Beating attack in S.F. Marina District prompts debate over homeless rights
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2023
- How do you balance the rights of the unhoused with those of residents and business owners? That's a question the city of San Francisco is grappling with in the wake of a Marina District attack. Juliette Goodrich reports. (4-27-23)
You know there is something wrong with a city when it’s illegal for your dog to poo on the sidewalks but perfectly fine for you to do it.
Yeah completely agree used to be a beautiful city now it’s a hellhole with double standards for those that wanna act with no decency or respect
you know someone is less than shit on a sidewalk when they equate a person with an animal
Double standards and high prevalence of crime, drug use and mental illness are the reality when I step outside my door 24/7
@@mattbartley6501 what about the majority you don't see who are normal poor?
That wasn’t him, it was someone else, I guarantee it
Bro look at the videos he's wearing the same clothes/ got on the same shoes.😂😂😂
This is two different cases and need to be processed as such. if the commissioner is in fact the person pepper spraying homeless people , then he needs to be prosecuted as such.
if in fact lololol it is him! the homeless person has excellent case for self defense against a serial predator
It's him. That's why he was a no-show. There is only one case here, the one where Carmignani is the defendant.
So you would be OK with me living in front of your house , shooting ip drugs, pooping on the sidewalk in front of your door leaving trash all over the place and when you call the police on me they laugh at you and tell you I have rights. ? Unreal.
@@michaelhilber8284 I think you're right. The judge is going to ask him if he sprayed those people and will probably show video or other eyewitness reports of him going back to his house after he did it. I'm sure they got that fat fuk cold. If this happens, then the homeless guy who beat him with a pipe was justified in his action. The fat guy will spend some time in jail and probably lose his house.
@@max420thc honey the outside of your house in public property, dont like it to move to the suburbs where you can own the sidewalk in front of your house.
Violent criminals don't deserve human rights.
Violent criminals like Carmignani that pepper-spay homeless people that are sleeping and minding their own business?
At some point in our history African Americans were breaking the law if they seeked freedom. Are you saying they don't deserve??
@@arsononemwv they don't deserve sheet.
This is dumb. All humans get human rights, that's how that works....
Obviously not . Have you seen Chicago? No they don’t deserve rights and can’t handle freedom. Sorry to tell you the truth
Can someone tell the lady to keep the pepper spray in her pocket, preferably clipped to it? Keeping it in the bag is not a good place. When she needs it, it may be too difficult to access under stress!
Someone tell her that little can of spray is useless. Needs a big fogger can of spray like the fireman used on the homeless guy.
I am a 6'4" very able-bodied male in San Francisco, and I carry the same pepper spray every day in this city that the lady in the video carries. If any criminal, drug addict, homeless, or mentally-ill person threatens me physically or comes at me to harm me, I am using that pepper spray on them period! But I am not just going to spray them down because they are homeless or simply sleeping on the sidewalk, that's just simply wrong!
I'm a foot shorter than you, holmes and I bet I could scare you if I flinched a certain way. You realize that if you use pepper spray, wind is a factor and may spray YOU instead of the assailant. Let's not even talk about whether you can deploy it quickly enough for an attack or even spray the face where this shit does the most good. BTW...some people don't react to capsicum. They just keep attacking. There's a good chance one of those guys will be the guy you attempt to spray and he will impale you with it. Do us a favour. Stay home and watch TV for joy. The cops don't want to deal with a milquetoast like you.
Yeah that was dead wrong. He deserved an ass-kicking for doing that.
@@PBFoote-mo2zr when you’re attacked by someone and you fight back it’s usually called self defense.
A gun is better.
Must be sad having your only means to protect your life, a $5 can of corner store mace.
All I need to know is at what point can I legally hit someone with objects.
When you’re homeless, they have a history of peppers spraying you and other homeless people and they start walking towards you about to do it again. Clown.
non felonious, non felony self defense with no criminal intent or criminal intention to murder, kill, or manslaughter. intent is the key to self defense, it can never be premeditated. research felony penal codes.
