WHEN KONAMI TRIES TO FIX THE META THEMSELVES
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this series kinds deserves its own playlist at this point
It has one, just check his playlists
Shwitter
The Twitter Shitter Playlist
@@leafbladie please bring the Playlist because it doesn't exist
I've got one!! Titles "T H E S E" lol
The 2019 megatin promos are the first things that come to mind. Dark Ruler, Dimension Shifter, and Nibiru all changed the format a LOT. Nibiru stopped many combo decks (Danger Thunder, Lunalight Orcust etc) in their tracks (and obliterated Salamangreat). Dark Ruler was able to help players beat the combo decks that didn’t lose to Nibiru. Dimension Shifter didn’t see widespread play on release: Madolche played it, some builds of Thunder Dragon played it, and sometimes pendulum players would run it. Although it didn’t fit many decks, it absolutely slaughtered the whole metagame (as it still does today).
Worth mentioning Gren Maju played D Shifter too
Lunalight Orcust summoned Azatoth 5th summon.
Bascially felt like every card was for one deck. Dark ruler for Thunder, Nib for salad and shifter for orcust.
Dimension shifter hurts my invoked feelings
@@createrz8433 Card hurts everyone's feelings
i believe them reprinting shifter in a structure deck during tear is no coincidence
I'm surprised El Shaddoll Winda wasn't mentioned in the video. It was the perfect counter to the previous HAT format cards.
> Can't be destroyed by card effect. Rendered Bottomless, Moralltach, and Fire Hand useless.
> 2200 ATK. To rub salt into Moralltach's wound, she was 100 ATK more than it.
> 1 SS per turn clause. Even if you could special summon a monster, you were NOT easily XYZ summoning that turn to out Winda.
> Floated into Shaddoll Fusion if defeated. And if all else fails, she recycles the fusion spell and lets you answer the board again.
Winda is still really good to this day. It doesn't do well against the Adventure engine, but it's insane against Swordsoul
That's because Winda wasn't the card that was broken coming out of Duelist Alliance, it was El Shaddoll Construct and Shaddoll Fusion. This is kind of difficult to understand if you're new and only knew Shaddoll from its IDS days but Winda was not the card that made that deck crazy at the time.
This is also really really obviously apparent when one of the best Shaddoll variants played Moralltach.
There was also the flip side of this, where every single deck that came after was given a way to out Winda. Satellarknight Rigel specifically exists because it's a 2400 normal summon. Qlis had Carrier which could just bounce it. Baby Apelio can boost itself to 2300. Every single Nekroz monster worth summoning could run over it. The list goes on.
I remember seeing a more recent display of using instant fusion to cheat out winda and previously set up dingirisu to end phase protect winda from going kaboom -.0
That "100 more ATK" thing is pretty common among answer cards, because not being able to beat over the answer or trade with it is pretty important!
Rush duel player here, I'm gonna examplify this video to the extreme: our format has no rotation and no banlist to this day and it's been months and months that the meta is a spam of special summons of level 7, 2500 ATK normal monsters from the graveyard. So Konami used around 10 slots in the last core set to print cards with effects specifically targeted at level 7 normals. You got a boss floodgate that prevents special summons from the graveyard, a small guy that shuffle level 7s from the GY into the deck, a boss that kills up to 2 normal monsters on the field... And despite all these counter cards, it's still unclear if that will be enough to shift the meta.
There is western competitive rush duels community? Thats great to hear hopefully you get the game here soon
@@eldavid8774 I mean, we play on Edopro and we see the format evolve through the results of OCG tournaments. But yeah, still hoping that Rush Duels come to the TCG for real at some point. It's weird that it's currently getting a dub of SEVENS with no product to sell alongside it.
