Beating attack in S.F. Marina District has neighbors fearing crime is out of control

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  • Опубликовано: 6 апр 2023
  • Marina residents are on edge after a brutal attack on the city's former fire commissioner. Betty Yu reports. (4-7-23)

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  • @milesmayhem5440
    @milesmayhem5440 Год назад +75

    For some reason the politicians do not want the citizenry to protect and defend themselves.

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад +1

      what makes you say that?

    • @middleguy1776
      @middleguy1776 Год назад +8

      ​@@bluechex7881the gun laws

    • @vjocson
      @vjocson Год назад

      Yeah and if a law abiding citizen gets caught with a pocket knife you can be sure that they’ll find themselves prosecuted for concealing a weapon. San Francisco is insane and it’s politicians are worthless. Just look at what’s happened to the city. It’s a direct reflection of what the politicians prioritize.

    • @bradlafferty6076
      @bradlafferty6076 Год назад

      @@bluechex7881 San Francisco emboldens criminals and drug heads with their Biden policies.

    • @1981Jerzey
      @1981Jerzey Год назад +4

      The gun laws are the shits but you can still buy a weapon. Go to the range and train up, it’s time

  • @overworked1084
    @overworked1084 Год назад +54

    Was that mental health or criminal activity? People who are crazy, insane and dangerous need to be locked up even if it’s in a mental institution where they can get help so they’re safe to be in public. Not guilty by reason of insanity doesn’t mean you get out of all consequences and get it back out into society to injure and kill people.

    • @albeit1
      @albeit1 Год назад +7

      It was not mental health. It was not mental health activity.
      These people have had plenty of help. What they need are consequences. So that they learn to leave people alone.
      And if they can’t learn, they need to stay locked up.

    • @darthmom1019
      @darthmom1019 Год назад +2

      ​@@imd1b4u - Democrats agreed with that. Sorry, but closing the mental health hospitals was a two-party deal.

    • @smoothoperator1083
      @smoothoperator1083 Год назад

      Does it matter? The reason the United States including California is like this is because the Democrats have been voted into office. Simple as that. If this was a Republican ran at administration we would not have this in our country.

    • @rdelamadrid
      @rdelamadrid Год назад

      There was a whole network of government-subsidized psychiatric hospitals all over the US. Under the Reagan presidency, they all were closed and the people in them were released. I remember watching the news as a child and seeing the reports. So, there you go. You want to cut public services to be able to give more money to rich people? Well, there are the consequences.

    • @Augusto88359
      @Augusto88359 Год назад +2

      Exactly. Most facilities don’t allow violent people anyway. Lock these tools up!!

  • @davidpulido2942
    @davidpulido2942 Год назад +66

    I've lived in the Bay Area for sixty plus year's. Crime has been out of control. Voter's really need to look at the City Council and District Attorneys. When District Attorneys take the side of the suspects,go figure.

    • @bradlafferty6076
      @bradlafferty6076 Год назад +12

      Keep voting Democrat and wear hard hats.

    • @studiosinger
      @studiosinger Год назад

      They rely on false crime stats to dispute changes.

    • @studiosinger
      @studiosinger Год назад

      George Soros places his people as DAs to not fight crime.

    • @aaronweiser5421
      @aaronweiser5421 Год назад +10

      They keep voting Liberal, Go figure.....

    • @robtangent4664
      @robtangent4664 Год назад

      @@bradlafferty6076 There are many who might vote Republicans if they're not so fricking pro-gun and pro-fetus.

  • @carlosmendoza8312
    @carlosmendoza8312 Год назад +19

    The 24 year old suspect has already been released without bail. Prosecutors did not file charges in time. SF is so screwed!

    • @nate51501
      @nate51501 Год назад +4

      Catch & release.

    • @blackway643
      @blackway643 Год назад +4

      He came out and pepper sprayed the homeless people and one of them fought back.

    • @A-Pa-s-Plainjane
      @A-Pa-s-Plainjane Год назад +1

      @@blackway643 long history of escalating events, but the unhoused are lawless, rootless, and ruthless. Homeowner made the mistake of thinking he could convince them to act like regular humans.

  • @RetroDigitalus
    @RetroDigitalus Год назад +19

    Living in San Francisco is like living in a real life horror movie!

