The Myths & Dangers Of Using Haversacks Traditional Minimalist Campcraft Wilderness Camping

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @hiddenwoodsmen
    @hiddenwoodsmen 2 года назад +11

    Great Advice! 🌲🌲🌲

  • @YTusercomment
    @YTusercomment Год назад +17

    A Haversack was never meant to be a substitute for a Day Pack, outfitting it with an extensive "Kit."
    In its origins, for military use, it may have held the soldier's food rations for the day, or some extra ammunition.
    In more recent times, it is a lighter weight, minimalist bag meant to be used as an easily carried container bag for foraging around your campsite for herbs, medicinal plants, tinder, etc. It should compliment a Day Pack or Expedition Pack...not serve as one.

  • @urbanmountainpakks
    @urbanmountainpakks 11 месяцев назад +3

    That is so true, haversacks are to complement your setup, not become your main stuff sack, now if going out on a scout then a haversack could be a great choice to keep things light, but like most people believe "if it fits, it goes" so you should keep your haversack small or keep it to just the essentials. I myself make a haversack with a long enough strap for that "just in case I overload" or I cant live with out this in my sack scenario, the strap is 70" long so the haversack can be used as a backpack for those just in case (heavy loads) moments.

  • @Family-Guardian
    @Family-Guardian 10 месяцев назад +2

    Finally! A dose of realism and sanity. Thanks!

  • @lesstraveledpath
    @lesstraveledpath Год назад +8

    The haversack was originally for food & cook gear, with some crossover with a possibles pouch. The haversack was used in conjunction with a bedroll as a wild camping sleep & shelter system (ish).

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад

      Thanks so much for visiting my channel, I appreciate you very much. I agree the haver is definitely support gear:

    • @BUZZKILLJRJR
      @BUZZKILLJRJR Год назад

      Exactly takes more of the weight off your back and your minimum items that you won't access easily or in your have a sack purses your big stuff in the big bag or bigger bag but still can have less weight and gear to a certain degree. Great video

    • @sosteve9113
      @sosteve9113 Год назад

      I personallylike a small backpack then a haversack.
      I have one from ww2 using it regularly,but it seems always in my way while I go for a small hike.

  • @ostekuste3646
    @ostekuste3646 Год назад +4

    For the three milder seasons in the south I can do a weekend with a haversack, a canteen, and a bedroll sling. I carry a small firekit with redundancies that fit in a zippered pocket in the haversack, a flat folding wood stove, a Silky Pocketboy saw, small boo boo kit, a usgi poncho for a shelter setup, and a small hatchet in the bedroll. This leaves plenty of room in my haversack for food for two to three days. I don’t need a big bulky tarp or a big ax, fuel for cooking is in the woods, and I enjoy the minimalist approach. Your comfort and skill level may vary, however.

  • @gearnmore91
    @gearnmore91 2 года назад +13

    I definitely subscribe to the idea that overkill is underrated if it needs 4 screws put 6 but that is why I haven’t really given the haversack much thought I carry lots of gear when I hit the woods. Very good points made and very sensible way to look at it.

  • @billlyell8322
    @billlyell8322 Год назад +5

    Personally I use a component system I use. Water bottle bag, cookset bag, lavvu, hammock bag, tarp bag, day trip pack(scout) and a winter wool bedroll pack. I vary the assembly depending on my outing and the weather. I do have a haversack but only use it for foraging and munchies.

  • @brianschroeder6106
    @brianschroeder6106 2 года назад +13

    the haversack was meant to carry a soldiers rations. Not for carrying everything you needed while on campaign. Food and cooking equipment only.

  • @KnifeCrazzzzy
    @KnifeCrazzzzy 2 года назад +3

    I love how you address issues no one else seems to be! 🙌🏻

  • @BUZZKILLJRJR
    @BUZZKILLJRJR Год назад +3

    I was skeptical about your video at first, until you said incorporate a small back pack for more then a day or two. once you set up camp you can rome around with your haversack and have an amazing weekend. Backpack doesn't even have to weigh very much at all just your tent or tarp, ground mat/browse bed, bivey or blanket so on you get the idea and food/water.

