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No, dude, mythical pokemon is a completely separate group from legendaries. They have different BST, different catch rate, but the most important thing is distribution method in the debut generation. The only things in common between that is that they are kinda rare and they are generally unable to breed, which the latter really being just another wording for the former. The trick is that some amount, but not necessarilly all boxes of what we usually associate with mythical pokemon should be checked.
@@Minimeepj a reply to that nonsense Lockstin said in the video about mythicals being legendary. It would make 0 sense even if Shigeru Ohmori himself confirsms that was the original intent. If you mean technically, than I copied the text and made both an individual comment and a reply here. Do it all the time😈
Pecharunt's story event is still connected to an item you get through mystery gift. If you don't get that mystery gift, you can't get your own pecharunt, so you still need to go outside of normal means to get it, even if this is by far the most accessible.
Yeah, I think he must have just... not remembered that you needed a mystery gift to go through Pecharunt's storyline. Even though it's part of the storyline and major characters show up during it, you could say the same about catching Shaymin in gen 4. When Nintendo Switch Online shuts down, nobody will be able to get Pecharunt anymore, it is a time-sensitive mythical distribution, even if the distribution window remains very open.
@@adampozzobon5193 yep. 10 years from now there will be kids waiting for a way to get a pecharunt to finish their national dex in whatever pokemon storage they're gonna have (I assume home still since that's tied to a mobile app and uses cloud storage but you never know). And that unavailability is why the distinction matters, and why mythicals are blanket banned in official competitive. If a meta shift revolved around a pokemon some people didn't have access to that would be inherently unfair.
3:59 Actually, that Mythical Pokémon artwork was made for a special event (which would distribute Mythical Pokémon monthly, one month for each Mythical) to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Pokémon... which was in 2016, which was at the tail end of Gen 6, NOT Gen 5. Outside of the fact that there would be enough Mythicals to distribute over the 12 months, Deoxys was absent because one could just play ORAS to get it, and the Gen 6 Mythicals were absent because Gen 6 was the newest generation at the time, so they were far to recent to distribute them. Volcanion was like, just officially announced at the time.
Exactly why would they take a month’s worth of waiting with a phione filling in a space, people will just skip it cause they know manaphy will give you one. It wouldnt make sense. Manaphy is like nincada with getting 2 in 1. And with not many people knowing of deoxys, it’s an alien… hardly anyone knows about it.
1:17 If anyone's confused, Arcanine's _classification_ is to blame. Dusknoir is the Gripper Pokémon, Pikachu is the Mouse Pokémon and, get this, Arcanine is the _Legendary Pokémon._ I believe this was from before the term "legendary" quite caught on. I can already imagine the Pokédex going off in my head: "Rototo~ Arcanine. The Legendary Pokémon. An ancient picture scroll shows that people were captivated by its movement as it ran through prairies."
Actually, an interview with the devs revealed that shrine’s association with celebi was a fan theory they liked and decided to adapt into Crystal Version. The devs themselves admitted that they themselves actually don’t remember the real reason for Illex Shrine.
Hasn't the leaked Celebi lore kinda debunked their claim? Unless that was made later, but Celebi was still in the game's code before Crystal. I think the shrine was made from leftover tiles for the traditional Japanese buildings
After the popularity of Mew there was bound to be a mythical mon in Gold and Silver... Maybe it was just the idea of linking it to Ilex Shrine that came later.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 the connection to illex shrine came after Silver and Gold’s release, but yeah, Celebi was already an idea way before according to the leaks
8:23 Question about your point on Celebi: DO all the locals know about Celebi? I don’t remember the shrine having any text about Celebi on it, I remember just that it’s for the “forests protector”. I looked up what Kurt says too, he mentions the GS Ball has a “strange presence” but seemingly doesn’t mention Celebi by name either. So while the shrine is of course for Celebi, I think that the current inhabitants of Azalea Town don’t remember what the shrine is for, so it would still fall in your in universe explanation still
Exactly. Plus, the shrine was originally added to Gold and Silver because of reasons that even the developers can't recall. Its association with Celebi came later through fan speculation, hence why the Celebi event takes place there in Crystal.
7:56 I wonder if Dragonite's shiny colors where made to reference this? The only dragon (line) in Kanto, the hardest one to obtain, and you would have to spend hours to obtain one!
You got some info wrong. The art used at 3:52 was released in 2016 for Pokemon 20th anniversary im pretty sure, which was during the late days of Generation 6, so that's why Deoxys isn't excluded. Plus Pecharunt is still only obtainable via an item via mystery same as all the other Mythical of the past, but the event has no end date. I think you knew that tho and just didn't want to explain all that, which is fair.
Pecharunt is still an event pokemon. You have to get an item through Mystery Gift to unlock the post-post-post-game story. Now, Game Freak did say the event would be available forever (with the caveat of Nintendo eventually discontinuing Switch online services) but the duration of the event to receive a mystery gift was never a feature used to define a mythic pokemon.
The way I see it is Legendries are part of the main game and effect the plot or can you catch them and legends can be real, mythicals are pokemon you COULD get for you game, BUT if you miss the event they may as well not be real at all, like how myths are typically considered fabricated or stories.
That doesn't work for gen 1 where the legendary birds are entirely optional and not connected to the main story at all. You can get all the way to Mewtwo without having caught them.
@@techguypaulthough when you interact with the world and npcs. They are all mentioned. Gen1s thing was 'kid goes on his own adventure', rocket were a thing along the way in it. So a kid meeting people who talk about the world around them kinda was the storyline. Then, say Zapdos. Someone mentions the issues at the plant. Articuno a dude tells you about the seafoam islands and shows you can even see it sometimes through the binoculars. The Method may be different in how they tell the story in Gen1. But it is there and is told.
@@SnailShoes like I said, that's not at all the same as how legendaries worked after gen 1 (aside from Lugia). The story in gen 1 does not require you to encounter the legendary birds to continue on in the main story. Those NPCs/dialogue are easily missed and don't hinder completion of the main story at all. The power plant is entirely skippable in a playthrough (the machine part thing is gen 2 and zapdos isn't there anymore). Unlike say gen 4 where you have to go to Spear Pillar to defeat Cyrus and Palkia/Dialga to finish the main story.
@@techguypaul well no what I mean is, you CAN catch the birds at any time and any new save file, but back then Mew was unattainable through normal means so it may as well have been a myth if you can't get it at all, hence mythical. Legendary can also refer to it's strength status and extreme or even single species rarity.
I never considered the similarity of Diancie and Manaphy before. I'm so focused on seeing Manaphy as the default. And for some reason, it could produce offspring that are these weird things that are almost like Manaphy but weaker. I never considered a perspective where Phione is the default. And Manaphy just so happens to be a super special awesome unexplained individual, kinda like how Diancie is to Carbink. It's difficult to see Phione as the default because through normal gameplay, you will always see Manaphy first, then you can only see Phione after breeding. Compare that to Carbink, who you'd meet through normal gameplay, then Diancie comes along later on through an event distribution. Diancie feels special because you can get it after you're already familiar with Carbink. Phione feels like a tacked on afterthought because you can get it after getting the actual special pokémon that is Manaphy.
You didn't see it because the concept has a different approach. Carbink is a common species. One individual could evolve randomly into Diancie but this event can't be replicated. That's the reason there is no in-game mechanic related to this case. Also Diancie role is like a princess among peasants. Meanwhile Manaphy is already the Prince of the Sea but there is no common species associated to them. So what they do is actually breed a weaker variant of themselves to roleplay as their own exclusive servants. This lesser species are called Phione. They can't evolve into their stronger form species unlike the Carbink, they are going to be weak their whole lives with no chance of evolving ever. Of course Pokemon isn't going to showcase some short of slavery nor I would say Manaphy is a tyrant. And related to the video, in universe a bunch of mythical species are most likely endangered like Zarude or lack a fixed habitat like Zeraora, plus they have an unique skill or trait highly valuable in the black market.
Manaphy are born on cold sea floors, and Phione are born in warm seas. So, Phione are probably seen more often due to them not living on the sea floors. And maybe that’s why you get a Phione from breeding, because it wasn’t bred on a cold sea floor
By sea floor it doesn't mean any sea floor, so Manaphy most likely are born adapted to the cold environments of deep sea floors, not necessarily abyssal depths tho
To me the rule was always “was it only available through an event?” If yes, Mythical. Some Mythicals have since broken that rule, some have expanded the criteria, and some have left the requirements behind altogether. Some were gifts the player could receive for having purchased and played other game on the Switch, some were obtainable only by purchasing DLC, some were Home achievement awards, and some are simply made permanently available within a singular purchase. Nowadays the criterial is simply “Is/Was Event Exclusive or DLC mascot, and Meltan.”
