Using cement powder? Great thinker and I hope this man and his team are recognized for ALL the work they put into their town. A growing problem that needs a lot more input and financial help, especially from the government. Terry from Australia.
Excellent video, thanks. It’s totally amazing that the business owner Jin Zheng was storing significant HAZMAT with no permits, no municipal license or liability insurance. The residents of Morris, IL will suffer significant health and financial losses for decades. Jin Zheng says “so sorry”.
Wow - when the clean up started 10 months after the fire, some of the battery debris then being moved went back into thermal runaway ! ! This stuff is unbelievably & dangerously unstable.
Regular wood fires do that, homes that catch fire can still re ignite a week later. Their are forest fires in Canada that burned underground for the entire winter. Their is a reason they say to use tons of water to extinguish a pit fire.
Tens of thousands more. Lithium batteries are too deeply ingrained into everyday life, people will refuse to turn back unless lithium battery fire frequency and severity render them unacceptable. The best compromise you are likely to ever get is banning the least stable chemistries like NMC and NCA from new devices.
We already know it isn't. The problem is the psychos in charge don't care. People claim the T-man hates the environment, but the reality is that he sees (like a lot of people with common sense) this anti-CO2 agenda is doing more harm to the environment over production of a HARMLESS gas that already exists in the environment and is consumed by plants.
Until you also realise the whole climate change line is BS. Lomg story short the sun is just getting hotter, it's the hottest its been in over 1000 years.
Q: we're hell bent on creating lots of really big ones? Right. A: yes, as we've heard for the last 100 years "everything's BIG in Texas". ironically this mantra now includes the ROCKETS that have to "ditch" into the Indian Ocean, because the bloody things can't make it BACK to the launch pad in Texas, where they could then do all the "exploding" and "poisoning" they like.
Talk about a fly by night outfit. Occupying the building with no permits, no utilities, no notification of hazmat to local authorities. These are the kind of companies that are bringing you the "green future"
Children as young a 5 work along side their families for $1 a day in Open Castle mines, picking out the Ore.... They will never reach middle age let alone grow old . Then the Ore is transported to another Continent to be refined, using millions of gallons of water , leaving farmland dry and people starving. It's then transported to Another Continent where they are put into vehicles, which are then transported to many Continent's. Then they use Coal , Gas and Nuclear Power to charge them, and none of those Generating Plants are Green..... Then when they go up in smoke, the fumes are poisoning the atmosphere and water run off from the Fire Department poisons lakes and rivers which flow into the sea , destroying eco systems and killing fish and all other wildlife... Some will get into the Water Table and Contaminate drinking water which will poison you..... Now , has anyone got a sensible argument against the facts I've stated !!!!! Well there isn't one. It's only Big Business that makes so much money driving this forward. They don't care about you, just your money 💰🤑
Handling these batteries should be handled like explosives or Fire works. Keep batches separated in small out building like a magazine. Large isolated property with large distance to neighbors. A water source sufficient to handle an incident with prevailing winds in mind. Old rock quarry or mining sites ect. That company that made the odor for Natural gas outside of Las Vegas, out away from everything was definitely a good example.
I really feel like the fire departments near the new battery facility near Flatrock are NOT ready for the cost to prepare "properly" for that facility when it goes up! And they better DAMN sure not pass the cost of that to our taxes!!!
At first I thought stop trying to tell people what to buy. Let EVs thrive on their own merit. You want an EV, fine, no problem. But now I think they are just an absolute menace. Just ban them outright. How many roads need to be shut down for days? How many parking garages are in danger from their fires? There is no good reason to keep making these cars. We don't need them.
re:"There is no good reason to keep making these cars..." and therein lies the rub, if/when you put this question to EV advocates of WHY we should keep making these cars...? they will quickly supply you with the answer that the "good reason" is because they're SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT, or some variation on this theme. okay see the Psychology 101 textbook entry then for RATIONALIZATION... no what's actually happening is, they are simply REPEATING THE LEON HUSK LIE that they've bought into, that's told them that the negative effects of Climate Change can be "magically mitigated" by them engaging in the EXACT SAME CONSUMER BEHAVIOR of continuing to be "addicted" to Technology and Industrialization, which is literally what's created the problem in the first damn place... that's right the PARADOX is staring them in the face, so an additional problem exists in that most brains on Planet Earth simply LACK the maturity and Cognitive Development to confront and properly deal with PARADOX. believe me i'm not saying dealing with it is "easy" or anything because it isn't, but as we know (well some of us anyway) these are the responsibilities that comes with being an adult, living in a society made up of other adults. # ADULTING IS HARD
Even when the fire is out and the windows of the properties are shut, what residue is still around? More to the point what will this toxic stuff do to people in the long term?
