broken and I was washing by hand for three people after work every day. (One was a three year old, lots of laundry! And my room mate who was sick.)We just celebrated our 19th Anniversary!
+Audrey Grant >> " _That is exactly how 20 years ago my future husband seduced me!_ "
Does the machine still work?
Funny that, I bought mine a broomstick, brush, pan and apron. Didn't go down too well. Any singles out there? I'm in the market.
he broke into your house with a washer machine and you married him?
That kinda sounds like he just paid for speech therapy classes
i realy need to do something else but i can't leave because of his voice and how he's speaking.
Much (if not all) of what he's saying is actually great advice to marketers. Brilliant talk!
I just want to meet someone who acknowledges that this is how the majority of society operates, and breaks that cycle. It seems to be such an obviously futile method of obtaining happiness, and if we can step past this would achieve something much more valuable.
Is it? Wanting people to pay attention to us, to be of a valuable presence, to help us is an eternal desire. Seduction simply builds on that.
I agree. I haven't much patience for it. But it can be a long wait. I only met someone like that at 23 (10 years ago, my wife). Before that, it was only casual stuff, because I had no interest in the game.
Dylan Ost I understand that "the cycle" can be exhausting to partake in, but even if you manage to break "the cycle", have you got anything else to replace it with that will actually work???
@@crimson6172 Am genuinely curious about that too
Is being attentive and putting value on people such a bad model?
Every single transaction and interaction can be viewed cynically, but to what end?
It seems that your unmet need is authenticity. You will find the 'one' when you meet someone who can give this. But you will also need to meet their unmet needs too. Is that so unreasonable?
This guys is an amazing speakers. He's so eloquent
+SEBp mtl Lol
Maybe you were seduced? I found the beginning of his speech was only weakly connecting with the audience. I can't argue that he has an eloquent way about him though. It might be easier to speak about things when you know people are eating out of your hand. Find topics people struggle with (an unmet need), hook, line, and sinker. (A.K.A. - The format of the best Ted talks. "Ideas worth talking about.")
Yes very good speaking voice...
Fantastic delivery - great points. Our technology is from a 'me first' perspective. Raj makes it clear that is what's keeping us alone.
Possibly the best speaker I've seen on TEDx till date. Bravo!
BRUH! this man is dripping with swag, his prose flames all other ted talks.
Superb Doctor . What an eloquent lecture and delivered with wit and yet full of critical information. Thanks
One of the best teds I’ve watched. The way he ended with a form of seduction was brilliant!😍🥰🔥
For me it was very powerful " you can choose to don't play the game but just be aware everyone else is doing" . So this is it. You may refuse to follow the patterns but they will always be there no matter what ! very wise!!! loved it and made a lot of notes
Wow. This is brilliant. This guy is brilliant. I've listened to quite a few lectures and talks on this ancient art, and most of the time, I'm bored to tears. Bringing us home to the old school, Raj. thank you.
That delivery was smooth. Bang on with the "unmet needs"
This is so brilliant I love this TED Talk and it translates to every relationship in your life and most definitely explains the bond that I have formed with my mate without realizing it I discovered and fulfilled his most basic unmet need.
That was very deep but I agree with him, if you want something whether it's about someone you like or material things that you want to achieve in life, you really have to give first or make an offer before it is given to you and that's how seduction works, it really works like magic.
A brilliant ted talk truly ! Thank you doctor Persaud !
*sijuicing*
That Estuary accent coming through 😍
Lol
sijuice me!
sejuice**
you must have been the best deskmate
This man is my favorite ted speaker so far. The way he was able to convey such a complex message into a very simple idea, waw!
Recently I’ve noticed With ted talks that they grab you by the title, and once you watch it, it’s a pointless talk.
However this guy, really got into details and was able to clearly say his message.
Waw I’m impressed
@Milin Patel hahahahah right on the spot
Fill the unmet need in a way it's never been filled before ! Perfect speech, thank you!
Brilliant - I read the title and immediately thought “TED wouldn’t ask a “pick-up-artist to speak... would they?” I had to find out for myself. The final point “Find The Un-Met Need” is something that I think is profoundly important in our society today and if everyone took this on as their mantra, altruistically or not, the world would be a better place.
very intelligent and amazing speech.
