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  • Опубликовано: 7 апр 2024
  • Why are Mega Pokemon so popular when they are objectively the worst? Or are they? Is their popularity driven by Gen 6 Hype nostalgia? or is there something deeper to them I just don't understand? Well thanks to your help on X, I think I have a clearer understanding of the Pokemon fandom now.
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  • @Gnoggin
    @Gnoggin  Месяц назад +961

    uh oh... I have an opinion on the internet!?

  • @dreameater7445
    @dreameater7445 Месяц назад +590

    I am a simple man, I am NOT a competitive pokemon player.
    I play pokemon in a self insert/power fantasy/ casual monster tamer RPG as I imagine it was intended to be.
    And no other gimmick gave me that feeling like Megas.

    • @shounen1810
      @shounen1810 Месяц назад +11

      same

    • @darkwizard655
      @darkwizard655 Месяц назад +6

      same

    • @sinnohperson8813
      @sinnohperson8813 Месяц назад +10

      For how many trainers in x and y have mega and how absurdly broken mega blaziken is in oras
      Mega did ruin my in game experience too

    • @ThermalVoid
      @ThermalVoid Месяц назад +1

      Same.

    • @armaggedon390
      @armaggedon390 Месяц назад +20

      @@sinnohperson8813 Ah, yes, all the many trainers in XY that use megas... Like Lysander's final battle, the champion and the post-game rival.

  • @smackerooonii7001
    @smackerooonii7001 Месяц назад +1940

    They only added the "Mega Evolution Hurts the Pokémon l" aspect AFTER their debut. It was never in the XY anime to my knowledge, and its a factor that never comes up outside of Pokedex Entries. Its literally just the Alola dex being metal as hell.

    • @confuseddragonedits2294
      @confuseddragonedits2294 Месяц назад +292

      Didn't Alola's director express a disliking of Megas a whole? Something, Something, made Pokemon more viable/popular than others something?

    • @CrossTrash
      @CrossTrash Месяц назад +397

      I just treat it as info thats only canon to the games where Mega evolutions arent widely used. Because XY and ORAS never give a SINGLE hint that Mega Evolution is bad for the Pokemon, and it just feels like a dumb made up lore excuse for TPC to ditch Megas. Its like they're saying "see? We HAVE to get rid of megas! It's hurting your friends! You don't want that right?" even though they were promoting it as the apex of Human-Pokemon partnership not one year beforehand.

    • @GhostyBoi7737
      @GhostyBoi7737 Месяц назад +157

      Probably wasn't even Alola trying to metal. I heard a good point that they light have added "oh, megas bad" because they were gonna get rid of them next gen

    • @reginlief1
      @reginlief1 Месяц назад +128

      Much like PL:A’s bizarre “every Pokémon can shrink” detail, game freak just have a penchant for completely ruining their own world building already established.

    • @mathewricafrente5984
      @mathewricafrente5984 Месяц назад +108

      The anime did showcase a Mega Evolution going haywire (Korrina's Lucario iirc) but that was the closest to anything that Alola's dex entries even bring up about Megas

  • @giantmastersword
    @giantmastersword Месяц назад +58

    "Everyone needed rayquaza on their team to win in competitive" ... so like zacian. And incineroar. And urshifu.

    • @Magic_Ice
      @Magic_Ice 16 дней назад +10

      Also he is just plain wrong there lol. Mega ray was certainly really good but not as good as the primals and xern and many people used 2 restricteds and a mega rather than 1 restricted and 1 mega restricted like mega kang or mence

  • @spidersonic0110
    @spidersonic0110 Месяц назад +1548

    Mega-Evolutions are basically Pokémon going Super Saiyan. It's no surprise why its a popular mechanic.

    • @benross9174
      @benross9174 Месяц назад +41

      Kinda lame not everyone can do it though. At least with Z moves everyone had a nuke

    • @christopheraponte306
      @christopheraponte306 Месяц назад +53

      It just felt epic to mega evolve your ace pokemon

    • @Hugo-yz1vb
      @Hugo-yz1vb Месяц назад +19

      ​@@benross9174 What's a nuke if you cannot use it for more than one turn?

    • @FalcnPWNCH
      @FalcnPWNCH Месяц назад +27

      exactly, it's literally the perfect power fantasy for the pokemon age demographic, ironically for both the kids and the adults - but also they definitely shouldn't keep making more megas for a multitude of reasons

    • @mouthwaterin
      @mouthwaterin Месяц назад +26

      ​@@Hugo-yz1vbdon't nukes only explode once or am I missing something

  • @chrisjohnsen8448
    @chrisjohnsen8448 Месяц назад +626

    Basically, Megas are popular for a few reasons.
    1. They were the first gimmick so they had the strongest impression.
    2. Rule of cool dictates that making a super form for a Pokemon hypes people more than a big move or growing in size or a funny hat.
    3. When doing Megas there was less concern with game balance and more interest in generating hype and getting people more invested with already strong and popular Pokemon.

    • @chrisjohnsen8448
      @chrisjohnsen8448 Месяц назад +51

      Personally, Megas should've mostly been saved for the weakest of the weak 3rd stage Pokemon that would be hard to buff otherwise.

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +6

      @@chrisjohnsen8448 Gigantamax is like the Pokémon version of piloting a megazord and I think that’s pretty metal

    • @revantobias8567
      @revantobias8567 Месяц назад +29

      ​@madnessarcade7447
      Cool beans. Why can't I pilot my megazoid anywhere except the league or a raid den? Why am I limited to these 2 locations.
      Mega evolution wasn't limited. If I wanted to murder a caterpie with mega rayquaza I could.
      Bring back megas.

    • @KratonWolf
      @KratonWolf Месяц назад +8

      Mega is just an extension of Giratina+Griseous Orb, except limited to 1 per battle. Primal Reversion is just another Mega on the side. Rayquaza is just Mega but swapping held item for move (don't want that move? No mega then!). And all of the above are just weaker variants of Key-Item Use Based Forme Changes (DNA Spicers, Gracidea, Reveal Glass, Prison Bottle, etc).

    • @shaunmeldrum4302
      @shaunmeldrum4302 Месяц назад +2

      Is it true that gen 5 underperformed in sales? That would make sense as to why they needed something big like megas to help sell gen 6.

  • @user-dm8il9ew9t
    @user-dm8il9ew9t Месяц назад +159

    I'd say regional variants do nothing for the pokemon it's based on: Having an Alolan Raichu isn't going to make good old Raichu more interesting and/or desirable. Paldean Taurus is a f'n badass, but it doesn't change the fact that the original Tauros still kinda sucks. People who used Mega beedrill would never use the original beedrill if it got a regional variant instead of a mega evolution.

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Месяц назад +12

      But by the same token, I think that the decision to restrict mega evolution to pre-gen VI Pokemon hurts the new pokemon in a way that regional forms do not. You pretty much have to engage with the new generational gimmick in every game even in single player, but regional forms are as optional as any other Pokemon you might encounter in the game. So with only 28 mega pokemon in the game, your team was guaranteed to have a Pokemon from generation I-V in it as your star pokemon, but you could dismiss just about all the new pokemon from gen VI if they weren't fairy type, and that included the starters. Once the professor gives you the gen I starter of your choice, you can put away your original starter if you want to because it cannot mega evolve, making it less useful. Meanwhile, generation VII and VIII both gave their starter pokemon a unique Z-move and Gigantimax form respectively to discourage this. That, I think, was what caused the downfall of megas. They realized that the generational gimmick should if anything highlight the new pokemon and be accessable to all team compositions while regional forms exist to refresh old designs without necessarily giving them an edge.
      Also, I personally would pick Alolan Raichu over the original every day because giving it the psychic type makes it way more interesting and different than Pikachu, whereas regular Raichu is just Pikachu mark II. If you give Pikachu a light ball IIRC it's stats actually exceed Raichu, so Alolan Raichu feels like the right kind of refresh-- not just a stronger pokemon but a conceptually different one entirely.

    • @roanpartridge9239
      @roanpartridge9239 Месяц назад +38

      @@formlessone8246 That's exactly the point they're making though. Alolan Raichu IS a conceptually different Pokemon to Kantonian Raichu. So much so that you and many others would pick it over the original every time because it has an extra type and a more interesting design concept. That doesn't actually help the original Raichu in any way. In fact it sidelines it even more because people will reach for the shiny new version instead.
      Like don't get me wrong, I love regional variants and I hope they're here to stay for good, but the idea that they bring relevance back to their original counterparts is just flat out wrong.

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Месяц назад +6

      @@roanpartridge9239 can't the same be said of mega evolutions? Yes, technically because the transformation ends at the end of the battle your team technically has a Beedrill on it (to pick a random pokemon), but you know as soon as you send it out you are going to mega evolve it. Also, when people praise the design of a mega pokemon they aren't praising the baseline pokemon, they are praising the mega design. Many people praise megas by pointing out how they create the opportunity to change their typing and abilities, which regional forms also do. Consider the following thought experiment: if mega evolution was literally just a third evolution that didn't end at the end of battle, would you still say that it's about improving the design of the original, or would you call it a replacement as well? What do we really mean when we call something an improvement then? I would say that by the criteria you imply, the only thing that counts is changing move pools and stat adjustments, which they do pretty much every game to every pokemon in order to balance them. But that doesn't change their art, which matters to a lot of people.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +25

      ​@@formlessone8246 But you could theoretically still use the very same Beedrill you transferred all the way up to XY from Red/Blue and Mega Evolve it. Can't quite do the same to your Raichu.

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Месяц назад +3

      @@Sigmund_Froid I don't see how that matters. We were talking about the designs of the pokemon themselves, not the issue with transferring pokemon between generations, which was essentially impossible between gen III and III for a long time. My thought experiment has more to do with people who catch new pokemon rather than sending teams across games because who would do that with a Beedrill anyway? The assumption that megas are good because they are for making old Pokemon that no one uses is challenged by the fact that they gave me gas to Mewtwo for no reason. But if it were the selling point of megas, regional forms really are just the better method from a balance perspective.

  • @gammerhulk2064
    @gammerhulk2064 Месяц назад +80

    I think a big reason that Megas are viewed more favorably than their contemporaries is the fact that, when Mega Evolution was introduced, there was no indication that it was a 'gimmick'.
    As you mentioned, Gen 2 brought breeding and the Special split, Gen 3 abilities, Gen 4 the Phys/Special split for moves, and Gen 5 hidden abilities.
    I'd argue that people (rightly) assumed Mega Evolution was the big upgrade to Pokemon, which was reinforced when we saw it 5 games in a row (or 4 if you don't count Let's Go) and still makes appearances in the spin-off games.
    Z-Moves and Dynamax fall into the same trap that Mega Evolution did. Because while every Pokemon can Dynamax, only certain Pokemon can Gigantimax. Every Pokemon can use a Z-Move, but some Pokemon are more special than others and have exclusive Z-Moves.
    There hasn't been a big core change to the Pokemon formula that has lasted more than one generation other than Mega Evolution.
    Terastallization does seem like a good change to the formula, but with the current pattern that I see, I don't have high hopes.

  • @guywholikesmemes4993
    @guywholikesmemes4993 Месяц назад +738

    Take pre-existing loved Pokémon, make it have a stat increase somewhere, give it a strong ass ability and make it look cool asf. Not surprised it's popular lmao.

    • @Dinomatrix21
      @Dinomatrix21 Месяц назад +73

      Yeah, it's the same reason why regional variants and convergent pokemon (even though there's only 4) are so widely loved; take a pokemon, change up the design and maybe typing, possibly add some new evolutions. It's familiar but different.

    • @bholo157
      @bholo157 Месяц назад +9

      Literally this

    • @Gloomdrake
      @Gloomdrake Месяц назад +18

      imo Megas should have been limited to unpopular and/or weak Pokémon

    • @johnathanbowers5433
      @johnathanbowers5433 Месяц назад +14

      yeah, this is a weird take to have just because its so obvious. feels like clickbait

    • @Gloomdrake
      @Gloomdrake Месяц назад +4

      @@johnathanbowers5433 that’s not how weird takes work

  • @jalapenoofjustice4682
    @jalapenoofjustice4682 Месяц назад +658

    To me, mega evolutions feel like a pokemon turning into the ultimate version of *itself* whereas dynamaxing feels like them transforming into something *different*. It's like the difference between an Oozaru and a Super Saiyan (ignoring the canonical power difference).

    • @mr.stoneface7699
      @mr.stoneface7699 Месяц назад +59

      I think it was Lockstin himself (I could be wrong) who said that mega evos are pretty much "that Pokémon, but MORE." Sharpedo is more teeth, Garchomp is more edges and spikes, Steelix is more minerals and bits orbiting in a magnetic field; Charizard and Mewtwo Y have the "them, but MORE" feel, and their X forms are more like fan-servicey What If? variants.

    • @inorexablechaos1139
      @inorexablechaos1139 Месяц назад +30

      @@mr.stoneface7699 I’d argue that both Mega Mewtwo forms are just “Mewtwo but MORE” because they’re just an even *stronger* ultimate psychic-type. They’re just strong in different ways.

    • @xandercrosby3757
      @xandercrosby3757 Месяц назад +19

      @@mr.stoneface7699 If you ask me, I think that Mega Y forms are definitely just the them but More feel, while the X forms are more like a pokemon keeping the same basic idea, but expanding on it in a different direction. Mega Mewtwo Y is just a souped up Mewtwo, while Mega Mewtwo X is still clearly Mewtwo, but with new powers to go along with it.

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +16

      Dynamax is an illusion not the actual pokemon
      The real pokemon is inside piloting
      Gamefreak confirmed this themselves

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +4

      Gigantamax is like the Pokémon version of piloting a megazord and I think that’s pretty metal

  • @fartface192
    @fartface192 Месяц назад +251

    Playing devil's advocate; megas changed up typings and abilities; some Pokemon had different roles in battle whether or not you megaed them

    • @DemiIsNotHere
      @DemiIsNotHere Месяц назад +9

      Mega gyarados always tried to go for a moxie boost before mega evolving and people ran both tyranitar and mega tyranitar

    • @mewziikal8331
      @mewziikal8331 Месяц назад +5

      Playing devil's advocate the other way around (i'm a big fan of megas personally) : terastallization also changes up typings, and whether you choose an offensive or defensive tera type can also change the role of the pokemon in battle.