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC and used engine oil is easy to dispose of. Just dig a hole and put it back int he ground. Or if you have a river near by, out to sea.
And methane is broken down in the atmosphere after 12-13 years so as long as you don't add more cows then you aren't worsening things. Besides, creating wetlands projects (think rewilding) emits methane.
@@vendomnu you are correct, I don't understand your logic. Who cares about 12-13 years? Where did you find that nonsense? How many years for farting elephants 27-29 years? Are horses 16-18 years? Please learn me!
@StacheDTraining I'm a retired volunteer firefighter here in Baltimore county MD. Because of your videos I'm going to try and put together a series of trainings on the videos that I've saved.
A recent Lithium batteries fire in Missouri, The firefighting water runoff, Cause a serious environmental Hazzard, Making ground water toxic and killing fish and wildlife.
Yes why is it as a society it is now ok to dive headfirst into things like new batteries and new medicine without thorough prechecks? We are going to end up losing more than we help if we stay this course.
Knee jerk decisions, carbon footprint nonsense, made by politicians and pushed by legacy media. most all lies and results in just plain money laundering. Electric battery tech is a good thing . Battery tech is not up to safety standard yet. As time goes on it will replace much.
Q: why is it as a society it is now ok to dive headfirst into things like new batteries and new medicine without thorough prechecks? A: GREED. like the old commercial used to say "It's what's for breakfast..."
I’m just wondering why you’d put that much stock of a known volatile material that close together. Firewalls are common in townhouses to prevent fire in one unit moving over to an adjacent unit. Block filled with cement.
Easy. That guy was getting paid to dispose of batteries. The rent on a decrepit facility like that is comparitvely low. Meaning he can profit by just storing the batteries.
A simple regulation would solve many problems caused by Li-ion batteries: "The manufacturer of the device or the battery shall take care of utilization and recycling of that device or battery". Old and damaged BEVs should go not to junk yard, but back to the manufacturer that produced those cars so they can utilize and recycle their products and the batteries
Is anybody doing testing on shipping DDR in overpack drums of cement, sand, or other dry material? It kind of makes sense. Allows the pressure to vent when needed then is self-sealing. Non-combustible material with excellent thermal insulating properties. It will not stop the fire or thermal run-a-ways but will not aid in the spreading of the fire and limits the radiant heat to the next pile or drum of batteries. May also need to look at self-venting steel drums to prevent explosions and causing the drums to go flying into other things. Highly doubt this approach would work on EV batteries since there is just too much energy in a steel case.
I think it needs to emphasized that this was a small town. Corporations have targeted small towns repeatedly because with small towns comes small town hospitality and cheaper bribes/payoffs.
I wonder if these batteries were considered recycled or not according to the documents. Most likely, only a few battery recycling plants that accept lithium batteries have the capability to recycle such batteries. The rest simply rent cheap warehouses and are hoarding batteries there.
Q: When is someone going to investigate the use of liquid nitrogen as a method of extinguishing Li ion battery fires? A: it's being done actually. i heard it discussed at a seminar on Li-Ion Battery Safety 2 years ago, by a little known research institute that works with the US Navy (ref: Submarine Warfare) and who knows how long the research has been happening before it came to MY attention...? now the fact that i mentioned "Subs" (ie, the Boats not the Sandwich) will be your FIRST CLUE as to why you've never heard about it... but really that's neither here nor there, because regardless of what remedy the mind of Man "concocts", as i've said many times before (and i keep being proven right on this) the Universe has NO INTENTION of letting Humanity off the hook "easily" for all the mistakes it keeps making in the way it mis-handles the environment. okay see entry for LEIDENFROST EFFECT... now as Fire Fighters (and Chemists) will tell you, as "unsexy" an "un-exotic" as it may be, plain old H2O is still the "heavy weight champ" in terms of cooling and heat absorption when fighting Li-Ion Battery Fires. this means LN2 (symbol for Liquid Nitrogen) is actually not the "panacea" consumers and laymen to Chemistry think it is. trust me i LOVE the Terminator 2 movie as much as anyone, but the scene where the T1000 becomes "frozen" off being exposed to LN2 (particularly when starting with a superheated object) is unfortunately a little more complicated in reality than the way Cameron depicts it in the film... also see entry for TEMPERATURE DIFFERENTIAL. see further entry for SUBLIMATION.
