GUYS! My bad...I've clearly got MX-5s on the brain which is why I tried to draw parallels between it and this ALL-wheel drive Porsche in the intro. I still maintain that it's pretty much exactly like the MX-5, though ;)
I get that a Cayman GT4 is likely to be more fun. But saying that a car like the GTS isn't fun just sounds like balls to me. And since when was it a problem for a car to be 'too capable' or 'too good'. Come on man, spoiled-in-line-of-work much? I wish my car was too good!
Matthias Schmitt My MX-5 (Phil) has brainwashed me into thinking that every awesome car MUST be RWD. My bad, guys, I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me and Phil ;)
Alex Kersten weeeeell, I guess I can forgive you this time, but it better not happen again, m8! Keep up the good work, I totaly agree with you about the 911 (although I obviously haven't driven it). It's the same problem as with most other new cars. They're too big, too heavy, and they detach you way to much from the road and the driving experience just for a little bit more comfort
It's all about the shape and the traction...I've driven alot of these cars including Cayman S and pretty much all the 991s including GT3 and Turbo...And the rwd GTS with manual I had for a review this march, was the best of all...True driver's car
Opening line: "This is the Porsche 911 Carrera GTS, it's red, rear wheel drive..." - Erm no it's not it's a Carrera 4 GTS and it's four wheel drive!!! Then at 01:18 says it has "four wheel drive"!!! Also mentions "it's the half way house between the Carrera S and the GT3". With "loads and loads of grip, more grip than the Carrera S" - No shit, it has four wheel drive remember. Too much contradiction, ruins the video. Get your facts right.
I think why you didn't fall in love with it was because of the extra weight and loss of rigidity from being a cabrio and also that its a PDK not a manual. Looking at a C4 GTS manual coupe that's for sale right now. Now all I need is the money!! Also, too much grip can be solved by getting the 2WD GTS. The problem with the GT4 is that the gearing is way too tall for street driving. Plus, its now sold out, its not a 911 (iconic+rear engine), and the 911's rear seats are quite useful for storage/ kids riding in the back.
As an American, I have to say that i absolutely love how every British auto review comes off sounding like an epic romance novel. The passion is unmistakable and unmatched. So thank you.
Your comparison to the GT4 makes no sense at all. Not only is it a limited production car, but it's simply not as usable as a Carrera/S/GTS on a daily basis. The cars have very different purposes. Few would ever cross shop any type of luxurious Carrera with the super hardcore GT4, and that's why Porsche decided to make the GT4 in the first place. If you're going to make a nonsensical claim in the first place (IE Porsche made the 911 better than its predecessor and now it's 'too' good) at least back it up with something halfway decent. Just saying.
Thanks for posting the video. You look like you were having a ball driving the car which begs me to ask why the title? That C4 GTS Cab is not a track car but rather a GT convertible with all wheel drive car and PDK that can be driven on a track as well as for every day driving. The GT4 is a purpose built track weapon that can be driven on the road. The C4 GTS Cab is bigger in every sense than a GT4 and it's also heavier due to the soft top, all wheel drive and PDK. The better comparison would be a manual 911 GTS 2 wheel drive coupe which is lighter, stiffer quicker and better handling than the C4 GTS you drove. Another thing to consider about the C4 GTS cab and the C2 GTS is both can be easily found and should have a lower cost than the GT4. Dealers in the US are charging above list for new and used GT4s due to demand, low production and allocation. Lastly, if you had to pick a daily driver would you really pick the GT4 verses the C4 GTS Cab? That rag top can be driven all year long. It has a back seat that gives you additional storage or a seat for youngsters. It has a better ride for daily commutes and highway trips. You can still take it to the track and put it in sport mode when you have an open road. AND you don't have to worry about grounding your front every time you go up a driveway or hit a speed bump. I am surprised that you didn't just comment on the C4 GTS Cab and compare it to a car in its class like an Aston. The fact that you would compare it to a GT4 is more of a complement than a "Why I Can't Love it" video. I don't believe you understand or appreciate the subtleties of the car you were driving.
German engineering, too good to be good - Alex 2015 I think it feels like driving a Veyron in the city but instead of being too powerful this thing handles too well to get to the limit and isnt engaging enough.
vivalaphill British car engineering used to be as good as German with the pincle of the British car being the E-type Jaguar. In that it was cheap for its performance and it had a hell of a lot of performance.
vivalaphill The 60s was the peak of British Motoring. There are a few niche British cars such as Mclaren that produce cars that can compete with the Germans today. British SUV's are also top notch in terms of performance but reliability has been their issue. There is a lot of British auto engineering that if it was more closely integrated today it would produce cars near to that of the Germans. Once the Germans got it right they never looked back. The British car industry was plagued by politics. The unions/communists more or less destroyed the industry. The reason I am so passionate about it is my father used to work in the British car industry before it was destroyed by political nuclear weapons.