  • @davinxi5926
    @davinxi5926 Год назад +38

    One day these criminals, gangs will come up to the wrong people or group of people one day. There will be a world of vigilantes if this crime keeps up.

    • @richardchampion4166
      @richardchampion4166 Год назад +4

      YUPS, .... you're rigth .. .. spaces are closing, ... and the good people we already feed up. We are getting tired of too much crap. Nobody comes in our help,

    • @jm3384
      @jm3384 Год назад +3

      The citizen/residents will end up in jail for not allowing the homeless to abuse them. Just the way SF works. Eerily similar to how Oakland became one of the unsafest places to live as the homeless have somehow become a gang.

    • @ksandhoff1
      @ksandhoff1 Год назад

      @@richardchampion4166 it feels like a 3rd world country where gang's are the law and police run away or just don't care!

    • @musicsnob4226
      @musicsnob4226 Год назад

      Watch the headlines🤺

    • @radicalmoderate2730
      @radicalmoderate2730 Год назад +1

      And the Democrat DA's will prosecute those "vigilantes" lol

  • @marcvslicinivscrassvs7536
    @marcvslicinivscrassvs7536 Год назад +25

    I see homeless dudes walking with sticks, bats, canes, and all sorts of blunt objects these days. Been that way for the past 5 years. You don't want be around when one of them loses it and decides to take a random person out.

  • @jerickr3090
    @jerickr3090 Год назад +16

    Time for self protection! Police don't exist in SF when you need them!

  • @tylerparrish4959
    @tylerparrish4959 Год назад +17

    Every citizens an business in SF should stop paying taxes immediately. Band together and hit the politicians on the only thing they care about. Their wallets.

    • @lifeisbeautiful7452
      @lifeisbeautiful7452 Год назад +1

      And how exactly would people with paychecks do that? Sounds easy but it’s not.

    • @callistoscali4344
      @callistoscali4344 Год назад +2

      The people want this. They voted for this. What makes you think they aren't liking it?

    • @ChatBloom
      @ChatBloom Год назад +1

      They voted for it!

  • @giftedgreen2152
    @giftedgreen2152 Год назад +10

    Are we still pretending the animals aren’t running the farm?

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад +2

      the tribe is running the city, the state, and the federal government

  • @victor77777771
    @victor77777771 Год назад +29

    You all voted for this. Now enjoy the consequences.

  • @FreeBayArea
    @FreeBayArea Год назад +12

    "Obviously extreme" that a guy who got his head bashed in with a crowbar in front of his house wants to move out. Sounds like the obvious next step after something happens like that

  • @philgee1749
    @philgee1749 Год назад +25

    Question... is it premeditated if you know it's dangerous outside... arm yourself and forced to kill an attacker? This is a question many will be forced to consider if crime is not stopped.

    • @overworked1084
      @overworked1084 Год назад

      People can’t think anymore they want to defund the police and let all the criminals out on zero bail- and they want tough gun laws so no one can own guns. There’s no logic to any of it unless you’re trying to destroy civilization.

    • @SLAMBANGO
      @SLAMBANGO Год назад +7

      Oh yes you can bet your life if you defend yourself against one of these thugs you will be brought up on more serious charges than they ever would be.

    • @1981Jerzey
      @1981Jerzey Год назад +2

      Even if you’re charged, you’re alive. Don’t play with your life. You only get one.

    • @Aireck174
      @Aireck174 Год назад +5

      @@1981Jerzey If you live in SF you are playing with your life no matter what you do but I guess going to jail for 7 years for defending yourself is preferable

  • @damon-nomad
    @damon-nomad Год назад +31

    I guess everyone need to carry concealed weapons to defend themselves

    • @SLAMBANGO
      @SLAMBANGO Год назад +5

      Do that and you go to prison for longer than the assailant

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад +3

      that is how you get police to show up. you know, the police that in short supply. Yeah, they are not in short supply when you defend yourself.

    • @darthmom1019
      @darthmom1019 Год назад

      Call BLM. Apparently, most of the San Francisco politicians agreed with them.

    • @ChatBloom
      @ChatBloom Год назад

      They voted for it!!!

  • @overworked1084
    @overworked1084 Год назад +18

    They’re just now fearing crime is out of control? Is that the headline is completely down playing the situation or the residents are idiots.