    • @Andre-zz4hv
      @Andre-zz4hv Месяц назад +10

      @@mewziikal8331 But teralization removes secondary type and megas gives new abilities

    • @ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions
      @ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions 27 дней назад +2

      ​@@Andre-zz4hv You still got to keep your original types STAB bonuses while Tera and you always have the option to take advantage of your tera type with Tera Blast.

    • @thegreygoblin5165
      @thegreygoblin5165 17 дней назад +1

      ​@@mewziikal8331Teras just felt like lesser Megas though

  • @Havoc-kun
    @Havoc-kun Месяц назад +287

    The only reason they started saying megas hurt the pokemon is because they wanted to try and get us to hate it. It didn't work.

    • @tobysinbad
      @tobysinbad Месяц назад +4

      They always said it hurt them

    • @RaguPastaSauce
      @RaguPastaSauce Месяц назад +74

      @@tobysinbad They didn't until the Alola games dex entries. In gen 6, the gen they were introduced, it was described as a form that can only be done when there's a strong bond between pokemon and trainer.

    • @keithflippers4429
      @keithflippers4429 Месяц назад +38

      ​@RaguPastaSauce my theory is that the people of Alola wants people to focus on Z-moves instead so they gaslight trainers

    • @legendarytrainer5312
      @legendarytrainer5312 Месяц назад +1

      That's not the reason buddy 😂

    • @keithflippers4429
      @keithflippers4429 Месяц назад +7

      @@legendarytrainer5312 you just wanna disagree

  • @TyshaggyGaming
    @TyshaggyGaming Месяц назад +70

    While I *DO* love regional forms, the *ARE* *NOT* a viable replacement to make a pokemon relevant. That's like having a siamese cat, then saying "He ain't good enough" and replacing him with a tabby cat. You aren't fixing the problem by adding a new pokemon, but rather making the original *EVEN* *MORE* irrelevent.

  • @RaguPastaSauce
    @RaguPastaSauce Месяц назад +222

    I personally think Megas would have have been popular no matter what, but them being the first real generational gimmick hurt z-moves, dynamax and terrastalising. It cursed them to being compared to the more popular temporary gimmick. I know a lot of people that love a mega form of a pokemon even when they never cared for the base form previously.
    IDK anyone that loves Beedrill with Acid Downpour, 100 meter tall Beedrill, or a Beedrill that's been turned Grass from Tera specifically. They're just Beedrill. But loads of people love mega Beedrill and look at it separately from base Beedrill. They're more comparable to regional forms than the other regional gimmicks (except the mons with gigantamax forms). If your favorite pokemon was Alolan Ninetales and you were told it was never ever going to return after the Alola games, it'd only makes sense that you would wish it would come back, even if the original Kanto version would still be in the game. The same can be said for mega forms.
    Also, because they are technically temporary, they don't make the base form obsolete. I love Tyranitar and although I think Mega T-tar is a slight downgrade, because I can just not mega when I want, I can appreciate it as it's own thing. It's like I have 2 very similar mons sharing a slot on my team.

    • @joshyotoast
      @joshyotoast Месяц назад +25

      It's funny that you used beedrill as an example as it was hit by dexit twice. Poor Beedrill. Also this was the best take I've seen, alolan ninetails gone after one game and having the choice to not mega if you didn't want is the nail on the head.

    • @ZenoEditz.
      @ZenoEditz. Месяц назад +6

      this seems very accurate

    • @re0798
      @re0798 Месяц назад +1

      Yes I agree, but also the others don't look as cool. The only other one that does it is gigantamax. I'll be okay as long as it looks good, and that's how it is for a lot of pokemon fans. So the reason it is so popular is probably because it looks cool and edgy.

  • @Unovakid24
    @Unovakid24 Месяц назад +146

    Personally, i just think Mega Evolution is FUN. It's just so cool to see a Pokemon undergo an awesome transformation and being able to revert back so we can see it happen again and again, kinda like superhero transformation sequences. Sure, regional variants are permanent, but they're just not as cool and flashy

    • @collinherrin4596
      @collinherrin4596 Месяц назад +4

      I think the flashiness loses its edge almost immediately when in the main game i often never need to mega evolve and in a competitive since it often limits what pokemon you can use. Regional variants and the like are more permanent, expands the world building, can help pokemon out competitively, and is still cool. In other words all the upsides of megas without any of the downsides

    • @vivillonenthusiast781
      @vivillonenthusiast781 Месяц назад +16

      @@collinherrin4596 "can help pokemon out competitively" No it doesn't! Ninetales is just as useless as it ever was, the fact that Alolan NInetales was the best screens setter for some times does absolutely nothing for regular Ninetales.
      "In other words all the upsides of megas without any of the downsides" Except the stat boost, which is the main thing making Megas good. Look at Alolan Raticate or Galarian Stunfisk, both just as useless as their OG forms.

  • @Davanthall
    @Davanthall Месяц назад +19

    Its a super form. That's why they're so popular. Because the concept of Super Forms in general are popular. People LOVE Super Saiyan. People LOVE Super Sonic. Avatar State, Black Suit Spiderman, Golden Armor Wonder Woman, Fierce Deity Link...Mario, Naruto, Scott Pilgrim, Star V Forces of Evil, Amphibia- there are SO MANY franchises that try their hand at experimenting with the general concept of "Super Form", not necessarily always as a transformation but the basic premise of the idea of a form distinct from the characters usual form that improves their abilities and attributes, giving a significant boost to what they can do.
    Mega Evolutions are Pokemon's "Super Form", that's why they're the most popular.

  • @goldenprataclaw7682
    @goldenprataclaw7682 Месяц назад +27

    isn't having a small pool of mega Pokemon the best reason for people to want more mega Pokemons?

    • @harrisonsims7680
      @harrisonsims7680 13 дней назад +4

      On top of that too, if they kept giving pokemon new megas the pool of megas would have grown over time

  • @helixsol7171
    @helixsol7171 Месяц назад +444

    One thing I HATE about Furfrou having so many forms IS THAT THEY DON'T STICK IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE BOX! WHAT'S THE POINT OF ALL THE FORMS IF YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM ALL, OR ANY OF THEM IN OTHER GAMES?! THERE ARE NO FURFROU SALONS OUTSIDE OF X&Y!

    • @O.D25
      @O.D25 Месяц назад +52

      That‘s not the worst part.
      The worst part are all these Pokemon Home GTS troll who want for any new pokemon the most specific Furfrou form making it extra hard to complete the Dex.

    • @akilcharles3473
      @akilcharles3473 Месяц назад +12

      Probably be in Z-A if most of all Kalos Pokemon coming back.

    • @XIII_Vanitas
      @XIII_Vanitas Месяц назад +7

      there are no furfrou outside of xy either

    • @Kostyurik
      @Kostyurik Месяц назад +26

      @@XIII_Vanitas Pokemon GO not only have permanent Furfrou trims, but also the only source of them for Pokemon HOME

    • @MistaFinni
      @MistaFinni Месяц назад +11

      The thing that excited me about the megas were the diverging timelines. ALL of the lore from gen 4-7 were my favorite

  • @maromania7
    @maromania7 Месяц назад +165

    Have you ever actually looked at...basically any Alola dex? Half the entries are just "BUTTERFREE ARE CONSTANTLY IN VIOLENT TURF WARS!!!!" and the other half are "Yeah some researcher counted 28 geodude on X road because they have too much free time." They are very different from every other region. So yeah they added some "you are hurting the pokemon" stuff. They also added "this pokemon hangs out near playgrounds so it can stalk the children back home to break into thier room at night." and "Yeah people been thirsting after machoke forEVER, look we'll even put some people doing just that just to emphasize."

    • @presidenttogekiss635
      @presidenttogekiss635 Месяц назад +34

      And the funny thing is that its not even played for drama in the games.
      It´s just there, like, "Isnt Vikavolt cute? It will totally eat you though, lmao"

    • @darcieclements4880
      @darcieclements4880 Месяц назад +5

      I always thought machoke was ugly salamander with gill slit arms. Never understood that suggestion. GF has said the sex is generally treated as an afterthought with no direct connection to the rest of the game. Including the weird sizes and weights.

  • @pkmntrainermark8881
    @pkmntrainermark8881 Месяц назад +34

    "Megas had their own Dex entries."
    I mean, not in Gen VI.

  • @5h0ckblock
    @5h0ckblock Месяц назад +18

    I mean, if the biggest argument against mega is not every poke has one, then the obvious solution would be to just make more. Just go nuts.

  • @xion0713
    @xion0713 Месяц назад +276

    I think the issue with comparing regional variants to megas is that regional variants are permanent you can see it as kind of outright replacing the design where as megas only lasting for that battle allows you to keep the old design while still having the power up

    • @queerios9925
      @queerios9925 Месяц назад +24

      Regional variants make more sense in the world building than megas. It reflects real world evolution...look at the different sub species we have.

    • @Gloomdrake
      @Gloomdrake Месяц назад +44

      @@queerios9925if something has to reflect the real world to make sense, that’s boring

    • @CloutmasterPhluphyy
      @CloutmasterPhluphyy Месяц назад +8

      ​@@Gloomdrakeyou can find so many people applying real life logic to fictional media and complaining that it doesn't work like it does in real life so it's a lose lose

    • @collinherrin4596
      @collinherrin4596 Месяц назад +5

      ​@@Gloomdrakeit's not that it HAS to be realistic but in this case it does genuinely help from a world building standpoint and from a gameplay stand point as it encourages transferring and trading pokemon

    • @terrjackson9283
      @terrjackson9283 Месяц назад +8

      what's cooler than gettin a rush if dopamine seeing ur buddie become more badass once when they evolve? seeing them get cooler over & over again! simple, especially for folks like me with barely any visual memory at all hehe

  • @presidenttogekiss635
    @presidenttogekiss635 Месяц назад +214

    A third important point: while the "only 28 megas" criticism has validation, it is, by itself, also an oportunity. Because it means that just like every new gen can introduce new pokemon, it can also introduce new megas.
    The other gimmicks already came almost fully baked.

    • @vegladex
      @vegladex Месяц назад +38

      I think that's the point he was making with the crisps, but I agree with you, I don't think that's "giving megas undeserved hype" like he makes out. The fact that the rest of them are things that you can see once and then immediately extrapolate to guess what they'll do to any other pokemon takes all the anticipation out of it. And it IS saitsfying to see and acquire new Megas, because they're not just new designs, they're *special!*

    • @luishenriquefalconifilho2124
      @luishenriquefalconifilho2124 Месяц назад +15

      "Because it means that just like every new gen can introduce new pokemon, it can also introduce new megas." - I think there's a fundamental difference here. We don't know which new Pokémon are being added in the new gen because, of course, they're new. While we "know" which Pokémon can get a Mega, every one that already exists, which creates expectations. People don't really have expectations for new Pokémon that we don't know exist, while each gen will always have the "Why didn't you add a Mega to this Pokémon?" or "Why did you add a Mega to this Pokémon?" problems. I have a thought at the back of my mind sometimes that people have alreasdy put so much hype into a potential Mega Flygon that their disappointment will always be there, either because Mega Flygon doesn't exist in Z-A or because the Mega Flygon we get will never meet those expectations.

    • @MikePhantom
      @MikePhantom Месяц назад +16

      @@luishenriquefalconifilho2124 and then we ended up with Charizard getting ALL the gimmicks fully baked any people hated it. BECAUSE introducing a NEW gimmick means no iteration but PLAYING IT SAFE.
      As much as a i love the Charizard line I know WHY he gets all gimmicks: MARKETING.
      It explains WHY the first megas had popular pokemon as the first because marketing wise safe to do so.
      but megas could have been EASILY iterated upon and even put megas through different means. HECK the primal forms of groudon and kyogre is the very first step into that. Z moves and dynamaxx could have been EASILY folded INTO the idea of mega evolution, even terreastrialize. so OTHER pokemon could have gotten those different type of mega evolution. Z moves could have been Mega Evololved Moves and dynamaxx could have been a mega form that indicated the form is already perfect but the size empowers the already perfect form. terrastialize could have been a Mega evolution of type instead (since it already happened with Charizard X).
      But why would that help you may ask:
      you have to choose WHICH one you want to use. it would mean that you can NOT use all four as in alola you could Z move and mega evolve. so the meta asked you to have both. If it were under the same umbrella you could only have ONE per battle, BUT you can chose which type you can use depending on situation.
      - do i want to stat boost my ace?
      - do i want to use one SUPER attack to finish off a pokemon?
      - do i want to use chungus for what ever that chungus can do?
      - or do i want to use a type swap for that pokemon i have left but has a weakness to at least 2-3 pokemon of the enemy?
      as the gimmicks are now they are meant to be different, have different sources of power and thus technically can ALL be used at once in a battle. Its not iteration is trying to catch lightning in a bottle again. With diminishing returns in terms of likability and something to be ignored because it will not return and pokemon will still be stuck in a bad developed state.
      Iteration in ONE mechanic and keeping it around could have VERY much so made pokemon more interesting over all and probably led to a development cycle that didn't end up with a glitch ridden, uninspired and incompetent mess.

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Месяц назад +8

      Only 28 megas is a mistake that I have always thought explained why it never came back. I always thought that it really was the intent to keep making new megas, because of the policy that only Pokemon from the first 5 generations got them. It was their first idea for refreshing the designs of old Pokemon that has a gameplay effect, but it turns out to be a really negative effect even on the single player experience. One big problem with it IMO is the simple fact that no one remembers the gen VI starters as fondly in their own games as the gen I starters, and their own generation as the Gen III starters. Even though they have really cool designs and a neat take on the starter rock paper scissors, they don't have mega forms, which is the only reason why you are offered a free Gen I starter later in the game as a tutorial on how the mechanic works. They could and probably should have saved the Gen I starter megas for the Lets Go games, but who knows when the idea for Lets Go came around. Hindsight is 20/20, and the Pokemon company needed a lot of player feedback before they would play test a game without this design choice. I can totally see Alolan exeggutor being a mega design originally before changing the intent because it's easier to balance regional variants, and not having to account for the player absolutely having access to a ridiculously powerful pokemon like a mega on their team helps the encounter designers make trainer battles that actually challenge the player. I distinctly remember people complaining about how easy X and Y were, and then saying that Sun andoon were noticeably harder, especially the Elite 4. I wonder how much that was because in gen VI the player is basically forced to have multiple Pokemon that can mega evolve while most of the Elites don't; whereas the Elites in Sun and Moon have all the same tools at their disposal as you do. Other than the usual cheese like items, of course.