It's good to know there are competent, sensible fire chiefs like Chief Steffes taking care of people.
Thank you for the incredible detail.
These batteries are a true menace.
But...but...but... EV's are so GREEEEEEN! They're ZERO EMISSIONS!!!!!
But.... But... ICE catch fire too! At least that's what the greenies say.
@@joejones4172 ICE fires are not this difficult to deal with
The EV’s are a scam….rolling Crematoriums
@@joejones4172info from a firefighter themselves....
Ice fires go out with 100 gallons or less to put out.
EVs 10000 + gallons of toxic water runoff.
There was no mention of EV batteries being involved in the fire.
Using cement powder? Great thinker and I hope this man and his team are recognized for ALL the work they put into their town. A growing problem that needs a lot more input and financial help, especially from the government.
Terry from Australia.
Excellent video, thanks. It’s totally amazing that the business owner Jin Zheng was storing significant HAZMAT with no permits, no municipal license or liability insurance. The residents of Morris, IL will suffer significant health and financial losses for decades. Jin Zheng says “so sorry”.
Chinese privilege.
Wow - when the clean up started 10 months after the fire, some of the battery debris then being moved went back into thermal runaway ! ! This stuff is unbelievably & dangerously unstable.
Regular wood fires do that, homes that catch fire can still re ignite a week later. Their are forest fires in Canada that burned underground for the entire winter. Their is a reason they say to use tons of water to extinguish a pit fire.
Lol this fire wasn’t 10 months ago .
@@chrisward5626June 29th 2021, says at the start, so no it was longer than ten months ago.
Lithium Ion, Water, Let's Party. Gratitude to You Moustache Man for Enabling My Keyboard To Accept This Input. Strength! GODspeed!
How many lithium ion battery fires have to happen before we realize the technology isn't ready for prime time?
Tens of thousands more. Lithium batteries are too deeply ingrained into everyday life, people will refuse to turn back unless lithium battery fire frequency and severity render them unacceptable.
The best compromise you are likely to ever get is banning the least stable chemistries like NMC and NCA from new devices.
We already know it isn't. The problem is the psychos in charge don't care. People claim the T-man hates the environment, but the reality is that he sees (like a lot of people with common sense) this anti-CO2 agenda is doing more harm to the environment over production of a HARMLESS gas that already exists in the environment and is consumed by plants.
Until you also realise the whole climate change line is BS. Lomg story short the sun is just getting hotter, it's the hottest its been in over 1000 years.
40 billion lithium batteries in the world , pretty sure it’s here to stay
WE do realise. It's just an agenda they're pushing.
Fire fighters world wide need us to keep forwarding the story of what works and what does not work😮
Bless you guys
People would be out of their minds to let one of these plants in their town or city. Just say No. Your family will thank you for a better future
These big fires seem to be happening a lot.
So we already have a huge problem with lots of little EOL lithium batteries and we're hell bent on creating lots of really big ones? Right got it!
Q: we're hell bent on creating lots of really big ones? Right. A: yes, as we've heard for the last 100 years "everything's BIG in Texas". ironically this mantra now includes the ROCKETS that have to "ditch" into the Indian Ocean, because the bloody things can't make it BACK to the launch pad in Texas, where they could then do all the "exploding" and "poisoning" they like.
Yes, because the benifit outweighs the danger, you know how many oil drills and refineries have exploded in the last decade?
Just stop @@odisy64
At least it wasn't a scrap yard full of old tires burning! Lithium facilities need to be well outside of populated areas.