Not in San Francisco. I'm scared even having to use deadly force claiming self defense when an intruder or an illegal breaking and entering into my home. Too many rights are given to the criminals, the insane, and the homeless while the books get thrown at the law abiding citizens. Really hard to prove "Castle doctrine" in San Francisco. SF residents will never ever feel safe again unless all the current politicians get voted out.
If your crapping on the side walk in front of my house expect to get pepper sprayed or worse 🤡
Well...the kid with the pipe said the phat phuq messed with him before and was looking for payback. He sure got it in spades. That bastard will be fucked the rest of his life. He'll probably be eating Gerber from now on. Not that it's a bad thing. Look at him, he's as big as a fucking house.
He can do interviews but not show up to court? Yeah, that speaks volumes into his guilt. He doesn’t want to be held reliable for his actions but continues to claim he’s an innocent victim. What a terrible person. I hope the former fire commissioner gets charged for the violence he caused.
Time for us tax payers to make our neighborhoods safe and force the homeless out because the government won’t. We pay too much rent to be harassed by filth. This man deserves a medal.
If Fentanyl doesn't get 'em, Xylazine will.
What can we do to get more of it on the street?
I'm with you about the problem. But assaulting random homeless people is not a solution.
@@nomad4k No, it's not. Let's just give 'em lots and lots of Fentanyl and Xylazine and let them do it themselves.
@@daryllect6659 I understand your frustration with the bums. Trust me I know it. Just saying, this dude with the bear spray did not do himself or the people he attacked any favors. If anything it makes things worse, a lawsuit, assault charges, injuries, probably end in a fatality. I'm only saying that the approach he took, personally assaulting sleeping homeless people isn't right.
nobody should be assaulted by bear spray or any other weapon just because they are homeless.
Okay, im completely against homeless people being given the tacit permission to camp out in public but using bear spray against them is a personal attack and assault. Not a good approach. Uf he decided to go that route he needs to accept the ass whoopin he got
The incidents were hours apart. There is no self defense claim
Two separate incidents and even the DA doesn't know for sure if he was the one with the mace. He was attacked up and down the street with a metal pipe and can barely talk.
Also not confirmed to be him. Just saying.
Where are they supposed to go? You just want them to be out of sight out of mind
If some ass randomly sprayed me with bear spray and I came across him later, he wouldn’t be suing me.
Both of them need to go to jail
This guy completely misrepresented himself as a mere victim. Spraying a sleeping homeless person in the face with pepper spray IS NOT the same as self-defense. He shouldn't have been beaten as bad as he was but he sure asked for it! No sympathy from me.
@@PBFoote-mo2zr A kick in the nuts to double him over then leave him to think about what he did.
@ICE How about one swing from death as put by the doctor who treated him.
@ICE that's not what happen . 2021 dude . You don't know that was him in that video. He was never charged with a doing that. The person randomly pepper spraying people is a unknown criminal
Pepper spray the homeless is f Ed up. I can see why people are fed up with the homeless situation. But that’s no way to resolve it.
He could give an extensive interview but couldn't show up to court.
When you take from society and do not pay tax, you have no rights.
That’s not true, that’s you advocating violence against everyone born poor
Trump?
Way to go Hitler.
The proclamation of a simple fascist.
John hud, NEVER!!
You voted for it. Want different results? Vote differently.
You make no sense. The homeless and crime thing were around long before this administration. It's a generational thing. GOP would make it much worse.
How is voting going to stop other countries from bussing homeless people in?
amazing how Carmignani had so much time to get in front of news cameras but couldn't show up to his trial
also he calls them "animals"? dude was really trying to earn that pipe to the head
BTW, he was still in pain! i was homeless many are on drugs...crazy...violent
Yeah I believe it was him. Cops love abusing, beating up and sometimes killing homeless people in California.
He's not wrong though.
Stay classy, humanity.
Clean SF!
Not wearing plastic glove making sandwich is unsanitary!!!
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No gloves when handling food?
He deserves his ass whopping but since when is relation self defense? Have a little consistency here, just because its a person with nothing to lose doesn't mean they are exempt from the law.