Oh it started even earlier than that: when Dark Revelation was used in practically every deck the response was with Maximum Monsters where the majority of them had a passive effect that prevented destruction by Traps, then a bit later we got all those Spells and Monster effects that can prevent Trap destruction too. When Monster Reborn started becoming used in nearly every deck they compromised by making cards that do Reborn's job but better in some situations: Parallel Birth Gate and Secret Orders, which also had the benefit of massively buffing Normal Monsters to be Top tier threats and stop the game being dominated by Victory Flag and Thunderbold Psychics-even turning Red-Eyes Burn from a psuedo gimmick into a legit threat.
not saying I didnt enjoy the other twitter videos but this one might be my favorite from the subject alone, ive always found the idea of targeted hate cards to be interesting and kinda funny because you can just _feel_ konami's annoyance with the metagame when you read their effects lol
I love these videos so much because I just love hearing MBT talk.
Yes correct. He honestly could have a podcast about whatever the fuck and id sub day1
same
Count me in
I think a fun idea for one of these would be "Cards released after their time" like stuff that could conceivably be really good in an older meta but they got released way too late and now are worthless. Obvious examples are d/d/d and Chronomoly who's messed up releases cut any meta relevance they could of had short. Other examples would be stuff like Jelly Cannon or Guardragon Cataclysm
*WAR ROCK*
“Expendable Dai” is a trap released in 2020 that lets you tribute a warrior, to destroy any card and then draw 1.
So it’s basically fish dept charge from 2011
People have tried to break Fish Dept Charge since released until it got powercrept around post Nekroz, when such simple removal cards were going out of fashion.
The consensus is that the only thing holding it back, was a lack of good fish.
A similar card “Gemini Spark” and “A hero returns” saw play and almost solely defined Heros with their self replacing draws until post Duelist Alliance format.
There is no doubt that Expendable Dai would have seen major competitive play in any warrior deck, if released before Nekroz format
Don't underestimate G.B. Hunter!
Back in probably 2010, I was running glads in a locals and was playing this guy. I take game 1 so we side and go to game 2. He starts. T sets, passes. My first move of the game is special cydra, he flips SOLEMN JUDGMENT. Pays half his life, I am mystified. I do the only thing next a glad deck can do: normal laq or besti or whatever, attack set monster. He reveals G.B. Hunter.
Making it a 2K defense is brilliantly designed. Like a magnet, the glads are going to attack this thing because what else are they going to do? And def position monsters are supposed to be safe for glads to always have an attack avenue so they will go after G.B. Hunter if you set it. No normal summonable glad natively gets over it and the engine is shut down. Keep in mind you can't summon Gyzarus because contact fusion returns materials to the deck. The glads just stand there and hang out with this thing lol. There may have been better side options against glads but the effort behind the card design is definitely there.
Did you run Indomitable Gladiator Beast or Gladiator Taming?
Still hilarious to find out one of my first ever yugioh cards only exists to counter glad beasts.
8:58 something you forgot to mention on Ignister is that you target *a* pendulum card to destroy in order to activate it. Not yours. So not only did it vaporize Kozmo ships and stop BA floating, but in the mirror it also just let you pop an opponent’s pendulum scale to shuffle back their other one. Very cool
I actually really like when Konami does this. It's sort of like a "Due to the recent tragedy that was (insert format here) Konami would like you all to know that they have taken steps to ensure that something like this never happens again. We thank you all for your patience and hope you enjoy the upcoming format"
Not to mention the cards are usually good in general and come into play in other formats so yeah relevant niche support is always welcome
Still a crime to make everyone experience that blue eyes format.
I think it's a really lame and lazy way to 'balance' the game.
@@AndyBrixton999 honestly I think it’s really smart. Printing cards that counter the stuff in the current format is a good way to slow down powercreep while still shifting the metagame. They don’t have to constantly have stronger and cards being printed, they just have to be able to beat the current decks.
That's called power creeping...
You are literally praising Dark Dragoon for being usable outside of dark magician and red eyes. That card was cancer for what felt like a LONG while.
Regarding Borreload Dragon... I don't think the fact that its attack reduction effect can't be responded to by the opponent is necessarily to counter Crystal Wing in particular. I think Borreload can't be responded to so that you can target *your own Rokket monsters with Link effects* and proc their effects to destroy themselves and cause x to occur on your opponent's turn so they can act as disruption. If your opponent cannot respond to Borreload's targeting effect, then only you can respond to Borreload's targeting effect. Remember that the "Borrel" monsters are the boss monsters of the "Rokket" archetype.