    • @MrShirotomo
      @MrShirotomo 28 дней назад +2

      ​@formlessone8246 I want to counter the point on the Gen 6 starters, Greninja was literally the most popular pokemon of all time despite not having a Mega. Though you can sorta say it got it later with Ash-Greninja. I want to say the Delphox line got more popular with Braixen's inclusion in Pokken. Chesnaught.... well not all of them are winners every gen lol.

  • @mannythelazyguy6529
    @mannythelazyguy6529 28 дней назад +16

    i dont get the
    "we as gamefreak want you to use these 10 viable megas only"
    arguments when they already do that, its not like the pokemon madee themselves into the game, the same guy who decided blaziken needed a mega probably was the one saying we need to make urchifu go through protect

  • @MobiusGT
    @MobiusGT Месяц назад +11

    sounds like your only point is that is that there aren't enough megas. so the only way to fix it is to go all in with more megas

  • @nullpoint3346
    @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +861

    The negative lore _only exists_ *because* _they were getting rid of it._

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 Месяц назад +101

      Boy did that move backfire on Pokémon.
      Dynamax could’ve been better if there was something that kept it in check and the same with Terastal.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +67

      The idea of Mega Evolution is my hill, and I'll use the bodies of my enemies to turn it into a space scrapping mountain.
      We can argue about the implementation on nearly even ground.

    • @nullpoint3346
      @nullpoint3346 Месяц назад +86

      I don't hate Tera, I hate that the only idea they had for the form was _stupid_ hats.
      The creepy eyes hinting towards something darker was neat, but the darkness was a terrible implementation of the null type.

    • @joshuabennett8256
      @joshuabennett8256 Месяц назад +12

      Thank Arkoos someone else said it. I felt like I was in an echo chamber

    • @itsturniptime3699
      @itsturniptime3699 Месяц назад +23

      I’m not sure if this is entirely true as we only got those dex entries in Gen 7 but Pokémon like Tyranitar and Steelix clearly show certain parts of their bodies being damaged or blown out so I feel like this energy oversurge Pokémon go through was planned from the start
      If they were planned to be temporary it’s weird to make them also in pain but then also only add the pain context in the games after

  • @1997Nightwing
    @1997Nightwing Месяц назад +517

    “Mega Evolution is childish” is a funny conclusion to reach as if that means anything for a children’s multimedia franchise. It’s like saying Super Saiyan is too childish for Dragon Ball.

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +7

      All ages

    • @96ace96
      @96ace96 Месяц назад +43

      'Being childish' is not a criticism. It's a flavor.

    • @TaliesinMyrddin
      @TaliesinMyrddin Месяц назад +32

      I don't think he meant it's childish so it's bad, I interpreted it more as 'it speaks to the childhood hype we had and feeds into that aspect of the nostalgia'

    • @1997Nightwing
      @1997Nightwing Месяц назад +44

      @@TaliesinMyrddin No that is very clearly his stance, he actively makes fun of the fans that like Mega Evolution at the end of the video. Not a bad thing, he’s obviously just joking around and it’s just his opinion, but doesn’t really change that he’s trying to paint over it like the fans that like the mechanic are overrating it, are silly for liking it, etc.

    • @SinNun-tx5jp
      @SinNun-tx5jp Месяц назад +1

      They could've done something better though

  • @bubblesdoodles
    @bubblesdoodles Месяц назад +42

    The big difference between megas and dynamax/gigantamax + Tera for me is that mega evolution felt like it added to the battling, as almost a creative way to change a pokemons stats and sometimes typing. Dynamax either pulled battles to a halt by tanking/blocking all damage, or diminishing options into just throwing huge attacks for 3 turns. I like how megas are partially predictable being on specific pokemon, and costing you an item slot. Unlike Tera, which is mostly an unpredictable wildcard that can come out of nowhere with no true cost. (Not to mention tera raids are the least fun thing for me ever). If megas stayed for two more generations, we would likely have at least 60 different mega evolutions by now, taking away the problem of only having “6 or 7 options where one has to be on the team”.

    • @TheRezignator
      @TheRezignator Месяц назад +11

      The problem there is that Mega's take effort and if theres one thing Gamefreak has shown it's that they don't want to put effort into Pokemon anymore.

    • @joegamergaming
      @joegamergaming Месяц назад +1

      This

    • @bubblesdoodles
      @bubblesdoodles Месяц назад

      @@TheRezignator Unfortunately not…

    • @FranciscoJG
      @FranciscoJG Месяц назад +3

      @@TheRezignator That explains a lot actually

    • @legendarytrainer5312
      @legendarytrainer5312 Месяц назад +1

      Predictable megas weren't great at all. Tbh Dynamaxing was more enjoyable & made things more intense. You could mega evolve & die immediately * cough cough lucario & tyranitar*

  • @djroscurro9859
    @djroscurro9859 Месяц назад +24

    21:53 This is what I think personally.
    For me, it was never the idea or nostalgia that sold me. Because I wasn't even a Pokemon fan before megas were introduced.
    The execution worked in my opinion. Seeing my Pokemon basically go all out for my team was always so cathardic to see for me. It's the culmination of the bond the player builds with them, which is a big theme IN Pokemon.
    That's the big difference from regional variants for me, as they're pokemon that adapted to different biomes. Both are awesome for completely different reasons.
    [Pretty much the main comment. The rest is thoughts on the vid itself.]
    I do agree with some parts of this video. I agree that it definitely didn't help Pokemon that would've needed it, and that more options should be available. And I 100% understand that you don't personally enjoy it as much.
    But more and more this kinda also feels like a dig at mega evolution and fans of it.
    Like that whole segment with Arlo's post kind of annoyed me? Felt like you were being a pretty dismissive. "You don't REALLY like this, you like the idea of it." Somewhat (unintentionally) implying that people can't just.. enjoy megas??
    Or that whole section kind of implying people who like mega evolution are pretty much "childish".
    It'd be one thing if this was just you sharing your personal thoughts on mega evolution, but you're also pulling opinions from others saying that they only enjoy it for nostalgia. Or that they enjoy it for the hype, but that somehow makes them "shallow" or "childish". That's odd to me.

    • @thelonemask
      @thelonemask Месяц назад +4

      In other words, he’s cherry picking comments that just make his points more valid.

  • @GDukeRaptor
    @GDukeRaptor Месяц назад +127

    Counterpoint: Beedrill, Pidgeot, Absol, Sableeye, Aggron, Pinsir, Heracross.
    While POPULAR, do you really see them that often in teams until Mega Evolution came around and beefed them up?

    • @erpedro1630
      @erpedro1630 Месяц назад +29

      Or lopunny. Who uses lopunny without it's mega evolution? It made certain Pokémon useful, and that's cool

    • @cesarflamenco9484
      @cesarflamenco9484 Месяц назад +11

      And even then, most of those Mega Evolutions are passed over for more competitively viable ones.

    • @Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat
      @Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat Месяц назад +17

      @@cesarflamenco9484 but not all of them. previously low tier mons like charizard, lopunny, pincir, medicham all were OU in gen 6. even mons like sabeleye mawile and kangaskan went all the way up to ubers. there's honestly a lot more of an equal balance to "good mon good mega" and "bad mon good mega" in ubers and ou than people give it credit for.
      the fact that mega kangaskhan of all mons was out performing something like mega garchomp shows that it wasnt just the good mons doing well

    • @DemiIsNotHere
      @DemiIsNotHere Месяц назад +5

      Ill say it.
      Regular Salamance was doing pretty bad.
      It jut got too overtuned.
      Same with Mega ray.
      And the primals should use your mega slot
      No one complains about mega ttar
      There, megas balanced

    • @erpedro1630
      @erpedro1630 Месяц назад

      @@Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat I remember everyone using Mega Gengar and me having fun using Mega Lopunny. Also, Mega Alakazam was quite strong, but super fragile, which made fighting it fun

  • @nerdinahoodie7972
    @nerdinahoodie7972 Месяц назад +173

    I think Megas, in general feed back into the very concept of Pokémon. "Having a loyal companion who you form an unbreakable bond with and achieve your goals alongside." This is a core part of Pokémon's appeal, and I think it was a big part of why dexxit hurt so many. The loss of your loyal companion. Megas take that idea to the next level. "Our unbreakable bond given physical form." Z-Moves sorta keep this concept alive, but Dynamax and Terastalize completely lose that "bond" angle. Mechanically, Tera is EASILY the best gimmick but lacks that feedback into the thesis statement of Pokémon.

    • @Saiyan0X
      @Saiyan0X Месяц назад +30

      It works because it shows that Pokemon is your ACE, like people have many favorites characters in smash bros, but only one Main. This is why it works so well.

    • @Nimi450
      @Nimi450 Месяц назад +18

      EXACTLY, the bond with the pokemons is what gives Mega evolution it's uniqueness compared to the rest.

    • @sithdude2436
      @sithdude2436 Месяц назад +16

      ​@@Saiyan0XThis is a big part of it! I want to be like Ash, I want to have my own signature Pokémon. Mega evolutions are a great way to represent that enhanced bond.

    • @terrjackson9283
      @terrjackson9283 Месяц назад +4

      ohhh, yes I luv this! it's true, this fits with my experience of it being the last of the era before immersion was broken for me with Pokemon mainline series

    • @frankcaggiano8282
      @frankcaggiano8282 Месяц назад

      "We bonded so good, I'm hurting you now! Thanks, cockfight slave! :)"

  • @Juju2927
    @Juju2927 Месяц назад +30

    "A gimmick that not all pokemon can use" not only that, but also a gimmick that none of the Pokemon from the Gen it was introduced in can use.
    In retrospect, it flabbergast me that there was no Megas of the Gen 6 starters or some specific Pokemon.
    It's so obvious it's a missed opportunity that they had to invent an anime reason for Ash Greninja.

    • @kairiakida
      @kairiakida Месяц назад +11

      THIS. THANK YOU.
      One of my major beefs with megas has always been how it makes Kalos as a whole feel like less its own thing and more like an excuse to pander to (arguably overindulgent) nostalgia.
      I would likely not have as many issues with megas if:
      1. It wasn't a gimmick confined to Pokémon OUTSIDE the generation it was introduced in, or
      2. It was introduced in a remake or sequel of an older gen.

  • @DeutchPleuw
    @DeutchPleuw Месяц назад +8

    What kid didn’t think “hey, what if charizard evolved AGAIN” and then lost their mind?? Of COURSE it’s the most popular, it’s a school yard myth made real, the others are actually just gimmicks, megas appealed to something more

  • @loxeresczech439
    @loxeresczech439 Месяц назад +82

    I definetly wouldn't say Regional Form revitalize old Pokémon in a better way than Megas. They are basically a new Pokémon in an old Pokémon's coat, while Mega Evolution iterates upon the Pokémon's base. Like Galarian Zigzagoon is in my top 5 favorite Pokémon, while i couldn't really give a rat's buttocks about regular Zigzagoon. Meanwhile Mega Mawhile turned regular Mawhile into my favorite Steel type.

    • @massimilianoreali4398
      @massimilianoreali4398 Месяц назад

      Yes but the problem remained the same you don't love mawhile you love her mega that is basically the same thing with zigzagoon i don't love his base form but i love his regional form you are just replacing the worl regional form with mega and you obtain the same thing

    • @loxeresczech439
      @loxeresczech439 Месяц назад +18

      @massimilianoreali4398 Not at all. It made me appreciate Mawhile's design through the comparison with its 'ultimate' form. I grew to love the little gal throughout my journey across Alola, as I prepared myself to finally Mega Evolve her towards the end of the game. I've used her countless times before and even after obtaining Mawhilite in her regular form, as one does naturally tend to limit their use of the mechanic (it's not as big of a spectacle if used too often, as well as being a bit of an overkill against regular NPCs).

    • @massimilianoreali4398
      @massimilianoreali4398 Месяц назад

      @@loxeresczech439 explain to me why this would'nt happen with a ragional variant

    • @loxeresczech439
      @loxeresczech439 Месяц назад +18

      @massimilianoreali4398 Okay... If I am using a Galarian Slowbro, I don't get to use a regular Slowbro. It's just another similar Pokémon.
      If I am using Mega Slowbro, I get to use Slowbro and see what makes Slowbro a Slowbro.

    • @SuperFroakie82
      @SuperFroakie82 Месяц назад +9

      Regional forms to me are best when they just expand upon an existing design, but are still recognizably the same basic design. But when they add new evolutions that are basically their own thing it annoys me cuz it makes it seem like the regional form is just superior to the originals now, and the original really should have gotten an evolution too. Stuff like alolan raichu could have easily been a split evolution, and sirfetched could have just been farfetched’s evolution, but instead it’s an exclusive regional form, and it feels more like it’s taking away from the original and basically replacing them.

  • @veen6847
    @veen6847 Месяц назад +78

    New gimmicks feel like a mega evolution wannabe, especially dynamaxing and gigantamaxing, they may be balanced by a competitive standpoint but megas feel deeply intertwined with the core of Pokémon itself, which is forming a stronger bond with your Pokémon, breaching as stated the limit of the two evolution rule. Hell if regional variants/convergent/paradoxes came out before, people would still want megas of them too, since they are a new-iteration of a concept instead of a continuation of a concept itself.

    • @Nefnoj
      @Nefnoj Месяц назад +17

      Dynamaxing feels like a "since we can't realistically make every Pokémon mega, we'll just make them big instead", making it more accessible to strategy without the depth of the individual Pokémon.
      I can't really say the same for the other gimmicks though.

    • @veen6847
      @veen6847 Месяц назад +7

      @@Nefnoj tera is very fun competitively but only with an open sheet format, it's just too unpredictable by itself tho

    • @Nefnoj
      @Nefnoj Месяц назад

      @@veen6847 I was wondering! I haven't played the game it's from, I know it plays with changing Pokémon types and that Mega Evolution and Regional Variants do the same to lesser control, but didn't know the drawbacks aside from a Pokémon with a giant hat looking a little silly.