    • @mdmoz1777
      @mdmoz1777 Год назад +4

      It's also "extreme" to sell your home and move to another city.

    • @SLAMBANGO
      @SLAMBANGO Год назад +1

      ​@@mdmoz1777 What's even more extreme is to defend yourself. Don't you dare.

    • @davidwright873
      @davidwright873 Год назад

      absolutely stupid.....

    • @orangefield3171
      @orangefield3171 Год назад +3

      It’s because the crime and violence has now come to their neighborhoods.

    • @richardchampion4166
      @richardchampion4166 Год назад

      Extremely insane is when I'm shooting a bad guy threatening my life in a clear act of self-defense, and I'm going to jail.
      That's extremely ludacris and insane.

  • @CouchMan88
    @CouchMan88 Год назад +12

    You get what you vote for and the innocent will suffer. Maybe with enough pain the people will finally wake up.

  • @damnjustassignmeone
    @damnjustassignmeone Год назад +8

    This guy’s rap sheet is a mile long. Now he beat someone with an inch of his life. But they’ll let him out again so he can actual kill someone.

  • @williamglenn777
    @williamglenn777 Год назад +13

    Very sad to hear.

    • @davidwright873
      @davidwright873 Год назад +1

      why? You don't pet a dog you don't know..You don't go up to homeless folk unarmed and make demands that you don't know.....He learned...Prolly won't do that again.....Need to watch an episode or two of Yellowstone.....

    • @ChatBloom
      @ChatBloom Год назад

      Nah, they voted for it!!!

    • @williamglenn777
      @williamglenn777 Год назад

      @David: It’s sad for everyone, even the “dog”

  • @rdelamadrid
    @rdelamadrid Год назад +5

    PEPPER SPRAY FOLKS. I keep one in my hand with my thumb on the dispenser when I'm in certain areas. I have had to use it twice and both times it did what I needed for it to do.

  • @albertdesalvo7697
    @albertdesalvo7697 Год назад +2

    I saw this guy yesterday at the same spot he probably out of jail already,thank you Breed and DA

  • @Xilladan093
    @Xilladan093 Год назад +11

    You voted for this 😘

  • @Brannee248
    @Brannee248 Год назад +3

    Why citizens need to move out? If someone tries to threaten you, are you going to run? and run and continue to run away???

  • @theonlyonestanding8079
    @theonlyonestanding8079 Год назад +6

    We home owners need to protect ourselves from these crazy people.. Maybe we need to do something drastic but its illegal

  • @donlee.4308
    @donlee.4308 Год назад +20

    I really hope the mob families of SF get into action and fix the city, they’d been so quiet for long time.

    • @Madasin_Paine
      @Madasin_Paine Год назад +4

      Starting at City Hall?

    • @giftedgreen2152
      @giftedgreen2152 Год назад +6

      SF was so much better when it was full of skinheads.

    • @Augusto88359
      @Augusto88359 Год назад

      That’s a great solution actually because the police and the politicians are worthless

  • @hotspot930
    @hotspot930 Год назад +10

    You need to vote a politician with a metal claw to tighten these people. If citizens of SF keep voting weak leaders, SF will fall into garbage. SF people you need to protect your city.

    • @ksandhoff1
      @ksandhoff1 Год назад

      It will look like Detroit, once a great city, Now a sh*thole, with deserted buildings. It will happen to Portland and Seattle too. 500,000 have left California to be safe and escape Newscum Commie rules. (remember he was Mayor of SFO) it started with HIM and Nancy Pooulted. Sad that she can't even get away from it, Pauly was attacked in their home.

  • @katherinechung4345
    @katherinechung4345 Год назад +2

    Isn't there an island close by where the unhoused could be housed...? 🤔

  • @markpinera415
    @markpinera415 Год назад +2

    Crime is in FACT out of control. All neighborhoods. I saw a purse snatching at Laurel Village shopping center with a senior citizen. Literally disgusting. From HP to marina to lands end. Crime everywhere.

  • @pduran880
    @pduran880 Год назад +2

    Time for street justice

  • @josephlebard2061
    @josephlebard2061 Год назад +2

    An none of the housed people , had a gun , incredible!

