How Much Tractor for $275,000? AGCO Challenger MT655D Review
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024
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I have no reason to learn or know anything about tractors but absolutely loved this video
I want to like but it’s at 69
I liked it
No wonder all the farmers around here are rebuilding the old stuff.
This video is the first time ive ever seen inside the cab/under the bonnet of a modern tractor. Jeees these things are complicated.
This one looks like a bit of a cheapo wreck with problems coming that i would hate to have to diagnose.
John Parrish yea, we just finished a two year search to find a 110hp tractor that wasn’t a total piece of shit or over priced! Any decent used tractor without DEF has rocketed in value the last few years.
Most of the guys here further south and west are keeping their stuff a little longer if they're not big. The big guys who roll equipment every few years don't seem to care how complicated it is as long as JD and other send techs out to fix it when its down. If something in a roll program is down too much, they just switch brands. They also seem to put 2000 hours+ on some of their machines every year.
@@chevyon37s seen a 4440 go for high dollar, reliable NO DEF Engine is a great peice of mind is demanding a high price. In the South East US there is alot of older Iron, primarily CASE and Deere stuff with Ford/New Holland and Massey in between, you do see some new Equipment here and there but most is 20+ years old and still working hard.
@@chevyon37s what tractor did you get
Glad to see some more Ag gear on the channel, keeps the farmers interested!
Great review, and opinion on it. I'll never own a tractor but dig this video. The squeaky chair, rattling instrument cluster housing , loose console, 1 cup holder would erk me if spending 275k and riding that daily. Thanks Rich
Hey Rich,
Great video! Being in the Agribusiness industry here in Chandler, Arizona, man we'd love to see more content like this one as I highly respect your opinions as well as your insight on various types of especially the articulated models.
That video you did a long time ago about a Versatile, where you lengthened the frame was outstanding.
Cheers Rich !
One of my favorite memories of running heavy equipment is watching my coworker driving the skidder on the road in 8th gear(top speed) and he went to slow down and instead of getting it in a lower gear it went into park and i got to watch the machine lock up on the road and slam him into the front windshield hard!
If that was built in MN I probably helped put that thing together. Sub assembled the radiator the fuel tank, the def tank, routed the engine and trans harness, probably helped set the cab!
So the squeaky chair is your fault lol
svtirefire 🤣🤣🤣👍
Hey Jimmy.
that squeaking when you're going down the road would drive me insane
swae yup especially when it’s only a year old lol
dan magda they stopped making these tractors in 2013 what you on about a year old
Greg Shearer yeah I don’t know why I said a year old lmao too many brews while watching I guess
dan magda a well everyone been there 😂
My dad and I got along fine with one because we both take our coffee the same way. As for the water, I just duct taped a foam cooler in place.
Why do they always cheap out on the plastics?
There is no worse material than cheap plastic.
Hartsock Thomson couple of reasons, mainly highest durability compared to cost. can you imagine the tooling and production costs to make that from metal? That cost would be passed on to the end user!
ross fowler yea for the cost it’s great, but they still build the plastic interior parts way too cheaply and thin. They just need more material. I’ve taken apart two John Deere’s a ‘94 and a ‘02 and the plastic dashes just crumble apart. The brass nutserts in the plastic fall out when you’re trying to remove them.
@@rossfowler5252 yeah for 275k you should be getting sheet metal sure
@@jacksonledford6874 no...carbon fibre for that kind of money!
There is better grade plastic out there. A lot of OEM's use that same type of stuff and it seems like they use the same supplier. There are nicer finished cabs in the industry and this particular unit looks very well beat and on a low maintenance package lol
Here's the get rich idea come up with non proprietary software for these new tractors kinda like hp tuners or holley.All these farmers are stuck using only the factory reps because the software is not avalible to anyone.Watched a few videos on the issues these farmers face when a tractor goes down and nobody can fix it except the dealers and they are swamped for months at a time.All manufacturer's are using proprietary software and holding farmers hostage.They are trying to get through to congress but don't think it's gaining any ground
I watched a video about that. I can't believe these guys dont band together and say we dont buy it if we cant fix it. If your going to force a guy to fix it only using your rep and your specific software than you do it for free. There should be a law against that.
