2014 Heavyweight Sport-Tourer Shootout

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
  • BMW K1600GT vs. Kawasaki Concours14 vs. Triumph Trophy SE vs. Yamaha FJR1300ES
    It's hard to imagine motorcycles more cut out for a long weekend than these four - all with hard sidebags, great wind protection, shaft drive and everything you need to take your show on the road.
    Advances in chassis design, electronics, suspension and tires allow these heavy beasts to attack twisty roads with the ferocity of full-on sportbikes from not so long ago, with nary a wobble and barely the drag of an occasional footpeg feeler. And the real beauty is how deliciously comfy they are when getting to and from.
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Комментарии • 521

  • @steveh7108
    @steveh7108 3 года назад +18

    They failed to mention about the reliability of the BMW.
    I owned one and I do believe the reliability is way below all the others and when you add in the price tag it definitely makes the FJR my next bike.
    I never really considered the triumph trophy but maybe I should.
    BMW was a fantastic bike but I don't think I'll do that again.

    • @Stripping_Bolts
      @Stripping_Bolts 2 года назад +4

      I just bought an FJR, thing is a blast

    • @andy3d1
      @andy3d1 5 месяцев назад

      don't forget the expensive service costs - the valve check requites a huge about of labour getting into the engine. If you go BMW it has to be boxer engine.

  • @eugeneanderson8884
    @eugeneanderson8884 7 лет назад +45

    Great review. I had two FJRs and, after listening to all the Concours 1400 hype, bought a new 1400 in 2011. Everything said here is true. That bike felt big and was a chore to throw thru the turns. Traded it for a new 2014 FJR. Would never go back. Took the FJR across the USA coast to coast and back. 8500 miles in 23 days. FJRs are amazing machines.

    • @Matjes81
      @Matjes81 5 лет назад +4

      With other tyres the Concours feels like a bicycle.

    • @MrPmailloux1
      @MrPmailloux1 4 года назад +8

      I have wanted the 2012 and got one (Concours 2012 ) in 2015 and never looked back when it moves the weight is gone, it steers and the power! Add an ECU flash and everything smooths out and gains power. No regrets. I think this stuff is so dang subjective, can't go wrong with any of these bikes, except the pricy BMW

    • @chasefreedom5178
      @chasefreedom5178 4 года назад +4

      Nothing you described is a Concours. Enjoy your FJ..

    • @chasefreedom5178
      @chasefreedom5178 4 года назад +1

      You bought a bike that you did not like? Hmmm. I smell controlled opposition. Nobody buys anything that they do not want. If so you are a idiot.

    • @akisapikellis7796
      @akisapikellis7796 3 года назад +3

      @@chasefreedom5178 more sporty, more powerfull, more strong, more stable any connie than any fjr

  • @taniond729
    @taniond729 10 лет назад +61

    I'd have the Yamaha FJR. Great combination of sporting performance and touring practicality. And in my opinion it's the best looking of the group by far.

    • @NZsarge1
      @NZsarge1 10 лет назад +7

      I agree, I like the look of the FJR and always have but I like the Concours too. The BMW is ok but looks top heavy and Triumph does nothing for me at all though I'm sure it's a fine bike, all of them are really.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +8

      The FJR is also simple enough that you can do your own maintenance.

    • @holdencaulfied7492
      @holdencaulfied7492 7 лет назад +2

      FJR is a great bike. But the engine has no character. If you don't care about that, it probably makes the most sense.

    • @C_R_O_M________
      @C_R_O_M________ 7 лет назад +1

      The FJR has a somewhat boring engine and a clunky gearbox and not so smooth back axle (in terms of abruptness). If the C14 has anything close to my ZX14 it should be a hell of an engine.

    • @johnjones3648
      @johnjones3648 7 лет назад +4

      My FJR will hang with any C14 out there.

  • @heathcolwell9190
    @heathcolwell9190 10 лет назад +19

    I just watched an 11 minute shootout, that wasn't a shootout? The whole thing is a commercial for your website? hats.

  • @jonnbravo9804
    @jonnbravo9804 7 лет назад +10

    Love my 2016 Concours. Bought it new with two miles on it. Has almost 20000 miles on it over the last year.

    • @alanhassall
      @alanhassall 4 года назад

      The 2016 has recalibrated linked braking and slightly different gearing in the lower gears. I have a 2011 that I love, but the brakes do take some getting used to.

  • @57southernrocker
    @57southernrocker 10 лет назад +4

    I totally agree with all the other Connie 14 people on here. This is a great motorcycle. The one smart comment that the one guy made about going to a 190/55/17 truly does make a huge difference in how it turns in. I have a new set of Michelin PR4's on my 2011 and they are awsome.

  • @samspade2433
    @samspade2433 3 года назад +2

    My Dad had a Concours and I really liked it. I bought an FJR 1300 though and absolutely loved it! Best bike I’ve ever owned and one of the best I’ve ever ridden. I wish I’d never sold it.

  • @stardustdreamfactory1947
    @stardustdreamfactory1947 7 лет назад +3

    After owning two fully loaded ('01 and '08), trouble free and entertaining Triumph Sprint STs ('08 has a useless main beam) I would go with the Trophy. I'm just a Triumph guy.... Took delivery of a Trophy SE at the end of July - very pleased. Has every option except heated seats. Performed long overdue air filter change and the dealer updated the ECM tune complimentary on the Sprint - glad I hung onto it. Looking at the Quick Shifter add on for the Sprint.

  • @wihardy
    @wihardy 9 лет назад +36

    Oh how I wish Mother Honda would have continued what she started with the ST1300

    • @reynaldorivera7641
      @reynaldorivera7641 5 лет назад +3

      I wish they would update it.

    • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
      @user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 лет назад +2

      Better yet, the VFR1200F.

    • @bramvandermey8779
      @bramvandermey8779 5 лет назад +2

      I just bought a new VFR1200X with DCT transmission for less than half of what BMW 1600GT cost and I think it is far more reliable.

    • @jjcooter
      @jjcooter 5 лет назад +1

      wihardy love the st1300 what a great bike

    • @Gixxer-1100
      @Gixxer-1100 4 года назад

      Bram van der Mey it's just a question of how long the DTC will work for you because my colleague was replaced on it for the second time at 43000km ... honda is no longer what it used to be ...

  • @tommelchild5011
    @tommelchild5011 10 лет назад +46

    Why don't they ever talk about all the problems people have with the K1600? If you look at the forums you see many, many instances where people have multiple water pump, transmission, motor, rear drive and handlebar switch problems that BMW never solves. For a $30,000 motorcycle you would think it would work correctly without spending half it's time in the shop.

    • @curtdaniels2759
      @curtdaniels2759 7 лет назад +1

      So true. If you speak ill of a BMW on a BMW forum, others on that forum will really attack you.