Homeless rights? Homeless aggression more like
Why isn't the video enough to prove the case?
Prove the case against who? Carmagnani is on multiple videos attacking sleeping vagrants with chemicals. They have file upon files of video and witness testimony of unsolved violent acts against vagrants. He did not show it court to file charges because he is afraid of evidence against him. The defense attorney is smart. She went to the files at the police station and picked out Carmagnani attacking others with pepper spray.
Liberal policies
@@robp696 Not really Rob. There are not many so called "Liberals" in power in the City. It is run by Global Investment powers and they are anything but Liberal. The stuff about lefties and liberals running the City is right wind radio talk show theater.If Liberals and Lefties or even a few decent leaders were in control there would be public housing built and get these people off the streets and it would be the safest thing for ALL parties concerned.
@@robp696 Just so you don't get your signals crossed on the housing situation. Building Public housing and getting people into safe and dignified living situations and not trying to correct behavior issues on the sidewalk as a pre-requisite is the safest and most cost effective way to end homelessness.Some of us remember when the City didn't have this problem so we know it was never a issue created by so called leftist policy or government.
@@williamryan9195 That is not true at all, and I doubt you real proof of that or don't have to live in an area that you see the drug use daily. The best way to stop drug use is to force some one out of their current situation. Giving them a place to do drugs with no consequences is simply enabling. I know from my own family experience and being around these homeless people all my life. The state policies are directly what makes it easy to be homeless and/or on drugs.
He calls the poor “animals” while advocating random vigilantism when emergency services refuse his repeated calls
That is the same line numerous people caught abusing and murdering vagrants have used. They are "animals" or criminals/drug addicts etc and the City wasn't doing anything about the situation fast enough.
Zombies, you mean. Lol
I hate that. Animals are treated far better and more rationally. Retired pets, zoo animals, etc are given refuges to live out their lives. We need refuges where homeless can go and live out their bum lives - their native food is junk/fast food so McDonald's and Burger King and so on will be onboard. And their chosen way of life isn't swimming all day like hippos, or swinging from things like some monkeys, nope it's sitting around taking drugs. So these refuges should have free drugs. It will be far cheaper overall and the homeless can live their kind of life and we workers can get back to living our working way of life.
& the fire commissioner is right. I lived in & around SF since 2000. I was almost stabbed by a crazy homeless woman near the Tenderloin, was accosted by an aggressive naked homeless man while in the park with my mother & infant son. Had my car window smashed 3 times, & my car knifed by a violent drug addicted prostitute that I later found out was arrested & released over 20 times. The cops told me she attacked 2 people with a knife 12hrs earlier, was held for 4 hours & let go, so no point in arresting her twice in 1 day.
There's any army of drug addicted, explosively violent homeless in SF that have been coddled & showered with compassion & free everything. They act entitled & feel like it's their right to do whatever they want, take whatever they want, hurt whoever they like, without consequence. People are beyond sick of it.
What's to stop this homeless bum from going back to his house and finishing the job. Reckless move on their part. Should have keeped him locked up Until he could heal from the Injuries he sustained from the attack. He can't defend himself in his current state. The city should have given him the time he needed. If something happens to him, i'm going to blame the city and the people responsible for letting that guy out too soon.
He also cannot bear spray homeless in his current state
The guy who sprayed that homeless person. His clearly hiding his true identity look? He Looks like any American people? I see everyday in the American cities. Have a great fabulous wonderful day.
SF must provide more safety to the residents. SF policing must be known to criminals that there are penalties & they will be severely enforced. The reported crimes are out of control & 911 responds slowly.
Thanks, Breed and Newsome, for this crisis. Continue with your failed policies
How's Prop 47 working for you? 😉
If you drop trash on the street, it's trash and it's going get picked up and thrown away so do the same for the tents and belongings. As soon as you get rid of their belongings, they will need to leave and as soon as you stop giving free everything from housing to needles, they will move on and get out of the city.