Everybody out to screw the working man
There is non-proprietary software available, lot of it. Unfortunately, it voids the factory warranty. Great for use once the warranty period expires, but not worth it while the vehicle is under warranty
You can tighten the 2 armrest adjustment screws under the armrest to snug up the armrest.
Check out that mint K-car in the background. What a machine.
Mr. Regular would be all over it like a fly on fresh cow patty.
I mowed s man's yard with my push mower in about 1995 ....and he gave me a K car....I sold it for $300
You'd think for the $$$ the dash and control console would be tighter BUT I also have farmed for 35ish years in S Ky and it seems like our fields are rough as hell and our tractors take a whipping!!
GREAT VIDEO AS ALWAYS & GREAT REVIEW!!!!
I don't always comment but when I do I give this channel a big 👍👍👍 for the awesome content and diversity thanks Rich
What I can't stand (But what I DO understand) is that 99% of all farmers treat their machinery like shit. No cleaning, keeping up or any of that sort. My father and I keep our machines clean and up to date. Something just as easy as a monthly rinse can do a shit load to the longevity.
OT: Great review; keep em coming Rich!
As a DIY I can't stress that enough. If you care about your machinery and keep it clean at least, it and the mechanic that has to work on it will thank you back 2 folds.
A hot pressure washer on the outside and some elbow grease on the interior will keep things nice for years to come.
You must have taken years to survey all the farmers in the country, or perhaps you are making a sweeping generalisation with that '99% of all farmers'......
I live on a dairy farm down in the states (Pennsylvania to be exact) and as well as the dairy cows we also have a custom manure spreading business we run a challenger 665d and 2 Massey Ferguson 8730's we deleted the def system on our challenger and haven't had any problems since also another cool little fact about the challengers is if you look around behind the rear tires you will actually see FENDT stamped on the transmission housing so yeah fendt transmission its pretty minty👌🏻
I’ve used these for grain cart this year. My boss just upgraded and this was hard as hell to get used too
I have driven the newer one and there a blast to drive. Used it to pull a disc ripper and did it like nothing.
I helped my brother build a Massey this past winter left outside rusty up to top even Ga. Good Perkins engine good video
The switch at 4:47 changes how fast the front wheel turn in relation to the steering wheel.
I worked on the big one. On a dairy farm. Was used for pile up and push shit. Pain in the ass to work on
If I remember right Rich, in the owners manual there is a way to run the tractor off the accelerator pedal. It then works like a car or a truck automatic transmission. When you run them through the counsel it is putting the accuators in programmed positions and that is were the slamming is coming from. The counsel is more for field work. Worth a look. Great video.
I think the cases have the throttle pedal backwards too. That way when you come up to a ditch, you slow the tractor down with the throttle pedal. Let go and it goes back to cruise speed. I don't think this one has that
Couldn't remember, that was 2004 when I went to school for them, been out the game for a bit, but that was the Massey's. The Challenger is the stripped down version. You are probably right they may not have that features that the Massey's or Fendt's have. Hell of a trans though,super simple and been around since the early 90's. It may be just in the programming. Another thought I'd check a the sensitivity knob, it might need to be adjusted. Unfortunately, if that don't do it you need a Windtest computer/ system to access any additional information/ parameters. good luck.
@@DEBOSSGARAGE The Challenger track tractors have a decel pedal by your left foot, but correct, wheeled do not. The Challenger/Massey wheeled do have a Pedal/Stick mode button on the armrest that you can see in the video, above the PTO switch, to the right of the SV 1/2 rocker switch. You can also adjust the sensitivity of the CVT in 4 stages, and I noticed you were in F3 which is a bit more responsive with F4 being the highest and gives the quickest acceleration. Good video. Was an ME Tech at the Jackson plant for 8 years starting in 2011.
My father in law just bought John Deere 4455 at a auction on Monday just to stay away from new crap. 4500 hours $62500. 1890 model
Wow didn't know JD was building them before the 1900s
Great vid Rich and a welcomed change of topics IMO. Been researching and found out what a nightmare the EGR engines are especially if the regen is repeatedly ignored (which happens when hired help drives the unit) Also problems occur apparently if these engines are idling for long periods of time. Anyway, enjoyed your input and opinions on this one, cheers.