Common sense isn't common unfortunately
In my area we've had numerous compost pile fires which are pretty nasty to put out. Not exactly toxic, but not fun for neighbors.
@@grayrabbit2211Now imagine that is a lithium ion fire, or tires burning.
Talk about a fly by night outfit. Occupying the building with no permits, no utilities, no notification of hazmat to local authorities. These are the kind of companies that are bringing you the "green future"
All over the country, while Federal, State, & local Govts look the other way in the name of the silent EV mandate.
Chinese owner.
Seems to be a lot of EV fires and battery fires.
back to the good old NiCad batt´s
Cadmium is a very nasty chemical.
hell no lol those suck
Children as young a 5 work along side their families for $1 a day in Open Castle mines, picking out the Ore....
They will never reach middle age let alone grow old .
Then the Ore is transported to another Continent to be refined, using millions of gallons of water , leaving farmland dry and people starving.
It's then transported to Another Continent where they are put into vehicles, which are then transported to many Continent's.
Then they use Coal , Gas and Nuclear Power to charge them, and none of those Generating Plants are Green.....
Then when they go up in smoke, the fumes are poisoning the atmosphere and water run off from the Fire Department poisons lakes and rivers which flow into the sea , destroying eco systems and killing fish and all other wildlife...
Some will get into the Water Table and Contaminate drinking water which will poison you.....
Now , has anyone got a sensible argument against the facts I've stated !!!!!
Well there isn't one.
It's only Big Business that makes so much money driving this forward.
They don't care about you, just your money 💰🤑
Yep - and why I am SO against them, and especially my taxes to subsidise them!
That is not fair! They want to eliminate individual ownership of cars. And everything else for that matter.
Handling these batteries should be handled like explosives or Fire works. Keep batches separated in small out building like a magazine. Large isolated property with large distance to neighbors. A water source sufficient to handle an incident with prevailing winds in mind. Old rock quarry or mining sites ect. That company that made the odor for Natural gas outside of Las Vegas, out away from everything was definitely a good example.
I really feel like the fire departments near the new battery facility near Flatrock are NOT ready for the cost to prepare "properly" for that facility when it goes up! And they better DAMN sure not pass the cost of that to our taxes!!!
They will. No subsidies. A handful will get grants. It’s part of the lie that EVs are better in every way.
Great insight into this crazy fire......
Wow, wow & wow!
I am TOTALLY impressed!
I takes me hat off to the Fire Chief
Who thought it through & came up with a novel solution 👍
Patrick - do you know if there will be any long-term health monitoring for the firefighters in this incident?
Batteries are in everything. Round type batteries. Pushed out without a good plan to recycle or store.
At first I thought stop trying to tell people what to buy. Let EVs thrive on their own merit. You want an EV, fine, no problem. But now I think they are just an absolute menace. Just ban them outright. How many roads need to be shut down for days? How many parking garages are in danger from their fires? There is no good reason to keep making these cars. We don't need them.
re:"There is no good reason to keep making these cars..." and therein lies the rub, if/when you put this question to EV advocates of WHY we should keep making these cars...? they will quickly supply you with the answer that the "good reason" is because they're SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT, or some variation on this theme. okay see the Psychology 101 textbook entry then for RATIONALIZATION...
no what's actually happening is, they are simply REPEATING THE LEON HUSK LIE that they've bought into, that's told them that the negative effects of Climate Change can be "magically mitigated" by them engaging in the EXACT SAME CONSUMER BEHAVIOR of continuing to be "addicted" to Technology and Industrialization, which is literally what's created the problem in the first damn place...
that's right the PARADOX is staring them in the face, so an additional problem exists in that most brains on Planet Earth simply LACK the maturity and Cognitive Development to confront and properly deal with PARADOX. believe me i'm not saying dealing with it is "easy" or anything because it isn't, but as we know (well some of us anyway) these are the responsibilities that comes with being an adult, living in a society made up of other adults. # ADULTING IS HARD
Someone is making a lot of money so this regratbly won't stop 😞.
It is funny they also put cement on Chernobyl, literal radioactive waste.