  • @smoothoperator1083
    @smoothoperator1083 Год назад +4

    When you keep voting for garbage, you have to sleep with the garbage as well!💯

  • @jharrison3786
    @jharrison3786 Год назад +2

    Why is that guy smiling while he's speaking? Does he think this is funny?

  • @kuor1979
    @kuor1979 Год назад +1

    We the People in order to form a more Perfect Union are going to have to Protect Ourselves

  • @buttskinner8977
    @buttskinner8977 Год назад +3

    Atleast she used the proper term, unhoused😂, instead of homeless ? That really helps, using proper terms. Wake up guy, they do not give a shit about you, only the unhoused rights.

  • @markmcintosh7095
    @markmcintosh7095 Год назад +1

    You couldn't pay me to live in that place.

  • @Amanita23
    @Amanita23 Год назад +2

    Pipe?. That's a Clothing Rack.

  • @sabrinatilimian5630
    @sabrinatilimian5630 Год назад +7

    At this point, I truly believe the government is block busting for their rich real estate investor friends.

  • @arthurcardenas9504
    @arthurcardenas9504 Год назад +4

    Armed security

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад

      equality under the law is now equality for warlords.
      thanks democrats

  • @albeit1
    @albeit1 Год назад +17

    There’s something wrong when people who contribute nothing and are a constant drain on resources can get away with camping in front of someone’s front door.
    Maybe loitering laws should be established or actually enforced.
    Maybe taxes should be used for the stated purpose and people shouldn’t be allowed to exploit public property for unintended purposes.
    Maybe if there was zero tolerance for this garbage behavior, the parasites wouldn’t be emboldened to attack innocent people.

    • @jamesrecknor6752
      @jamesrecknor6752 Год назад +2

      True, but getting the evil voted for.

    • @Madasin_Paine
      @Madasin_Paine Год назад

      What make you think THEY NEVER contribute anything good?
      What equates homeless with evil?
      How do you absolutely always know for all of them all the time
      What good are some wealthy powerfully people the do a lot bad? They aren't blocked up usually if ever. Lock all workers up starting with billionaires?
      Bet that would take care of the homeless.
      What we see in homeless is our societal failure embodied and precious money location and reputation can't stop homeless. So lock em up right? Anywhere. Like the pound. Then euthanize
      Right?
      Just listen to the mist educated powerful SF brahmin crap themselves addressing The Homeless.
      They aren't leaders. They may be Ivy League phonies.
      Lock em up too.
      Lock up Congress, too?
      And SCOTUS.
      When they will follow their oath and Constitution and do their job we can let them back out.
      SF. Its has it all but it just cant solve homelessness.
      But it produces the richest politicians in the US.
      And they suck. HARD.

    • @MrsDhanyaPrem
      @MrsDhanyaPrem Год назад +1

      Trespassing and loitering is not a crime in CA anymore

    • @sfrealestatedealmaker6001
      @sfrealestatedealmaker6001 Год назад +1

      @@MrsDhanyaPrem Neither is stealing apparently 😂

    • @MrsDhanyaPrem
      @MrsDhanyaPrem Год назад

      @@sfrealestatedealmaker6001 unfortunately, yes.

  • @geraldod3166
    @geraldod3166 Год назад +1

    Is the crime mostly peaceful?

  • @bern3154
    @bern3154 Год назад

    What’s the difference between unhoused and homeless.

  • @armoredghost6180
    @armoredghost6180 Год назад +1

    It’s only bad when the elites suffer.

  • @bradlafferty6076
    @bradlafferty6076 Год назад +3

    Would Chesa Boudin have pleaded it down to a desk appearance ticket? Saying the police have dropped the ball again.

  • @Elizabeth-rh1hl
    @Elizabeth-rh1hl 6 месяцев назад

    If you can, get the hell out of the city.

  • @leignorantblm8548
    @leignorantblm8548 Год назад +13

    San Francisco’s homeless services basically pays people like this to come to San Francisco from all over the country

  • @Zuckerpuppekopf
    @Zuckerpuppekopf Год назад +2

    They voted their politicians in, they can vote them out. Mistake corrected.

  • @TheSmoothoperator3
    @TheSmoothoperator3 Год назад +1

    It’s not the shortage. They didn’t show up cause they don’t care.