That's why I like FPT (Case and New Holland) engines. They have no EGR or DPF.
Those DANA Quadlink front axles are a total pain to repair after the bearings fail roughly at 7000 hours!!! Had a 6270 with one in the shop and a 7495. total mess. the bearings rot on to the shafts and you cannot get in there, because its all housed. So it's just pounding with the good old 5 kg hammer.
I don't see any igloos. Is that even Canada?
Global warming got us bad this year
...and I was excited when I realized my lawnmower had cruise control...
This tractor is just more than I would ever need..but who really needs a lot of the cars/trucks/atvs /boats/LOL..But I like the video..learning new stuff everday hear..I have a fass filter system ordered for my truck..Thanks for the information..I knw you have tons of experience hands on work..The tapboss video I hardly could tell it was You..The tapeboss by the way is a must have..God Bless to you and the family at Deboss garage.
that rpm gauge wobble is the definition of massey fergusen guality nowadays. and yes they share the same gauges
Be curious if it still runs that bale chopper. I know that armrest being loose, is mostly just a bolt issue. Tighten it back up and it’s good to go. Never did have that front cluster wiggle like that. Seat just needs some lube and that squeak goes away. Just like anything else, noise happens when moveables dry out or run out of lube.
Remove dpf filters. A mild power wash back to front and let dry. Will Regen less often.
Sticker on the hood says " Dey's " .. that tractor dealer is just down the road from me.. cool
The cab in that tractor is the same as massy Ferguson in uk from shuttle to dash the the light switches
Clean that interior. Clean it all!
Chuck Eelhart you should see our one tractor, versatile 4WD... It has about 3/4 of an inch of pure dust built up on the inside because it does not have AC so you need to have the windows open. doesn't have a heater either so you can imagine its pretty fun haha
It's a farm tractor, not a show piece. That IS clean.
Just rewatching this and I realized that a buddy of mine sold this days equipment
We run the larger articulated version of that cab and the seat squeak is all to familiar
Armrest is similar, but the cab is different design on the 900 series articulated.
That sloppy console is not acceptable on a tractor that new! The command arm in my old JD 8100 is still tight and no squeaks. Think i will keep running Deere in my fleet.
Yeah I hear those die cast models are quite detailed now! #carpetFarming
@@rossfowler5252 wtf?
379insk agreed, that floppy command arm would drive me nuts!
@@chevyon37s ....yeah for $275k you would expect better. I would rather have it in Massey red. Even if its the same tractor resale would be higher in Canada
Stephen Day a more rigid arm would make it easier to hit the buttons since the arm moves with the suspension seat
By the looks of the inside this tractor has been worked hard. That has a lot to do with your complaints.
You got most of the facts correct but that engine does not do a regen. No AGCO (SISU) engine does a regen. Its not a new tractor, it going to have a few squeaks that could easily be fixed with a little spray lube and possibly tighten up the right arm rest. By looking at the tires it has a few thousand hours on it. That's like a car with 100,000 plus.
Taking Allis down the rabbit hole, eh? Those who don't know, AGCO is the rebranded name Allis-Chalmers operates under.
"Telescoping steering wheel controls" are the auto steer controls
SISU engines are fairly reliable and make a lot of power, but they're an absolute nightmare to rebuild.
Are you saying that the only way to drive that thing is using the velocity drive stick thing?
Fendt, challenger, Massey, valtra all owned by agco. We have post agco purchase valtra very similar cheap plastic squeaky Interior too. Have run fendts as well. Much nicer machine when it comes to creature comforts but ultimately does the same job. If your buying to run yourself fendt, if paying employee to run for you, challenger.
could they have made a crappier tractor as far as the plastics go for what you pay for it think ill stay with my old john deere
The windshield is an absolute pain to change
I still really like the cat at the end :D
In these model years, more like a Massey/Agco with a yellow paint job...
Hey someone else on here who actually knows what there talking about. Not a lot of that normally.
Hey! Speed Academy is waiting for you to get that Audi of yours finished.
Fresh off the dyno and heading to the track!
Suuuuuwwwweeeeet!
Cant wait for those videos rich!
anyone else notice that K car in the background? A nice Reliant automobile
I live on 2/3 acre. Is this too much tractor?