    • @stevenbaggetta3905
      @stevenbaggetta3905 6 лет назад +3

      Maybe because the issues you speak of were inherent of the first gen K 1600, this shootout is 2014/2015 era.. 14 and up don't have those issues anymore. True there may be a few here or there that have an issue, but for me I have a 15 GT that I ride like hard and have not had one issue in 10k miles. YMMV

    • @burnerjack01
      @burnerjack01 5 лет назад +1

      Thanks for posting that Steve. I keep agonizing between the GT, GTL, GTb and the Yamaha FJR.

    • @stevenbaggetta3905
      @stevenbaggetta3905 5 лет назад +1

      john hanrahan my buddy had a FJR before he switched to a GSA. He has travelled all over the US at least once and I consider an expert rider. He stated that the FJR is designed with a higher range powerband. Where he always found himself getting into triple digits without even thinking about it. I think the K1600 would be more manageable in that regard.

    • @stevenkelby2169
      @stevenkelby2169 5 лет назад

      @@stevenbaggetta3905 Because it's slower?

  • @QuentinsMotoVlog
    @QuentinsMotoVlog 3 года назад +9

    One thing I would like you to add to these is cost of ownership over time. I think the $26K for the Beemer is just the start of an expensive journey.

    • @iskinmind7020
      @iskinmind7020 3 года назад +1

      That might be an understatement :) BMW are best bought new and sold immediately as soon as warranty expires. At least that is what I get from friends and colleagues who own BMW bikes. Some were even forced to buy a second, "just in case" bike, usually a scooter or a small displacement one for getting around town when their main machine is in service for one reason or the other. Most of them own GS though, so I am not sure this 100% applies to the 1600. My FJR's most horrible break down was burnt out lightbulbs that I had to change.

    • @tibork3845
      @tibork3845 3 года назад

      @@iskinmind7020 I disagree, I have a '94 RS for 4 years now, has close to 90K miles and never once broke down on the road. My girl and I do shorter trips like 1-3 hour rides and this thing just keep going. Before this I had a 600cc Yamaha and it felt CHEAP compared to the BMW and had a LOT more problems even it had only 45K miles on it. We have many former Harley guys in our BMW club, they switched because they got jealous that their Harleys frequently sat at to the shop while the BMW guys just kept riding; they tell us on our forum all the time. The reason the BMWs are so expensive is because of quality, reliability and durability. While most bikes are made for 100K as their life the BMWs are made to run for 200K. The only thing I don't like is service charges, they are a LOT for repairs but I am lucky to have a former BMW master mechanic living not far from me, he does everything for half price, and of course best to get a good manual and do any regular maintenance or anything you can yourself. I would not go with anything but a BMW as my next bike.

    • @iskinmind7020
      @iskinmind7020 3 года назад +2

      @@tibork3845 I absolutely do not dispute older BMW reliability. Older models, whether it is bikes or cars, have almost legendary reliability. The same goes for Mercedes cars. It all went sideways for them sometime during early 2000s. Whereas before their vehicles were designed by actual mechanics with hands on experience of maintenance issues, now it all comes out of a AutoCAD drawing board as a "theoretically working, super optimized solution". This over optimization and tech cramming became an obsession for them, and many real life problems were ignored. As an example, for the love of everything, I can not find a reason to make a simple oil change be as difficult as it is on larger GS models. Even to get to an oil filter you need unique and highly specialized tools that only BMW use. Sure, a filter can on an FJR increases drag by about 0.0000000001% and shifts weight slightly sideways by the same amount. But you can screw it in and out by hand, and that is a HUGE advantage for day to day living with your machine.

    • @tibork3845
      @tibork3845 3 года назад

      @@iskinmind7020 I didn't know these, thanks for the info. I'll make sure my next bike will remain and older year. I do agree even the '94 is kind of complex to work on (compared to my former Yamaha) and a longer process to learn and I heard the RT is even worse because of the additional panels and gadgets. And of course the problem with newer vehicles - be it a bike or car - is everything run by computers so you can't just fix anything on it at home. I can see the point on the CAD design's drawbacks. I do like the look of the GS but I don't think I would get one only because it's just not my style. I actually first was looking at the FJR and sat on one twice but felt was too heavy for me and one of the other important reasons I picked the BMW, the low center of gravity with the boxer engine. It's surprisingly easy to pickup and balance almost like a mid-sized bike - just watch the turns with the cylinder heads.

    • @iskinmind7020
      @iskinmind7020 3 года назад

      @@tibork3845 If you like BMW style of ergonomics and ride, there is a very good BMW sport touring model that basically has all the BMW advantages while having next to no drawbacks. Aside from age that is. If you get a chance, try out the BMW 1150 RT. These are early 2000s, with the same engine that the GS used previously. They are very cheap now, thanks to being obscured by the more popular GS series. This is perhaps the pinnacle of BMW reliability, while being a very good touring bike overall. In fact, I was considering one of these myself, but had problems finding one in a good condition - it is not a very motorcycle friendly environment up here due to colder climate and thus, a very small market and poor selection. If you get a '03 to '05 year model, they basically have all the minor quirks sorted out (they never had major ones to my knowledge). Much easier to handle than an FJR due to lower center of gravity of the boxer engine. It is even easier than a GS, because the engine is even lower due to short suspension. It is a road oriented bike only though. But for a 500km+ ride, it is hard to find a better machine, considering the price point. My choice of the FJR had more to do with bikes and parts availability in the region. Well, and the fact that it can do 130mph+ 2up with loaded saddlebags, trunk and a raised screen, but that was one time only and cops do not need to know about it. :)

  • @motodrang4287
    @motodrang4287 3 года назад +5

    Bought the Trophy because of the touring focus that they criticized. Well and the price was great for all you get.

  • @dave1a55
    @dave1a55 10 лет назад +3

    I love my 1983 Honda V65 magna. I purchased it for $500 not running. Bought some good carbs got it running. The 1100cc V4 engine has plenty of power for me & it's a good looking bike.

  • @theflyinggauntlet
    @theflyinggauntlet 5 месяцев назад

    Good review. I still have my 2011 K1600GT. I ride all over Europe and it has never let me down. My wife loves it too. She agreed to ride with me for the first time last year to France, we had a great time.

  • @JohnMan59
    @JohnMan59 10 лет назад +7

    Very nice guys. Great to see some "off script" give-and-take conversation. Most of these vids are pretty stale and stick to features, engine size, etc. Refreshing to hear how you FEEL when riding each bike. That's what it's all about, right??

  • @mrfrankdangelo1
    @mrfrankdangelo1 10 лет назад +10

    The BMW is simply the most perfect bike known to mankind. I have never in my life experienced a motorcycle like this. It's the largest smallest bike, I have ever had the privilege to ride. Congratulations to the engineers at BMW for their commitment to perfection.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +10

      Now, if they could just make it RELIABLE.

    • @donkramer2579
      @donkramer2579 5 лет назад +9

      After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
      Bring My Wallet

    • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
      @user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 лет назад

      Frank, true! BMW builds incredible motorbikes. Pure magic.