That intro though. So Alex, basically it's wrong for all the right reasons? I'm interested to see how this compares against it's new little brothers the Cayman GTS and GT4
The thing is that a Cayman will always be a Cayman and a 911 will always be a 911. Personally, I feel that the Cayman is for a person that's begging to have a Porsche but can't afford a one that's worth it so he just settles for a lower model. I've driven the Carrera S, Turbo, and Turbo S so there is no way I'll go and drive a Cayman. It's like telling me to go travel on an economy journey after I've experienced the wonders of travelling on First/business class. Again, I'm not degrading people who want to have a Cayman. However, the way I see it is either you get yourself a Porsche that's worth it (911) or either you choose a cheap alternative (Cayman) and I hate cheap but that's just me :)
Well the best thing about both the c4 gts and the caymen gt4 is that they still come in manual , if your looking for real fun and safety at the same time get yourself a manual porsche , i own a 997 c4s and its crazy when i want it to shake its tale and stuck to the road in a drag race ...cant wait to get the c4 gts in manual
I totally agree with his verdict- I've the driven the newest Carrera 4s. It is amazing, but you never feel as if you're out of control- it simply gets boring, even at high speeds!
the thing about the cayman gt4 is that it's a track car and I know of a lot of Porsche owners who like them for their luxury and reliability in comparison to other supercars. it is lighter but with just a little more, you can get enough horsepower to offset that, also the cayman's only competitor in the Porsche family is probably the 911 Carrera with their similar performances. the only way I personally think it's better is because of its supposedly better handling and its simple 6-speed manual which is said by jalopnik "saving the manual".
Alex, and the rest of the team! I have an amazing idea! You should have a week (go for the full fat 7 days) of uploading let's say 3 videos a day.. That's would be awesome! :)
editing: great commentary: great showing the fails just like top gear the only thing thats missing is 2 other guys who are funny to otherwise it would be the replacement even though i miss top gear keep up the good work and alex you are great :)
Seriously, give us this song. I'm subbed to both Car Throttle and Tom Kent, can't find it anywhere on either one of the channels. Fits this video so good.
i understand your comments true the Carrera 4 GTS is like "flying with a safety net ", then I suggest instead if you want the "rush /feel of driving without - you'd be more content with the GTS 'two wheel drive " , in manual ....
I'm sick of people giving four wheel drive credit in cornering. If you're at the cornering limit, off the throttle and barely able to keep it on the track, the amount of wheels added power is applied is irrelevant. In fact having the extra weight up front to support the added front wheel drive negatively effects it. Applying power earlier out of very tight corners I can understand but AWD does not mean better handling directly. Also counter steering out of a corner due to mild or excessive wheelspin is what makes driving at the limit most rewarding.
This has been a common them ever since the 1997 model was released, it doesn't necessarily have the most technology (it has a lot, but it's so well done) but Porsche made the 911s just too damn stable, drive-able, and liquid fast. Compared to a Viper or even a Ferrari the 911 is a better and faster car (depending on the model of course) for 99% of the drivers in the world. I get what old Porsche enthusiasts were and are saying, like Alex is, that they want a car that occasionally scares them or gets squirly, and that's great for the track, and abandoned roads, etc, with someone who KNOWS how to drive and recover. But if you want a car that is going to be fast, smooth, safe ALL the time, no matter how bad the roads are, rain or shine, you can not beat a Porsche as a super fast, livable daily driver. If you want a 911 to go slideways in, get a GT3, GT2, Cayman GT4. Maybe Porsche will put the option to turn the AWD off in some of their top end turbo/turbo S variants (on all models including the Cayenne, Macan), that would be a nice option. Or buy some of the skinniest low grip rear tires you can get and slap em on.
The cayman shares the same engine but makes "only" 385hp, 420Nm While the original engine from the 911 carrera s makes 400hp, 440Nm and the carrera 4 gts you have driven makes 430hp, 440Nm Ps: just a little notice. I don't now the weight but the Cayman is clearly the lightest. The question tho is if it is light enough to take the carrera s or even the 4 gts. In my opinion he is going to be better than the carrera s but that's it. But if you want a Porsche the Cayman gt4 is the one to take because it just has the best price-performance-fun package
My mother just bought an optioned out 991 c4s. Saying the 911 doesn't drive like a Porsche, lol. This review was junk, if you are interested in buying one please disregard this review. This review is targeted at euro econo-box owners.
Alex Kersten Im sorry if i offended you Alex(not my intention, i am a fan of yours and wish you well) but i felt this review was lacking important points. I think your conclusion that your primary fan base would be better off buying a cayman is correct. With the 911 you get more comfort, speed, the 911 badge and shape, AWD (safer in winter), and a more refined interior, my mother is in her 50's now and would appreciate the benefits of the points i listed. Im looking at spending about $100,000 on a car next summer and the best performance for money are tuned 997 turbos or supercharged vetts? +1 for your NA MX5 i auto x mine and its super fun.