    • @formlessone8246
      @formlessone8246 Месяц назад +6

      ​​@@Nefnojimagine if a Pokemon had three types. That's basically Tera typing in a nutshell: you swap out your defensive attributes for the third type when activated, but retain STAB on all attacks of your regular type. Doing so entirely rebalances certain types like Ice which have bad defensive traits, and creates new opportunities for creative play styles. Like, I have an Umbreon build that relies on the way Curse interacts differently with ghosts as all other Pokemon. So I use it as both a setup move, then later terrastalize so I can use it as a status condition. It's super janky I admit, but I can't help but love it. Another Eeveelution trick is the Guts Flareon build that gives it a flame or and terra Normal typing. Until you activate it's terra type, it can't be burned, so you have time to setup with speed increases, then terrastalize it to activate the flame orb and go to town with crazy powerful takedown or Last Resort damage. Terrastalize feels like one of the more brainy gimmicks like Z-moves, unlike megas which were all about the stat lines.

    • @markthomaskiec2453
      @markthomaskiec2453 Месяц назад +2

      Even then they aren't always balanced, especially in the sense of dynamaxing

  • @dragonman011
    @dragonman011 Месяц назад +12

    Is "it looks cool and is pretty fun to see happen" really not a viable-enough reason for people to like things anymore, though. Does it always gotta have a "Well I guess, even though it's childish/silly/weird/nostalgia-baity" backhand to it? Would definitely be one thing to just state your opinion, not like anyone has a reason to get offended over thoughts, but idk... the way it was stated does feel pretty condescending towards fans who actually like it.
    Like I'm a casual Pokemon fan. I really like mega evos. Not cause they're nostalgic at this point or cause I'm settling for junk food... They're just a cool idea and no other big gimmick since has really hit as hard, even if some come close. 'Nuff said.

  • @CJMoody
    @CJMoody Месяц назад +8

    I honestly wouldn't have considered adding a Pinsir to my party until I saw the mega evolve form for it. Without a Pinsirite, vikavolt is easily the superior stag beetle pokemon.

  • @jeremytorres5622
    @jeremytorres5622 Месяц назад +87

    Its simply because Mega-evolution to me feels the most fleshed out, its not just a single use attack or 3 turns to do the same generic moves its a full on different form with different stats often a different ability combined with a different design. like it very much feels like alot more care and intrest was put into megas because they change so much on a base level plus i mean they can be new forms for old pokemon like kangeskhan who wouldnt really suit getting a regular evolution

    • @Yamartim
      @Yamartim Месяц назад +5

      you can literally say the same thing about regional forms and paradox, that's not unique to megas

    • @jeremytorres5622
      @jeremytorres5622 Месяц назад +13

      @@Yamartim yes you can and I would also be annoyed if regional forms or paradoxes got removed. But as of now they haven't which I'm happy about but if they were suddenly only in spin off games I'd be kinda peeved

    • @alexanderkrizak
      @alexanderkrizak Месяц назад +1

      @@jeremytorres5622 I actually WAS kinda annoyed by the very low number of Paldean regional forms. Like, I understand that they wanted to have some fun with both convergent evolution and Paradox Pokémon, but I do wish they'd given us more than the two.
      I also don't think there will be more Paradox Pokémon after this generation, but at least the ones we have will be carried over. (Unless they get dexit'd.)

    • @Gloomdrake
      @Gloomdrake Месяц назад +5

      @@alexanderkrizakI wish we’d gotten a Paldean Meowth. Meowth should have gotten a new Regional Variant every game going forward. They already gave it two in a row. They should have doubled down

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +1

      “Generic” idk zmoves and dynamax gave moves a lot of personality

  • @darkagestudio3843
    @darkagestudio3843 Месяц назад +404

    - Megaevolution hurt pokemon!!!
    - Guess what!? Pokemon Battles hurts too!!!

    • @sptflcrw8583
      @sptflcrw8583 Месяц назад +52

      EXACTLY

    • @aracharsley7357
      @aracharsley7357 Месяц назад +38

      There is a stark difference to a boxer getting beat up in the ring and being tortured to unlock some sort of inner power.

    • @MaineMaineJr
      @MaineMaineJr Месяц назад +7

      @@aracharsley7357 that part

    • @darkagestudio3843
      @darkagestudio3843 Месяц назад +58

      @@aracharsley7357 there is a stark difference to a boxer gettin beat up in the ring and a little pikachu been torched alive by a Flametrower, or been trowed in to a Earthquake, or been drived to madness by a Psych, or...

    • @O.D25
      @O.D25 Месяц назад +40

      THANK YOU!
      Geez, why do people choose to Go full team Plasma when it comes to Mega Evolution alone?

  • @emanueleragazzi341
    @emanueleragazzi341 Месяц назад +31

    My guy, they just look the coolest out of every single gimmick. It's literally that simple. "Oh but the meta is centralised around them!", yeah, because it's not centralised around Flutter Mane and Incineroar right now (and for the case of the latter for the last 6 years), Zacian in SwSh, and it may be centralised about Miraidon soon. Every metagame is centralised around specific Pokémon. "Oh but they were unbalanced!", yeah, Zacian and Calyrex clearly seem balanced, and a Kaiju-sized mon throwing Z-moves around for three turns is clearly balanced! "Oh wouldn't it be better if they were regional variants?", no. They are not the same thing, and trying to pretend they are is dumb. A regional variant doesn't make the original Pokémon viable, it makes the VARIANT viable. "Oh but the other mechanics were more balanced, they were accessible to any Pokémon!", yeah, and when's the last time you saw Pidgeot on a team? Or beedril? Or Absol? Or maybe Banette, have you seen it? Heracross perhaps? Pinsir perchance? Never? Yeah, never, because the new mechanics just get used by the already best Pokémon around. "Oh but the Pokémon get hurt during the transformation!", oh yeah, let's take the Alolan Dex descriptions as immutable facts when in no other part of the canon is said anything remotely similar to this. No Pokémon are shown hurting, no Pokémon are shown suffering, no nothing. Please, the Alolan Dex was such a blatant way to make Megas unappealing because they were trying to push Z Moves and trying to move away from them, since they didn't even make new ones in those games. It's retcon at its finest, and you have to be blind to not see that
    The entirety of this video is just confirmation bias after confirmation bias, not actually trying to understand the question you are posing, which is fairly simple to answer: Megas look the coolest, and the majority of people only play casually

  • @lazerith84
    @lazerith84 Месяц назад +9

    I feel like it's because Mega's were an actual part of your team - Gigantamax can only be used in certain places - Tera has to be recharged ... Mega could be used every battle - IMO

  • @anbuagent12
    @anbuagent12 Месяц назад +254

    "Man spends 20 minutes defending his exceedingly unpopular opinion" is my favorite type of youtube video.

    • @danilogomes8195
      @danilogomes8195 Месяц назад +51

      And he put megas into his own series too. Weird that he didn't bring it up.

    • @mitwhitgaming7722
      @mitwhitgaming7722 Месяц назад +8

      I see you are also an Arlo fan. 🤣

  • @rho-starmkl4483
    @rho-starmkl4483 Месяц назад +40

    And then there’s Mega Altaria. It was our only Dragon/Fairy Pokemon and it’s stuck in Gen 6&7.

  • @ThePrestoGuitar
    @ThePrestoGuitar Месяц назад +6

    Personally, I think it might actually be due to the personalization of Pokemon- that being, everyone has their own favorites, and even if YOURS doesn't have a Mega Evolution yet, you might see it in the future if they bring Megas back, y'know?

  • @AkaRyuusei97
    @AkaRyuusei97 27 дней назад +4

    I hate regional variants with a passion
    I keep seeing people say it brings new life to a Pokémon when they really do pretty much nothing to the original version and it's usually the new regional variant that maintains a good amount of relevance after introduction in multiple aspects when compared to the original
    Like, if they gave the original Zigzagoon a new 3rd stage evolution at the same time Galarian Zigzagoon was introducedor if regular Ninetails had the same or a similar utility and/or power that Alolan Ninetails does then I would've been completely fine with those

  • @Excellsion
    @Excellsion Месяц назад +168

    As many others have said, the "Mega Evolution hurts pokemon" thing was only introduced in gen 7, and SO TRANSPARENTLY reads like some other person that didn't like the concept finding a way to make it "canonically awful."
    A bunch of people basically throw that out as easily as mentions of "Indian Elephants" in old pokedex entries because it plainly does not fit (or get treated that way in anything except retroactive dex entries.)

    • @O.D25
      @O.D25 Месяц назад +43

      Plus a thing that I NEVER hear from the people who are saying is that Gigantamax forms can canonically _also_ hurt the Pokemon. Like Toxicitry.
      Also, its not like the Pokedex is the most reliable thing ever, claiming that Absol is the bringer of misfortune and then later correcting it to **warn** about misfortune. So who knows if Alolan researchers weren‘t just wrong.

    • @zerogravitee
      @zerogravitee Месяц назад +14

      I disagree. Not only would it be silly to think game freak would deliberately try to make it look like a mechanic in their own game is bad (like, inherently that's just silly. They could just not put them in), it also completely ignores the rest of gen 7s pokedex being just as dark.
      Guess game freak wanted us to also hate using primeape because he suffers from heart attacks in anger? Or Gengar hunting and killing people? All of gen 7 was darker, that's just how the dex entries were written. No point trying to cherry pick them for conspiracy theories.

    • @Excellsion
      @Excellsion Месяц назад +23

      @zerogravitee Fine then. By your own admission: *Many gen 7 Pokedex entries* are dark.
      It just so happens, however, that those are the only ones that exist for megas. They are basically slandered without the chance for a "second opinion / perspective," like Absol got Pokedex - wise.
      We wind up at exactly the same spot where those Pokedex entries don't match up with how megas are presented in the rest of the franchise.
      I will admit it is definitely conspiracy theory territory that they tried to make us hate the concept retroactively before ditching it with other "baggage" in gen 8.
      *But it doesn't really matter.*
      Megas were presented as positive *everywhere* except the (oddly dark) gen 7 dex entries, so people are willing to throw out the outlier in their headcanon because it straight up makes more sense.
      All in all, citing stupid edgelord dex entries that conflict with everything else is a shaky example when dismissing Mega Pokemon. That's all.

    • @MrMisutei
      @MrMisutei Месяц назад +7

      Honestly this debate is kinda dumb because NOT ALL mega-evolution entries were dark and hurtful therefore mega evolution in general is not totally bad.

    • @Excellsion
      @Excellsion Месяц назад +2

      @MrMisutei There were like 4 positive ones. The grand majority were oddly dark.

  • @kampy19
    @kampy19 Месяц назад +76

    Is it really that hard to believe that old Pokemon getting new, more powerful forms with cool new designs is popular? It's the same reason regional forms are so popular. Super Saiyans are cool. I also feel like the competitive argument is a little disingenuous. The VGC meta *always* ends up warping around, like, 15 Pokemon. That's nothing new and new gimmicks haven't really changed that meaningfully.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +12

      It's as if they added a new evolution. That's it, happens all the time.
      In fact, the most interesting part for competitive is that you can only use one Mega, and that they have to hold an item, meaning you need to consider during Team Building which mon to use, and if another item might be better.
      It's genuinely the most interesting Part of making a Nat Dex Team on Showdown for me.

    • @aruakise9803
      @aruakise9803 Месяц назад +7

      ​@Sigmund_Froid Plus for more proof Rayquaza being free to have whatever item it wants was one of the bigger reasons why Mega Ray was so obscene.
      As for the VGC argument I think the fact that ignoring Garchomp even the better and already good Pokemon with Megas played around both normal and mega forms. Like Blaziken doing better overall in its regular form over the mega, Tyranitar faking you out, etc.
      We have proof of it existing alongside other gimmicks with its presence in Gen 7. And of course Gamefreak both isn't the best at balance to begin with and also they only really care to make the attempt for VGC/doubles which has went from yeah they mostly designed it with x in mind to we only design with this in mind.

    • @Rashyboy05
      @Rashyboy05 Месяц назад +15

      He's kind of ignoring the fact that Mega Ray was a pretty rare restricted Pokemon in the VGC season it won the World Championship with because most people would rather run Primal Groudon/Kyogre + Xerneas. Lockstin is cherrypicking that you *need* to run Mega Ray just because it's on the team of the winner of that VGC season.

    • @legendarytrainer5312
      @legendarytrainer5312 Месяц назад

      Yea that's why I love gigantamaxing because megas are like super saiyan and gigantamaxing are like super saiyn 100😂

  • @henriquebecker4453
    @henriquebecker4453 Месяц назад +11

    I hate this historicall revisionism of "oh, megas weren't as popular as you remember" stuf. Having few pokemon that could mega evolve *was* part of what made it so intresting, unlike z-moves and Gigantamax you had a very select grupe of pokemon that could megaevolve, making the hipe for who would get a megaevolution next grow exponentially. Also, the anime drove the hipe for megas in to an absurd degree, while z-moves just needed a dance and Gigantamax needed you to battle in a soccer stadium, mega (lore wise, at least) needed you to bound with your partner in order to access this temporary boost.

  • @siraaron4462
    @siraaron4462 Месяц назад +7

    I think timing played a role in the perception of Mega evolutions but I also think that's only one piece in the brilliant and iconic presentation of mega evolition. - it's hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice, but I don't think Z moves or gigantimax would have scratched the same itch has either of them been first.

  • @jpbo98
    @jpbo98 Месяц назад +130

    I always read the “megas hurts the mon” as the result of what happens when the bond between trainer and pokémon is not strong.
    Especially because it’s usually presented in the games and shows as the peak of the bond between trainer and Pokémon.

    • @dusty0896
      @dusty0896 Месяц назад +11

      Yeah I can see that

    • @Obbels
      @Obbels Месяц назад +1

      See above

    • @peteman9032
      @peteman9032 Месяц назад +5

      Same! The trainer bears the power of the transformation along with the Pokemon! Thats why I think in Z-A the bosses could be enraged wild Megas that have no partner

    • @regionfuego6
      @regionfuego6 29 дней назад +4

      Hell, the Mega Lucario dex entry is basically what happened in the anime when Korrina failed her mega evolution.