  • @jasonredpill7473
    @jasonredpill7473 Год назад +6

    NO REFUNDS HAHAHAHAHAHAH

  • @marinagarza1803
    @marinagarza1803 Год назад +2

    You know it’s bad in SF when the tenderloin moves to the marina district 😮 time for cops to get back on the beat. But SF is weak on crime and this is what you get.. citizens are going to have to hire some bodyguards to do some rough justice in the neighborhood.

  • @josephlandry8787
    @josephlandry8787 Год назад +2

    I’m just glad that Sacramento solved the homeless problem and moved on to banning skittles

    • @riyadazad7220
      @riyadazad7220 Год назад

      Sacramento still has a big homeless problem I see it every including downtown and freeways

  • @christymaxwelt934
    @christymaxwelt934 Год назад +1

    What is Happening to…….AMERICA!!!!!!

  • @jamesmercer3693
    @jamesmercer3693 Год назад +1

    .No consequences Policies for crimes usually results in chaos So take back your City. Vote out the nonsense.

  • @mikemeza1975
    @mikemeza1975 Год назад +1

    Imagine gangster drive by shootings like i used to see in old movies...but directed at violent homeless people. Will it have to come to that so people can live safe in what was formerly one of the most beautiful cities in the USA? I hope not.

  • @usandmexico
    @usandmexico Год назад +1

    It's actually easy to deal with, but people would complain and/or want citizens that defend their neighborhoods arrested. Not to mention journalists making villains of them. Let's not even mention cops roughing up some homeless people.

  • @chuckm5526
    @chuckm5526 Год назад +1

    Should have been “fighting back” years ago..

  • @revemuprev241
    @revemuprev241 Год назад +4

    Many of these homeless needs to be sent back to their original states and city's, but no one has the nerve to do that!

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад +1

      that's fascism

    • @revemuprev241
      @revemuprev241 Год назад +2

      @@bluechex7881 I've been Assaulted by homeless people in San Francisco and had my car broken into stolen and vandalized, I've even had Conversations with some of these homeless, alot don't know how to change or worse they don't want to change. And many are from other states and cities.

    • @bluechex7881
      @bluechex7881 Год назад

      @@revemuprev241 I am sorry you have to go throught that. But my point stands
      The homeless are a weapon. Should you battle the weapon or battle the city "leaders" who enable the homeless? That's how I see it anywho.

  • @Norm-ih2rq
    @Norm-ih2rq Год назад +1

    what if it had been the mayor

  • @leehafner3730
    @leehafner3730 Год назад +6

    "Unhoused person...?"...God help us

  • @mayencent
    @mayencent Год назад +1

    Drugs are ok right???

  • @bellagirlgirl8827
    @bellagirlgirl8827 Год назад +3

    30 years ago in S.F. you might encounter a non-violent street person on a rant, but violence was rare. Things have changed, to say the least. Why aren't there measures in place to take these violent people out of circulation?? Seems like normal pedestrians must play Russian roulette whenever they leave their house -- crazy!

  • @sikhiseeker8887
    @sikhiseeker8887 Год назад

    Carry something to protect your self

  • @RacerX1971
    @RacerX1971 Год назад

    Where's the mayor's tough talk..

  • @collinhuey2090
    @collinhuey2090 8 месяцев назад

    Hire private patrols

  • @brucewestoby
    @brucewestoby Год назад

    Gotta start carrying .... eliminate the threats....!

  • @soulshine8531
    @soulshine8531 Год назад

    Awful but i watch the video and the fire commissioner just stays there and takes it over and over like he’s trying to talk him out of beating him. Why didn’t he run? I’m missing something.

  • @mpowers559
    @mpowers559 Год назад +1

    Nobody stop to help

  • @user-bz8pq5fw7q
    @user-bz8pq5fw7q Год назад +1

    Mental health ha snotbing to do with a housing and economic crisis

  • @CanadaRealEstate
    @CanadaRealEstate Год назад

    STOP GIVING OUT NARCAN!!!

  • @Stuffnsuch736
    @Stuffnsuch736 11 месяцев назад

    Why are there zombies out of the tenderloin region

  • @normal7761
    @normal7761 Год назад +2

    Fund the police?

  • @richardmann3396
    @richardmann3396 Год назад +2

    Is this not a perfect example of the wokeness of San Francisco ?