  • @cindyzollner1909
    @cindyzollner1909 2 года назад +2

    I love anything that helps keep me hands free while out hiking ...love the belting idea thanks Dutch💥💥🌿🐾

  • @kamaeq
    @kamaeq Год назад +2

    A funny thing happened on the way to using my shoulder carried bag...
    So, there is my old Army map case that is much smaller in volume than most haversacks,
    My heavy canvas "art bag/desk" that has a bunch more volume and more like many popular haversacks in size,
    My messenger bag briefcase bag that rivals small backpacks in volume ,
    Etc.
    These could all be worn as "haversacks" (along with other bags lying around).
    Love the video.

  • @judo77422
    @judo77422 Год назад +2

    I'm a hunter and I had a 45-year-old hunting bag that looks like these haversacks. I didn't know you called them haversacks until recently. 10 squirrels and a few bottles of water is all that my hunting bag would hold and not have the flap sticking out at 90 deg. angle. I'm not suggesting the haversack is the same as my hunting bag. It sure looks the same from everyone's you tube videos. My hunting bag was made of canvas. It served me well over the years. I'm not sure where it was made. Off your subject completely. Keep up the videos.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад

      Thanks for coming by and spending time here I appreciate it

    • @johnnyquest5727
      @johnnyquest5727 Месяц назад

      I've been tracing the history of the modern haversack fad, and I wanted to add a couple of observations. The Mountain Man carried a Shooting Bag AND a "possibles bag." The Hunter traditionally carried a Hunting Bag and a "possibles bag." The Hunting Bag carried small game and any of the tools necessary to operate the rifle (bullets, patches, etc). Powder would be carried on a third sling. If I was a Hollywood prop guy this is how I would outfit my actors. HOWEVER . . . in real life, the men used whatever they had. One larger bag could be for shooting implements, possibles and dead squirrels. It was a highly individualized thing. So, I do think your shooting bag could easily be your haversack. Without sounding too Woke . . . you can do whatever you want 🙂 and be right in the groove, historically.

  • @tumbleweed6658
    @tumbleweed6658 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for your common sense video you really nailed it. I’ve really gotten away from the survival word if your camping trip becomes survival all I have done has failed. Stay safe and happy holidays.

  • @MrGratefulEd
    @MrGratefulEd Год назад +1

    I much prefer this content to your smarmy expose videos. Keep up the good work.

  • @denofearthundertheeverlast5138
    @denofearthundertheeverlast5138 День назад

    Thats some nice pieces of kit you got there

  • @nookercacousticchannel8271
    @nookercacousticchannel8271 2 года назад +2

    Great haversack. Thankyou for clip.

  • @GoonieBushcraft
    @GoonieBushcraft 2 года назад +2

    Excellent video buddy, great info. I've been putting together a haversack kit myself, for smaller day trips to the woods, Thanks for sharing, Cheers mate, Jay

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  2 года назад +1

      Thank you! I appreciate you stopping by, and liking the video!!

  • @turtlewolfpack6061
    @turtlewolfpack6061 Год назад +1

    I have come full circle on "haversacks," for many years I had a dedicated kit that I carried with me almost every day. I don't any more but I still love them.
    The shoulder bag for hundreds of years was the soldiers food/mess kit bag and people have forgotten with the current fad promoted by pseudo experts of "bushcraft."
    I really need to dust off my old traditional kit and make time to hit the woods before the world freezes around me.
    It is pretty sad that I can walk out of my house and be in the woods in about five minutes and I haven't gone once this year.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад +1

      I appreciate your time my friend and the visit, I myself can literally do the same and at time struggle to get out there especially in the snake season most of my active time especially overnight is winter ❄️

    • @turtlewolfpack6061
      @turtlewolfpack6061 Год назад

      @@traditionalcampcraft the only snakes we have here are garter/ribbon snakes. Neat little fellows that avoid people for the most part.