Never too much tractor 👍
No such thing as too much tractor
a bit small I'd recommend a big bud 747
Not at all, you've got plenty of room to park it!
For doing fieldwork on a bright day the tinted windows are worth every penny
As long as you don't want to carry on after dark.
Lol our Ford 7710 4wd has like 4 switches,( they all work yet) and you gotta be a 400lb gorilla to hurt the thing, out of the 20 year we have owned it we have put a single clutch in it, it doesn’t have enough piwer to lift some of the 3-point implements we use so we use the loader and push the front up and lift at the same time amd it just keeps chuggin along😂
"2 seats 1 cup holder, thats gonna start a fight" lol or maybe the passenger is for holding more cups!
Now you would think that for a tractor that does mostly road work, road tires would be optimal🤔
Sisu used to make trucks inFinland and maybe engines for Valmet/Valtra tractors, but now the Sisu trucks have Mercedes engines and auto trannies dont think the whole Sisu is a Finnish owned company anymore. Atleast i think this agco has a Sisu diesel like some masseys
275k to drop on a tractor? Might as well add a third Case Magnum 280 with power shift to the fleet, ain't no way I'm getting a CVT on the big boy tractors
Put the tires on backwards, attest the front. And ware's better.
I want to know more about that bale chopper that requires 200+ HP. Our Jaylor mixer only requires 75hp.
What model is it
INCO Jaylor 5575
“Squinted potato glasses” you also need to be color blind 😂😂
If you’re ever in Texas I would totes let you review my Case IH Quadtrac 620-boosted to 730.
You mean you can build the quadtro debatro but but you can’t figure out newer diesel emissions. Doc dpf scr. There is a company called jball electronics in Canada that will take care of all your emissions woes. Good video keep it up.
An old 8N ford will do for my plowing
There's nothing like an old mechanically injected tractor.
Shabby built like Massey’s but that vario transmission is bloody great, great video again keep up the good work 👍🏽
First there was Valmet then Sisu and Valmet got together and it was SisuValmet. Then SisuValmet changed it's name to Valtra and after that Agco bought Valtra. Valmet made it's engines in Suolahti Finland where they also made and built the whole tractor by them selves. Todays Valtras here in Finland have Agco engines and drivelines that they build in China. Absolute crap. Everything else in Valtras are still made and built in Suolahti Finland. We still have Agco engine factory here in Nokia Finland but the finnish engines aren't put to tractors that Valtra delivers to Finland. Here you can't get a fully domestic tractor because the Agco engines are all shipped abroad. Nokias Agco engine factory is the place where they used to build Sisu engines and those are basically the same engines but if it's not build in Nokia Finland it's quality is sadly pretty poor. Does Challenger actually have a Finnish Sisu engine or is it a Chinese Agco?
Where do you fill the hydrolic fluid
$275,000 is the cheap version? Yikes.
Challenger < Versatile
So a $1000 for every 1hp lol sure
275 grand jesus tour could buy a fendt for that
Yes. A fendt with a MAN engine
That challenger isn't a fendt it's a Massey till the body work and some of the interior. The only challenger/fendt is in the new 1000 series tractors and new crawler tractors.
The 1000 series is made by Fendt in Germany. The Challenger and recently Fendt rubber track tractors were designed and built in Jackson, MN and have now started using the Fendt CVT instead of the Cat 16 spd.
curious how many hours were on it?
Is Fendt the only other alternative brand they have up there in the great white north?
These two tractors are under the AGCO group banner, wich also has Massey Ferguson And Valtra. All of then available in North America
New Holland. Fendt. Case IH. John Deer. all available in Canada probably more but that's what I see the most
Wow come along ways since the case steam tractor and ford jubilee. Hahaha
Where are you from
In my opinion Agco is not the best with there electronics, in my experience i have a 2008 Massey 5455 tractor and since we bought when it was a year old, had the whole computer replaced, that forward/reverse switch on the steering column, all new injectors at 2400 hrs, lost all initial settings like how much hrsprs its set at and boost psi etc, and it still surges a little bit between 1900 and 2150 rpms. But our 2009 Massey 9795 combine is a much better piece of equipment than the tractor, in my opinion, its heavier built and just a better design than most combines of that time
Good looking tractor but I prefer deere
That’s a thousand bucks per horse 🤷🏼♂️. I’d assume a buck’s stronger than a horse. Idk which I’d rather
My Rc tractor has less plastic on it than this thing :( Still good looking tho.