@@LuminusNovait’s not wrong you even admitted it. “Before they changed it” they obviously wasn’t talking about a bug that has been fixed for over a decade
4:41 pecharunt is only avalible through an item you get by mystery gift, though the distribution will last until either sv are no longer the newest mainline games, or until the switch doesn't have servers anymore P.S. more or less the same story for magearna, it needs a qr code, though that will still work for almost forever
I always thought in universe, legendaries were things most people knew about, while most mythical’s are not as known and or not really considered real. You're less likely to even see a mythical Pokémon unless you’re a protagonist.
The difference between mythicals and legendaries has always being a thing in Japan since the beginning. The localization just messed up this in the earlier gens and didn't made the difference which led to the whole confusion about it but it was corrected from the gen 5 soft reboot and onward. In places like the dynamax adventures, you can only find those pokemon that are actual legendaries and you can clearly tell that there's not even one mythical among them. And the same goes for Scarlet and Violet. Basically, their classification goes like this: Legendaries: They're literal forces of nature (like groudon, kyogre, yveltal, dialga, palkia, etc) that helped to shape/sustain the world as it is and/or heroes for humanity/pokemon/the entire region (like zacian, zamazenta, the tapus, the swords of justice, etc). Mythical pokemon: They are not legendaries. They're really powerful pokemon with unique abilities that are so uncommon to be seen that people in the pokemon world even doubts of their existence to some extend. Their primary trait is that they're literal representations of certain myths from the real world (muses like meloetta, aliens like deoxys, time travelers like celebi, etc). And they can be either multiple of them or unique (depending on their inspirations) Ultra beast: They're basically pokemon from another dimension. Not legendaries. They share a lot of traits with legendaries (like being genderless, having scripted encounters and being part of the undiscovered group, etc) but this is due to their whole concept as extradimensional unidentified creatures.There was even a quizz in the official pokemon website that confirms that they aren't legendaries. However, there are three ultrabeast that are legendaries in their world and in the pokemon world: solgaleo (the literal representation of the sun), lunala (the literal representation of the moon) and necrozma (the literal representation of a black hole in its normal form and a super nova in its true form). Paradox pokemon: They're essentially just convergent evolutions taken from their respective eras (the very distant past/the very distant future). And that despite their similarities aren't related to the pokemon they resemble. However, there are two paradox pokemon that are legendaries (Koraidon and Miraidon). You may be thinking: But what about Arceus? Arceus falls in line with the mythical pokemon. Being a representation of the theories about the origin of the universe, being seen only a few times in the entire history of the world and not being associated with a specific force of nature. It's actually one of the reasons Silvally is a legendary instead as well. Sivally was based on what people knew about Arceus in stories (a powerful pokemon able to change to any other type) but unlike Arceus, Silvally was specifically made to be a hero for the entire Alola region (to protect the region from the threat of the ultra beast). Which is what makes it a legendary pokemon. Basically, mythicals aren't legendaries or "sub-legendaries" or anything like that. And the classification from the source code and game files isn't a reliable source for information at all because there's no such thing as "sub-legendaries", that's a fan term that has never been acknowledged by the pokemon company at all. Heck, the source code for SwSh also says that there's mega stones in the game and that's clearly not the case. So it's definitely not a reliable source. And this way, it's left very clear what counts as a legendary and what doesn't.
Added information: Paradox pokemon r actually taken from parallel universes, which is why they look similar to the main world despite not being related. I also have a theory that the Galarian Birds r actually paradox pokemon, but bc no one coined the term at the time, they were just seen as regional variants.
6:53 The way I see the Phione confusion is that, because it’s born from an egg, and is new to the world, it can’t possibly be a legend because it hasn’t lived or existed long enough for a legend to be established about it
2:09 That’s gen 6 art with the mythicals and it’s also missing Deoxys and the Kalos mythicals. It was for 2016’s “Year of Mythical Pokémon” They were also showing just examples of Pokémon that were only available through events and Phione is available through breeding
Personal definition: a mythical Pokemon is a Pokemon that requires something from outside the game in order to acquire it legitimately in the first main series game it can be acquired from. DLC doesn't count, but Pecharunt requires an internet connection in addition to the DLC to get the item for it from Mystery Gift, and the fact that Mystery Gift doesn't work without an internet connection satisfies the definition. Same goes for Magearna, requiring an internet connection satisfies the definition.
Magearna doesn't need an internet connection. You just need to scan one of three QR codes (depending on your region). I still think it qualifies by your definition though.
@@sunshowers3838 DLC doesn't count because of the number of mundane Pokemon they add which aren't limited like mythicals are. And also because I say it doesn't count.
I know this isn't always how it works in the games, but the distinction I have always been most interested in is the one between Pokémon that are responsible for the creation of the world or hold some dominion over it, and Pokémon who are just very powerful and very rare, possibly one of a kind.
In the recent leaks there is a document back from Alola's development that kinda talks about Legendaries and Mythicals. In this document it lists Phione as a semi-mythical and that they should never say it publicly and to avoid talking about this due to how confusing it is
I have a weird obsession with Venn Diagrams (mostly because of how many situations they can be used in), and I've been using them to explain the difference between mythicals and legendaries for a long time, so seeing you pull one out in the first minute of the video was quite the treat for me
1:22 my theory was that Arcanine was supposed to be a Guardian Pokémon to the legendary Birds but the idea was scrapped in the story after the illustrations were already made. It’s just what gives me peace so I’m not constantly thinking about it however.
Pre Gen 9, I came up with a definition that encompasses all mythicals and excludes all non-mythicals. A mythical was any Pokémon that is impossible to obtain legitimately within any core series games during said Pokémon’s debut generation without the use of external events/software/equipment. Then Walking Wake and Iron Leaves came along just to mess with me.
Magearna in Ultra Sun and Moon needed an event, so it still counts. And Pecharunt came with a mystery gift that gave you an item to start its episode, just like the gen3-5 mythicals.
Ive always seen it like legendaries are major deities while mythicals are minor deities kind of like if dialga is Chronos, then celebi is Aeternitas. but that kinda has some outliers, like cresselia, she's definitely not a major deity, but arceus is THE deity, so..
I like lockstins definition better Mythical are deitys that are simply those who's existence can't be verified properly kinda like ghost or dragons in our world.
A Mythical Pokemon is simply any Pokemon that was originally only obtainable via an event distribution. Pecharunt technically counts because it was initially inaccessible even to those who bought The Indigo Disk DLC, but was later made available via an indefinite event distribution. Meltan / Melmetal also works, because Meltan were originally obtainable via a limited time event in Pokemon GO, _before_ they were obtainable in the Let's Go games. Even Phione fits this description, because while you do get it from breeding, the only Pokemon that can produce a Phione egg is Manaphy, a Mythical Pokemon, which could originally only be obtained via an event in Gen IV, so Phione could also only be obtained via that same event. It could be argued that Phione is not the exact Pokemon provided by the event, which is why it may not count, but I think a case can be made for it. As long as a Pokemon can only be obtained in the first game it appears in via some kind of event distribution, it's Mythical. That's literally all it is.
If we use the first definition, both getting it and evolving it requires specific conditions. Also, the way it was introduced. If it's not mythical, I'm not sure who is tbh
If you’re willing to include “Pokemon you can’t get without assistance from outside the main game” under the designation of mythical, several of the examples you provide could still count. (Beyond just Pecharunt as people have pointed out) - Manaphy in LA has the means to obtain it hidden in Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl. Phionr requires catching Manaphy, thus is locked the same way. - Darkrai in LA requires a BDSP savefile to access. - Shaymin in LA requires a SWSH savefile. - Magearna in both SuMo games requires a QR code, not unlike normal codes for past mythicals. Celebi is kind of iffy, as the virtual console version just comes with the event built into the game. Arceus, meanwhile, is obtainable in normal gameplay and doesn’t require any outside help (especially as it requires none of the previously mentioned Pokemon from LA) Thus, you could argue it is no longer mythical. Which, considering the nature of Arceus as merely a piece of the true god, makes a bit of sense.
I consider instances like Deoxys becoming catchable as a promotion to Legendary. Mythic promotes to Legend. In universe labeling works too as Deoxys was basically newly discovered and as shown in Pokémon Generations was even covered up by Mossdeep Space Center.
My own head cannon is that most mythicals have multiple of a species or are essentially demigods of the Pokemon world. Being offspring or being created by legendaries blessed by Arceus. But this video does a good job at explaining the in world reasoning for why humans would label them as one or the other
But then again The god himself is a mythical and the ancestors of all pokemons is also a mythical.keep in mind mew contain dna of even the legendary Pokemons and transform different legendary at the same time.
Meltan/Melmetal are where things get weird. They aren't tied to a specific region and Pokemon GO doesn't even really treat them as mythical. Plus you can easily obtain more of them with the Mystery Box. Yet they are called mythical.