  • @quercus4730
    @quercus4730 2 года назад +3

    Good advice. If your going minimal be sure to be within easy walking distance of a water source. The first explores had to follow river courses unless they used pack animals, even then they had to make it to another water source before they ran out.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  2 года назад

      thanks do much for coming by i appreciate you! and yes having a water source is very import indeed.

  • @RAYANDERS-w4t
    @RAYANDERS-w4t 4 месяца назад

    THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @canadafree2087
    @canadafree2087 Год назад +1

    Great points! I see a haversack as 1. a bag to hold day hike gear, 2. a bag for hiking away from a prepared camp. I like the gas mask/bread bag military style as it allows more organization and many have a compartment for a canteen (formerly holding mask filters). The true flat envelope style haversack will have you lifting gear out to get what you need that has fallen to the bottom.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад +1

      I appreciate you taking time to watch my content and comment I appreciate you very much

    • @canadafree2087
      @canadafree2087 Год назад

      @@traditionalcampcraft Up date since this popped up in my urban survival feed for some reason. Our surplus store just got in a number of those RCMP style police belts in black, had all the rings and the shoulder strap.

  • @antobike68
    @antobike68 Год назад

    Nice content! A truly balanced point of view on this type of backpack...; originally the haversack was created to carry food and light materials that needed to be close at hand, not everything you need for an outing in nature. I understand the desire for minimalism, but not the excess...

  • @stevenladrig9592
    @stevenladrig9592 Год назад +1

    I have a haversack with a lightweight Snapchat I use it all the time I've got more stuff that I really need in it but I use it

  • @bushcampcrafter2165
    @bushcampcrafter2165 Год назад +1

    Very informative.

  • @gud2go50
    @gud2go50 2 года назад +7

    A haversack is for convenience only not a survival pack. To me a haversack should be used with your day or larger pack as a handy item for foraging around the area your camping in.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  2 года назад +1

      i appreciate you coming in and watching means a lot to me! and those are definitely great things to use our haversacks for!

  • @RoryMatchett
    @RoryMatchett 11 месяцев назад

    Excellent advice given in this video.

  • @jamesmcgee2447
    @jamesmcgee2447 3 месяца назад

    Would you provide more information on where to buy one of those leather belts ? Many thanks for your video.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  3 месяца назад

      eBay and Amazon are best chances thanks so much for watching

  • @treksntarps
    @treksntarps Год назад +1

    Excellent advice . Thank you 👍🏕

  • @wsgeo
    @wsgeo Год назад

    Really, the most important thing to consider is your surrounding environment and conditions, In the southwest, for example, you're basicly in a desert or very arid environment. There have been hikers and off-roaders who have gotten lost and died because they didn't have enough water. Even in urban environments, the temperatures can often get over 110 degrees, and walking(even short distances)in those conditions exposes you to heat stroke.
    So, know your environment and know your personal limitations. Everything else is a blessing.

  • @FindingUser
    @FindingUser Год назад +2

    The only person who was really able to do it was John Muir. He would have only some hard bread and a few other things in his satchel. For sleep, he said he would burrow his body into piles of leaves for the night, bugs be dammed! But he was a tough, Scottish bastard who loved nature..

  • @dficertifiedfirearmstraini5234
    @dficertifiedfirearmstraini5234 2 года назад +1

    Excellent dissertation. Being a hat guy, I love yours. May I ask the make and model? Thank you.

  • @moorshound3243
    @moorshound3243 2 года назад +1

    Good advice

  • @robertdodd9623
    @robertdodd9623 Год назад +2

    Great for day hikes and foraging, but doesn't compare to modern day backpacks. The haversack was generally an oat bag/poke that was easily accessible. Our legendary heroes of yesterday would have used packs If available/affordable.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching my content and leaving a great comment I appreciate you very much, best regards Dutch

  • @taterbug70
    @taterbug70 3 месяца назад

    Ive done the haversack. It works in the summer. Or a very short range activity or supplies destination. Its not for escaping the state or country. A pack and a bedroll worked best and drew very little attention.