    • @billyjack8119
      @billyjack8119 4 года назад +4

      If they are like the cars they build then they are over engineered pieces of junk. Most folks i talk to that have them seem to like them and have good luck. My problem is i dont like having that much money tied up into a hobby so a bmw is a bad choice for me. I was truly interested in buying a concours but i didn't know they didn't have cruise control so i am glad i watched this.

    • @johnrowley4993
      @johnrowley4993 3 года назад

      I test rode the BMW 6 cylinder and loved it. Riding back to the dealership at 30 mph and using the engine braking there was an awful clunk from the rear. I got back and told the salesman I wanted one but without the clunk 😂 According to the salesman they’re all like that. It’s something I couldn’t live with. Fabulous bikes though

  • @edvineyard1143
    @edvineyard1143 6 лет назад +3

    I tested all of those bikes, plus the R1200RT, and decided on the Triumph Trophy SE. It has been a fantastic bike. The main reason I choose it was ergonomics. I am 6'3" and have long legs and the other bikes felt cramped to me. I have owned the Trophy for over two years now and have had zero problems. The only negative I can think of is that 2017 was the last year for the bike. You can get great deals on them however.

  • @scottsawyer8686
    @scottsawyer8686 6 лет назад +2

    that was the best info i have gotten so far. My local dealer is selling the Triumph Trophy SE for 12.999 out the door period. I ride a crusier {yamaha stratoliner 1900} but i am seriously looking at sport tourer

  • @brendanreitz1073
    @brendanreitz1073 8 лет назад +9

    Nice wheelie by the Connie at 9:30 mark....!!

  • @Terry-kv2je
    @Terry-kv2je 9 лет назад +3

    You guys that keep on saying where's the Goldwing: This is a Sport Touring albeit (heavy weight) ST shoot out. The Goldwing is a full fledge Touring bike not a true sport tourer. Some call it a cruiser but that is not it's true class. Sport tourers are a mixture sportbike and touring bikes.

  • @peterdsoto941
    @peterdsoto941 10 лет назад +10

    I own a 2013 Concours. I love the bike. I considered the Yahama but i got this one for 11500 new.. I agree it really should have cruise and adjustable suspension, also braking is good and will stop great but it really does engage way to abruptly. Also scary fast. I didn't even consider the BMW's cause waaaay too pricey. Love your reviews and they are spot on!!

    • @Algarin01
      @Algarin01 10 лет назад +1

      I AGREE, GOT A 2011 AND REALLY LIKE IT, BUT KAWASAKI HAS TO STEP UP AND ADD MORE FEATURES TO IT, CONSIDERING THEIR COMPETITORS DID ALREADY WITH THEIR OTHER MODELS.

    • @Gonzo85305
      @Gonzo85305 10 лет назад +3

      I agree with you both! Concours is a great bike, I thought they would at least have cruise control on it by now :(

    • @holdencaulfied7492
      @holdencaulfied7492 7 лет назад

      Dsoto, why did you pick the C14 over the FJR? I'm trying to decide on my next bike.

    • @C_R_O_M________
      @C_R_O_M________ 7 лет назад +1

      The FJR is bulletproof overall but the motor is not very inspiring. The C14, if it's anything close to a ZX14 it should be great.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 7 лет назад +1

      I wouldn't call 0 - 60 mph in less that 3 seconds and a standing quarter mile speed just a bit less than 120 mph "not very inspiring". I'd call it pretty good for a somewhat porky sport-tourer running regular gas.
      The C14 is just a little bit faster and a bit quicker. The FJR is simple enough that I can (and do) do my own maintenance. And it will run 150 mph - on regular gas.
      Only downside is that the FJR has 5 speed transmission, well, "downside" if you buy a bike by checkbox. And MamaYama fixed that "problem" in 2016.
      Now, I ride solo, but i suspect that most passengers would be more comfortable on the C-14.

  • @richardshort4587
    @richardshort4587 7 лет назад +7

    Regardless of make or model WHY DONT WE GET A BETTER COLOUR CHOICE FROM THE MANUFACTURERS

    • @garyhenry3705
      @garyhenry3705 5 лет назад +1

      Richard Short I’ve been wondering this for a solid 10 years plus all four Honda Yamaha BMW Kawasaki all have these basic color schemes can they get a little more creative?!?!?!

  • @ydl3084
    @ydl3084 4 года назад +4

    I have never had a problem stearin or flicking my Concours! Every time I hear that statement I want to laugh!!!

    • @andrebosgraaf2086
      @andrebosgraaf2086 4 года назад

      I have a 190 55 tyre and ohlins in the back and it steers sharp.

    • @chasefreedom5178
      @chasefreedom5178 4 года назад +2

      With a 55 series rear tire the Concours is very nimble. It seems that unless it is ride by wire l, has blue tooth and all other gizmos that increase maintenance a bike falls short. I have ridden all the bikes in this class. All of them good. But the Concours to me is a superior machine. It is fascinating reading and hearing claims that cornering is an issue. Even with the 50 series rear the 2 Connies I have owned in no way gave me this impression. Perhaps the reviewers should check the suspension settings? Or run with proper air pressure in tires.....?

    • @ntdscherer
      @ntdscherer 3 года назад

      @@chasefreedom5178 What do you like better about the Concours compared to the others?

    • @chasefreedom5178
      @chasefreedom5178 3 года назад +2

      @@ntdscherer shear power Nate. It is simple and comfortable. Putting the 200-55 17 on the rear this bike has few peers. ECU flash and a slip on exhaust saves some 40lbs literally replacing that potato cannon. Up to 15hp with the flash. All the bikes in this class have good qualities. I love the connie though. All the bells and whistles that come on todays bikes have real consequences.....Down time and expense.

    • @efrenmoran8098
      @efrenmoran8098 3 года назад

      I have an 09 and this thing is a beast. It’s not a liter bike but handles like a super sport in the canyons.

  • @richardcasey7521
    @richardcasey7521 6 лет назад +1

    I own the Kawasaki and noticed that having the correct tire pressure is VERY important. I previously owned the FJR and it put my right hand to sleep in 20 minutes.

  • @jarin12ga
    @jarin12ga 4 года назад +3

    I own the Yamaha FJR1300 its literally rocket fast, with bags.And all the bells and whiskles

  • @ToxicUFO
    @ToxicUFO 8 лет назад +5

    i love how he says each model and a price then the bmw they talk about the motor and features then the price. building that one up. lol

  • @innerverse1809
    @innerverse1809 Год назад +1

    I own a 2014 concours. Ive been running it for 2 years. The brake issue is true, they did fix it and I've learned to ride around it. This review is unfairly hard on it though. I really think if you put these on the track, the c14 would still dominate. They are a very good motorcycle. As an owner, there are many more things to praise about the concours. Buy a 2016 or later if you can find them. The fact they did not hold it in high praise for that zx14 variant motor with VVT, is beyond me. 130mph dead stable, 70+ mph corners, cuts like a knife. Gusty wind? No problem. 150hp, 100lb ft and a 6 speed, cmon...