I mean, either way that extra condition on the attack reduction still worked against Crystal Wing perfectly. Most likely a happy coincidence, though.
To top off, they made it unrespondable by the opponent cuz Rokkets all can miss timing
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363they don’t miss timing but they can be chain blocked the same way paleos and titan can
Speaking of Dingirsu. Madolche Teacher Glassouffle was also released in the same set as that card. It was an xyz monster who’s effects were specifically designed to COUNTER Orcust on release! 1st effect made Dingirsu removal completely useless while the 2nd effect also countered Orcust’s entire gimmick. Unfortunately Sky striker Orcust was a thing and the deck was too fast for Madolche to keep up!
Wasn't peting also released later too?
@@john1691 First Peting, then Teacher, then Salon & Promenade in the same set.
Ohhh, Teacher.I was thinking of Sistart and got very confused lol
RIP missing:
King Tiger Wanghu targetting all the recruiters
Crimson Blader/Ophion targetting the synchro and high lv monster strategy that was abundant on their releases
Consecrated Light in response to the Black Wings and Dark focused decks
Technically, Crimson Blader was around for a very long time in the OCG before the TCG got it. It was really designed against other Synchro decks.
Even GIGANTIC SPLIGHT if you really think about it, technically is like targeted hate towards Nibiru the Primal Being. Why would the effect restriction affect EACH PLAYER and not just YOU, the person activating that effect? XD It prevents non Level/Rank/Link 2 monsters from being Special Summoned for the rest of the turn (after Special Summoning a Level 2 monster from your Deck)
Not really a meta counter, it stops nib but nib is not a deck. Just a broken archetype and card
@@bend4456 True true.
Yeah learnt that the hard way in the nibiru event
Pretty sure Dingirsu non-target sends to grave because all the other Girsu extra deck monsters does the same thing with a different activation requirement.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. More coincidence than a targeted response to TDs. And I also disagree that Ding wouldn't be good if it 'only' destroyed lol.
I always thought it was a parallel for Avramax (untargetable) that mostly came out using IP (indestructible). Then Avramax would spin Dingirsu (only protects from destruction) and force a stalemate. Also LORE!
THE LOOOOOOOOORE
@@babrad Which is partly nonsensical because by then, Longirsu and Avram worked together to face Lee
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 you talk about the events of orcust crescendo and later.
What I talked about is them still being rivals despite supporting opposing forces (initially in the orcust war), where Dingirsu still has the upper hand (sending Avram to gy) but Avram not giving up (spinning Ding into the ED).
Artemite Slay is crazy in Flunder. you can send the extra deck cards that net you resources. Other decks can do it too, but Flunder has consistency issues that this card helps with
The 2019 megatin promos were made to counter danger thunder dragon specifically.
Constellar diamond is THE definition of this:
No send from deck: no sh. fusion, no dante, no squamata
Negates Dark effects: no ba, no shaddoll
Banish cards added from the gy to hand: bye bye dante adding cir, bye bye construct adding a spell
I can't believe no one mentioned Diamond Crab King. That was the funniest one of all I think!
MBT: talking about some cards idk
me: watching Don Juan tryna get a kiss from Rebby in the chat
Can’t believe there was no mention of called by the grave.
5:28 makes me physcially ill.
The borrels are spell speed 4 to prevent the opponent from chain blocking your rokkets
Am I allowed to activate Borrel's effects in response to Counter traps? Wow, that is a powerful effect without a doubt.
Wow, I can believe you're actually a person whose IQ is over 9000!
Lol dude, you're fantastic... Though I'm being sarcastic LMAO 🤣
@@davida.m.fonseca1434 oh no you can't I guess my fault for using the term spell speed 4, it's an unofficial term of the community for cards that that say "Your opponent cannot activate cards or effects in response to this effect's activation"
While Borrelload is a hard counter to Crystal Wing, you can’t really say that it was printed exclusively to counter it, especially regarding the date it came out. CIBR was released in October of 2017, the D/D structure was released in January of 2017 and had already been hard rotated out of the format sheerly by the existence of Zoodiac in February, and there was a whole 6 months of Zoo and Draco format between the D/D structure and Borrelload’s release, by which point, Master Rule 4 came into effect, slaughtering D/D’s end board, forcing it, and by extension Crystal Wing, out of the format entirely, with the exception of those crazy enough to still be on Invoked WindWitch. By the time Borrelload was even revealed, Crystal Wing was a complete irrelevance.