Robert Flagg if this review was intended for the econo-box owners as you said, he would say that it's the best car for exactly the same reasons you mentioned (comfort, interior, 4wd safety and badge). But because it is intended for the exact opposite crowd, he mentions how great it grips and how safe it is, but he also points the viewer to the much more fun to drive cayman gt4
I don't get the point... you are sitting in a C4 GTS and you are complaining that it is not nimble enough? Why not a normal Carrera GTS? It is lighter and doesn't have 4 wheel drive - which makes it automatically more nimble and tend to oversteer a bit. Further - really Cayman GT4??? You know, that this might be one of the rarest new [and not super expensive] cars on the world for the moment? Porsche might build about 1200 worldwide and it is pretty much since it was officially released [few hours after that] sold out. Next stop is the Spyder. I am sure, that this is also not built in big numbers... Further - cars are not only there for driving fun. A 911 is more practical with the rear seats [or at least the space behind the seats, if you opt out the seats]. It is also a status symbol. The thing is: who needs a Turbo S [or even a Turbo] - the normal Carrera S or GTS is a fantastic package. But it is like always, that you wanna show, that you have the better car, right?
Dominik MJ Well they right top x lists and copy and paste other articles from other websites. Not much there to begin with. The regular C4S beat a multitude of cars in Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car. Wouldn't quite take their opinion seriously at all.
Lone Heaven The review cars - they cannot be biased? Are you kidding me? In which universe are you living? Why don't I see a coherence? The problem is, that they are suggesting the GT4 - which is literally out of the picture. You could suggest as well to put fairy dust above an 911. If they would be take their review seriously, they would know, that the GT4 is long time no more available! The second thing is the choice of their car. It is a bit like driving a Bentley and say, that it is not agile enough. A Carrera 4 is rock solid. It is far more stable and save on the road - this makes it a great choice in countries, which have a good share of rainy and snowy weather and people who would like to drive it year around. It is not the review itself - it is the verdict, which is rather pointless, which ticks me off... A reviewer needs to have the ability to understand the nature of cars, and which cars to compare - and off course as well the market, they are in.
Dominik MJ It is about driver style and technique. Porsche used to be about light weight cars that you could throw around and then at some point they lost their way. And now they are starting to get back to that. He (reviewer) is not saying that he hates or thinks this car is not good. He is saying that this car is really competing against other Porsche cars. This is how far Porsche is ahead of everybody else.
bighands69 I do understand. However you have to compare [and choose] apples with apples and not with oranges. Let's face it: the "consumer advice" to buy a Cayman GT4 cannot be worse. Why? Because if you haven't ordered one already, you will not get one - and let's face it - even if you have ordered one, you shall be lucky to receive one. And then: a Carrera 4 was always less tail happy and much more solid, but also heavier [like all 4WD cars]. This is as he would make a truck review, and say, that you should rather buy a limousine - it doesn't make sense [this is off course a exaggeration - but still seems analog]. The Carrera 4 GTS is a car meant as daily driver for a sporty driver, who is living in a country with a couple of month really bad weather. You won't be very happy with a GT3 - or even GT4 in rain and snow!
actually... 911 is for everyone to have fun! but something like 718 is for a car lover who enjoys changing gears & do some clutch techniques (most of car lovers I think!) & use rear wheels to drive! you know what I'm saying...
im from germany. porsche website says cayman gt4 costs at least 85.776€. even second hand its ridiculously expensive. so how can i get a cayman gt4? (hey, you can still dream, right/ this comment isnt too serious)
What you said at the end there is exactly why I'm not really interested in buying these new cars.....you need that checky'ness to improve your driving skill level, test you a little in a way. Its no wonder good drivers are getting harder and harder to find.
Great review! Shame the C4 GTS didn't do it for you. I reckon though that a Carrera GTS might have been a bit more lively when pushed hard. The cayman gt4 will be a mighty machine for the lucky few who get to own them. It's interesting that 911s today have a unique place in the market - a good portion of their fan base won't swap to a cayman/boxter, even knowing full well they're better sports cars... Or to put it the other way around, buyers will keep buying 911s despite the harder cayman/boxter models having become better handling sports cars. They're just not 911s and there's something very special about 911s. Their owners know it.
cheapo911 The Carrera 4 GTS is a mid level Porsche it is not their top of the range like the a Turbo S or 911 GT3 RS. There are two types of Porsche driver. show offs and sports drivers.
***** cayman gts is sweet but i bet you could get a gt4 you might have to wait a year though but im shure its well worth it it only 110 us dolar fully loaded
Christian Roche Nobody is getting a GT4 for 110k.. All dealers are charging way more, and anyone who got a GT4 would only sell it to make a huge profit. Even in a year I doubt you'd get one for 110k
I completely respect this review for not bowing down to the 911 gods and clearly stating that Cayman is a more entertaining street ride. You would need a very serious race track and a very talented driver to ever get anywhere near this car's limits. It feels a bit like a bazooka at a fist fight. Other than a "mine is bigger than yours" contest, I just don't get the 911 obsession
I bet he was late braking and turning at the same time/giving the wheel too much lock/going in hot. The rears are suppose to be hotter than the fronts. Especially on a MR/RR car.
It's too good. :) First time I've heard a reviewer say that about any car. But I get what he's saying. Just need to decide if you want the ultimate grip/handling or the ability to let the back end swing out "enough". :) Most usually aim for "grip". Now there's "too much" in a C4? :) Buy one of each? Get a standard C2 GTS as well. :) I think the Turbo and GT3 cars are overkill for street driving. A waste of money. Unless you have access to a track every weekend and the time.