Mythicals that are currently constantly available (as long as you have the games/hardware/software required to obtain/transfer/own them): Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Manaphy, Phione, Shaymin, Darkrai, Arceus, Keldeo, Meloetta, Magearna (including Original form), Meltan, Melmetal (including Gmax form), Pecharunt. Currently constantly available as shiny pokemon: Meloetta Currently constantly available to shiny hunt: Celebi, Arceus. Occasionally available to shiny hunt: Meltan, Melmetal Currently unavailable: Genesect, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Marshadow, Zeraora, Zarude (including Dada form). Shiny Locked Mythicals: Keldeo, Hoopa, Volcanion, Magearna (including Original form), Gmax Melmetal, Zarude (including Dada form), Pecharunt. I wish for a day, when every mythical is legitimately obtainable and available to shiny hunt, constantly. Maybe someday.
I just always seen Mythicals as Demigods or in Pokemon terms a Demilegendary. They're strong and powerful like a Legendary but are relatively new, and not as strong as their Legendary Elders. They've yet to ascend to legendary status and earn their power and strength. New gods so to speak, having to be trained by the already existing Legendaries.
I think in terms of lore, it would be the opposite (disregarding base stats). Arceus is a mythical and is the literal god of the Pokémon world. Mew is the original that contains the DNA of all Pokémon, while Mewtwo is a "lesser" copy. Mythicals are more powerful in terms of lore, but less powerful in terms of gameplay and stats. Legendaries are more powerful in terms of gameplay and stats, but less so in terms of lore.
2:09 I disagree with this. Deoxys wasn’t part of this art and it was still counted as a mythical Pokemon. I feel Phione also wasn’t included as this was to promote getting a new mythical each month. They wouldn’t have one month you get Phione and one month Manaphy as Manaphy would basically give you both.
I view Legendaries in the Pokémon world as their version of ancient or local Gods that had people worship or fear them because they were involved in massive events in the past and physical evidence being structures or statues focused on them. While mythicals are the fairy tales or cryptids of the Pokémon world. where you will here a story about it a wish granting pokemon or a Pokemon that stalks people at night and gives them nightmares. But any evidence of their existence it’s so little it can barely be studied, or doesn’t matter. like Pecharunt and it’s mythical pecha berry sure it means alot to Pecharunt, but it’s just a really good berry thats not one of a kind and doesn’t do much, plus Pecharunt can’t even create it so who would study it.
“What is a Mythical Pokémon?” -Me: “The Pink Butterfree, the Crystal Onix, Notched-eared Pichu, The Pinkan Pokemon” …yeah, they’re technologically not but gosh I miss them.
lockstin: there is a distinction and that distinction is important also lockstin: it's all fun and theres no universal definition honestly a lot of terms in pokemon are like a reverse true scotsman paradoz. it used to mean something, but as ede cases were introduced they had to broaden the definition more and more to the point where it's impossiblle to reconcile what was/wasn't x back then with the much broader definition we use now. what kind of pokemon/game is "x" is more baed on colloquial vibes than semantic definitions
Actually, they *don't* - and in fact, Ultra Beasts, which *used* to be classified as legendaries, are no longer so, as of the same game that introduced the Paradoxes. Probably because they decided that if they were gonna keep adding these new plot-important groups of maybe-Pokemon, they shouldn't be always legendaries.
Mythical: original event only Pokemon But I do like how more mythicals are becoming “non-event exclusive” Mew and Jirachi from BDSP All gen 4 mythicals in Legends Arceus Meloetta in SV DLC Keldeo in SwSh DLC Even Deoxys in ORAS and Magearna in USUM
I'd say mythicals are a pokémon that get very few sightings every year and are very poorly understood. While a lot of mythicals we know what their range is, it's considered an event to see them and they're often only seen by individuals. While legendaries Don't typically hide are very well known to the people. And are often spotted. By many people. Lugia from that movie from the power of one movie comes to mind. Also, entei from that one movie where Pikachu talked. Hundreds of potential trainers were alerted to those Pokemon's locations and tried to catch them. With the only potential wrinkle being Mewtwo in the lore, mewtwo isn't really spotted that often. But that can easily be made up for by the fact. That's location is sometimes known. It's a pokémon made by humans so humans know a lot about it. I would say mythicals are best described as legendaries so uncommon that they are thought to be a myth. Making it make even more sense why they might not even be allowed in formats that legendaries are allowed in. Due to the fact that a lot of the pokémon world might not even know that they exist. Actually it would be really fun. To have a mythical that is just not real. Or not real in the traditional sense. It's something else, but not what's described in the Pokedex. It's specifically noted doesn't exist in game with you having to do research on it. To actually add it to your Pokedex replacing the fake mythical. Adding a reason for there to be a difference. And a rather interesting one at that. As there is active debate on whether or not a majority of mythicals are even real.
To me, the only reason the term "mythical Pokémon" even exists is because it is marketable for the Pokémon Company. I will always refer to them as Legendary.
I will say though that Pecharunt is still from an event. It is the Mythical Pecha Berry item that was distributed back in January and not actually automatically included with the dlc as players still had to use the mystery gift feature to get it. And Magearna isn’t “just there”. It’s locked behind a QR code that while still available, it requires players to use an outside source.
I remember some people in Spanish sites used to refer to Pokémon like Articuno, Entei, Registeel, etc. as Legendary Pokémon, while Mewtwo, Lugia, Groudon, etc. (basically cover Legendaries) were called Super Legendary Pokémon. Mythical Pokémon were just called Event Pokémon.
Whenever i organize my collection of Pokemon in each game I usually just put a Legendary/Mythical tag on their boxes. It’s just easier. I only wish Pokemon Company would add a few more boxes so I could do more such as egg hatching. Almost all of my boxes are full after both DLCs in scarlet and violet
The entire concept of mythical Pokémon has always been pretty confusing, but I typically classify them as Pokémon usually only available through events, as bonuses for having other games or peripherals, or as bonuses for getting DLC. There are certainly exceptions, but most of them were at least exclusive to some sort of event or additional purchase for a few years after they were originally released. Deoxys in ORAS was years after Gen 3, same with Celebi in Crystal VC, Arceus in PLA, etc. You could argue Magearna doesn't fit into this specification because it was easily obtainable in Sun and Moon, but I'd argue that since you need to scan a QR code to get one, they were assuming people wouldn't screenshot it and send it around to other people. It was probably intended to be limited time, as in the QR code was only to be available by official means for a limited time, but it ended up persisting. As for the Meltan line, I think the idea is that they are Pokémon that don't exist in any region except for in Pokémon Go, so there's at least some sort of specialness there? As for Phione, I would argue it's a mythical Pokémon considering you need to have a Manaphy or another Phione to get it, and it's typically treated like a mythical Pokémon these days. Argue about it all you want. Jeez, it really is difficult to classify these. I think the closest thing that comes to some sort of criteria I can suggest is they only show up very occasionally, either in game or at events. With pretty much every regular legendary, there's usually a way to get them somehow in every generation since ORAS, but mythicals tend to appear much more sparingly. You could bring up the Meltan/Phione argument but it's really the closest I have to something at least somewhat concrete.
It should be noted that for Celebi, they just know there is a guardian BECAUSE of the area, and don't even know exactly about Celebi's existence, just that there was a special legend in that area....
I always thought the different between mythical and legendary is powers you got the big major pokemon as legendary like as examples gods of time and space or just god Then the mythical is the still powerful but the powers are less useful or impactful like celebi or just pokemon that are strong but don't really have a purpose or role like deoxy
I miss catching mythicals from event items. Going to Libery Island to find Victini in Black/White, and then bringing them back in Black2/White2 to see his special scene was so nice.
I'll be honest, I think genuinely what defines the difference between mythical and legendary at this point, is whether they're allowed in competitive VGC. Which. Isn't a very fun or lore based way to think about it, but even in the least restricted rule sets like the semi recent Reg G you weren't allowed pokemon like pecherunt or darkrai (idk on darkrai actually but its fine dwai), not because they aren't in the game but because they're considered mythical and also game breaking with stuff like darkrai's dark void. But also I really enjoy your explination of "It's because people don't know them." Celebi still counts I think there actually too, because yeah sure its shrine IS there but the locals don't actually talk about it and it's kind of technically in an out of the way spot in a forest and the shrine isn't some bustling spot. Its just an old shrine in a forest that probably only a few people in town remember if that. So. It still counts for being "not well known", cause not well known doesn't mean *no one* knows it, just that the number is small and people arent usually worshipping it in large numbers.
lore wise i think that if people have legends on them a story who's origin at least did knowingly happen its a legendary but if it has myths about it, a story that is not confirmed to be true of its existence and is more of a bedtime story its a mythical
People on the internet keep telling me that mythicals are pokemon only obtainable through limited-time events, which singlehandedly proves no one on the internet knows how to obtain Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
Modern Mythical is status is determined by internal catagories, there are regular pokemon, Sub-Legendaries like the Birds, Beasts, Ogerpon, Restricted Legendaries like Box Art Legendaries, Ultra Beasts and Paradox Pokemon. Ultra Beasts were originally categorized as Sub-Legendaries until updated relatively recently in Scarlet and Violet.