Buster Blader got Destruction Swords to specifically combat the top tier meta at the time of their release and even shared it's type with the deck it countered. Robot Buster for Qli, Wizard Buster for Shaddolls ect...
I'm SO GLAD someone brought up Cyber Dragon, the card that is arguably the Ur example of this type of card. Wayyy back in the day, just before post-goat, Zombie decks had become all the rage thanks to the power of Pyramid Turtle and Vampire Lord. One of my friends was a highly competitive player who played Zombies, and I was a huge nerd who played all the video games and researched upcoming cards. When I found out about Cyber Dragon I dropped everything to make a machine deck to play them. My friend got his first helping of Cyber Dragon that day, and after nearly 20 games together he looked me right in the eyes and said "I don't know what the hell I'm supposed to do about Cyber Dragon. My deck literally has no answer to it."
And thus, a trope was born!
I was basically your friend in the timeline he started playing outs because I saw cyber dragon comeout and started playing monster removal up the ass along with mobius so I could use my rat and turtlr targets for tribute fodder for it or ryu kokki
The best part about Blue Eyes spirit dragon is during that time I played blue eyes and faced a pendulum deck once, it really worked
Remember, you can't "set 5 pass" without first belting out a face-melter.
I’m surprised the rock and dark ruler didn’t make an appearance given the time of their release.
Dark Law is STILL one of my favorite cards, even today if I can run him in a deck with darks and mask change 2 into him im gonna, hell I do in my Tearalament deck because you can make him with any of the main deck dark tears or the lvl 5 fusion to also mill 5. Optimal, no, but hilarious in a Tearalament mirror when you have a 1 sided macro
Pendulums were what got me back into the game
Havent picked it back up since nerf
How did nobody mention the mere existence of Link Monsters? They were originally weak but easy to make to reduce Extra Deck play just in general. MR4 required ALL Extra Deck monsters to be linked, not just Links and Pendulums.
Probably no one wants to remember those dark times.
My theory was that Zoodiacs were a test run for links, with the idea being to see how good things like Link-1 could be. Afterwards, for a while, they decided to modernize archetypes by theoretically making everything as consistent as Zoodiacs by giving every archetype they thought needed a boost a link monster.
Consecrated Light needed to be here. A complete anti dark monster printed when blackwing was running wild.
Ah dingirsu, indeed every td player's nightmare. The funny thing is that orcust already didn't care about colossus. The deck barely did any search!
1 2 oatmeal in the background is doing things for me and i dont know why but it made the vid 100x better
Kaijus didn't arrive during Qli format. It was Kozmo format. A year and a half later
Can we count Kozmojo as an out for Kozmo against Kozmo?
Gotta love a solid mirror card
Why the fuck must I wait half a year to see the Bussey Bunch Goddamn it
Mbt made this video just to see how many times he could say 'SPECIFICALLY' and 'EXACTLY' within 10 minutes.
PRECISELY
I know he says this is free content but MBTs clever, witty commentary really adds a lot of value to the Twitter threads themselves.
I remember when evil Long Yuan was revealed and almost no one thought it'd be good lmao
Love how master peace was designed to be a solution to drident and now they are both on the banlist probably forever
MBT: words his prompt as "designed to blow the back walls off the current meta"
also MBT: surprised that 90% of the responses are about power creep
There's power creep!?
Got negated halfway through combo
I wouldn't say Borrelload was meant to counter Crystal Wing. It's effect being unable to be responded to was more to push the Rokket's effects so he himself can be safe. (They have to dodge the bullet and can't disarming the gun).
That, and Rokkets can miss timing
"This is gonna be the first twitter thread dire can't make a video out of"
Well someone got proven wrong.