They are sleeping on the streets so your stupid claim they are getting free stuff including housing doesn't hold true. San Francisco is not a gated senior community and you and your kind are going to have to realize it.
This is just straight judgemental. Not helpful. Go read some actual books about the issue!!!!
But....THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. They just move one block down until the next sweep, then THEY GO BACK. Don't you watch the news, you cretin? Probably another guy who is scared of his own shadow.
@@DrDonnyTheBookofYou That guy is a typical KPIX viewer, bro. Sux up all the fake news juice out of KPRIX.
@@DrDonnyTheBookofYou They have destroyed the quality of life for the entire city. They should be judged. They need to be stopped, defeated, vanquished, whatever you want to call it. They need to be gone. Not judging people, which is an idiotic notion, is how we end up here. Always with the things that sound like they are nice and kind and gentle and always have the absolute worst outcomes.
Don’t attack the homeless it’s not your job it’s public property.
How bad does it have to get....
So, it now appears that anyone can hunt down another for something that happend earlier, and even when the other is running away.
Right? Crazy SF...
obviously Carmignani is the serial bear spray attacker and absolutely needs to be prosecuted by the district attorney , any kind of serial violence is a jail felony not a plea bargain community service misdemeanor because the victims were drug addicted homeless
Good report, Juliette Goodrich
If you think he was assaulting homeless people then charge it. But running around beating people in the head with a golf club is an ABSOLUTE NO.
I hope DA or love ones gets good experience with homeless, then they better say, " I still love you guys".
Where is the National Guard?
Only use City Guard members so you’ll get 3 Generals and 1 major
pepper spray vs beating by a pipe, sheesh, SF still gonna get this one wrong
Homeless people have the right to squat on public property. It's actually not illegal any more for them to squat on *private* property. If they attack you, take your beating like a man (or woman) and if they catch the attacker, rest assured he'll be compassionately dealt with, then released with no charges.
This is long past stupid. People who own property have fewer rights than their attackers, and are criminally prosecuted if they defend themselves. Yeah, spraying people with whatever spray is illegal. So, weirdly, is hitting someone over the head with a pipe. We all know which one's going to be prosecuted, and which one won't.
I live in the area. The homeless are not out of control attacking people. Don’t spray them with bear mace
1:53 That don’t give him the right to bully homeless people sleeping nowhere close to his house. If you want to play vigilante then use the bear spray against Asian hate criminals at Chinatown or do a citizen arrest on shoplifters. Why should we care about what the ex firefighter has to say when he doesn’t have video evidence of homeless people committing a crime?
What a mess out there in SF.
Unfortunately the mess from SF is spilling over into neighboring counties.
The homeless wars begin
I mean if you spray bear spray on me for being homeless, you catching objects. I get it’s a nuisance, but bear spray??? Come on now, that’s assault.
Pepper spray can't be used if it's innur back pack
Cant feel sorry for people who voted for people in charge of this.
Homelessness now makes u above the law? Insane.
I live in the area. The homeless are not out of control attacking people. Don’t spray them with bear mace lesson one
Former fire commissioner who was fired for beating his wife.
SF should be ashamed of themselves
There need to be places on the planet, in every country, where it's not illegal to occupy a body-sized plot for laying down & somewhere legal to empty bowels, bladder, and change sanitary products without breaking indecent exposure laws, and access to water for drinking and washing. Minimum!
There is, but look at the interviews of the homeless. They want a free 1 bedroom apartment. They won't live in shelters, because it's not good enough for them. They say they would rather live on the street, because they can do drugs, which they can't do in the shelters. At some point, enforce the laws which make it illegal to loiter or sleep on the sidewalks. If they don't want help, use the law. Compassion should be the first option, but lettign them stay on the streets is NOT compassionate, or fair to the tax paying public.
Yeah its called a house.
I nominate your home for such a place, Rosemarie. I'll let the homeless know they're welcome to use your place. Thanks for volunteering.
There is. Its called "in your house".
Slab City look it up
homeless to unhoused why?
There's a victim recorded on video.