I would say that Mythicals are linked to special events as every Mythical has been linked to either giveaways or DLC, they are extras that are locked away either in the base game (like Arceus in the original Diamond and Pearl) and must be unlocked with an event or are added in later like Pecharunt. Lorewise you can say that that Mythicals show up when they are needed, like most of the Mythicals in the Pokemon movies. Legendaries aren't locked behind events or added in later (the loyal three being the exception), they are there and can be captured are almost any time or after you beat the game, lorewise you can say they are there in the region but are just incredibly rare
Pecharunt is special because you need to use mystery gift to get the special berry in order to get it, not because it's exclusive to DLC. Besides the loyal three, nine more legendaries are locked behind DLC (Kubfu, Urshifu, Regieleki, Regidrago, Calyrex, Glastrier, Spectrier, Ogerpon, Terapagos), more if you count Galarian forms of the birds, plus there's also totally normal Pokémon locked behind DLC (Dipplin, Hydrapple, Poltchageist, Sinistcha, Archaludon)
I don't think that would exclude Darkrai and Shaymin because you can only unlock them with save data from completely different games like with Manaphy (but more repeatable) 4:47 actually it's not, you need an item not available in game that they distributed over Wi-Fi to trigger the epilogue like old-school mythicals if you didn't download it the event won't trigger even with the dlc
There’s a small caveat with PLA, you had to purchase and play SwSh and BDSP to obtain the quests for Darkrai and Shaymin, similar to the Mew and Jirachi in BDSP
I wouldn’t classify Legendaries between who is and isn’t on a box. Instead there is a much clearer distinction between restricted and non restricted legendaries. It is what separates mone like Calerex and Teratopogos from Urshifu and Ogerpon.
8:00 "Green Dragon" does exactly tells us were this idea originated: Final Fantasy III. Well, Final Fantasy I have WARMECH, and FFII has the Iron Giant, but same idea They're insanely rare monsters that are way stronger than everyone else and (possibly) drop some amazing loot when defeated. You can see this idea in early Gen 1 Build were Legendaries are 1% encounters in the Final Dungeon instead of static encounters. (Chansey counts too, now that I think of it. It's extremely rare, and gives the most Exp when defeated)
I never really liked the Mythical designation because previously as of Gen 4 this was Event-Exclusive Legendary, and people are confused what counts. Phione? Deoxys in ORAS? Meltan and Melmetal? I think Shiny was a perfect keyword to adopt, but Mythical is tied to something more complex and nuanced than need be when Legendary is broad enough to include everything in Mythical.
When I think of legendary I think of like the Greek pantheon and the mythicals are more like demigods or children of the gods. So manaphy would be the god and phione is just like a descendant of a god
@@jkaihaywood5233 Then you flipped it around. You probably used Lockstin’s recipe for Mythical being the least known and applied it to Manaphy, the established Mythical, which would have a less powerful but better known descendant in Phione.
To me mythicals are rewards to dedicated fans, so they’re pokemon you have to use something external to obtain and are limited time. But as it’s also a video game franchise the old ones eventually become not as limited time (celebi, deoxys, darkrai, shaymin) to make it fair but they were still limited originally. That’s why they’re not considered part of the dex to obtain the shiny charm
I never liked it either; as someone who’s played the games since the original Red and Blue days I personally thought it was dumb when they decided to randomly start using the Mythical term instead of Event Legendary after four generations. (it’s just as bad as how they recently dropped the term Starter Pokemon for literally no reason) Mew and the others are all Legendary Pokemon too and I will always refer to them as such, never mythical.
@@KitsuneTriforce Even after the “first partner” debacle there seemed to be the same with Pseudos as “Powerhouse”, and referred to the whole line, yes Goomy, a true powerhouse. Now with Shinies in mind, I would like to see the conversation on Starters and Pseudo-Legendary be so widely used that they both become recognized going forward.
Isn't there also the distinction of which Pokémon are allowed in official tournaments? Only in a recent ruleset were "mythical" Pokémon allowed at all. The other legendary Pokémon are labeled as "restricted" and are permitted depending on the regulation, but usually when they're allowed, the mythicals still aren't.
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Next thing you know, the title of the next video will be 'What is a Pokémon?'
What if I use the qr code on usum and get like a lapras or something
No, dude, mythical pokemon is a completely separate group from legendaries. They have different BST, different catch rate, but the most important thing is distribution method in the debut generation. The only things in common between that is that they are kinda rare and they are generally unable to breed, which the latter really being just another wording for the former. The trick is that some amount, but not necessarilly all boxes of what we usually associate with mythical pokemon should be checked.
@@ldmtag did you mean to send that as a reply or a comment?
@@Minimeepj a reply to that nonsense Lockstin said in the video about mythicals being legendary. It would make 0 sense even if Shigeru Ohmori himself confirsms that was the original intent.
If you mean technically, than I copied the text and made both an individual comment and a reply here. Do it all the time😈
Pecharunt's story event is still connected to an item you get through mystery gift. If you don't get that mystery gift, you can't get your own pecharunt, so you still need to go outside of normal means to get it, even if this is by far the most accessible.
Yeah, I think he must have just... not remembered that you needed a mystery gift to go through Pecharunt's storyline. Even though it's part of the storyline and major characters show up during it, you could say the same about catching Shaymin in gen 4.
When Nintendo Switch Online shuts down, nobody will be able to get Pecharunt anymore, it is a time-sensitive mythical distribution, even if the distribution window remains very open.
@@adampozzobon5193 yep. 10 years from now there will be kids waiting for a way to get a pecharunt to finish their national dex in whatever pokemon storage they're gonna have (I assume home still since that's tied to a mobile app and uses cloud storage but you never know). And that unavailability is why the distinction matters, and why mythicals are blanket banned in official competitive. If a meta shift revolved around a pokemon some people didn't have access to that would be inherently unfair.
How long is the Mystery Gift available for?
@@ironzombie39 as long as nintendo switch online servers exist. So most likely until the next nintendo console is about halfway through its lifespan
@@adampozzobon5193it’s not Nintendo plans to carry on NSO into future consoles
3:59 Actually, that Mythical Pokémon artwork was made for a special event (which would distribute Mythical Pokémon monthly, one month for each Mythical) to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Pokémon... which was in 2016, which was at the tail end of Gen 6, NOT Gen 5. Outside of the fact that there would be enough Mythicals to distribute over the 12 months, Deoxys was absent because one could just play ORAS to get it, and the Gen 6 Mythicals were absent because Gen 6 was the newest generation at the time, so they were far to recent to distribute them. Volcanion was like, just officially announced at the time.
THANK you. I'm surprised Lockstin doesn't know this. He's not exactly new to the fandom.
Yep, I noticed that mistake too
@@pkmntrainermark8881 yeah, weird mistake
Tjis bullshit
Exactly why would they take a month’s worth of waiting with a phione filling in a space, people will just skip it cause they know manaphy will give you one. It wouldnt make sense. Manaphy is like nincada with getting 2 in 1. And with not many people knowing of deoxys, it’s an alien… hardly anyone knows about it.
1:17 If anyone's confused, Arcanine's _classification_ is to blame. Dusknoir is the Gripper Pokémon, Pikachu is the Mouse Pokémon and, get this, Arcanine is the _Legendary Pokémon._ I believe this was from before the term "legendary" quite caught on.
I can already imagine the Pokédex going off in my head: "Rototo~ Arcanine. The Legendary Pokémon. An ancient picture scroll shows that people were captivated by its movement as it ran through prairies."
Arcanine has a different form that’s legendary like 😂
Yeha why not “Dog Pokemon” or “Guardian Pokemon”?
Wasn't arcanine supposed to the 4th member of the bird group or was that not true?
@@HoshitheLycanrocThe original legendary trio wasn't all birds. It was a dog (Arcanine), a bird (Zapdos) and Jynx (a human).
So Arcanine is THE legendary Pokémon but not a legendary Pokémon. Guessing it's too late to change it.
I like calling the swords of justice the muskadeers
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Actually, an interview with the devs revealed that shrine’s association with celebi was a fan theory they liked and decided to adapt into Crystal Version. The devs themselves admitted that they themselves actually don’t remember the real reason for Illex Shrine.