  • @flotskryz
    @flotskryz Месяц назад +254

    Megas were unbalanced but it seems people like transformations/power ups, like most media have one: one piece, goku, naruto, power rangers, etc.

    • @xion0713
      @xion0713 Месяц назад +6

      exactly this!

    • @Gohka
      @Gohka Месяц назад +14

      You're not wrong people do like that, but the first ones are still always the most popular. Goku turning Super Saiyan for the first time against Freeza is far more renowned than Gohan's SSJ2 or even Goku's SSJ3. Same for Luffy, I even remember people complaining about gear 4, because it was "so ugly".
      I mean Dyna/Gigantamax were transformations and people's opinion of them were extremely mixed.

    • @akilcharles3473
      @akilcharles3473 Месяц назад +8

      Didn't know Goku was the name of show but okay!

    • @EmeralBookwise
      @EmeralBookwise Месяц назад +14

      Certain specific Mega Evolutions were unbalanced, not the mechanic as a whole, but the same is true even of regular evolutions. Every single generation, Smogon will ban specific Pokémon because they break the meta. Heck, even in Gen6, not all of the Pokémon who got banned were Megas.

    • @darcidious99
      @darcidious99 Месяц назад +10

      The thing with that though is that none of the gimmicks were balanced. You give eevee a unique 2x omni boost and it can baton pass with z moves? Thats disgusting in doubles when you can have a 2nd teammate force hits with follow me. Tera requires shedinja to not exist otherwise sandstorm/burn/toxic would be needed on every team due to air balloon electric tera. Gmax lapras can just setup an aurora veil? ... Honestly idk which Gmax form was broken but know people also didn't think it was balanced.

  • @MenolExarkun
    @MenolExarkun Месяц назад +3

    Mega Evolution made me include Ampharos in my team, even nowadays I gave my Ampharos the Dragon Tera Type.
    Mega Evolution is like watching Goku becoming Super Saiyan or a Super Sentai power-up, maybe that's why a whole generation loved this mechanic (including me).

  • @MonoHerobrine
    @MonoHerobrine Месяц назад +4

    I feel like if Mega Evolution was never a thing, Z-Moves, Dynamax, Teras, and even regional forms, paradox, as well as convergent Pokémon would never have been a thing. Maybe regional forms I'd give a pass for existing still. Megas took the first step so that all these new ideas could come forward, in my opinion. As a casual Pokémon player, ever though they weren't balanced at all, I loved megas the most. It's like a lot of people say, its the Super Saiyan for Pokémon, even when looking at fan games or roms, Megas are still plentiful. In Radical Red, they simply made the Gigantamax Pokémon into Megas. Competitively, they are the worst, but from a casual standpoint, from the designs, anime, and the overall "cool" factor, it will always be one of my favourite things added to Pokémon.
    Side Note: My original name was MegaHerobrine for a while but after about two years I got into DanganRonpa and changed it.

  • @CrossTrash
    @CrossTrash Месяц назад +135

    I LOVE Megas from a story perspective. They add a little bit of spice into the Trainer-Pokemon dynamic. Like in the XY Anime, Korrina and her Lucario had to overcome their overly brash natures and learn to control their excitement in order for Mega Evolution to work.
    It serves as a very effective final hurdle for any trainer to overcome in any Pokemon story, and that's something the other gimmicks *cannot* provide.

    • @declanmckenna6854
      @declanmckenna6854 Месяц назад +26

      When Megas were first introduced I totally thought that it was going to be tied into the new Affection mechanic with Poke-monami like you needed to have a certain rank to use it and how many turns it would be applied

    • @nolangerrans6083
      @nolangerrans6083 Месяц назад +15

      ⁠@@declanmckenna6854yeah it really should have been. That always bugged me when i first played x and y that you could just catch a pokemon, give it a stone and have it mega evolve from minute one despite them supposedly being the expression of the bond between the trainer and pokemon

    • @seanmaddex4104
      @seanmaddex4104 Месяц назад

      I think they were popular because the special attention to some of our favorites and underrated Pokémon similar to regional variations

    • @Yamartim
      @Yamartim Месяц назад +4

      they do those types of plots all the time in the anime though but with normal evolutions instead of megas, it happened all the way back with like one of the earliest episodes of the anime is about a paras overcoming its cowardice to save its trainer then it evolves, happened pretty recently too with goh and his scorbunny

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +3

      Ash and gengar learning Gmax and Pikachu earning pikashunium Z was well written so I disagree

  • @adhamwashere5320
    @adhamwashere5320 Месяц назад +147

    I've never heard someone say Dmax was more healthy for the meta than megas. Dmax were only that way in doubles, and in singles they were so overpowered that Smogon has completely banned them from any singles tier.

    • @Tm_Slink
      @Tm_Slink Месяц назад +8

      And you don't think Megas wern't way overpowered in Singles? o.O

    • @KunouNoHana
      @KunouNoHana Месяц назад +62

      @@Tm_Slink There were, what, 6 megas moved to Ubers from OU, and a couple from ubers to AG. Meanwhile dynamax and Gmax are just straight banned at ALL tier levels on ALL pokemon for gen 8 singles.

    • @Yamartim
      @Yamartim Месяц назад +8

      @@KunouNoHana that's because ever since gen 7 pokemon was never bothered to be for singles in the first place really, vgc reigns king

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +42

      ​@@Tm_SlinkYes, yes I do in Fact think Megas weren't broken in Singles.
      Unlike Dynamax, only a handful of Megas have been banned as opposed to the entire Mechanic

    • @josephinefeng3990
      @josephinefeng3990 Месяц назад +16

      Singles is irrelevant though, Smogon isn't official. Dynamax is very balanced when it comes to doubles, the actual format of the competitive scene.

  • @VioletLunaChan
    @VioletLunaChan Месяц назад +15

    My biggest Problem really is the competitive aspect. From giving them to Pokemon who were ALREADY strong like Mega-Salamance or Mega-Garchomp (Which funnily enough is worse than the regular form), to the fact some of these are just outright broken like Mega-Kanghaskan or Mega-Rayquaza.

    • @jaernihiltheus7817
      @jaernihiltheus7817 Месяц назад +5

      Counter point:
      Mega Rayquayquay was designed to be bullshit as it was only ever meant to be legal in an official setting during special VGC tournaments. So they didn't care about balancing it.
      As for Mega Kang, it was busted in Gen 6, but was fixed in Gen 7. Parental Bond's 2nd hit was reduced down to basically chip damage, resulting in it dropping off amongst rampant power creep.
      Compared to the current SV meta & powerlevel - the megas that exist right now... Besides the green sky snake... would all be perfectly balanced below Ubers.

  • @jcf2322
    @jcf2322 Месяц назад +6

    It's not just because it was the first. I think Mega evolution did something for the casual play through that the other gimmicks have not. Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Tera are all great from a competitive lens, but most players aren't competitive players, the story's gameplay is going to the vast majority of their game experience, and that is where Mega evolution shines. It can't be understated how much Megas gave formerly very weak Pokemon another chance. You would never use Beedrill after the 2nd gym, but all of a sudden it can be a late game member of your party. Megan were also not as restricted as the other gimmicks. While it only lasted the battle, you could switch out your Pokemon and they would still retain their Mega form. It wasn't restricted like Dynamax. And while Terra and Z-Crystals are universal and accessible to all Pokemon, there wasn't anything really special about them. Also, Megas exclusivity was I think an asset, because you would look forward to seeing if another Pokemon would get a Mega evolution. So it all just stacks together to create something that has more lasting impact that the other gimmicks.

  • @unclechuck3333
    @unclechuck3333 Месяц назад +184

    >>mega evolution causes pain
    >>Completely ignores the fact that battles cause pain
    Gen 7 Pokedex entries are a product of culture and are irrelevant

    • @markguyton2868
      @markguyton2868 Месяц назад +25

      Dex entries aren't the best source of facts sometimes, even though they are supposed to be.

    • @Anaheylaatyahoo
      @Anaheylaatyahoo Месяц назад +7

      Also, pokemon are fictional characters, which is why the love I feel for my pokemon negates any and all pain they feel and when they "faint" they're actually just pretending to faint to give the other team a sporting chance.

    • @jaschabull2365
      @jaschabull2365 Месяц назад +2

      Why did I never realize the irony of this until just now?

  • @carterlazarus813
    @carterlazarus813 Месяц назад +215

    Well, they never felt like a gimmick until they were taken away. They were treated like a full-on evolution of the evolution concept in their debut games, not a 1-off thing. They appeared in their debut gen of course; but also the remakes in that gen, the following generation and the kanto remakes after that (which were lacking abilities and items, crucial parts of the combat design of megas, seemingly showing their staying power) yet they were still there. They didn't feel like a gimmick, they felt like a permanent new addition for the Pokemon that had them, both within their debut generation and the following games where there weren't any new megas added.
    Because of this, their fully unique designs, and the fact they would last an entire battle, they essentially were new Pokemon. Therefore, people got attached to them like any other new Pokemon
    And then they got ripped away.
    Do you see why that might have people begging to get them back? A lot of people essentially lost their favorite Pokemon without the existence of Mega Evolution, all because Gamefreak felt they were stealing the spotlight from ACTUAL gimmicks even long after they stopped being built upon.
    Edit: Forgot to mention they're the only "Gimmick" that has consistently appeared in spinoffs, again showing Megas really aren't a gimmick at all.
    Final Edit: Now actually having finished the video (sorry I knew this would get buried if I didn't jump to write it) I again feel the actual reason I like megas wasn't really addressed. THEY ARE THEIR OWN POKEMON. MANY BECAME MY FAVORITES. The Mega Charizards, Mega Beedrill, Mega Steelix, Mega Houndoom, Mega Gengar, these were all at one point in my top 50, a couple are still in my top 20 and one in my top 10! They are some of my favorite Pokemon and I felt safe in loving them like other Pokemon because they were essentially treated like a permanent thing for a long time... then they were gone. For some of them it's not the end of the world, Steelix and Houndoom are still rad as hell on their own I just thought they looked even cooler mega'd; but Charizard is so outdated and bland these days, the megas gave it a modern appearance (even if "modern" in this case is just edgier). Mega Beedrill is one of the sickest bug types ever and blows regular Beedrill into the shadow dimensions. I love these Pokemon, and without this feature, I cannot have them.
    I don't care if they're unbalanced. I don't care if there are plenty that don't look good. I don't care that they aren't universal for all Pokemon. They are many people's favorite Pokemon, therefore they always deserve to come back eventually, even if we never get a single new one.
    Also the argument of "would they be popular if they came out later" is dumb because it's trying to analyze them under a different context. They were the first, you can't look at them like they weren't the first because they were.

    • @carterlazarus813
      @carterlazarus813 Месяц назад +38

      Also as far as competitive is concerned, I've never understood the argument that they were unhealthy for competitive specifically because you "needed" one for your team. It has nothing to do with them being megas, they just happened to be strong Pokemon because the mega boost gave them high BSTs. There's a group like megas seemingly every generation now; the Ultra Beasts & Tapus were everywhere in gen 7, gen 8 was a bit more varied (unless you count Dynamax), and now in gen 9 most teams have a paradox Pokemon. Are Ultra Beasts or Paradox Mons "bad for competitive" because most teams require one? Especially since these groups are even more thinned than Megas? (48 Megas, 11 Ultra Beasts, 20 Paradox)

    • @Yamartim
      @Yamartim Месяц назад +7

      the spin off point doesn't really work, megas are just in more spin offs because they're easier to implement for spin offs since they're just a simple form change, unlike z moves that have elaborate animations and dynamax that completely changes the scale of the game. also as a gameplay mechanic they're very much just a gimmick and always were... its a get stronger button that plays a fancy animation there's zero depth to it, if anything it made battles a lot worse as lockstin described making options way more limited

    • @carterlazarus813
      @carterlazarus813 Месяц назад +26

      @@Yamartim Sure they're easier to implement than other gimmicks but by that point developers could just as easily not include any gimmicks form the main series; and in many cases went out of their way to squeeze them in. Why? Because they're not meant to be a gimmick.
      Also doesn't change the main point: They're essentially full-blown Pokemon. They deserve to be kept around just as much as Purugly or Crabominable because they're someone's favorite somewhere

    • @markguyton2868
      @markguyton2868 Месяц назад +11

      I miss Mega Mawile because it felt like they finally gave the poor thing the evolution it truly needed... though it was a bit overtuned battle-wise.

    • @xeonbeast9948
      @xeonbeast9948 Месяц назад +7

      Based take. Just goes to show that Pokemon focusing on one off gimmicks has been a mistake.

  • @KCERTLEZ
    @KCERTLEZ Месяц назад +5

    One big thing that I liked about Mega-Evolution is that it makes a lot of sense within the Pokemon world(granted, you could argue the same thing with other gimmic's. Probably less so with Z-Moves). Mega-Evolution takes the process of evolution(a concept thats already intertwined with the games/world and is heavily researched by many scientists within said world) and take's it a step further. Pokemon pushing the boundaries of evolution to the next level.
    Maybe I'm weird for liking that aspect of it, but it's always been one of the reason's why I liked it.

  • @MrSilvaLupus
    @MrSilvaLupus Месяц назад +7

    Mega evolution was (is) the best of the gimmick mechanics, but was somewhat poorly implemented. There should have been 4 or 5 times more of them, and they should have been given almost exclusively to Pokémon that NEED them to function (Beedrill, Kangaskhan, Pinsir, Mawhile,etc). The exception being the starters, every starter should have a mega (just one... we're looking at you Charizard) because you're meant to really bond with your first partner and help them come into, and grow beyond their full potential.
    Nothing an over 570 BST should have a mega, period.

  • @noahsterben5666
    @noahsterben5666 Месяц назад +37

    I’m just say this to vent but having something I like or enjoy be watered down to being “just nostalgia” is nothing short of an insult. Like being told I’m an idiot or a child or simple just because someone else doesn’t get it and then goes on to apply that something later coming around is better. You know how many fandoms I’ve seen where even if you can back up your passion for something with how it resonates with you as a person it still gets handwaved away because “its just nostalgia goggles” even if we don’t understand it can we just respect another’s love of a work or idea with belittling it to being unable to let go of something. I just wanted to get that off my chest.