Your mission is accomplished, Dr. Persaud. You've left me wanting more in a curious kind of way that makes me understand the power of 'Seduction' Thanks!
the way he used the concept to lure us to how he will talk about seduction is sooo smooth
Truly an incredible speech. You learn a lot, while you are moved by the message. pretty perfect speech!
his eloquence was amazing and catching, plus the humour was just at the right time. what an amazing talk!
Not only is his voice very soothing to me, but the points that he makes about the play that lacks words with the letter r in it are very deep and true.
That was one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard
This video literally made my day. Wow. Pure. Genius.
Can you do a TedTalk on how to let the words flow so well in a speech. One of the best TedTalks I've seen!
Attention, interest, maintenance
Discovering the unmet need
Filling the unmet need
...
He got my attention via the title, he peaked my interest via giving me value, and now I DESIRE to know HOW thus making him the source. He will in a sense teach me how to maintain my ability to be successfully seductive.
So much energy so much eloquence but a message that could be given in a minute
One of the best lectures. I SWEAR A TEAR ALMOST AROUSED. This is man knows The Real Game🔥🔥🔥
Am I the only one who thinks a girl would be creeped out if you wrote an entire play for her after meeting her once?
No ... lol that is quite romantic and clever. I had men compose music and poetry in my name and paint art. Inspiring someone to do something out of ordinary is quite enchanting.
Writing a play - is a form of an art ...
would be creepy if he stalked her or was throwing himself on her on the first day - which happens way too often!!
@@CharlotteG754 I think the presentation of his feelings or the things he has done for u plays a very important role.. it could work really well if u present it in a charismatic way..
That would depend on the girl heh. I'd say reading a room will be crucial. Find the thing she would likely love based on what you have learned about her. Don't just do the thing you would want. I think that is the most common error.
No. I'd be impressed. And actually consider you (I don't date, im Surrounded by idiots)
I am not very fond of these TED talks but this guy's speaking skills are beyond anyone I have ever seen. Taught me how to talk.
This was incredible! Persaud is so well-spoken
So in conclusion, we have 2 key points here:
1. About the experience of "half-day of rejection & half-day of agreement", it says that if you express like they have made an impact on you, then you get a bonus point!
2. About the story of the play with no word "R", it says that if you can figure out and satisfy their unmet needs (also let them see that they're perfect as the way they are), then you get another bonus point.
Am I missing anything?
By the way, this is a wonderful clip. Thanks TedTalk
Huy Vũ Quang I think also one thing you missed was his point about the play vs the gas station flowers. Your goal is to make them feel special- set apart from the others. Casanova’s expression of admiration was much more impactful because he met her need is a PERSONALIZED way. He put in obvious effort all for her and ONLY her. Like he said, he’s not running around writing complex plays for just anyone. You can buy anyone a $15 bouquet without much thought or effort on your part, which tells that person they aren’t worth that enough to you. Not saying flowers aren’t lovely to receive as a loving gesture, but it can’t be your grand gesture of admiration like he’s talking about here.
Eloquent and polished presenter! The only problem is that I feel like I learned very little from him. The content of his talk reminds me of high school papers in which the students write the same information in several different ways, in order to meet the page count requirement.
One of the best Ted Talks I've ever seen. Thank you.
Nice video. I think it's a good sign for myself that I've always known this thing about if you want to give someone a good gift, something that will make them like you more, make it something which is personal for them, even better if it fills some of their needs
What this dude had to say was very interesting, but more importantly, I want this man to narrate every book that I read in the future.
He speaks so nicely and eloquently. His accent is sharp as well. However, I did not like this talk on seduction.
I see what you did there.
deeper purpose, are you trying to seduce us? 😊
Aw ha haaa I see what you are doing
Witty
performed incredibly well! what a speech! very inspiring how he is presenting.