This is a certified Chaos Nepthys classic.
The Borreload thing sounds like nonsense though. Crystal Wing wasn't that popular.
5:58
Yes i can absolutely say this will be a problem. A dogmatika player beat my tearalaments a couple times with that card.
All ocg decks have it on the side deck!
Wait, pure Dogmatika or an engine ala Adventure token????
@@mattbaltimore7195 The pure deck, the ritual deck dogmatika
@@mattbaltimore7195 Ritual Dogmatika goes really hard... if they survive the first two turns.
The recursion and swarming they have while having high beatsticks, negates and a good amount of destructions are all great.
Pure Dogmatika just sadly has an absolutely dogshit turn 1 because they need a very specific set of cards in hand to end on something decent at all.
The newest set of support cards (White Relic, Dogmatikaturgy, etc.) helped a lot with that, but their first turn is still pretty bad.
I have to say that a love the morphing jar thumbnail 👌🏻
(5:20) I love/hate the fact that these two songs are synonymous with combos and monkey decks.
Do happen to remember the name of the 2nd song, with the epic gnarly "whoahoooaaaa"?
Im totally blanking on the name.
8:11 Theory: This irresponsiveness, a feature of all Link-4 or higher Borrel monsters, is supposed to synergise with the main deck Rokket monsters that can self-destruct for some benefit when targeted for the effect of a Link monster.
It resembles the usage of firearms: the Borrel dragons are guns and the Rokkets are their ammunition (presumably their archetypal theme in the manga/anime).
Preventing responses to the "weapons" being loaded and fired off is a bit of fan service for everyone who liked that combo in the story.
Lunalight had monsters that countered Kosmos. Leo Dancer was a 3500 atk beatstick that had targeting and destruction protection, so none of their cards could get over it. It can also be argued that that the way Cat/Panther function with their attacks was a way to counter their floating effects
Crimson Blader came out the set after Dragon Rulers did (although I could be wrong about the timing of it's release, but I'm pretty sure I have it right), and did absolutely nothing to stop them, although that was what it was designed to do.
I don't know if it was mentioned but Number 98 Antitopian was an answer for Utopia the Lightning.
well you see when we talk about targeted deck types and Konami intervention, we cannot forget about master rule 4.
Omg MBT video
How the hell did nobody mention jinzo!? as soon as trap cards were becoming a strong option if not THE strongest option, here comes jinzo to fuck up your day.
Also imperial order, did the same with spell cards.....
Perhaps Jinzo did his job too well, has anyone seen a meta deck with more than 5 trap cards in it this year?
@@charziz6693 Obviously i meant back in the first few years of yugioh, were jinzo was feared back in the day.
You joke but not only do i hate how much faster the game has become in the last decade but i actually miss trap cards.
Now its mostly monster effects and some spell that searches.
trap cards not only slowed the game but made you scared of summoning or going to the battle phase...
I think the reason that Borreloads targeting effect can’t be responded to is because it was meant to work with Rokkets, whose whole gimmick is having their monster be targeted by the effect is a link monster, so it gave the deck a way to ensure their Rokket could be targeted
MBT when x is a card that is a good example of the point that he is trying to illustrate: "x is a fantastic example"
Dire,that outro was straight criminal WTF
So the Thing about Borrelload and All the Borrel Links is their relation to Rokkets, an archetype of Modern yugiog that are "WHEN.... You can effects. So activate a link effect targeting your rockets, opponent chains MST to stop your Rokket from chaining
I play Dark Law in my Branded deck, using Mask Change 2. It is really good tech.
You know, I was thinking of playing that in my spright twins
Summary of this video:
kozmo: *literally just exists
The entire format: *gun pointing
Format Assassins, is what Rata called them.
So harpies got harpies feather storm to counter hand traps, just like how it’s still used today
Man i love this. Sum up and simplified.
Dire editing at 5:23 - 5:32 is peak editing
I feel like floowandereeze was made specifically to beat tri-brigade. Empen says no to link monsters and you can not beat over it. Their best removal is banishing with shuirag, floow really doesn’t care about having their cards banished. They can play shifter to just stop them completely plus stri and snowl to prevent them from making links in the first place.
