When I learned Krav, I learned to take away the gun first using both hands then strike. Get offline while grabbing gun, use the barrel as a lever to pry it out of the guys hand(s), strike with the gun, back up, then tap, rack, and aim.
@@mikesiley4897 Thank you for your insightful comment. There are many ways to disarm a handgun. But the only way to train is to train with an attacker who truly resists you. That is when the good is separated from the bad. All the best with your training !
Agree the "old" technique of pushing the muzzle with one hand is a weak technique and should not be taught. The improved response is one hand on the gun and the other hand in the rear as a clamp while redirecting the muzzle and attacking. It would have been good to see more iterations of solutions.
Hi @Daniel-lee888 Thank you for your insightful comment. The improved response that you described means having both your hands down, with you in range and in a very vulnerable position to be countered. Also keep in mind that the attacker would have sustained no significant damage up to that point and will definitely have a reflex and fight back like hell. wether it is the "old" technique or "improved" technique, it still remains ineffective against resistance. About showing a solution : You are correct, I could have spent more time explaining my solution. I did however not want to make an instructional. I just wanted to make people aware of the dangers of a very "popular" technique. I do briefly show a solution but I will post a full instructional today and link it to this video. All the best and thank you for watching.
Seriously though, the reality of it is this, when you grab that gun your hand is over the slide and the bad guy is going to instinctively pull that trigger, which is going to jam that pistol. Your premise is simply ill thought, but thanks for trying
@jeffreyplumley9543 you are quite defensive about a technique that I clearly show the pitfall in. Do you know of anyone who pulled this technique off when resisted ? I know of quite a lot of Krav practitioners who tried this at their trial session at my school and failed. Thank goodness for them it was not a real attack, BTW, also what if the attacker does not pull the trigger ? Also so what if he does and there is a jam, that does not incapacitate the attacker. He can simply slap, rack and shoot. Then lastly, how sure are you that the attacker can't fight ? look at anyone attempting this disarm and you will see that the attacker can easy fight back, especially because you inevitably drop both hands with a bad body position and in range of a simple counter. Nice try though
@ your assumptions are frankly silly as you can never assume anything about how the gunman will react. You can gameplan all you want but the reality is that every technique or action has a counter to it that can stop said technique from working. We can train together and I’ll show you how your assumptions that your ideas are somehow foolproof or at least better are silly and you’re going to get people hurt with your nonsense.
@ I will get far less people hurt than with the nonsense you think works. Send me an address where you train and I will try my best to make it there. I give seminars all over the world so I am bound to be relatively close somewhere in the next 12 months 👍
@@TruekravTraining ok sport. You do you and all that. Thanks for the laughs. If only you were in the Atlanta metro so your students could train at a better school
You didn't actually do that defense even remotely correctly. Multiple errors, including some really egregious ones. If you're going to do that particular one, muzzle should get redirected towards the attacker and essentially welded to their body. "True Krav" would know it needs to follow RCAT. You failed at the C, because your version doesn't actually control the weapon before you attack. While I also have issues with it, you lose all credibility if you're not even going to do the technique by the book.
I actually have a member who had to do a gun disarm when he was hijacked at a fuel station in Cape Town. I would argue that neither you, nor any one of your students (if you instruct) have ever done “your correct version” in reality. Before you want to take on my credibility I suggest lets start with that first 😉👍
@TruekravTraining you'd actually be wrong on that. I've actually personally survived 3 active shooter situations, and been in quite a few more incidents, thanks to my work. But that's immaterial, because, no matter the subject, you can't critique something that you're not doing correctly. That's like saying "these people say that 1+1=5, and they're wrong", when they actually don't say that at all. Literally textbook fallacy (straw man). In order to debunk something, you have to get it right first. Also, "one of my members"? Really? Might as well say "I know a guy". That's also, textbook, by the way. (Appeal to personal). Just because you (or "a member of yours") has been in a situation, doesn't change the FACT that you didn't perform the technique correctly in your demo. The fact that you don't understand that merely further illustrates your lack of credibility. If you don't have the redirect correct, and keep weight on it, you don't have control, and the attacker can easily just yank back and you'll be in the line of fire again, because you violated the core Krav principle of RCAT. If you don't know what that is, you have no business critiquing it. That being said, because the success of the technique depends on a nuance like that, which is in my opinion closer to fine motor control, it's not the best simply because people like you will see it, copy it incorrectly, and get themselves killed. That's why I prefer the right side redirect technique, if I'm going to use one from Krav Maga. SMH, "one of my members".