Production of this video is awesome. Comparing this car to the gt4 is silly. A better comparison would be the cayman gts v cayman gt4. Or this carrera 4 gts cabriolet to the targa 4 gts. Any way great effort none the less.
Ramy Warda GTS has a 7-speed standard. Next year they are saying there will be one model with a normally-aspirated flat 6 engine and manual, and narrower tires (for "more emotional" handling) that is not a GT3. All the Carrera 2 and 4 and S models will have smaller flat 6's with turbos that will give both more power and better fuel economy. Also a rumor (just a rumor now) that there will be no manual trannies on those models., nor on the GT3, RS, Turbo or Turbo S which are all going to continue with PDK only.
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GUYS! My bad...I've clearly got MX-5s on the brain which is why I tried to draw parallels between it and this ALL-wheel drive Porsche in the intro. I still maintain that it's pretty much exactly like the MX-5, though ;)
LOL Alex said at 0:38 it was RWD then at 1:16 he said it was four wheel drive. Bruh
Yeah I noticed that too.
Talon276 Yeah that caught me off guard, but I guess that he meant that its rear wheel biased. So a "rear-wheeled" drive car that won't kill you
Talon276 Yes RWD and Carrera 4 doesn't match
At 0:35 he talks about the the _"Porsche 911 Carrera GTS",_ which is actually RWD.
Well, he had to somehow shoehorn in the MX-5…
Talon276 well, it changed.
I get that a Cayman GT4 is likely to be more fun. But saying that a car like the GTS isn't fun just sounds like balls to me. And since when was it a problem for a car to be 'too capable' or 'too good'. Come on man, spoiled-in-line-of-work much? I wish my car was too good!
0:39 RWD
1:17 4WD
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Matthias Schmitt My MX-5 (Phil) has brainwashed me into thinking that every awesome car MUST be RWD. My bad, guys, I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me and Phil ;)
Alex Kersten weeeeell, I guess I can forgive you this time, but it better not happen again, m8!
Keep up the good work, I totaly agree with you about the 911 (although I obviously haven't driven it). It's the same problem as with most other new cars. They're too big, too heavy, and they detach you way to much from the road and the driving experience just for a little bit more comfort
Alex Kersten Seems like you should have driven the Carrera GTS, not the 4 GTS, Seems like porsche's 4wd is too good for it's own good.
You mean, for a GTR to be nearly as good as a 911 ;)
Lol no...
Che1seabluesdrogba11 lol you DANK!?!?!?!?!?
Che1seabluesdrogba11 look at the interiour^^ or the warning light flashing after going around a track for more than 2 laps.
IIproductionsII apart from the GTR´s fake Nordschleife laptimes ^^
gtr looks like a toyota celica lmao
That GT4 just seems absurd on paper. Almost as exciting as when the GT-R was announced. Perhaps today's version of perfection. Great review!
Engineering Explained sadly they are going to build like 4 per day for a year or so :/
+vivalaphill My dad was lucky enough to pick one up and I must say, its just as good on the road as it is on paper!
2:13 "This are some of the best roads i ever been on" ... 2:30 slaloms in between potholes
Because those were two different roads?
It's all about the shape and the traction...I've driven alot of these cars including Cayman S and pretty much all the 991s including GT3 and Turbo...And the rwd GTS with manual I had for a review this march, was the best of all...True driver's car
Opening line: "This is the Porsche 911 Carrera GTS, it's red, rear wheel drive..." - Erm no it's not it's a Carrera 4 GTS and it's four wheel drive!!!
Then at 01:18 says it has "four wheel drive"!!!
Also mentions "it's the half way house between the Carrera S and the GT3". With "loads and loads of grip, more grip than the Carrera S" - No shit, it has four wheel drive remember.
Too much contradiction, ruins the video. Get your facts right.
I think why you didn't fall in love with it was because of the extra weight and loss of rigidity from being a cabrio and also that its a PDK not a manual. Looking at a C4 GTS manual coupe that's for sale right now. Now all I need is the money!! Also, too much grip can be solved by getting the 2WD GTS. The problem with the GT4 is that the gearing is way too tall for street driving. Plus, its now sold out, its not a 911 (iconic+rear engine), and the 911's rear seats are quite useful for storage/ kids riding in the back.
The PDK is much better than the a shitty manual transmission and I don't he was complaining about the grip
As an American, I have to say that i absolutely love how every British auto review comes off sounding like an epic romance novel. The passion is unmistakable and unmatched. So thank you.
the music and editing here is perfect imo. awesome review
I have to say that the production quality of these reviews is top-notch. You guys are doing a great job. Definitely keep it up. 👍
Awesome review guys!
Thank god you guys are here, helping me cope with the tragic loss of top gear, only wish you had a thousand more videos! Keep it up!
Your comparison to the GT4 makes no sense at all. Not only is it a limited production car, but it's simply not as usable as a Carrera/S/GTS on a daily basis. The cars have very different purposes. Few would ever cross shop any type of luxurious Carrera with the super hardcore GT4, and that's why Porsche decided to make the GT4 in the first place. If you're going to make a nonsensical claim in the first place (IE Porsche made the 911 better than its predecessor and now it's 'too' good) at least back it up with something halfway decent.