  • @caminodantoo
    @caminodantoo Год назад

    Well, what you say maybe interesting to some, however, I tend to follow the 37small pack theory, sawing out the gas cape for a 58 pattern poncho. My thinking is that if it does me for 24hours, then it will do me for 48…..

  • @GratefulTrekker
    @GratefulTrekker 2 года назад +1

    Cool video I see you adapted the intro style we discussed looks good my brother

  • @___Tiger___
    @___Tiger___ Год назад

    Trés bon conseil, merci 😉😉😉

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад +1

      Ty my friend I appreciate you!

    • @___Tiger___
      @___Tiger___ Год назад

      ​@@traditionalcampcraftje vous apprécie aussi 😊 dommage que vos vidéos ne sont pas toutes traduites, je me serais abonné, bisou de France 😘👋

  • @gud2go50
    @gud2go50 2 года назад +2

    For me, I am a diabetic, so I carry a haversack for basic items like, some chow, water bottle, water purification, fire starting, medicine etc... just in case I need them.

  • @johnnyquest5727
    @johnnyquest5727 Месяц назад

    Things behind the scenes that you're not seeing . . . yes like 9 out of 10 times the person pushing the haversack not only sells them but sells all the goodies that he shows going inside them. When you consider that quite a few of these sellers have been caught lying about their qualifications . . . or have been caught reversing their original recommendation once their relationship to some survival school was over . . .you have to start asking yourself: Is purchasing this gear in my best interest?
    The answer is usually no. They're selling you a fantasy and the haversack has been at the center of it since Season 2 of Dual Survivor ended. Telling someone to go in the woods with an 18 oz water container (that you've just designed and are now selling) and a poncho (which you're now reselling for profit) should be considered Hiking Malpractice.
    Using a leather belt with pouches? Absolutely. It's a much better way to carry stuff because your hip bones are taking the weight instead of the trapezius and neck muscles. I use a poor man's belt: the USGI Pistol Belt. That's a good way to test out the idea of belt-carry before investing in leather.
    But best of all are one of the greatest human inventions ever: POCKETS! Pockets have only been with us since the 17th Century. Before that people used . . . yep . . . belt bags and small sacks. I suspect that the Mountain Man's "possibles bag" was probably a solution to the problem that the Mountain Men's homemade buckskin clothing didn't have any pockets. But we do. Instead of investing in a haversack, consider some cargo shorts/pants with a sturdy belt with a knife and one or more small pouches for things that don't fit into a pocket. Add a canteen with ways to disinfect water and add a rolled-up blanket and shelter and NOW you're an actual outdoorsman prepared for a night outdoors.
    Our ancestors nailed this. When the soldiers of F Company, 21st Virginia Regiment (about 70-100 men) were called to active duty in 1861, they had a wagon train following them. The wagon train had all the gear they thought they couldn't live without. A year later, the animals were in Confederate service (or had been eaten) and the men of F Company carried a blanket roll, a food haversack, a canteen and a leather belt with pouches.
    But . . . if looking like a Civil War soldier isn't your thing, go to a store and buy a cheap backpack. I just saw one in Chinamart that's 25 liters . . . for $10. Backpack + pockets are an unbeatable combination. Add a belt with pouches and you're really set for just about anything. What's more . . . you can actually sprint, run, climb a tree or climb a mountain with a backpack and a gear belt. Try running from a bear with a haversack on. 🙂

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Месяц назад

      Outstanding write up! I appreciate you and your time very much and hope to see you back here on my channel soon.
      Best regards
      Dutch

  • @Texo_McKevo
    @Texo_McKevo Год назад +1

    I love your two feathers it looks like a you have horns lol

  • @bellakaldera3305
    @bellakaldera3305 2 года назад +4

    You never mention the most important thing to put in a haversack...EXTRA DRY SOCKS!