  • @PrinceKlutz
    @PrinceKlutz 8 лет назад +3

    Pretty good vid. I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR. Awesome machine i got for 5k a year ago. Only complaint is the stock windshield puts the turbulence on my helmet, thinking of adding a lip, and the clutch is a bit heavy.

    • @tonkool4736
      @tonkool4736 8 лет назад +1

      +Larry Watkins Here in Holland, quite near Amsterdam, is the company of former (almost... :-) ) 125 cc roadracing worldchampion Jos Schurgers of Jos Schurgers Design. At his company I bought my self a tailormade windshield for my own 2001 Yamaha FJR1300. It fits like a glove; no turbulence whatsoever around my helmet anymore! Now the soothing buzzing of the beautiful engine gives me the constant impression of travelling in a real Boeing 747 Jumbojet! Fantastic! Ton Kool, Amsterdam.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +1

      "I ride a Gen II YamaMama FJR . . . "
      I have a 2013 (Series III). I REALLY wanted cruise control. Right after my first medium long trip, I bought a Yamaha Touring Windshield.
      The clutch IS a little heavy, but for a little over $300 or so you can fit the 2016 clutch parts.

    • @urtoastbadvised
      @urtoastbadvised 5 лет назад +1

      Fjr

  • @Wabbit1961
    @Wabbit1961 8 лет назад +3

    The complaint about the Kawasaki's handling has been addressed in previous reviews of earlier models. It's a simple tire swap out to Pirelli Angel GT tires and the bike's front end turns in like a true sports bike. So the complaint about the Kaw's handling is a moot point. Plus, they can actually be had for $13,000 if you're a savvy buyer.

  • @robertbrandywine
    @robertbrandywine 10 лет назад +42

    The BMW excludes itself from the rest because of its price. It would make more sense to substitute the Honda ST1300 for it.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +3

      "Here it is 2016 and Honda hasn't updated the bike since 2012."
      Honda hasn't PRODUCED the ST1300 since 2012. And Honda has ceded the sports touring market to others.

    • @user-gb2bd1hs6p
      @user-gb2bd1hs6p 7 лет назад

      Eagle1 二宮

    • @moshealex
      @moshealex 7 лет назад

      I own Honda ST1300 2012 and this is last years of made. No more ST for now.

    • @moshealex
      @moshealex 7 лет назад

      I agree with you, but I bought last from Mohicans (2012 Honda ST1300). :)

    • @MrPruske
      @MrPruske 5 лет назад +1

      @@johnc8910 the vfr is nice

  • @tracysheets7885
    @tracysheets7885 3 года назад +1

    I've had 2 Goldwings and now have a BMW 1600 GTL. The GTL is great on corners and feels super light and no dip in braking like the wing. But the stereo on the GW was better and the BMW is faster. The comfort of the rides are similar. Fixing to take the BMW for long ride so will for sure tell if there is a difference. I do know the 7 gal tank on the BMW is great compared to the wing and I can pass some gas stations up. Getting 47 mpg on the BMW to 42 on the wing.

  • @turbo311
    @turbo311 8 лет назад +1

    Top box, heated seats, and heated grips are all extra cost options on the Trophy SE, unless Triumph was including them as part of a sales promotion as they commonly do. Great bike, but I might still choose the FJR.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      I did. The FJR has cruise control, traction control, and two riding modes. It has heated grips. Top box is extra. The only way to get a heated seat is to install a custom seat.

  • @davida1679
    @davida1679 4 года назад +2

    I have 30k on the Concours. Bought it new. Stock tires are garbage. Put on Pilot road fives and the guys on 600cc super sports better know what they’re doing if they are going to keep up in the twisties!

  • @paxwallacejazz
    @paxwallacejazz 6 лет назад +5

    Well hell just change the tires on the Concourse. I have a feeling that with just a minimal $ input and you'd get the best bike. Bad linked breaking? Hmm

    • @adammfharris
      @adammfharris 3 года назад +1

      It’s actually excellent linked breaking. I have a 19 Connie, and maybe they changed something, but take one on a ride and try to notice the link.

  • @phillycheesetake
    @phillycheesetake 10 лет назад +9

    The BMW looks like an angry owl.

  • @dixiethedog1777
    @dixiethedog1777 9 лет назад +3

    I really love to watch your video's,especially now that I want to switch from my Busa to something a bit more relaxed for long distance two up riding.
    The review's are fantastic and very informative,BUT (lol),one thing missing for me,which is important,is no review's of life from the pillion seat. I'd like to hear from a passenger as to how comfortable (or not) the bike's are after a good few miles out on the road?
    If you do any further review's,take a pillion along!!!
    Brett

  • @catdaddy3302
    @catdaddy3302 6 лет назад +1

    $26k may be a large sum to pay for the GT. But I just lucked up on a 2014 K1600 GT with 8,400 miles on it for $13,999. It’s like new and almost $10k less. Look around and find a slightly pre owned one.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f 5 лет назад +1

    Blasting a K1600 from a redlight is like injecting pure adrenalin into your veins.

  • @wolfflighttzw
    @wolfflighttzw 6 месяцев назад +1

    2024 and I think my Trophy SE is just about perfect for everything it does.

  • @debelt
    @debelt 10 лет назад +4

    Love my 2012 Connie 14. Yes, it may be a little less refined than the others but it's still a great value. Paid $16,200 out the door in 2013 with a 7 year extended warranty. I'll ride it until the warranty is up or it's paid off and look at what's available at that time. The R 1200 RT is a dream to ride as well. Only 3 tenths of a second slower in the quarter mile than the K1600 GT, but too pricey as well.

    • @Algarin01
      @Algarin01 10 лет назад

      AGREE, MINE IS A 2011, AND EVEN THOUGH IT LACKS SOME OF THE BELLS AND WHISTLES FROM THE OTHER BIKES IT IS STILL A BUDGET FRIENDLY MOTORCYCLE WITH PLENTY OF PUNCH, HOPEFULLY KAWASAKI WILL IMPROVE ON THE CONNIE IN THE FUTURE WITH SOME OTHER FEATURES SO IT CAN COMPETE WITH YAMAHA.

    • @simonflr
      @simonflr 9 лет назад

      Yup (1200 RT too pricey, the dealer near me has one at $22,900!)...

    • @curtdaniels2759
      @curtdaniels2759 7 лет назад +1

      Spend $400 dollars on the Connie, reflashed ecu for super smooth throttle and power then change back tire to 55 series and you will out accelerate and corner step for step with Yamaha.

    • @holdencaulfied7492
      @holdencaulfied7492 7 лет назад +1

      Ebelt, so you're going to wait until you finally don't have a bike payment then you're going to go back in and pay a shitload in fees, get bitchslapped on the trade-in value, then start financing all over again? How about instead you enjoy the bike you finally own then put what would be your new bike monthly payment, plus fees, plus tax, plus whatever other hidden BS the stealership comes up with and put that money in the bank !! You're welcome.