  • @IndigoEuphonium
    @IndigoEuphonium Месяц назад +32

    20:44 When threatened, the wild Lockstin can unfurl its frills and spit acid 6 feet away

    • @thebeber2546
      @thebeber2546 Месяц назад +1

      Yeah… and that sound at the end of the was primal.

  • @Armund_Wolffe
    @Armund_Wolffe Месяц назад +5

    megas breaking the meta is hilarious; lando-T and incineroar exist and busted the meta without megas.

  • @lilacdragonblade
    @lilacdragonblade Месяц назад +5

    The thing I miss most about mega evolution? The accessories!
    Seriously, there were so many really cool random things that if you just put 1 marble sized gem on it BOOM mega accessory. Mega pendant, mega pin, mega anchor, mega glasses, mega umbrella, mega bookmark, mega camera! I really think the accessories for each gimmick got less inventive each generation.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +4

      Heck yeah! The Mega Accessories are such a small thing, but they add so much to the Designs of the Trainers!
      It's a cool thing to look for when you see a new Trainer!
      The Anime also did some cool stuff with it, like giving Cynthia a Mega Lipstick! And giving the Mon an Accessory to hold the Keystone was interesting to see.
      It's a small thing, but nice nonetheless!

  • @austinmiller2170
    @austinmiller2170 Месяц назад +32

    Haven't we learned by now to never trust the Pokedex? If half the information in the 'dex were true, living in the world of Pokemon would be impossible!

    • @massimilianoreali4398
      @massimilianoreali4398 Месяц назад +2

      In fact ITS a impossible world to live humanity before befriending pokemon was litterally doomed from the start

  • @anoukdevries8144
    @anoukdevries8144 Месяц назад +78

    I have 0 nostalgia for gen 6, haven't played it. Yet, I understand why people like them, it just makes your favorite Pokémon look cool. Like a superhero versions of them!
    Childish and simple? Maybe. Effective? Yes! Even without the nostalgia? Yes!
    Lockstin has no obligation to like them, but I think he is wrong in assuming other people like Megas just because of nostalgia.

    • @markguyton2868
      @markguyton2868 Месяц назад +6

      For me it just gave Mawile an evolution, which was hype enough. Though I wish it was a permanent evo instead of a mega (different Ability though) :\

  • @lukerabon7925
    @lukerabon7925 Месяц назад +4

    Also, I'm gonna be fully honest "not balanced for competitive" is not a drawback of Megas, it's a drawback of trying to make a single player kids game with a player vs player side mode into a professionally competitive game. It's why some of the mechanically best strategies (that have nothing to do with any generation gimmic) get banned outright in competitive play.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +2

      Heck, Smogon uses a Tier System for that Reason.
      They realized, that in a Game with such a casual focus will have a lot of different Mons with different viability, and balanced each accordingly.

  • @mewziikal8331
    @mewziikal8331 Месяц назад +4

    For me, it's a way of having a Pokemon that you like become the uncontested star of your team. Other gimmicks are too uniform, and alternate forms are too mundane : neither makes the chosen pokemon stand out quite as much.
    The process of choosing a mega is incredibly enjoyable imo. And i don't think the lacking number of them is inherent to the concept of megas : imagine if a lot more megas existed, anyone could just pick one of their favorite Pokémon to be the backbone of their team by becoming cooler and more powerful than others of the same species.
    It's like how cool it is for gym leaders to have an ace, or for the characters in pokemon Masters to each have their one designated partner pokemon ; that individuality makes them more interesting. Except as a player, in a team of 6 similar (or max) level pokemon, there's no way for you to have one visibly stand out from the 5 others, except by being the one you choose to Mega evolve.

  • @infernaldisdain8051
    @infernaldisdain8051 Месяц назад +147

    …Regional Variants are basically different Pokémon. I don’t count them as a refresh or improvement of the base version.

    • @garryjones-jv3sz
      @garryjones-jv3sz Месяц назад +4

      Bruh

    • @EmiCheese
      @EmiCheese Месяц назад +20

      Yeah, I agree. I'm still waiting to get some love for my boi Qwilfish. Overqwil is nice and all, but it's not the one I love 😢

    • @XIII_Vanitas
      @XIII_Vanitas Месяц назад +6

      they're cousins

    • @JackDout
      @JackDout Месяц назад +4

      If I were to be blunt about it, they're recolors.

    • @shadowmarauder6033
      @shadowmarauder6033 Месяц назад +6

      true. i love them, but they're more like retools of existing pokemon. The original still sucks

  • @cluless5227
    @cluless5227 Месяц назад +141

    For the variants/paradox conversation, they feel like different but similar Pokémon. When I see Farfetch’d and its variant I see one as the original, and the other as the new and improved regulating the old to the bin. Similar to paradox Pokémon with Delibird. At least Megas makes you feel like they are adding to the Pokémon

    • @nechocat1234
      @nechocat1234 Месяц назад +8

      well that's also because farfetch'd and delibird really really really suck,while mega beedrill is the best example of making a pokemon somewhat relevant megas have, it's stat spread is completly different from beedrill, bedrill was a somewhat fast and had special bulk, but the mega made it a physicall sweeper

    • @EmiCheese
      @EmiCheese Месяц назад +13

      Yeah, not getting anything for our Leekduck while there's a new one that gets all the love feels a little sucky

    • @Castersvarog
      @Castersvarog Месяц назад +8

      I was gonna say the same, the regional variants are an amazing concept and help bring new opportunities for an evolution line, but it almost requires pushing an older Mon out of its spotlight. Like Sirfetchd was a great thing, but what does it do for regular Farfetch’d? Nothing. It’s still awful and has nothing to its name. Same with the Paradoxes, that’s not a Donphan, that’s Great Tusk, it’s not the same Mon, it’s effectively just a look alike.

    • @CobaltClaw
      @CobaltClaw Месяц назад

      I mean, at the same time there is Ninetales.
      Both ice and fire fox have a use, and while A-Ninetales is arguably better, you can still run the other Ninetales on a deciated team and do fine.

    • @cesarflamenco9484
      @cesarflamenco9484 Месяц назад +3

      I feel like Paradox Pokemon aren't the best argument for defense of cutting Mega Evolutions considering I doubt they are going to make new ones for the next generation. They're more in like a similar category than Ultra Beasts than anything.

  • @jackunova7284
    @jackunova7284 Месяц назад +4

    21:00
    Nothing, what's a meta with you?

  • @cutedarkarts
    @cutedarkarts Месяц назад +36

    Honestly, it’s power fantasy that makes me like megas so much. It felt like I had to go out of my way to find not only the items that allowed you to mega evolve pokemon, but that you needed to find the pokemon themselves. And with the idea that megas become super powerful and often are described as being in immense pain and/or rage, it felt like it took a lot to be able to control one. Like just imagine you are one of the strongest trainers in the region not just because you beat the champion, but because you can control Pokémon that are known for being almost impossible to control, especially the legendaries with megas. While the other gimmicks are all fine and dandy, they felt less like such a big scary thing because they didn’t make them seem like they were harder to control. Z moves were just like silly dances you do with your pokemon, gigantimaxing was just “hey you’re big now!”, and terrastelizing it’s just “take this magic crystal hat, it give you powers”. I don’t hate those gimmicks though, just felt like they were a tad bit “meh” after the idea of mega evos.

  • @Destinum
    @Destinum Месяц назад +201

    Regional variants and Paradox Pokémon don't help Pokémon that need it, they're simply new Pokémon that just happen to look similar, while the original gets left in the dust. With Megas on the other hand, you can take a Beedrill you've had since gen 3 and actually make it usable in battle.

    • @kotlolish
      @kotlolish Месяц назад +20

      Thought that as well. Mega's can also be used for a nice "Different' approach. Like Z-moves, mega's could been totally become useless by.."removing said item"
      Until Mega-Rayquaza.. but let's be real... that was the lamest mega since it wasn't a reversal.. doesn't need a cool item.. and while looking cool... felt the least earned.

    • @ObrigadaJim
      @ObrigadaJim Месяц назад +11

      i can pick my pikachu from gen3 and evolve it to a alolan raichu

    • @itsturniptime3699
      @itsturniptime3699 Месяц назад +13

      But at that point is Mega Beedrill still Beedrill? Or is it a different Pokémon that just looks and has the same name as your Beedrill
      Does it feel the same?

    • @TheWinnersAlley
      @TheWinnersAlley Месяц назад +26

      Well you still have to use regular beedrill to mega-evolve so, yes? Honestly it could go either way. Regular beedrill is the form it has until you get into battle and "go mega". On the other hand, if Mega Beedrill was just Kalosian Beedrill, it would outstrip regular beedrill in everyday and kanto beedrill may as not exist (competitively, so like it is now😅). Doesn't mean some people won't prefer Kanto beedrill, it just won't have nearly as much (pardon my pun) buzz around it

    • @Yamartim
      @Yamartim Месяц назад +12

      you can do the same with way more pokemon by giving it a z-move, dynamaxing or terastalizing it, thats not unique to megas

  • @lilbonsly
    @lilbonsly Месяц назад +3

    15:10
    "The 3DS simply couldn't handle that many pokemon on screen at once"
    ....
    *Counts how many pokemon show up in horde battles*
    ...???

    • @scrunkore
      @scrunkore Месяц назад +1

      horde battles only had relatively simplistic pokemon in them and still lagged a fair bit

  • @Bucaneiro_
    @Bucaneiro_ Месяц назад +3

    I'd say megas are unique exactly because the mons are so limited. The latest gimmicks are just "this cool thing everyone can do". If everyone is special, then nobody is. But with megas, you never who will get it, how they'll look like, how it will change their competitive viability or even how to unlock it. It's far more exciting.

  • @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283
    @librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Месяц назад +122

    Its simple, for me at least. Gamefreak tried to flesh it out. Hell they created a second timeline, just to fit megas into the series more organically. Also they are the only gimmick to last more than one game. There were no zmoves in SWSH or PLA and no DMax in SV
    Bit megas were in gen 7, even if they had way less significance

    • @xderrodecki8905
      @xderrodecki8905 Месяц назад +19

      On that note about megas were also the only thing to make into any remake being a major part of oras through the eon twin flights and mega requaza meanwhile nothing like that made it into bdsp

    • @infernaldisdain8051
      @infernaldisdain8051 Месяц назад

      I didn’t hear about the second timeline, mind explaining it for me?

    • @Gohka
      @Gohka Месяц назад

      @@xderrodecki8905 tbf though ORAS were made by Game Freak, BDSP were made by an independent company with (I imagine) the lowest asking price.

    • @aaronolson6736
      @aaronolson6736 Месяц назад +2

      @@xderrodecki8905 part of that was Gamefreak not wanting BDSP to outshine PLA, if anything they would have expanded the lore around Dynamaxing allowing the gen8 metagame to evolve.

    • @zero1action27
      @zero1action27 Месяц назад +11

      @@infernaldisdain8051 AZ from X and Y built a machine that was made to revive his dead pokemon that was forcibly conscripted and died in the Kalos war. After he succeeded he turned that machine into a weapon and destroyed the world with it and the energy from that weapon created the Megastones. In the original timeline(Gen 1-5) AZ didn't fire the weapon and the Kalos war ended in a different way.

  • @rafal.qwerty
    @rafal.qwerty Месяц назад +31

    Mega Evolution was the best gimmick, because all the later ones were just some single aspect of mega with some twist.
    Z-Moves - it's like mega evolving a single attack, but only to use once per battle
    (Dyna/Giant)max - it's like a weird mix of Mega Evolution with Z-Moves.
    Terastalization - pokemon changes it's type just like some megas and got little buff for attacks.

    • @Tm_Slink
      @Tm_Slink Месяц назад +3

      That's because Mega Evolution was broken as hell.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid Месяц назад +10

      ​@@Tm_SlinkYeah, I don't buy that excuse when Dynamax exists. A mechanic so broken it alone can win most single battles

    • @gamerskingdom4897
      @gamerskingdom4897 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@Tm_Slinkyeah but for the 90 percent of the player base that only realy plays single player that meant the later ones just felt like lamer versions of the same thing

  • @wolfamon95
    @wolfamon95 Месяц назад +3

    One reason I think Megas are so popular is that, in my opinion, they are the most consistent design-wise. Gigantamax forms sometimes led to feeling... "off" thanks to their size and how it was incorporated, while the Terrastal hats could feel a bit too goofy for a lot of Pokémon, but Mega Evolutions had a lot less of these issues, making it easier for the lesser ones to just get lost in the shuffle, overall.
    Of course, this does just come down to my opinion on design. If someone loved goofiness, than Terrastals are likely their favorites, and I imagine there's at least 1 person who'd swear Gigantamax forms easily outshine Mega Evos' edginess.

  • @ExclusiveExcellence
    @ExclusiveExcellence Месяц назад +3

    I don’t see why you can’t see why Megas are the most popular feature, as Megas are not only badass but also is a way for them to retroactively “buff” mons and not like the slight buffs like ability changes or move pool changes but rather flat straight up stat buffs

  • @froggerfly13
    @froggerfly13 Месяц назад +34

    I like mega evolution because of the designs, and the fact that its not universally distributed makes for fun theorymonning.
    I remember how exciting it was when ORAS was announced and waiting to see which pokemon would get one.

    • @kayschut9327
      @kayschut9327 Месяц назад

      And then get disappointed and having to hold out hope for the next few years. The chip analogy is spot on.

    • @froggerfly13
      @froggerfly13 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@kayschut9327 it's true, but I don't see it as that different to the hype for new Pokémon or regional forms. Other than it being left behind after gen 7 I don't see why it's any more "addictive" or "unsatisfactory" than the other new features.

    • @cesargpfis
      @cesargpfis Месяц назад +1

      @@froggerfly13I think I can see a big difference, speaking in broad terms. New Pokémon are, you know, new; there is no expectation of what they’ll be (there is a case to be made for the starters final evolutions, but that is a separate matter). Regional forms are mostly just an added bonus, a treat; nobody is begging for, I don’t know, Sunflora to get a regional form but, if it ends up getting one, that’s cool. The feeling of megas is much different because they inherently imply an “upgrade”. You WANT underused Pokémon to get megas, and will get disappointed when they don’t get one (i.e. “why neglect this one in favour of this other one?”) or worse, if they do get a mega and it ends up being disappointing to you. The backlash from “I was expecting something better and I get this garbage” is much stronger than the backlash from “wow, this new thing is garbage”.