Hasn't the leaked Celebi lore kinda debunked their claim? Unless that was made later, but Celebi was still in the game's code before Crystal. I think the shrine was made from leftover tiles for the traditional Japanese buildings
After the popularity of Mew there was bound to be a mythical mon in Gold and Silver... Maybe it was just the idea of linking it to Ilex Shrine that came later.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 the connection to illex shrine came after Silver and Gold’s release, but yeah, Celebi was already an idea way before according to the leaks
That makes no sense. What was the shrine to, if not Celebi?
@@Wandergirl108 You've never found anything in a game that's just there for the sake of being there?
Like a certain truck...
8:23 Question about your point on Celebi: DO all the locals know about Celebi? I don’t remember the shrine having any text about Celebi on it, I remember just that it’s for the “forests protector”. I looked up what Kurt says too, he mentions the GS Ball has a “strange presence” but seemingly doesn’t mention Celebi by name either. So while the shrine is of course for Celebi, I think that the current inhabitants of Azalea Town don’t remember what the shrine is for, so it would still fall in your in universe explanation still
Exactly. Plus, the shrine was originally added to Gold and Silver because of reasons that even the developers can't recall. Its association with Celebi came later through fan speculation, hence why the Celebi event takes place there in Crystal.
Well Pecharunt is still kinda event exclusive. You have to get the Mythical Pecha Berry from mystery gift
No “kinda” about it you HAVE to get it through event
7:56 I wonder if Dragonite's shiny colors where made to reference this? The only dragon (line) in Kanto, the hardest one to obtain, and you would have to spend hours to obtain one!
You got some info wrong. The art used at 3:52 was released in 2016 for Pokemon 20th anniversary im pretty sure, which was during the late days of Generation 6, so that's why Deoxys isn't excluded. Plus Pecharunt is still only obtainable via an item via mystery same as all the other Mythical of the past, but the event has no end date. I think you knew that tho and just didn't want to explain all that, which is fair.
Pecharunt is still an event pokemon. You have to get an item through Mystery Gift to unlock the post-post-post-game story. Now, Game Freak did say the event would be available forever (with the caveat of Nintendo eventually discontinuing Switch online services) but the duration of the event to receive a mystery gift was never a feature used to define a mythic pokemon.
The way I see it is Legendries are part of the main game and effect the plot or can you catch them and legends can be real, mythicals are pokemon you COULD get for you game, BUT if you miss the event they may as well not be real at all, like how myths are typically considered fabricated or stories.
That doesn't work for gen 1 where the legendary birds are entirely optional and not connected to the main story at all. You can get all the way to Mewtwo without having caught them.
@@techguypaulthough when you interact with the world and npcs. They are all mentioned. Gen1s thing was 'kid goes on his own adventure', rocket were a thing along the way in it. So a kid meeting people who talk about the world around them kinda was the storyline. Then, say Zapdos. Someone mentions the issues at the plant. Articuno a dude tells you about the seafoam islands and shows you can even see it sometimes through the binoculars. The Method may be different in how they tell the story in Gen1. But it is there and is told.
So basically legendaries are like gods and Demi gods of the Pokémon world.
And mythicals are the fairy tales or cryptids of Pokémon.
@@SnailShoes like I said, that's not at all the same as how legendaries worked after gen 1 (aside from Lugia). The story in gen 1 does not require you to encounter the legendary birds to continue on in the main story. Those NPCs/dialogue are easily missed and don't hinder completion of the main story at all. The power plant is entirely skippable in a playthrough (the machine part thing is gen 2 and zapdos isn't there anymore). Unlike say gen 4 where you have to go to Spear Pillar to defeat Cyrus and Palkia/Dialga to finish the main story.
@@techguypaul well no what I mean is, you CAN catch the birds at any time and any new save file, but back then Mew was unattainable through normal means so it may as well have been a myth if you can't get it at all, hence mythical. Legendary can also refer to it's strength status and extreme or even single species rarity.
I never considered the similarity of Diancie and Manaphy before.
I'm so focused on seeing Manaphy as the default. And for some reason, it could produce offspring that are these weird things that are almost like Manaphy but weaker.
I never considered a perspective where Phione is the default. And Manaphy just so happens to be a super special awesome unexplained individual, kinda like how Diancie is to Carbink.
It's difficult to see Phione as the default because through normal gameplay, you will always see Manaphy first, then you can only see Phione after breeding.
Compare that to Carbink, who you'd meet through normal gameplay, then Diancie comes along later on through an event distribution.
Diancie feels special because you can get it after you're already familiar with Carbink. Phione feels like a tacked on afterthought because you can get it after getting the actual special pokémon that is Manaphy.
You didn't see it because the concept has a different approach.
Carbink is a common species. One individual could evolve randomly into Diancie but this event can't be replicated. That's the reason there is no in-game mechanic related to this case. Also Diancie role is like a princess among peasants.
Meanwhile Manaphy is already the Prince of the Sea but there is no common species associated to them. So what they do is actually breed a weaker variant of themselves to roleplay as their own exclusive servants. This lesser species are called Phione. They can't evolve into their stronger form species unlike the Carbink, they are going to be weak their whole lives with no chance of evolving ever. Of course Pokemon isn't going to showcase some short of slavery nor I would say Manaphy is a tyrant.
And related to the video, in universe a bunch of mythical species are most likely endangered like Zarude or lack a fixed habitat like Zeraora, plus they have an unique skill or trait highly valuable in the black market.
Manaphy are born on cold sea floors, and Phione are born in warm seas. So, Phione are probably seen more often due to them not living on the sea floors. And maybe that’s why you get a Phione from breeding, because it wasn’t bred on a cold sea floor
But then why don't you get a Manaphy from hatching a Manaphy egg while diving in ORAS?
Actually... Has anyone ever tried that?
@@Bobby_Corwen Maybe the seafloor there isn’t cold enough?
By sea floor it doesn't mean any sea floor, so Manaphy most likely are born adapted to the cold environments of deep sea floors, not necessarily abyssal depths tho
@@Bobby_Corwen It wouldn't have been bred there, it would have been bred at the Daycare centre, and then hatched while diving.
So it's a regional form, got it.
To me the rule was always “was it only available through an event?” If yes, Mythical. Some Mythicals have since broken that rule, some have expanded the criteria, and some have left the requirements behind altogether. Some were gifts the player could receive for having purchased and played other game on the Switch, some were obtainable only by purchasing DLC, some were Home achievement awards, and some are simply made permanently available within a singular purchase. Nowadays the criterial is simply “Is/Was Event Exclusive or DLC mascot, and Meltan.”
Meltan also requires special methods in GO to obtain.
@@wikiuser92 Eh, i guess? it requires you to have a Pokemon Home account.
@@CorynSilver I meant that Meltan requires the Mystery Box in GO to spawn.
For me it's:
- Legendary: you can ask for it in GTS
- Mythical: you can't ask for it in GTS
That is wrong, because i have asked for a volcanion, diance and hoopa (while it was still possible) on gts on pokemon X, and manage to get it.
@@LuminusNovait’s not wrong you even admitted it. “Before they changed it” they obviously wasn’t talking about a bug that has been fixed for over a decade
4:41 pecharunt is only avalible through an item you get by mystery gift, though the distribution will last until either sv are no longer the newest mainline games, or until the switch doesn't have servers anymore
P.S. more or less the same story for magearna, it needs a qr code, though that will still work for almost forever
I always thought in universe, legendaries were things most people knew about, while most mythical’s are not as known and or not really considered real. You're less likely to even see a mythical Pokémon unless you’re a protagonist.
The difference between mythicals and legendaries has always being a thing in Japan since the beginning. The localization just messed up this in the earlier gens and didn't made the difference which led to the whole confusion about it but it was corrected from the gen 5 soft reboot and onward.
In places like the dynamax adventures, you can only find those pokemon that are actual legendaries and you can clearly tell that there's not even one mythical among them. And the same goes for Scarlet and Violet.
Basically, their classification goes like this:
Legendaries: They're literal forces of nature (like groudon, kyogre, yveltal, dialga, palkia, etc) that helped to shape/sustain the world as it is and/or heroes for humanity/pokemon/the entire region (like zacian, zamazenta, the tapus, the swords of justice, etc).
Mythical pokemon: They are not legendaries. They're really powerful pokemon with unique abilities that are so uncommon to be seen that people in the pokemon world even doubts of their existence to some extend. Their primary trait is that they're literal representations of certain myths from the real world (muses like meloetta, aliens like deoxys, time travelers like celebi, etc). And they can be either multiple of them or unique (depending on their inspirations)
Ultra beast: They're basically pokemon from another dimension. Not legendaries. They share a lot of traits with legendaries (like being genderless, having scripted encounters and being part of the undiscovered group, etc) but this is due to their whole concept as extradimensional unidentified creatures.There was even a quizz in the official pokemon website that confirms that they aren't legendaries.