    • @C_R_O_M________
      @C_R_O_M________ 7 лет назад

      When I heard the guy in the video talking about a flat 190/50 at the rear of the C14 I immediately thought of the 55 height tire. It worked very well on my ZZR1400.

  • @yodaisgod2
    @yodaisgod2 10 лет назад +9

    Dear MCN,
    Get these mics.

  • @MOTORBIKEvideo
    @MOTORBIKEvideo 10 лет назад +1

    Exciting to hear your comments on these bikes. I really fancy taking such a bike on a tour. I want the BMW, but it's too expensive. The Triumph is really good, but I don't like the looks. I like the looks of the Kawasaki but not that it is difficult to stear in sharp turns. The Yamaha seems like a good compromise, or?

    • @johnrowley4993
      @johnrowley4993 3 года назад

      I was at a bike meet and got talking with a guy with a GTR 1400. He was going to trade it in because it was a handful in the corners. He sat on mine that has the bar risers and they make so much difference. I can hustle mine two up and keep up with most other bikes. The Kawasaki’s rear suspension is very pillion friendly.

  • @BrandonRideout135
    @BrandonRideout135 9 лет назад +3

    You should of added the honda goldwing

  • @crackerjack8115
    @crackerjack8115 4 года назад +3

    Miss my 2005 triumph sprint st 1050 triple. 36k miles never had a problem

  • @usafvet6766
    @usafvet6766 5 лет назад +7

    I'm sticking to the Concours 14. ! 👍 🇺🇸

    • @Tax2Me
      @Tax2Me 5 лет назад

      usaf vet i kind of go for that too. But other than style (fjr beats a in looks) what would you do if you are 6.2, overweight 278lbs and over 55 years old?

    • @usafvet6766
      @usafvet6766 5 лет назад +1

      @@Tax2Me
      I'm over 55. Lol. Weigh 200lbs. 5' 10". My 2017 is Awesome.
      my friends FJ won't run with my Connie. Lol
      I just got off a 2016 ZX14R SE. ! That thing was a Death Machine on wheels. But I had fun with her. Woohoo

    • @rufus1346
      @rufus1346 4 года назад

      @@Tax2Me ...I am really interested to know what you would do. That sounds like me, overweight 6'2 and in my late 50's. I am looking to get my first bike with a fairing. Been riding for 40 years this July and have come to the conclusion I need a bit of comfort in the older age:) At the moment I ride a Triumph Rocket, which I will never sell and would like to get myself something along the lines of this type of bike to go with it:)
      cheers

  • @chavenger
    @chavenger 8 лет назад +1

    i own a 2015 c14. kawi fixed the issue with the linked system and changed some seals in the neck to loosen up the steering. With those issues being fixed the 2015 model is a beast, and oh sooo fast! haven't lost to anything yet! gs750 z1000 fjr1300 zx6r i beat them all! kawi for the win!

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      The C-14, because of the RAM induction and premium gas, is substantially quicker than the FJR, but according to Motorcycle Consumer News (NO advertising), it is only about 3 mph faster than the FJR (around 153.+ as opposed to 150.+). It just feels a lot faster.
      Of the four, the FJR is mechanically simple enough that a handy rider can do all of his own routine maintenance. And the FJR runs quite well on the 85 octane gas you find out West when you get off the beaten path. And I love the cruise control.
      Triumph and BMW, compared to the other two, have comparatively poor dealer networks in the USA.
      The Triumph Trophy has what I call quality control problems, primarily with the electronics.
      The BMW R1200RS was on my short list in 2014, but if I had bought it, it would have spent about 6 months in the shop. The model was recalled because of problems with the rear shock. The reviewers glossed over that, but that is why they didn't have one in the group test.

    • @chavenger
      @chavenger 8 лет назад

      trolling today John? the c14 doesn't "feel" faster because of 3 mph in top speed. it "is" faster because my buddy and i have raced more than ten times, the fj is not as fast as the c14. There arent any reviews on the c14 for 2015-16. Kawi fixed the issues that these guys said were a problem. I "personally" think if you want a touring bike that still gives you the sport bike smile buy the kawi!

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      charles mccarty Agreed. The C-14 IS faster than an FJR, just not THAT much faster. The RAM air, while not adding much to the top speed, does make it appreciably quicker.
      Remember, these numbers are not anecdotal. They were generated by professional riders working for a magazine that carries no advertising.

  • @curtdaniels2759
    @curtdaniels2759 7 лет назад +12

    I have ridden the Bmw 1600 Gt and GTL, and Yamaha 1300 a + es models and the Kawasaki Concours extensively. First the BMW 1600 has a fantastic engine that is very smooth, but there throttle response takes getting used to and the radio and wind protection I would have rate as low. Neither give great satisfaction and leave you wanting more. If the name does something for you then go with BMW. Ok now the Yamaha, which has a really linear and strong acceleration which feels more like gearing than horsepower. The older models (ie. 2013) have really bad seats, no really bad seats, you add in cramped knees for anyone taller than 5' 9" and find yourself fatigued much more than any of the others. Newer Yamaha ES model has a nice electronic ride adjustment on the fly but it feels really vague at best and the seat is better, however the body molding feels cheap and pasted on. Kawasaki feels a bit heavier so you can not flick this bike back and forth as fast as the Yamaha but it does feel more stable than the others. Bmw will dip into the corner faster but it feels like it will fall over unless you right the bike at the end of a corner. The yamaha feels jittery on bumps or any curve that is not perfectly smooth. I would say if long range riding is your thing then Yamaha is the last pick. If cornering is your thing then Kawasaki is the last pick unless you change the back tire (skinny 55 series) which many do, then it becomes a tie for 1st. Kawasaki is about $2000 to $12000 cheaper than the other bikes, which leaves you enough money left over to buy one of the best suspensions system on the market, that will allow you to smoke all the other bikes. I wish I could say more about the Triumph but I have not spent enough time on this machine, but it feels under-powered to me.

    • @mdro221
      @mdro221 5 лет назад +1

      So are you saying kawasaki best for long rides

    • @donkramer2579
      @donkramer2579 5 лет назад +2

      FJR1300 Wins it!

  • @chuckkirkpatrick6712
    @chuckkirkpatrick6712 3 месяца назад

    Just bought a 2014 Trophy from a Texas dealer for $7950 and only 8,000 miles on it. Did I get a good deal?

  • @KawaRider88
    @KawaRider88 6 лет назад +5

    They need to review these bikes with out their badges.

    • @adammfharris
      @adammfharris 3 года назад +1

      Exactly. It seems like every shootout is a BMW commercial

  • @cs2930
    @cs2930 7 лет назад

    I have had the Kawasaki concours 2015 and i just purchased a BMW K 1600 GTL. What a significant difference in handling and options I would spend a little more and get the BMW

    • @donkramer2579
      @donkramer2579 5 лет назад

      After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
      Bring My Wallet
      Top speed is a joke too!