Very interesting. I am thinking about bulk cement delivery trucks in out area
Thank you for talking about this
Wow so cool
Portland Cement powder
Thank you for fighting this fire
I hope all your people are safe and ok
WHEN THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS LITHIUM ,,,,,,, GET TO THE CHOPPER
Thank you for washing the playgrounds ❤bless you
Very useful feedback.
Even when the fire is out and the windows of the properties are shut, what residue is still around? More to the point what will this toxic stuff do to people in the long term?
Lithium is a salt and when it contacts water explosion ensues.
28 DAYS LOL , THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPENED WITH DIESEL 28 MINUTES THEN ITS OUT
28 Days Later With A Battery Fire sounds like a spin off movie. 😅
Strangely, nobody needs to store thousands of gallons of used diesel.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC and used engine oil is easy to dispose of. Just dig a hole and put it back int he ground. Or if you have a river near by, out to sea.
@@BramBiesiekierski IGNORE PSUQ HE JUST A NEW WORLD ORDER SHILL PAID OR SADLY DOES IT FOR FREE TO TROLL ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS AGAINST THERE AGENDA
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
LOL USED DIESEL WOULD BE GONE , THIS HOW STUPID THESE NEW WORLD ORDER LEFTIES ARE
Great work!
The bigger the lithium ion battery, the bigger the problem to dispose of it in a eco-friendly way.
Kinda looks like Chernoble.
Thank God Western Goverment's chose to force EV's and safe and effective jabs!!! Those farting cows cause global warming..😢
True… we are insane
And methane is broken down in the atmosphere after 12-13 years so as long as you don't add more cows then you aren't worsening things.
Besides, creating wetlands projects (think rewilding) emits methane.
@@vendomnu how long for farting elephants, rhimos, grizzlies, elk, moose? What happens if we drink the Kool-Aid?
🙏
@@DoubtingThomas-mx8sl
Your response really doesn't make sense unless you completely misunderstood my post.
@@vendomnu you are correct, I don't understand your logic. Who cares about 12-13 years? Where did you find that nonsense? How many years for farting elephants 27-29 years? Are horses 16-18 years? Please learn me!
Great video as always.
I appreciate that
@StacheDTraining I'm a retired volunteer firefighter here in Baltimore county MD. Because of your videos I'm going to try and put together a series of trainings on the videos that I've saved.
Image the intended future when hundreds of EVs are jammed up in a tunnel.
I live in Morris.
A recent Lithium batteries fire in Missouri,
The firefighting water runoff,
Cause a serious environmental Hazzard,
Making ground water toxic and killing fish and wildlife.
ruclips.net/video/2Bas81OsV9Y/видео.html
what happended to the 20 tons of ready mix cement when it rained or water got introduced to the area?
Yes why is it as a society it is now ok to dive headfirst into things like new batteries and new medicine without thorough prechecks? We are going to end up losing more than we help if we stay this course.
Knee jerk decisions, carbon footprint nonsense, made by politicians and pushed by legacy media. most all lies and results in just plain money laundering. Electric battery tech is a good thing . Battery tech is not up to safety standard yet. As time goes on it will replace much.
Baksheesh,
American-Style
Q: why is it as a society it is now ok to dive headfirst into things like new batteries and new medicine without thorough prechecks? A: GREED. like the old commercial used to say "It's what's for breakfast..."
IT TAKEN A CALENDER MONTH TO PUT OUT
I’m waiting for the video on how to store and ship lithium batteries.
I’m just wondering why you’d put that much stock of a known volatile material that close together. Firewalls are common in townhouses to prevent fire in one unit moving over to an adjacent unit. Block filled with cement.
Easy. That guy was getting paid to dispose of batteries. The rent on a decrepit facility like that is comparitvely low. Meaning he can profit by just storing the batteries.
A simple regulation would solve many problems caused by Li-ion batteries: "The manufacturer of the device or the battery shall take care of utilization and recycling of that device or battery".
Old and damaged BEVs should go not to junk yard, but back to the manufacturer that produced those cars so they can utilize and recycle their products and the batteries
Suspicious Chinese-owned business like the illegal medical lab in Reedley, California.
A law needs to be made
All battery holding places need to be recorded at fire station computers .