SF police and the District Attorney still working from home
A homeless guy getting bear sprayed, the fire chief getting beat, everyone playing victim when nobody actually is 😂😂😂 it’s all too hilarious to render any coherent justice or judgement
No it's no that hard actually.
This never happens if the city leaders were doing their job, recall “ ghetto girl “
Enforce existing laws, incarcerate criminals, Institutionalize mentally ill
I live in this neighborhood this neighborhood have dark secrets all the real drug dealers and the thief and the human tools live in this neighborhood
Well with all the rapid increases in the cost of living there most certainly will be more homeless.
Oh good another debate prompted over the homeless. Who is having this debate and what will the outcome be?
Humans are not animals. Very telling...
They are not animals they are humans like me and you respect otherwise they can protect themselves.
The Fire Chief GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!!
San Fransicko
Why did they edit what said 3:18
That deli owner is lying about the police coming after he calls.
Gloves please!
Migration out of SF will lead to better policies.. perhaps... once the revenues decrease.. city might begin to in large scale find housing by actually building sites for homeless.. but it's going to have to get way worse before it happens.
Housing isn't the problem it's drug addiction and mental health. Otherwise we'd have less homeless after the pandemic as they all got free hotels and had plenty of time to get their affairs in order to improve themselves. As we all that happened was millions in damages to the hotel's that took these folks in. Costing the city more tax dollars they don't have.
@@middleguy1776 housing is absolutely the problem, it's literally in the name "homeless"
one bedroom apartments go for $2500/mo. homeless people can't afford that
i know homeless people who work in local convenience stores and markets, stock shelves all day, then head into the park to sleep at night
@@JasonBoyce then why isn't there mass homelessness now especially after all the eviction moratoriums ended? That's an easy excuse to ignore the drug addiction and mental health issues that are actually the root of this issue. If housing was too costly nobody could afford it and prices would drop. It's basic economics.
@@PBFoote-mo2zr I agree completely and those who refuse need to be jailed or institutionalized.
now it makes sense why my sandwiches are more "flavorful". My guy is bare-handing my meats!.
What a Circus 🤡🤡
San Francisco! Wake Up! send your homeless to Texas...Arizona...Florida!
I wouldn’t walk the streets of SF without a gun.
Interestingly enough CCW's are now being approved in SF more so than in the past.
The more help people help the homeless lures more homeless to the area! If I see homeless I would call 311 to help the homeless. It is not my job to help them. It is my job to get help for them. What happens to all the money that goes to the non profit organization to assist homeless. Has the money being trash elsewhere?
It should be not left for. Citizens to deal w the housing crisis and the high crime rate. We are left to fight back. I do t think we should use pepper spray. But I don’t think anyone should get battered to almost death. The police never come for my parents either in a different neighborhood in sf
Sound like it was revenge for spraying homeless with bear mace.
Send the homeless dude to Alcratraz for 99 years end of story
Beat beat
Beat beat
Beat beat
So now we see that the pig was out attacking people and deserved the beating!! The business owner guy is the only good guy here!!
How did he get bear spray????? I mean it’s illegal in California. No one sells it- not the hunting stores, box stores, even online they won’t ship it to California. So how did he get one ?
Your right to defend yourself is not legal in California.
its obv him in the video of him spraying the homeless man, he got his karma!
We really need a new mayor.
Yeah, a Republican that dont put up with this.
This is BS! You can’t claim self defense when you chase the person around for blocks! As soon as your “attacker” retreats or you have the ability to get away and you don’t, it’s no longer self defense! That’s literally the law!! But sf doesn’t care about the law or it’s citizens. So the homeless guy is given the benefit of the doubt with this self defense BS, but the contributing member of society isn’t even afforded the right of “innocent until proven guilty.” Sf keeps telling ppl who they value and who they don’t. Sure they want working and contributing members of society here, but only to pay taxes. The homeless and the criminals are who they value and care for. As ridiculous as that sounds, how could you draw any other conclusion from their actions!
what a great idea... where do i this rodent spray
yes execellent idea for you to rot in prison
You who voted for Newsome.....look in the mirror and tell that person, Its your fault!!!!!