  • @sajeevkamalasanan3665
    @sajeevkamalasanan3665 11 месяцев назад

    Cool bikes. I'm getting my 2023 FJR1300ES soon.

  • @michaelovitch
    @michaelovitch 10 лет назад +13

    Who needs am fm radio and stupid things like that ?
    it's way too complex and expensive.
    They should keep selling bikes,not cars without roof.

  • @MattMirabile
    @MattMirabile 10 лет назад +2

    Thanks guys. Always some of the best shoot-outs and reviews. I envy and appreciate your work!

  • @renegadebiker24
    @renegadebiker24 10 лет назад +2

    I only wish you all would do a shootout on the 2014 Honda CTX 1300. Are you afraid of doing a shootout with the 2014 Honda CTX 1300, Motorcycle.com?

    • @barackblows1942
      @barackblows1942 8 лет назад

      The CTX1300 was discontinued after only one model year. I wonder why?

    • @renegadebiker24
      @renegadebiker24 8 лет назад

      +Barack Blows I think that sucks, but I think it was because of the poor marketing, and the price was too high at the time. However, I think that it was not given a good review by people who, like these people, underestimated it.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +1

      The detuned (about 30%) engine didn't help.

    • @renegadebiker24
      @renegadebiker24 8 лет назад

      John Casteel How is it detuned? How do you know this? Show me some facts that can be verified?

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      Compare the engine specs for both the ST1300 and the CTX1300. The CTX develops about 30% less horspower at a lower rpm.
      A few minutes with google will show you.

  • @SJCB27
    @SJCB27 9 лет назад +1

    Now I love this channel but come on guys; these behemoths are not "Sports Tourers". Sports Tourers have lower bars and the pegs further back as in VFR800, Z1000SX, K1300S... Or, in my case S1000RR.
    And the luggage is called panniers, not hard sidebags!

  • @relcse
    @relcse Месяц назад

    Great vid good job but I was missing the ST 1300 Pan European

  • @MrPmailloux1
    @MrPmailloux1 7 лет назад +1

    Kawasaki is awesome, I feel the need to tighten the Kawi to slow the steering, the brakes are no big deal

  • @toddjacobs5660
    @toddjacobs5660 4 года назад +1

    All are great bikes, im on my 2nd Concours, they are durable and comfortable, i ran my first one hard, put 70,000 on it & still ran good...not too awful expensive either, obviously they still dont have factory cruise control on them, but in all honesty, i very seldom ever felt the need to use cruise, but each to their own i suppose, they are still worth having, very fun bikes...

    • @Joewilliecleveland
      @Joewilliecleveland 3 года назад

      I would be all over a Connie if it only had cruise. I've had an k1200LT and a R12RT but I really long for that 1400. But from this comparo, I'm leaning to the Trophy. Had an ST1050 Sprint a few years back and it was an amazing and unique machine. That one was way more sport than touring though.

  • @Petesmotoadventure
    @Petesmotoadventure 10 лет назад +2

    As a second bike I'd get the FJR. Fun bike price is great for what you get. The triumph is still to new for me, and the BMW is way to pricy. Let's not forget consumer reports gave BMW a worse rating than Harley for reliability. The concours just doesn't look good to me. The bags seem like an after thought and don't flow with the bike.

    • @bramvandermey8779
      @bramvandermey8779 5 лет назад

      FJR angles are too tight for my frame, VFR1200X much more comfortable for long rides.

  • @zerep11
    @zerep11 3 года назад

    All superb motorcycles. However, about having to use an extra step to manually lock or unlock the bags? *"Oh Wah!"*

  • @dylancastle3841
    @dylancastle3841 10 лет назад +13

    The fjr is an awesome bike

    • @NZsarge1
      @NZsarge1 10 лет назад

      I like the look of the FJR myself, what is it that you like about it?

    • @dylancastle3841
      @dylancastle3841 10 лет назад +1

      NZsarge1 my dad has a 2014 one and im riding dr650 it's just about to keep up with him in the corners

    • @dylancastle3841
      @dylancastle3841 10 лет назад

      Dylan Castle im impossible to keep up with him

  • @NZsarge1
    @NZsarge1 10 лет назад

    I've owned a current model Concours and had my own particular set off issues with it but it did manage to get under my skin just not as much as my current bike (ZX14), if it'd had a slightly less pinched bend to the bars and a better seat I might still own it and going to a 55 series rear tyre makes decent improvement to the way it corners with no real drawbacks. I will end up back on a sport tourer in the future and I'll be looking at the Yamaha very hard and the Concours too. The BMW is nice but the price is beyond rediculous and has a lot of superfluous stuff you just don't need in a country like mine.

  • @ttgnam81
    @ttgnam81 10 лет назад

    I noticed that you guys are riding in Angeles Crest Hwy often. I ride there every weekend. I have 06 FJR and love the road.
    I'm no serious sport rider and never was able to drag foot peg on my FJR yet.
    I let those sport bike riders pass me. My question is can any of these touring bikes keep up with sport bikes with good skills in twisties?

  • @sabo2706
    @sabo2706 8 лет назад +1

    Thank´s from Germany for your good work!

  • @rkaylor5769
    @rkaylor5769 10 лет назад +1

    I own a low mileage '10 Connie and traded in an '11 Busa for it. I did so because I wanted the speed and comfort. The BMW is a great bike, but in terms of value I'd prefer the Connie. That sort of money should only be spent on a car.

  • @gammaflurry4238
    @gammaflurry4238 9 лет назад

    Very nice. I wonder if there is a shootout with the 2015 kawasaki.

  • @kathyarcher6601
    @kathyarcher6601 5 лет назад

    These bikes are all great, the problem is there is no way to really lower them to a under 30 in. seat level for flat foot riders who have short legs. Seat and dog bone lowering won't do it. I'm bummed

  • @oceantri
    @oceantri 8 лет назад +7

    After 2 FJR's I finally went with the K1600GT......Yes, everytime i get on it I get the OMG factor.

    • @tonkool4736
      @tonkool4736 8 лет назад

      +Jesse C Ah see wot you mean... :-). Having had the opportunity to ride the big Beemer here in Holland as well. Alas... I hear some alarming stories about the quality of the electrical systems on this big Beemer... Also, the Dutch police, who ride quite a lot of B.M.W. sixes, complain about the reliabilty when the bike has to run idle for too long; then they would tend to break down due to overheating. Not typical for B.M.W.'s?

    • @oceantri
      @oceantri 7 лет назад

      I have 60,000 miles on it now. Ridden in 115 degree weather haven't had any issues with overheating.....knock on wood.

    • @oceantri
      @oceantri 7 лет назад +1

      The electrical has been solid without any problems as well.

    • @donkramer2579
      @donkramer2579 5 лет назад

      After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
      Bring My Wallet

  • @zzanatos2001
    @zzanatos2001 9 лет назад +2

    I have a 2010 Yamaha FJR 1300 I bought new in 2011, and I love it. I just wish that it had a sixth gear and electronic cruise control.
    My previous bike was a Harley Davidson Sportster. (I live in Colorado where there are a lot of canyons to carve, and the Harley was just too boring.)