Nailed it! This makes perfect sense.. thank you 💕
Absolutely effing brilliant. This is the EXACT essence of seduction
1. First disagree than agree
-other person will think they have an impact on you and that you've warmed up
2. Attention, interest, maintenance
3. Fill the unmed need
-in a way it's never been filled before
one of the best speeches iv ever listened. profound and excellently delivered
For the first time ever I applauded at the end of a talk. This is wonderful👏👏👏👏👏
Basically isn't (for most people) being accepted the greatest need we have? Cassanova's move does just that, he accepts her despite a flaw she sees in herself. Someone accepting you regardless of your faults is one of the best feelings there is.
I love this. I used to think I really was a master in the art of seduction on a personal and professional level. And to some degree I am, but now I know how to amplify my skills. I don’t want to use my charms for maleficent intent. I now know to focus more on an unmet need and allow the object (man, job, etc) of my desire to gravitate towards me.
Wow!! He is good! I use to be a pick up artist and he made me remember something I stopped doing. Seduction is like torture but with plsause. He's good with his speech!
Thank u for the useful data to take in as a person looking to understand love and relationships
Brilliant talk. He'd make an excellent news reader.
he is a professor, guiding the generations and you want him to be a newsreader. what a generation
This man's speech is brilliant, but speaking for myself I would rather be single for the rest of my life than building a facade and tricking a person who I love into thinking what I'm not. I value honesty.
And you're completely right. Seduction is absolutely about PAYING ATTENTION and SATISFYING NEEDS. Absolutely nothing dishonest about it, but instead something truly beautiful.
I always saw life with my lenses too but like he said, you can choose not to play the game but be aware everyone else is doing it...…. and if things are not working out, we have to try new methods!
Nobody said you had to build a facade to seduce someone.. Wtf
Who said you can't unknowingly seduce someone by being yoursef, being naturally caring, and being able to state personal opinions of disagreement and consensus? You could be "playing the game" without realizing you're playing it. It doesn't have to be deliberate and forced.
You didn't understand that right.
for god sakes, you're so eloquent and the speech is perfectly executed !!! I am super impressed. audible should hire you.
Loved it!!! Learnt a lot and had fun. He knows what he is doing.
He just seducted me with his wit and charm, a great speaker with a terrific sense of timing.
lol im good at taking people who are rabbidly in love with me and making them somewhat disinterested.. rather than this vice versa thign called 'seduction'
Ha! That is so me!
yess i feel the same. maybe its bec. im an extrovert and open too much too early then it came that they already know everything and get disinterested
It’s called “reduction”.
I have had 3 relationships with women in my life where I was completely aware of their attraction to me, but I just sort of felt pressured by it so I avoided getting too close. I don't know whats wrong with me.
Exactly. It's a curse tbh. 😒
Excellent, well-written and well-delivered talk!
wise words! i really was questioning the whole ‘seduction game ‘ but couldn’t find a way to answer it. glad i happen to slide upon this video.
great speech
I now realize how I unconsciously met my friend's unmet need. I approached her when she was new at the school, just when she needed someone to help her adjust.
One of the greatest Ted lectures..
You're the best one yet Raj the best speaker on the show ever...👏🏾👏🏾
He was right. It is very complicated, now I see I don't have any hope. He just left us in the middle of the air falling down.
Is he saying that all we want are tsunderes
creepy
I've been scrolling through the comments in search of someone addressing how he stated tsunderes are psychologically, fundamentally attractive. Glad I wasn't the only one who immediately thought of tsunderes.
Pretty much...
Most under rated comment of all time
Tsunderes banzai!
A very well spoken and exceptionally explained Ted talk. He disects and analyse every aspect of his topic so clearly and logically. Complicated aspects so easily explainec
I SO enjoyed this. Absolutely brilliant!
I always live as my authentic self no matter where I am, who I'm with and this has even developed into a theory of my own.
First thing to know is I'm Autistic, there's just as many good things about Autism as there is difficult. One of the good things is those of us Autistic are not so tied to social expectations, that we will not sacrifice our values for the sake of social acceptance.
I've listened to lots of Autistic people and have developed the theory that authenticity is an unrecognised characteristic of Autism.
He's a great speaker...if that's a seduction...I got seduced! :)
;-)
I don’t know why this is so funny to me 😂
I think everyone did
@@mjsart7399 I really didn't. I got so bored
He is brilliant! Totally enjoyed him. 👌🏿🧡
This was a great talk! Thank you Dr Persaud