He is the Batman we all need.
You molest homeless people too, bro?
Keep in mind, Batman, Superman, etc were all vigilantes. Think about that.
Why are the “homeless” seen as anything other than citizens?
If it’s a crime, jail them. If not, leave them be like every other rando on the street.
Citizens pay taxes
$800 million ANNUALLY on social programs spent by the city. Again… $800 million year over year over year. Let that sink in. And we’re just suppose to keep working ourselves to the bone in this city paying taxes so these meth addicts can get mo they cash and drugs provided by this city? Would you be willing to pay my share then?
Better yet, give them homes, then they wouldn't be homeless. There's 100,000 empty dwellings these people could live in and the city is ready to fuking buy them for this purpose. BTW...I just found out the empty buildings downtown that used to have employees CANNOT BE CONVERTED FOR HABITATION. The will have to spend a shit tonne of money to renovate it before it can be rezoned as apartments/condos. This bit of regulation was done on purpose because businesses thought they would be full of people forever.
Citizens contribute to the body politic. They bring something to the table. They add value. The homeless add crime, filth, disease, vermin, feces, dirty needles and decreased property values. Oh and violence and rampant drug abuse. Besides all of that they're great and just like you and me.
@NicoleB you are not as conservative as you think
We went from spraying bums with water to bearspray. Bullets are next. This is getting out of hand. Blood will be drawn eventually.
I have to escape the Bay Area on my days off. This is not a place I hang out anymore.
Democrats do a great job running San Francisco
how interesting, despite the medication he's taking he was able to perform and put on a pity me show for the cameras and his cheerleaders
However couldn't show up for court ??
something doesn't add up
as bad and out of hand the whole homeless, drug addicts, and mentally ill, & rampant crime situation has gotten in this city
if he in fact is the person who went bear spraying disenfranchised folks
that is a personal attack and he should be charged for it
on the other hand he decided to take to the streets and handle matters on his own
and the street got back at him
the lesson here is don't mess with anyone on the streets because the people on the streets don't have nothing to lose
This is what Happens when you keep Voting to the same Politicians
in California who's been running the State for Decades.
You Voted for it, You Got it! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ice pick? NO! Always say to yourself, what would George Harrison do? Who caused this? Steve Manuchin? Have him deal with it.
There's a difference between being homeless and the criminals like the dude shown in this video.
Homeless have more rights then working people. Homeless can put up a tent and block the sidewalk. cars block sidewalk and you get a ticket. Mean while all the mom and pop restaurant and hotels got hit with ADA law suits.
Just remember, you Voted for all that progressive Liberal crap! Suck it up, and stop complaining about the very things you advocate for!
Embrace the suck, as you've worked hard attaining it (for all of us)! 🇺🇲
Truth comes out
SF is a fallen city
1) How can u balance the rights between homeless people and business owners? Simple... businesses are "property" homeless people are human beings...last I checked, using lethal force or weapons producing GBI in the defense of property was a very clear violation of the law -- a serious felony. Doing so to defend life -- either your own or that of another person -- is a much different matter.
2) I'm homeless for going on 10 yrs now...I've noticed encounters on both side have excalated on avg -- often to include violence. Ive seen instances where both homeless and housed citizens are guilty of that. But what is more alarming to me, is how often the story and facts are skewed or downright ignored --- and I'm sure u can guess how and whom that bias favors. If not, maybe this will help -- Im constantly in fear of residents around here, both for what they've done (and gotten away with) and for what they're capable of. I stopped calling the cops years ago -- they're no friend to the unhoused where I'm from -- I instead rely on my own ability to defend myself....for that, I carry a .38 snub nose...that's where we are at folks...let's hope assholes with bear mace take notice
Don't worry San Francisco residents and others: California Highway Patrol will be saving all of us soon. Believe me, CHP is very well trained in,"Traffic Enforcement."
My solution : put both men in prison ….as cellmates .
whatever they work out while in there , will probably be the correct due process.
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