However, there are three ultrabeast that are legendaries in their world and in the pokemon world: solgaleo (the literal representation of the sun), lunala (the literal representation of the moon) and necrozma (the literal representation of a black hole in its normal form and a super nova in its true form).
Paradox pokemon: They're essentially just convergent evolutions taken from their respective eras (the very distant past/the very distant future). And that despite their similarities aren't related to the pokemon they resemble.
However, there are two paradox pokemon that are legendaries (Koraidon and Miraidon).
You may be thinking: But what about Arceus? Arceus falls in line with the mythical pokemon. Being a representation of the theories about the origin of the universe, being seen only a few times in the entire history of the world and not being associated with a specific force of nature.
It's actually one of the reasons Silvally is a legendary instead as well. Sivally was based on what people knew about Arceus in stories (a powerful pokemon able to change to any other type) but unlike Arceus, Silvally was specifically made to be a hero for the entire Alola region (to protect the region from the threat of the ultra beast). Which is what makes it a legendary pokemon.
Basically, mythicals aren't legendaries or "sub-legendaries" or anything like that. And the classification from the source code and game files isn't a reliable source for information at all because there's no such thing as "sub-legendaries", that's a fan term that has never been acknowledged by the pokemon company at all. Heck, the source code for SwSh also says that there's mega stones in the game and that's clearly not the case. So it's definitely not a reliable source.
And this way, it's left very clear what counts as a legendary and what doesn't.
At last, someone else acknowledges how the translators fudged up the distinction between the two terms...
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I mean even by your own explanation there's no real reason the Raidins are legendaries and not Mythicals.
@Invisibool
The raidins? Are you sure you wrote that correctly?
Added information:
Paradox pokemon r actually taken from parallel universes, which is why they look similar to the main world despite not being related.
I also have a theory that the Galarian Birds r actually paradox pokemon, but bc no one coined the term at the time, they were just seen as regional variants.
6:53 The way I see the Phione confusion is that, because it’s born from an egg, and is new to the world, it can’t possibly be a legend because it hasn’t lived or existed long enough for a legend to be established about it
Just like other new Pokémon like Mewtwo or Gensect who have their status as legendaries debated on a daily basis.
Up until like, Legends Arceus Manaphy was always primarily available through an egg you had to hatch though?
@@PrincessCelinegenesect is a mythical but even then the fact thst thay consider 15 years old Mewtwo a legend is beyond me
2:09 That’s gen 6 art with the mythicals and it’s also missing Deoxys and the Kalos mythicals.
It was for 2016’s “Year of Mythical Pokémon”
They were also showing just examples of Pokémon that were only available through events and Phione is available through breeding
That mythical artwork you referenced a couple times was for the 20th anniversary distributions in 2016, not Gen 5, hence why Deoxys isn’t featured
Legendaries= known deities
Mythicasl= few if any people know they exist
Isn't Mew more well known than Mewtwo in universe though?
@@DemonicEngineernot really people came to know about mew because of the mewtwo
But even still normal people don't even know it exist.
Personal definition: a mythical Pokemon is a Pokemon that requires something from outside the game in order to acquire it legitimately in the first main series game it can be acquired from. DLC doesn't count, but Pecharunt requires an internet connection in addition to the DLC to get the item for it from Mystery Gift, and the fact that Mystery Gift doesn't work without an internet connection satisfies the definition. Same goes for Magearna, requiring an internet connection satisfies the definition.
Magearna doesn't need an internet connection. You just need to scan one of three QR codes (depending on your region). I still think it qualifies by your definition though.
@@Rot8erConeX Yep, definitely still qualifies. My memory may be faulty, but my definition is not.
Does DLC not also require an internet connection to obtain?
@@sunshowers3838 DLC doesn't count because of the number of mundane Pokemon they add which aren't limited like mythicals are. And also because I say it doesn't count.
DLC definitely counts.
Because obviously it does.
I know this isn't always how it works in the games, but the distinction I have always been most interested in is the one between Pokémon that are responsible for the creation of the world or hold some dominion over it, and Pokémon who are just very powerful and very rare, possibly one of a kind.
In the recent leaks there is a document back from Alola's development that kinda talks about Legendaries and Mythicals. In this document it lists Phione as a semi-mythical and that they should never say it publicly and to avoid talking about this due to how confusing it is
Mew is the only pokémon that actually felt like a myth imo, the other mythical just feel like legendaries but smaller
Jirachi feels pretty mythical in my opinion
Zeraora? There is nothing in any game that indicates that it exists. Meanwhile, Mew literally has Mewtwo
I agree- though my list is a tad longer: mew, jirachi, victini, and marshadow.
@@HmmBearGrr that’s true it doesn’t help they keep giving Mew as a gift in a lot of games now
The only ones that don’t feel mythical for me are deoxys, genesect and zarude
I have a weird obsession with Venn Diagrams (mostly because of how many situations they can be used in), and I've been using them to explain the difference between mythicals and legendaries for a long time, so seeing you pull one out in the first minute of the video was quite the treat for me
7:38 heart attack tiiime 😨💥
1:22 my theory was that Arcanine was supposed to be a Guardian Pokémon to the legendary Birds but the idea was scrapped in the story after the illustrations were already made. It’s just what gives me peace so I’m not constantly thinking about it however.
Even if Arcanine isn’t a legendary Pokémon, he’s still a legendary in my heart
To me, he's a legendary in a similar way Blood Moon Ursaluna is. (Or like, the opposite?)
Pre Gen 9, I came up with a definition that encompasses all mythicals and excludes all non-mythicals. A mythical was any Pokémon that is impossible to obtain legitimately within any core series games during said Pokémon’s debut generation without the use of external events/software/equipment. Then Walking Wake and Iron Leaves came along just to mess with me.
Magearna in Ultra Sun and Moon needed an event, so it still counts.
And Pecharunt came with a mystery gift that gave you an item to start its episode, just like the gen3-5 mythicals.
8:02 dragonite's shiny is green and its a dragon that is hard to get
1:12 should'nt ultrabeast have their own circle??
2:20 the shadows are flipped. I know shadows can be annoying but they should definitely still be using the same hand to gesture with.
Checked other comments. Wow this video is filled with mistakes. Still a good video but there's a lot of mistakes.
0:17 then I guess I'm some weirdo that likes Zarude, specially Da Da Zarude 😅
😢... I like Zarude... 😢😢😢
Ive always seen it like legendaries are major deities while mythicals are minor deities
kind of like if dialga is Chronos, then celebi is Aeternitas.
but that kinda has some outliers, like cresselia, she's definitely not a major deity, but arceus is THE deity, so..
I like lockstins definition better
Mythical are deitys that are simply those who's existence can't be verified properly kinda like ghost or dragons in our world.
A Mythical Pokemon is simply any Pokemon that was originally only obtainable via an event distribution. Pecharunt technically counts because it was initially inaccessible even to those who bought The Indigo Disk DLC, but was later made available via an indefinite event distribution.
Meltan / Melmetal also works, because Meltan were originally obtainable via a limited time event in Pokemon GO, _before_ they were obtainable in the Let's Go games.
Even Phione fits this description, because while you do get it from breeding, the only Pokemon that can produce a Phione egg is Manaphy, a Mythical Pokemon, which could originally only be obtained via an event in Gen IV, so Phione could also only be obtained via that same event. It could be argued that Phione is not the exact Pokemon provided by the event, which is why it may not count, but I think a case can be made for it.
As long as a Pokemon can only be obtained in the first game it appears in via some kind of event distribution, it's Mythical. That's literally all it is.
This definition would technically include Zorua and Zoroark, as well as Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
@1:09 poor Arcanine! 😢
My theory is before they made Lugia for the second movie back in the beta days Arcanine was meant to be the trio master of the legendary birds. 1:19
Meltan/Melmetal are what confuses me. They just seem like any other Pokemon species. What's "mythical" about them?
Also, in Pokemon Go, you can leave Melmetal in gyms but no other legendary OR mythical 🤷♂️
If we use the first definition, both getting it and evolving it requires specific conditions.
Also, the way it was introduced.
If it's not mythical, I'm not sure who is tbh
@@TheeDann
This proves that Niantic basically loves to contradict itself
6:58 - They are confused about a lot of things when developing their games.
Omg I've been waiting for an actual in depth video differentiating between legendary and mythicals.
Still probably looking for it, I'd imagine lol
@@lerdog yes💀
If you’re willing to include “Pokemon you can’t get without assistance from outside the main game” under the designation of mythical, several of the examples you provide could still count. (Beyond just Pecharunt as people have pointed out)
- Manaphy in LA has the means to obtain it hidden in Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl. Phionr requires catching Manaphy, thus is locked the same way.
- Darkrai in LA requires a BDSP savefile to access.
- Shaymin in LA requires a SWSH savefile.