No more "dusty old farmers out working your fields..." not with that A/C compressor and enclosed cab. Nice rig.
like a shittily built massey. A lot of things in the cab have the same design as masseys quite a few years older than 2011
front tire looks bad ??
Sorry
The engine is not made by sisu
It’s made by AGCO Power
Still a sisu, made in same factory... Barely anything has changed... I think...
Junneri nope, you are wrong
Sisu and Agco power have nothing to do with each other any more
@@martinandersson5278 this is from wikipedia... The purchase of Valtra also included SISU Diesel engines. A Finland based diesel engine manufacturer with production in Brazil as well. But i am not sure if they sold it at some point.
Junneri sisu diesel does not exist today
It’s all Agco power today supplying AGCO group with engines
Sisu is using Mercedes Benz engines and gearboxes
Sisu still makes their own axles
@@martinandersson5278 yeah, thats what i meant... Sisu (trucks) dont make engines but agco bought the sisu diesel engine manufacturing and it got renamed to agco power. But engines are basicly still the same sisu diesels.
Looks like they are ways behind Valtra etc.. 🤷♂️
Valtra is acctually pretty good tractor. Atleast the older once that were made in Finland.
The Massey plant in Beauvais France makes the Massey, Valtra, and Challenger, except for most of the North American 500 and 600 series Challenger and similar Masseys that are built in Jackson, MN using the French design. Not to be confused with the Challenger track tractors which were designed and built in Jackson and shipped around the world. They started off as Cat drivetrain, but Cat wouldn't redesign them to meet emissions so are now Finland made SISU engine with Fendt drivetrain. They are also now building the green Fendt track version there and all have the dependable CVT with no clutches to fail.
the tires are slightly worn
Basicly a Ferguson 7726 just much more expensive
Why isn’t it green?
Aint that pretty much a Massey in yellow?
Yup
Nice!!
Shure tis but a Massey Ferguson
275.000 ? for that you should get like an 826 Fendt new here
You should try the fendt 7 series 2000 - 2007
Or just buy the 1050 fendt.
If someone paid 275 thousand for it you would have thought they would at least keep a nice clean cab just general maintenance really
What happens if you fart in reverse do you hit the back window? That's a huge safety issue. Needs a recall on sneezing and farting while operating
You are how old?
@@alexveldhuis6004 I would think it's more childish to try and insult me instead of just skimming through a joke that wasn't to your liking. Just curious did that make your day if so please come with more.
@@lovetolearn5253 I'm 55, how old are you?
@@alexveldhuis6004 19
@@alexveldhuis6004 not sure how that's relevant
The regen system on off road diesels is insane and you can think the government for that bullshit . It blows my mind the company’s are not fighting back .
Okay, non-farmer here: why are there no pedals? I realize that in the field you want to just set a speed and let it go, but not even an extra brake pedal? Is there some other reason that this non-farmer is totally missing?
oh yeah, and: Sucks to be a leftie.
There are no clutches in tractors anymore. Everything is electric over hydraulic. That being said, there are still pedals because in a panic situation, it is instinct but they are not needed.
Thanks for the clarification. Still sucks to be a lefty, though... :-) (I'm not a lefty, but I know several...)
DEBOSS GARAGE with all due respect that’s not quite true, no clutches as you traditionally recognise on the flywheel but there are multiple clutches/clutch packs in most tractor gearboxes power shift, semi power shift, 16x16, dct and the cnh cvt all have clutch packs.
@@rossfowler5252 splitting hairs now. Yes, clutch packs...
DEBOSS GARAGE my bad, ever need a manual for one hit me up!
To be fair, your pinky finger is stronger than most men’s index fingers.
Well the tractors sold 30 -40 years ago did the job just fine at 2.500 to 3.000 $ ..inflation must stop now..
What model of tractor could you buy new for $2500-3000 in 1980-90?
275K for a 5 year old tractor? Ridiculous.