Just saying.
Thanks for posting the video. You look like you were having a ball driving the car which begs me to ask why the title? That C4 GTS Cab is not a track car but rather a GT convertible with all wheel drive car and PDK that can be driven on a track as well as for every day driving. The GT4 is a purpose built track weapon that can be driven on the road. The C4 GTS Cab is bigger in every sense than a GT4 and it's also heavier due to the soft top, all wheel drive and PDK. The better comparison would be a manual 911 GTS 2 wheel drive coupe which is lighter, stiffer quicker and better handling than the C4 GTS you drove. Another thing to consider about the C4 GTS cab and the C2 GTS is both can be easily found and should have a lower cost than the GT4. Dealers in the US are charging above list for new and used GT4s due to demand, low production and allocation.
Lastly, if you had to pick a daily driver would you really pick the GT4 verses the C4 GTS Cab? That rag top can be driven all year long. It has a back seat that gives you additional storage or a seat for youngsters. It has a better ride for daily commutes and highway trips. You can still take it to the track and put it in sport mode when you have an open road. AND you don't have to worry about grounding your front every time you go up a driveway or hit a speed bump.
I am surprised that you didn't just comment on the C4 GTS Cab and compare it to a car in its class like an Aston. The fact that you would compare it to a GT4 is more of a complement than a "Why I Can't Love it" video. I don't believe you understand or appreciate the subtleties of the car you were driving.
Car throttle is getting more and more professional with every video! loving it!
That was really done in the TopGear style :)
Definitely not a bad thing tho :)
I would get the RWD one. Give me that and ooh I'd be sold.
Those germans were able to build a car which is too good? I am not even mad that's amazing.
German engineering, too good to be good - Alex 2015
I think it feels like driving a Veyron in the city but instead of being too powerful this thing handles too well to get to the limit and isnt engaging enough.
vivalaphill
British car engineering used to be as good as German with the pincle of the British car being the E-type Jaguar. In that it was cheap for its performance and it had a hell of a lot of performance.
bighands69 right but the E type was engineered a long time ago.
vivalaphill
The 60s was the peak of British Motoring. There are a few niche British cars such as Mclaren that produce cars that can compete with the Germans today.
British SUV's are also top notch in terms of performance but reliability has been their issue.
There is a lot of British auto engineering that if it was more closely integrated today it would produce cars near to that of the Germans.
Once the Germans got it right they never looked back.
The British car industry was plagued by politics. The unions/communists more or less destroyed the industry.
The reason I am so passionate about it is my father used to work in the British car industry before it was destroyed by political nuclear weapons.
Chuck Norris I'm sure Chuck can build a better one??
best editing ive ever seen on a car review
That intro though.
So Alex, basically it's wrong for all the right reasons? I'm interested to see how this compares against it's new little brothers the Cayman GTS and GT4
Jozo You and me both!
Jozo same reasons as the GTR. Not very rewarding to drive, if this was 2 wheels drive then this would be another story.
+Jozo The GT4 is most certainly NOT a little brother. It is essentially a mid engined GT3.
The thing is that a Cayman will always be a Cayman and a 911 will always be a 911. Personally, I feel that the Cayman is for a person that's begging to have a Porsche but can't afford a one that's worth it so he just settles for a lower model.
I've driven the Carrera S, Turbo, and Turbo S so there is no way I'll go and drive a Cayman. It's like telling me to go travel on an economy journey after I've experienced the wonders of travelling on First/business class.
Again, I'm not degrading people who want to have a Cayman. However, the way I see it is either you get yourself a Porsche that's worth it (911) or either you choose a cheap alternative (Cayman) and I hate cheap but that's just me :)
***** Uh huh.
If you take traction control off, this car turns into a go cart that slides nicely and will put lots of smiles on your face from ear to ear.
Well the best thing about both the c4 gts and the caymen gt4 is that they still come in manual , if your looking for real fun and safety at the same time get yourself a manual porsche , i own a 997 c4s and its crazy when i want it to shake its tale and stuck to the road in a drag race ...cant wait to get the c4 gts in manual
The video quality here is immaculate. Where do I pay for this?
I totally agree with his verdict- I've the driven the newest Carrera 4s. It is amazing, but you never feel as if you're out of control- it simply gets boring, even at high speeds!
You said your NOT a racing driver?!?!? 3:17
My whole life has been a lie
Alex should become the new Jeremy Clarkson
*is becoming
Harrison Swatland No. Just no.
Rather Chris Harris
Marcel K
Neither of them are suitable. They need a new set up that could include both of them.
The Stig
Great production as always
the thing about the cayman gt4 is that it's a track car and I know of a lot of Porsche owners who like them for their luxury and reliability in comparison to other supercars. it is lighter but with just a little more, you can get enough horsepower to offset that, also the cayman's only competitor in the Porsche family is probably the 911 Carrera with their similar performances. the only way I personally think it's better is because of its supposedly better handling and its simple 6-speed manual which is said by jalopnik "saving the manual".
I love the soundtrack used in this review! And the review itself too of course.
You should probably wait to try the GT4 on British roads before you claim it's better...
Hello guys! I really like your car videos, it reminds me a lot of top gear style. Keep up the good work.