- Magearna in both SuMo games requires a QR code, not unlike normal codes for past mythicals.
Celebi is kind of iffy, as the virtual console version just comes with the event built into the game.
Arceus, meanwhile, is obtainable in normal gameplay and doesn’t require any outside help (especially as it requires none of the previously mentioned Pokemon from LA) Thus, you could argue it is no longer mythical. Which, considering the nature of Arceus as merely a piece of the true god, makes a bit of sense.
I consider instances like Deoxys becoming catchable as a promotion to Legendary. Mythic promotes to Legend. In universe labeling works too as Deoxys was basically newly discovered and as shown in Pokémon Generations was even covered up by Mossdeep Space Center.
Meanwhile the leaks just revealed phione is in fact considered a partial mythical hahahah
With the leaks it came out that Phione is a quasi-mythical Pokémon
0:03 that is a wild statement 💀
My own head cannon is that most mythicals have multiple of a species or are essentially demigods of the Pokemon world. Being offspring or being created by legendaries blessed by Arceus. But this video does a good job at explaining the in world reasoning for why humans would label them as one or the other
But then again The god himself is a mythical and the ancestors of all pokemons is also a mythical.keep in mind mew contain dna of even the legendary Pokemons and transform different legendary at the same time.
@@The_original_one true
My favorite mythicals are Arceus, Mew and Hoopa!
Magearna, Volcanion, Victini and Genesect being honorable mentions
Impressive essay 👍
^v^
Very glad to see that not a single Ultra Beast shows up in this video.
Meltan/Melmetal are where things get weird. They aren't tied to a specific region and Pokemon GO doesn't even really treat them as mythical. Plus you can easily obtain more of them with the Mystery Box. Yet they are called mythical.
I was literally just rewatching your old mythical videos lol. Hoopa is my favorite mythical.
This has cost me more streaks in PokéDoku than I care to admit.
Mythicals that are currently constantly available (as long as you have the games/hardware/software required to obtain/transfer/own them): Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Deoxys, Manaphy, Phione, Shaymin, Darkrai, Arceus, Keldeo, Meloetta, Magearna (including Original form), Meltan, Melmetal (including Gmax form), Pecharunt.
Currently constantly available as shiny pokemon: Meloetta
Currently constantly available to shiny hunt: Celebi, Arceus.
Occasionally available to shiny hunt: Meltan, Melmetal
Currently unavailable: Genesect, Diancie, Hoopa, Volcanion, Marshadow, Zeraora, Zarude (including Dada form).
Shiny Locked Mythicals: Keldeo, Hoopa, Volcanion, Magearna (including Original form), Gmax Melmetal, Zarude (including Dada form), Pecharunt.
I wish for a day, when every mythical is legitimately obtainable and available to shiny hunt, constantly. Maybe someday.
Good info.
I just always seen Mythicals as Demigods or in Pokemon terms a Demilegendary.
They're strong and powerful like a Legendary but are relatively new, and not as strong as their Legendary Elders.
They've yet to ascend to legendary status and earn their power and strength. New gods so to speak, having to be
trained by the already existing Legendaries.
I think in terms of lore, it would be the opposite (disregarding base stats). Arceus is a mythical and is the literal god of the Pokémon world. Mew is the original that contains the DNA of all Pokémon, while Mewtwo is a "lesser" copy. Mythicals are more powerful in terms of lore, but less powerful in terms of gameplay and stats. Legendaries are more powerful in terms of gameplay and stats, but less so in terms of lore.
Bro got it backwards
@@prof.thiagoalmeida1226very good point!
Thats so ironic, I always viewed mythicals as wiser and more specialized than legendaries
Mew is older than Mewtwo though
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I disagree with this. Deoxys wasn’t part of this art and it was still counted as a mythical Pokemon. I feel Phione also wasn’t included as this was to promote getting a new mythical each month. They wouldn’t have one month you get Phione and one month Manaphy as Manaphy would basically give you both.
I view Legendaries in the Pokémon world as their version of ancient or local Gods that had people worship or fear them because they were involved in massive events in the past and physical evidence being structures or statues focused on them. While mythicals are the fairy tales or cryptids of the Pokémon world. where you will here a story about it a wish granting pokemon or a Pokemon that stalks people at night and gives them nightmares. But any evidence of their existence it’s so little it can barely be studied, or doesn’t matter. like Pecharunt and it’s mythical pecha berry sure it means alot to Pecharunt, but it’s just a really good berry thats not one of a kind and doesn’t do much, plus Pecharunt can’t even create it so who would study it.
i think this is true. some legendaries actually visit groups of people and we can confirm their existence.
“What is a Mythical Pokémon?”
-Me: “The Pink Butterfree, the Crystal Onix, Notched-eared Pichu, The Pinkan Pokemon”
…yeah, they’re technologically not but gosh I miss them.
Mythical just means “marketing exclusive” Pokemon.
isn't Arcanine's Poxedex title the "Legendary Pokemon" ???
lockstin: there is a distinction and that distinction is important
also lockstin: it's all fun and theres no universal definition
honestly a lot of terms in pokemon are like a reverse true scotsman paradoz. it used to mean something, but as ede cases were introduced they had to broaden the definition more and more to the point where it's impossiblle to reconcile what was/wasn't x back then with the much broader definition we use now. what kind of pokemon/game is "x" is more baed on colloquial vibes than semantic definitions
0:30 Counterargument: the shape of thier feet and living on land is a result of them mutating into humanoid forms.
This feels like a classic Lockstin video, like the Godzilla one from like 4 years ago, loved it
8:44 gamefreak categorizes paradox Pokémon as legendary fun fact I forgot where I saw it
Actually, they *don't* - and in fact, Ultra Beasts, which *used* to be classified as legendaries, are no longer so, as of the same game that introduced the Paradoxes. Probably because they decided that if they were gonna keep adding these new plot-important groups of maybe-Pokemon, they shouldn't be always legendaries.
@@Rot8erConeXare iron crown/leafs/boulder and raging bolt, walking wake and gouging fire legendaries?
6:26 Mystery Dungeon mentioned Mystery Dungeon mentioned MYSTERY DUNGEON MENTIONED
Mythical: original event only Pokemon
But I do like how more mythicals are becoming “non-event exclusive”
Mew and Jirachi from BDSP
All gen 4 mythicals in Legends Arceus
Meloetta in SV DLC
Keldeo in SwSh DLC
Even Deoxys in ORAS and Magearna in USUM
I'd say mythicals are a pokémon that get very few sightings every year and are very poorly understood. While a lot of mythicals we know what their range is, it's considered an event to see them and they're often only seen by individuals.
While legendaries Don't typically hide are very well known to the people. And are often spotted. By many people. Lugia from that movie from the power of one movie comes to mind.
Also, entei from that one movie where Pikachu talked. Hundreds of potential trainers were alerted to those Pokemon's locations and tried to catch them.
With the only potential wrinkle being Mewtwo in the lore, mewtwo isn't really spotted that often. But that can easily be made up for by the fact. That's location is sometimes known. It's a pokémon made by humans so humans know a lot about it.
I would say mythicals are best described as legendaries so uncommon that they are thought to be a myth.
Making it make even more sense why they might not even be allowed in formats that legendaries are allowed in.
Due to the fact that a lot of the pokémon world might not even know that they exist. Actually it would be really fun. To have a mythical that is just not real. Or not real in the traditional sense. It's something else, but not what's described in the Pokedex. It's specifically noted doesn't exist in game with you having to do research on it. To actually add it to your Pokedex replacing the fake mythical.
Adding a reason for there to be a difference. And a rather interesting one at that. As there is active debate on whether or not a majority of mythicals are even real.
You consistently create some of the highest quality content on RUclips with unique ideas always a good watch
To me, the only reason the term "mythical Pokémon" even exists is because it is marketable for the Pokémon Company. I will always refer to them as Legendary.
I will say though that Pecharunt is still from an event. It is the Mythical Pecha Berry item that was distributed back in January and not actually automatically included with the dlc as players still had to use the mystery gift feature to get it.
And Magearna isn’t “just there”. It’s locked behind a QR code that while still available, it requires players to use an outside source.
Loved the video! Been a fan since day 1 with the very first crossover web! On another note where did you get the footage for the clip at 2:33?
Mythical to me, was always a legendary pokemon that only can be obtained by download event.
Ive always viewd mythical as that weird additional legendary, via, movies, added to the game later, such as that
i was gonna take a nap, but lockstin and gnoggin video.
I remember some people in Spanish sites used to refer to Pokémon like Articuno, Entei, Registeel, etc. as Legendary Pokémon, while Mewtwo, Lugia, Groudon, etc. (basically cover Legendaries) were called Super Legendary Pokémon. Mythical Pokémon were just called Event Pokémon.