    • @dave9515
      @dave9515 27 дней назад +1

      @@cesargpfis Except regional forms and new evos get backlash like that already. Look at how many got made about dundunsparce.

  • @jeffreylayton3411
    @jeffreylayton3411 Месяц назад +25

    Megas are the only gimmick to span over multiple regions (xy and oras) showing they are NOT locked to region or Era.
    There wasn't a good reason to drop Z moves either. The fact that both are linked by held item shouldn't factor them out of future games lore wise.
    I think they only did so as not to have too much going on in any given game.

  • @WindmageZyphos
    @WindmageZyphos Месяц назад +2

    Imagine going back in time to the mid 90s and show pictures of Mega Evolutions when theories about the PokeGods and Bill’s Backyard were a thing. “You can get this stone and bracelet and it lets you evolve Charizard into Charicolt!”

  • @mattwo7
    @mattwo7 Месяц назад +3

    18:28 Glalie unhinged its jaw and grew a beard! Wow!

  • @WhyYouWahYoo
    @WhyYouWahYoo Месяц назад +25

    I completely understand why some folks don’t like them. They gave all the big boys forms when they didn’t really need them, making them overpowered, they’re a lot messier in terms of battle mechanics in terms of how they function, too.
    All that said, I love a good Super Forme trope. I’m a sucker for going even further beyond. Mega Banette, Absol, Gardevior, and Charizard X are some of my all-time favorites

  • @snappgator
    @snappgator Месяц назад +27

    Breaking news: old man yells at cloud

  • @timdoe8895
    @timdoe8895 28 дней назад +4

    Lockstin is not stupid and I refuse to believe he doesn’t understand why mega evolution is so popular. Like it is very common sense why cool new forms made through bond of friendship would be popular compared to the timed events that gave even less Pokémon new forms and just new moves.

    • @Sigmund_Froid
      @Sigmund_Froid 16 дней назад +3

      Yeah, this video feels like a desperate attempt to find a reason to justify his own dislike of the mechanic, rather than for the popularity of it...
      Like, "People like this popular thing, but I dislike it, so clearly everyone who likes it must be wrong!"
      Him belittling people for liking Megas is what makes this video stick out negatively though...

  • @andreasnickel5829
    @andreasnickel5829 Месяц назад +3

    Another reason for the excitement is that Kalos seems quite unfinished. The number of times fans have theorized about Kalos being accessible as a second region is astounding. Additionally, in my opinion, it’s more enjoyable to speculate about potential Mega Evolutions. They feel special because not every Pokémon can use them.
    I can feel the excitement myself: I am more thrilled about the prospect of a new green Charizard form than any Terra special type or Gigantamax form. It’s because it’s unique and feels special

  • @wyattdupre2721
    @wyattdupre2721 Месяц назад +29

    To me Mega Evolution always seemed like a natural "evolution" for pokemon, its kinda of like you amd your partner achieving your final forms together. Also I choose to ignore that mega evos hurt the pokemon😊that doesnt exist in my reality

  • @karenbonds264
    @karenbonds264 Месяц назад +130

    0:42 My theory is that Alola and Kalos got into a war with each other and Alola lost because Kalos has Mega Evolution.
    So all those Sun/Moon Dex entries about Pokémon becoming violent or in pain while Mega Evolving could just be Alola demonizing the phenomenon and discourage local trainers from using it.
    Heh. That could be its own theory.

    • @pikminboi7255
      @pikminboi7255 Месяц назад +21

      That’s honestly a super cool theory

    • @GhaniKSW
      @GhaniKSW Месяц назад +3

      That honestly sounds like a really cool piece of lore
      and is surprisingly close to the irl reason....

  • @thecardboardboxl3922
    @thecardboardboxl3922 Месяц назад +28

    My biggest question is, “Does Lockstin have enough insulin to balance out those potato chips?”

    • @SinNun-tx5jp
      @SinNun-tx5jp Месяц назад +8

      That's why he dropped 90% of them

    • @Libra-_-
      @Libra-_- Месяц назад +1

      That’s crazy 🤣🤣

    • @TheFirstCurse1
      @TheFirstCurse1 Месяц назад +3

      Seriously dude? Why are you being a toxic jerk to him?

    • @thecardboardboxl3922
      @thecardboardboxl3922 Месяц назад +1

      I wasn’t. Did that come off as rude?

    • @drawingwithcharles
      @drawingwithcharles Месяц назад

      Not your place to comment on that dude

  • @gyga100
    @gyga100 Месяц назад +61

    "terastal the least flash and more balanced gimmick"...........man, Smogon would like to have a talk with you........

    • @Dani-Claw
      @Dani-Claw Месяц назад +9

      The amount of tera types for EACH Pokémon in addition to the natures and abilities and marks...🤯

    • @scrunkore
      @scrunkore Месяц назад +5

      it's balanced for doubles
      ...don't ask why there are hardly any double battles in the main game

    • @gyga100
      @gyga100 Месяц назад +6

      @scrunkore its kinda,in tournaments yes,because you can know the adversary Terá type,but in the ladder, you can loose a whole battle just because you didn't predict correctly a type change

  • @FryIronicMemeFace
    @FryIronicMemeFace Месяц назад +38

    To be fair. "The idea was cool" could be used to explain most of Gamefreak's output over the past decade.

    • @CamDaGR8X
      @CamDaGR8X Месяц назад +7

      Yeah too bad about the actual games being dogshit lmao

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад +1

      @@CamDaGR8X U guys see Pokémon as a game or any other series that’s either good or bad but it’s not that it’s more than that
      It’s a culture and a lifestyle a living breathing world with a story and lore and characters
      We form parasocial relationships with these fictional animals because we love them so much and they have so much personality and backstory
      ​​⁠their dev time is 3-6 actually u just don’t feel it cuz they work on multiple projects simultaneously with the budget of a Disney channel movie around 15-20mil and they have to balance game release with the anime and the cards
      Everyone can say pokemon should be like Zelda or xenoblade but those games don’t have an anime and a tcg they have to abide by it’s like jenga
      Also they do make decisions dictated by the competitive scene
      And they may or may not share resources that part I’m unsure of
      Hot take:
      the point of Pokémon is to appeal to the widest audience possible and that there’s something for everyone from mainline to the anime to the spin offs
      Well maybe if people got into the other avenues of the franchise rather than solely the games u wouldn’t be disappointed
      Since the series was designed to be symbiotic with itself and to experience every avenue together for a complete experience
      U guys need to reevaluate ur priorities Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
      People are too focused on superficial nonsense
      ​​⁠let’s be real u didn’t get into the original games for the graphics
      And If u didn’t play games for the graphics as a kid then why would u play them for the graphics now
      Sorry u forgot what the point of Pokémon was to begin with
      Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
      The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
      People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
      And something that doesn’t fit its style
      Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
      If its not ur thing just move on imo
      They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
      Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
      The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
      People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
      And something that doesn’t fit its style
      Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
      If its not ur thing just move on imo
      They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
      Calling pokemon “lazy” is lazy they got more to do than most devs they make two games and have to be symbiotic with the rest of the series and all this other stuff
      They can’t delay the game they have a symbiotic release system
      The games are leashed to the anime,tcg,etc and the anime,tcg etc is leashed to the games
      Tpc is constantly playing a game of jenga trying to balance each of its branches
      The games are in development for 3-6 years we just don’t feel it because a lot of times they work on multiple generations at the same time they have two teams the games have a 15-20 million dollar budget
      They probably share resources
      Maybe about the sharing idk
      They have been working on Gen 10 for a few years now
      Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
      People are too focused on superficial nonsense
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff
      I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about
      And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
      Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
      What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
      Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
      Was friendship magic?
      Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
      Ok then it’s a good game
      Those are what’s important to Pokémon
      As the og theme said
      Pokémon is about
      Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
      I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
      Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
      you teach me and I teach you”
      That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
      Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
      Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
      Performance graphics those things never Mattered
      You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
      The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
      The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
      And it’s about time you all understand that by now
      They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
      The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
      If you move one thing it all falls apart
      They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
      Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
      they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
      Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
      You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
      Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
      Assuming we get more open world games
      NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
      Probably turned it upside down
      And before u say just delay the game
      They can’t delay the game
      The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
      The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
      And it’s about time you all understand that by now
      They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
      The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
      If you move one thing it all falls apart
      They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
      Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
      ​​⁠it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
      The games aren’t rushed there is a schedule they abide by for symbiosis
      The games and the anime and tcg are all beholden to each other
      You can’t move one without ruining the groove
      Unless you one gen 10 game to come out years after the gen 10 anime and have it spoiled
      There is a symbiosis there
      When you watch the anime it makes u wanna play the game and vice versa so they are companion pieces designed to be experienced together for a complete experience
      They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that

    • @madnessarcade7447
      @madnessarcade7447 Месяц назад

      U guys see Pokémon as a game or any other series that’s either good or bad but it’s not that it’s more than that
      It’s a culture and a lifestyle a living breathing world with a story and lore and characters
      We form parasocial relationships with these fictional animals because we love them so much and they have so much personality and backstory
      ​​⁠their dev time is 3-6 actually u just don’t feel it cuz they work on multiple projects simultaneously with the budget of a Disney channel movie around 15-20mil and they have to balance game release with the anime and the cards
      Everyone can say pokemon should be like Zelda or xenoblade but those games don’t have an anime and a tcg they have to abide by it’s like jenga
      Also they do make decisions dictated by the competitive scene
      And they may or may not share resources that part I’m unsure of
      Hot take:
      the point of Pokémon is to appeal to the widest audience possible and that there’s something for everyone from mainline to the anime to the spin offs
      Well maybe if people got into the other avenues of the franchise rather than solely the games u wouldn’t be disappointed
      Since the series was designed to be symbiotic with itself and to experience every avenue together for a complete experience
      U guys need to reevaluate ur priorities Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
      People are too focused on superficial nonsense
      ​​⁠let’s be real u didn’t get into the original games for the graphics
      And If u didn’t play games for the graphics as a kid then why would u play them for the graphics now
      Sorry u forgot what the point of Pokémon was to begin with
      Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
      The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
      People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
      And something that doesn’t fit its style
      Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
      If its not ur thing just move on imo
      They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
      Pokémon is always meant to be an entry level jrpg maybe the people trying to hate on pokemon maybe they just aren’t into jrpgs
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      The series knows what it is and its niche(by niche I mean space) and what it wants to be and there’s nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t have to be anything else
      The mainstream audience doesn’t care about graphics or bugs or anything they just like to vibe
      People are just trying to make it something that is isn’t
      And something that doesn’t fit its style
      Maybe u don’t like Pokemon just aren’t into RPGs and that’s fine dont have to use that as an excuse to be toxic
      If its not ur thing just move on imo
      They’re gonna do their own thing and be their own thing in their own way
      Calling pokemon “lazy” is lazy they got more to do than most devs they make two games and have to be symbiotic with the rest of the series and all this other stuff
      They can’t delay the game they have a symbiotic release system
      The games are leashed to the anime,tcg,etc and the anime,tcg etc is leashed to the games
      Tpc is constantly playing a game of jenga trying to balance each of its branches
      The games are in development for 3-6 years we just don’t feel it because a lot of times they work on multiple generations at the same time they have two teams the games have a 15-20 million dollar budget
      They probably share resources
      Maybe about the sharing idk
      They have been working on Gen 10 for a few years now
      Visuals,frame rate,art style are irrelevant
      People are too focused on superficial nonsense
      If
      The lore was good
      The writing was good
      The music was good
      The vibes were good
      The messages were good
      The character designs were good
      That’s all you really need
      Can’t believe people still care about that frame stuff
      I’m sorry people got so lost and brainwashed by the superficialities of the industry you forgot what Pokémon was originally about
      And I know that the game isn’t perfect and that there’s issues
      Pokémon is a franchise where the theme is friendship is magic and meeting cute and cool unique monsters
      What the hell does graphics and performance have to do with those things?
      Nothing if you wanna criticize a franchise criticize it on whether or not it delivered on the messages and themes it promised
      Was friendship magic?
      Did you meet cute and cool unique creatures?
      Ok then it’s a good game
      Those are what’s important to Pokémon
      As the og theme said
      Pokémon is about
      Oh your my best friend in a world we must defend
      I will travel across the land searching far and wide each pokemon to understand the power that’s inside
      Our hearts so true our courage will pull us through
      you teach me and I teach you”
      That’s what it is about and that’s what it will always be about and if that’s what it continues to be about until the end
      Then that’s a strong enough ending for me
      Not sure what graphics and animation and performance has to do with that
      Performance graphics those things never Mattered
      You have to remember pokemon games have only been 3D since 2013 that’s pretty recent compared to other games like Zelda that have been 3D since the 90s and early 2000s so obviously they’re gonna be behind Mixed with the fact that They can’t delay the game because main console for only 5 years compared to Zelda since n64
      The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
      The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
      And it’s about time you all understand that by now
      They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
      The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
      If you move one thing it all falls apart
      They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
      Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
      they are still learning as they go so y’all gotta be patient and give them time to catch up
      Their partnership with take two they’ll apply what they learn back into Pokémon so that’s good
      You have to remember gamefreak are inexperienced with developing open world games so of course there will be some trial and error the more they work on and improve the game and do future games the better at it they’ll get
      Rome wasn’t built in a day we need to be patient
      Assuming we get more open world games
      NOT TO MENTION ScarVi’s development was probably screwed up by the pandemic
      Probably turned it upside down
      And before u say just delay the game
      They can’t delay the game
      The franchise was designed so that every aspect of it has a symbiotic relationship
      The games can’t release without the anime the merch and the manga and the manga the merch and the anime can’t release without the games
      And it’s about time you all understand that by now
      They are doing their best trying to balance the games with the tcg and the anime
      The Pokémon franchise is like a game of jenga
      If you move one thing it all falls apart
      They are doing the best they can sorry I’m the only one who appreciates that
      Unless you want them to hypothetically release the Gen 10 anime and then wait till the anime gets to Gen 15 to release the Gen 10 games
      ​​⁠it’s not outdated it’s rebellious and nonconformist
      The games aren’t rushed there is a schedule they abide by for symbiosis
      The games and the anime and tcg are all beholden to each other
      You can’t move one without ruining the groove
      Unless you one gen 10 game to come out years after the gen 10 anime and have it spoiled
      There is a symbiosis there
      When you watch the anime it makes u wanna play the game and vice versa so they are companion pieces designed to be experienced together for a complete experience
      They choose to live in their own bubble and be one of a kind and not imitate what everyone else does and they have my respect for that

    • @legonerd0666
      @legonerd0666 Месяц назад +2

      @@madnessarcade7447i think this might be the longest comment ive ever seen on youtube

  • @tsume_akuma8321
    @tsume_akuma8321 Месяц назад +2

    Honestly, Mega Evolutions are the most fun gimmick.
    Also having a bit of a hot take here,
    I think If Mega Evolutions came after Terra and Dynamax, it would be seen as the evolution of it, instead of a step back.
    Dynamax is essentially just "What if pokemon, but Power Rangers!",
    and Terra is "What if Pokemon, but different type!",
    whereas Megas say "What if Pokemon, but you add another, temporary Evolution?"
    It feels like the most complete, most thought out "gimmick", which I think they only didn't continue with adding to new Pokemon, is because it's a lot of extra work, for essentially an extended attack animation.