@crimsonfalcon07 I might not do the technique perfectly but I probably do it better than 90% of everyone that does krav. I actually showed a way better way of disarming the weapon at the end but you are completely silent on that. I have no problem demonstrating that this technique is BS on any Krav Maga expert out there. And that includes you 👍
@@TruekravTraining maybe because 90% of people that "do Krav" are McDojo types that don't actually do Krav, just like you. And the majority of the people practicing are also beginners. So that's an utterly meaningless claim to make. I agree that the technique, as you do it, is BS. But it's also not Krav Maga at all, as it violates several core principles. The simple fact is that you're using Krav Maga for clout, but don't do the technique correctly, making whatever you have to say worthless. Take your machismo attitude to Wingate and try your nonsense with the instructors there. Post the results, if you dare. If you are going to critique something, you need to begin from a position of competence. Otherwise you're no different from other channels that are rank amateurs, post up, say, a punch that's technically flawed, and then claim to critique it. If you actually have something of value to offer, you need to get the technique right FIRST. Otherwise you're going to get this type of comment. And your inability to take ownership for your mistake really highlights that there's no need for anyone to think there's anything of value, because you continue to demonstrate that you know nothing of what Krav Maga actually teaches, and your channel seems to depend on that. Now, if your thought was to critique the flawed copycat techniques coming from fraudulent places that claim to represent Krav Maga, indeed. But you aren't any different from those places, because you also don't understand the core principles. Leave the defense of Krav to the real inheritors, and if you want to claim you are doing it better than real Krav Maga, test yourself at Wingate. If you can't work up the courage for that, at least try it out with Darren Levine, John Whitman, or Mark Slane. Get it straight from the head instructors. Back your claim up and let's see the video. And frankly, Krav being what it is, if you actually have something better, they'll love it, and will adopt your technique, and likely credit you.
I think you should rethink your use of language. At about 3:11 you say, “This is what you should do, we all agree” with the prescribed movement off the line of attack and the push and grab the pistol and hand from the outside. Ok. Then at about 3:39 you say “the whole thing is based on fiction.” That’s not true according to what you’ve just said. So, in a similar way that Krav Maga exaggerates the chances of delivering a knockout punch with a blocked body, you are exaggerating how wrong Krav Maga is. I think your criticism is valid but you sensationalize your argument to make their position seem weaker. I think you would be more honest to explain your criticisms and position without the hyperbolic dismissal of something you previously agreed with. It makes you sound more credible and also avoids contradicting yourself.
@mikael3201 yes that is true because the video was about making people aware of the ineffectiveness of a commonly taught technique. it was not an instructional about what to do.
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When I learned Krav, I learned to take away the gun first using both hands then strike. Get offline while grabbing gun, use the barrel as a lever to pry it out of the guys hand(s), strike with the gun, back up, then tap, rack, and aim.
@@mikesiley4897
Thank you for your insightful comment.
There are many ways to disarm a handgun. But the only way to train is to train with an attacker who truly resists you. That is when the good is separated from the bad.
All the best with your training !
real information here! 🙏🤙
Thank you for your support 👍💪🙏
Agree the "old" technique of pushing the muzzle with one hand is a weak technique and should not be taught. The improved response is one hand on the gun and the other hand in the rear as a clamp while redirecting the muzzle and attacking. It would have been good to see more iterations of solutions.
Hi @Daniel-lee888
Thank you for your insightful comment. The improved response that you described means having both your hands down, with you in range and in a very vulnerable position to be countered. Also keep in mind that the attacker would have sustained no significant damage up to that point and will definitely have a reflex and fight back like hell. wether it is the "old" technique or "improved" technique, it still remains ineffective against resistance.
About showing a solution : You are correct, I could have spent more time explaining my solution. I did however not want to make an instructional. I just wanted to make people aware of the dangers of a very "popular" technique. I do briefly show a solution but I will post a full instructional today and link it to this video.
All the best and thank you for watching.
Why would a man that is knocked out hold on to the gun?
Seriously though, the reality of it is this, when you grab that gun your hand is over the slide and the bad guy is going to instinctively pull that trigger, which is going to jam that pistol. Your premise is simply ill thought, but thanks for trying
@jeffreyplumley9543 you are quite defensive about a technique that I clearly show the pitfall in.
Do you know of anyone who pulled this technique off when resisted ? I know of quite a lot of Krav practitioners who tried this at their trial session at my school and failed. Thank goodness for them it was not a real attack,
BTW, also what if the attacker does not pull the trigger ?
Also so what if he does and there is a jam, that does not incapacitate the attacker. He can simply slap, rack and shoot.
Then lastly, how sure are you that the attacker can't fight ? look at anyone attempting this disarm and you will see that the attacker can easy fight back, especially because you inevitably drop both hands with a bad body position and in range of a simple counter. Nice try though
@ your assumptions are frankly silly as you can never assume anything about how the gunman will react. You can gameplan all you want but the reality is that every technique or action has a counter to it that can stop said technique from working. We can train together and I’ll show you how your assumptions that your ideas are somehow foolproof or at least better are silly and you’re going to get people hurt with your nonsense.
@ I will get far less people hurt than with the nonsense you think works.