Is anybody doing testing on shipping DDR in overpack drums of cement, sand, or other dry material?
It kind of makes sense. Allows the pressure to vent when needed then is self-sealing. Non-combustible material with excellent thermal insulating properties. It will not stop the fire or thermal run-a-ways but will not aid in the spreading of the fire and limits the radiant heat to the next pile or drum of batteries.
May also need to look at self-venting steel drums to prevent explosions and causing the drums to go flying into other things.
Highly doubt this approach would work on EV batteries since there is just too much energy in a steel case.
It’s in “cold storage” lmfao!
We call this a dump
We're seeing the end of life plan for Li battery packs in the real world.
the most dangerous manufactured product; outside of ammunition; is an EV battery.
flourine... it is in everything, just like these wonderful batteries
They want me to believe EVs are eco friendly. Come on.
😮28 Days😮 SO MUCH FOR GOVERNMENTS AROUND WORLD HEALTH AND SAFETY THEY🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Batteries not only consume a whole new layer of resources. but they are unnecessary for oil, coal, natural gas and nuclear.
So green…so good for the environment
Twenty-eight days!
I think it needs to emphasized that this was a small town. Corporations have targeted small towns repeatedly because with small towns comes small town hospitality and cheaper bribes/payoffs.
I wonder if these batteries were considered recycled or not according to the documents. Most likely, only a few battery recycling plants that accept lithium batteries have the capability to recycle such batteries. The rest simply rent cheap warehouses and are hoarding batteries there.
Shady things going on in Illinois. Shocker😂😂😂
I did not hear any mention of EV batteries being involved in the fire. It they were and I missed it let me know the time stamp.
Lithium ion batteries are the same basic chemistry.
This channel focuses on battery fires. Nothing in particular to do with electric cars.
These electric cars are anything but safe.
Water would only exhacerbate batteries on fire. Batteries respond to moisture and not in a good way. Fireman needs education on that.
Don't worry just charge everyone some more money to offset the emissions released so they will magicaly become harmless 😂
Great discussion. Agenda 2030 must move forward. You vill eat zee bugs and be happy.
But first, ze fires!
armchair quarterback here, pour salt on lithium battery fire!!!!
the stuff you learn on yt right?
28 days of earth pollution 2021 😮😢
But but but these weren't EV batteries! Sure. This time.
Super fascinating. When is someone going to investigate the use of liquid nitrogen as a method of extinguishing Li ion battery fires?
Q: When is someone going to investigate the use of liquid nitrogen as a method of extinguishing Li ion battery fires? A: it's being done actually. i heard it discussed at a seminar on Li-Ion Battery Safety 2 years ago, by a little known research institute that works with the US Navy (ref: Submarine Warfare) and who knows how long the research has been happening before it came to MY attention...? now the fact that i mentioned "Subs" (ie, the Boats not the Sandwich) will be your FIRST CLUE as to why you've never heard about it...
but really that's neither here nor there, because regardless of what remedy the mind of Man "concocts", as i've said many times before (and i keep being proven right on this) the Universe has NO INTENTION of letting Humanity off the hook "easily" for all the mistakes it keeps making in the way it mis-handles the environment. okay see entry for LEIDENFROST EFFECT...
now as Fire Fighters (and Chemists) will tell you, as "unsexy" an "un-exotic" as it may be, plain old H2O is still the "heavy weight champ" in terms of cooling and heat absorption when fighting Li-Ion Battery Fires. this means LN2 (symbol for Liquid Nitrogen) is actually not the "panacea" consumers and laymen to Chemistry think it is. trust me i LOVE the Terminator 2 movie as much as anyone, but the scene where the T1000 becomes "frozen" off being exposed to LN2 (particularly when starting with a superheated object) is unfortunately a little more complicated in reality than the way Cameron depicts it in the film...
also see entry for TEMPERATURE DIFFERENTIAL. see further entry for SUBLIMATION.
Well I thought the government said they could be recycled so why isn't the government recycling them😮
they are. georgia guidestone style... now elon wants trump to sign off on his implant chips...
airblown cement. genius. maybe a more specific chemical can be developed before adopting Lipo batteries tech. that would be logical