    • @TheGabesnell
      @TheGabesnell 9 лет назад

      Zachary Zarko why do you need a 6th gear? you would have to downshift on every hill? depends on where you live though

    • @zzanatos2001
      @zzanatos2001 9 лет назад +2

      On the highway at 75 mph, it seems like it's "wound up" with the revs around 3k. 6th gear would make it nicer on long interstate rides.

    • @choppertj1
      @choppertj1 8 лет назад

      I wanted another gear as well. 👍🏼

    • @IdahoQuadcopter
      @IdahoQuadcopter 8 лет назад +1

      +Zachary Zarko While I don't have many miles on it yet, I do like the 6th gear on my 2016 FJR1300A. I can't tell you how many times I tried shifting into that phantom 6th gear on my 2008.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад +1

      I am always trying to shift into phantom 6th on my GPz750, but I have never tried to find 6th on my 2013 FJR. I have, however, forgotten to shift out of 4th a few times.

  • @shadwox9808
    @shadwox9808 4 года назад

    i still bought a KAWASAKI CONCOURS 14 in 2017 and never regret it. best bike i ever bought. so dont just listen to these experts. Ride these bikes on demo ride and decide for yourself. And by the way dont have issue with the breaking system work just fine with me its very flickable on twisty road so yeah test it before you buy it.

  • @choppertj1
    @choppertj1 8 лет назад

    I had an FJR. I road my cousins concours for a couple days. I just sold my FJR and now shopping for a Connie! The Kawi's an easy almost electric bike to be on. I don't trust a triumph and spent big money on the Harley I have so I don't wanna get a BMW

  • @Noble36
    @Noble36 10 лет назад +6

    Thanks for sharing, but it seemed like a lot of Kawasaki hate was evident.The Concours 14 is an excellent bike! You guys didn't seem to give it a fair shot. But again, those were your opinions. Thanks!

    • @rascalman3588
      @rascalman3588 10 лет назад

      So right Nob, they are doing the same thing to Kawasaki that they did to Honda with the ST1300. They biotched about the lack of this and that on the ST a couple of years back when in fact, in their own admission, they would choose the ST over all the others if it only had _____ &________. Now they are picking on Kawasaki.
      Trust me, you ride an ST or a Connie and you would throw rocks at the FJR. The BMW is too expensive at purchase and waaaay to expensive to maintain. The Triumph is sweet though.

    • @Noble36
      @Noble36 10 лет назад

      Exactly!

    • @Algarin01
      @Algarin01 9 лет назад

      I agree, to much hate for Kawasaki, they must be on BMW payroll

    • @holdencaulfied7492
      @holdencaulfied7492 7 лет назад

      Hey guys, hate to break up the C14 lovefest (I do think the bike is cool, it's a giant ninja!) in both reviews they said it handled the worst. In the first video, they said it felt the heaviest.

    • @kennethadkins953
      @kennethadkins953 6 лет назад

      I love the Kawasaki concourse beautiful bike powerful and reasonably priced

  • @debelt
    @debelt 10 лет назад

    Pretty sure the top case on the Triumph is sold as an accessory, not standard equipment.

    • @NikkoDaniels
      @NikkoDaniels 10 лет назад

      D Ebelt is right; it's $819 extra for the top case with the required lid cover kit and sliding carriage base.

  •  4 года назад +2

    Fjr for me, the sportiest of all.

    •  2 года назад

      The sportiest is the Concours, by far, I had both.

  • @juzizhar
    @juzizhar 8 лет назад +2

    awesome detailed review guys!

  • @Tiesemans_one_in_ten
    @Tiesemans_one_in_ten 4 года назад +1

    Still loving my 2000 Honda ST1100aY .. ;-)

  • @twiztedmexikan
    @twiztedmexikan 10 лет назад

    Im 6"1 390 im new to riding motorcycle what would be the best touring bike to start with I seen the honda vfr800

  • @bebonote
    @bebonote 10 лет назад +1

    Thank You Very Nice Review ...

  • @beecoo66
    @beecoo66 7 лет назад

    What happened to the Honda ST 1100?

  • @Smaug1
    @Smaug1 6 лет назад +3

    Great shoot-out. I'd like to see motorcycle.com do more sport-touring features and less about all the damned sportbikes and cruisers already. Instead of going to those bikes because they're the most popular, how about educating people that sport-tourers can be like sportbikes without the pain? (esp. for the majority of us who can't/won't ride that hard on public streets and who don't do track days or racing)

  • @robk568
    @robk568 3 года назад

    Does anyone have a comment about the speed wobble on the ST which is common for ST1300

  • @MattMirabile
    @MattMirabile 10 лет назад +1

    I was looking forward to the new Trophy coming to market and was so disappointed by the looks. It looks like a giant scooter from the front! Bulbous! And you forgot to mention how dam fast the Connie is. I own a Stratoliner and considered the FJ but it looked like the same bike of 15 years ago until the most recent update in 2014. And even that isn't to much of a change. If you test the BMW RT do so against the 2014 Guzzi Norge, which should be included in the shoot out.

    • @KelvinSmoke
      @KelvinSmoke 10 лет назад

      completely agree about the Trophy...why hasnt triumph made a 1050 Daytona, or luggage worth a crap for the SpeedTriple? Its like Triumph isnt paying attention to customers anymore

    • @DylanHuberify
      @DylanHuberify 10 лет назад

      I completely with the way it looks, it looks really out dated. I think it is the most bike for your money, it is well equipped and the has the sweet triple.

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      "It looks like a giant scooter from the front! Bulbous!"
      That "bulbous" (great description btw) look gives you great wind and weather protection.

  • @dumptrump3788
    @dumptrump3788 2 года назад

    Regardless of price, I'd say
    1: FJR1300
    2: Trophy
    3: K1600GT
    4: Concours....
    ....but factoring in the price.
    1: FJR1300
    2: Trophy
    3:
    4: Concours/K1600GT
    And don't forget how much that BMW is going to hurt when it comes to servicing.

  • @CXACXA
    @CXACXA Год назад

    Concours $16,200, FJR $16,900, Triumph $19,000, BMW $26,200, the Triumph and BMW are at a different level. They are more touring than sport touring. I have friends with bmw that ever time we talk about the motorcycle they have had to do preventative maintenance. I have 2008 concours and never had to to any maintenance other than oil changes, air filters, shaft drive oil, and a valve check and there was no adjustment needed. The bike has now 65,000km (2021). I just purchase a new 2022 last year of the concours production. vs FJR which would be $5000 more for things that I really don’t need. (Electronic suspension, and cruise control). Nice things to have but for me did not justify the $5000 difference. And now, I have 2x concours. The first gen of the 1400 and the last gen. I love these motorcycles!