Car enthusiast from Sweden
Awesome review! Road looked like a dream to drive on until I noticed all the bumps and pot holes. Btw must know the name of the song!
what is the soundtrack ,looks like NASCAR rain Racing +Carthrottle
So basically, you can't love it because it's too good ? You seems to have a blast in it tho, so in fact you love it. And it's normal !
Alex, and the rest of the team! I have an amazing idea! You should have a week (go for the full fat 7 days) of uploading let's say 3 videos a day.. That's would be awesome! :)
Could have had better music in my opinion, but love that car. Also you called it RWD earlier and then AWD later?
Abdulaziz Shanti Better music? You mad, bro?!
Alex Kersten love this video it is mind blowing love porsche and can you please tell music name?
editing: great commentary: great showing the fails just like top gear
the only thing thats missing is 2 other guys who are funny to
otherwise it would be the replacement even though i miss top gear
keep up the good work
and alex you are great :)
Just when you thought cinematography couldn't get any better ;)
SpottyKid Ethan will be pleased to see this!
I understand you Alex! My 2010 jetta's brakes apply the moment I get sideways the slightest bit
Seriously, give us this song. I'm subbed to both Car Throttle and Tom Kent, can't find it anywhere on either one of the channels. Fits this video so good.
so you found it yet?
No :( I asked on Tom Kent's official website. Total ignore.
So rude.
ScoopzyDaizy probably a never released track, tried shazam and others with no result.
i understand your comments true the Carrera 4 GTS is like "flying with a safety net ",
then I suggest instead if you want the "rush /feel of driving without - you'd be more content with the GTS 'two wheel drive " , in manual ....
Great video, love that you light up both sides of the car.
I'm sick of people giving four wheel drive credit in cornering. If you're at the cornering limit, off the throttle and barely able to keep it on the track, the amount of wheels added power is applied is irrelevant. In fact having the extra weight up front to support the added front wheel drive negatively effects it. Applying power earlier out of very tight corners I can understand but AWD does not mean better handling directly. Also counter steering out of a corner due to mild or excessive wheelspin is what makes driving at the limit most rewarding.
Its basically raining in all car throttle videos
ARVID ÖRBERG Yeah man, welcome to England's south coast
Yeah i'm love it because Rain it's time to RACING.
This has been a common them ever since the 1997 model was released, it doesn't necessarily have the most technology (it has a lot, but it's so well done) but Porsche made the 911s just too damn stable, drive-able, and liquid fast. Compared to a Viper or even a Ferrari the 911 is a better and faster car (depending on the model of course) for 99% of the drivers in the world.
I get what old Porsche enthusiasts were and are saying, like Alex is, that they want a car that occasionally scares them or gets squirly, and that's great for the track, and abandoned roads, etc, with someone who KNOWS how to drive and recover. But if you want a car that is going to be fast, smooth, safe ALL the time, no matter how bad the roads are, rain or shine, you can not beat a Porsche as a super fast, livable daily driver. If you want a 911 to go slideways in, get a GT3, GT2, Cayman GT4. Maybe Porsche will put the option to turn the AWD off in some of their top end turbo/turbo S variants (on all models including the Cayenne, Macan), that would be a nice option.
Or buy some of the skinniest low grip rear tires you can get and slap em on.
The cayman shares the same engine but makes "only" 385hp, 420Nm
While the original engine from the 911 carrera s makes 400hp, 440Nm and the carrera 4 gts you have driven makes 430hp, 440Nm
Ps: just a little notice. I don't now the weight but the Cayman is clearly the lightest.
The question tho is if it is light enough to take the carrera s or even the 4 gts.
In my opinion he is going to be better than the carrera s but that's it.
But if you want a Porsche the Cayman gt4 is the one to take because it just has the best price-performance-fun package
My mother just bought an optioned out 991 c4s. Saying the 911 doesn't drive like a Porsche, lol. This review was junk, if you are interested in buying one please disregard this review. This review is targeted at euro econo-box owners.
Robert Flagg Your mum should have bought the Cayman.
Alex Kersten Im sorry if i offended you Alex(not my intention, i am a fan of yours and wish you well) but i felt this review was lacking important points. I think your conclusion that your primary fan base would be better off buying a cayman is correct. With the 911 you get more comfort, speed, the 911 badge and shape, AWD (safer in winter), and a more refined interior, my mother is in her 50's now and would appreciate the benefits of the points i listed. Im looking at spending about $100,000 on a car next summer and the best performance for money are tuned 997 turbos or supercharged vetts? +1 for your NA MX5 i auto x mine and its super fun.
Robert Flagg if this review was intended for the econo-box owners as you said, he would say that it's the best car for exactly the same reasons you mentioned (comfort, interior, 4wd safety and badge). But because it is intended for the exact opposite crowd, he mentions how great it grips and how safe it is, but he also points the viewer to the much more fun to drive cayman gt4
+Robert Flagg Beats the review to pulp, the reviewer shows up, the dude pussies the fuck out. Classic
Poor kid watches a review on a car he will never be able to afford leaves a negative comment.
I saw you missed that apex, I'm disappointed Alex.