A Lost Horizon reference in an MBT Video?!?
The Backend of the Pendulum Era in everyone's favourite Set; Maximum Crisis, gave us Ash Blossom. I feel I shouldn't need to elaborate on this.
1:25 Ah yes, the meta deck's counter meta card that counters meta by "being really good."
Trif: and i took that personally
The albaz structure deck seemed to be made specifically to stop destroyer Phoenix enforcer and adventure, the two engines plaguing the format before its release
0:33 was that a song from Everywhere at the End of Time? Or was it just "The Fire is Gone" from Ultrakill?
Ghost Sister and Spooky Dogwood was released not long after Danger Dark World FTK got hit.
Joseph please make a podcast. I want to hear your unedited, hour-long yugioh ramblings on my way to work
Wait, Kozmo was playable during Arc V format???? (Breaksword, wasn't utopic future f0 a late legacy support)?
Kozmo literally was made in ARC V era lol
As a Gladiator Beast player back in the early 2010s, I still can't forgive Konami for printing Gladiator Taming.
An in-archetype BOM isn't that bad; Trojan Gladiator Beast and Tygerius are just "WHY??!!"
@@chibigohan925 Those are awful too. I meant that Gladiator Taming was made specifically to counter Gladiator Beasts.
I feel like Lyrilusc Bird Call was a pretty pushed card (for Lyriluscs specifically) either add or send a lyrilusc from deck to hand or graveyard, and an optional special summon another one from the hand, though it does have a huge Ash target on its back 😂 (I’ve had my Bird Calls Ash’d so many times on md it’s hilarious) then I’d follow up with “oh no, anyway” and proceed to special summon a billion smol birds
the rare twitter thread that you can also do about shadowverse as nearly every expansion has a few of those
I see people throw around terms like "extender" in Yugioh (including in the posts shown in this video), but I could never find a good definition for what that means. What does it mean?
Konami is like that villain from Robots that wants robots to buy "ugrades" instead of reparations
sad morphing jar is so iconic
Some of these feel like MBT lives in a different reality than me
I'm hoping to see weather painters shoot up as an extremely viable deck now that the field spell was released. I only just got back into yugioh *because* of playing the weather painters in Master Duel. I wish the field spell and the new link 3 were available in there, but what can ya do?
Konami Tries to Fix The Meta Themselves
*Flames of Destruction*
Tear... Dark monsters... Don't make me laugh TEAR WAIFUS ELEMENT
Does this mean that Stellarknights beat Branded Despia if they go first and make their floodgate?
It locks Branded Fusion, you would have to make Despia fusions or hard draw Albaz himself to out it if you don't have any monster destruction in your hand.
Aluber add Despia, Theatre of the Branded
@@Grayewick Constellar Diamond is also a negate for a DARK monster.
@@skeletonwar4445 just open the Field Spell anyway, simple.
@@Grayewick Yes. "Just draw the out" is, in fact, always the answer.
@@skeletonwar4445 otherwise, skill issue tbh
You forgot the generators archetype which was pushed to be the best field spell that makes tokens in order to push down the broken pacifist control deck
I reckon a lot of people didn't really get this question.
8:13, every Rokket monster has a "when" condition on their trigger effects so I'm inclined Konami really didn't want these things chainblocked so they made every single borrel link unable to be responded.
It's Okay Darklaw. You're still /MY/ favorite Hero Fusion.
Missed Crimson Blader.
Evilswarm Ophion was designed to force players out of synchro decks and into xyz.
when wavering eyes came out i put it right in my qliphort deck. it was amazing
I love these Twitter threads. Keep it up!
Just pointing out that a lot of these cards are from the pendulum era.
I'm having Vietnam flashbacks of how broken those formats were.
anyone ever forget to set wavering eyes turn 1 then immediate lose to your opponent who is also playing a pend deck definitely wouldn't be me 🙃
Paleos were designed to answer Zoo.
How in God's name did Dire remember the Bussey bunch