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for coming by i appreciate you, and extra socks are defiantly good to have around

    • @moorshound3243
      @moorshound3243 2 года назад +1

      Dry socks whiskey & cigars never seem to get a mention but they are essential.

    • @philipselman2564
      @philipselman2564 Год назад

      The socks should be in the back pack lol

  • @jfilm7466
    @jfilm7466 Год назад

    A haversack is just a tool in my kit and I use the right tool for the right job. I don't like my EDC stuff in backpacks when I travel through town and the haversack is easier to protect from thieves it also draws less attention.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад

      Great points! Thanks for sharing your time here on my channel I appreciate you

  • @pattio5511
    @pattio5511 3 месяца назад

    My comment stopped so I said I have learned a lot but the screen shot is too small and dark!! Please make them larger and brighter!! 😊

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  3 месяца назад

      Thank you so much for watching I appreciate you! I will definitely keep that in mind for the future! Thanks again for the visit

  • @janhbhugo5085
    @janhbhugo5085 Год назад

    Where does one get those belts and slings ?

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  Год назад

      The belt I used here is a OHI, I make custom belts by hand if you are interested you can reach me through Instagram. There are many many companies making the slings a Google search for canvas ax or saw sling will pull up some options. Thanks for coming by my channel I appreciate you best regards Dutch

    • @scottcatchot1598
      @scottcatchot1598 6 месяцев назад

      i had always thought the haversack was for day hike, and in addition to your pack for overnight.. I wamnt to go out and smooth it, not rough it. Old scout motto, be prepared. thanks for your video

  • @aaronjones6680
    @aaronjones6680 2 года назад +4

    For your skill and comfort level a haversack kit might not be the best choice. I do weekend winter camps (temps usually ranging from 0-25 degrees Fahrenheit) using a haversack (or smaller kits) in total comfort. A haversack kit actually feels like luxury camping compared to some minimal outings I do. I only started doing this after many years of winter camping using more gear carried either in a backpack or a sled. I started eliminating the things I wasn't using and found I don't need much gear to camp comfortably. I definitely don't suggest or encourage anyone to attempt minimal trips beyond their skill level. If you have the proper gear and skill/knowledge, there's nothing wrong with using a haversack or other minimal kit.

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  2 года назад +1

      I go over minimal kits lots on this channel and hit on haversacks a bunch to and i absolutely feel that skill level has a huge role when putting together any kind of kit. Everyones comfort levels are different there are many variables that need to be addressed when looking at using haversacks weather conditions being one of many. Thanks for coming by

    • @diesel5355
      @diesel5355 Год назад

      Whats your minimalist winter sleeping system?

  • @MrDkgio
    @MrDkgio 4 месяца назад

    Sounds like you make every trip a camping trip

    • @traditionalcampcraft
      @traditionalcampcraft  4 месяца назад

      Well umm 🤔 what is it that I’m supposed to be doing? Chasing zombies using military gear and call it survivalism? I do appreciate you stopping by God Bless

  • @evanhawk2574
    @evanhawk2574 2 года назад +1

    I can.ake the belt/pouches,& most if not all accruments,for reasonable amount of cash,& or trades. Just saying.look me up if ya wanna.

  • @kurtsteiner8384
    @kurtsteiner8384 8 месяцев назад

    Most take far to much kit. Ditch atleast half of it may help

  • @backwoodstrails
    @backwoodstrails 5 месяцев назад

    Support your local chiropractor, carry all your gear in a haversack!

  •  10 месяцев назад

    I rather have a meshok, ... the Russian version of a haversack

  • @adventureswithfrodo2721
    @adventureswithfrodo2721 Год назад +2

    Haver sacks are just a play toy. They suck to carry more the a snack bar. The original bag just carried shooting supplies. No one just set off on their own. 😊