Racing line, bro!
ChadChinchilla public road, bro!
Makhmed Mujahid A missed apex is a missed opportunity my friend.
ChadChinchilla *A missed head on collision*.
Makhmed Mujahid You realize this is a joke from another one of his 2 guys 1 car videos, right?
I don't get the point... you are sitting in a C4 GTS and you are complaining that it is not nimble enough? Why not a normal Carrera GTS? It is lighter and doesn't have 4 wheel drive - which makes it automatically more nimble and tend to oversteer a bit.
Further - really Cayman GT4???
You know, that this might be one of the rarest new [and not super expensive] cars on the world for the moment? Porsche might build about 1200 worldwide and it is pretty much since it was officially released [few hours after that] sold out.
Next stop is the Spyder. I am sure, that this is also not built in big numbers...
Further - cars are not only there for driving fun. A 911 is more practical with the rear seats [or at least the space behind the seats, if you opt out the seats]. It is also a status symbol. The thing is: who needs a Turbo S [or even a Turbo] - the normal Carrera S or GTS is a fantastic package. But it is like always, that you wanna show, that you have the better car, right?
They review cars. They can't be bias. Everyone have their own opinions so just respect their opinions jeez.
Dominik MJ Well they right top x lists and copy and paste other articles from other websites. Not much there to begin with. The regular C4S beat a multitude of cars in Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car. Wouldn't quite take their opinion seriously at all.
Lone Heaven The review cars - they cannot be biased? Are you kidding me? In which universe are you living? Why don't I see a coherence?
The problem is, that they are suggesting the GT4 - which is literally out of the picture. You could suggest as well to put fairy dust above an 911. If they would be take their review seriously, they would know, that the GT4 is long time no more available!
The second thing is the choice of their car. It is a bit like driving a Bentley and say, that it is not agile enough. A Carrera 4 is rock solid. It is far more stable and save on the road - this makes it a great choice in countries, which have a good share of rainy and snowy weather and people who would like to drive it year around. It is not the review itself - it is the verdict, which is rather pointless, which ticks me off...
A reviewer needs to have the ability to understand the nature of cars, and which cars to compare - and off course as well the market, they are in.
Dominik MJ
It is about driver style and technique.
Porsche used to be about light weight cars that you could throw around and then at some point they lost their way.
And now they are starting to get back to that.
He (reviewer) is not saying that he hates or thinks this car is not good. He is saying that this car is really competing against other Porsche cars. This is how far Porsche is ahead of everybody else.
bighands69 I do understand. However you have to compare [and choose] apples with apples and not with oranges.
Let's face it: the "consumer advice" to buy a Cayman GT4 cannot be worse. Why? Because if you haven't ordered one already, you will not get one - and let's face it - even if you have ordered one, you shall be lucky to receive one.
And then: a Carrera 4 was always less tail happy and much more solid, but also heavier [like all 4WD cars]. This is as he would make a truck review, and say, that you should rather buy a limousine - it doesn't make sense [this is off course a exaggeration - but still seems analog].
The Carrera 4 GTS is a car meant as daily driver for a sporty driver, who is living in a country with a couple of month really bad weather. You won't be very happy with a GT3 - or even GT4 in rain and snow!
actually... 911 is for everyone to have fun! but something like 718 is for a car lover who enjoys changing gears & do some clutch techniques (most of car lovers I think!) & use rear wheels to drive! you know what I'm saying...
Ask Tom Kent where can I get the song.
TWill16 Same here, I can't find it anywhere !
Ahmed Sabra I know man. I keep watching the vid just for the song. TomKent I'll pay you to have this track!
TWill16 Thumbs up for this, "seen" this review many times now.
im from germany. porsche website says cayman gt4 costs at least 85.776€. even second hand its ridiculously expensive. so how can i get a cayman gt4? (hey, you can still dream, right/ this comment isnt too serious)
Akaji Blubb You can't. There aren't any second hand GT4s available either. Dealers don't even know if they are getting one.
Hear That? It will be back in 2016, though the production run is going to be questionable. 2500 was clearly not enough this year.
What you said at the end there is exactly why I'm not really interested in buying these new cars.....you need that checky'ness to improve your driving skill level, test you a little in a way. Its no wonder good drivers are getting harder and harder to find.
That's Beachy Head, East Sussex - Great roads rounds there, however they are rather bumpy in places!
Great review! Shame the C4 GTS didn't do it for you. I reckon though that a Carrera GTS might have been a bit more lively when pushed hard. The cayman gt4 will be a mighty machine for the lucky few who get to own them.
It's interesting that 911s today have a unique place in the market - a good portion of their fan base won't swap to a cayman/boxter, even knowing full well they're better sports cars... Or to put it the other way around, buyers will keep buying 911s despite the harder cayman/boxter models having become better handling sports cars. They're just not 911s and there's something very special about 911s. Their owners know it.
The music is fantastic in this video!
Can't wait for the Aston vid
Amazing videography... Excellent review. I do believe the cayman gt4 is sold out mate
I grew up 5mins away from this road (Eastbourne). why did I move away!?!
5:10 that sound... 😍
Such a perfect car because it's offered in the 7 speed manual gearbox! Shame the GT3/Turbo (S) don't offer this option.