  • @user-mn5rn9sv5p
    @user-mn5rn9sv5p 8 месяцев назад

    We sure could use Karl Malden and Michael Douglas right now!

  • @MilahanPhilosophersCorner
    @MilahanPhilosophersCorner Год назад +1

    Refund police.

  • @propblast82nd
    @propblast82nd Год назад +8

    Democrat utopia

  • @gaseousclay6126
    @gaseousclay6126 Год назад

    Just move out. Not worth it. Too unsafe.

  • @bern3154
    @bern3154 Год назад +2

    We need Batman. 🦇

  • @kindredmalise6633
    @kindredmalise6633 Год назад +4

    Support Law Enforcement Officers as a United Nation.
    This is what happens when voters / citizens support homeless people and vote for it. It is now the SF culture. If you are rich enough to complain and get these kinds of results. Then you can afford your own security to clean your own mess up.

  • @abdouramanediallo5068
    @abdouramanediallo5068 Год назад

    Cops seing shit and looking away, well that's California!

  • @VincentWilliams007
    @VincentWilliams007 Год назад +1

    Start packing yo!

  • @davinxi5926
    @davinxi5926 Год назад +4

    This was attempted murder and should be charged as such for the critical injuries

  • @williamryan9195
    @williamryan9195 Год назад +5

    It was a brutal beating but according to an eyewitness the Fire Commissioner sprayed the suspect with bear spray first after verbally confronting him. The fire commissioner made the mistake of misjudging the response of the person he chose to use bear spray on and got a beating for his trouble. It doesn't take a genius to understand that letting people live like animals on the street changes that person. Don't expect normal responses or actions when you make the decision to make that first move. No civilized society allows people to suffer on the streets as punishment for their mis-steps in life or illness. For the sake of public safety steps must be made to get people off the streets.

  • @VIP-rp3oq
    @VIP-rp3oq 11 месяцев назад

    Just leave !😢

  • @Xilladan093
    @Xilladan093 Год назад +5

    Democrats paradise

  • @kerrylondon8631
    @kerrylondon8631 Год назад +2

    Urban Alchemy milita members

  • @ellie8602
    @ellie8602 Год назад +2

    Sadly this is due to elected officials and the results of voter’s choices.

  • @b.b.s7545
    @b.b.s7545 Год назад +1

    S.f is lawless

  • @BASED-SENSEI
    @BASED-SENSEI Год назад

    Ladies and gents ....we need the batman!

  • @kuor1979
    @kuor1979 Год назад

    Gavin doing good job

  • @dfirth224
    @dfirth224 Год назад

    Does this happen in Red states where people are armed?

    • @riyadazad7220
      @riyadazad7220 Год назад

      Yes 9/10 most dangerous states are Red

  • @lovewillwinnn
    @lovewillwinnn Год назад +1

    Did he cut off the rest of your dress Betty? 😂

  • @westoaklanddlee189
    @westoaklanddlee189 Год назад +1

    No more simply blaming on mental health!!! I will go crazy too!!!

  • @BASED-SENSEI
    @BASED-SENSEI Год назад

    U could've saved him a beating Spencer!!!

  • @jessiejoseph1093
    @jessiejoseph1093 Год назад

    Terrible

  • @Sweetersweet2006
    @Sweetersweet2006 Год назад +1

    Attempted murder

  • @GeorgeParsons-tn4og
    @GeorgeParsons-tn4og Год назад

    Wack a Roni the San Francisco treat. Ding! Ding!

  • @claudiasimpson9606
    @claudiasimpson9606 Год назад +6

    Y'all get what you Progressive's voted for. That's why I moved out of SF .

  • @kerrylondon8631
    @kerrylondon8631 Год назад

    Hospitality House. 🔧 🇺🇸 💰 🐍 ✔

  • @mgilmore5931
    @mgilmore5931 Год назад

    plug him

  • @timberrr1126
    @timberrr1126 Год назад +1

    Open borders leads to this

  • @user-bz8pq5fw7q
    @user-bz8pq5fw7q Год назад +2

    Billionaires living aside homeless and starving people . Guess what? You hoard wealth and you will suffer.

  • @melodiefrances3898
    @melodiefrances3898 Год назад

    A ton of very uninformed comments on here. Sigh ...