Send me an address where you train and I will try my best to make it there. I give seminars all over the world so I am bound to be relatively close somewhere in the next 12 months 👍
@@TruekravTraining ok sport. You do you and all that. Thanks for the laughs. If only you were in the Atlanta metro so your students could train at a better school
You didn't actually do that defense even remotely correctly. Multiple errors, including some really egregious ones. If you're going to do that particular one, muzzle should get redirected towards the attacker and essentially welded to their body. "True Krav" would know it needs to follow RCAT. You failed at the C, because your version doesn't actually control the weapon before you attack. While I also have issues with it, you lose all credibility if you're not even going to do the technique by the book.
I actually have a member who had to do a gun disarm when he was hijacked at a fuel station in Cape Town.
I would argue that neither you, nor any one of your students (if you instruct) have ever done “your correct version” in reality. Before you want to take on my credibility I suggest lets start with that first 😉👍
@TruekravTraining you'd actually be wrong on that. I've actually personally survived 3 active shooter situations, and been in quite a few more incidents, thanks to my work. But that's immaterial, because, no matter the subject, you can't critique something that you're not doing correctly. That's like saying "these people say that 1+1=5, and they're wrong", when they actually don't say that at all. Literally textbook fallacy (straw man). In order to debunk something, you have to get it right first. Also, "one of my members"? Really? Might as well say "I know a guy". That's also, textbook, by the way. (Appeal to personal). Just because you (or "a member of yours") has been in a situation, doesn't change the FACT that you didn't perform the technique correctly in your demo. The fact that you don't understand that merely further illustrates your lack of credibility. If you don't have the redirect correct, and keep weight on it, you don't have control, and the attacker can easily just yank back and you'll be in the line of fire again, because you violated the core Krav principle of RCAT. If you don't know what that is, you have no business critiquing it. That being said, because the success of the technique depends on a nuance like that, which is in my opinion closer to fine motor control, it's not the best simply because people like you will see it, copy it incorrectly, and get themselves killed. That's why I prefer the right side redirect technique, if I'm going to use one from Krav Maga. SMH, "one of my members".
@crimsonfalcon07 I might not do the technique perfectly but I probably do it better than 90% of everyone that does krav.
I actually showed a way better way of disarming the weapon at the end but you are completely silent on that.
I have no problem demonstrating that this technique is BS on any Krav Maga expert out there. And that includes you 👍
@@TruekravTraining maybe because 90% of people that "do Krav" are McDojo types that don't actually do Krav, just like you. And the majority of the people practicing are also beginners. So that's an utterly meaningless claim to make. I agree that the technique, as you do it, is BS. But it's also not Krav Maga at all, as it violates several core principles. The simple fact is that you're using Krav Maga for clout, but don't do the technique correctly, making whatever you have to say worthless. Take your machismo attitude to Wingate and try your nonsense with the instructors there. Post the results, if you dare. If you are going to critique something, you need to begin from a position of competence. Otherwise you're no different from other channels that are rank amateurs, post up, say, a punch that's technically flawed, and then claim to critique it. If you actually have something of value to offer, you need to get the technique right FIRST. Otherwise you're going to get this type of comment. And your inability to take ownership for your mistake really highlights that there's no need for anyone to think there's anything of value, because you continue to demonstrate that you know nothing of what Krav Maga actually teaches, and your channel seems to depend on that.
Now, if your thought was to critique the flawed copycat techniques coming from fraudulent places that claim to represent Krav Maga, indeed. But you aren't any different from those places, because you also don't understand the core principles. Leave the defense of Krav to the real inheritors, and if you want to claim you are doing it better than real Krav Maga, test yourself at Wingate. If you can't work up the courage for that, at least try it out with Darren Levine, John Whitman, or Mark Slane. Get it straight from the head instructors. Back your claim up and let's see the video. And frankly, Krav being what it is, if you actually have something better, they'll love it, and will adopt your technique, and likely credit you.
I think you should rethink your use of language. At about 3:11 you say, “This is what you should do, we all agree” with the prescribed movement off the line of attack and the push and grab the pistol and hand from the outside. Ok.
Then at about 3:39 you say “the whole thing is based on fiction.” That’s not true according to what you’ve just said.
So, in a similar way that Krav Maga exaggerates the chances of delivering a knockout punch with a blocked body, you are exaggerating how wrong Krav Maga is.
I think your criticism is valid but you sensationalize your argument to make their position seem weaker. I think you would be more honest to explain your criticisms and position without the hyperbolic dismissal of something you previously agreed with. It makes you sound more credible and also avoids contradicting yourself.
@pope2501 I was sarcastic at 3:11
Me saying that “we all agree” was sarcasm 👍
You use more than half the video explaining what not to do 🤦🏻
@mikael3201 yes that is true because the video was about making people aware of the ineffectiveness of a commonly taught technique. it was not an instructional about what to do.
@TruekravTraining ok, I guess I am not the target group for this one.