Whenever i organize my collection of Pokemon in each game I usually just put a Legendary/Mythical tag on their boxes. It’s just easier. I only wish Pokemon Company would add a few more boxes so I could do more such as egg hatching. Almost all of my boxes are full after both DLCs in scarlet and violet
The entire concept of mythical Pokémon has always been pretty confusing, but I typically classify them as Pokémon usually only available through events, as bonuses for having other games or peripherals, or as bonuses for getting DLC. There are certainly exceptions, but most of them were at least exclusive to some sort of event or additional purchase for a few years after they were originally released. Deoxys in ORAS was years after Gen 3, same with Celebi in Crystal VC, Arceus in PLA, etc. You could argue Magearna doesn't fit into this specification because it was easily obtainable in Sun and Moon, but I'd argue that since you need to scan a QR code to get one, they were assuming people wouldn't screenshot it and send it around to other people. It was probably intended to be limited time, as in the QR code was only to be available by official means for a limited time, but it ended up persisting. As for the Meltan line, I think the idea is that they are Pokémon that don't exist in any region except for in Pokémon Go, so there's at least some sort of specialness there? As for Phione, I would argue it's a mythical Pokémon considering you need to have a Manaphy or another Phione to get it, and it's typically treated like a mythical Pokémon these days. Argue about it all you want.
Jeez, it really is difficult to classify these. I think the closest thing that comes to some sort of criteria I can suggest is they only show up very occasionally, either in game or at events. With pretty much every regular legendary, there's usually a way to get them somehow in every generation since ORAS, but mythicals tend to appear much more sparingly. You could bring up the Meltan/Phione argument but it's really the closest I have to something at least somewhat concrete.
It should be noted that for Celebi, they just know there is a guardian BECAUSE of the area, and don't even know exactly about Celebi's existence, just that there was a special legend in that area....
I always thought the different between mythical and legendary is powers you got the big major pokemon as legendary like as examples gods of time and space or just god
Then the mythical is the still powerful but the powers are less useful or impactful like celebi or just pokemon that are strong but don't really have a purpose or role like deoxy
I miss catching mythicals from event items. Going to Libery Island to find Victini in Black/White, and then bringing them back in Black2/White2 to see his special scene was so nice.
So it took him 3 gens to get his green dragon?
I'll be honest, I think genuinely what defines the difference between mythical and legendary at this point, is whether they're allowed in competitive VGC. Which. Isn't a very fun or lore based way to think about it, but even in the least restricted rule sets like the semi recent Reg G you weren't allowed pokemon like pecherunt or darkrai (idk on darkrai actually but its fine dwai), not because they aren't in the game but because they're considered mythical and also game breaking with stuff like darkrai's dark void.
But also I really enjoy your explination of "It's because people don't know them." Celebi still counts I think there actually too, because yeah sure its shrine IS there but the locals don't actually talk about it and it's kind of technically in an out of the way spot in a forest and the shrine isn't some bustling spot. Its just an old shrine in a forest that probably only a few people in town remember if that. So. It still counts for being "not well known", cause not well known doesn't mean *no one* knows it, just that the number is small and people arent usually worshipping it in large numbers.
lore wise i think that if people have legends on them a story who's origin at least did knowingly happen its a legendary but if it has myths about it, a story that is not confirmed to be true of its existence and is more of a bedtime story its a mythical
I have always wondered what’s the difference between Mythicals and Legendaries, so I really appreciate this Video.
I had to come inside thanks to the wind. Time to watch the new video! *Afterward.* Well, my definition of mythical has changed now, that's for sure.
People on the internet keep telling me that mythicals are pokemon only obtainable through limited-time events, which singlehandedly proves no one on the internet knows how to obtain Walking Wake and Iron Leaves
To be fair, that's what they were. So your choice is to either redefine mythical pokemon or to throw those two into that category
Modern Mythical is status is determined by internal catagories, there are regular pokemon, Sub-Legendaries like the Birds, Beasts, Ogerpon, Restricted Legendaries like Box Art Legendaries, Ultra Beasts and Paradox Pokemon. Ultra Beasts were originally categorized as Sub-Legendaries until updated relatively recently in Scarlet and Violet.
I would say that Mythicals are linked to special events as every Mythical has been linked to either giveaways or DLC, they are extras that are locked away either in the base game (like Arceus in the original Diamond and Pearl) and must be unlocked with an event or are added in later like Pecharunt. Lorewise you can say that that Mythicals show up when they are needed, like most of the Mythicals in the Pokemon movies. Legendaries aren't locked behind events or added in later (the loyal three being the exception), they are there and can be captured are almost any time or after you beat the game, lorewise you can say they are there in the region but are just incredibly rare
Pecharunt is special because you need to use mystery gift to get the special berry in order to get it, not because it's exclusive to DLC. Besides the loyal three, nine more legendaries are locked behind DLC (Kubfu, Urshifu, Regieleki, Regidrago, Calyrex, Glastrier, Spectrier, Ogerpon, Terapagos), more if you count Galarian forms of the birds, plus there's also totally normal Pokémon locked behind DLC (Dipplin, Hydrapple, Poltchageist, Sinistcha, Archaludon)
Legendary pokemon are so badass and glad they're lore is so well in depth that video like these are possible cause this is just so awesome ❤
I don't think that would exclude Darkrai and Shaymin because you can only unlock them with save data from completely different games like with Manaphy (but more repeatable)
4:47 actually it's not, you need an item not available in game that they distributed over Wi-Fi to trigger the epilogue like old-school mythicals if you didn't download it the event won't trigger even with the dlc
There’s a small caveat with PLA, you had to purchase and play SwSh and BDSP to obtain the quests for Darkrai and Shaymin, similar to the Mew and Jirachi in BDSP
I wouldn’t classify Legendaries between who is and isn’t on a box. Instead there is a much clearer distinction between restricted and non restricted legendaries. It is what separates mone like Calerex and Teratopogos from Urshifu and Ogerpon.
Don't all four of those fall under "restricted legendaries"
@@Hewer86 Nope. Urshifu and Ogerpon are normally allowed in official competitive Pokémon formats and in game battle modes unlike Calerex.
What about zarude??
We saw tons of zarude in the movie
Pushing the fact even more that it’s multiple of the same legendaries/Mythicals out there like Lugia and Celebi.
8:00 "Green Dragon" does exactly tells us were this idea originated: Final Fantasy III.
Well, Final Fantasy I have WARMECH, and FFII has the Iron Giant, but same idea
They're insanely rare monsters that are way stronger than everyone else and (possibly) drop some amazing loot when defeated.
You can see this idea in early Gen 1 Build were Legendaries are 1% encounters in the Final Dungeon instead of static encounters. (Chansey counts too, now that I think of it. It's extremely rare, and gives the most Exp when defeated)
Final Drampasy.
Imagine if there was even another Subcategory of Legendaries, maybe something coming from another dimension.
Demi gods are half god half mortal right? So maybe we should call phione a Demi mythical
I never really liked the Mythical designation because previously as of Gen 4 this was Event-Exclusive Legendary, and people are confused what counts. Phione? Deoxys in ORAS? Meltan and Melmetal? I think Shiny was a perfect keyword to adopt, but Mythical is tied to something more complex and nuanced than need be when Legendary is broad enough to include everything in Mythical.
When I think of legendary I think of like the Greek pantheon and the mythicals are more like demigods or children of the gods. So manaphy would be the god and phione is just like a descendant of a god
@@jkaihaywood5233 Then you flipped it around. You probably used Lockstin’s recipe for Mythical being the least known and applied it to Manaphy, the established Mythical, which would have a less powerful but better known descendant in Phione.
To me mythicals are rewards to dedicated fans, so they’re pokemon you have to use something external to obtain and are limited time. But as it’s also a video game franchise the old ones eventually become not as limited time (celebi, deoxys, darkrai, shaymin) to make it fair but they were still limited originally. That’s why they’re not considered part of the dex to obtain the shiny charm
I never liked it either; as someone who’s played the games since the original Red and Blue days I personally thought it was dumb when they decided to randomly start using the Mythical term instead of Event Legendary after four generations. (it’s just as bad as how they recently dropped the term Starter Pokemon for literally no reason) Mew and the others are all Legendary Pokemon too and I will always refer to them as such, never mythical.
@@KitsuneTriforce Even after the “first partner” debacle there seemed to be the same with Pseudos as “Powerhouse”, and referred to the whole line, yes Goomy, a true powerhouse. Now with Shinies in mind, I would like to see the conversation on Starters and Pseudo-Legendary be so widely used that they both become recognized going forward.
Isn't there also the distinction of which Pokémon are allowed in official tournaments? Only in a recent ruleset were "mythical" Pokémon allowed at all. The other legendary Pokémon are labeled as "restricted" and are permitted depending on the regulation, but usually when they're allowed, the mythicals still aren't.