+A226044 Because Porsche is about going faster. PDK is much faster than a manual.
As others have said, you would rather have a Cayman GT4 but problem is you cant get a GT4, they're all gone.
cheapo911
The Carrera 4 GTS is a mid level Porsche it is not their top of the range like the a Turbo S or 911 GT3 RS.
There are two types of Porsche driver. show offs and sports drivers.
***** cayman gts is sweet but i bet you could get a gt4 you might have to wait a year though but im shure its well worth it it only 110 us dolar fully loaded
Christian Roche Nobody is getting a GT4 for 110k.. All dealers are charging way more, and anyone who got a GT4 would only sell it to make a huge profit.
Even in a year I doubt you'd get one for 110k
I want this music!!
found it yet?
3:17 Alex we have multiple pieces of evidence where you have clearly stated that you're pretty much a racing driver.
It's not fully manual so your miata is better!
I completely respect this review for not bowing down to the 911 gods and clearly stating that Cayman is a more entertaining street ride. You would need a very serious race track and a very talented driver to ever get anywhere near this car's limits. It feels a bit like a bazooka at a fist fight. Other than a "mine is bigger than yours" contest, I just don't get the 911 obsession
Those roads are beautiful, whereabouts are they?
Eastbourne/ Beachy Head
East Sussex
England
why would the front end wash wide with an engine in the back? think you got it the wrong way round lol
exactly
Because there's no weight over the front wheels so it gets no grip in theory
Fr3akGamers That's with old 911s, the 991's engine is closer to the center so it doesn't really experience that unless you over do it.
Are you guys going to do a GT4 review?
hi car throttle, I luv ur vids and i'm a 911 fan, can you do a review on a 993 Carrera or a air cooled 911
You say it's rear wheel drive right after we saw the "4" badge on the back ^^
Where abouts are these roads? They look amazing!
Doesn't the ''4'' stand for four wheel drive? see 0:39
traxxas7797 yes it does.
He just made a mistake ;)
traxxas7797 I always thought it meant 4 seater O.o
Answer: It isn't Japanese so you'll never admit how good it is
I like Car Throttle.
Have you tried turning PSM off?
00:37 "its red, rear wheel drive..." 1:16 "and because we have 4wd that also means we got a lot of grip"
Are those an own Alex's 911 Targa
Good advice....but its going to be VERY difficult getting your hands on a Cayman GT4 if the production rumors are true.
I bet he was late braking and turning at the same time/giving the wheel too much lock/going in hot. The rears are suppose to be hotter than the fronts. Especially on a MR/RR car.
Back for the song(and alex) once again, mailed Tom Kent but get no answer! I NEED THIS SONG!
E-fucking-xactly :D
so you found it?
Nope... sucks ass :/
NEED THIS SONG NOW!
Can someone help me- what's the difference between the standard Carrera GTS and the Carrera 4 GTS?
+Alex Manolopoulos 4wd
pilotobajista thanks
The production value on this review...? Big up the folk behind the scenes....
0.47 song name pllllllls!!!!!!!!!!!
Good review 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
what song/background music is this
you found it?
The intro is training for your eye muscles.
0:41 you state it's RWD. Then correct that it's AWD.
I agree with you about the GT4, but those are going to be next to impossible to get.
Where are these roads?
It's too good. :) First time I've heard a reviewer say that about any car. But I get what he's saying. Just need to decide if you want the ultimate grip/handling or the ability to let the back end swing out "enough". :) Most usually aim for "grip". Now there's "too much" in a C4? :)
Buy one of each? Get a standard C2 GTS as well. :)
I think the Turbo and GT3 cars are overkill for street driving. A waste of money. Unless you have access to a track every weekend and the time.
Production of this video is awesome. Comparing this car to the gt4 is silly. A better comparison would be the cayman gts v cayman gt4. Or this carrera 4 gts cabriolet to the targa 4 gts. Any way great effort none the less.
WOW! What a review!
"This is a great tasting apple. But its downside is that on paper, the orange is supposedly more fun to eat."
Does Porsche offer this with a Manual gearbox?
Arya Ahmadi 991's dont come with manual options youd have to clock back to a 997
Ramy Warda That is so utterly wrong.
All 991s except the GT3, Turbo and Turbo S come with a manual gearbox as standard and PDK as option.
Yes it does. It auto rev matches tho which is a shame
Oh woops I assumed because of the gt3
Ramy Warda GTS has a 7-speed standard. Next year they are saying there will be one model with a normally-aspirated flat 6 engine and manual, and narrower tires (for "more emotional" handling) that is not a GT3. All the Carrera 2 and 4 and S models will have smaller flat 6's with turbos that will give both more power and better fuel economy. Also a rumor (just a rumor now) that there will be no manual trannies on those models., nor on the GT3, RS, Turbo or Turbo S which are all going to continue with PDK only.
Cayman point sort of redundant when the GT4 is a 500 unit exclusive that's all sold out the day it was revealed...
If I only have to choose just one Porsche to own. I would pick the 991 Carrera 4S indeed. No regret !!!
Alexs voice is significantly different compared to today lol