    • @geraldf1463
      @geraldf1463 Год назад

      I bought my Concours new in 2009, I've rode it all over the U.S. I haven't had any mechanical issues with it, the stock seat is crap. It pushes you into the tank, get a decent aftermarket seat if you're planning on long rides. The bike is top heavy with a full tank of gas, i really enjoy riding it.

  • @reynaldorivera7641
    @reynaldorivera7641 5 лет назад

    I like the concourse and fjr the best. BMW doesn’t look to shabby either. I almost bought a used one for 1000$ bc it needed something minor and owner didn’t know that. But I’m not that type of guy to do that

  • @numberxx7
    @numberxx7 10 лет назад +1

    Why is nobody mentioning mileage? I imagine the BMW sucks gas with it's six cylinders?!?

    • @oceantri
      @oceantri 7 лет назад +1

      numberxx7 my K1600gt averages 42 mpg with fun factor added in.

    • @numberxx7
      @numberxx7 7 лет назад

      Thank you... That is surprising - with 1600cc and "fun factor" and you get so much. My old 1000 cc bike barely got 38-39 with NO fun factor... cheers..

    • @curtdaniels2759
      @curtdaniels2759 7 лет назад

      Yes, that is true if you keep your speed low, like 55 mph low. Increase your speed and the gas mileage falls off faster than all the others.

    • @oceantri
      @oceantri 7 лет назад

      Mileage is not bad and comparable to the FJR. It's a very efficient 6 cylinder. I drove them both aggressively and still got 40mpg average.

  • @Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy
    @Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy 8 лет назад +1

    If Kawasaki fixed the steering, brakes and added cruise it would be a no brainer. As they sit now, I think the Yamaha would be my choice.

    • @Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy
      @Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy 8 лет назад

      +GAML I'm sure it's a great bike, but price puts it out of my range. I've seen some real low prices on FJR1300's in the Winter up North here.

    • @donkramer2579
      @donkramer2579 5 лет назад

      @Eagle1 After the warranty is up BMW stands for.....
      Bring My Wallet
      Top speed is a joke too!

  • @angelocardoc
    @angelocardoc 10 лет назад +4

    BMW engine sounds awesome

  • @garlandholland
    @garlandholland 9 лет назад

    I have a C14 no problem here but remember BMW is more pricey and high priced maintenance. The FJ doesn't get the best fuel mileage if you are doing long distance riding. I average close to 45mpg on the highway doing at least 75mph.

  • @Bando909
    @Bando909 5 лет назад

    What these guys don't understand is you can buy a new or practically new Concours 14 between $7,500 and $11,500 USD. Most of the Concour's I've found have less than 5,000 miles on them, so just barely broken in. You really can't say that about the other 3, FJR being the closest but I still find them to be more expensive overall. I demoed the FJR last year I liked the bike but I want to give the Concours a fair test before buying. What I've so far been reading it seems the Concours has a little more character than the FJR. I like more character, I'm not looking to ride 200+ miles in a day but I would like something for the off chance I go a little more distance than I normally do. Exhaust and ecu flash and it seems the Concours really opens up and for my set up it would be under $1,000 for everything and I honestly think thats fair to have a fast two wheeled land yacht. We'll see, I have 2 Kawasaki's in the stable so they already got my vote.

  • @turbo311
    @turbo311 7 лет назад

    Too bad the R1200RT missed out on this test, it still more or less defines the class, and that is why the Trophy is such an obvious, uh, tribute to the RT. Sadly, the Trophy SE is plagued with reliability issues and it's electronics are second class compared to BMW. The Trophy SE is awesome to ride but I don't trust it enough to own one, and I've had two Triumphs and loved them. The FJR1300 gets my vote for withstanding the test of time being proven bombproof, a very capable tourer, and fun to ride. It's the one I'm going to buy.

  • @roszainclaassen9746
    @roszainclaassen9746 8 лет назад

    I would imagine the "connie" referred to in all these comments are AKA Kawasaki GTR1400 here in South Africa? comes out with the same power plant as the Kawasaki ZX14?

    • @samrowland5838
      @samrowland5838 8 лет назад

      +Roszain Claassen yes the "Connie" refers to the C-14 Concours as it's called here in the U.S., the GTR designation is used in the rest of the world, and yes same engine design but "detuned" slightly

    • @C_R_O_M________
      @C_R_O_M________ 7 лет назад

      "Slightly" means 30hp less at the rear wheel + 40 more kilos of weight which basically translates to a very different bike. The ZZR is ridiculously fast. I haven't ridden the GTR yet but I suspect that they have focused more on spreading the torque curve over the ZZR for touring purposes (even though my 2008 ZZR was stellar across all rev range in terms of torque). We shall see, I'm picking up a GTR this coming Wednesday.

  • @Tousanx
    @Tousanx 9 лет назад +7

    Great comparison guys. Very informative. After the review I'd go with the k1600gt

    • @johnc8910
      @johnc8910 8 лет назад

      The question is: "When are you going to spent YOUR money on a K1600?"

  • @SLFYSH
    @SLFYSH 10 лет назад +3

    Informative and useful information. Good vid.

  • @grandpa7278
    @grandpa7278 2 года назад

    I've watched this many times due to myself owning a C14, perfect bike for me.
    Funny part, each time watching, I get mad at their dissing my bike!

  • @theklrdudeoo9173
    @theklrdudeoo9173 9 лет назад +1

    no goldwing ?

    • @rksmith5273
      @rksmith5273 9 лет назад +1

      +theklrdude oo The Goldwing is not considered a SPORT touring bike.

    • @theklrdudeoo9173
      @theklrdudeoo9173 9 лет назад +1

      it shure is a heavyweight though !

  • @linupix
    @linupix 10 лет назад

    What about the Honda VFR1200?

    • @Jashue
      @Jashue 7 лет назад

      I have one of those. The big VFR completely defies categorization. There is no way a person can call it a Sport Tourer. Its gas tank is too small. It doesn't come standard with bags or a trunk. It doesn't have cruise control. It doesn't come with heated grips (though it is an option). It has too basic electronic gadgety.
      What it DOES have is what I think is the greatest engine Honda has ever developed. An unbelievably broad powerband with torque wherever you need it. With the Guhl reflash it is far better yet. So is it a sport bike? Well, no. The Connie and FJR can't hold a candle to it performance wise. It'll run with liter bikes, but with its heft it will never compete with them in the twisties. I will NEVER get rid of my VFR, but even after having said that I think that Honda kind of blew it. It is SO GOOD in some ways, but those strengths were completely lost with most people.

  • @adammfharris
    @adammfharris 4 года назад +3

    Oh look, another BMW commercial!!

  • @annubissl
    @annubissl 10 лет назад +1

    sad to say the triumph seems to be the Harley davidson of the group. cheap jab i know. but i've doen my share of research into this bike and the forums are abound with owners who have had no end of problems with bike. They all swear when it runs, it rides like a dream. but a lot of downtimes sorting out engine issues and fork seal leaks.

  • @MusicMath123
    @MusicMath123 4 года назад +1

    hmmm. geez YT... I search for Honda ST 1300 Paneuropean