  • @OmegaGamer1989
    @OmegaGamer1989 Месяц назад +5

    7:15 I'm sorry but this is just FACTUALLY wrong. The idea that any Pokemon can be strong and be viable and competitive is literally the ENTIRE ETHOS of the series. I still remember in the anime when Ash got to the Indigo League and got his ass whooped by a Bellsprout. A BELLSPROUT. For that matter, how many insane victories did Ash pull off with Pikachu, despite Pikachu being absolute garbage competitively?
    See, THAT is how pokemon is meant to be. ANY pokemon can be strong. ANY pokemon can be a champion. And the best trainers make teams of the Pokemon they LIKE; not the Pokemon that are "the strongest."
    To say that not every pokemon needs to be viable in competition is just factually and objectively antithetical to the entire philosophy of the series.
    Also, how are you gonna argue that not every pokemon needs to be viable or competitive, but then ALSO argue that mechanics like Terra or Dyna are better because ALL pokemon can use them? Pick a lane.

    • @dave9515
      @dave9515 27 дней назад +1

      Finally a pokemon fan that gets it. Competitive players and people obsessed with metas are so toxic then they have the gall to call casuals toxic when they have made GF change stuff like when they got smeargle removed for more than one gen after smeargle destroyed their "metagame".

  • @RebelliousTreecko
    @RebelliousTreecko Месяц назад +140

    Mega evolution gave Sceptile a Dragon type, which was something I wanted to see for many years.

    • @itsturniptime3699
      @itsturniptime3699 Месяц назад +5

      And it couldn’t learn Draco Meteor because it was a tutor move for dragons which Sceptile and Ampharos technically weren’t

    • @Gnoggin
      @Gnoggin  Месяц назад +8

      But would a regional Gress/dragon sceptile be just as if not more cool?

    • @echoecho2763
      @echoecho2763 Месяц назад +48

      @@Gnoggin With respect, no. The reason I dislike regional variants is it can leave the original in the dust and be forgotten or never used. The original Sceptile will probably always be the coolest and fan favorite, so to have a different form replace it would be in bad taste. Rather with a mega, you get the cool design, type, and buffed stats with your favorite pokemon, without taking away its original form because it reverts back to it. I would much rather have my favorite pokemon Steelix get its sick mega design, and better usage, rather then some weird paradox pokemon that doesn't make alot of sense and it just super overpowered where you never look at normal Steelix again... Cough Delibird,

    • @feyrethsolair7127
      @feyrethsolair7127 Месяц назад +4

      @@GnogginSee I’d have liked it if Megas had have been kept along as regional forms! It’s the fact they only got one generation to shine that makes me miss them. Dynamax and Terastal didn’t really have the same feel and Z-moves were such a flash in the pan that I kind of forgot it existed.

    • @MrMisutei
      @MrMisutei Месяц назад +18

      ​@@GnogginNot at all because that is another pokemon that is part of the Sceptile family but is not Sceptile.
      That is the thing with paradox and regional forms, they are not adding to the pokemon they are based of, they are replacing it.
      Alolan ninetales is very used, but nobody even look to Kantonian Ninetales, Sirfetch'd is a really cool evolution for... galar farfetch'd, meanwhile Kalos farferch'd is just as dead as always.
      Like many people already said, mega evolution really do something for the original pokemon without replacing it but enhancing it, that is the why at least for me is better.

  • @ZachZombie
    @ZachZombie Месяц назад +27

    The implicit "Beedrill didn't deserve a Mega because it's a Gen 1 Mon" is quite possibly the biggest slap in the face I've ever heard.
    I do agree that a lot of already strong Pokémon getting special treatment is stupid. Like, did Venusaur and Blaziken really NEED Megas? Absolutely not; if any starter deserved a Mega, it was Meganium. But BEEDRILL?! Beedrill and Mawile are the commonly cited poster children for Mega Evolution giving a much-needed boost in power. The whole "It's a Gen 1 Mon, so it's excluded" idea just doesn't mesh with that for me; it goes against the point of Mega Evolution. In my eyes, Mega Evolution should be that whole anime thing about "beating the odds with the power of friendship" and "the underdog punching up against the big strong bad guy." Y'know, all that trope-y stuff. The limited pool of Mons that can do it is part of the appeal for me. If every Pokémon can do it, then being able to do it isn't special. Like, yeah, Dynamaxing is cool and all, but everyone talks about GIGANTAMAXING; certain Pokémon achieved new, beefed-up forms when Dynamaxing, and wouldn't you know it: a lot of them are Mons that the general public doesn't care much for otherwise, like Centiskorch, Garbodor, Coalossal, or even Inteleon.
    Oversaturation of a gimmick doesn't help anyone, but letting the less powerful Mons get a chance in the spotlight is what Mega Evolving IS to me; it's what it should be; it's what I worked SEVEN GYMS FOR through BLOOD, SWEAT, AND TEARS. [Side Note for Context: the fan game Floral Tempus locks Beedrillite behind being able to use Surf, and you can't use Surf outside of battle until you beat the seventh gym out of twelve, when you get like a dozen stones for Mons like Heracross, Houndoom, and Absol WAY before that.]
    "Oh, but Beedrill doesn't NEED a Mega; KANTOOOOOO rule!" Then why haven't we seen it since Gen 7, AKA the last generation to have Mega Evolutions in it as of now? Like, to me, that's just a little more than a weird coincidence.
    "But Pokémon are harmed by Mega Evolution!" Not all of them. Heracross just gets a bit sore once it reverts to normal, and Pinsir actually ENJOYS Mega Evolving because of its new wings. Coincidentally, Mega Beedrill's Dex entriy makes ZERO MENTION of the long-term effects of Mega Energy, despite the Alolan Dex being notoriously hardcore. If anything, I feel like it'd just get more aggressive and protective, because that's just how Beedrill acts in general.
    "Mega Evolution is HORRIBLY balanced! I bet you HATE Teras, don't you?! Teras are the BEST because they're BALANCED!" (Sorry for the exaggeration of that.) Oh, wow... it's almost like people play games casually, and don't really give a damn about competitive balance. This is also the reason why I find it hilarious when people take down a team of Legendaries with, like, a Bidoof or something.
    My point is, the Generation a Pokémon is from should have no bearing on its treatment in future. Like, seriously, when was the last time anyone gave a damn about Venomoth, or Fearrow, or even Starmie? It has to DESERVE it. And in my (admittedly very inexperienced) eyes, Beedrill was in desperate of something like this. And even then, compared to other Megas (notably the Starters and the Psuedos), it just lags behind... Fitting, isn't it? Even when it gets special attention, everyone just uses the better ones... Damn.
    I know I'm probably biased cause it was my first proper Shiny, and it carried me through the first two Gyms, and all that. Just... the anguish I felt when I realized my Beedrill would have to just... sit in the Box for the rest of the playthrough. But then... I was told of the Beedrillite. Finally, a glimmer of hope! And when I finally got it... he was finally back... and better than ever... So, pardon my rant; I just... it feels like you've spat in the face of everything I worked for. My attachment to Mega Evolution isn't about nostalgia; I've only gotten into this franchise earlier this year. Just HAVING this form now... it reminds me of all that I've done: The Mons I caught, the battles I fought, all of it for the sake of one Bug. So... admittedly, trashing on Megas and ESPECIALLY Mega Beedrill is just... it feels like a personal attack, I guess.

    • @egbertmilton4003
      @egbertmilton4003 Месяц назад +1

      Oh, you know what would have been better though? If they actually buffed Beedrill’s base stats and move pool. Just accept that Mega Evolutions were an embarrassment of an addition. You don’t work towards a Mega, there’s no blood sweat and tears, it’s literally a button press and that’s it. And like you said, Beedrill’s Mega was heavily outclassed by more popular Pokémon with Megas, who you would be giving up a slot for. So, the mechanic didn’t even work to give Beedrill the spot light. Just because Megas made a Pokemon you liked a little better, doesn’t mean it was a good mechanic.

    • @revantobias8567
      @revantobias8567 Месяц назад +6

      ​@egbertmilton4003
      If people had fun then it was a good mechanic. The point of this game is to have fun. Fun can be had in many different ways.
      For many casuals, megas are fun. Yet we are belittled by lockstin and comments like yours.
      If GF wasn't so lazy and greedy they could have fixed the issues competitive purists have while letting us casual continue to have our fun. But they got rid of it like they do with every good thing in these games.

    • @songrimredtide4352
      @songrimredtide4352 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@egbertmilton4003 You know what would be even better, accepting that you're subjective view works for you and not others. What would be better, is not calling something that some people enjoy an embarrassment, because you didn't like it.
      There isn't a need to buff beedrill, having a mega for it was fine. There is always going to be a meta. Funny enough Gen 6 meta, was surprisingly healthy. Sure you had one or two megas on a team, but remember you were trading utility for that. Outside of the Ray. Ray was the exception not the rule. But a lot of the Mega's were more utility based and a good chunk where used because of that. Gen 7 had a relatively healthy meta as well while having access to both Z moves and mega.
      Why are you acting like the meta in other games is super diverse it really isn't. Objectively you end up with like 30ish Pokémon being relevant and then a few one offs that have zero meta relevance and is someone try harding to make it work. Also depending on if you played by set rules or not would determine the state of the Meta. Mega was neither good or bad, it just was their and some people loved it and some didn't.
      The whole point of megabeedrill is the mind game. The fact you have it and you may use it makes it real interesting for how to engage in battle. It gets even more interesting as realistically you wouldn't be using it. But you notice you opponent has a team you could realistically set up fell stinger against, suddenly beedrill is viable.
      But more importantly then that, let's not forget that at that time and even now gamefreak doesn't care about the competitive scene. Any argument for that is out of touch, and fantasizing. That is entirely something the fans like and overrate. Game freak cares about making a fun rpg experience they just have pvp in it. To them having a combination of having early game pokemon doing something new and evolve outside of it intended use, or more popular mega's being used for fun is just part of the fun. It was fun for a lot, and it was lame to others. Both are fine. The gimmick objectively was perfect for it's purpose, and despite what anyone said it was always intended as a gimmick. (Literally X and Y flat out say that. ORAS reached so hard to make it work. And the only reason gen VII had anything to do with Mega's was because of the remnants of X and Y that were incomplete and were put half baked into utra variants of the game.)
      The reality is Mega's work almost entirely due to lore, and the fact that it was intrinsically a part of the whole bond between the trainer and pokemon is a large reason why it was so loved. (A surprising number of fans legitimately love lore and Mega evolution more so then any other fits in pokemons overall lore better then any other gimmick) I knew it was gimmick, and as a whole I enjoy it.
      The pokemon I wanted to get mega's weren't even considered (Parasect, who no I never want it to get an updated BST or movepool It's stupid pokemon whose ability and typing makes it borderline unusuable and I would have it no other way. To change that would defeat part of what I like about it as my favorite pokemon. also have litterally zero interest in any regional variant and realistically would hate a regional variant. Then there is milotic just beacause I'm curious what the supposedly most beautiful pokemon would evolve to for more beauty, and think not having mega for contest was the greatest blunder that gamefreak did that generation. The fact that not a single gen VI pokemon got a mega still annoys me. Avulugg deserved better).
      Just to go on it isn't nostalgia that's the excuse people are giving because they just didn't like it. That's okay Mega's weren't for them. I dislike Dynamaxing and honestly if gamefreak removed dynamaxing and only had gmaxing I would like it much better. Terastelization I like, hate the design of it, but functionality wise I like it. (I also do not think it is remotely balanced, and is be far the least balanced of any gimmick, but still love it functionally). And for both those systems I just accept they aren't really for me and that's okay. It's not nostalgia or first time bias that makes people love them. it's something about how those individual's play the game and engage with those gimmick that works for them, and more power to them. I hope that for the people that like those gimmicks find them instrisict enough to their enjoyment to want to have them back. If not I then think that those are objectively bad gimmicks that gamefreak messed up on their delivery. That would be saddening to learn.
      Now to give nostalgia gen one had the best thunder, thunderbolt, and bubble beam VFX and SFX. That's nostalgia. And I will die on that hill. But I acknowledge that is nostalgia.

  • @DKforever24
    @DKforever24 Месяц назад +3

    From a worldbuilding standpoint as well, it doesn't make much sense to say "pokemon in this region and this region alone are capable of breaking normal pokemon limits" and not see it spread to the wider pokemon world. Comparing to irl history, its like China inventing rockets and guns, but they never spread beyond to the rest of Eurasia.
    It kind of begs the question of whether each region developed pokeballs independently of each other simultaneously or is each region just supposed to be its own isolated world or what?

  • @someone-ww4jk
    @someone-ww4jk Месяц назад +2

    14:06 aggressively eats chips while rambling

  • @mung01re
    @mung01re Месяц назад +38

    The pain/crazed aspect also doesn’t happen for every Mega. Pinsir seems pretty happy with it.